Emmerdale - Current Episode Discussion - III

[Son of Cain]

Joe looked surprised and a bit annoyed when he found all empty packets... I guess somebody took them... of course, he will blame Billy ...:wall:

He also looked surprized that the window was open, are we to think that someone climbed up and came in through it? If I was going to steal his drugs, I would have just taken them in their boxes, why leave them behind? Was this just a clumsy way of telling us the drugs were missing?
I don't think it will be Billy, so who could it be?

For someone who is suppose to be clever, why would Joe hire failed kidnapper Shaun again? Does Joe have his ear pernamently attached to the grapevine, that he heard that Shaun was back in the country again?

[johntrevor]

He also looked surprized that the window was open, are we to think that someone climbed up and came in through it? If I was going to steal his drugs, I would have just taken them in their boxes, why leave them behind? Was this just a clumsy way of telling us the drugs were missing?
I don't think it will be Billy, so who could it be?

For someone who is suppose to be clever, why would Joe hire failed kidnapper Shaun again? Does Joe have his ear pernamently attached to the grapevine, that he heard that Shaun was back in the country again?

I still think it will be Clemmie, she has told him several times that she doesn't like him since he threatened to get her sent to a home.

[lizann]

I still think it will be Clemmie, she has told him several times that she doesn't like him since he threatened to get her sent to a home.

i thought she came around after getting a new phone and paris trip , sam helping make peace

[ccahill2]

This John stuff is growing old. I liked him before the killer stuff came out. He's handsome. He's a good actor. I like him with Aaron. I'd much rather they get rid of a character who gets on my nerves rather than change him into this demented and jealous being.

[Son of Cain]

I still think it will be Clemmie, she has told him several times that she doesn't like him since he threatened to get her sent to a home.

I think you might be right, as that could explain the empty boxes, a child would be more likely to leave them as it could delay Joe knowing they are gone.

[Son of Cain]

Caleb and Cain know...

I was thinking about the authorities if he has to ask for a prescriptin. But he said he had the transplant in Chicago, so perhaps he could ask for one. I am confusing my self now.

[lizann]

charity surrogate? no mention of debbie even being told

[katie hunter]

charity surrogate? no mention of debbie even being told

Agreed, I think that's what will happen.

No mention of Debbie and no mention of Andy either. If your child had a life threatening illness you would stay in touch surely? Not even Victoria mentions him.

[Son of Cain]

These stories are getting too silly. Joe ask Shaun to teach Billy a lesson, just few slaps and make him feel scared. So Shaun sets out to to do so with a knife, how did that work out last time, and he was going to do so in the High Street. Then he allows Shaun to come to the house where they could be seen together, implicating Joe, if the police should get involved,.what happened to clandestine meetings in with the car?

Jacob says he will only be involved as much with the child as Sarah wants him to be, but then he tells Eric that he is prepared to be a full time parent if the worst happens. Has he really thought how that would affect his life?

Robert said he had to sleep with one eye open, do they not lock the cell doors at night? I would have thought that was the one time he was safe.

Feels like they are just making it up as it goes along.

[johntrevor]

i thought she came around after getting a new phone and paris trip , sam helping make peace

Not so sure she came round, more pretending I thought.

[ccahill2]

If this is written like an American soap, if Sarah does die and Charity was surrogate to her child, Charity will be in love with the baby and will want to hold onto a piece of Sarah and won't give the baby over to Jacob, so there will be a big custody battle.

I hope Emmerdale doesn't go in that direction.

[Son of Cain]

If this is written like an American soap, if Sarah does die and Charity was surrogate to her child, Charity will be in love with the baby and will want to hold onto a piece of Sarah and won't give the baby over to Jacob, so there will be a big custody battle.

I hope Emmerdale doesn't go in that direction.

Would Jacob want the baby, he has not actually expressed a wish to have a child, he is doing this to help Sarah. To make it even more complicated what if Charity was a surrogate using Sarah's eggs but with Mack's sperm. Could the American Soap's beat that.

[ccahill2]

Would Jacob want the baby, he has not actually expressed a wish to have a child, he is doing this to help Sarah. To make it even more complicated what if Charity was a surrogate using Sarah's eggs but with Mack's sperm. Could the American Soap's beat that.

Ha! Not yet! Of course General Hospital had a story where a woman was a surrogate for her friends, but it turns out that she miscarried that embryo and then got pregnant with a biological child with her boyfriend, but didn't tell the couple and handed over her own baby. But then she couldn't deal with it anymore and they found out and had to give the baby back, ruining the friendships.

Emmerdale is so much better than those other soaps, so I hope it doesn't stoop so low.

[lizann]

sarah should be grateful charity is there for her and keeps her as debbie dont care

no mention yet of seb but robert showing his paternal side with harry

kim has a new love, man or woman, emmerdale loves the gays

[Son of Cain]

Have we ever met Celia before?

[katie hunter]

Have we ever met Celia before?

I don't think so but she has certainly done her research 🙄

[lizann]

paddy will have ptsd now

Good to have Lydia back

[Son of Cain]

Does Kammy live in the village? If he does, has he always lived there and we just have not seen him.

[lizann]

Does Kammy live in the village? If he does, has he always lived there and we just have not seen him.

not yet anyways but works at the garage

[ccahill2]

Good to have Lydia back

I was so happy to have Lydia back, especially with all the speculation in the rags that she never showed for her own party because she was one of John's victims. There was so much good material in the show, but this is what made me happiest.

The scene between Charity crawling into the bed and Sarah was really beautiful.

Poor Paddy. It just shows that no good deed goes unpunished.

[lizann]

sneaky robert

[tammyy2j]

Is the new lady on one of Kim's farms and is she new but Paddy knew her

I did not expect that from Robert

[Son of Cain]

sneaky robert

It is certainly in character for him, but I was surprized he knew about the marijuana or the guy who bought it.

[Son of Cain]

Putting on weight? - Is Gabby pregnant?

[katie hunter]

Can't understand why Caleb hasn't offered to help out Moira.

Just when you think Robert is trying to turn over a new leaf he screws over Moira.

[lizann]

noah is still there, why has he and moses gone to see sarah

[Dennis tanner]

Spamhead's stariing contest with the mad dog did not go well. He should have just ignored the dog and walked slowly away.

[Son of Cain]

Spamhead's stariing contest with the mad dog did not go well. He should have just ignored the dog and walked slowly away.

Being a vet I thought he would have been able to deal with the dog. But unfortunately as he was walking away he tripped and fell, the moment he was on the ground the dog sense weakness and attacked. Otherwise I think he would have been able to get into the car.

[ccahill2]

I think that Ross's brother brings freshness to the show. He is adorable.

[lizann]

I think that Ross's brother brings freshness to the show. He is adorable.

i hope he meets moses and pete

[lizann]

has joe got shaun living in the big house

i was thinking sam, the friend, listening shoulder for Joe,but all in plain sight

[Son of Cain]

I was half expecting Joe's ordeal to be a dream. I realy do not care about any of these people. Dawn is selfish. Sarah spoilt and selfish, she want a baby but no thoughts to, if she dies young leaves it without a mother. Vinny is a confused mess. Laurel sticking her nose into other people's business again.

Time for another plane crash.

[katie hunter]

The operating theatre scenes were dreadful.

Fed up with Sarah pining for a child when she looks like a child herself. I know she's supposed to be 20 but she looks very young and it does come across to me as a spoilt child wanting something that she can't have. I wish this storyline was over but now that Cains on board I guess it's barely started.

[lizann]

it's ridiculous no debbie for sarah, why not recast

[lizann]

crowley needs money but can afford a make shift shed hospital with equipment, pay shaun and buy lunch

[Perdita]

crowley needs money but can afford a make shift shed hospital with equipment, pay shaun and buy lunch

Joe paid for lunch... Shaun took the money out of his pocket/wallet...

[thestud2k7]

I have to wonder if the writers are making it up as they go along

Another silly story I can’t understand it’s vinny trying to kiss cammy with vinny showing no interest in men before

[ccahill2]

The operating theatre scenes were dreadful.


Yes! Those scenes were like a dream sequence. They were not even B-movie grade. They were like sci-fi at its worst.

