Emmerdale - Current Episode Discussion - III

[lizann]

is caleb shot, the flash forward showed him getting cpr in hospital

[Son of Cain]

is caleb shot, the flash forward showed him getting cpr in hospital

If he is he deserves it, if you are going to shoot someone, you should just do it, not stand around talking about it.

[katie hunter]

is caleb shot, the flash forward showed him getting cpr in hospital

I think its Caleb. If it is, I wonder who kills Anthony? Wasn't there only 1 bullet?

[ccahill2]

The good thing is that I have comfort in convincing myself that Caleb will live and Anthony will not even if Caleb flatlines as we saw on the flash forward.

I truly wonder whether Anthony's autopsy will show that he wasn't dying of cancer. He's just a lech.

[Dennis tanner]

I truly wonder whether Anthony's autopsy will show that he wasn't dying of cancer. He's just a lech. I tend to agree

[tammyy2j]

Did Jai ever get any money back or shares of the new business from Caleb or only a job?

[lizann]

Did Jai ever get any money back or shares of the new business from Caleb or only a job?

no just depot manager job

[lizann]

does Joe know dawn was a prostitute as he was quick to throw it at charity, recreating chris and charity with dawn and joe?

[Son of Cain]

does Joe know dawn was a prostitute as he was quick to throw it at charity, recreating chris and charity with dawn and joe?

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[Son of Cain]

I think its Caleb. If it is, I wonder who kills Anthony? Wasn't there only 1 bullet?

No, there was six, he took them out, then pretended to put one back in for the Russian roulette. Then he reloaded with all six.

[lizann]

No, there was six, he took them out, then pretended to put one back in for the Russian roulette. Then he reloaded with all six.

was a bullet in when caleb pointed the gun at cain?

[Dennis tanner]

does Joe know dawn was a prostitute as he was quick to throw it at charity, recreating chris and charity with dawn and joe?

I suspect that Joe has researched everyone

[Son of Cain]

was a bullet in when caleb pointed the gun at cain?

Yes he reloaded after showing Anthony that it had been empty when he fired the last Russian roulette shot.

[Dennis tanner]

So Aaron Livesy beats an old man to death. Well done that thug.

[lizann]

So Aaron Livesy beats an old man to death. Well done that thug.

i think ruby or steph finished him off not aaron

[Dennis tanner]

i think ruby or steph finished him off not aaron

But that's not what we saw.

[Perdita]

So Aaron Livesy beats an old man to death. Well done that thug.

I think he was still alive when Aaron and John left

[johntrevor]

I think he was still alive when Aaron and John left

He was alive when Aaron left him after beating him up. When he came back later with John he felt his pulse and said to Aaron he's dead.
I think it's obvious someone found him in the meantime and finished him off.

[Son of Cain]

I think he was still alive when Aaron and John left

I thought he was still alive when Aaron left but dead when Aaron and John returned.

[johntrevor]

So Aaron Livesy beats an old man to death. Well done that thug.

My idea of a thug is not someone who beats up a pedophile.

[lizann]

laurel will think she killed him and confess, same with aaron but they are probably innocent unless everything contributed to his death, i think steph or ruby ultimately

[Perdita]

laurel will think she killed him and confess, same with aaron but they are probably innocent unless everything contributed to his death, i think steph or ruby ultimately

Laurel clobbering him and Aaron beating the c**p out of him will not have helped but I think they did not actually kill him...

[johntrevor]

I thought he was still alive when Aaron left but dead when Aaron and John returned.

Correct

[Son of Cain]

I think one of those murdering rocks that abound in Emmerdale has grown legs and done the deed.

[Son of Cain]

laurel will think she killed him and confess, same with aaron but they are probably innocent unless everything contributed to his death, i think steph or ruby ultimately

If the tooth is found, and I am sure it will, that will lead to traces of blood being found in the depot. The smell and traces of bleach
will itself be suspicious. Likewise Aaron's clothes, they would need to be soaked in cold water as hot water tends to fix blood stains in material, far better to burn them. From watching true crime and forensic programmes it is almost impossible to remove all traces of blood and dna from a crime scene. Does the depot have not have cctv outside did Jai not use it to scam Ross. That should give the police a list of potential suspects. John seems sure the body will not be found, but of course it will, that's what dog walkers are for. Aaron did not seem to be troubled by feelings of guilt when he tried to kill Cain recently. It is possible that he did die as a result of Aaron's beating, but knowing how they like adding dramatic twists, Doubt it.

Laurel is being silly she only hit him once, so I doubt she be a suspect, though Nicola has not helped by going to the hospital.

My money is still on the rock.

[ccahill2]

I like that it's a Murder on the Orient Express type killing and hope that the police response is similar. This ending is so much better than getting kicked by a horse. I hope.

[ccahill2]

The rock is always the guilty party.

[Snagglepus]

If it was Ruby or someone else they will soon be wondering why the body has not been found.

[lizann]

did we see what john did with the body, was the river black bag flash forward?

[lizann]

even after blackmail, dawn still with joe, pathetic, dawn is a ruined character

[Son of Cain]

Joe says he is tired all the time, but not too tired to jump into bed with Dawn.

[Son of Cain]

did we see what john did with the body, was the river black bag flash forward?

I seem to have missed all these flashback forwards, when were they shown?

[Snagglepus]

Is Joe in need of a body part?

[Dennis tanner]

I think he was still alive when Aaron and John left

I think you may well be correct. We only have 'Sugden's' word that he was dead and he made Livesy leave the scene

[Dennis tanner]

Joe says he is tired all the time, but not too tired to jump into bed with Dawn. Dawn is a professional and would have done all the work

[Son of Cain]

Is Joe in need of a body part?

Not the part that tickles Dawn's fancy.

[ccahill2]

It's sad that Beth Cordingly has to put out on social media how much she loves Nicholas Day and how if we see him in real life to remember that he's not the evil character that he plays. It shows how sick some people could be that they'd want to shout out at or assault an actor for playing a part in bringing an important story to light.

[Dennis tanner]

It's sad that Beth Cordingly has to put out on social media how much she loves Nicholas Day and how if we see him in real life to remember that he's not the evil character that he plays. It shows how sick some people could be that they'd want to shout out at or assault an actor for playing a part in bringing an important story to light.

It is sad, but well done to Ms Cordingly none the less

[ccahill2]

It is sad, but well done to Ms Cordingly none the less

I agree. She's a total class act.

[Son of Cain]

If Bob wanted to avoid seeing Brenda, did it ever occur to him to have coffee at home. He lives in a B&B, possibly even has a coffee machine.

[lizann]

If Bob wanted to avoid seeing Brenda, did it ever occur to him to have coffee at home. He lives in a B&B, possibly even has a coffee machine.

does brenda live there too?

[Dennis tanner]

If Bob wanted to avoid seeing Brenda, did it ever occur to him to have coffee at home. He lives in a B&B, possibly even has a coffee machine.
But that would be far too sensible

[Son of Cain]

How long do they think it will take to dismantle Anthony's car? Working in Cain's garage at night with a closed sign on the door and light shining through the window? Are they going to move the parts in John 's camper van? They will need to take the bed and the sink out first. Where are they taking the parts to? It would have to be a dodgy scrap yard to accept a whole car in bits.

