Emmerdale - Current Episode Discussion - III

[Son of Cain]

Showing what for some is reality can be very disturbing to watch, might be a while before you can watch a lighter episode ...


bear could barely stand and move and next was back up, out working, you'd think he would have knocked out Ray, it looked only celia and Ray at the farm overseeing the chickens and turkeys

Bear is a bit like SuperMack all over again.This is a serious subject but it deserves better treatment than it is being given here. This like a budget version which dilutes any serious message that they are trying to deliver. The bit that makes me laugh is the zombie like characters walking about in the background carrying bags of chichen feed. A Down's Syndrome man added in the name of diversity, I find this bit patronizing. Ray has now become all assertive and bullying instead of nice Ray trying to sweet talk April into doing things she does not want to do. There is just nothing about this story that feels authentic.

[Perdita]

Bear is a bit like SuperMack all over again.This is a serious subject but it deserves better treatment than it is being given here. This like a budget version which dilutes any serious message that they are trying to deliver. The bit that makes me laugh is the zombie like characters walking about in the background carrying bags of chichen feed. A Down's Syndrome man added in the name of diversity, I find this bit patronizing. Ray has now become all assertive and bullying instead of nice Ray trying to sweet talk April into doing things she does not want to do. There is just nothing about this story that feels authentic.

I think Ray is like this now as he is being supervised by his mother who he clearly is afraid of, quite rightly so too. I totally agree with your other comments..

[lizann]

hopefully now we will see robert go get seb

[katie hunter]

So Kev is Lewis' father. What are the chances:rolleyes:

[Perdita]

So Kev is Lewis' father. What are the chances:rolleyes:

Will not be long before that becomes common knowledge ... and Kev will be a devoted father..

[lizann]

So Kev is Lewis' father. What are the chances:rolleyes:

did emma turn him gay or is he bi?

[Perdita]

did emma turn him gay or is he bi?

Emma only gave birth to him, she had him adopted straight away so his sexuality has nothing to do with her

[Son of Cain]

So Kev is Lewis' father. What are the chances:rolleyes:

If Kev is Lewis's father this will be the proof I need, that Emmerdale is inside a "Dome". Explaining why long lost relatives can never escape the village.

[Son of Cain]

did emma turn him gay or is he bi?

Are you referring to Kev or Lewis.

[lizann]

Emma only gave birth to him, she had him adopted straight away so his sexuality has nothing to do with her

I was on about Kev

[lizann]

Are you referring to Kev or Lewis.

kev

[Son of Cain]

Eve seeing Bear in the field. I hope this is the beginning of the end for Celia and Ray. Leading to Paddy or someone investigating further and exposing the whole sorry mess.

[Perdita]

Eve seeing Bear in the field. I hope this is the beginning of the end for Celia and Ray. Leading to Paddy or someone investigating further and exposing the whole sorry mess.

Yes, there are developments soon that will show a change.. how much of what has been going on with he drug storyline remains to be seen...

[lizann]

april just let off with drugs , why wasn't her parents called, she is a minor

[Son of Cain]

april just let off with drugs , why wasn't her parents called, she is a minor

Was she even given a caution? The amount of drugs she had, would not be worth the train fare, is she delivering small amounts to individual clients? Or is she delivering large amounts to the next link in the supply chain? Do they not have any drug dealers in Newcastle, that April needs to be running supplies up there, a 100 miles away. I imagine local drug dealers would kill her and Ray and Celia too.

