Emmerdale - Current Episode Discussion - III

[Dennis tanner]

I actually agree, Lizann. Although he was wrong to tell April about her mother's suicide, it happened in an organic manner. Ross was really the hero of the day and Mack was completely to blame.

It's interesting. I didn't know Ross from the past and liked him from the start. I liked how he didn't have ego and agreed to throw the fight to help Billy get out of the mess he was in, without getting killed. I like how he came through for April as hard as it was for him to revisit that location. I don't understand why he is comfortable going upstairs with Steph while her parents and grandfather are one story below, but it was a fun soapy scene that made me laugh.
NO NO NO. Barton is not a hero. He is a criminal thug and he needs to leave .

[lizann]

did ross call caleb, collab

[Son of Cain]

NO NO NO. Barton is not a hero. He is a criminal thug and he needs to leave .

.......... in a box.

[Snagglepus]

.......... in a box.

.....with Aaron and Mack squashed in with him.

[ccahill2]

It looks like Moira went blonde while having brain surgery.

[Son of Cain]

Where did April get a bottle of vodka, did she get it from home, or steal it. If it was full when she started drinking she had drunk nearly half the bottle, yet did not seem very drunk. She was tackling it like a seasoned drinker. I never seen April as someone who would turn to the bottle.

The idea that because Marlon did not tell her the truth does not mean he lied to her. Is she any better off now she knows the truth. Personally I would have thought she was better off not knowing.

[Perdita]

Where did April get a bottle of vodka, did she get it from home, or steal it. If it was full when she started drinking she had drunk nearly half the bottle, yet did not seem very drunk. She was tackling it like a seasoned drinker. I never seen April as someone who would turn to the bottle.

The idea that because Marlon did not tell her the truth does not mean he lied to her. Is she any better off now she knows the truth. Personally I would have thought she was better off not knowing.

Typical stereotype depiction of someone in stress... get smashed or cheat on your partner or for those old enough, both.... I can understand April's thinking...I cannot remember whether Donna had told her about having cancer or whether she found out after her mum's death but I think if she had been told that Donna killed herself because she did not want her daughter to see her suffer dying a slow death dependant on chemo or whatever treatment they would have offered her, April might have been more understanding rather than thinking her mum did not want to spend more time with her ... difficult decision to make though..

[ccahill2]

The dynamic between Ruby and her father is so interesting. I think of her as a damaged woman who is always in survival mode, but in last night's conversation with her father, he made demands like 'sit down' and she jumped to do it, just as a child would with a disciplinary parent. It was interesting that a strong personality could revert to child when her father barks a command. I expected her to laugh in his face and tell him that he can't control her any more.

[Dennis tanner]

Where did April get a bottle of vodka, did she get it from home, or steal it. If it was full when she started drinking she had drunk nearly half the bottle, yet did not seem very drunk. She was tackling it like a seasoned drinker. I never seen April as someone who would turn to the bottle.

The idea that because Marlon did not tell her the truth does not mean he lied to her. Is she any better off now she knows the truth. Personally I would have thought she was better off not knowing.

I blame Barton. He's a very bad influence

[Son of Cain]

Terrible drunk acting by Jeff Hordley.

[Son of Cain]

Typical stereotype depiction of someone in stress... get smashed or cheat on your partner or for those old enough, both.... I can understand April's thinking...I cannot remember whether Donna had told her about having cancer or whether she found out after her mum's death but I think if she had been told that Donna killed herself because she did not want her daughter to see her suffer dying a slow death dependant on chemo or whatever treatment they would have offered her, April might have been more understanding rather than thinking her mum did not want to spend more time with her ... difficult decision to make though..
April would have been five when Donna died, personally I do not think it would have been right to time to tell her the truth. At that age all April would have wanted, would be to have her mum back. I do not think she would be capable of understanding anything more than, her mother was gone. Which would then would raise the question, when would be the right time, or if there would ever be a right time? If it was me that had to make a decision like that, I think I would have waited till she was about sixteen.

[katie hunter]

Not liking Cain and his self pitying woes. The writers have really taken a wrong turn with this storyline.

[Dennis tanner]

Terrible drunk acting by Jeff Hordley.

I agree but he did sober up quickly.

[Dennis tanner]

April would have been five when Donna died, personally I do not think it would have been right to time to tell her the truth. At that age all April would have wanted, would be to have her mum back. I do not think she would be capable of understanding anything more than, her mother was gone. Which would then would raise the question, when would be the right time, or if there would ever be a right time? If it was me that had to make a decision like that, I think I would have waited till she was about sixteen.

When would be a good time to tell her that her mom was a criminal ?

[lizann]

im surprised april never went google surfing on donna or the emmerdale google equivalent

[Dennis tanner]

im surprised april never went google surfing on donna or the emmerdale google equivalent

She found 'Donna Windsor' Fictional character.

[Perdita]

im surprised april never went google surfing on donna or the emmerdale google equivalent

Do soaps not use Voggle as search engine?

[Son of Cain]

She found 'Donna Windsor' Fictional character.

The Internet only exists when the writers want it to.

[lizann]

i do like the ross and april scenes

[Dennis tanner]

i do like the ross and april scenes

I would if he wasn't in them.

[ccahill2]

Poor Ruby. Her lecherous father seems all over her at the party and at Steph's encouragement. I really hope Anthony is publicly shamed and in a big way.

[johntrevor]

Poor Ruby. Her lecherous father seems all over her at the party and at Steph's encouragement. I really hope Anthony is publicly shamed and in a big way.

Pretty obvious what was going to happen, when the old pervert in an illfitting ridiculous wig walked in leering and locked the door.

[Son of Cain]

Pretty obvious what was going to happen, when the old pervert in an illfitting ridiculous wig walked in leering and locked the door.

It has been obvious from the start that Anthony had abused Ruby when she was younger, and I understand that she was would want to bury the memory of it, but I wonder whether she should have told Steph the truth to protect her when she realized how close Steph was getting to him. On the other hand I feel it was very selfish of Steph to try and force Ruby to forgive Anthony when it was obvious by her behavior the something very very serious had happened in the past.

[johntrevor]

It has been obvious from the start that Anthony had abused Ruby when she was younger, and I understand that she was would want to bury the memory of it, but I wonder whether she should have told Steph the truth to protect her when she realized how close Steph was getting to him. On the other hand I feel it was very selfish of Steph to try and force Ruby to forgive Anthony when it was obvious by her behavior the something very very serious had happened in the past.

Surely the next reveal will be that he is the father of Steph.

[lizann]

no Aaron and Belle for Cains birthday

[ccahill2]

It was a glaring omission, and I can't speak for Aaron, but for Belle, she probably got the day off because the next couple of weeks will be so intense for her with the trial coming up.

[Son of Cain]

Surely the next reveal will be that he is the father of Steph.

I am thinking this is the reason that Ruby has not told told Steph that Anthony abused her. Is that while Steph might eventually accept Anthony abused her mother, his daughter, it might be too much for her to find out her grandfather is her father and her mother is also her sister.

[ccahill2]

or that her mother didn't give her the heads up that gramps likes to rape little girls.

[Dennis tanner]

Poor Ruby. Her lecherous father seems all over her at the party and at Steph's encouragement. I really hope Anthony is publicly shamed and in a big way.
The best way would be in Crown Court.