[Son of Cain]

Was Frankie really going to make tea? Does Tracey allow her to drink tea, when caffeine can be harmful to children?

[Perdita]

Was Frankie really going to make tea? Does Tracey allow her to drink tea, when caffeine can be harmful to children?

Maybe she wanted to make a cuppa for her Nana?

[Son of Cain]

Maybe she wanted to make a cuppa for her Nana?

Or maybe it was just lazy contrived device to get Cain to close the garage for a few days?

[Son of Cain]

does brenda live there too?

She does but should not have access to the kitchen.

[Dennis tanner]

How long do they think it will take to dismantle Anthony's car? Working in Cain's garage at night with a closed sign on the door and light shining through the window? Are they going to move the parts in John 's camper van? They will need to take the bed and the sink out first. Where are they taking the parts to? It would have to be a dodgy scrap yard to accept a whole car in bits.

Livesy has a dodgy scrapyard. However it's still very daft.

[Perdita]

Livesy has a dodgy scrapyard. However it's still very daft.

They should watch more soap operas ... then they would know that these things always get found out about...

[lizann]

no one around finds John's behaviour strange

also has John no job with the surgery with doctor Liam

[Son of Cain]

Livesy has a dodgy scrapyard. However it's still very daft.

But he does not have crusher. He takes things apart by hand with a few tools. Are we meant to believe he dismantled and got rid of most of it overnight including the engine?

[katie hunter]

Manpreet must have supersonic hearing if she heard that conversation.

Was the tooth hoovered up or is it still there?

[Son of Cain]

no one around finds John's behaviour strange

also has John no job with the surgery with doctor Liam

When you live in a village with lots of people who behave strangely, I don 't suppose John stands out.

[Dennis tanner]

But he does not have crusher. He takes things apart by hand with a few tools. Are we meant to believe he dismantled and got rid of most of it overnight including the engine?

Yes. We are supposed to believe it

[johntrevor]

Manpreet must have supersonic hearing if she heard that conversation.

Was the tooth hoovered up or is it still there?

I thought it got swept up by Kerry and dumped in the waste bin.

[Perdita]

I thought it got swept up by Kerry and dumped in the waste bin.

Yes, that is what happened. Hopefully nobody needs to search for anything in particular in that bin ;)

[Dennis tanner]

I thought it got swept up by Kerry and dumped in the waste bin.

I thought it was pushed under the shelving

[lizann]

did john lie he was away on a course?

[Son of Cain]

I thought it was pushed under the shelving

If it was tucked up into the vacuum cleaner or put in the bin and never seen again, it would have been a waste of time drawing our attention to it. I am sure it will resurface sometime.

[Dennis tanner]

If it was tucked up into the vacuum cleaner or put in the bin and never seen again, it would have been a waste of time drawing our attention to it. I am sure it will resurface sometime.

Tis true.

[Perdita]

If it was tucked up into the vacuum cleaner or put in the bin and never seen again, it would have been a waste of time drawing our attention to it. I am sure it will resurface sometime.
Apparently not from the bin bag though

[Perdita]

Next week or so will make interesting viewing :ninja:

[ccahill2]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the show is going there but everything seems a bit contrived with the aftermath. I was crying along with Aaron during yesterday's ending of the show. I also love Laurel for having such a conscience, although it's been really annoying listening to her stress. The one good thing was the talk between Ruby and Aaron and even that became annoying. But I did love Bob and Cathy.

[lizann]

ruby telling aaron was good, confessing straight away to him

nice also to see the guilt kerry has for frank

[ccahill2]

I think that what bothered me most about the episode was Aaron turning on Ruby as if her action was about him. I love both characters. They've each lived through hell and found a way to survive. I love that Aaron went to Ruby rather than hurting himself, and I love how she was trying to help him to live in spite of it. But I didn't like the conflict.

I still think that everyone is going to get off, because everyone did something that lead to Anthony's death, just like Murder on the Orient Express. I suspect even more people will be coming forward with things that Anthony have done, with the police saying that these people have suffered enough.

But on soaps, secrets are never kept as secrets and I do believe that eventually Steph will learn the truth, even if she just does an Ancestry.com test or something simple and learns that she's not biologically related to the Dingles an that her DNA is significantly more than 50% Ruby's. I hope that she knows that this doesn't mark her and that she is an innocent in all this. However it won't be easy for Ruby because the nightmare will live on.

[Dennis tanner]

I think that what bothered me most about the episode was Aaron turning on Ruby as if her action was about him. I love both characters. They've each lived through hell and found a way to survive. I love that Aaron went to Ruby rather than hurting himself, and I love how she was trying to help him to live in spite of it. But I didn't like the conflict.

I still think that everyone is going to get off, because everyone did something that lead to Anthony's death, just like Murder on the Orient Express. I suspect even more people will be coming forward with things that Anthony have done, with the police saying that these people have suffered enough.

But on soaps, secrets are never kept as secrets and I do believe that eventually Steph will learn the truth, even if she just does an Ancestry.com test or something simple and learns that she's not biologically related to the Dingles an that her DNA is significantly more than 50% Ruby's. I hope that she knows that this doesn't mark her and that she is an innocent in all this. However it won't be easy for Ruby because the nightmare will live on.

I loath Livesy and I thought that he was awful as normal.

[ccahill2]

I loath Livesy and I thought that he was awful as normal.

Livesy?

[Perdita]

Livesy?

Aaron... his surname was Livesy (his Dad's name) before he became a Dingle

[ccahill2]

The assumption is that Anthony has April, but it's possible that her change in personality was exacerbated because he did something to her beforehand - and may even be the person who gave her the lift.

[Son of Cain]

The assumption is that Anthony has April, but it's possible that her change in personality was exacerbated because he did something to her beforehand - and may even be the person who gave her the lift.

I have seen no evidence to suggest Anthony had April. I cannot ever remember seeing any interaction between them. We do know that Anthony sexually abused Ruby, but I am not sure this means he has ever abused anyone else. I think it possible he never did. There has probably been studies into this but I cannot find any. Abusing children outside of the immediate family must carry a much higher risk of being caught. But then again cases like Rolf Harris where he abused children but not his own daughter, so it must vary with the individual. As to who gave April a lift, i don't think that was Anthony as I believe hhe has a jaguar and that car was a hatchback and looked smaller. I did think if may have been Scott, who is her uncle, but now I am not sure, as surely he would have contacted Marlon.by now, even if April did not want him to.

[lizann]

yes i got the impression anthony only abused ruby and it was once, still a monster unless more is to come out

[ccahill2]

yes i got the impression anthony only abused ruby and it was once

He first raped her when she was 14 and then again on her 16th birthday, when she said 'not again.' I don't know whether were other times, but got the feeling that it was ongoing. But I haven't heard that he raped other young girls. I was just surmising above. I never think of pedophilia as specific to a single person, but I am only trained in the school of crime shows on TV.