[Perdita]

The operating theatre scenes were dreadful.

Fed up with Sarah pining for a child when she looks like a child herself. I know she's supposed to be 20 but she looks very young and it does come across to me as a spoilt child wanting something that she can't have. I wish this storyline was over but now that Cains on board I guess it's barely started.

I agree. Not looking forward to this.. who is going to be the surrogate mum and dad? I know Jacob has offered but I do not think he is mature enough to be a father, especially if he has to be the full time dad should Sarah die.

[ccahill2]

I would bet that Charity has enough guilt that she will offer to carry herself. (I don't know her background so don't even know whether she can have children, but it's just my gut).

[Perdita]

I would bet that Charity has enough guilt that she will offer to carry herself. (I don't know her background so don't even know whether she can have children, but it's just my gut).

Charity is nearly 50 years old... I guess she could still carry a child but that can cause risks to both mother and child... not that this would matter in soapland...

[lizann]

charity told mack no kids so he won't be happy

[Son of Cain]

charity told mack no kids so he won't be happy

He could be the sperm donor.

[Son of Cain]

Joe has gone being an arrogant, over confident guy who always gets what he wants, to a weak snivelling wreck who is being threatened by a cosmetic surgeon. If he was able to hire a thug like Shaun, why can he not hire a bigger thug to take care of Shaun and "Eddie"?

[lizann]

Joe has gone being an arrogant, over confident guy who always gets what he wants, to a weak snivelling wreck who is being threatened by a cosmetic surgeon. If he was able to hire a thug like Shaun, why can he not hire a bigger thug to take care of Shaun and "Eddie"?


is joe now broke, everything to the doc

[Son of Cain]

is joe now broke, everything to the doc

He has always given the impression that he has piles of money, so either he was lying then or he is lying to "Eddie" now.

[katie hunter]

Are we really expected to believe that Joe, who drugged his own brother, who set up Manpreet to get Caleb's blood, who planned Caleb's operation, is now scared of the weasel doctor?

Either he is plotting a big revenge or Caleb's kidney has completely changed his personality.

Someone needs to deflate Sarah's bubble quickly.

[Son of Cain]

Vinny has become a caricature. When we met him he was counting cards in a casino, an occupation that requires coolness and bravery, now he seems to be in a constant state of panic.

[johntrevor]

Vinny has become a caricature. When we met him he was counting cards in a casino, an occupation that requires coolness and bravery, now he seems to be in aconstant state of panic.ny

Very true. Emmerdale has no qualms about totally changing a character's being at the drop of a hat, we've seen it many many times before.

[ccahill2]

This is so true. He now seems to be used solely for comic relief, as is Mandy, and is no longer written as a rounded person.

[lizann]

hoping kim is wise to doc crowley, will joe help him swindle kim?

[Son of Cain]

This is so true. He now seems to be used solely for comic relief, as is Mandy, and is no longer written as a rounded person.

I would not mind so much if he was funny, but he is not, at least I do not find him so.

[Perdita]

https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/emmerdale/a65391419/battersea-dogs-home-emmerdale-attack-storyline/

Battersea Dogs and Cats Home has expressed its disappointment regarding a recent Emmerdale storyline.

Last week, the soap aired scenes of a brutal dog attack on local vet Paddy Dingle (Dominic Brunt).

While attempting to help a sheep that was trapped in a fence, Paddy came face to face with a large Alsatian. The dog became aggressive and attacked Paddy, causing serious injuries and excessive blood loss.


They are not the only ones :nono:

[Son of Cain]

https://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/emmerdale/a65391419/battersea-dogs-home-emmerdale-attack-storyline/

Battersea Dogs and Cats Home has expressed its disappointment regarding a recent Emmerdale storyline.

Last week, the soap aired scenes of a brutal dog attack on local vet Paddy Dingle (Dominic Brunt).

While attempting to help a sheep that was trapped in a fence, Paddy came face to face with a large Alsatian. The dog became aggressive and attacked Paddy, causing serious injuries and excessive blood loss.


They are not the only ones :nono:

I think I am past being disappointed at the way dramatic stories are portrayed here, very poorly. One minute Paddy is lying on the ground screaming, with the dog attached to his arm, then Bear drives the dog off hitting it with a branch and a sound that sounded like he had hit the car boot. A metal robotic dog? By this time Paddy is unconscious, presumably from loss of blood, that seemed a bit quick to me, but not quite as quick as his recovery to sitting up in bed.

[Son of Cain]

hoping kim is wise to doc crowley, will joe help him swindle kim?

I really do not see Kim falling for someone like Doc Crowley, she has gone a bit school girly, do not remember her being like this with Will.

[lizann]

I really do not see Kim falling for someone like Doc Crowley, she has gone a bit school girly, do not remember her being like this with Will.

neither will and doc crowley seem Kim's type

[Son of Cain]

It has taken us all by surprize, Kim.

[katie hunter]

I am hoping that Kim hasn't had a personality transplant and become all silly and gullible. Please no.

Didn't Caleb meet Crowley in the hospital after he 'saved him'?

Joe really is spineless.

[lizann]

I am hoping that Kim hasn't had a personality transplant and become all silly and gullible. Please no.

Didn't Caleb meet Crowley in the hospital after he 'saved him'?

Joe really is spineless.

yes caleb and ruby and steph did

[ccahill2]

I'd love for Kim to have found out Joe's part with Will and this is all an elaborate part of her plan to get revenge on him like she did when pretending to be buried alive and then knocking him into that grave.

[Son of Cain]

With Kim not signing, I am beginning to think she is wise to the scam.

[katie hunter]

With Kim not signing, I am beginning to think she is wise to the scam.

Definitely hope so, I am fed up with characters having personality transplants to fit the storyline.

[Perdita]

With Kim not signing, I am beginning to think she is wise to the scam.

I wish we would be given a clue to that hahahaha

[Son of Cain]

Quelle surprize! - well let's hope that is the last we see of Doc Crowley. - Did they actually give the money that Joe gave Crowley to Shaun? Shaun must be dizzy the way he turns round so fast. - If Joe really does have no money how was he going to afford to move to Buenos Aires, with or without Dawn?

[lizann]

so crowley got nothing , he should try going to caleb , where is caleb and ruby you'd think they be at nates funeral

[Perdita]

Got the feeling Doc Crowley will be back, do not think we have seen the last of him ...

[johntrevor]

Quelled surprize! - well let's hope that is the last we see of Doc Crowley. - Did they actually give the money that Joe gave Crowley to Shaun? Shaun must be dizzy the way he turns round so fast. - If Joe really does have no money how was he going to afford to move to Buenos Aires, with or without Dawn?

Did not see that coming, nice one Kim. Back to the old Kim we all begrudgingly respect and admire, and well done Joe, there might be a chance for you yet.

[Perdita]

Did not see that coming, nice one Kim. Back to the old Kim we all begrudgingly respect and admire, and well done Joe, there might be a chance for you yet.
Will there will be another chance for what? Never liked the character first time round, still do not care for him ... what is he doing in Emmerdale???

[johntrevor]

Will there will be another chance for what? Never liked the character first time round, still do not care for him ... what is he doing in Emmerdale???

It was meant as sarcasm. :lol: He is a horrible character, not a good bone in his body

[johntrevor]

Just about the most stupid thing Iv'e seen in Emmerdale for a while. John Sugden writing Owen's "murder" of Nate confession on the computer and then putting on gloves to wipe it down to remove all signs of being used. Why didn't he put gloves on first to write the note, then leave the computer still with Owen's finger prints on it. After all it was Owen's computer, so the police would expect to see Owen's finger prints all over it.

[Son of Cain]

Just about the most stupid thing Iv'e seen in Emmerdale for a while. John Sugden writing Owen's "murder" of Nate confession on the computer and then putting on gloves to wipe it down to remove all signs of being used. Why didn't he put gloves on first to write the note, then leave the computer still with Owen's finger prints on it. After all it was Owen's computer, so the police would expect to see Owen's finger prints all over it.

Exactly what I thought, not only that, when he got up to leave he walked towards the back door. If he left that way he would have to undo the chain. Hope he remembered to wipe down the front door too. When John came in, did he lock the front door, if not, why did Liam not come in that way. They are becoming very lax with their lack of attention to detail. I presume John drives to appointments in his van, assuming he parks outside why did Liam no see it? Poor show.