[Son of Cain]

Who is the big boss who is trying to bring about Kim's downfall ? I cannot help feeling it us Kim herself. I have no idea what Kim, Will or Peter are up to, nor do I care. I lost all interest and understanding of their machinations a long time ago.

[Dennis tanner]

Who is the big boss who is trying to bring about Kim's downfall ? I cannot help feeling it us Kim herself. I have no idea what Kim, Will or Peter are up to, nor do I care. I lost all interest and understanding of their machinations a long time ago.

Looks like nothing will happen till the renewal of vows malarky

[lizann]

Who is the big boss who is trying to bring about Kim's downfall ? I cannot help feeling it us Kim herself. I have no idea what Kim, Will or Peter are up to, nor do I care. I lost all interest and understanding of their machinations a long time ago.



Joe, Jamie or Steve Merchant are all hinted online

[Son of Cain]

Joe, Jamie or Steve Merchant are all hinted online

I had forgotten these people existed. Personally I dislike when they bring back characters from the past as my memory is not good enough to remember when they refer to incidents that occured then. Eastenders have always been in the habit of doing this and now it is happening more frequently here in Emmerdale.I still think this is some plart of Kim's plan - a double double cross.

[johntrevor]

Who is the big boss who is trying to bring about Kim's downfall ? I cannot help feeling it us Kim herself. I have no idea what Kim, Will or Peter are up to, nor do I care. I lost all interest and understanding of their machinations a long time ago.

Yes me too, I lost interest in this pair around the time of the, Will digging his own grave so Kim could bury him alive, debacle.

[Perdita]

Joe, Jamie or Steve Merchant are all hinted online

Pure fan speculation which usually is wishful thinking... if it is either of them, I am surprised that it has not been revealed yet, rarely happens that a character returns without it being rumbled beforehand..

[Snagglepus]

it might be too much for her to find out her grandfather is her father and her mother is also her sister.
...and that Caleb is her step-dad and also her brother in law.

[Son of Cain]

...and that Caleb is her step-dad and also her brother in law.

Could save on Christmas and birthday cards and presents. On one card/present covers two relatives.

[ccahill2]

It could also explain why she has that extra toe that she always wondered about.

[Son of Cain]

Yes me too, I lost interest in this pair around the time of the, Will digging his own grave so Kim could bury him alive, debacle.

That's where Kim made her big mistake she should have filled in the grave so we and she and she could have forgotten he ever existed.

[johntrevor]

That's where Kim made her big mistake she should have filled in the grave so we and she and she could have forgotten he ever existed.

Well iv'e always liked Kim up until then but that episode did it for me, so far fetched, not sure what the scriptwriters were thinking. Kim has always been very subltle in he revenge, that was so unlike her.

[Dennis tanner]

Well iv'e always liked Kim up until then but that episode did it for me, so far fetched, not sure what the scriptwriters were thinking. Kim has always been very subltle in he revenge, that was so unlike her.

Kim has a quandry. She wants revenge but she doesn't want to be alone.

[ccahill2]

That grave scene was more of a Halloween episode, just shown on another day.

[Perdita]

I missed the start of the episode where Tom apparently tries to kill himself... how did he try?

[Son of Cain]

I missed the start of the episode where Tom apparently tries to kill himself... how did he try?

I do not think you missed anything. Episode opened with bell ringing and guard striding thru prison saying "Code Red, THOMAS KING". Later Belle receives a phone call and says "What's happened - is it serious". We then see Jimmy, Amelia joined by Belle and Sam where Jimmy tells them Tom tried to kill himself. Seems Belle's phone call only told her he had been rushed to A& E. Cut to Tom in a hospital bed where a doctor tells him the lacerations are superficial and he will need to be assessed by a psychologist. Tom then got angry with the doctor because everyone knows. Seems odd that if he had given up on life that he would care about something like that. Pretty poor episode, action off screen, to save money ?.

[johntrevor]

I do not think you missed anything. Episode opened with bell ringing and guard striding thru prison saying "Code Red, THOMAS KING". Later Belle receives a phone call and says "What's happened - is it serious". We then see Jimmy, Amelia joined by Belle and Sam where Jimmy tells them Tom tried to kill himself. Seems Belle's phone call only told her he had been rushed to A& E. Cut to Tom in a hospital bed where a doctor tells him the lacerations are superficial and he will need to be assessed by a psychologist. Tom then got angry with the doctor because everyone knows. Seems odd that if he had given up on life that he would care about something like that. Pretty poor episode, action off screen, to save money ?.

He "pretended" to get angry. As the doctor walked away Tom smirked to himself, because "everyone will know", knowing full well that would include Belle. So still doing his evil manipulation of Belle even from his hospital bed.

[Perdita]

I do not think you missed anything. Episode opened with bell ringing and guard striding thru prison saying "Code Red, THOMAS KING". Later Belle receives a phone call and says "What's happened - is it serious". We then see Jimmy, Amelia joined by Belle and Sam where Jimmy tells them Tom tried to kill himself. Seems Belle's phone call only told her he had been rushed to A& E. Cut to Tom in a hospital bed where a doctor tells him the lacerations are superficial and he will need to be assessed by a psychologist. Tom then got angry with the doctor because everyone knows. Seems odd that if he had given up on life that he would care about something like that. Pretty poor episode, action off screen, to save money ?.

Thanks, I just saw the bit with the guards shouting so not missed anything. Cannot wait for Thursday ..

[ccahill2]

You definitely didn't miss anything. His wrists were bandaged, so it looks like he found a sharp object that he used to pretend that he was slitting his wrists, but he just made surface cuts without doing any real damage. I suspect you'd have deeper wounds from playing with a kitten.

[Dennis tanner]

I do not think you missed anything. Episode opened with bell ringing and guard striding thru prison saying "Code Red, THOMAS KING". Later Belle receives a phone call and says "What's happened - is it serious". We then see Jimmy, Amelia joined by Belle and Sam where Jimmy tells them Tom tried to kill himself. Seems Belle's phone call only told her he had been rushed to A& E. Cut to Tom in a hospital bed where a doctor tells him the lacerations are superficial and he will need to be assessed by a psychologist. Tom then got angry with the doctor because everyone knows. Seems odd that if he had given up on life that he would care about something like that. Pretty poor episode, action off screen, to save money ?.

I don't believe there were any actual cuts.

[ccahill2]

I'm glad that Tom was lifted higher with the thought that he manipulated Belle into not showing up, because his fall will be that much greater.

I just wish that Angel were there to tell about his plan with his solicitor, to really drum home that this is repeated behavior and not with one woman.

[katie hunter]

I hope Kim has worked out what's going on, Will and his 'we get to live rent free' daughter deserve everything that's coming to them.

Looking forward to seeing the smile wiped off Toms face when he sees Belle in court.

[lizann]

is kim and the advisor playing will

[Dennis tanner]

is kim and the advisor playing will

OK but for what purpose ?

[Perdita]

is kim and the advisor playing will

Doubt it, Claire King was on This Morning or some other daytime programme and said there is a 3rd person involved but could not say anything else, obviously

[johntrevor]

Doubt it, Claire King was on This Morning or some other daytime programme and said there is a 3rd person involved but could not say anything else, obviously

Could it be Caleb? His whole purpose in coming to Emmerdale was to bring down Kim, so he could take over what he thought was his, Home Farm, as Frank Tate was his father.

[ccahill2]

Caleb was a really interesting thought!