[lizann]

He first raped her when she was 14 and then again on her 16th birthday, when she said 'not again.' I don't know whether were other times, but got the feeling that it was ongoing. But I haven't heard that he raped other young girls. I was just surmising above. I never think of pedophilia as specific to a single person, but I am only trained in the school of crime shows on TV.

oh i thought just once, i missed that, if he had done it to others or friends of ruby i assume it would have come out but ruby did not have contact for over 20 years

[Perdita]

He first raped her when she was 14 and then again on her 16th birthday, when she said 'not again.' I don't know whether were other times, but got the feeling that it was ongoing. But I haven't heard that he raped other young girls. I was just surmising above. I never think of pedophilia as specific to a single person, but I am only trained in the school of crime shows on TV.

He raped her regularly, whether other girls were targeted we will probably find out once this whole story comes out in every detail, which it will with most of the villageers knowing but the main family members trying to keep it a secret...

[Dennis tanner]

He first raped her when she was 14 and then again on her 16th birthday, when she said 'not again.' I don't know whether were other times, but got the feeling that it was ongoing. But I haven't heard that he raped other young girls. I was just surmising above. I never think of pedophilia as specific to a single person, but I am only trained in the school of crime shows on TV.

I believe this to be correct.

[lizann]

cain just casually walks into the cop shop to say he saw anthony in the village and that is that

[Son of Cain]

cain just casually walks into the cop shop to say he saw anthony in the village and that is that

Why would Cain go to the the Police Station and draw attention to himself, instead of waiting to see if they came back to him about the noise in the garage. With all his dealings with them, surely he would know better?
I really do not think Manpreet would go straight to the police about noise in the garage. Maybe if it was every night for a week. Surely she would have sought out Cain first and complained directly to him. They are writing this to suit where they want the story to go, regardless of reality.

[johntrevor]

Why would Cain go to the the Police Station and draw attention to himself, instead of waiting to see if they came back to him about the noise in the garage. With all his dealings with them, surely he would know better?
I really do not think Manpreet would go straight to the police about noise in the garage. Maybe if it was every night for a week. Surely she would have sought out Cain first and complained directly to him. They are writing this to suit where they want the story to go, regardless of reality.

Totally agree.

[lizann]

so april left as pregnant, looked clean and had a charged phone for street living, letdown overall, timeline for this is all over the place

[Son of Cain]

so april left as pregnant, looked clean and had a charged phone for street living, letdown overall, timeline for this is all over the place

Was tonight's episode meant to be PC Swirling relating April''s story to Rhona and Marlon?

I am wondering if they have rewritten the script, and making April pregnant was an after thought.
If April knew she was pregnant would she have been drinking so much, even if she did not want to keep the baby. April has had a fairly sheltered upbringing but even she cannot have been so niave as to the dangers of being a teenage runaway sleeping rough. With TV and social media it is almost impossible to be so niave nowadays.
The opening scene of her getting into the car did not ring true. The car stopped even though April was not hitching, then she got into the back seat without asking where it was going. Are we meant to take it that April ran away because she was pregnant or because Marlon was a "liar"? Good idea for a story, but poorly written.

[hward]

How far along was she meant to be?

[ccahill2]

I'm confused too. We were led to believe that her anger was for Marlon not being open about her mother, and her belief that her mother chose death over her. Now she's in her 4th month, assuming that's right because the baby's kicking. So she had to know, but as you said, she was drinking pretty heavily while pregnant. Hopefully we'll learn more tomorrow.

It looked like her hot chocolate was stolen today and not her wallet, so I think she has a lot of story to go before Foy finds her.

[lizann]

why was the stabbed girl with april's purse and id taken to hotten not leeds

[lizann]

I'm confused too. We were led to believe that her anger was for Marlon not being open about her mother, and her belief that her mother chose death over her. Now she's in her 4th month, assuming that's right because the baby's kicking. So she had to know, but as you said, she was drinking pretty heavily while pregnant. Hopefully we'll learn more tomorrow.

It looked like her hot chocolate was stolen today and not her wallet, so I think she has a lot of story to go before Foy finds her.

did manpreet have april on the pill, as marlon found in her room?

[Dennis tanner]

why was the stabbed girl with april's purse and id taken to hotten not leeds

I assume that the stabber stole the purse and was then stabbed herself in Hotton

[lizann]

I assume that the stabber stole the purse and was then stabbed herself in Hotton

was it not the friend, squat room mate robyn girl, artful dodger

[Son of Cain]

Now the question arises "Who is the Daddy?" Was it one of April's new friends that we have never seen?

[lizann]

was april pregnant before finding out about donna so, she left a loving supportive home for about a month

[Son of Cain]

was april pregnant before finding out about donna so, she left a loving supportive home for about a month

I am convinced they are making this up as they go along.

[lizann]

Now the question arises "Who is the Daddy?" Was it one of April's new friends that we have never seen?

did anthony strike again?

[Son of Cain]

did anthony strike again?

I seriously doubt it. If he did as far as I am concerned that will be lazy writing.

[lizann]

did arthur or cathy know about pregnant april and where is evan now as dawn jealous of gabby after joe

[hward]

I'm confused too. We were led to believe that her anger was for Marlon not being open about her mother, and her belief that her mother chose death over her. Now she's in her 4th month, assuming that's right because the baby's kicking. So she had to know, but as you said, she was drinking pretty heavily while pregnant. Hopefully we'll learn more tomorrow.

It looked like her hot chocolate was stolen today and not her wallet, so I think she has a lot of story to go before Foy finds her.

Drinking to try and lose the baby? Think Amy did something similar if I remember right?

[Dennis tanner]

did anthony strike again?

Or was it that Tom King ?

[ccahill2]

did anthony strike again?

It could be the only way to get Steph to know the truth without putting her own paternity issue in question.

[Son of Cain]

It could be the only way to get Steph to know the truth without putting her own paternity issue in question.

I think by making April pregnant it makes it easier for her to return home. Being pregnant tops the hateful things she said to Marlon, so this allows her to return without having to address her accusations in as much detail. The pregnancy will push everything else into the background at least initially, because he loves her he will more concerned about her recovery and how she got herself into this situation in the first place.

[lizann]

so april left as leo takes up too much attention, they always seem close siblings, got on well

good bonding scenes with aaron and ruby, i admire that she don't want to be a victim

[Dennis tanner]

So how did that girl get stabbed in the centre of Leeds and finish up in Hotten A&E

[ccahill2]

I want to buy Ruby's dress! I wish I knew of a site that identified where I could purchase it.

[lizann]

So how did that girl get stabbed in the centre of Leeds and finish up in Hotten A&E

yes I'd like to know too

[Son of Cain]

So how did that girl get stabbed in the centre of Leeds and finish up in Hotten A&E

Which hospital is April in, is she in Leeds? Did they say she ran away to Leeds or Hotten?

[lizann]

Which hospital is April in, is she in Leeds? Did they say she ran away to Leeds or Hotten?

is it big city Leeds, Jacob was in Hotten working

[Perdita]

is it big city Leeds, Jacob was in Hotten working

In Emmerdale, Otley is the fictional market town of Hotten which is where filming takes place regularly. Otley to Leeds is 10.2 miles ...

[Son of Cain]

In Emmerdale, Otley is the fictional market town of Hotten which is where filming takes place regularly. Otley to Leeds is 10.2 miles ...