[johntrevor]

Exactly what I thought, not only that, when he got up to leave he walked towards the back door. If he left that way he would have to undo the chain. Hope he remembered to wipe down the front door too. When John came in, did he lock the front door, if not, why did Liam not come in that way. They are becoming very lax with their lack of attention to detail. I presume John drives to appointments in his van, assuming he parks outside why did Liam no see it? Poor show.

He put the chain on when Liam called, so he couldn't come in, but he would have to take it off to get out himself.

[Son of Cain]

The story of Sarah's baby seems to have changed, originally Jacob did not particularly want a baby, but agreed to provide sperm for IVF. Now he says both he and Sarah want a baby and seems to he saying they will raise it together, not that he will be a hands off dad, which was the original plan. Kerry talking like Sarah is definitely going to die soon, when the doctors say it is possibly she could live for years. If Jacob and Sarah are not a couple what happens when one of them meets someone else, or Jacob does not get a job at Hotton General when he finishes training , and has to move away to get a job.

[Perdita]

Exactly what I thought, not only that, when he got up to leave he walked towards the back door. If he left that way he would have to undo the chain. Hope he remembered to wipe down the front door too. When John came in, did he lock the front door, if not, why did Liam not come in that way. They are becoming very lax with their lack of attention to detail. I presume John drives to appointments in his van, assuming he parks outside why did Liam no see it? Poor show.

I was wondering about that at first but then John is devious enough to park his van out of sight knowing what he was going to do...:ninja:

[lizann]

The story of Sarah's baby seems to have changed, originally Jacob did not particularly want a baby, but agreed to provide sperm for IVF. Now he says both he and Sarah want a baby and seems to he saying they will raise it together, not that he will be a hands off dad, which was the original plan. Kerry talking like Sarah is definitely going to die soon, when the doctors say it is possibly she could live for years. If Jacob and Sarah are not a couple what happens when one of them meets someone else, or Jacob does not get a job at Hotton General when he finishes training , and has to move away to get a job.

I think sarah changed her mind and wants jacob now a hands on dad

[Son of Cain]

I was wondering about that at first but then John is devious enough to park his van out of sight knowing what he was going to do...:ninja:

I am not sure he did know what he was giving to do, because when he found Owen he started to phone, presumably for an ambulance, then on second thoughts seemed to realize what an opportunity it was.

[Son of Cain]

I think sarah changed her mind and wants jacob now a hands on dad

Sarah may have changed her mind but did Jacob, or did he feel pressured into it. It is a big commitment, especially if Sarah dies soon after the birth. It is not what he originally signed up for. Reminds me of two children playing mummies and daddies but with a real baby.

[Perdita]

I am not sure he did know what he was giving to do, because when he found Owen he started to phone, presumably for an ambulance, then on second thoughts seemed to realize what an opportunity it was.

But did he not make sure that Owen was on his list of house calls? I think he was contemplating what to do once he found Owen in whatever state... so I can believe he parked his van out of sight, just to be on the safe side??

[Son of Cain]

But did he not make sure that Owen was on his list of house calls? I think he was contemplating what to do once he found Owen in whatever state... so I can believe he parked his van out of sight, just to be on the safe side??

No, Claudette made a mistake and put his name on both lists, although John did notice this before he left the surgery. He must have hidden his van, otherwise Liam would have seen it, and mentioned it. But I do not think he had already decided to kill Owen, and it was just good fortune, tho' not for Owen, that John found him dead. This is very poorly written, full of plot holes.

Is Emmerdale set in the 1930s with so many people leaving their doors unlocked, and doctors making house calls. I thought doctors stopped visiting in the 1960s or 70s, except for a very few very vulnerable patients, certainly not an otherwise physically fit young man.

[ccahill2]

The story of Sarah's baby seems to have changed, originally Jacob did not particularly want a baby, but agreed to provide sperm for IVF. Now he says both he and Sarah want a baby and seems to he saying they will raise it together, not that he will be a hands off dad, which was the original plan. Kerry talking like Sarah is definitely going to die soon, when the doctors say it is possibly she could live for years. If Jacob and Sarah are not a couple what happens when one of them meets someone else, or Jacob does not get a job at Hotton General when he finishes training , and has to move away to get a job.

They changed their plan when discussing growing up without a parent and not wanting their child to experience that. Jacob agreed to be all in.

[katie hunter]

John has missed a trick here. He should have put the slurry incident, Chas drugging, Cain alcohol poisoning in the suicide note. The police would have bought it all.

Sarah is a spoilt madam, no thought to the impact on her grans marriage. It's all about her. I actually feel sorry for Nate *gulp.

[Son of Cain]

John has missed a trick here. He should have put the slurry incident, Chas drugging, Cain alcohol poisoning in the suicide note. The police would have bought it all.

Sarah is a spoilt madam, no thought to the impact on her grans marriage. It's all about her. I actually feel sorry for Nate *gulp.

When Sarah heard that Mack knew about the surrogacy, her first though was, that Mack would talk Charity out of doing it. Not how it would affect Mack. Selfish, Jacob isn't coming out of this well either, calling Eric evil.

[ccahill2]

I feel sorry for Mack, honestly. He longs for a child and the one he had with Chloe is out of his life. He loved Charity enough to sacrifice his want for a child because of her health, and now she's going to get pregnant again, but not for him (I started watching during the Chloe days, so maybe I have this wrong - let me know if I do).

But regardless, the performances between Mack and Charity today were phenomenal. I never really liked Mack much, but he really moved me today.

[lizann]

I feel sorry for Mack, honestly. He longs for a child and the one he had with Chloe is out of his life. He loved Charity enough to sacrifice his want for a child because of her health, and now she's going to get pregnant again, but not for him (I started watching during the Chloe days, so maybe I have this wrong - let me know if I do).

But regardless, the performances between Mack and Charity today were phenomenal. I never really liked Mack much, but he really moved me today.

i feel for mack too, he wasn't even consulted

[Snagglepus]

Last week when Tracy received Nate's life insurance payout she seemed to be surprised, as if she knew nothing about it.
Surely she would have had to claim it and provide a copy of the death certificate, it is not automatically sent.

[Perdita]

Apologies for this but due to my hospitalisation recently I am missing some bits in the continuity, most of it does not matter to me but was Lydia Dingle's sudden re-appearance explained at all??? Gone for a long time, suddenly she is back??? :hmm:

[johntrevor]

Apologies for this but due to my hospitalisation recently I am missing some bits in the continuity, most of it does not matter to me but was Lydia Dingle's sudden re-appearance explained at all??? Gone for a long time, suddenly she is back??? :hmm:

She was asked by someone, I forget who, if her mother was now ok. So I would assume her mother had been ill and Lydia had been looking after her.

[Perdita]

She was asked by someone, I forget who, if her mother was now ok. So I would assume her mother had been ill and Lydia had been looking after her.

Yes, that was her temporary exit storyline, but she was on her way home when Kim hosted Lydia's 50th birthday party and Lydia had a flat tire on the way home and never made it home for weeks after.... unless we are meant to forget that, she arrived home after the party had finished and we just did not get to see her????

[Son of Cain]

Kim seems to have forgotten Negotiation Lesson #101. Never appear too keen or desperate. For a successful, experienced business woman, she is behaving like an amateur.

[lizann]

john talking to paddy in the forum, will he slip up and mention nate

was joe always a horse rider (not counting dawn ��), robert should have knocked him off

[katie hunter]

Only weeks ago Joe was in a wheelchair recovering from a broken pelvis and now he's riding horses.

Charity just expects Mack to fall into line and accept the surrogacy.

Interesting twist with Paddy and John.

[Son of Cain]

I have always thought of Cain as a realist, so I am surprized that he thinks Liam could have done anything to prevent Owen killing Nate.

[Son of Cain]

Crisp and pickle sandwich, sounds good, must try that sometime.

[lizann]

joe needs slapping down a few pegs

Robert has John figured out but again stupid police

[thestud2k7]

Why has cain and bell competely forgotten that John talked them looking for Nate!!