I was thinking that Kim was behind it until her interview. Now I'm wondering whether Jade has been branching out.

[ccahill2]

I was a bit disappointed in the trial, although I had predicted the outcome.

I wanted Charity and Cain to testify about the blood on the door and Belle's bandaged hand (have they made that correlation yet? They sure believed Tom's version at the time).

I wished the police had reopened the evidence for Vinny's attack, knowing what they know now.

I wanted Belle to talk about how any love for her family sent Tom into a rage so much so that he destroyed her mother's ashes.

I wanted discussion of the burglary and how there was no actual police report despite his insistence that he reported it and how the search of pawn shops didn't turn up those rings, until Tom miraculously found it.

I wanted them to discuss how Tom miraculously turned up wherever Belle was going. I wanted them to discuss Tom hitting Piper with his car and I wish that Rhona said that she wasn't working on Piper all night with Tom.

I wanted Angelica to discuss how Tom's solicitor came to her and how malicious Tom was with his response to her. I wanted the towns people discussing how they saw Tom violently dragging Amelia out of the house. Even the police saw that one, but Amelia said that Tom never hurt her. That's not true, and it was witnessed.

But even still, I thought it was a really good episode, although three years is definitely not enough, and we'll probably have him back on the show in that time to stir up more havoc.

I got a bit teary learning that Belle had been to a support group when I was all frustrated with her for sitting on a park bench. I read that the women in that group were real life abused women. I thought that to be a very well thought out culmination to the story.

[Son of Cain]

Tom is guilty but only got 3 years, so out in 18 months, cannot believe it will end here. What next, escape? Or revenge in 18 months. Karl the foreman's logic was a bit strange. Thought he was not guilty, until he started going through the evidence with Heidi, then has doubts when they discuss the cameras as if he was hearing about them for the first time, but had already heard all the evidence in the court.

It is not over yet.

[lizann]

tom was too cool after the verdict going back to prison, has he another plan with his solicitor, thought he'd get a longer sentence

[ccahill2]

If this is like my American soaps, Tom will feign illness to be sent to the hospital and will escape from there. But I hope that this doesn't happen.

[ccahill2]

If his solicitor does appeal, I hope that they ultimately find the fake grave with an empty basket or one with an old boot in it and then Belle is reunited and brings Piper to court as further evidence beyond that presented in this trial.

Maybe it's my wishful thinking, but I'm happy with my little fantasy.

[katie hunter]

I enjoyed the episode but 3 years does seem a bit light. As others have said they missed quite a lot of evidence. Amelia denying that Tom had ever hurt her, Angelica's involvement, Tom selling the car, Belle's injuries after the barn fight. Wouldn't the Police have given evidence about Tom lying about the axe attack?

I thought the look Tom gave Belle at the end was quite ominous, I don't think it's over yet.

[ccahill2]

Wouldn't the Police have given evidence about Tom lying about the axe attack?

.

The side of the building was chopped down by an angry Tom! Surely there would be some evidence that he didn't just open the door. It was gone!

And how about the time he locked her into her home and her life was put in danger and she couldn't escape?

Or the time she absolutely had to flee on a bus and the bus driver saw him coming after her.

There was so much that was missed.

[Dennis tanner]

The side of the building was chopped down by an angry Tom! Surely there would be some evidence that he didn't just open the door. It was gone!

And how about the time he locked her into her home and her life was put in danger and she couldn't escape?

Or the time she absolutely had to flee on a bus and the bus driver saw him coming after her.

There was so much that was missed. This is what happens when you have a weeks trial condensed into 45 minutes. However, after the trial Belle refered to the fact that she had given evidence that same day. Wr were led to believe that it was all done and dusted the same day, even though they were late starting

[lizann]

yes i thought the detective would be there

[Perdita]

I enjoyed the episode but 3 years does seem a bit light. As others have said they missed quite a lot of evidence. Amelia denying that Tom had ever hurt her, Angelica's involvement, Tom selling the car, Belle's injuries after the barn fight. Wouldn't the Police have given evidence about Tom lying about the axe attack?

I thought the look Tom gave Belle at the end was quite ominous, I don't think it's over yet.

I can imagine he will try to appeal but once Christmas Day is over, there will be more proof of his abusive behaviour so that will not go ahead. I hope he does not get early release for good behaviour but I agree, we have not seen the last of Tom King jr. even if it will be 2027/2028...

[Dennis tanner]

tom was too cool after the verdict going back to prison, has he another plan with his solicitor, thought he'd get a longer sentence

I would assume that he would want to appeal

[lizann]

a quick rushed exit for amelia, thought sam and lydia would not let esther go

[Perdita]

a quick rushed exit for amelia, thought sam and lydia would not let esther go

Crap exit storyline as per.... even with enough time they cannot give characters a decent exit...

[Perdita]

Where was Noah? After all he did for Amelia and Esther he was not there to say bye-bye...

[Son of Cain]

Crap exit storyline as per.... even with enough time they cannot give characters a decent exit...


Where was Noah? After all he did for Amelia and Esther he was not there to say bye-bye...

I wonder if the reason for this is financial, that they have cut back on the number and quality of scriptwriters. In the past did they have more time to "think" about future stories and now do they just adopt the first thing that comes to mind and expand on it. Also why sometimes major story points happen off screen.

Block story telling probably means that they do not always have appropriate actors available, hence Noah was probly not available for Amelia's exit.

[lizann]

Where was Noah? After all he did for Amelia and Esther he was not there to say bye-bye...

or chas or charity

[ccahill2]

I was sad to see Amelia go. Now that I've watched some older episodes, I learned to love that little girl and it's nice that she grew up on the show. I'm glad that she came through for Belle and that she has her dad back, although I think of the ones taking care of her as her real family.

When I started to watch this show, Amelia had her online stalker come to the shop and Dan punched him, leading to one of the many rock incidents. I really grew attached to her when he was arrested. She's a good cryer.

But last night, I thought her tears were real, and there is this young adult who only knew this show for most of her life, hearing that her role is being discontinued, and she's keeping a brave face for the world. I really felt for her.

[Perdita]

I'm glad that she came through for Belle .

She did not really though, she could have said that Tom dragged her out of the house by her wrist... she denied he was ever aggressive with her...

[ccahill2]

She did not really though, she could have said that Tom dragged her out of the house by her wrist... she denied he was ever aggressive with her...

I was annoyed with that, as well as the prosecution's, because there were witnesses to that, including the police themselves. However, at least the jury knew that this wasn't just Belle and that he was beginning to groom his next vulnerable person. I think that her age alone and the speed at which he began to groom her did influence the jury to see that this was more than an issue of Belle's mental health.

[lizann]

yes the trial left a lot out, could have done the whole week as trial

[Dennis tanner]

Where was Noah? After all he did for Amelia and Esther he was not there to say bye-bye...

He wasn't invited. Noah was busy doing a proper job.

[Dennis tanner]

I was sad to see Amelia go. Now that I've watched some older episodes, I learned to love that little girl and it's nice that she grew up on the show. I'm glad that she came through for Belle and that she has her dad back, although I think of the ones taking care of her as her real family.

When I started to watch this show, Amelia had her online stalker come to the shop and Dan punched him, leading to one of the many rock incidents. I really grew attached to her when he was arrested. She's a good cryer.

But last night, I thought her tears were real, and there is this young adult who only knew this show for most of her life, hearing that her role is being discontinued, and she's keeping a brave face for the world. I really felt for her.