[lizann]

Was she even given a caution? The amount of drugs she had, would not be worth the train fare, is she delivering small amounts to individual clients? Or is she delivering large amounts to the next link in the supply chain? Do they not have any drug dealers in Newcastle, that April needs to be running supplies up there, a 100 miles away. I imagine local drug dealers would kill her and Ray and Celia too.

celia is confusing, renting a farm for chickens and turkeys with slaves, yet also running drugs and pimping out you girls or is it just april, why was ray so focused on getting more weed from lewis and how does mack know ray

[Perdita]

celia is confusing, renting a farm for chickens and turkeys with slaves, yet also running drugs and pimping out you girls or is it just april, why was ray so focused on getting more weed from lewis and how does mack know ray

Ray was an old contact of Mack. Mackenzie invited Ray to the village to consider buying a large quantity of cannabis plants that Lewis Barton had been growing. Ray came to the village looking for Mackenzie to make a deal, which ultimately involved Mackenzie and Robert Sugden working together to sell the plants to Ray.

[Son of Cain]

celia is confusing, renting a farm for chickens and turkeys with slaves, yet also running drugs and pimping out you girls or is it just april, why was ray so focused on getting more weed from lewis and how does mack know ray

It is as if the writers have taken clips from tabloids stories and cobbled them together to produce this confusing story. I really doubt this story gives anything near a true picture of how these things happen in real life.

[Son of Cain]

Ray was an old contact of Mack. Mackenzie invited Ray to the village to consider buying a large quantity of cannabis plants that Lewis Barton had been growing. Ray came to the village looking for Mackenzie to make a deal, which ultimately involved Mackenzie and Robert Sugden working together to sell the plants to Ray.

Even this is confusing as it seems Celia's farm is close to the village and if Ray was living with her it seems strange he had never been seen in the village before. I thought it was Robert alone who sold the plants to Ray. That is how he got the money to buy the land, I do not recall SuperMack having any money.

[Son of Cain]

I have been getting a lot of error messages again. I was not able to log in at the time lizann and Perdita were posting.

[lizann]

Even this is confusing as it seems Celia's farm is close to the village and if Ray was living with her it seems strange he had never been seen in the village before. I thought it was Robert alone who sold the plants to Ray. That is how he got the money to buy the land, I do not recall SuperMack having any money.

yes robert stole and sold but it was mack who contacted ray to buy as he knew him and now no contact or scenes , no one warning Laurel April or Dylan to stay away from ray

[Perdita]

Even this is confusing as it seems Celia's farm is close to the village and if Ray was living with her it seems strange he had never been seen in the village before. I thought it was Robert alone who sold the plants to Ray. That is how he got the money to buy the land, I do not recall SuperMack having any money.

I am under the impression that Celia and Ray moved there recently???

[Son of Cain]

I am under the impression that Celia and Ray moved there recently???

And as Parkerman would say it was just a "coincidence" that Ray was an old contact of SuperMack.

[Son of Cain]

I have been getting a lot of error messages again. I was not able to log in at the time lizann and Perdita were posting.

Later getting error messages about problems with the server. Error message 500. What is going on?

[lizann]

celia moved to the farm rented out by kim , ray presumably lives elsewhere and sells farm equipment but is always around the village with April and dylan

[lizann]

i find kev fascinating, funny and good scene with lewis, the karaoke was cringey good

[Perdita]

Later getting error messages about problems with the server. Error message 500. What is going on?

Generic problem with SoapBoards server ..

[Son of Cain]

celia moved to the farm rented out by kim , ray presumably lives elsewhere and sells farm equipment but is always around the village with April and dylan

Celia renting the farm must have past me by. But I think this is becoming a common fault in modern Soap's. In the old days of Jack, Joe and Annie new characters were introduced with more of a fanfare and some gossiping in the pub. Nowadays they can slip in almost unnoticed with merely a short sentence of mention, or even worse, off camera. Turn away and you miss it, and are confused for quite a long time after.

[lizann]

Celia renting the farm must have past me by. But I think this is becoming a common fault in modern Soap's. In the old days of Jack, Joe and Annie new characters were introduced with more of a fanfare and some gossiping in the pub. Nowadays they can slip in almost unnoticed with merely a short sentence of mention, or even worse, off camera. Turn away and you miss it, and are confused for quite a long time after.

celias introduction was her dog biting paddy so why bear stayed with her is surprising, yes she wanted to rent land from moira too but they are partners now yet dylan broke into the farm for ray

[Son of Cain]

celias introduction was her dog biting paddy so why bear stayed with her is surprising, yes she wanted to rent land from moira too but they are partners now yet dylan broke into the farm for ray

But I do not think it was mentioned in the dog biting scene that she was new to the area or had just moved into the farm. So as far as I remember she was just some mystery woman.