[lizann]

Why has cain and bell competely forgotten that John talked them looking for Nate!!

yes talked them out of

[Perdita]

yes talked them out of

To be fair, John is very convincing with valid reasoning...will be a while yet I guess before lots of eyes will be opened...:cool:

[johntrevor]

To be fair, John is very convincing with valid reasoning...will be a while yet I guess before lots of eyes will be opened...:cool:

Yes but very much the sooner the better

[Son of Cain]

To be fair, John is very convincing with valid reasoning...will be a while yet I guess before lots of eyes will be opened...:cool:

Funny how Robert's eyes were opened almost as soon as he was back in the village.

[Perdita]

Funny how Robert's eyes were opened almost as soon as he was back in the village.

Some people have a very good radar for other people and of course he wants Aaron back so he is bound to question everything John says/does... but I am sure we are now seeing the beginning of John's downfall :thumbsup:

[katie hunter]

Funny how Robert's eyes were opened almost as soon as he was back in the village.

Mack saw right through him too until the slurry leak.

[katie hunter]

Exactly how many thugs does Joe have on speed dial, ready to do his bidding?

Why didn't the police check for finger prints on the fork or take samples of the blood in the barn? Instead, they asked Joe and he denied it, so case closed.

[Son of Cain]

Exactly how many thugs does Joe have on speed dial, ready to do his bidding?

Why didn't the police check for finger prints on the fork or take samples of the blood in the barn? Instead, they asked Joe and he denied it, so case closed.

Why did Moria let them go, she had a gun. She should have made them sit down and called the police. Then she and Cain have the cheek to criticise the police.

[lizann]

Dawn off to London, Kim in Dubai but Joe has Sam and Lydia and his henchmen

[Son of Cain]

Exactly how many thugs does Joe have on speed dial, ready to do his bidding?

Why didn't the police check for finger prints on the fork or take samples of the blood in the barn? Instead, they asked Joe and he denied it, so case closed.

If Joe has that many thugs on call, why did he not get some of them to see off Shaun and Doctor Crowley?

Check local hospitals for man with pitchfork injury? Pitchfork in the leg in a barn with all sorts of germs must be a high tetanus risk.

[ccahill2]

Why did Moria let them go, she had a gun. She should have made them sit down and called the police. Then she and Cain have the cheek to criticise the police.

I expected her to tell them to remove their masks with threat of gunfire, and hold them until the police got there, but instead she just let them go, identities unknown. Well, at least one of them has an identifying injury, should he turn up.

[Son of Cain]

I expected her to tell them to remove their masks with threat of gunfire, and hold them until the police got there, but instead she just let them go, identities unknown. Well, at least one of them has an identifying injury, should he turn up.

Yes - It is beyond belief that she did not ask them to remove their masks, if only so she would recognise them again. But to let them go, is beyond stupid. If she was scared they would overpower her, she should have told them to unbuckle their belts, and drop their trousers to their ankles. Men do not run or fight well, trying to hold up their trousers with one hand.

[Perdita]

Yes - It is beyond belief that she did not ask them to remove their masks, if only so she would recognise them again. But to let them go, is beyond stupid. If she was scared they would overpower her, she should have told them to unbuckle their belts, and drop their trousers to their ankles. Men do not run or fight well, trying to hold up their trousers with one hand.

All logical and in real life, more than likely would have happened like you describe but not dramatic enough for soapland and now we need to go through a Dingle fallout ....:(

[Son of Cain]

All logical and in real life, more than likely would have happened like you describe but not dramatic enough for soapland and now we need to go through a Dingle fallout ....:(

I do not mind them dragging it out with a bit of drama and mystery, but please present it to us in a credible way, not this old tosh. When Moira was asking PC Swirling what the police were going to do, he really should have turn to her and said "why did you let them go, when you were holding them at gun point".
It was not as if Moira deliberately hit Lydia if you step between someone trying to hit someone else, you are likely to get get punched in the face.

[Perdita]

I do not mind them dragging it out with a bit of drama and mystery, but please present it to us in a credible way, not this old tosh. When Moira was asking PC Swirling what the police were going to do, he really should have turn to her and said "why did you let them go, when you were holding them at gun point".
It was not as if Moira deliberately hit Lydia if you step between someone trying to hit someone else, you are likely to get get punched in the face.

I agree but then I am not a scriptwriter ..

[Son of Cain]

I agree but then I am not a scriptwriter ..

I am sure you would write better more credible stories if you were.

[lizann]

does lydia not know what came out at her party what joe had done, why is she now on his side

[Perdita]

does lydia not know what came out at her party what joe had done, why is she now on his side

I am still puzzled about why she was absent for so long... she was meant to be on her way home when Kim organised the surprise party but never made it due to a flat tire..... was not seen for weeks after that until a couple of weeks ago.. I think I missed whether it was mentioned why she came back so much later or was it just ignored?

[lizann]

I am still puzzled about why she was absent for so long... she was meant to be on her way home when Kim organised the surprise party but never made it due to a flat tire..... was not seen for weeks after that until a couple of weeks ago.. I think I missed whether it was mentioned why she came back so much later or was it just ignored?

sam did say she was bad again with her mother, who was rude to her as was her sister who could have looked after the mother, it seemed a rushed lame exit storyline for her

[Son of Cain]

does lydia not know what came out at her party what joe had done, why is she now on his side

Not only that but has she forgotten that he tried to knock their house down, with some of the family still inside it?

[ccahill2]

Have they forgotten that he had their brother stabbed so that he could illegally harvest his kidney for himself?

[lizann]

Not only that but has she forgotten that he tried to knock their house down, with some of the family still inside it?

oh yes forgot that too , was lydia around for that, sam sure was as noah and samson were inside, graham saved them

ray looking for more weed so has dylan working for him

was belle comparing cain to tom , belle was against joe too, has dawn talked him up to belle now, it is like their memories are different

[Son of Cain]

Why does Ray not grow his own weed? The amount of Cannabis Lewis was growing would barely have filled a carrier bag when it was dried and the stalks removed. The business of drug dealing is like a chain, not some random wandering about just hoping to come across someone growing their own.

[Perdita]

Why does Ray not grow his own weed? The amount of Cannabis Lewis was growing would barely have filled a carrier bag when it was dried and the stalks removed. The business of drug dealing is like a chain, not some random wandering about just hoping to come across someone growing their own.

The 1st year student scriptwriters are running out of ideas and they have not yet learned how to do proper detailed research, is my guess...

[Perdita]

Robert is like Todd in Weatherfield, he needs to learn to shut up and gather more evidence on John before opening his big mouth!!

[Son of Cain]

Robert is like Todd in Weatherfield, he needs to learn to shut up and gather more evidence on John before opening his big mouth!!

To late to gather more evidence now. Even if John is unmasked, Robert's is going down for cracking his skull with a large spanner. Is this the last we see of Robert?

[Perdita]

To late to gather more evidence now. Even if John is unmasked, Robert's is going down for cracking his skull with a large spanner. Is this the last we see of Robert?

I am under the impression that the character is back long term and just to try to cause trouble for John and then leave does not make sense. And he is needed to expose John for who he really is.. ??

[Son of Cain]

I am under the impression that the character is back long term and just to try to cause trouble for John and then leave does not make sense. And he is needed to expose John for who he really is.. ??

I also thought he was back long term, but if that is the case he cannot be going to jail, wonder how they would write him getting away with bashing John?

[Perdita]

I also thought he was back long term, but if that is the case he cannot be going to jail, wonder how they would write him getting away with bashing John?

John maybe going to be playing the saviour again by letting Robert go for counselling rather than reporting him to the police??

[lizann]

John maybe going to be playing the saviour again by letting Robert go for counselling rather than reporting him to the police??

yes I think John wants to be the hero, saviour so will let Robert go for Vic

[Perdita]

yes I think John wants to be the hero, saviour so will let Robert go for Vic

Just depends for how long after seeing tonights episode ...:hmm: :ninja:

[johntrevor]

Just depends for how long after seeing tonights episode ...:hmm: :ninja:

As Robert has said he is back for the long term surely it makes sense that he will finally, at some point, bring down murderous John

[Perdita]

As Robert has said he is back for the long term surely it makes sense that he will finally, at some point, bring down murderous John

My bet is it will be in an explosive, out of this world, never been done before Christmas episode ...

