Emmerdale - Current Episode Discussion - III

[Dennis tanner]

did cain really think sam would get away with all the dna on him and craig

Why wouldm't he ? A few years back he confessed to the Police that he had killed Alice Dingle and he never even had to go to court.

[lizann]

sam cleared by the horse but lydia leaves him

[Dennis tanner]

sam cleared by the horse but lydia leaves him

She's not a Dingle. It's Kim I feel sorry for, having to do her own housework

[Son of Cain]

Caleb really does have a high opinion of himself.

Dennis - Did you write the script for tonight's episode. You gave yourself away when you had Leyla call Caleb "a cad" altho she stopped short of calling him "bounder". Personally I think he is "a cad and a bounder".

[Dennis tanner]

Caleb really does have a high opinion of himself.

Dennis - Did you write the script for tonight's episode. You gave yourself away when you had Leyla call Caleb "a cad" altho she stopped short of calling him "bounder". Personally I think he is "a cad and a bounder".

You are correct but he knows when he's on a winner.

Leyla doesn't understand that being a mentor to Tracy involves giving her a shedload of money.

Poor Livesy hurt his hand. He needs to have practice on Kirk

[lizann]

is there anyone caleb doesn't have connections with

[lizann]

bad bernice, lazy exit for her

[Dennis tanner]

bad bernice, lazy exit for her

It's Bob I feel sorry for.

[lizann]

It's Bob I feel sorry for.

yes especially has he still has wendy

[Dennis tanner]

yes especially has he still has wendy

With Bob having Wendy, it's Ken I feel sorry for

[lizann]

With Bob having Wendy, it's Ken I feel sorry for

who

[Dennis tanner]

who

Ken...from The Grapes

[lizann]

Ken...from The Grapes

im lost

[Dennis tanner]

im lost

Google what I posted

[lizann]

Google what I posted

early doors

[Perdita]

Wow, what a pathetic exit storyline for Bernice... feel sorry for Nicola now which does not happen often

[Dennis tanner]

early doors

Ken and Tanya

[Son of Cain]

Wow, what a pathetic exit storyline for Bernice... feel sorry for Nicola now which does not happen often

One of the worst exits, ever. Has Bernice been intercepting Nicola's mail, as I am sure Bailiffs do not just inform you on the phone. If Bernice still owes the whole ?20,000 then the TV, laptop and the few bits and pieces they took from the house would nowhere near cover it. I believe they only raise about 20% of the value of goods.

Has Bernice actually gone already, without packing any clothes? If she could not pay the loan, presumably she has no money to run off or support herself. Will the next we hear of her, is that she is in Australia?

[Perdita]

One of the worst exits, ever. Has Bernice been intercepting Nicola's mail, as I am sure Bailiffs do not just inform you on the phone. If Bernice still owes the whole ?20,000 then the TV, laptop and the few bits and pieces they took from the house would nowhere near cover it. I believe they only raise about 20% of the value of goods.

Has Bernice actually gone already, without packing any clothes? If she could not pay the loan, presumably she has no money to run off or support herself. Will the next we hear of her, is that she is in Australia?

I cannot believe that Bernice would have done this, terrible can't be bothered scriptwriting at best. Wherever she has gone, she would have bought the ticket on her credit card too. Not sure she has a good enough relationship with DeeDee and her dad to be welcomed in Australia.... I hope we find out eventually where she is.

[lizann]

apparently nicola catches up to bernice as she hasn't left yet

why not ask gabby for the money, what did she buy, was the money needed for the b&b?

[Perdita]

apparently nicola catches up to bernice as she hasn't left yet

why not ask gabby for the money, what did she buy, was the money needed for the b&b?

Probably to do with her menopause ..

[lizann]

Probably to do with her menopause ..

is taking loans out in other names a symptom

[Perdita]

is taking loans out in other names a symptom

No but the urge to spend spend spend could be and she could only afford it with fraud... her mental health was badly affected not so long ago so I am wondering if this is is still part of it?

[Son of Cain]

I cannot believe that Bernice would have done this, terrible can't be bothered scriptwriting at best. Wherever she has gone, she would have bought the ticket on her credit card too. Not sure she has a good enough relationship with DeeDee and her dad to be welcomed in Australia.... I hope we find out eventually where she is.

She cannot have much space on her credit card, or she could have used it to pay off some of the loan. Hope she can afford a few nights in a B&B. Preferably one without gold plated nick nacks.

[Son of Cain]

Probably to do with her menopause ..

Funnily enough The Jeremy Vine Show this week discussed if the menopause could be used as an excuse to commit crimes.

[lizann]

Funnily enough The Jeremy Vine Show this week discussed if the menopause could be used as an excuse to commit crimes.

id go on a crime spree

[Perdita]

id go on a crime spree

Menopause might be recognised but not sure you would be let off if caught out???

[lizann]

Menopause might be recognised but not sure you would be let off if caught out???

damn balaclava off so

[Dennis tanner]

This would have to be a very long menopause because Bernice has always been somewhat selfish

[Perdita]

damn balaclava off so

:lol:

[Son of Cain]

Bernice must be the stupidest person ever to run a B&B. In a village with no cultural attractions except the countryside, she opens a B&B where she concentrates on furnishing it with unnecessary nick nacks and fripperies. We see hikers and cyclists passing through the village, who are far more likely to be customers for the B&B, and would probably not be seeking the level of luxury that Bernice was wanting to offer. Instead of a "Dame Judi Dench" room perhaps she should have offered a"Bradley Wiggins".

[johntrevor]

Bernice must be the stupidest person ever to run a B&B. In a village with no cultural attractions except the countryside, she opens a B&B where she concentrates on furnishing it with unnecessary nick nacks and fripperies. We see hikers and cyclists passing through the village, who are far more likely to be customers for the B&B, and would probably not be seeking the level of luxury that Bernice was wanting to offer. Instead of a "Dame Judi Dench" room perhaps she should have offered a"Bradley Wiggins".

Very true.....I would definitely have stopped in a Maya Jama room

[Dennis tanner]

Bernice must be the stupidest person ever to run a B&B. In a village with no cultural attractions except the countryside, she opens a B&B where she concentrates on furnishing it with unnecessary nick nacks and fripperies. We see hikers and cyclists passing through the village, who are far more likely to be customers for the B&B, and would probably not be seeking the level of luxury that Bernice was wanting to offer. Instead of a "Dame Judi Dench" room perhaps she should have offered a"Bradley Wiggins".

and a Fred Trueman room

[Son of Cain]

So Nicola has now taken over Bernice's share of the B&B, but left the loan in her own name. Meaning she now has a record of defaulting on repayments and having the Bailiffs called in, not sure this is the best way to start of in a new business.

[Dennis tanner]

So Nicola has now taken over Bernice's share of the B&B, but left the loan in her own name. Meaning she now has a record of defaulting on repayments and having the Bailiffs called in, not sure this is the best way to start of in a new business.

and Nicola is not the legal part owner of the B&B. Nothing has been signed.

[Son of Cain]

and Nicola is not the legal part owner of the B&B. Nothing has been signed.

So all Nicola has gained from this experience is a poor credit rating.

[katie hunter]

Why didn't Gabby pay off her debts? What a shoddy exit for Bernice, she deserved better.