[johntrevor]

Celia renting the farm must have past me by. But I think this is becoming a common fault in modern Soap's. In the old days of Jack, Joe and Annie new characters were introduced with more of a fanfare and some gossiping in the pub. Nowadays they can slip in almost unnoticed with merely a short sentence of mention, or even worse, off camera. Turn away and you miss it, and are confused for quite a long time after.

Its a crying shame that they have moved so far from the good old days of Jack, Joe, Annie, Amos, and the like, to a place somewhere more in keeping with Victor Meldrew's "I don't believe it".

[lizann]

But I do not think it was mentioned in the dog biting scene that she was new to the area or had just moved into the farm. So as far as I remember she was just some mystery woman.

was she introduced to moira as new to the neighbouring farm when trying to rent her land, celia even has her own vet not emmerdale vets either

[Perdita]

was she introduced to moira as new to the neighbouring farm when trying to rent her land, celia even has her own vet not emmerdale vets either
She was introduced as new neighbour... own vet .. not sure as as she might have told Paddy that to put him off inspecting the turkeys maybe seeing Paddy,.. but definitely new neighbour

[Son of Cain]

She was introduced as new neighbour... own vet .. not sure as as she might have told Paddy that to put him off inspecting the turkeys maybe seeing Paddy,.. but definitely new neighbour

The fact some of us are not sure exactly how she was introduced, shows the difference in how new characters used to be introduced. In the past questions would have asked, were are you from, where were before you came here, etc. Now it is a few words which can be easily missed, especially as the programme does not seem to hold our attention like it used to do. At least it does not hold mine

[lizann]

ray sells farm machinery , is that why he is always in a small village chatting to april

[Son of Cain]

ray sells farm machinery , is that why he is always in a small village chatting to april

Tracey notices April reading magazines in the shop, but does not seem to notice her talking to Ray, a middle aged man, openly giving her money.

[Son of Cain]

ray sells farm machinery , is that why he is always in a small village chatting to april

Ray may well say he sells farm machinery, but no one ever seems to buy any. If other farmers are as skint as Moira I doubt they ever will.

[lizann]

kev is becoming my favourite character

has mack become very dependent and obsessed with ross quickly

[Son of Cain]

After tonight's episode I am wondering if the writers are taking Ray's mind altering drugs?

[Snagglepus]

Lewis needs to snap out of it.

[Perdita]

Lewis needs to snap out of it.

He is autistic, also in real life, he cannot just snap out of it.. I am glad that Nico is supporting him when she sees him struggling

[Son of Cain]

Lewis needs to snap out of it.


He is autistic, also in real life, he cannot just snap out of it.. I am glad that Nico is supporting him when she sees him struggling

Even though Lewis is autistic his stress level seems to have risen very fast. Is this the same Lewis who successfully grew cannabis in his loft and managed to fit an automatic CCTV warning system? Not at all stressful. Another case I think of a character changing to fit the story.

[lizann]

why has bear not knocked out ray, he is bigger and stronger and back to being fit and looks only celia and ray over them at the farm

kim will probably bring her down

[Perdita]

why has bear not knocked out ray, he is bigger and stronger and back to being fit and looks only celia and ray over them at the farm

kim will probably bring her down

He still thinks Ray is a good guy and looking after all of them..

[Son of Cain]

He still thinks Ray is a good guy and looking after all of them..

Twwwwaaaaaang - that was the sound of my imagination snapping, as I tried to stretch it far enough to believe this. I know they want us to believe this but I just cannot manage to do so.