Did they defiantly say April was in Leeds or was she in Hotten all this time? I do not remember them saying it was Leeds or maybe I just missed this. How far is Emmerdale from Leeds?

[lizann]

Did they defiantly say April was in Leeds or was she in Hotten all this time? I do not remember them saying it was Leeds or maybe I just missed this. How far is Emmerdale from Leeds?

were they not looking in the city of Leeds for her, was that mentioned or is Hotten the city

[Son of Cain]

were they not looking in the city of Leeds for her, was that mentioned or is Hotten the city

I always thought Hotten was a fictional name for Leeds. So I am not sure where April was and if it was not for the question about the hospital, it would not matter.

[lizann]

maybe just me but i think emmerdale village hotten town and Leeds city

[Perdita]

Did they defiantly say April was in Leeds or was she in Hotten all this time? I do not remember them saying it was Leeds or maybe I just missed this. How far is Emmerdale from Leeds?

They were looking for her in Leeds and found her in Leeds... Hotten General does not seem too far away ..

[Son of Cain]

They were looking for her in Leeds and found her in Leeds... Hotten General does not seem too far away ..

There are seven hospitals in Leeds, so if she was found in Leeds, as others have said why take her to Hotten, there must have been one nearer in Leeds.

[Dennis tanner]

Which hospital is April in, is she in Leeds? Did they say she ran away to Leeds or Hotten?

The pictures we saw were of Leeds

[Perdita]

Does it really matter for a soap opera storyline?

[Dennis tanner]

Does it really matter for a soap opera storyline?
It's something I need to know . It keeps me awake at night.

[lizann]

low of dawn to lie about her kids

[Son of Cain]

Is Joe planning to murder Noah?

[Son of Cain]

Was David the dog in the house, during the fire?

[lizann]

Was David the dog in the house, during the fire?

in corrie, it was said he was at nicks

[lizann]

Is Joe planning to murder Noah?

i do think joe needs an organ from noah, even maybe a heart

[Dennis tanner]

low of dawn to lie about her kids

Kim, "Did you enjoy playing with my laptop Clammy ? "

[Dennis tanner]

Is Joe planning to murder Noah?

That'll be a job for the surgeon

[tammyy2j]

I want Charity to tell Kim about Joe and Dawn

[Perdita]

I want Charity to tell Kim about Joe and Dawn

Sure Kim knows from when she bugged Joe's room??

[lizann]

Sure Kim knows from when she bugged Joe's room??

did kim listen and hear them, it was gone when kim got back from dawn, I don't think she knows yet

[ccahill2]

Well, I'd hoped I'd never have to see Tom's face again. The story drags on.

[Perdita]

Well, I'd hoped I'd never have to see Tom's face again. The story drags on.

I like it, DV a lot of the time does not stop when the perpetrator is in prison, good for Emmerdale to carry on with this storyline because it is not always over for victims when a judge says so

[Son of Cain]

I wish people would stop taking advice from Lydia as if she was the font of all knowdge.

[Son of Cain]

Surely the chaplain is not that niave, as to listen to Tom. Would Tom be in prison if he had a fall out with Belle that could be sorted out with a chat.

[Dennis tanner]

I like it, DV a lot of the time does not stop when the perpetrator is in prison, good for Emmerdale to carry on with this storyline because it is not always over for victims when a judge says so

It should be over unless she is given a daft suggestion by her solicitor. Has she forgotten why Tom is in the CHokey ?

[Son of Cain]

Post inthe wrong place twice. Having terrible trouble with this site now.

[Son of Cain]

Posted in wrong place.

[Son of Cain]

Is there enough people in the village to sell sufficient tickets to cover the cost of the prize ?

[Dennis tanner]

Is there enough people in the village to sell sufficient tickets to cover the cost of the prize ?

No. It's just a daft excuse to use these vehicles.

Cain needs to get electric in his garage so the Police don't need to search with torches

[lizann]

Is there enough people in the village to sell sufficient tickets to cover the cost of the prize ?

dr big bucks love liam bought lots

[Son of Cain]

dr big bucks love liam bought lots

Might have well just paid for a limo - Oh! Wait he did.

[Son of Cain]

Can the police arrest Cain for being stupid? None of this story about Anthony's car makes sense. First of all he went to the police and said he bought Anthony's car for spares, drawing attention to himself, when he had no need to. How many people in the village have a car that would need jaguar parts? Might be years before they would be used, might as well have thrown ?500 in the fire. Aaron said the car was disposed of by a dodgy scrapper. So how could Cain show the police the parts, or did they not ask to see them?

As for the tooth, if the police had found it, would it not look a bit odd that it was sitting in plain sight instead of rolling into a corner if he had been driving about with in the boot.

[Perdita]

Can the police arrest Cain for being stupid? None of this story about Anthony's car makes sense. First of all he went to the police and said he bought Anthony's car for spares, drawing attention to himself, when he had no need to. How many people in the village have a car that would need jaguar parts? Might be years before they would be used, might as well have thrown ?500 in the fire. Aaron said the car was disposed of by a dodgy scrapper. So how could Cain show the police the parts, or did they not ask to see them?

As for the tooth, if the police had found it, would it not look a bit odd that it was sitting in plain sight instead of rolling into a corner if he had been driving about with in the boot.

Maybe the Jaguar spares were for somebody in Hotten or Leeds.... this murder storyline is as boring and tedious as Stephen Reid's serial killing in a small place called Weatherfield...why oh why go down this road? Would be far better if they had gotten Anthony in a court and made him pay for what he did to Ruby...

[Son of Cain]

Maybe the Jaguar spares were for somebody in Hotten or Leeds.... this murder storyline is as boring and tedious as Stephen Reid's serial killing in a small place called Weatherfield...why oh why go down this road? Would be far better if they had gotten Anthony in a court and made him pay for what he did to Ruby...

How would anyone in Leeds or Hotten know Cain had the parts. When you leave your car in a garage for repair, you need to get home, I do not think Cain has a courtesy car, so I have always found it hard to believe many people from outside the village would use him.
I would not mind the murder storyline if they just gave it a bit more thought, and made it more real. Since they do not want Steph to know about the abuse, they cannot go to court, although I am sure she will find out at some point.

[Perdita]

How would anyone in Leeds or Hotten know Cain had the parts. When you leave your car in a garage for repair, you need to get home, I do not think Cain has a courtesy car, so I have always found it hard to believe many people from outside the village would use him.
I would not mind the murder storyline if they just gave it a bit more thought, and made it more real. Since they do not want Steph to know about the abuse, they cannot go to court, although I am sure she will find out at some point.

I was thinking that sometimes spare parts for a rare car are asked for on the internet so that is why Cain tried to get hold of them.
I feel for them for wanting to protect Steph but she is an adult and there are ways of telling somebody in a gentle way what a person did to them when they were very young. But of course, this is drama so it has to be prolonged ...

[ccahill2]

On a soap, secrets always come out, and in the worst possible way. Of course, it would be easier to tell Steph now, in a controlled way, but then where would the drama be?

[lizann]

no way will aaron and chas let cain go down, ruby also wouldn't

[Son of Cain]

I was thinking that sometimes spare parts for a rare car are asked for on the internet so that is why Cain tried to get hold of them.
I feel for them for wanting to protect Steph but she is an adult and there are ways of telling somebody in a gentle way what a person did to them when they were very young. But of course, this is drama so it has to be prolonged ...