[Dennis tanner]

Why didn't Gabby pay off her debts? What a shoddy exit for Bernice, she deserved better.

Did she ? Did she really ???

[Son of Cain]

Who lived in the empty house Bernice was hiding in? Was it Dan's house or Diane's?

[Son of Cain]

Now that Bernice has gone, that will give the B&B one more room to let. It's no wonder that the B&B was not making money when half the rooms must have been occupied by Bernice, Bob and Wendy and Kathy and Heath. I reckon that was four rooms and I think there was only seven, although I may be wrong.

[Dennis tanner]

Now that Bernice has gone, that will give the B&B one more room to let. It's no wonder that the B&B was not making money when half the rooms must have been occupied by Bernice, Bob and Wendy and Kathy and Heath. I reckon that was four rooms and I think there was only seven, although I may be wrong.

Good point. If Bob has a empty house, he should be using it.

[lizann]

Now that Bernice has gone, that will give the B&B one more room to let. It's no wonder that the B&B was not making money when half the rooms must have been occupied by Bernice, Bob and Wendy and Kathy and Heath. I reckon that was four rooms and I think there was only seven, although I may be wrong.

the Judi Dench suite must be the top room

[lizann]

Who lived in the empty house Bernice was hiding in? Was it Dan's house or Diane's?

tom and belle are in Dan's place

[Dennis tanner]

Why did they have Livesy and Billy fighting during the Ad Break? Couldn't they have delayed the Ad break ?

[lizann]

aaron likes fighting join a boxing club or fight club

[Dennis tanner]

aaron likes fighting join a boxing club or fight club

Or just hit Kirk. Someone who wont hit him back

[Son of Cain]

aaron likes fighting join a boxing club or fight club

Is this suppose to be some form of self harm for Aaron, starting fights in order to get beat up.

[Son of Cain]

Or just hit Kirk. Someone who wont hit him back

That would be about his mark, Paddy or Vinny, because a fighter Aaron is not.

[Dennis tanner]

Is this suppose to be some form of self harm for Aaron, starting fights in order to get beat up.
If this is the case, he should go to Hotton, where there wouldn't be anyonde to save him

[Son of Cain]

If this is the case, he should go to Hotton, where there wouldn't be anyonde to save him

Or back to prison and be bullied again. Pollard should have called the cops.

[Son of Cain]

Do Soaps set out to invent new words or phrases, yesterday Mary talked about "pack-up lunches" something I have never heard of before. Most people I think would say "packed lunches". Or maybe it is just me that is the odd one out.

[Dennis tanner]

Do Soaps set out to invent new words or phrases, yesterday Mary talked about "pack-up lunches" something I have never heard of before. Most people I think would say "packed lunches". Or maybe it is just me that is the odd one out.

Have schools stopped doing school dinners? No kids in soaps seem to have schoool dinners.

Yes Rhona you should have left well alone and that poor woman MIGHT still be alive.

I suspect that when Gus doesn't want the baby, Rhona will get the chance to have 'Her Child'

[Son of Cain]

I was hoping that Mack and Chloe would stay together, if for no other reason than Smug Amy could not say "Told you so".

[lizann]

was chloe kicking amy out of victoria's house for mack

[Snagglepus]

Wow, I never expected that! Caleb overhearing Kim calling Cain outside the Woolpack toilets.
Kudos to the writer who thought that one up.

[johntrevor]

Wow, I never expected that! Caleb overhearing Kim calling Cain outside the Woolpack toilets.
Kudos to the writer who thought that one up.

Yes those scriptwriters are soooooooo clever

[Dennis tanner]

Wow, I never expected that! Caleb overhearing Kim calling Cain outside the Woolpack toilets.
Kudos to the writer who thought that one up.

I must of missed something because I didn't know who she was speaking to.

[lizann]

Wow, I never expected that! Caleb overhearing Kim calling Cain outside the Woolpack toilets.
Kudos to the writer who thought that one up.

yes very original never do before

[Son of Cain]

I do not really understand why Caleb is so interested in what Kim is up to, does he not have enough problems of his own.

[Snagglepus]

I was surprised that 'that rock' wasn't there when Mackenzie fell.

[Son of Cain]

I was surprised that 'that rock' wasn't there when Mackenzie fell.

I am really disappointed it wasn't.

[katie hunter]

Chloe is off to France even though she has no obvious income. How lucky that she already had a passport for Reuben.

[Dennis tanner]

I hate this 'Lyds' name

Poor Craig. Did anyone attend his funeral ?

What film was Cain watching ?

Was Chloe driving really slow or Mackenzie running really fast ?

[lizann]

you'd think after the accident chloe would be nervous driving especially with reuben maybe ptsd, we know they'll be back and poor cain no peace to watch the telly

[Son of Cain]

Has Chloe applied for a long stay visa to live in France?

[Perdita]

Has Chloe applied for a long stay visa to live in France?

I doubt she had time to do any paperwork... hope they keep her in France for ever...

[Son of Cain]

I doubt she had time to do any paperwork... hope they keep her in France for ever...

Maybe Brexit did not affect Emmerdale, in which case she would not need a visa.

[Perdita]

Maybe Brexit did not affect Emmerdale, in which case she would not need a visa.

I do not think she needs a visa but she would only be allowed to stay for 30 days, leave and then go back to France for another 30 days... according to the Schengen Agreement ... I live in Spain and a lot of my friends now have to leave after 3 months to not overstay their welcome , a lot of them travel by car through France.. but they do not need a visa.

[Son of Cain]

I do not think she needs a visa but she would only be allowed to stay for 30 days, leave and then go back to France for another 30 days... according to the Schengen Agreement ... I live in Spain and a lot of my friends now have to leave after 3 months to not overstay their welcome , a lot of them travel by car through France.. but they do not need a visa.

I think you can stay in France for 90 days without a visa, you need an extended stay visa after that. But I am not sure if you can apply for the extended stay visa while you are in France, probably best to apply before you go there. Since It did not seem that Chloe intended to return to the UK, especially as she has little money and would not be allowed to work, without a work permit, best to sort it out in advance. Knowing how awkward the French can be I imagine it would be quite difficult to just go there and hope for the best. Anyway if she returned to the UK, she would probably be picked up at border control now that Mack has reported her to the police.

[Dennis tanner]

I doubt she had time to do any paperwork... hope they keep her in France for ever...

ITV have sorted everything for her.

[lizann]

poor david seeing that on his birthday

[Dennis tanner]

poor david seeing that on his birthday

He was totally confused. It took him ages to realise it was not Gabby.

[Snagglepus]

poor David seeing that on his birthday


David is a dork, it is all his own fault. He deserves whatever happens to him. He was told not to say anything to Gabby but he had to let on, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more.

[Son of Cain]

David is a dork, it is all his own fault. He deserves whatever happens to him. He was told not to say anything to Gabby but he had to let on, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more.

The problem was he did say more.

[Perdita]

The problem was he did say more.

Think one of the worst exit storylines in a long time.. he buggers off, who is taking care of Theo???

[Dennis tanner]

The teacherou Jacob not sorry at all.

Mackenzie is becoming very tedius

[Son of Cain]

Think one of the worst exit storylines in a long time.. he buggers off, who is taking care of Theo???

Perhaps David and Theo could meet up with Chloe and Reuben to form a new family. David has had plenty of practice with relationships with young ladies in Emmerdale.