[lizann]

He still thinks Ray is a good guy and looking after all of them..

and celia?

[Perdita]

and celia?

Not sure how much Celia interacts with them, has she had any contact at all? Apart from Anya who saw Celia when she was in the boot of the car...

[Son of Cain]

Bear is not a fool, he is not an illegal immigrant, he knows Moira, and he knows people who work for her. He knows that they are paid wages, not just given food and a filthy shed to sleep in, and they are free to leave the farm, if they wish to. Yet we are expected to believe that he thinks Ray is a good guy who is looking after him.

[johntrevor]

Bear is not a fool, he is not an illegal immigrant, he knows Moira, and he knows people who work for her. He knows that they are paid wages, not just given food and a filthy shed to sleep in, and they are free to leave the farm, if they wish to. Yet we are expected to believe that he thinks Ray is a good guy who is looking after him.

Yes it does seem that credibility has been stretched much to far.

[Perdita]

Bear is not a fool, he is not an illegal immigrant, he knows Moira, and he knows people who work for her. He knows that they are paid wages, not just given food and a filthy shed to sleep in, and they are free to leave the farm, if they wish to. Yet we are expected to believe that he thinks Ray is a good guy who is looking after him.

They are not given the wages though, are they.. the wages are being kept safe, the same as any id...bear seems to be suffering from some kind of mental breakdown, he is not thinking clearly. We do not know how all of a sudden there are all these other workers there now, where they have come from.. unless I missed a bit.. but they are scared of Joe and will do extra work even when they are exhausted..

[lizann]

Not sure how much Celia interacts with them, has she had any contact at all? Apart from Anya who saw Celia when she was in the boot of the car...

we saw celia give out to them to work harder so he knows she is boss and he is still there

[Son of Cain]

They are not given the wages though, are they.. the wages are being kept safe, the same as any id...bear seems to be suffering from some kind of mental breakdown, he is not thinking clearly. We do not know how all of a sudden there are all these other workers there now, where they have come from.. unless I missed a bit.. but they are scared of Joe and will do extra work even when they are exhausted..

If this is what they are trying to get across I think they are failing, unless of course I am too thick to see it. The bit where we were told Ray is keeping their wages safe. Was this one of those times when it was explained in a few words, blink and you missed it? I do not underestand the bit about "the same as any id". What is an "id" I don't think you missed anything about where the other workers came from, I don't think it was explained, whether they were new or they were always there. I also seem to have missed the bit about them being afraid of Joe, is he the "Big Boss" of the whole gang? As for Bear I really do not know what we are meant think, to me he does not seen to be confused or having a mental breakdown, but if he isn't why does he stay there, why did he not go to fetch medicine for Anya, or fetch Liam. If they had used a less physical imposing character here it would have been far more believable. Bear is too big to bullied like this.
I think they are trying to cover too much in this one story, modern slavery, prostitution and drug dealers. It is a bit much for two people, three counting Joe, to be involved in. Even a large Organized Crime Group would have a hard time keeping track of all this. They could have done a much better believable job if they had just concentrated on one aspect of it. Either drug dealing or modern slavery, but then they would not have been able to involve April and Bear.

[Perdita]

If this is what they are trying to get across I think they are failing, unless of course I am too thick to see it. The bit where we were told Ray is keeping their wages safe. Was this one of those times when it was explained in a few words, blink and you missed it? I do not underestand the bit about "the same as any id". What is an "id" I don't think you missed anything about where the other workers came from, I don't think it was explained, whether they were new or they were always there. I also seem to have missed the bit about them being afraid of Joe, is he the "Big Boss" of the whole gang? As for Bear I really do not know what we are meant think, to me he does not seen to be confused or having a mental breakdown, but if he isn't why does he stay there, why did he not go to fetch medicine for Anya, or fetch Liam. If they had used a less physical imposing character here it would have been far more believable. Bear is too big to bullied like this.
I think they are trying to cover too much in this one story, modern slavery, prostitution and drug dealers. It is a bit much for two people, three counting Joe, to be involved in. Even a large Organized Crime Group would have a hard time keeping track of all this. They could have done a much better believable job if they had just concentrated on one aspect of it. Either drug dealing or modern slavery, but then they would not have been able to involve April and Bear.

id = id card or passport, Ray took Anya's passport to show to the authorities for registering her as employee...