Now that she's gone the rubbish vicar's congregation has been reduced by 50%. It's now just him and his mom.

[Snagglepus]

Piper's wicker box was clean considering it had been buried a few weeks and the weather we have had.

[ccahill2]

Piper seemed distracted. She was looking away from Belle and not staying and snuggling with her. But I'm happy that Belle got her back. It felt like when I'm all excited picking my dog up from the kennel but he's mad at me.

I feel that Emmerdale is in a deja vu cycle, first with Will finding Kim lying in a field and then his declaring his love while she wants him out of her life. I guess three won't get to be the charm, because it's not looking good for Will right now. I actually liked those two together, but their story has played out ... twice.

I wish that Ruby would just blurt it out about Anthony. Poor thing is so tortured and everyone around her is so clueless.

[lizann]

is kim going to let will die like frank tate

why was belle all alone for Christmas, cooking a turkey just for vinny

[Snagglepus]

Fancy Sam and Lydia going to visit Esther in Leicester, they have only been gone a day.

[lizann]

Fancy Sam and Lydia going to visit Esther in Leicester, they have only been gone a day.

samson would be more believable

[Dennis tanner]

Piper seemed distracted. She was looking away from Belle and not staying and snuggling with her. But I'm happy that Belle got her back. It felt like when I'm all excited picking my dog up from the kennel but he's mad at me. Piper doesn't know that his abuser is in The Choeky and is worried about him


I feel that Emmerdale is in a deja vu cycle, first with Will finding Kim lying in a field and then his declaring his love while she wants him out of her life. I guess three won't get to be the charm, because it's not looking good for Will right now. I actually liked those two together, but their story has played out ... twice. Will is off to join the Police Force


I wish that Ruby would just blurt it out about Anthony. Poor thing is so tortured and everyone around her is so clueless. She's not allowed to.

[ccahill2]

I don't know the Joe story from years ago. Was he a complete sociopath? The way he was letting Will die and then trying to talk Kim out of saving him, he seemed to have a depraved indifference to human life and just wanted Kim to have no competition for the money so he could then swindle her out of it. He's good looking, but I think that I really hate him.

[katie hunter]

I don't know the Joe story from years ago. Was he a complete sociopath? The way he was letting Will die and then trying to talk Kim out of saving him, he seemed to have a depraved indifference to human life and just wanted Kim to have no competition for the money so he could then swindle her out of it. He's good looking, but I think that I really hate him.

I don't remember a lot about him apart from him being a business man who tried to take Home Farm from Kim. He was with Debbie and was quite close to Noah. I can't remember why he left? The dynamic between him and Caleb could be interesting.

I am surprised they killed off Will but he was a bit of a waste of space.

[Snagglepus]

I had no idea Will was being killed off.

[Dennis tanner]

Joe Tate has an ideal neck for decapitation.

[johntrevor]

I don't know the Joe story from years ago. Was he a complete sociopath? The way he was letting Will die and then trying to talk Kim out of saving him, he seemed to have a depraved indifference to human life and just wanted Kim to have no competition for the money so he could then swindle her out of it. He's good looking, but I think that I really hate him.

He treated Debbie badly until Cain got hold of him and punched him. He fell and hit his head on the convenient rock on the road and was left for dead.

[lizann]

joe had a lot of tablets

[johntrevor]

joe had a lot of tablets

Yes obviously got a medical problem of some sort.

[Perdita]

Yes obviously got a medical problem of some sort.

Maybe something to do with how he was chucked into the boot of the car ???

[katie hunter]

No farewell video from Dean Andrews?

[Son of Cain]

I had no idea Will was being killed off.

Good to know that sometimes we can avoid having spoilers forced upon us. Just like old times when we were surprised.

[ccahill2]

Or an addiction.

[Son of Cain]

Don't like how Anthony seems to be assuming the head of the family role, like when he stood up to make a speech at the dinner table.

[lizann]

joe should bring back kathy and jean

april was not hitching a lift, was it an uber, she just got in the back so knew the driver

[Son of Cain]

What happened to Mary? Is she still living with Rhona and Marlon?

P,S. No sooner had I posted this and she appeared. I missed the first part of this episode so maybe she appeared sooner, but I did no see her yesterday.

[lizann]

What happened to Mary? Is she still living with Rhona and Marlon?

P,S. No sooner had I posted this and she appeared. I missed the first part of this episode so maybe she appeared sooner, but I did no see her yesterday.

rhona mentioned mary was with philippa but returning

marlon needs to take blame himself not all on ross

[Dennis tanner]

rhona mentioned mary was with philippa but returning

marlon needs to take blame himself not all on ross

I can't agree. Everything was OK till Barton turned up.

[lizann]

No farewell video from Dean Andrews?

fake death?

[katie hunter]

fake death?

I thought it was a bit strange that there was no leaving video.

A faked death could fit? Joe mentioned he had become good friends with Jamie. Wills death was quite similar to when Kim faked her death with Jamie.

I did think at the time that Joe could have been calling anyone when Kim gave him her phone and he was so calm.

I am probably reading far too much into this lol.

[Snagglepus]

Where's the vicar?

[Dennis tanner]

fake death?

Will not be very fake when they do the post mortem.

[Perdita]

fake death?

With paramedics declaring him dead and putting him in a body bag?

[Son of Cain]

fake death?

If it was a fake death, the attempts to resuscitate him might well have finished him off. That's why you cannot practise on a live person.

[Son of Cain]

Marlon needs to take blame himself not all on ross

Maybe Marlon did not handle the situation well after April was told the truth about Donna. He does not handle these situations well, much gibbering and flapping of arms. But when would have been a good time to tell her, I imagine the longer you wait the harder it gets. Did she really need to know at all, she seemed quite happy in the state of knowledge she was in. I think if l was in that situation I would have waited until she was 18 at least. The only reason I could see for telling her the truth would be to stop her finding out from someone else - enter Ross. No! I think Ross if not entirely to blame is certainly mostly to blame.

His behavior towards Caleb is not good either.

[Perdita]

fake death?
Social media certainly seems to think so....

[ccahill2]

Yeah, a lot of people think that there would have been more media coverage about the actor if the character had died. Personally I find it hard to believe he was faking it if Kim did the look, listen, and feel test and felt nothing. I also find it hard to believe that the paramedics were in on it.

[Perdita]

Yeah, a lot of people think that there would have been more media coverage about the actor if the character had died. Personally I find it hard to believe he was faking it if Kim did the look, listen, and feel test and felt nothing. I also find it hard to believe that the paramedics were in on it.

But then again, this is soapland... we had people return from the dead by suddenly being in the shower and it had all been a dream....

[Son of Cain]

Yeah, a lot of people think that there would have been more media coverage about the actor if the character had died. Personally I find it hard to believe he was faking it if Kim did the look, listen, and feel test and felt nothing. I also find it hard to believe that the paramedics were in on it.

If he was not dead the first good hard thump on the chest would have had him coughing and spluttering.

I have also seen his character described as a legend, not how I would have described him. I do not think he was a popular character. I for one will not miss him, glad to see the back of him.

[Son of Cain]

But then again, this is soapland... we had people return from the dead by suddenly being in the shower and it had all been a dream....

Let's hope no one was dreaming here.

[Son of Cain]

I thought it was a bit strange that there was no leaving video.