[lizann]

has maya made any contact anymore to see theo? jacobs acting was brutally bad

[Dennis tanner]

Perhaps David and Theo could meet up with Chloe and Reuben to form a new family. David has had plenty of practice with relationships with young ladies in Emmerdale.

Whowever he forms a relationship with, he needs to keep them away from Jacob

[Dennis tanner]

has maya made any contact anymore to see theo? jacobs acting was brutally bad
The boy has always been an amateur one trick show pony

[Son of Cain]

has maya made any contact anymore to see theo? jacobs acting was brutally bad

I thought Maya left the country.

[Perdita]

I thought Maya left the country.

Apparently so but does not mean she would never come back...

[katie hunter]

They need to start putting bromide in the village water. There are too many randy villagers that can't resist each other.

Not sure if I missed it but can't remember David mentioning Theo? Did he leave with him?

Good old Hotten Police immediately arresting Ethan on the say so of the thug. I wonder if they will even bother checking for cctv?

[Son of Cain]

Tracey never was the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this is stupidity of the highest magnitude, she must know that Nate is bound to find out. Even that Caleb may actually be the one to tell Nate.

I get tired with this frequently used tale of couples having an affair where one of them continually says that nothing is going to happen, then gives in like a punctured balloon, then says it will never happen again, until the next time. - Boring.

(This might be the first time I have typed Nate and this was what appeared on the screen)

[Son of Cain]

Is it possible for any character in the village to get together in a group of four other residents, and not be related to at least one of the group, either by blood or by marriage.

[Son of Cain]

They need to start putting bromide in the village water. There are too many randy villagers that can't resist each other.

Not sure if I missed it but can't remember David mentioning Theo? Did he leave with him?

Good old Hotten Police immediately arresting Ethan on the say so of the thug. I wonder if they will even bother checking for cctv?

Is David so upset he has forgotten Theo? For a long time now the poor child only ever seemeed to be mentioned in relation to babysitting by or for Victoria.

CCTV, What's that, it only seems to exist in Soaps, to create drama, not to show what really happened during incidents.

[Dennis tanner]

They need to start putting bromide in the village water. There are too many randy villagers that can't resist each other. Only Kirk is unable to resist Mandy Dingle


Not sure if I missed it but can't remember David mentioning Theo? Did he leave with him? It looks like Theo has lost his job.


Good old Hotten Police immediately arresting Ethan on the say so of the thug. I wonder if they will even bother checking for cctv? Shouldn't he have been immediately searched to resolve the matter ?

[lizann]

why did jacob and victoria go together to see david, a very stupid exit like bernice for him and theo missing

how is chloe affording her hotel stay

[Dennis tanner]

how is chloe affording her hotel stay I guess she is planning to do a moonlight flit.

[johntrevor]

Is David so upset he has forgotten Theo? For a long time now the poor child only ever seemeed to be mentioned in relation to babysitting by or for Victoria.

CCTV, What's that, it only seems to exist in Soaps, to create drama, not to show what really happened during incidents.
Yes strange how quickly he decided that Amba needed him, and off he went, but seemed to have completely forgotten about Theo as if he didnt count.

[Dennis tanner]

Yes strange how quickly he decided that Amba needed him, and off he went, but seemed to have completely forgotten about Theo as if he didnt count.

He also quickly forgot his promise to stop with Eric made the day before

[Perdita]

Yes strange how quickly he decided that Amba needed him, and off he went, but seemed to have completely forgotten about Theo as if he didnt count.

Missed some of the last episode... is that David's excuse to leave because Amba suddenly needs her father????

[Son of Cain]

Yes strange how quickly he decided that Amba needed him, and off he went, but seemed to have completely forgotten about Theo as if he didnt count.

Priya having trouble getting Amba ready for school hardly seems like a crisis. They really need to put more effort into exit stories.

[Son of Cain]

He also quickly forgot his promise to stop with Eric made the day before

Promises in Soaps are like Snowmen/women, they do not last long.

[Dennis tanner]

Priya having trouble getting Amba ready for school hardly seems like a crisis. They really need to put more effort into exit stories.

Is he going to sort the school out ????

So Tracy works in the shop. Once again we have a child care issue.

[Son of Cain]

Is he going to sort the school out ????

So Tracy works in the shop. Once again we have a child care issue.

If Tracey can find out who David left Theo with, perhaps she can leave Frankie there while she works in the shop.

[Dennis tanner]

If Tracey can find out who David left Theo with, perhaps she can leave Frankie there while she works in the shop.

By Gove, me thinks thou hast cracked it.

[lizann]

ethan arrested then released uncharged but suspended from work, was the real homophobic perpetrator mikey and his mates arrested, the club has to have cctv, the doormen and police seemed bias against ethan

[Son of Cain]

ethan arrested then released uncharged but suspended from work, was the real homophobic perpetrator mikey and his mates arrested, the club has to have cctv, the doormen and police seemed bias against ethan

This was a contrived story of the worst kind, Suni, lying unconscious on the ground, did the police think he beat himself up. The police seem to make no effort to determine what happened. Surely they could tell by Mikey's demeanour that he was lying.

[Dennis tanner]

This was a contrived story of the worst kind, Suni, lying unconscious on the ground, did the police think he beat himself up. The police seem to make no effort to determine what happened. Surely they could tell by Mikey's demeanour that he was lying.

Have to agree. Mike Swirling is the only decent officer in Hotton.

[Son of Cain]

Does Ethan work at the only law firm in the country that has never heard of "unfair dismisal"?

[lizann]

the new revenge a team, amit and caleb

[Dennis tanner]

Does Ethan work at the only law firm in the country that has never heard of "unfair dismisal"?

On the other hand, the doctors need a receptionist

[lizann]

ethan can run his own practice from the pub or cafe or hop hive

[Dennis tanner]

ethan can run his own practice from the pub or cafe or hop hive

He could be as busy as the Vets

[Son of Cain]

ethan can run his own practice from the pub or cafe or hop hive

Unfortunately the clients he finds there. never want to pay him.

[katie hunter]

Does Ethan work at the only law firm in the country that has never heard of "unfair dismisal"?

Apparently so. Its yet another nonsense storyline. No doubt he will be working in the garage next week - or Mandys salon.

[lizann]

Apparently so. Its yet another nonsense storyline. No doubt he will be working in the garage next week - or Mandys salon.

or as suni private nurse, are they getting together?

[Dennis tanner]

Kirk pretended that he had two appointments at once. Just change one of them you numpty. .

[Son of Cain]

I feel sorry for Rhona, biologically she is the Ivy's mother, so is bound to feel drawn to her. I do not understand why she cannot just explain this to her family. It is a difficult but understandable situation, with no obvious solution, but made more difficult by Rhona's way of dealing with it.

[Perdita]

I feel sorry for Rhona, biologically she is the Ivy's mother, so is bound to feel drawn to her. I do not understand why she cannot just explain this to her family. It is a difficult but understandable situation, with no obvious solution, but made more difficult by Rhona's way of dealing with it.

Her family know but are concerned that she should not/cannot get involved.... I am glad it is not something I will ever have to decide on....

[Son of Cain]

Her family know but are concerned that she should not/cannot get involved.... I am glad it is not something I will ever have to decide on....