[Son of Cain]

id = id card or passport, Ray took Anya's passport to show to the authorities for registering her as employee...

Of course it does, I must have had a brain freeze there. Probably true that I am too thick to understand this plot.

Mind you, I doubt any authorities ever got a glimpse of Anya's passport, or any bank their wages.

[Perdita]

Why are the Dingles claiming to be broke? Are they not all working?

[tammyy2j]

How did Ray find Anya and the money from Caleb?

[Son of Cain]

How did Ray find Anya and the money from Caleb?

I do not think this has been made clear, it has all been a bit vague. Sse came to this country illegally to work, and sent money back home, but then found out that she was being forced into prostitution to payback her debt to the traffickers. She escaped and found her way into Caleb's van, he thought she had entered the country in the van and did not want to help her. I am not sure who she escaped from whether it from Ray and Celia or the people who brought her to this country. In fact I am not sure if it was Ray and Celia who actually brought her to this country, or if bought her from traffickers, or were lucky and just found her wandering about with the money Caleb gave her. There may be those who understand her journey but I am not one of these people.

[lizann]

if that was suppose to be sad and sombre it failed for me , we didn't see enough of anya and bear or sorry ted to care, celia fitting up moira

[Son of Cain]

Well let's hope Moira does not visit that field until the soil has settled and the grass has regrown.
Was that the same tree that Holly was buried under? Moira's DNA may well be on the blanket but will Ray's be on the body when he moved it?

[Son of Cain]

Why are the Dingles claiming to be broke? Are they not all working?

It is an unwritten, or maybe even written, law of Saops that characters and businesses alternate between being flush and skint. Especially pubs which are giving free drinks away one minute, and putting on pub quizes, Karaoke and special events to bring in the punters, and make more money, the next. For the Dingles it is simply their turn.

[lizann]

Why are the Dingles claiming to be broke? Are they not all working?

belle and dawn own take a vow and belle also had a wellness business too

lydia works for kim same as sam

[Son of Cain]

Are those pills that Bear is taking making him confused? But not confused enough to know that he wants to see Paddy. The way Ray is talking makes it seem that Bear does not know where the farm is located. It must be within walking distance of the village so Bear would not need his wages to get there. I would have thought that after the dog incident Celia would know that Bear is Paddy's father, so a good chance that Ray would too. Even Bear must realize they are living in a pretty uncomfortable environment and want to get back to somewhere warmer and with better food.

[johntrevor]

Are those pills that Bear is taking making him confused? But not confused enough to know that he wants to see Paddy. The way Ray is talking makes it seem that Bear does not know where the farm is located. It must be within walking distance of the village so Bear would not need his wages to get there. I would have thought that after the dog incident Celia would know that Bear is Paddy's father, so a good chance that Ray would too. Even Bear must realize they are living in a pretty uncomfortable environment and want to get back to somewhere warmer and with better food.

We saw an aerial few a while ago, which showed Celia's workers shifting turkey feed, and a couple of fields away we saw Moira and Paddy tending some sheep. So it would certainly be within walking distance away.

[lizann]

Celia is in a farm rented from Kim neighbouring moira

[Snagglepus]

Are they all living upstairs in Celia's house?

[Snagglepus]

Sam should call Noah to sort the electrics, he is a fully qualified spark with his own business.

[Perdita]

Sam should call Noah to sort the electrics, he is a fully qualified spark with his own business.

Noah did look at it but he is charging too much.. still do not remember Noah actually being a qualified electrician....

[Son of Cain]

Are they all living upstairs in Celia's house?