[ccahill2]

John was strangling Robert before Robert hit him. I was shocked that no one noticed the redness or swelling around his neck, Granted, John did release him and he did hit him in anger, but did anyone else realize what John was capable of?

[Snagglepus]

My bet is it will be in an explosive, out of this world, never been done before Christmas episode ...
With flashbacks to Matt Skilbeck mending t'dry stone wall in top field.

[Son of Cain]

With flashbacks to Matt Skilbeck mending t'dry stone wall in top field.

Oh! The good old days, I do miss them. - Matt Skilbeck, whatever happened to him.

[Perdita]

Oh! The good old days, I do miss them. - Matt Skilbeck, whatever happened to him.

Went to run a sheep farm in Norfolk, remarried Dolly too, I think..

[thestud2k7]

I think John’s down fall will be the focus of the big week in October

[Son of Cain]

I think John’s down fall will be the focus of the big week in October

Let's hope so. I really could not bear it, if it drags on till Christmas

[johntrevor]

Oh! The good old days, I do miss them. - Matt Skilbeck, whatever happened to him.

It's a pity there is no matriarch like Annie still around, she would have sorted them all out in a single episode, including scheming John.

[Son of Cain]

Robert says he could sell the field for enough money to last a life time, only if it is a short life. How much did he give Moira for it, because the amount of Cannabis wasn't worth that much?

[katie hunter]

Robert says he could sell the field for enough money to last a life time, only if it is a short life. How much did he give Moira for it, because the amount of Cannabis wasn't worth that much?

It didn't look like more than a van load. They havent actually said how much Robert paid for the field but Moira said it was a lifeline. I think Robert is referring to what Kim has offered him for the field?

[Son of Cain]

Watching the video of Robert hitting John with that spanner, he should be dead or at least have a fractured skull. Yet here he is walking about without even a bandage, it really should be death by blunt force trauma. At the very least I would have expected a "Looney Tunes" type bump.

[Snagglepus]

Watching the video of Robert hitting John with that spanner, he should be dead or at least have a fractured skull. Yet here he is walking about without even a bandage, it really should be death by blunt force trauma. At the very least I would have expected a "Looney Tunes" type bump.

You are forgetting the magical skills of the staff at Hotten General. I think Lazarus was once a patient there.

[Son of Cain]

You are forgetting the magical skills of the staff at Hotten General. I think Lazarus was once a patient there.

Not just Lazarus, but Dracula and Frankenstein too.

[tammyy2j]

Was Charity already in the family way for Sarah and now miscarried, fast working eggs

[ccahill2]

I was fearing that Emmerdale would take a note from an American soap where a woman miscarried the implanted embryo and got pregnant by her boyfriend, without telling the friend she was surrogate for. She gave up her own baby but then wanted her back some months later.

So, I was very relieved that Sarah found out right away and that Charity's plans to let her down slowly didn't work out.

Those eggs were very fast. It's only been two weeks or so!

[Perdita]

Those eggs were very fast. It's only been two weeks or so!

Remember, this is soapland where one minute you fly out of a window breaking your pelvis, 3 weeks later you are riding a horse..for example... and female soapland charaters have a very special talent where getting pregnant is concerned...

[ccahill2]

I actually didn't expect the miscarriage, because Charity's fall didn't look very hard or tramautic. However there is a high rate of first trimester miscarriages, often before the woman even knows that she is pregnant, so losing the embryo isn't a far reach.

What is a bit disturbing to me is that although a light fall, Charity was blaming it on Mack for insisting she go out. Is she supposed to live in a bubble for nine months? Pregnant women do go out. But then, she wanted to cover it up. I'm not much of a Mack fan, but was totally Team Mack with that discussion. I'm just so glad that Sarah figured it out at the start. As with all secrets, the longer you wait, the harder it is for the other person.

[katie hunter]

Sarah is so selfish, can't she even pretend to be concerned about Charitys wellbeing? It's all about her.

[lizann]

Sarah is so selfish, can't she even pretend to be concerned about Charitys wellbeing? It's all about her.

very annoying

[ccahill2]

Wow! Truth! She isn't even tending to a devastated Charity who was sacrificing her body for her and instead blaming her on not being bedridden for nine months and daring to go for a walk. I've tried to feel for her, but yesterday, she was a complete narcissist, pure and simple. How about making her some tea and grieving together?

Still what I suspect is that Charity didn't miscarry, which will cause concerns because of the drinking binge that she went on and Sarah will be freaking out at her for endangering the baby that way.

[Perdita]

Playing Devil's advocate here... She will have been in shock and disappointment so maybe give her some slack but... nawww.. she could have still shown compassion to Charity ..

[lizann]

no one wants vanity again, enough with the gays

[katie hunter]

no one wants vanity again, enough with the gays

The fandom do 🙄

I like Charity and Mack as a couple, hopefully there is no reunion for Vanessa and Charity.

Ross couldn't keep his trousers on for 5 minutes.

[lizann]

The fandom do ��

I like Charity and Mack as a couple, hopefully there is no reunion for Vanessa and Charity.

Ross couldn't keep his trousers on for 5 minutes.

damn fandom, vanessa brings nothing to the show

manpreet jumping ross again after what he said, she very horny, are herself and liam self prescribing

[Perdita]

no one wants vanity again, enough with the gays

I agree but only because I do not think there is the slightest hint of chemistry between them, there was not to start with, there is not now...

[ccahill2]

All I could think of was Suzi was killed off for this?

[johntrevor]

All I could think of was Suzi was killed off for this?

Well Michelle Hardwick who plays Vanessa has a baby with series producer Kate Brooks, so read into that what you like.

[lizann]

Well Michelle Hardwick who plays Vanessa has a baby with series producer Kate Brooks, so read into that what you like.

so job for life for a boring character

[Perdita]

Our pre-school scriptwriters have missed their afternoon nap and carried on working despite being too tired....

[ccahill2]

Wow that scene with Vinny was horribly unpleasant. It is a real issue, though.

At least we got to balance it out with some wonderful scenes with Ruby and Manpreet. I actually liked them together. A lot.

[Son of Cain]

Wow that scene with Vinny was horribly unpleasant. It is a real issue, though.

At least we got to balance it out with some wonderful scenes with Ruby and Manpreet. I actually liked them together. A lot.

Horribly unpleasant as it was, I wonder how realistic it was. We did not see the actual attack, but it looked as if Vinny offered no resistance. I could accept that when his father beat him, but he is at least 20 pounds heavier than Mike. All the scrapyards I have ever visited are run by guys you would not want to take liberties with. I would have expected to see at least a few bruises on Mike. Let's hope the script writers now sign Vinny up to the local Karate or Ju jitsu club.

Where was Chip?

[lizann]

did vinny meet mike on paddy's helpline, that john is on , did vinny meet him and show him his home

[Son of Cain]

did vinny meet mike on paddy's helpline, that john is on , did vinny meet him and show him his home

I do not think so, but I think he got the idea of looking for help on-line after speaking to Paddy and learning he was on the helpline.

[lizann]

vinny should ask billy or ross or aaron for fighting tips and help

[Son of Cain]

vinny should ask billy or ross or aaron for fighting tips and help

If he had squared up to Mike the way he squared up to Kammy, he would've been OK.

[lizann]

kammy getting blamed for nothing, shame on vinny lying

well did not expect another charity ross bunk up

[Perdita]

well did not expect another charity ross bunk up

When did that happen? Have I missed an episode???

[Son of Cain]

When did that happen? Have I missed an episode???

The only thing you missed was the flash of inspiration in the writng room.

[Perdita]

The only thing you missed was the flash of inspiration in the writng room.

I saw Charity talking to Ross in yesterday's episode and telling him that the baby has nothing to do with him... I thought why would it? Definitely missed them getting very close yet again... what is it with the Charity character that she cannot stay faithful to any of her partners???