A faked death could fit? Joe mentioned he had become good friends with Jamie. Wills death was quite similar to when Kim faked her death with Jamie.

I did think at the time that Joe could have been calling anyone when Kim gave him her phone and he was so calm.

I am probably reading far too much into this lol.

I think you probably are. Too much nutmeg in the mince pies?

[Perdita]

If he was not dead the first good hard thump on the chest would have had him coughing and spluttering.

I have also seen his character described as a legend, not how I would have described him. I do not think he was a popular character. I for one will not miss him, glad to see the back of him.

I would not describe him as a legend either... I agree, doubt he was a very popular character not helped by having Dawn as his daughter in my opinion ... dislike her even more than him... if he really is not dead I hope we find out sooner rather than later, just to stop seeing fan speculations on social media and soap rags

[Son of Cain]

I would not describe him as a legend either... I agree, doubt he was a very popular character not helped by having Dawn as his daughter in my opinion ... dislike her even more than him... if he really is not dead I hope we find out sooner rather than later, just to stop seeing fan speculations on social media and soap rags

If it turns out he is not dead that will be one of the biggest stretches of imagination ever in a Soap.

[Snagglepus]

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[Dennis tanner]

If it turns out he is not dead that will be one of the biggest stretches of imagination ever in a Soap.

He's now to be refered to as Will.e.was

[lizann]

Did Harry get a new head for Xmas?

whose harry

[Snagglepus]

whose harry
It was meant to be in the Corrie forum.

[Perdita]

fake death?

Go to Spoilers 6th - 10th January ;)

[Son of Cain]

He's now to be refered to as Will.e.was

Oh! - that is a good one Dennis, you are on fire - one of your best.

[johntrevor]

If it turns out he is not dead that will be one of the biggest stretches of imagination ever in a Soap.

Personally I think he is definitely dead, I think all this speculation is ridiculous. If he is not dead there was hell of a lot of people involved in the cover up. I dont believe a word of it.

[Perdita]

Personally I think he is definitely dead, I think all this speculation is ridiculous. If he is not dead there was hell of a lot of people involved in the cover up. I dont believe a word of it.

Something about Will in Spoilers 6th - 10th January :ninja:

[Son of Cain]

Something about Will in Spoilers 6th - 10th January :ninja:

I am tempted, but I think I will wait and be surprized.

[lizann]

would dawn and will put the kids through that, lying, deceit, cruel if they do

[johntrevor]

Something about Will in Spoilers 6th - 10th January :ninja:

That just seems to try to decide who killed him, not whether he is dead or not, of course he is.

[Dennis tanner]

Something about Will in Spoilers 6th - 10th January :ninja:

Will opens his eyes just before they open up his chest and shouts, " I'm not dead you idiot"

[ccahill2]

Kim was really pounding away with her chest compressions. I actually thought that her compressions were more realistic than those we see on some medical TV shows and certainly more realistic than what we typically see on soap operas.

I can't imagine why someone would fake it (say with a medicine to slow heartbeat) only to wake up with their ribs all broken and to possibly be killed by the compressions meant to get the heart restarted.

Never mind the subsequent autopsy. If it were Halloween, I could imagine an intern working the morgue hearing groaning and banging from a freezer drawer.

[lizann]

was there any mention of an autopsy for will

[ccahill2]

No, and I suppose there's no reason to believe this was other than natural causes. I don't know how the laws work in the UK.

[Son of Cain]

Kim was really pounding away with her chest compressions. I actually thought that her compressions were more realistic than those we see on some medical TV shows and certainly more realistic than what we typically see on soap operas.

I can't imagine why someone would fake it (say with a medicine to slow heartbeat) only to wake up with their ribs all broken and to possibly be killed by the compressions meant to get the heart restarted.

Never mind the subsequent autopsy. If it were Halloween, I could imagine an intern working the morgue hearing groaning and banging from a freezer drawer.[/QUOTE

[QUOTE=lizann;1027203]was there any mention of an autopsy for will

Ribs are frequently broken during CPR, it is quite common unlike how it is shown in TV drama. Medical experts say CPR should NEVER be done on someone who is still alive. They should be put in recovery position until medical help arrives.

I think someone did mention a post mortem, was it PC Swirling when he said all sudden deaths have to be investigated.

I do not know where this rumour of a fake death came from, as johntrevor said the idea is ridiculous. No way is will still with us, unless we all dreamed we saw him die.

[Dennis tanner]

No, and I suppose there's no reason to believe this was other than natural causes. I don't know how the laws work in the UK.

The law is that you have a post mortem if a doctor cannot issue a death certificate. The doctor would have had to see him within 14 days

[Son of Cain]

Secrets have a habit of coming out, says Anthony, a man hiding the biggest secret of all.

In his position I would be keeping a low profile.

[Son of Cain]

Does Joe sound posher than the last time we saw him?

[Son of Cain]

I wonder if it was Scott who picked up April, he is a half uncle, or related some way to her.

[lizann]

Does Joe sound posher than the last time we saw him?

Well he is 100% Tate , how again?

[Dennis tanner]

Well he is 100% Tate , how again?

Caleb is the son of Frank. You can't get more Tate.

One thing I have always wanted to know is, " Is Claire King related to Jimmy ?

[lizann]

caleb is the son of frank. You can't get more tate.

One thing i have always wanted to know is, " is claire king related to jimmy ?

joe said he was 100% tate

[Dennis tanner]

joe said he was 100% tate and he was asked if was incest

[ccahill2]

I hadn't yet discovered Emmerdale during the scene discussed today. I know that Marlon and Laurel were once married, but did they actually have an affair later on, as April surmised from the texts on his phone?

[lizann]

I hadn't yet discovered Emmerdale during the scene discussed today. I know that Marlon and Laurel were once married, but did they actually have an affair later on, as April surmised from the texts on his phone?

i think laurel fell off the wagon and confided in marlon, don't think an affair

[Son of Cain]

I am really not engaging with the April is missing story, too much seems to have happened of screen. I know teenagers can be secretive, but if April was getting that drunk, I am sure someone would have noticed. In Soaps when someone goes missing, they always have these scenes of everyone running about searching all over the place. If the missing person is not found nearby soon after going missing the chance of finding them would be slim. Just pure luck. More imagination is needed by the writers.

Not engaging with Ruby either, surely Caleb can see something serious has happened in the past.

Could not care less about the goings on at Home farm. Joe reminds me of the Duracell Bunny running out of battery power.

Considering Christmas is suppose to be the time Soap excitement, not looking forward to the rest of the year. Or is it just me being a grinch.

[lizann]

from what we saw on screen, april was a good kid until she heard donna killed herself with the bad guy deliberately now more and more coming out

[Son of Cain]

Once again no spoilers, I really thought that April WAS DEAD. I hope they maintain this policy of no leaking.

While I know that Marlon's situation is tragic, he is annoying me, when he accuses the police of not doing enough to find her. He has not been totally cooperative withholding information like he did at the start. What does he expect them to do, give every officer in the country a photo of April and wander the streets looking for her.

[ccahill2]

Wow. That episode was intense. I absolutely loved the elderly man who befriended Jacob. That part of the story was so touching and I loved his words to both Jacob and to Cain. I pretty much wish he could have been a regular.