I am not sure she should not/cannot get involved, if Gus realizes he cannot cope, the she may have to. Not sure how this would work out unless Gus gives the baby up for adoption and Rhona takes over. This being a Soap I think the baby will end up with Rhona. Agree, it is not something I would ever want to have to decide on.

[Son of Cain]

Filofax alert - Was this an unscreened episode from the eighties?

[Son of Cain]

I do not fully understand why it was necessary to keep the manner of Craig's death a secret, even if they did not tell the police I wonder if they should have confided in Sam and Lydia. The longer this story carries on, the more difficult I find it to fully sympathize with Lydia. I know it seems wrong not to sympathize with a rape victim but some of her behaviour just does seem real or logical. Her concern for whether Craig suffered and if anyone was with him when he passed seems just a bit too much, even allowing for the fact that she used to be a grief councillor. Then to accuse Kim of deliberately killing him just seems a step too far. It is almost as if they are suggesting Lydia was still in love with Craig. There's drama and there's too much drama.

[katie hunter]

I do not fully understand why it was necessary to keep the manner of Craig's death a secret, even if they did not tell the police I wonder if they should have confided in Sam and Lydia. The longer this story carries on, the more difficult I find it to fully sympathize with Lydia. I know it seems wrong not to sympathize with a rape victim but some of her behaviour just does seem real or logical. Her concern for whether Craig suffered and if anyone was with him when he passed seems just a bit too much, even allowing for the fact that she used to be a grief councillor. Then to accuse Kim of deliberately killing him just seems a step too far. It is almost as if they are suggesting Lydia was still in love with Craig. There's drama and there's too much drama.

I agree. The whole storyline has been diluted and its become just plain annoying. I thought it was odd that Lydia was contemplating going to his funeral but now shes mooching about as if her lover was murdered. I wouldn't be surprised if she reports Kim to the Police. I think the writers have lost the plot and don't know what to do?

[Dennis tanner]

Lydia has no place calling herself Mrs Dingle. She is the most undingle person I can imagine.

Kim was stupid to tell her what she did because she can't handle it. Will Ethan get Lydia's job ?

Rum and Coconut cake ? Big YES. Chocolate sprouts? Big NO

[johntrevor]

I agree. The whole storyline has been diluted and its become just plain annoying. I thought it was odd that Lydia was contemplating going to his funeral but now shes mooching about as if her lover was murdered. I wouldn't be surprised if she reports Kim to the Police. I think the writers have lost the plot and don't know what to do?

Yes I agree. The scriptwriters have got Lydia mooching around moaning, about the poor rapist Craig's death. Everybody, including the police, are happy that the horse dealt the death blow. So what if Sam beat him up, what husband wouldn't want to do exactly the same, I know I would.

[Perdita]

I agree. The whole storyline has been diluted and its become just plain annoying. I thought it was odd that Lydia was contemplating going to his funeral but now shes mooching about as if her lover was murdered. I wouldn't be surprised if she reports Kim to the Police. I think the writers have lost the plot and don't know what to do?

I get some of it... contemplating going to his funeral.. he was the father of their stillborn child.. I can imagine Lydia still has a sense of wanting to pay her respects to that part of Craig. She know how Craig was killed but I also get that he would not have been if Sam had not beaten the crap out of him first and left him in the field on his own. So she is probably seeing some injustice there and she is normally a very fair headed person. I also think that her behaviour is down to feeling a lot of guilt, self-doubt (did she maybe unknowingly lead him on, did she give wrong signals, could she have fought him harder??) I think that Emmerdale are trying to portray some of the so many many ways a rape victim can feel afterwards and how the experience can change a person's behaviour. Difficult for the victim and family and friends not knowing how to best support.

[Son of Cain]

I get some of it... contemplating going to his funeral.. he was the father of their stillborn child.. I can imagine Lydia still has a sense of wanting to pay her respects to that part of Craig. She know how Craig was killed but I also get that he would not have been if Sam had not beaten the crap out of him first and left him in the field on his own. So she is probably seeing some injustice there and she is normally a very fair headed person. I also think that her behaviour is down to feeling a lot of guilt, self-doubt (did she maybe unknowingly lead him on, did she give wrong signals, could she have fought him harder??) I think that Emmerdale are trying to portray some of the so many many ways a rape victim can feel afterwards and how the experience can change a person's behaviour. Difficult for the victim and family and friends not knowing how to best support.

I agree with what you say in a general way about the response to the rape, especially the part about Sam beating him up. A bit of the butterfly effect and chaos theory there. Without the beating he would not have been in the field when Kim was out riding, and would probably still be alive today. But she did say "NO" and what happened after that is, and should be on Craig, so no need for her to feel guilty. Pity we do not see her at counselling, as the councellor should be helping her to see she is not to blame in any way. Lydia herself admitted that she seems to take charge of the sessions and reverses the roles somewhat. I would not think this the best way for her to get the best out of it. Her friends and family want to help and support her, but she will not let them. Now she has turned on Kim who has bent over backwards to help her. I wonder if Lydia was the wrong character to carry this story. There is something about her "little mouse" demeanour, the way she holds her hand's in front of her body and takes little short steps, that I find off putting. Unfair, I know, probably says more about me than it does about Lydia.

[Perdita]

I agree with what you say in a general way about the response to the rape, especially the part about Sam beating him up. A bit of the butterfly effect and chaos theory there. Without the beating he would not have been in the field when Kim was out riding, and would probably still be alive today. But she did say "NO" and what happened after that is, and should be on Craig, so no need for her to feel guilty. Pity we do not see her at counselling, as the councellor should be helping her to see she is not to blame in any way. Lydia herself admitted that she seems to take charge of the sessions and reverses the roles somewhat. I would not think this the best way for her to get the best out of it. I wonder if Lydia was the wrong character to carry this story. There is something about her "little mouse" demeanour, the way she holds her hand's in front of her body and takes little short steps, that I find off putting. Unfair, I know, probably says more about me than it does about Lydia.

I find this reversal therapy interesting...not making interesting viewing at the moment, I agree but I want to know where Emmerdale are taking this. Karen is a great actress, that is for sure and so are all the other characters involved in this...

[Dennis tanner]

Lydia apologised for shouting at Kim but what shs said didn't come from nowhere. The resentment was real.

[katie hunter]

Lydia apologised for shouting at Kim but what shs said didn't come from nowhere. The resentment was real.

I think Kim is an easy punching bag for Lydia. Despite her hard-nosed rep she has been a really good friend to her. And not just through this, she has given her pay rises whenever she's asked and let's her come and go as she pleases. Lydia is off again and will probably expect to have her job open for her when she eventually returns as well.

[Dennis tanner]

I think Kim is an easy punching bag for Lydia. Despite her hard-nosed rep she has been a really good friend to her. And not just through this, she has given her pay rises whenever she's asked and let's her come and go as she pleases. Lydia is off again and will probably expect to have her job open for her when she eventually returns as well.

All true. Kim needs to know that Lydia is not her friend. I doubt if she has told her how long she will be away so she can be replaced.

[Snagglepus]

Eric talking to David asking if Priya and his granddaughter Amba are ok, never asked of his grandson Theo.

[Perdita]

There is something about her "little mouse" demeanour, the way she holds her hand's in front of her body and takes little short steps, That can be a sub-conscious act of self protection.