[lizann]

When did that happen? Have I missed an episode???

the flashbacks suggested vanessa kicked drunk charity out after their kiss, she saw drunk ross kissed him got drunk more with him and they hooked up butwhere, he has no home since moira was kicking him out and leaving him without a job

[ccahill2]

I'm glad you confirmed that this was out of the vapor. I thought that I was sleeping on an episode. They took this right out of the General Hospital playbook. Implanted embryo is miscarried, subsequent sex gets the woman pregnant, and then she has to give up a baby that she knows is hers rather than hurt the other person, until she can't hold back any longer and devastates them.

I really thought Emmerdale was better than that.

[Son of Cain]

I'm glad you confirmed that this was out of the vapor. I thought that I was sleeping on an episode. They took this right out of the General Hospital playbook. Implanted embryo is miscarried, subsequent sex gets the woman pregnant, and then she has to give up a baby that she knows is hers rather than hurt the other person, until she can't hold back any longer and devastates them.

I really thought Emmerdale was better than that.

Chances are she could not get away with a deception. Since Falconi Anemia is an inherited bone marrow disorder, DNA and other tests would be carried out after the birth. Which I am pretty sure would expose the truth.

[Son of Cain]

the flashbacks suggested vanessa kicked drunk charity out after their kiss, she saw drunk ross kissed him got drunk more with him and they hooked up butwhere, he has no home since moira was kicking him out and leaving him without a job

A quick knee trembler up against a tree?

[Son of Cain]

I'm glad you confirmed that this was out of the vapor. I thought that I was sleeping on an episode. They took this right out of the General Hospital playbook. Implanted embryo is miscarried, subsequent sex gets the woman pregnant, and then she has to give up a baby that she knows is hers rather than hurt the other person, until she can't hold back any longer and devastates them.

I really thought Emmerdale was better than that.

Looking forward to that.

[Son of Cain]

On second thoughts I am beginning to wonder if Charity being pregnant by Ross is a red herring. The implant was less than a month ago, so if Charity did not miscarry that would mean that she is still pregnant with Sarah's embryo. I believe that implantation has to happen at a certain point in a woman's cycle, so the earliest a second attempt could be made, is a month after the first. Yet here we are, less than three weeks later, back to try again. I do know but I would have thought a reputable clinic would want to wait a bit longer, but maybe not?

[lizann]

Chances are she could not get away with a deception. Since Falconi Anemia is an inherited bone marrow disorder, DNA and other tests would be carried out after the birth. Which I am pretty sure would expose the truth.

yes it will come out

[Dennis tanner]

Wow! Truth! She isn't even tending to a devastated Charity who was sacrificing her body for her and instead blaming her on not being bedridden for nine months and daring to go for a walk. I've tried to feel for her, but yesterday, she was a complete narcissist, pure and simple. How about making her some tea and grieving together?

Still what I suspect is that Charity didn't miscarry, which will cause concerns because of the drinking binge that she went on and Sarah will be freaking out at her for endangering the baby that way.
Agree with all that. A spoilt little madam

[katie hunter]

Strange writing for Mack. In one scene he is on board with the surrogacy, the next he isn't. I guess the writers are trying to show that he's conflicted but it seems like some of the scenes are on a loop.

Robron reunion 🙄 Is John still bugging Victoria's house?

[Son of Cain]

Strange writing for Mack. In one scene he is on board with the surrogacy, the next he isn't. I guess the writers are trying to show that he's conflicted but it seems like some of the scenes are on a loop.

Robron reunion 🙄 Is John still bugging Victoria's house?

Probably part of a plot for Mack to find out Charity slept with Ross.

Is no one in this village ever faithful?

[Perdita]

Strange writing for Mack. In one scene he is on board with the surrogacy, the next he isn't. I guess the writers are trying to show that he's conflicted but it seems like some of the scenes are on a loop.

Robron reunion �� Is John still bugging Victoria's house?
I was wondering about that when they were in bed together ... also the phone call from John, was the phone accidentally answered???

[lizann]

i find mack funny with aaron

[Son of Cain]

Will Gabby do the decent thing and warn Moira about Joe?

[lizann]

Will Gabby do the decent thing and warn Moira about Joe?

i hope so or invest in the farm to help

[katie hunter]

Strange that John would be so careless to leave his photo album lying around for anyone to find.

Why can't Joe be his next victim?

I hope Gabby does the right thing but would she really betray Kim?

[Son of Cain]

Strange that John would be so careless to leave his photo album lying around for anyone to find.

Why can't Joe be his next victim?

I hope Gabby does the right thing but would she really betray Kim?

Even stranger that it was lying in the front of the van, surely he would keep it somewhere in the back.

[Perdita]

Even stranger that it was lying in the front of the van, surely he would keep it somewhere in the back.

I think he picked it up from where he had hidden it and put it in the front to maybe get rid of it when passing a suitable place???

[Perdita]

I think he picked it up from where he had hidden it and put it in the front to maybe get rid of it when passing a suitable place???

And of course, it might have just been one of those co-incidental incidents... :P

[Son of Cain]

And of course, it might have just been one of those co-incidental incidents... :P

As parkerman would say. - If he wanted rid of it it, why did he not burn it with the other stuff he burnt in the scrap yard. How did John know Mack had seen the photo we did not see him, catching Mack looking at the album.

Note to Mack (too late now) when someone is trying to cause you harm, and you knock them to the ground, you make sure they do not get up again.

[Son of Cain]

Vinny has to go. He is just TOO ANNOYING now.

[Son of Cain]

How much money does Victoria have put by for a rainy day? I thought Moira's fine was HUGE. I am sure there has been times in the past when Victoria was short of money, now she seems to have a lot in the bank.

[lizann]

How much money does Victoria have put by for a rainy day? I thought Moira's fine was HUGE. I am sure there has been times in the past when Victoria was short of money, now she seems to have a lot in the bank.

Annie's inheritance but she bought Betty's house and sold the food van , did Jack leave inheritance?

[lizann]

the writers seem to like to steal plot scenes from horror films

[Perdita]

Vinny has to go. He is just TOO ANNOYING now.

I think he is the wrong character to portray somebody confused about his sexuality... or it is the acting but it just does not work for me...

[thestud2k7]

I think he is the wrong character to portray somebody confused about his sexuality... or it is the acting but it just does not work for me...

I think why I am struggling with this storyline is vinny haven’t shown any interest in men before

[Perdita]

the writers seem to like to steal plot scenes from horror films

Sooo.... is he dead or will we get a surprise survival? Although I am sure John would have made sure Mack is dead??? Somebody must spot the blood in the van.. this must be the end of John "Robin Hood"... please!!!

[Son of Cain]

the writers seem to like to steal plot scenes from horror films

It was a bit graphic for pre-watershed.

[Son of Cain]

Sooo.... is he dead or will we get a surprise survival? Although I am sure John would have made sure Mack is dead??? Somebody must spot the blood in the van.. this must be the end of John "Robin Hood"... please!!!

Is Celia auditioning for the Little John part with that staff she carries? Why on earth would be put the body in the van, he was in a wood, I am sure he would have a spade in his van.

[Perdita]

Is Celia auditioning for the Little John part with that staff she carries? Why on earth would be put the body in the van, he was in a wood, I am sure he would have a spade in his van.
So he can be found out of course :p:

[Son of Cain]

So he can be found out of course :p:

If this story IS dragged out until Christmas, then he is not going to be found out, at least not now. It makes no sense whatsoever, if Aaron is in the van with him, driving off to where ever they are going, how is he going to remove it? Apart from anything else why would he want to leave forensic evidence in the back of the van?

[Son of Cain]

Actually I think John would have made a good Robin Hood, all he needs is a Lincoln Green jacket and a little pointed hat. I think there is a touch of the Errol Flynn about him.

[Perdita]

Actually I think John would have made a good Robin Hood, all he needs is a Lincoln Green jacket and a little pointed hat. I think there is a touch of the Errol Flynn about him.

:rotfl:

[katie hunter]

I would like to think that Mack was alive but if he was surely he would have got out of the van overnight.

Johns collection of mobile phones will be his undoing.

[ccahill2]

Well that was upsetting. It looked like John buried him under leaves and then set them on fire.

However, there was an odd camera angle for those scenes - rather than just showing the scene, the camera seemed to film through the hollow of a tree. I don't know whether that means there was a witness watching everything or it was Mack himself watching everything and John just burned his bow and arrow and the towel that he wrapped Mack in.