A jaguar is a luxury car but was not old enough to be rare. Cain did not want any parts for any car, this was just a story to explain the noise Aaron made when working in the garage. If I understand this correctly, Aaron had already got rid of all trace of the car before Cain even knew about it or went to the police, which is why I do not understand why they did not ask to see them. The story has not been thought out well, by either the characters or the writers.

[Dennis tanner]

Maybe the Jaguar spares were for somebody in Hotten or Leeds.... this murder storyline is as boring and tedious as Stephen Reid's serial killing in a small place called Weatherfield...why oh why go down this road? Would be far better if they had gotten Anthony in a court and made him pay for what he did to Ruby...

I don't know why they broke up the car. They should have just abandoned it near to Hotton Railway Station.

[lizann]

will it be liam's ring on the lake female, chas or leyla, we know leyla dies

[Son of Cain]

I don't know why they broke up the car. They should have just abandoned it near to Hotton Railway Station.

Only problem there is, when police check CCTV it would not show Anthony in the station.

[Snagglepus]

we know leyla dies

I didn't.

[johntrevor]

I didn't.

It has been confirmed by Emmerdale, that Leyla is being written out and will die in a dramatic storyline, but not said whether its's this storyline or not.

[Perdita]

I didn't.

Was confirmed quite a while ago, also her death but not how yet...

[Snagglepus]

It has been confirmed by Emmerdale, that Leyla is being written out and will die in a dramatic storyline, but not said whether its's this storyline or not.
I am not on their mailing list.

[johntrevor]

I am not on their mailing list.

funny

[Dennis tanner]

Only problem there is, when police check CCTV it would not show Anthony in the station.

Good point, well made.

[lizann]

I didn't.

sorry i assumed everyone did

[Son of Cain]

sorry i assumed everyone did

I knew, but didn't want to.

[katie hunter]

I'm no expert but surely it would be safer to crawl rather than totter in your heels across the ice?

Did anyone bother to call the emergency services?

Why did they keep slamming the doors?

I think Kerry will save Amy leaving Leyla to plunge into the depths.

Is that Nate's body?

So many questions!

[Son of Cain]

I'm no expert but surely it would be safer to crawl rather than totter in your heels across the ice?

Did anyone bother to call the emergency services?

Why did they keep slamming the doors?

Is that Nate's body?

So many questions!

I don't think they could get a signal.

Probably did not want to get cold kness crawling.

If I am ever unfortunate enough to be trapped in a limo on a frozen lake, I don't think I will be spending a lot of time having emotional chats, I will be out the door and crawling to safety as fast as I can.

Did Nate wear a bead bracelet ?

[Larvana]

I think it's fair to say Amy is indeed gone, I don't think she's coming back from this.

Next Leyla will probably be the one that dies somehow.

[lizann]

I think it's fair to say Amy is indeed gone, I don't think she's coming back from this.

Next Leyla will probably be the one that dies somehow.

I'd say she will be saved, get out or kerry or leyla saves Amy

the opening the limo doors and not crawling on the ice was stupid

[lizann]

frankie makes bracelets

[ccahill2]

They might save Amy. There have been real life drownings in icy water where the person was revived because the ice slowed down their organs. The trick is to not warm them up too quickly.

I thought it hilarious how everyone walked upright in their high heel boots, putting all their weight on each foot as it lingered for so long as they faced their fears.

The slamming door was odd too. We are always taught that if our cars are about to submerge to open all the windows because we won't be able to open the doors against the pressure of the water, and will have to swim out through the windows.

I was really shocked about Suzy. I hadn't read about her in any spoilers and was certain that the show would ultimately pair her with Mary.

My gut feeling is that Chas will feel guilty about Liam and will agree to marry him when she really doesn't want to marry again.

Did the whole group in the other car hear Caleb discussing Ruby's rapes by her father, as he was screaming at Cain? Poor Ruby. And poor Moira, each married to men that are just children beneath those handsome looks.

[Son of Cain]

Did the car plunge into a lake a river or a pond? If it was a river moving water takes longer to freeze over. It seems odd that it hit the ice bonnet first, yet when they got out of the limo, they walked towards the front of the car when the back of the car should have been nearer the bank. The water seemed unnaturally deep, lakes do not usually get so deep this close to the bank, they usually slope down more gently than the deed water Amy seemed to be in.

[Dennis tanner]

Did the car plunge into a lake a river or a pond? If it was a river moving water takes longer to freeze over. It seems odd that it hit the ice bonnet first, yet when they got out of the limo, they walked towards the front of the car when the back of the car should have been nearer the bank. The water seemed unnaturally deep, lakes do not usually get so deep this close to the bank, they usually slope down more gently than the deed water Amy seemed to be in.

They all walked past the front of the limo apart from Charity was was sensible enough to go the other way. I don't know why they didn't follow her because the ice there had taken the weight of the vehicle

[Perdita]

They all walked past the front of the limo apart from Charity was was sensible enough to go the other way. I don't know why they didn't follow her because the ice there had taken the weight of the vehicle

I think they should have taken a slightly different route as every time someone walked over the same piece of ice it would have weakened and maybe they should have crawled instead of walk ?? ..

[Son of Cain]

They all walked past the front of the limo apart from Charity was was sensible enough to go the other way. I don't know why they didn't follow her because the ice there had taken the weight of the vehicle

Charity walked in the same direction as the others, she just walked a bit further away from the Limo. Thay all ended up on the other side away from the road.

[Son of Cain]

Did the whole group in the other car hear Caleb discussing Ruby's rapes by her father, as he was screaming at Cain? Poor Ruby. And poor Moira, each married to men that are just children beneath those handsome looks.

It is looking like Liam might have a bleed on the brain or something and might not make it, so no wedding with Chas.

Caleb and Cain had walked away from the others and were talking in low voices so zi do not think the others hear.

[Son of Cain]

Bit confused about the crash or crashes? The way it was filmed I thought the limos had crashed into each other, even audio description said "The two limos crash", At exactly the same time? But since the men are not helping the women, they must be in different locations.

[Perdita]

Bit confused about the crash or crashes? The way it was filmed I thought the limos had crashed into each other, even audio description said "The two limos crash", At exactly the same time? But since the men are not helping the women, they must be in different locations.

They drove in different directions, Charity hit some embankment or a tree trying to avoid Noah, the boys crashed avoiding an oncoming lorry and ended up on the ice.. the lorry driver surely should have stopped to see if the limo was ok...

[Son of Cain]

They drove in different directions, Charity hit some embankment or a tree trying to avoid Noah, the boys crashed avoiding an oncoming lorry and ended up on the ice.. the lorry driver surely should have stopped to see if the limo was ok...

I did not realize there was a lorry involved, although I did hear a horn blaring. All I saw headlights, number plates and people bouncing about inside the limos. I did not know the boy's limo was also on the ice, I though they were still n the road. It must be a different bit ice, certainly stronger if they are changing tyre on it.

Don't tell Parkerman about the coincidence of both limos crashing at the same time.

[tammyy2j]

How did Suzy die?