I do agree 100 fold about Marlon being demanding with the police, but he absolutely broke my heart when he was sobbing over the news. What a crazy episode. They absolutely have me crying. Well both crying and being upset that they killed off one of the best actors of the younger scene.

As bad as Jacob's day was today, with the news of what is coming, his hell hasn't barely begun.

Oh and a question for all of you. I could swear that I heard one of the doctors say f$&k today. Did I hear right? I only ask because you can't say that word on American TV, but you can in a movie. Does British TV allow for you to use that word on TV? It's the most used adjective in my daily life.

[lizann]

jacob was lucky his first day at miracle hotten hospital, a few emmerdale village people attended

[Dennis tanner]

from what we saw on screen, april was a good kid until she heard donna killed herself with the bad guy deliberately now more and more coming out

and who told her all this.....BARTON.

[Dennis tanner]

Once again no spoilers, I really thought that April WAS DEAD. I hope they maintain this policy of no leaking.

On my TV prgramme guide it tells me that they are still looking for her in 2 weeks time.....Help !!!

[Dennis tanner]

jacob was lucky his first day at miracle hotten hospital, a few emmerdale village people attended

I thought he was hopeless. The only patient he had died. He still looks like an immature schoolboy

[Son of Cain]

On my TV prgramme guide it tells me that they are still looking for her in 2 weeks time.....Help !!!

Glad I didn't read that. I try to avoid reading anything that tells me what is coming up.

[Perdita]

I thought he was hopeless. The only patient he had died. He still looks like an immature schoolboy

It must be daunting for anyone on the first day in a busy A&E when you are training. Any theory you have read up on can quickly go out of your head when faced with reality

[lizann]

why did any of the police not see the dead girl first and know it wasn't the missing girl they are looking for

[lizann]

dawn said will's post mortem autopsy results would be back

[Son of Cain]

Affair between Dawn and Joe?

[lizann]

Affair between Dawn and Joe?

she might do anything to see who killed her dad even though he died naturally

[Dennis tanner]

Affair between Dawn and Joe?

Of course

[lizann]

i dont see the point of dawn and her brood staying around

[ccahill2]

Even with the video, if the coroner said it was natural causes, you'd think that he had an unsubstantiated fear.

If she opens a big mouth to Kim, like when she was sure that Kim was the one who poisoned her, I hope that Kim kicks her out this time rather than leaving herself.

[Dennis tanner]

i dont see the point of dawn and her brood staying around

No bills to pay. They live free

[Son of Cain]

When Will died I hoped that his fued with Kim would died with him, but no, it has now fallen to Dawn to assume the mantle of carrying it on. How did Will know that Dawn would ever receive the flash drive, he did not seem to take any definite steps to ensure she would? Leaving it in the haulage office and just hoping it would find it's way to her seems a bit careless, what if it had just been left there lying in a drawer, or Jimmy had binned it? I do hope he has added a date when he recorded it as we do not know if it was before or after the "grave incident" or if he really was back in love with Kim, nor do I care. I am hoping Dawn suffers a similar fate as Will, so the whole silly story can be forgotten about. Of course it won't be.

[Son of Cain]

Even with the video, if the coroner said it was natural causes, you'd think that he had an unsubstantiated fear.

If she opens a big mouth to Kim, like when she was sure that Kim was the one who poisoned her, I hope that Kim kicks her out this time rather than leaving herself.

I think potassium in some form can be used to cause a heart attack, but I am not sure if would still be present in the body at the post mortem.

[Son of Cain]

Pity Kim does not have black horse.

[Son of Cain]

No bills to pay. They live free

I guess Dawn will be looking for a new place to live

[katie hunter]

If Dawn believes that Kim is a murderer, surely she will need to move out of Home Farm and stop leeching off her?

[lizann]

kim and ice, an iconic team saying goodbye to will

[ccahill2]

What a little witch. I sure hope that Kim arranges for Dawns bags to be on the front step and the locks changed.

As for Kim - side saddle? I'm impressed!

[Dennis tanner]

I guess Dawn will be looking for a new place to live

I get the impression that Kim doesn't call the shots. ITV do and they will tell Dawn to grovel.

[lizann]

dawn is a murderer too, copper malone

[Dennis tanner]

dawn is a murderer too, copper malone

I seem to remember that being self defence but it was not thought that the Police would believe her

[Son of Cain]

What a little witch. I sure hope that Kim arranges for Dawns bags to be on the front step and the locks changed.

As for Kim - side saddle? I'm impressed!

Since they never seem to lock the front door, changing the the locks would make no difference.

[Perdita]

What a little witch. I sure hope that Kim arranges for Dawns bags to be on the front step and the locks changed.

As for Kim - side saddle? I'm impressed!

Claire King who plays Kim is actually a very accomplished horse rider, apparently it is her on a white horse in the beginning of Classic Emmerdale

[Perdita]

I seem to remember that being self defence but it was not thought that the Police would believe her

Malone was holding her hostage after Dawn reported him to the police for corruption... he threatened her son and was going to force her to take heroin when Harriet arrived, she knocked him unconscious but he came to again and somehow Dawn got hold of his gun he had pointed at her during the hostage situation and managed to shoot him dead. Why would the police not believe them as Harriet was an under-cover cop at the time.....????

[Son of Cain]

Malone was holding her hostage after Dawn reported him to the police for corruption... he threatened her son and was going to force her to take heroin when Harriet arrived, she knocked him unconscious but he came to again and somehow Dawn got hold of his gun he had pointed at her during the hostage situation and managed to shoot him dead. Why would the police not believe them as Harriet was an under-cover cop at the time.....????

One of the Rules of Soap is that if anyone is killed by someone acting in self defense, or accidently killed in a situation involving two people, it must always be referred to as murder and never reported to the police. Just imagine how many stories would have been cut short if this rule was not followed.

[Perdita]

I guess Dawn will be looking for a new place to live

Far too brass necked for that ..

[Perdita]

If Dawn believes that Kim is a murderer, surely she will need to move out of Home Farm and stop leeching off her?

Why? Kim will be in prison if Dawn gets her way....

[Son of Cain]

Claire King who plays Kim is actually a very accomplished horse rider, apparently it is her on a white horse in the beginning of Classic Emmerdale

When you know that she suffers from Rheumatoid Arthritis you have to admire that she has not given in to this disease.

[Son of Cain]

Why? Kim will be in prison if Dawn gets her way....

I doubt Dawn is clever enough to bring Kim down. Do not think she will succeed where her father failed.

[johntrevor]

I doubt Dawn is clever enough to bring Kim down. Do not think she will succeed where her father failed.

Many have tried to brng Kim down over the years, not one of them has ever succeded

[alan45]

Pity Kim does not have black horse.

To match her heart?

[alan45]

Yet again the Soap Police are truly unbelievable.

As if they would send two uniformed plods to arrest some at the funeral. We are supposed to believe that Sawn phones them, the police control room pass it on to a local patrol without informing CID or anyone else and this all happened within 15 - 20 mins. Its not as if Kim was intending to or even likely to flee

[ccahill2]

Claire King who plays Kim is actually a very accomplished horse rider, apparently it is her on a white horse in the beginning of Classic Emmerdale

Wow that is so cool to know! She sure does exude posture and confidence when riding, and that explains it perfectly.

[Son of Cain]

Yet again the Soap Police are truly unbelievable.