They seem to be in a roof space but when Anya was brought back, Ray seemed to bring her into a shed at ground level.

[Son of Cain]

Celia is in a farm rented from Kim neighbouring moira

Yes, but does Bear know that? As he could walk home without needing his wages.

[Son of Cain]

Sam should call Noah to sort the electrics, he is a fully qualified spark with his own business.

I fear that may be forgotten about.

[Son of Cain]

belle and dawn own take a vow and belle also had a wellness business too

lydia works for kim same as sam

Not sure Belle has dispensed much wellness recently.

If I remember right I think Kim was paying Lydia over the odds.

[lizann]

sam could ask bestie tom for a loan or get him to get them jason donovan tickets

[Snagglepus]

How unfortunate for Aaron and Robert that Kev just happened to be walking past and overheard their conversation.
Kudos to the writers for thinking up that scenario, it must be a first.

[Snagglepus]

sam could ask bestie tom for a loan or get him to get them jason donovan tickets

Who is Tom?

[lizann]

Who is Tom?

is he Joe or Tom, Chris son, the Tate fella

[Son of Cain]

I found nothing about this episode convincing.

[Perdita]

is he Joe or Tom, Chris son, the Tate fella

Joseph (Joe)

[Son of Cain]

After last night's episode of "Carry on Samurai" let's hope that is the last we see of Kev.
Liam said Robert had lost a lot of blood, but he ended up with only a plaster on his arm, I've had worse injuries opening a can of beans. The one thing we learned was that Kev knows nothing about martial arts and certainly does not know how to use a japanese sword.

The props department must be on a limited budget if they could afford a katana, a proper samurai sword, instead having to make do with a short sword, a wakizashi, known as the companion sword, and never held two handed.

This part of the episode was definitely played for laughs.

[johntrevor]

After last night's episode of "Carry on Samurai" let's hope that is the last we see of Kev.
Liam said Robert had lost a lot of blood, but he ended up with only a plaster on his arm, I've had worse injuries opening a can of beans. The one thing we learned was that Kev knows nothing about martial arts and certainly does not know how to use a japanese sword.

The props department must be on a limited budget if they could afford a katana, a proper samurai sword, instead having to make do with a short sword, a wakizashi, known as the companion sword, and never held two handed.

This part of the episode was definitely played for laughs.

Yes since Kev thug first turned up this story has gone from somewhat believable to totally and complete utter unbelievable garbage.

[lizann]

I'll take watching kev over ray april celia

[lizann]

bear doesn't recognise where he is, in the village near moiras

[lizann]

i thought chemistry spark with joe and belle

[katie hunter]

After last night's episode of "Carry on Samurai" let's hope that is the last we see of Kev.
Liam said Robert had lost a lot of blood, but he ended up with only a plaster on his arm, I've had worse injuries opening a can of beans. The one thing we learned was that Kev knows nothing about martial arts and certainly does not know how to use a japanese sword.

The props department must be on a limited budget if they could afford a katana, a proper samurai sword, instead having to make do with a short sword, a wakizashi, known as the companion sword, and never held two handed.

This part of the episode was definitely played for laughs.

I had to rewind to check that Kev hadn't tied them up but no, apparently 3 men weren't capable of overpowering Kev.

And, how does someone on parole manage to get hold of a gun and then a sword? Does he have an arsenal stashed somewhere?

[lizann]

I had to rewind to check that Kev hadn't tied them up but no, apparently 3 men weren't capable of overpowering Kev.

And, how does someone on parole manage to get hold of a gun and then a sword? Does he have an arsenal stashed somewhere?

i believe he stole the sword from the pawn shop he robbed

[Son of Cain]

I had to rewind to check that Kev hadn't tied them up but no, apparently 3 men weren't capable of overpowering Kev.