[ccahill2]

Wow the show today was really good, but the soundtrack made it positively epic.

[Dennis tanner]

How did Suzy die?

It's a bit of a mystery

[Son of Cain]

How did Suzy die?

I think she hit her head on roof of the limo. Or maybe just gave up the will to live when she read the script?

[lizann]

How did Suzy die?

hit of chas boots, not sure, as leyla had blood, what did she hit also?

[Son of Cain]

Did they just drive off and leave Vanessa and Tracey by the lakeside.

[Son of Cain]

Amy managed to hold her breathe for a long time, she should take up free diving.

[lizann]

Did they just drive off and leave Vanessa and Tracey by the lakeside.

looks like it and vanessa looked cold and wet

[ccahill2]

That was pretty odd. I was also surprised they didn't have divers in dry suits.

The music in the soundtrack today was amazing. It made the episode feel like an epic movie.

I was so mad at Caleb who cheated on Ruby acting like such a big baby and packing his bags. Thank goodness they talked.

Now poor Moira. I'm glad that the info came from Cain, though.

[katie hunter]

It was lucky that they had the right amount of ambulances for the number of casualties.

Caleb is blaming Cain for taking advantage but it was Ruby who went to the garage and he knows how drunk Cain was. I think they were equally to blame.

I wonder how Moira will react?

[lizann]

It was lucky that they had the right amount of ambulances for the number of casualties.

Caleb is blaming Cain for taking advantage but it was Ruby who went to the garage and he knows how drunk Cain was. I think they were equally to blame.

I wonder how Moira will react?

exactly it takes two to tango

[Dennis tanner]

It was lucky that they had the right amount of ambulances for the number of casualties.

Caleb is blaming Cain for taking advantage but it was Ruby who went to the garage and he knows how drunk Cain was. I think they were equally to blame.

I wonder how Moira will react?

Cain might have to play the Nate card

[lizann]

probably leyla dead in the ambulance as her death exit was revealed previously but is there more deaths?

[katie hunter]

Cain might have to play the Nate card

Or James and John.

[Snagglepus]

Belle will have to manage 'Take A Vow' on her own.

[lizann]

Or James and John.

what john did moira cheat with, afair she cheated on john with cain and james

[katie hunter]

Sad ending for Leyla. Will David or Alicia be back for the funeral?

I hope we aren't heading for yet another Cain and Moira split.

[lizann]

Sad ending for Leyla. Will David or Alicia be back for the funeral?

I hope we aren't heading for yet another Cain and Moira split.

they should return especially alicia

[alan45]

They apparently couldn't get a signal on their mobile phones to call for help yet Cain and Caleb left the scene to go back to their respective spouses. They failed to call for help.

Meanwhile back at the scene(s) a fleet of Ambulances arrived to pick up the dead and injured before setting off with dramatic music playing loudly. I half expected them to start playing Dance of the Valkyries and a fleet of Huey's to appear over the horizon a la Apocalypse Now!!!!!

This has to be the worst stunt yet

[Dennis tanner]

Belle will have to manage 'Take A Vow' on her own.

Strange that it's the two who thought up having the limos who have conked out.

Belles first do will be a double wake !!!

[Son of Cain]

They apparently couldn't get a signal on their mobile phones to call for help yet Cain and Caleb left the scene to go back to their respective spouses. They failed to call for help.

Meanwhile back at the scene(s) a fleet of Ambulances arrived to pick up the dead and injured before setting off with dramatic music playing loudly. I half expected them to start playing Dance of the Valkyries and a fleet of Huey's to appear over the horizon a la Apocalypse Now!!!!!

This has to be the worst stunt yet

Cain changed the tyre so the men did not need any help, except Cain, not sure how he got back.

Would definitely have been up for The Dance of the Valkyries and a flight of Hueys, especially if it had opened up with .50 cal machine gun and strafed the lot of them.

[Son of Cain]

Moira continues to disappoint me, the way she insisted in confronting Ruby as if she herself was blameless. I would argue that her affair with Nate was worse than Cain's brief dalliance with Ruby. It is as if she has completely forgotten about that, or is it the writers that have forgotten? Moira use to be one of my favourite characters, I remember thinking how disappointed I was with her when she started having the affair with Cain. I don 't think I have ever forgiven her.

[katie hunter]

I am disappointed in Moira too. Not necessarily because of how she was with Ruby. It would be more unrealistic if she hadn't kicked off given what they were doing during her operation

What disappointed me was how she reacted when she found out about Amy. She couldn't put her anger towards Cain to one side regardless of what had happened. If it is Nate in the lake I wonder if she will then ease up on Cain when he is found?

I am shocked that they killed off Amy. Why couldn't it have been Kerry?

I am not sure Liam is out of the woods yet either.

[ccahill2]

Wow that was such a sad episode. When Kerry got into the bed with Amy, I just lost it, and I don't even like her very much. And then Matty lying next to her. Heartwrenching.

But the performance that really got to me was Eric Pollard's. He is such a good actor. His shaky voice expressing his grief. Watching him sitting near Jacob and seeing him cry while listening to Leyla's voice. He broke my heart.

And as for Steph, Ruby passed the test. She is a true mother allowing for her daughter to repudiate her so that she doesn't hate herself. But as for me, I wish I could pop into the TV and tell Steph myself and watch that miserable smug woman's expression change. She irked me so much.

Now as for the body, with Amy gone, they're not going to know to look for him. It's like when Moira found Tom's tablet and then had the seizure wiping her memory. No one will know about Nate. I hope that Matty can figure out that she was saying his name when she woke up for those moments, but I don't think anyone will piece it together.

[Dennis tanner]

Moira continues to disappoint me, the way she insisted in confronting Ruby as if she herself was blameless. I would argue that her affair with Nate was worse than Cain's brief dalliance with Ruby. It is as if she has completely forgotten about that, or is it the writers that have forgotten? Moira use to be one of my favourite characters, I remember thinking how disappointed I was with her when she started having the affair with Cain. I don 't think I have ever forgiven her.


To be fair to Moira she has form for giving into pressure. Cain pressured her and Nate pressured her

[lizann]

Wow that was such a sad episode. When Kerry got into the bed with Amy, I just lost it, and I don't even like her very much. And then Matty lying next to her. Heartwrenching.

But the performance that really got to me was Eric Pollard's. He is such a good actor. His shaky voice expressing his grief. Watching him sitting near Jacob and seeing him cry while listening to Leyla's voice. He broke my heart.

And as for Steph, Ruby passed the test. She is a true mother allowing for her daughter to repudiate her so that she doesn't hate herself. But as for me, I wish I could pop into the TV and tell Steph myself and watch that miserable smug woman's expression change. She irked me so much.

Now as for the body, with Amy gone, they're not going to know to look for him. It's like when Moira found Tom's tablet and then had the seizure wiping her memory. No one will know about Nate. I hope that Matty can figure out that she was saying his name when she woke up for those moments, but I don't think anyone will piece it together.

am hoping the divers for suzy and the limo will find the body, the lake will unfroze

poor eric will have to hear about amy too, she was a daughter to him and his valerie

[Son of Cain]

am hoping the divers for suzy and the limo will find the body, the lake will unfroze

poor eric will have to hear about amy too, she was a daughter to him and his valerie

I am surprized that Amy could recognise Nate after all that time in the water, especially as it would be dark.