[Son of Cain]

I think Kim is an easy punching bag for Lydia. Despite her hard-nosed rep she has been a really good friend to her. And not just through this, she has given her pay rises whenever she's asked and let's her come and go as she pleases. Lydia is off again and will probably expect to have her job open for her when she eventually returns as well.

They have softened Kim over the years, in the past she was involved in quite a lot of criminality. Now apart from a bit of tax evasion she seems fairly straight, at least any crimes are not mentioned. The Kim of old would not have been so kind to Lydia.

[Dennis tanner]

They have softened Kim over the years, in the past she was involved in quite a lot of criminality. Now apart from a bit of tax evasion she seems fairly straight, at least any crimes are not mentioned. The Kim of old would not have been so kind to Lydia.

On the other hand Kim was always very fond of Seth.

[Perdita]

I know Lydia needs space to deal with recent events but I find it hard to understand that she would not be with the family at Christmas...

[Son of Cain]

I know Lydia needs space to deal with recent events but I find it hard to understand that she would not be with the family at Christmas...

Is this because she does not want to spoil it for them, or I wonder if she holding them partly to blame. I understand why she finds it hard to forgive Sam because she does not approve of violence, although she never got this upset in the past when Cain has kicked off over something. If she is not ready to accept help from the family could she simply not say to them, please leave me alone until she is ready, instead of snapping at them in such an aggressive way. Perhaps she should have went to her mother's sooner, to save them from stepping on eggshells round her. I am still finding it hard to engage with this story.

[johntrevor]

Is this because she does not want to spoil it for them, or I wonder if she holding them partly to blame. I understand why she finds it hard to forgive Sam because she does not approve of violence, although she never got this upset in the past when Cain has kicked off over something. If she is not ready to accept help from the family could she simply not say to them, please leave me alone until she is ready, instead of snapping at them in such an aggressive way. Perhaps she should have went to her mother's sooner, to save them from stepping on eggshells round her. I am still finding it hard to engage with this story.

Me too.

[Perdita]

Me too.

She could have said so... sorry Sam, sorry Samson, my head is not in the right place, I will be back when I feel I can cope. Counselling has not helped by the look of things, will spending time with her mother really do the trick???? This is similar to Aggie in Corrie not being able to be with immediate family at Christmas.... neither storyline believable...

[lizann]

lydia hasn't a good relationship with her mother and sister as they wanted her to dump sam and now she is going to see them, stay with them

[Dennis tanner]

I know Lydia needs space to deal with recent events but I find it hard to understand that she would not be with the family at Christmas...

But she is going to be phoning them all the time !!!

As a bonus she would not be doing all the work while Mandy fills the settee

[lizann]

samson on dingle chef cook duties and poor gail no crimbo invite

does caleb know tracy was a sex worker who befriended sam

[Dennis tanner]

Does Kim now realise that she was stupid to try and tell Lydia the truth. It could make it difficult to sack the ungrateful pair.

Yess Pollard you are ill but you asre also really annoying me.

[Snagglepus]

Matilda needs to grow a pair of balls. He whinged to Amy about keeping secrets from him then tells her he doesn't like having secrets and having to tell lies. It was him that wanted to know in the first place. He's like an old woman.
Amy needs to dump him.
They also remembered about Theo tonight.

[Dennis tanner]

Kim continues to suck up to the Dingles .

The NHS Doctor continues to concentrate on the treatment of just one of her neighbours

Matty is a fool and Mack is mental.

Sam's son is hoping to be able to get a mortgage now he has a job.

[katie hunter]

Theo mention.

How on earth Lydia managed to earn a bonus is beyond me. No bonus for Sam then?

[Perdita]

Theo mention.

How on earth Lydia managed to earn a bonus is beyond me. No bonus for Sam then?

Might have been a combined payment

[Dennis tanner]

Theo mention.

How on earth Lydia managed to earn a bonus is beyond me. No bonus for Sam then?

When will the Real Kim return ?

[lizann]

Theo mention.

How on earth Lydia managed to earn a bonus is beyond me. No bonus for Sam then?

sam will probably poach his bonus off the land

[Son of Cain]

sam will probably poach his bonus off the land

Has he not already got it, when he pinched the Christmas tree?

[Dennis tanner]

This might sound like a daft question, but how did they know which park to go to ?

[lizann]

This might sound like a daft question, but how did they know which park to go to ?

i presume mack was reading old messages and got it that way, im surprised amy had no lock on her phone

[Snagglepus]

I'm surprised Amy had no lock on her phone
Amy was using the phone when it fell so was already unlocked. Mack gave it to Charity and told her to keep it unlocked.

[lizann]

Amy was using the phone when it fell so was already unlocked. Mack gave it to Charity and told her to keep it unlocked.

my phone locks itself when not in use, so was charity playing games or texting talking to herself to keep it unlocked

[Snagglepus]

my phone locks itself when not in use, so was charity playing games or texting talking to herself to keep it unlocked

Something like that.

[Son of Cain]

This might sound like a daft question, but how did they know which park to go to ?

They knew she was in Chapeltown, so guessing there is only one park there. Looking at the map, Potternewton Park, is the only park in Chapelton, although there are also some green spaces. Charity did say it was the only one.

[Son of Cain]

Wondering if Rodney also has Parkinson's or some other disease?

[lizann]

Wondering if Rodney also has Parkinson's or some other disease?

fear getting older, dying for himself and friends

[Perdita]

Wondering if Rodney also has Parkinson's or some other disease?

I think he has realised his own mortality... I like the character and the actor.. he is 85 now ... I hope he has a lot more years in Emmerdale.

[lizann]

so now harry revealed as "daddy to chloe" who wants mack offed

[Dennis tanner]

Deleted scene.

Paddy, "What would you like to do Christmas, Eve?"

Eve, " I'm more interested in Christmas day "

[johntrevor]

I think he has realised his own mortality... I like the character and the actor.. he is 85 now ... I hope he has a lot more years in Emmerdale.

Yes been a good character over the years, and good actor in Special Branch and many other series.

[Son of Cain]

Yes been a good character over the years, and good actor in Special Branch and many other series.

Sad news that Zack will not return, Steve Halliwell has died. He has not looked well for a while now. R.I.P. Zack Dingle, you're will be missed.

[Perdita]

Sad news that Zack will not return, Steve Halliwell has died. He has not looked well for a while now. R.I.P. Zack Dingle, you're will be missed.

That has really hit me a little.. loved the character from day 1...he will be missed by the cast and of course us fans.... RIP Steve/Zack

[lizann]

Yes daddy dingle the patriarch iconic character iconic family

[Dennis tanner]

Sad news that Zack will not return, Steve Halliwell has died. He has not looked well for a while now. R.I.P. Zack Dingle, you're will be missed.

Yes a real Emmerdale Legend.

[Son of Cain]

If Harry is going to kill Mack can he just get on the do it. Never understood why, in Soaps, victims are always kept tied up, giving them a chance to be rescued or escape. While he is at it can he kill Aaron too.

[Perdita]

If Harry is going to kill Mack can he just get on the do it. Never understood why, in Soaps, victims are always kept tied up, giving them a chance to be rescued or escape. While he is at it can he kill Aaron too.
It is all in the name of DRAMA. Lol

[Son of Cain]

It is all in the name of DRAMA. Lol

It happens so often, it fails to be DRAMATIC.