I never used to like Mack because of how he was two timing Chloe and Charity, but I've really come to care for him and his kindness to Sarah. I could understand his having issue with Charity being willing to have Sarah's baby but not his. And with the real villains of late like Joe and John, he's a puppy dog. I'll be sorry if he was really murdered.

I also wanted to point out the cryptic text to Charity. We know that the killer texted Tracy when Nate was already dead. I'm hoping that someone points out that Mack dumping charity by phone is suspicious.

[Perdita]

So John hit a deer which explains the blood in the van after he touched it... why is Aaron not wanting to know how much damage was done to the van??? :hmm: :confused:

[Snagglepus]

Johns collection of mobile phones will be his undoing.
John has been lucky in that the phones were not locked.

[Son of Cain]

I would like to think that Mack was alive but if he was surely he would have got out of the van overnight.

Johns collection of mobile phones will be his undoing.

If these phone are used to send fake text messages, I believe the police can obtain GPS telling them where the messages are sent from. I am surprized they did not do this when Tracey got the message supposedly from Nate.

[Son of Cain]

So John hit a deer which explains the blood in the van after he touched it... why is Aaron not wanting to know how much damage was done to the van??? :hmm: :confused:

First thing I thought - maybe just because Aaron is not very bright. I have seen a car that hit a deer and it was wrecked. Perhaps in John's case it was a very small deer.

[Son of Cain]

Well that was upsetting. It looked like John buried him under leaves and then set them on fire.

However, there was an odd camera angle for those scenes - rather than just showing the scene, the camera seemed to film through the hollow of a tree. I don't know whether that means there was a witness watching everything or it was Mack himself watching everything and John just burned his bow and arrow and the towel that he wrapped Mack in.

I never used to like Mack because of how he was two timing Chloe and Charity, but I've really come to care for him and his kindness to Sarah. I could understand his having issue with Charity being willing to have Sarah's baby but not his. And with the real villains of late like Joe and John, he's a puppy dog. I'll be sorry if he was really murdered.

I also wanted to point out the cryptic text to Charity. We know that the killer texted Tracy when Nate was already dead. I'm hoping that someone points out that Mack dumping charity by phone is suspicious.

I think the way it was filmed from a hollow tree was just an artistic attempt to add an element of mystery and drama. I assume he buried Mack then used the leaves, to hide the fresh soil exposed by the digging. I do not think that was smoke but early morning mist. I wish they would devote the same amount of time thinking about plots as they did to setting up that shot. Doesn't John know bodies buried in the woods are always found by dog walkers.

[ccahill2]

[/B]
If these phone are used to send fake text messages, I believe the police can obtain GPS telling them where the messages are sent from. I am surprized they did not do this when Tracey got the message supposedly from Nate.

Just like on American soaps, they have to dumb down the characters to fit the plot they want to tell.

[lizann]

[/B]
If these phone are used to send fake text messages, I believe the police can obtain GPS telling them where the messages are sent from. I am surprized they did not do this when Tracey got the message supposedly from Nate.

john planted nates phone in traceys

[tammyy2j]

Mack is not going to ghost Moira, I can understand he is angry at Charity

I hate pompous arrogant Joe, imagine if Lydia and Sam quit because of him, they never liked him before , Kim is away on too many Dubai trips

That house looked creepy

[Son of Cain]

john planted nates phone in traceys
Yes he did, I forgot about that, this is what happens when these stories drag on along side other complex tales. Where was he when he sent the text to Tracey pretending he was Nate?

[Son of Cain]

Sarah really has no sensitivity, the way she spoke to Charity.

[Son of Cain]

What on earth is this deer hunting about? What was John talking about when he returned to the cottage with his bow and said he could not find "IT"? Are him and Aaron going to eat a whole deer? Apart from the fact that hunting with a bow is illegal in the UK I am pretty sure you need some sort of permission to kill a deer.

[Snagglepus]

What on earth is this deer hunting about? What was John talking about when he returned to the cottage with his bow and said he could not find "IT"? Are him and Aaron going to eat a whole deer? Apart from the fact that hunting with a bow is illegal in the UK I am pretty sure you need some sort of permission to kill a deer.

John told Aaron that the blood on the van was from a deer that ran out in front of him then ran away. Aaron thinks the deer would be hurt so John has gone to look for one.

[Perdita]

John told Aaron that the blood on the van was from a deer that ran out in front of him then ran away. Aaron thinks the deer would be hurt so John has gone to look for one.

Ridiculous, who in real life would do that? Aaron had no problem believing him so ne need to provide him with evidence?? And how will John explain the crossbow and arrow ??? And still no damage to the van.... This all just does not make any sense at all...

[Son of Cain]

John told Aaron that the blood on the van was from a deer that ran out in front of him then ran away. Aaron thinks the deer would be hurt so John has gone to look for one.

It is starting to make sense now, but I did not see the connection, I don't think they made it clear. I remember he told Aaron about the deer hitting the van, but I feel as if I have missed a scene. Well done you for spotting it.

[Son of Cain]

Ridiculous, who in real life would do that? Aaron had no problem believing him so ne need to provide him with evidence?? And how will John explain the crossbow and arrow ??? And still no damage to the van.... This all just does not make any sense at all...

More and more I believe that with drama, comes the death of sense.

[johntrevor]

Ridiculous, who in real life would do that? Aaron had no problem believing him so ne need to provide him with evidence?? And how will John explain the crossbow and arrow ??? And still no damage to the van.... This all just does not make any sense at all...

Pretty much like all of this so called story

[Son of Cain]

Ridiculous, who in real life would do that? Aaron had no problem believing him so ne need to provide him with evidence?? And how will John explain the crossbow and arrow ??? And still no damage to the van.... This all just does not make any sense at all...

If I had committed murder and was so far getting away with it. Would I risk getting arrested for a lesser crime? No! I would not.

[Perdita]

It is starting to make sense now, but I did not see the connection, I don't think they made it clear. I remember he told Aaron about the deer hitting the van, but I feel as if I have missed a scene. Well done you for spotting it.

Yes, he explained the blood in the van with having touched a deer that ran into the van and then ran off and he was upset that he had hurt it but he could not find it.. I presume it is now a day later from when that was supposed to have happened... would he really find an injured or maybe dead deer? Could be anywhere in those woods...

[Son of Cain]

Yes, he explained the blood in the van with having touched a deer that ran into the van and then ran off and he was upset that he had hurt it but he could not find it.. I presume it is now a day later from when that was supposed to have happened... would he really find an injured or maybe dead deer? Could be anywhere in those woods...

When I said it made sense, I meant that I understood why he was walking about the woods with a bow and arrow, I certainly did not mean the that the whole sorry tale made sense.

Do these deer belong to Kim? If they do, and she finds out, I hope she hunts him down and has him hung drawn and quartered while slowly roasting over an open fire.

[lizann]

When I said it made sense, I meant that I understood why he was walking about the woods with a bow and arrow, I certainly did not mean the that the whole sorry tale made sense.

Do these deer belong to Kim? If they do, and she finds out, I hope she hunts him down and has him hung drawn and quartered while slowly roasting over an open fire.

is the holiday cottage not far away from the village so not kims

[Perdita]

is the holiday cottage not far away from the village so not kims

I am under the impression it is some distance away

[lizann]

does john own the cottage, has mack locked away?

the sheep rustling was fun to watch

[Perdita]

does john own the cottage, has mack locked away?

the sheep rustling was fun to watch

Why would John keep Mack locked away somewhere? Has he treated his wounds, if so, otherwise I am sure Mack would have died of the injury from the arrow

[Son of Cain]

I am getting a lot of Error 503 This Page is Not Working messages. I could not log in all day yesterday. Then after writing a post this morning could not submit it. Is it only me?

[Son of Cain]

Why would John keep Mack locked away somewhere? Has he treated his wounds, if so, otherwise I am sure Mack would have died of the injury from the arrow

Just when we think this story cannot get any worse it does. Now they tease us that Mack might still be alive. If he was, John must be keeping him sedated, otherwise he would have heard Aaron outside the door. Why should Aaron think a locked door in a holiday let is dodgy, I have stayed in places with a locked door, it's not unusual. This is probably a contrivance for Aaron to find something out about John.
The cottage must be near Emmerdale if Aaron wants to live there, unless he is going to give up the scrapyard.