[Perdita]

I am surprized that Amy could recognise Nate after all that time in the water, especially as it would be dark.

Poetic licence here, in real life that would have been near enough impossible, the limo's headlights would not have been enough to shine light down so far and for having been in water for many months the arm was in a very good state and would the elastic of the bracelet not have rotted away by now????

[johntrevor]

Poetic licence here, in real life that would have near enough impossible, the limo's headlights would not have been enough to shine light down so far and for having been in water for many months the arm was in a very good state and would the elastic of the bracelet not have rotted away by now????

I think she saw the bracelet, and remembered little Frankie making it. I wonder if Matty will tell Tracy that Amy muttered the name Nate?

[Son of Cain]

Poetic licence here, in real life that would have near enough impossible, the limo's headlights would not have been enough to shine light down so far and for having been in water for many months the arm was in a very good state and would the elastic of the bracelet not have rotted away by now????

Certainly stretching reality a lot further than the elastic in the bracelet would stretch. So obviously no fishes in that lake feasting on Nate.

[Dennis tanner]

I think she saw the bracelet, and remembered little Frankie making it. I wonder if Matty will tell Tracy that Amy muttered the name Nate?

If Matty remembers it he will assume that Amy was having an affair with Nate

[ccahill2]

If Matty remembers it he will assume that Amy was having an affair with Nate

Oh man. I could actually see that happening.

[lizann]

who was watching the lake, john?

the lake was the only place with snow and ice, some snow in the village seen

[johntrevor]

who was watching the lake, john?

the lake was the only place with snow and ice, some snow in the village seen

Or was it Caleb, he put a coat on like that when he went out. I remember that he had a punch up with Nate after Nate found out about his fling with Tracy, so body either Nate or Anthony maybe.

[Perdita]

Or was it Caleb, he put a coat on like that when he went out. I remember that he had a punch up with Nate after Nate found out about his fling with Tracy, so body either Nate or Anthony maybe.

I think Emmerdale did a brilliant job with this storyline... it sure keeps us guessing and online speculation is probably not far from the truth... unless we have all been fooled .. :lol:

[katie hunter]

If Caleb killed him, it was probably to impress Cain. Can't think of a reason why John would kill him, although he said he saw him leave.

We haven't seen that flashforward where Caleb was in hospital. Could it be connected to the body being found?

[lizann]

nate not paying maintenance or sending frankie presents, would cara be looking for him

[Perdita]

nate not paying maintenance or sending frankie presents, would cara be looking for him

We do not know he is not... and benefits and maintenance issues rarely get mentioned as rules change so often and the filming is too far ahead

[Dennis tanner]

We do not know he is not... and benefits and maintenance issues rarely get mentioned as rules change so often and the filming is too far ahead

Not paying maintenance ? I always knew he was a cad and a bounder.

[Son of Cain]

Or was it Caleb, he put a coat on like that when he went out. I remember that he had a punch up with Nate after Nate found out about his fling with Tracy, so body either Nate or Anthony maybe.

Whoever it is, they are not very bright, why on earth would they be standing there staring at the lake in the middle of the night except to draw attention to themselves? Are they expecting to see the body rise up out of the water? Cain is also wearing a black hoodie and said to Chas "you don't want to know some of the things I have done" I cannot think why anyone would want to kill Nate, unless it was an accident. If it is Nate, where is his car, did the killer call on Aaron's car disposal service ?
I do not think the body will be Anthony, he does not strike me as someone who would wear a bead bracelet, unless he was a hippy in his youth.

[lizann]

no way would tracy let him off no maintenance she is barely managing with the shop job from eric as no b&b job and no fancy wood creche opening

[lizann]

why do i feel mary and suzy got closer than friends, i want someone to out the horrible truth to steph so shut her up

[ccahill2]

I definitely suspect that Mary might have been seeing Suzy in private, and it kills me because I've been rooting for them for a year now, and it all happened off screen.

I'd suspected Jacob's friend of roofying the drink, but now this stinks of Joe, and Noah's memory flash was right out of a horror movie.

I kind of wish the dirty truth is that Ruby didn't realize that Anthony was still alive and it's Steph who knew the truth and finished him off and she is toying with everyone because they haven't told her to her face. She is really a rotten little brat. It's not that Ruby and Caleb are gems. They're flawed beyond belief, but even they don't deserve a little witch like her.

[katie hunter]

We know that Caleb ends up in hospital. Cains threats tonight could come back to haunt him.

Steph and her flouncing is getting very irritating.

[Dennis tanner]

I definitely suspect that Mary might have been seeing Amy in private, and it kills me because I've been rooting for them for a year now, and it all happened off screen.

I'd suspected Jacob's friend of roofying the drink, but now this stinks of Joe, and Noah's memory flash was right out of a horror movie.

I kind of wish the dirty truth is that Ruby didn't realize that Anthony was still alive and it's Steph who knew the truth and finished him off and she is toying with everyone because they haven't told her to her face. She is really a rotten little brat. It's not that Ruby and Caleb are gems. They're flawed beyond belief, but even they don't deserve a little witch like her.

I could easily see Livesy saying to her, " I have heard that your grandad was also your dad."

[ccahill2]

The flashforwards also showed Mac looking like he was running for his life through the woods. I don't know yet what that might be about.

[lizann]

I definitely suspect that Mary might have been seeing Amy in private, and it kills me because I've been rooting for them for a year now, and it all happened off screen.

I'd suspected Jacob's friend of roofying the drink, but now this stinks of Joe, and Noah's memory flash was right out of a horror movie.

I kind of wish the dirty truth is that Ruby didn't realize that Anthony was still alive and it's Steph who knew the truth and finished him off and she is toying with everyone because they haven't told her to her face. She is really a rotten little brat. It's not that Ruby and Caleb are gems. They're flawed beyond belief, but even they don't deserve a little witch like her.

i have preferred vanessa killed off than suzy but once married to a producer safe for life, yon mean suzy than amy yes?

[ccahill2]

Totally yes. I keep doing that.

[lizann]

The flashforwards also showed Mac looking like he was running for his life through the woods. I don't know yet what that might be about.

online speculation that john is behind mac running and caleb nearly dying

[Snagglepus]

Who was the tall guy at the vigil that sat behind Noah?

[katie hunter]

Not really sure what the point was of Moira visiting Ruby?

Moira said this was the worst thing that has happened to her, what about Holly? She's never mentioned Nate and her affair or the fact that she knew Cain was struggling at the time. This is either dodgy writing or the tumour has permanently affected her memory.

Surprised at Chas wanting to chuck her brothers under the bus to save herself and Aaron. Does she really think she would stand a chance against Caleb and his lawyers?

Wish we had more Kim and Charity scenes.

[Son of Cain]

This has dragged on so long, that I have forgotten what Ruby told Steph about why she dislikes her father so much.

[Son of Cain]

I think Moira is getting to much enjoyment from taking the moral highground here. Almost everything she said to Ruby she could have addressed to herself over her affair with Nate. Or has the brain tumour erased all memories of this from her mind.