[lizann]

If Harry is going to kill Mack can he just get on the do it. Never understood why, in Soaps, victims are always kept tied up, giving them a chance to be rescued or escape. While he is at it can he kill Aaron too.


yes how has harry not came after aaron for running him down, he did get the money but still he is supposedly a tough hard man criminal

[katie hunter]

Has Will (the ex jailbird) forgotten that he covered up a murder to protect his daughter?

[Son of Cain]

Has Will (the ex jailbird) forgotten that he covered up a murder to protect his daughter?

Memories only last a very short time in Soaps. Even Amy seems to have forgotten her part in Frank's death.

I do not know why Kim had to keep Craig's death a secret anyway. She simply had to say that Craig run towards her, tried to grab the horse's reins, and it reared up and kicked him in the head. Which is what actually happened, no one would have thought that she did it on purpose.

[Dennis tanner]

If Harry is going to kill Mack can he just get on the do it. Never understood why, in Soaps, victims are always kept tied up, giving them a chance to be rescued or escape. While he is at it can he kill Aaron too.

It never occured to peabrain Mack that his predicament might be something to do with Chloe.

Calm down Will or get you and your family out of Home farm.

Kim, I said days ago that you were idiotic to confess to the unstable Lydia.

[tammyy2j]

Has Will (the ex jailbird) forgotten that he covered up a murder to protect his daughter?

Was Malone's body ever discovered, a storyline just dropped

[Son of Cain]

Was Malone's body ever discovered, a storyline just dropped

I think Will eventually told Kim who had the body dug up and destroyed somehow, maybe burnt. Cannot remember how his disappearance was explained, was it assumed he had done a runner after his criminal activities came to light?

[johntrevor]

I think Will eventually told Kim who had the body dug up and destroyed somehow, maybe burnt. Cannot remember how his disappearance was explained, was it assumed he had done a runner after his criminal activities came to light?

Yes Kim said she would sort it, and later was talking to someone on the phone about a job she wanted doing.

[Snagglepus]

Was Malone's body be ever discovered, a storyline just dropped
Will Moira remember where she buried the gun?

[lizann]

Will Moira remember where she buried the gun?

what gun?

[Son of Cain]

Winding up someone, threatening you with a length of metal pipe, while you are tied to a chair. - Way to go.

[Son of Cain]

How many people live in the village of Emmerdale? I cannot believe that a fair would set up in a place so small. When I worked as a photographer for a local newspaper, I used to cover similar events, Spring, Summer, Christmas and bank holiday fairs, and most of the time not many people turned up, those that did, did not have the money to spend on the rides. I used to spend quite a lot of time chatting to the ride operators while waiting for the chance to snap people "enjoying themselves" and they told me that it was becoming more and more difficult to cover their costs. The cost of transport, maintenance and running costs of a carousel are considerable and would be lucky to break even in a tiny place like Emmerdale.

Also on the cost of an outdoor ice rink would be nowhere near, ?65,000, these ice rinks do not use real ice, they made of some sort of hard plastic or resin. No freezing is involved.

[katie hunter]

How many people live in the village of Emmerdale? I cannot believe that a fair would set up in a place so small. When I worked as a photographer for a local newspaper, I used to cover similar events, Spring, Summer, Christmas and bank holiday fairs, and most of the time not many people turned up, those that did, did not have the money to spend on the rides. I used to spend quite a lot of time chatting to the ride operators while waiting for the chance to snap people "enjoying themselves" and they told me that it was becoming more and more difficult to cover their costs. The cost of transport, maintenance and running costs of a carousel are considerable and would be lucky to break even in a tiny place like Emmerdale.

Also on the cost of an outdoor ice rink would be nowhere near, ?65,000, these ice rinks do not use real ice, they made of some sort of hard plastic or resin. No freezing is involved.

It was a very impressive set up for a small village.

[Snagglepus]

Surprised they never called the baby Adam, no sign of an umbilical cord.

[Dennis tanner]

It was a very impressive set up for a small village.

Not just a small village, the smallest village in the whole of Yorkshire. Were all the extra people staying at the B&B ? I am not convinced by you Livesy. You are still a total pratt.

Torvill the Red nose reindeer ...didn't have a shiny nose.

Deleted scene..." How long has he been tied up there Dad? Has he been to the toilet yet? "

Chloe keeps on about being left for dead, How come she woke up in hospital ?

Where was Clemmy's boyfriend ?

[lizann]

cain as grumpy santa

no one at a busy fair sees tracy and caleb

[Son of Cain]

cain as grumpy santa

no one at a busy fair sees tracy and caleb

Can't wait until Tracey and Caleb are caught out.

[Son of Cain]

Surprised they never called the baby Adam, no sign of an umbilical cord.

Wondering how long it takes to empty the birthing pool afterwards, do they use a bucket or do they have a pump, and pump it out the window.

[johntrevor]

Well the Torvill and Dean storyline turned out to be a massive load of rubbish.

[Son of Cain]

Has Will (the ex jailbird) forgotten that he covered up a murder to protect his daughter?

Found it very odd that Kim did not mention this when Will was disapproving of her accidentally killing Craig. Not realistic at all.

[lizann]

Wondering how long it takes to empty the birthing pool afterwards, do they use a bucket or do they have a pump, and pump it out the window.

with no lydia, kim or dawn must have cleaned and deflated

gangster chloe and harry can do one, preferably off a cliff no return

[Snagglepus]

what gun?
The gun that was used to kill Malone.

[lizann]

The gun that was used to kill Malone.

moira has it, was it hers?

[lizann]

has harry a nanny for reuben when he and chloe act tough out away with mack

[Dennis tanner]

has harry a nanny for reuben when he and chloe act tough out away with mack

My best response to this is to say, " Don't ask"

[lizann]

surely mack being kidnapped tortured and nearly killed has the advantage over chloe and why have her leave with kerry returning even though im glad she is gone

[katie hunter]

surely mack being kidnapped tortured and nearly killed has the advantage over chloe and why have her leave with kerry returning even though im glad she is gone

I'm glad she's gone too but it was a ridiculous way for her to leave. Wouldn't the police want her to stick around for questioning? What about her dad's funeral/estate? Did Mack actually sign anything? I doubt Harry actually sorted out fake passports for her so where is she going to go?

Moira keeping stum about the affair will not end well.

[lizann]

moira was acting jealous

[Perdita]

Sam will be comforted by Mandy when he is missing Lydia, press making out they will have a fling.... Please no, enough bed hopping cheats in that little village already..

[lizann]

Sam will be comforted by Mandy when he is missing Lydia, press making out they will have a fling.... Please no, enough bed hopping cheats in that little village already..

omg please no but dingles do keep it in the family

[Dennis tanner]

Sam will be comforted by Mandy when he is missing Lydia, press making out they will have a fling.... Please no, enough bed hopping cheats in that little village already..

What will Egghead think about it ?

[Son of Cain]

Christmas in Emmerdale was pretty depressing this year. Struggling to think of anything uplifting. Personally, I am sorry to see Chloe go, yes, yes, I know, many of you are glad, but I would rather have seen Mack gone. Only good thing about Chloe going is that it upset smug Amy.