[Son of Cain]

Moira going all Rambo. Was she going to stab Dylan with that fork? If you threaten someone with a weapon like that, you have to be prepared to use it, otherwise you just look silly.
Not sure Chas is in a position to judge Dylan, considering her behavior in the past. Everything in April's world is very black and white. I was hoping Paddy was going to stand up to Chas, and I think he might have if Mandy had not got involved.

[Son of Cain]

I cannot understand why Ross seems so desperate for Charity's baby to he his. He does not have a decent well paid job, so how could he afford mantainance, does he even pay for Moses?

[johntrevor]

I am getting a lot of Error 503 This Page is Not Working messages. I could not log in all day yesterday. Then after writing a post this morning could not submit it. Is it only me?

No it's not only you. I was locked out completely all day yesterday.

[Son of Cain]

Most surprising, John buried the deer, or he said he did, why? - Leave it as food for foxes and crows.

[Perdita]

I am getting a lot of Error 503 This Page is Not Working messages. I could not log in all day yesterday. Then after writing a post this morning could not submit it. Is it only me?

No, yesterday locked out all day until 19:30, lots of Error 503, most days. Had one this morning but was able to log in after half hour or so

[Perdita]

No, yesterday locked out all day until 19:30, lots of Error 503, most days. Had one this morning but was able to log in after half hour or so

Just had another hour of being locked out :(

[Son of Cain]

Just had another hour of being locked out :(

Not so bad if you cannot get in, but very annoying if you write a post then get locked out when you go to submit.

I remember this happening a lot a while ago then problem seemed to go away. Did they find out the caused it and can they do the same again?

[Perdita]

Not so bad if you cannot get in, but very annoying if you write a post then get locked out when you go to submit.

I remember this happening a lot a while ago then problem seemed to go away. Did they find out the caused it and can they do the same again?

I do not know ...

[ccahill2]

I always loved Moira and love her coming through for her child, although it was a bit over the top.

The new neighbor is a great find. Very good acting and I really like how she changed her tune when she got to know Moira. I hope it's real, because the two work really well together.

Now as for Anthony, I do hope that he ends up also being in that dungeon, because I think that Ruby is having a hard time living with herself, and a better closure will be having Stephanie offering DNA evidence to prove one of the rapes of a teenager.

But my heart sung with joy seeing Mack today.

[katie hunter]

I am getting a lot of Error 503 This Page is Not Working messages. I could not log in all day yesterday. Then after writing a post this morning could not submit it. Is it only me?

Its happening quite a lot for me.

[katie hunter]

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[katie hunter]

So pleased that Mack is alive and that Charity didn't sleep with Ross again.

Why is John keeping him there?

Aaron is too easily distracted, he forgets that John has lied to him again.

[Son of Cain]

So pleased that Mack is alive and that Charity didn't sleep with Ross again.

Why is John keeping him there?

Aaron is too easily distracted, he forgets that John has lied to him again.

Not sure I am glad Mack is alive, as it means this story makes even less sense. Very handy to have a nuclear bunker in the woods, but does he mean to keep Mack there forever, as he cannot afford to let him go. Aaron never was the sharpest tool in the box. Every scene we see them together there seems to be less chemistry.
Now that we know John owns the cottage will they move there pernamently.

[Perdita]

Not sure I am glad Mack is alive, as it means this story makes even less sense. Very handy to have a nuclear bunker in the woods, but does he mean to keep Mack there forever, as he cannot afford to let him go. Aaron never was the sharpest tool in the box. Every scene we see them together there seems to be less chemistry.
Now that we know John owns the cottage will they move there pernamently.

I think the fact he did not kill Mack nor the deer is to show that John really is no killer, Nate was an accident, John just wants to be the hero by rescuing people and animals (he saved a dog as a child according to the newspaper article in the frame in his old bedroom). He said that he cannot stand anyone suffer. He will probably be diagnosed with Hero Syndrome when he gets found out which I hope will be before anything happens to Mack....

[johntrevor]

I think the fact he did not kill Mack nor the deer is to show that John really is no killer, Nate was an accident, John just wants to be the hero by rescuing people and animals (he saved a dog as a child according to the newspaper article in the frame in his old bedroom). He said that he cannot stand anyone suffer. He will probably be diagnosed with Hero Syndrome when he gets found out which I hope will be before anything happens to Mack....

Don't know if I would describe John as not really a killer, I think he is about half a step away from being a crazy seral killer. We know nothing about what he did during his army career, and what actually happened to Aidan.

[Perdita]

Don't know if I would describe John as not really a killer, I think he is about half a step away from being a crazy seral killer. We know nothing about what he did during his army career, and what actually happened to Aidan.

As far as we know he only killed Nate and that was an accident. Aidan suffered a heart attack, we never saw if John managed to inject his drip... I think he could not do it and we never really found out if Aidan died from the heart attack?? I really think John became a medic in the Army so he could help others but he needs the hero aspect to make him feel worthful. I think we have seen enough now of his character so Emmerdale, please bring it to an end now.

[Snagglepus]

The new neighbour is a great find. Very good acting and I really like how she changed her tune when she got to know Moira. I hope it's real, because the two work really well together.
We haven't seen her working on her own farm, what does she do, does she do it single handed.
She did not look comfortable when Moira was telling her about Holly, and her dislike of drugs.
Did she say she had a son? Is it Ray? I don't think I have seen them together.

[Son of Cain]

I think the fact he did not kill Mack nor the deer is to show that John really is no killer, Nate was an accident, John just wants to be the hero by rescuing people and animals (he saved a dog as a child according to the newspaper article in the frame in his old bedroom). He said that he cannot stand anyone suffer. He will probably be diagnosed with Hero Syndrome when he gets found out which I hope will be before anything happens to Mack....

You might be right, but the way this story is being told leaves a lot to be desired. As for the deer Audio Desscription said the deer "shuddered and falls" after he released the arrow, so even they thought it was dead. As for Mack I doubt John has that good an aim that he could shoot to wound Mack in the shoulder, and the rock, did he bring it down hard, on the ground beside his head. Then as he got in the van to leave the village, he looked at the body and said "I guess I really am the bad guy" It's almost as if they changed their minds and thought, no let's not kill Mack after all. Dramatic twists are OK but they should be believable, this is just ridiculous.

[Son of Cain]

We haven't seen her working on her own farm, what does she do, does she do it single handed.
She did not look comfortable when Moira was telling her about Holly, and her dislike of drugs.
Did she say she had a son? Is it Ray? I don't think I have seen them together.

I think the way that Celia has been introduced has not been done well. I get the impression that she has not recently move to the area. Yet we have never seen or heard of her before, in a place like Emmerdale where everyone seems to know each other, and their business, Moira did not know if she was married.
I had not thought Ray could be her son, that would be a believable twist, except her does not look mixed race.

[Snagglepus]

I had not thought Ray could be her son, that would be a believable twist, except he does not look mixed race.

That's what happens when I think ahead of myself, I never thought of that, it was just that they came to our screens about the same time.

[Son of Cain]

That's what happens when I think ahead of myself, I never thought of that, it was just that they came to our screens about the same time.

Could have been a good idea if they had used another actor. Certainly had more scope than some of their ideas.

[johntrevor]

I think the way that Celia has been introduced has not been done well. I get the impression that she has not recently move to the area. Yet we have never seen or heard of her before, in a place like Emmerdale where everyone seems to know each other, and their business, Moira did not know if she was married.
I had not thought Ray could be her son, that would be a believable twist, except her does not look mixed race.

She was the woman that owned the dog that attacked Paddy

[Son of Cain]

She was the woman that owned the dog that attacked Paddy

That's true, she was, but I didn't get the Impression she was new to the area.

[Son of Cain]

Why DID John kill the deer. It is not as if he showed it to Aaron to back up his story about hitting it with the van. He told Aaron he found, it and buried it, but he could have said that without killing it. Unless he thought Aaron might have asked him to dig it up, so he could see it, as proof (very unlikely). The only purpose it seems was to confuse us.