[lizann]

i doubt that is anthony's real resting spot

[Son of Cain]

No decent gardener would dig when there is snow on the ground, apart from anything else, judging by the thickness of the ice on the lake, the ground would be too hard.

[ccahill2]

I also was certain that wasn't the real grave. But at least Ruby has a place to mourn. I don't know how she could ever resolve all this without therapy. It's hard enough losing someone you love. Never mind the mixed feelings of someone who thought the world of her father until he started raping her, and she keeps flashing back to when times seemed good.

[Son of Cain]

I also was certain that wasn't the real grave. But at least Ruby has a place to mourn. I don't know how she could ever resolve all this without therapy. It's hard enough losing someone you love. Never mind the mixed feelings of someone who thought the world of her father until he started raping her, and she keeps flashing back to when times seemed good.

I would be surprized if that is the real grave, because everyone knows that bodies buried in the woods in soaps are always discovered by dog walkers. Not only that have you ever tried to dig a grave in a wood with all those tree roots in the ground. It is not easy.

[Son of Cain]

I am puzzled as to where Noah came from before he stepped out on to the road and caused the crash. We saw him in what looked liked a hospital.The state he was in, it did not look like he could have travelled far. So are we meant to believe that there is a secret hospital hidden in the woods?

[Dennis tanner]

I am puzzled as to where Noah came from before he stepped out on to the road and caused the crash. We saw him in what looked liked a hospital.The state he was in, it did not look like he could have travelled far. So are we meant to believe that there is a secret hospital hidden in the woods?

I am guessing that Noah managed to escape fropm the 'hospital' but was still in a confused state.
I agree that John has not been daft enought to show them Ant's grave

[lizann]

when did dawn go back getting it on with joe, she is like a dog in heat

why the hell doesnt steph move away again, she is loaded from grandma and she hates ruby and thinks caleb is a mug

[ccahill2]

why the hell doesnt steph move away again, she is loaded from grandma and she hates ruby and thinks caleb is a mug

Exactly. If she is so disgusted with her parents why does she continue to live there. She can go back to wherever she was living before coming to town with her granddad. She's like a petulant teenager.

[Son of Cain]

when did dawn go back getting it on with joe, she is like a dog in heat

why the hell doesnt steph move away again, she is loaded from grandma and she hates ruby and thinks caleb is a mug

Not so long ago she was pushing him away, now she is the one doing the chasing. I do hope that when she is found out, that we are not subjected to scenes of her whining and telling Billy
how much she loves him and to think of the kids. If joe is so ill I am surprized he can do the business.

[Son of Cain]

Exactly. If she is so disgusted with her parents why does she continue to live there. She can go back to wherever she was living before coming to town with her granddad. She's like a petulant teenager.

Steph has every right to be disappointed and to disapprove of her parents relationship, but she has no right to tell them, how to behave. Since she arrived she has tried to force Ruby to like her father, but she has never really tried to find out why Ruby hated Anthony so much, not that Ruby wants to tell her. Nor has she any right to tell her father to leave her mother, that is a decision for Caleb to make. I always find it quite funny the way some new characters arrive, often with minimal possessions, as if they have no past life, more often than not all communication to past friends and acquaintances is completely cut off. Did Caleb make her a partner in his business or does she just work there, surely that is not a strong enough reason to stay.

[Perdita]

Not so long ago she was pushing him away, now she is the one doing the chasing. I do hope that when she is found out, that we are not subjected to scenes of her whining and telling Billy
how much she loves him and to think of the kids. If joe is so ill I am surprized he can do the business.

I hope there will not be another Who Is The Daddy storyline.... :rolleyes:

[lizann]

poor evan, dawn really don't care anymore

[Son of Cain]

poor evan, dawn really don't care anymore

Not so long ago Dawn would hardlly let Billy help her with Evan. She was playing the martyr and taking it all on herself, and excluding Billy, now she is only too happy to let Billy take Evan to hospital while she busy in a cottage in the woods. I expect when she is found out, she will blame on Billy for not being there for her.

[lizann]

Not so long ago Dawn would hardlly let Billy help her with Evan. She was playing the martyr and taking it all on herself, and excluding Billy, now she is only too happy to let Billy take Evan to hospital while she busy in a cottage in the woods. I expect when she is found out, she will blame on Billy for not being there for her.

kim should kick dawn out, joe didn't take advantage of her, she chased him even more i think, she is gagging for it off him

[thestud2k7]

I hope if dawn gets found out that Kim backs billy with the best solicitor money can buy

[ccahill2]

I hope if dawn gets found out that Kim backs billy with the best solicitor money can buy

Billy also was the one family member who wasn't convinced that Kim drugged Dawn at Rose's word. Billy treats Kim more like family than Dawn ever did. At least in the time that I've been watching this show.

[johntrevor]

Billy also was the one family member who wasn't convinced that Kim drugged Dawn at Rose's word. Billy treats Kim more like family than Dawn ever did. At least in the time that I've been watching this show.

You are absolutely correct, I think Billy will be devastated when he eventually finds out about how Dawn has betrayed him with, of all people, Joe.

[lizann]

Billy also was the one family member who wasn't convinced that Kim drugged Dawn at Rose's word. Billy treats Kim more like family than Dawn ever did. At least in the time that I've been watching this show.

yes he was the only one on team kim so to speak

[Dennis tanner]

Not so long ago she was pushing him away, now she is the one doing the chasing. I do hope that when she is found out, that we are not subjected to scenes of her whining and telling Billy
how much she loves him and to think of the kids. If joe is so ill I am surprized he can do the business.

Perhaps he just lies there and looks bored.

[ccahill2]

Perhaps he just lies there and looks bored.

And he'll get a promotion because the boss considers a poker face to be a good quality for a leader.

[Son of Cain]

Perhaps he just lies there and looks bored.

Thinking of England ?

[Dennis tanner]

Thinking of England ?
or Mandy Dingle.

[Son of Cain]

or Mandy Dingle.

No no no, NO, - Mandy Dingle on top of him would finish him off. She would snap him in half and drain whatever life force he had left in him.

[Dennis tanner]

No no no, NO, - Mandy Dingle on top of him would finish him off. She would snap him in half and drain whatever life force he had left in him.

Just what I had in mind

[lizann]

so joe is dawns new drug, she needs her fix

i don't get bratty april and why she left

[katie hunter]

What a thoroughly depressing episode.

[lizann]

why does cain not bring up nate to moira

[Dennis tanner]

why does cain not bring up nate to moira
He doesn't want to upset her !!!

[ccahill2]

I actually appreciate that he hasn't because he's not looking to deflect blame or escalate how horrible she feels. I like that he is accepting this upon himself. I think that is showing his love more, because he cares about her health enough not to make her feel worse.

[lizann]

I actually appreciate that he hasn't because he's not looking to deflect blame or escalate how horrible she feels. I like that he is accepting this upon himself. I think that is showing his love more, because he cares about her health enough not to make her feel worse.

when nate's body is discovered cain will blame moira as she caused their rift

[Dennis tanner]

when nate's body is discovered cain will blame moira as she caused their rift

Or by the time his body is found, there will be no rift.

[lizann]

good on ruby, blunt and direct with moira about nate, someone finally