And, how does someone on parole manage to get hold of a gun and then a sword? Does he have an arsenal stashed somewhere?


i believe he stole the sword from the pawn shop he robbed

One thing we do know is that Soap's cannot film realistic fight scenes. I suppose we were meant to think Robert was too badly injured, though he seemed fine the next day and Liam just seemed too scared. Yes he stole the sword from the pawn shop, and it is easy for a criminal to get a gun as long as they have the money to pay for it.

I don't imagine Kev really has told his probation officer he is moving, so he must be on the run.

[lizann]

ted bear is found

[Perdita]

I hope that Dylan is going to mention it to Paddy or anyone in the village...hopefully this storyline is now coming to an end .. by Christmas would be nice..

[Perdita]

Sure is developing towards the ending of this storyline now...

[lizann]

April has to tell about celia now too

[Perdita]

April has to tell about celia now too

I was surprised she never mentioned her name when she told Marlon and Rhona...

[ccahill2]

That was a gaping hole to me. I kept expecting her to go on about Celia and she never did. To me, Celia is far scarier than Ray, and the one the family is most in danger from.

[Perdita]

That was a gaping hole to me. I kept expecting her to go on about Celia and she never did. To me, Celia is far scarier than Ray, and the one the family is most in danger from.

Maybe she had not quite finished telling them ...

[Son of Cain]

Sure is developing towards the ending of this storyline now...


April has to tell about celia now too


I was surprised she never mentioned her name when she told Marlon and Rhona...


I believe this tale has to last till Christmas, if too much is disclosed at once, it will be hard to drag it out till then.

[Son of Cain]

Sure is developing towards the ending of this storyline now...


April has to tell about celia now too


I was surprised she never mentioned her name when she told Marlon and Rhona...

Could not log-in all day yesterday or this morning.
I still do not completely buy into Bear's situation. When he said to Dylan "my family is here" unlike the other workers Bear was not fleeing from a war zone or a place where they might have been persecuted. He knows what a "normal" comfortable life is like, so I find it hard to believe he could think his current situation is good. He has seen what happened to Anya and what Mick did to Robbie, hardly what you would call "happy family life. For me having to live in a cold drafty shed would be enough to get me wanting to move out.

When Eve saw Bear in the field, there was someone driving the van, who looked like he was an overseer or ganger, where is this person we have never seen him since, surely he would be doing the job Celia is offering to Dylan.

[ccahill2]

I would not mind if Ray goes for a haircut and Mandy goes all Sweeney Todd on him. It would serve him right.

And once Moira learns about Celia, I could see she and Cain being quite the force to be reckoned with. And even if Dylan doesn't wake up right away (I'm rooting for the little tyke), I'm hoping that they realize that Eve may have been right.

[johntrevor]

I would not mind if Ray goes for a haircut and Mandy goes all Sweeney Todd on him. It would serve him right.

And once Moira learns about Celia, I could see she and Cain being quite the force to be reckoned with. And even if Dylan doesn't wake up right away (I'm rooting for the little tyke), I'm hoping that they realize that Eve may have been right.

Surely after all that has now happened, there is enough people who now know about Celia and Ray, for them all to get together and demand police action and protection. With Paddy going to see Dylan in hospital will he wake up just enough to tell Paddy about seeing Bear?

[Perdita]

Surely after all that has now happened, there is enough people who now know about Celia and Ray, for them all to get together and demand police action and protection. With Paddy going to see Dylan in hospital will he wake up just enough to tell Paddy about seeing Bear?

Sure Dylan will be fine and back at work in 2 weeks time with not a scratch to be seen...

[johntrevor]

Sure Dylan will be fine and back at work in 2 weeks time with not a scratch to be seen...

Yep good old Hotten General

[Son of Cain]

Surely after all that has now happened, there is enough people who now know about Celia and Ray, for them all to get together and demand police action and protection. With Paddy going to see Dylan in hospital will he wake up just enough to tell Paddy about seeing Bear?