As if they would send two uniformed plods to arrest some at the funeral. We are supposed to believe that Sawn phones them, the police control room pass it on to a local patrol without informing CID or anyone else and this all happened within 15 - 20 mins. Its not as if Kim was intending to or even likely to flee

The only thing I found unbelievable about this, is that it was not PC Swirling that was sent to arrest her.

[lizann]

I seem to remember that being self defence but it was not thought that the Police would believe her

kim disposed of the body, burning it to help dawn and will

[Perdita]

kim disposed of the body, burning it to help dawn and will

I do not remember the body being burned but burried by Harriet and later Kim removed the body when certain building works were meant to be carried out at the burial site...

[Son of Cain]

How come no one is talking about the worst thing that happened at Home Farm this Christmas? Santa did not come - the stockings are still hanging up by the fireplace, and they are EMPTY.

[Son of Cain]

Are we to believe that Dawn gave Will Ketamine, and it did not show up in the post mortem.

[lizann]

I do not remember the body being burned but burried by Harriet and later Kim removed the body when certain building works were meant to be carried out at the burial site...

did kim tell will it was incinerated

[katie hunter]

Is Dawn back on the drugs or did she kill Will?

[ccahill2]

Is Dawn back on the drugs or did she kill Will?

I was wondering the same, but I'd think the ketamine overdose would show up in the autopsy. I was actually wondering whether she was planning on killing Kim with it, and that's why she was trying to get close to her again.

[Dennis tanner]

Many have tried to brng Kim down over the years, not one of them has ever succeded

So why was she is the Chokey before her current spell ?

[Dennis tanner]

I was wondering the same, but I'd think the ketamine overdose would show up in the autopsy. I was actually wondering whether she was planning on killing Kim with it, and that's why she was trying to get close to her again.

I reckon it's Ice that needs to be worried.

[ccahill2]

I reckon it's Ice that needs to be worried.

Oh hurting Kim is bad enough, but hurting an innocent horse? I hope the joke is on her when she realizes that there is more than one Ice and she doesn't know which to ax.

[alan45]

The only thing I found unbelievable about this, is that it was not PC Swirling that was sent to arrest her.

Tonight they had the uniform copper interviewing her about MURDER FFS. Where were the CID. I know the police are facing manpower shortages but this is ridiculous

[Dennis tanner]

The only thing I found unbelievable about this, is that it was not PC Swirling that was sent to arrest her.

Mike Swirling would not have been so crass. He would have just left a message for CID

[Perdita]

So why was she is the Chokey before her current spell ?

Robbery, hit and run and attacking Chris Tate

[Son of Cain]

Yet again the Soap Police are truly unbelievable.

As if they would send two uniformed plods to arrest some at the funeral. We are supposed to believe that Sawn phones them, the police control room pass it on to a local patrol without informing CID or anyone else and this all happened within 15 - 20 mins. Its not as if Kim was intending to or even likely to flee

Kim's solicitor is allowed to walk through the police station unaccompanied, then just knock and enter to interview room, very casual. Surely they would investigate the flash drive before arresting Kim. I believe if you access the meta data you can see when the recording was made.

Are Emmerdale and Corrie competing to see who can portray the most ridiculous police procedure scenes?

[Perdita]

Time the Milligans took the Christmas decos down ..

[Perdita]

Time the Milligans took the Christmas decos down ..

And all other residents of Emmerdale...

[lizann]

did dawn take the ketamine from the vet surgery, is she back working there?

[katie hunter]

That was an ideal opportunity for Joe to get rid of Kim. Bit confused as to what his motives are now.

Kim should have told Dawn to pack her bags.

[lizann]

billy deserves so much better, loved charity called jacob, dr haircut

kim has gone soft and tame, she needs to kick out dawn

[Snagglepus]

did dawn take the ketamine from the vet surgery, is she back working there?
When Billy asked her if she got it from her dealer she didn't deny it.

[alan45]

Are Emmerdale and Corrie competing to see who can portray the most ridiculous police procedure scenes?

I think Corrie has it with Kit the Twit, who as a D/S seems to outrank Lisa and overrules her every time. Don't get me started on Acting Supt. Tinkler

[Dennis tanner]

By admitting to deliberately taking the drug, it makes it a lot easier to poison Kim and get away with it

[ccahill2]

So Joe gives Kim a sleeping pill and was about to snuff her out with a pillow and Dawn causes her to OD.
Now they're together.

I really hope that Kim's personality is restored and that she can rechannel her grief for a resurgence of her inner beast because right now, she's sleeping with the enemy in her house.

[lizann]

So Joe gives Kim a sleeping pill and was about to snuff her out with a pillow and Dawn causes her to OD.
Now they're together.

I really hope that Kim's personality is restored and that she can rechannel her grief for a resurgence of her inner beast because right now, she's sleeping with the enemy in her house.

was he trying to snuff her with the pillow really?

[lizann]

dawn a horn dog after joe no sign of grieve for will or care for sick son evan

rhona should have called the police on those nutters

[Son of Cain]

dawn a horn dog after joe no sign of grieve for will or care for sick son evan

rhona should have called the police on those nutters

It did not take much to turn Dawn"'s head

[Snagglepus]

Was Joe playing with himself in front of the mirror?

[Dennis tanner]

dawn a horn dog after joe no sign of grieve for will or care for sick son evan

rhona should have called the police on those nutters
Where was that big burly male vet. He would have sorted them out

[lizann]

Was Joe playing with himself in front of the mirror?

I assume a fit or turn from his illness or injury

[alan45]

Where was that big burly male vet. He would have sorted them out

Who????


Paddy :) !!!!!

[lizann]

Where was that big burly male vet. He would have sorted them out

tom is in prison, paddy awol

[Son of Cain]

Why would this journalist have to blackmail Wendy, when you would only have to Google Emmerdale, and most of this stuff would would instantly be shown. The only thing that would not be, would be Wendy's secret, and that would be a better story, as no one knows it yet.

[Dennis tanner]

Why would this journalist have to blackmail Wendy, when you would only have to Google Emmerdale, and most of this stuff would would instantly be shown. The only thing that would not be, would be Wendy's secret, and that would be a better story, as no one knows it yet.

Just an excuse to get rid of a fine nurse.

[Son of Cain]

Just an excuse to get rid of a fine nurse.

You only have to look at Wendy to see the guilt on her face. But nobody notices?

[Son of Cain]

Did ruby also test Anthony. I do not understand why she does not tell the whole truth now. It could not make things any worse.

[johntrevor]

Did ruby also test Anthony. I do not understand why she does not tell the whole truth now. It could not make things any worse.

Totally agree

[ccahill2]

I fully agree. You just have to look at the track record in Emmerdale and there are other things that get you pregnant other than consensual sex. I really feel as though Ruby is still being abused. It takes a lot of courage to tell a secret like this, and I can't imagine the threats or things that Anthony must have put in her head that would happen if she spoke up, but her family has to see the utter fear on her face whenever her father walks into the room.

I suspect that with Anthony tutoring Angelica, if he tries something on her and her parents think that she is just acting out, that's when Ruby will finally come forward. Not for herself, but for Angelica.

[lizann]

Did ruby also test Anthony. I do not understand why she does not tell the whole truth now. It could not make things any worse.

if it wasn't caleb then the other only possibility was her own father, caleb was her first true real only love, sexual experience ( not counting her father's rape ) etc.,

[Dennis tanner]

Did ruby also test Anthony. I do not understand why she does not tell the whole truth now. It could not make things any worse.