Cannot wait for Tracey to be found out, she is really showing her true colours now.

[johntrevor]

Christmas in Emmerdale was pretty depressing this year. Struggling to think of anything uplifting. Personally, I am sorry to see Chloe go, yes, yes, I know, many of you are glad, but I would rather have seen Mack gone. Only good thing about Chloe going is that it upset smug Amy.

Cannot wait for Tracey to be found out, she is really showing her true colours now.

Not sure that Caleb will let her get away with blackmail.

[Son of Cain]

Not sure that Caleb will let her get away with blackmail.
Hope not.

Like to see them both run out of town (Village) on a Rail.

[lizann]

Not sure that Caleb will let her get away with blackmail.

caleb should threaten his flash expensive legal team to nate to get full custody of frankie as tracy left with frankie over nate's one night stand

[katie hunter]

Rhona is coming across as very selfish, I wouldn't be surprised if Marlon takes the kids and leaves her to it.

Tracey thinks she holds all the cards but she has more to lose than Caleb, I hope he calls her bluff and tells Cain the truth.

[Dennis tanner]

Rhona is coming across as very selfish, I wouldn't be surprised if Marlon takes the kids and leaves her to it.

Tracey thinks she holds all the cards but she has more to lose than Caleb, I hope he calls her bluff and tells Cain the truth.

I don't think that Cain would be that bothered. I think that he would be a bit pleased that Nate had been betrayed.

I am puzzled aboiut Charity. She would normally not be so bothered.

No vetting available. They all had something else to do, even though the proposal was nothoing to do with Egghead.

[tammyy2j]

I thought Tom loved ice skating but couldn't skate

[Dennis tanner]

I thought Tom loved ice skating but couldn't skate

No problem. We have dancing on ice to look forward to on ITV

[Perdita]

I did not want the illegal drive to end in death, hopefully it will make others aware that driving without qualifications can lead to accidents but without proper training and.driving lessons it is a bad idea, don't do it!

[lizann]

i did not expect that outcome with heath but then chloe survived her massive crash

poor bob, tony smashing it in grieve

[lizann]

is cathy innocent was angelica driving

[Dennis tanner]

is cathy innocent was angelica driving

Cathy is guilty. I hope she was given a breath test etc. She was stupid and selfish. She thought she could drive. I know this is fiction but it happens in real life far too often.

If Wendy doesn't report it as theft she will lose her insurance and cop for a load of offences herself.

[Son of Cain]

i did not expect that outcome with heath but then chloe survived her massive crash

poor bob, tony smashing it in grieve

I was surprised with tonight's episode, I try, usually unsuccessfully, to avoid spoilers, so tonight's episode was a complete surprize. I liked Heath best of the Emmerdale teens, even though he did not feature much, he had no malice in him, unlike Cathy. Hope the actor is moving on to better things.

[Son of Cain]

With Aaron and Mack out on the roads, up to no good, I fully expected them to somehow be involved in the teen's car crash.

[johntrevor]

I was surprised with tonight's episode, I try, usually unsuccessfully, to avoid spoilers, so tonight's episode was a complete surprize. I liked Heath best of the Emmerdale teens, even though he did not feature much, he had no malice in him, unlike Cathy. Hope the actor is moving on to better things.

I usually catch up on the spoilers, but can't recall this death being mentioned. As you say, he appered to be one of the better youngsters in Emmerdale. Bob's acting was spot on. Mack and Aaron referred to a near miss, not sure whether they were talking about the youngsters car or maybe a near miss with the police.

[lizann]

With Aaron and Mack out on the roads, up to no good, I fully expected them to somehow be involved in the teen's car crash.

we didn't see the crash so they have been involved, i wonder did angelica and cathy change drivers, the death was a surprise like rishi as no spoilers

[Son of Cain]

I usually catch up on the spoilers, but can't recall this death being mentioned. As you say, he appered to be one of the better youngsters in Emmerdale. Bob's acting was spot on. Mack and Aaron referred to a near miss, not sure whether they were talking about the youngsters car or maybe a near miss with the police.

Mack did say something about pulling over to avoid being stopped by the police. Mack and Aaron were going to Skipdale, and the twins to Hotten, so we do not know if they were on the same road.

It looked like Heath had his seat belt on, so surprised his injuries were so serious, especially as Chloe went over a cliff and seemed to be up and about in quite a short time.

[Son of Cain]

It was good to know that people that buy stolen cars were working on New Year's Eve, since Mack and Aaron have already been paid. With hard working people like this, Britain will be out of debt in no time.

[lizann]

marks and bruises and prints can determined the driver, i do think it is angelica

[Dennis tanner]

marks and bruises and prints can determined the driver, i do think it is angelica

She was a bit slow to deny it but I just don't understand why she would want to drive.

I know one thin g for sure. She will never get to hear Heath call her Angel in the morning.

[katie hunter]

If they were all wearing seat belts the impact bruising should prove who the driver was. If they bother to check that is :/

Tony Aldenshaw is playing a blinder.

I know the actors playing Cathy and Heath are twins in real life but I never noticed how similar they were until that photo of Heath shown tonight.

[Dennis tanner]

If they were all wearing seat belts the impact bruising should prove who the driver was. If they bother to check that is :/

In view of the allegations made they will have to make all possible checks.

[lizann]

a nursery in the woods with camp fires, what a idea tracy

i think nicola's knows her angel was driving

[Dennis tanner]

a nursery in the woods with camp fires, what a idea tracy

Totally daft

[Son of Cain]

a nursery in the woods with camp fires, what a idea tracy

i think nicola's knows her angel was driving

Does Tracey own a wood? She would have to buy on rent a one, presumably from Kim, would she agree? She could set it up in Belle's Wellness Centre in the woods, she does not seem to use it much now.

[lizann]

did they crash just outside the village, no one will believe cathy except brenda and maybe wendy

i can't see diane bernice and paul being OK with vic and jacob

[Dennis tanner]

did they crash just outside the village, no one will believe cathy except brenda and maybe wendy Were they on the way back when they crashed. Cathy is a known liar and bully.


i can't see diane bernice and paul being OK with vic and jacob I was shocked that Eric wasn't that angry that his son had been driven away.

[lizann]

they were driving to a party outside the village, was it in hotten

[Perdita]

they were driving to a party outside the village, was it in hotten

Yes, they were on their way to Hotten

[Perdita]

Very good words from Liam to Bob about others also grieving and that he should allow friends and family to share the grief. Absolut amazing acting from all concerned with the accident.

[Son of Cain]

Has Angel ever shown any interest in cars? Would she be able to drive? Has she ever driven a car before? If not why would she volunteer to drive? If she was driving was it because Cathy told her to. I do not understand why they would stop and change drivers. It seems unlikely they would do so, but I think it will turn out that Angel was driving.

[johntrevor]

Very good words from Liam to Bob about others also grieving and that he should allow friends and family to share the grief. Absolut amazing acting from all concerned with the accident.

Yes I agree the acting was superb.

[johntrevor]

Has Angel ever shown any interest in cars? Would she be able to drive? Has she ever driven a car before? If not why would she volunteer to drive? If she was driving was it because Cathy told her to. I do not understand why they would stop and change drivers. It seems unlikely they would do so, but I think it will turn out that Angel was driving.