The problem here, and with Soap's in general, is that in trying to pack in maximum drama, they overdo it and pack in too much. Too much, so that it becomes unbelievable. When I watch good quality, we'll written drama, I engage with it, knowing that although I am watching fiction, I believe that this something that could happen in real life. With Soap's and this story in particular I think they go just too far. I know about drug dealing and county lines, people trafficing, modern day slavery, child prostitution, but just find it hard to believe these attempts to tell the stories have any essence of truth in them. I think it would have been better if they had tackled the drug dealing and slavery as separate stories, with different criminal characters not at the same time.

[ccahill2]

After Dawn talked to Joe about her background, I expected to see scenes where she figured out what was going on with April and talked to her or even helped her by relating her own experiences. However, I suppose I expected too much. Dawn is too narcissistic and has enough of her own issues without seeing what's going on with April.

[lizann]

Could not log-in all day yesterday or this morning.
I still do not completely buy into Bear's situation. When he said to Dylan "my family is here" unlike the other workers Bear was not fleeing from a war zone or a place where they might have been persecuted. He knows what a "normal" comfortable life is like, so I find it hard to believe he could think his current situation is good. He has seen what happened to Anya and what Mick did to Robbie, hardly what you would call "happy family life. For me having to live in a cold drafty shed would be enough to get me wanting to move out.

When Eve saw Bear in the field, there was someone driving the van, who looked like he was an overseer or ganger, where is this person we have never seen him since, surely he would be doing the job Celia is offering to Dylan.

bear was angry before he left the village, do we know why, he was fighting with paddy over nothing, we had april run away and act out too over nothing , both coming from families and homes

[lizann]

how did ray know they went to the police station

[Son of Cain]

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[Son of Cain]

You have to admire Rodney, going Ice skating, a broken hip has seen the end of many an older person.

[lizann]

You have to admire Rodney, going Ice skating, a broken hip has seen the end of many an older person.

was he taking his gran kids from nicola too or just arthur

[ccahill2]

I would love for Moira to learn more about what Celia is doing and remember her confession about Holly and then go on full Rambo on Celia. I would bet on Moira over Celia any day. While Marlon and Rhona are leading with their mouths, I hope that Moira is the force to be reckoned with. Even Cain shakes when Moira gets that way.

[lizann]

I would love for Moira to learn more about what Celia is doing and remember her confession about Holly and then go on full Rambo on Celia. I would bet on Moira over Celia any day. While Marlon and Rhona are leading with their mouths, I hope that Moira is the force to be reckoned with. Even Cain shakes when Moira gets that way.

moira team with kim against celia please for me

[Son of Cain]

I would love for Moira to learn more about what Celia is doing and remember her confession about Holly and then go on full Rambo on Celia. I would bet on Moira over Celia any day. While Marlon and Rhona are leading with their mouths, I hope that Moira is the force to be reckoned with. Even Cain shakes when Moira gets that way.

Then we might find out why I Celia carries that big stick, all she has done with it so far is pose with it resting over her shoulder.

[Perdita]

Then we might find out why I Celia carries that big stick, all she has done with it so far is pose with it resting over her shoulder.

It is for show, no practical reason .. she is the big stick in the drug and slavery world :p

[Son of Cain]

It is for show, no practical reason .. she is the big stick in the drug and slavery world :p

The stick, known as a thumb stick does have a practical purpose, it can be used as a walking aid, even used to hold gates open. If I was a "Big Stick" in the drug and slavery world, the last thing in the world I would want to do is draw attention to myself. With Celia the hat, the boots and the stick all say "look at me", compare Celia's appearance to Moira's. The real "Big Sticks" would not be involved in the day to day running of the business, they would only be know to the next link in the chain, they certaiin would not be dealing with street level operators like April and Dylan.

[lizann]

go on sammy

[Perdita]

Yes!!! The end is nigh!!! :ninja:

[Son of Cain]

When Ray blocked Rhona's car, the young thug with him, pulled his scarf up to cover his face, but when they drove away his face was uncovered again. Was this drama?

[Son of Cain]

No way out for April and her children.