Yes I think its clear from Angel's demeanor something is not quite right.

[Son of Cain]

Yes I think its clear from Angel's demeanor something is not quite right.

Whether Cathy or Angel was driving at the time of the crash, I think the major share of the blame for Heath's death lies with Cathy. It was her idea to take the car and it was her who took the keys.

[johntrevor]

Whether Cathy or Angel was driving at the time of the crash, I think the major share of the blame for Heath's death lies with Cathy. It was her idea to take the car and it was her who took the keys.

Yes she is to blame, for most of it, but if she wasnt driving at the time of the collision, then the one that was, is responsible for the death. Unfortunately the only other person that knows who was driving is poor Heath. So unless Angel tells the truth, if she is guilty, then no will ever know. I dont think Emmerdale will keep this secret for too long, they love a big reveal storyline.

[Snagglepus]

did they crash just outside the village,

Although they seemed to be driving fast for a while before the crash (and possibly changed drivers that we didn't see) they apparently only travelled walking distance away.

[Perdita]

Has Angel ever shown any interest in cars? Would she be able to drive? Has she ever driven a car before? If not why would she volunteer to drive? If she was driving was it because Cathy told her to. I do not understand why they would stop and change drivers. It seems unlikely they would do so, but I think it will turn out that Angel was driving. Angel told the police she did not drive as she does not know how to

[Snagglepus]

Matt Skilbeck will be returning to mend t'dry stone wall.

[Son of Cain]

Angel told the police she did not drive as she does not know how to

Just because she SAYS she does not know how to drive, does not mean she did not get behind the wheel. Modern kids, who have played computer games, I believe would find it easier to learn than past generations. The hardest part of learning to drive, is clutch control and gear changing, the car was an automatic so all she had to do was put her foot on the accelerator and steer, not to difficult as there was little traffic. I think they are trying to make us think that because of Cathy's lying and bad behavior in the past, she is lying again here. Much bigger twist and drama, though not that big a surprize, if it was Angel, although I do not understand why she would do that, unless she was bullied or persuaded by Heath and Cathy..

[Son of Cain]

Matt Skilbeck will be returning to mend t'dry stone wall.

I would look forward to that, about time we got down on the farm again.

[lizann]

Has Angel ever shown any interest in cars? Would she be able to drive? Has she ever driven a car before? If not why would she volunteer to drive? If she was driving was it because Cathy told her to. I do not understand why they would stop and change drivers. It seems unlikely they would do so, but I think it will turn out that Angel was driving.

heath said cathy was going too slow so let him or angelica drive, we saw heath dead in the back seat so assume angelica did drive

[lizann]

victoria and jacob is void of any chemistry and just wrong

[Dennis tanner]

If Angel had never driven before, I can't see that she would be driving fast enough to cause the damage and a fatality. I still say that Cathy was driving but it's not my decision.

Tonights episode.

Go Gail !!!!

Lydia refused to return Kim should stop grovelling and get a permanent replacement.

[johntrevor]

heath said cathy was going too slow so let him or angelica drive, we saw heath dead in the back seat so assume angelica did drive

Yes Cathy was being criticised for going to slow, maybe she stopped, got out and said let's see one of you two do better, and Angel jumped in to impress Heath.

[lizann]

again why is lydia angry at kim still and giving up a good job

[Dennis tanner]

again why is lydia angry at kim still and giving up a good job

She's a strange one is Lydia.

[Son of Cain]

If Angel had never driven before, I can't see that she would be driving fast enough to cause the damage and a fatality. I still say that Cathy was driving but it's not my decision.

Especially as Heath seemed to be wearing his seat belt, and Cathy and Angel also wearing their's when we last saw them with Cathy driving. Chloe goes off a cliff, survived and up and about in a fairly short time. Heath dead after car hits a wall? One thing we now know they are not good at depicting realistic car crashes. You would expect Cathy and Angel in the front Seatrs to come off worst.

[Dennis tanner]

Especially as Heath seemed to be wearing his seat belt, and Cathy and Angel also wearing their's when we last saw them with Cathy driving. Chloe goes off a cliff, survived and up and about in a fairly short time. Heath dead after car hits a wall? One thing we now know they are not good at depicting car realistic car crashes. You would expect Cathy and Angel in the front Seatrs to come off worst.

Cuts and bruises only.

[lizann]

Cuts and bruises only.

angel's from glass perhaps no major injuries for her and cathy, they were up outside the car when bob and wendy arrived

[lizann]

maybe heath didn't die from the crash, autopsy will determine, underlying unknown illness?

[Son of Cain]

maybe heath didn't die from the crash, autopsy will determine, underlying unknown illness?

I was told by a Fire and Rescue worker that one of the main causes of death in head on crashes is damage to internal organs and bleeding in the brain, cause by the jolt of the collision. If that is the case with Heath it is unlikely that Cathy and Angel would have escaped without more serious injury. Frequently the engine is pushed back into the footwell of the car, causing damage to the legs of the driver and passenger and often trapping them from being able to exit the car. The steering wheel can also be pushed back trapping and causing chest injuries to the driver. None of these things happened here, making it even more puzzling that Heath suffered such an extreme fate.

[Son of Cain]

angel's from glass perhaps no major injuries for her and cathy, they were up outside the car when bob and wendy arrived

Seemingly showing no concern for Heath? - Shock?

[Dennis tanner]

I was told by a Fire and Rescue worker that one of the main causes of death in head on crashes is damage to internal organs and bleeding in the brain, cause by the jolt of the collision. If that is the case with Heath it is unlikely that Cathy and Angel would have escaped without more serious injury. Frequently the engine is pushed back into the footwell of the car, causing damage to the legs of the driver and passenger and often trapping them from being able to exit the car. The steering wheel can also be pushed back trapping and causing chest injuries to the driver. None of these things happened here, making it even more puzzling that Heath suffered such an extreme fate.


One would almost suspect that none of them were in a car that crashed.

[Perdita]

I was told by a Fire and Rescue worker that one of the main causes of death in head on crashes is damage to internal organs and bleeding in the brain, cause by the jolt of the collision. If that is the case with Heath it is unlikely that Cathy and Angel would have escaped without more serious injury. Frequently the engine is pushed back into the footwell of the car, causing damage to the legs of the driver and passenger and often trapping them from being able to exit the car. The steering wheel can also be pushed back trapping and causing chest injuries to the driver. None of these things happened here, making it even more puzzling that Heath suffered such an extreme fate.

Was there any sign of the airbags being deployed???

[Dennis tanner]

I am a bit worried about Charity.

Bob should not let Cathy speak at the funeral. She is a loose cannon

Did Lydiot really think that Kim meant to kill Craig?

[lizann]

zaks dirty kecks brought lydia and kim together with kim cleaning the dingle villa

[Perdita]

zaks dirty kecks brought lydia and kim together with kim cleaning the dingle villa

I wonder when they will address his death .... :(

[Son of Cain]

Was there any sign of the airbags being deployed???

Hard to see but it did not look like it.

Heath had a very nasty gash on his head, hard to see how that happened with his seat belt on. Modern cars have laminated windscreen which I do not think shatter like older one did.

[Son of Cain]

Brenda seems very forgiving of Cathy, I do not remember her reproaching Cathy once, for taking the car in the first place.