I know that. You know that. ITV will not allow her to know it

[Son of Cain]

I fully agree. You just have to look at the track record in Emmerdale and there are other things that get you pregnant other than consensual sex. I really feel as though Ruby is still being abused. It takes a lot of courage to tell a secret like this, and I can't imagine the threats or things that Anthony must have put in her head that would happen if she spoke up, but her family has to see the utter fear on her face whenever her father walks into the room.

I suspect that with Anthony tutoring Angelica, if he tries something on her and her parents think that she is just acting out, that's when Ruby will finally come forward. Not for herself, but for Angelica.


if it wasn't caleb then the other only possibility was her own father, caleb was her first true real only love, sexual experience ( not counting her father's rape ) etc.,

I do not think it has actually been said that Anthony is Steph's father but I think it has been obvious for weeks now that he is. I do think it is fear of Anthony that is holding her back from telling the truth, nor can it be that she does not want to spoil Steph's relationship with Anthony, indeed on the contrary I would have this should be a priority. Her relationship with Caleb has been destroyed, while the truth could save it. The only power Anthony has is that he thinks she is having an affair with Cain, but unless Ruby or Cain admit to a one night stand, they can deny this and say Anthony is making this claim to be spiteful. Mind you Cain's behavior is not helping.

[Son of Cain]

Very realistic scene in the hospital waiting room with Marlon, and one other patient

P.S. There was actually 3 other patients, so packed out then, just could not afford any more extras

[lizann]

powerhouse powerful performance from beth as ruby, she wants to protect steph from the truth of her conception

[Dennis tanner]

powerhouse powerful performance from beth as ruby, she wants to protect steph from the truth of her conception

Unfortunately for her, ITV are not bothered. They could have stuck with the child abuse and had Caleb as her father.

So Ruby complained to her mom and she did nothing !!!!.

[ccahill2]

I don't think that I could love Chas any more than I love her now. Her figuring it out and helping Caleb to realize the truth was priceless.

Rob is a little hottie. I wish we could keep him on the show! I wish we could see the dynamic with him and Ruby.

Alas poor Wendy. Both of Heath's mother figures are now off the show. Bob's family has been wiped clean, minus for Cathy. I wonder what they have in store for him next.

I liked Wendy. I think of her crying after the accident. I think of Ella socking her in the face. I know she did something really awful, but I wish that neither she nor Brenda were written off.

[Snagglepus]

Alas poor Karen.

Who is Karen?

[ccahill2]

Who is Karen?

Wendy. Oops. I'll fix.

[Dennis tanner]

I don't think that I could love Chas any more than I love her now. Her figuring it out and helping Caleb to realize the truth was priceless.

Rob is a little hottie. I wish we could keep him on the show! I wish we could see the dynamic with him and Ruby.

Alas poor Wendy. Both of Heath's mother figures are now off the show. Bob's family has been wiped clean, minus for Cathy. I wonder what they have in store for him next.

I liked Wendy. I think of her crying after the accident. I think of Ella socking her in the face. I know she did something really awful, but I wish that neither she nor Brenda were written off.
ITV have really done a number on Nurse Wendy !!!

[Son of Cain]

ITV have really done a number on Nurse Wendy !!!

And not a very good one. As Liam said all this information was already out there. All that was needed was to Google "crime in Emmerdale". Rubbish exit.

[lizann]

And not a very good one. As Liam said all this information was already out there. All that was needed was to Google "crime in Emmerdale". Rubbish exit.

yes very rushed, leaving bob even though he kicked her out while april missing and anniversary of heaths death

[Perdita]

yes very rushed, leaving bob even though he kicked her out while april missing and anniversary of heaths death

Dopey Bob would have forgiven her soon

[Son of Cain]

yes very rushed, leaving bob even though he kicked her out while april missing and anniversary of heaths death

I cannot remember if they are married, I think not. Does Wendy own the house Victoria lives in? Will Wendy have any claim on Bob's assets if they split up? I doubt the writers will even mention the implications of any of this.

[Perdita]

I cannot remember if they are married, I think not. Does Wendy own the house Victoria lives in? Will Wendy have any claim on Bob's assets if they split up? I doubt the writers will even mention the implications of any of this.

No, No, No and she will never be mentioned again

[ccahill2]

They probably have to pay royalties every time the name is mentioned, so limit discussion to dead people.

[Son of Cain]

Maybe it is just me, but there is something about Athony's performance that does not quite ring true. I feel that he is portrayed as if he was unaware that he abused Ruby, or were we meant to think that he has suppressed the memory of it and blocked it out. Surely it must have occured to him that he could have been Steph's father if he was having sex with Ruby and not using birth control. And it must have occured to him that moving into the house and continually upsetting her that it was possible that she would blurt out the truth in her anger. I would have thought that even if he did want to be close to Steph he would have wanted to keep some space between himself and Ruby.

[lizann]

I cannot remember if they are married, I think not. Does Wendy own the house Victoria lives in? Will Wendy have any claim on Bob's assets if they split up? I doubt the writers will even mention the implications of any of this.

no not married and Wendy owns nothing in the village, Victoria bought her house from Betty I think

[ccahill2]

I think that it's actually common that an abuser claims the other has a fertile imagination, it was a dream, and uses every tool available to deflect.

[lizann]

caleb could afford a hitman

[lizann]

ruby has proof of her rape, in steph but does not want steph knowing her real father

[Dennis tanner]

Dopey Bob would have forgiven her soon

Bob thought he would just have a good go at her but she cut him short when she said she was leaving

[Dennis tanner]

Maybe it is just me, but there is something about Athony's performance that does not quite ring true. I feel that he is portrayed as if he was unaware that he abused Ruby, or were we meant to think that he has suppressed the memory of it and blocked it out. Surely it must have occured to him that he could have been Steph's father if he was having sex with Ruby and not using birth control. And it must have occured to him that moving into the house and continually upsetting her that it was possible that she would blurt out the truth in her anger. I would have thought that even if he did want to be close to Steph he would have wanted to keep some space between himself and Ruby.

Ant thought he was teflon.

[Son of Cain]

Bob did not waste much time before setting his sights on Brenda, and she does not exactly seem opposed to his advances.

[Dennis tanner]

Bob did not waste much time before setting his sights on Brenda, and she does not exactly seem opposed to his advances.

To be fair to Bob, he was a buit drunk. Brenda pushed him away but still wanted to hear that she was not unattractive

[Son of Cain]

To be fair to Bob, he was a buit drunk. Brenda pushed him away but still wanted to hear that she was not unattractive

But not that drunk that he did not know what he was doing.

[lizann]

dawn is studying to be a veterinary nurse but thinks working in estate management is better than working in a vet clinic surgery

[Dennis tanner]

But not that drunk that he did not know what he was doing.

Let's just say that he was very emmotional

[ccahill2]

dawn is studying to be a veterinary nurse but thinks working in estate management is better than working in a vet clinic surgery

This was rather mind boggling to me.

[ccahill2]

Kim was saying that Will gave her family. But with a stepdaughter like Dawn, that's not necessarily a positive. Dawn is such a troubled brat. It shows the size of Kim's heart.

Joe has the best posture that I've ever seen on an actor. I still don't trust him, but that's what makes him a good con man, because he makes me really want to.

I still don't know why Dawn would give up a career in veterinary medicine. If animals are your passion, would you ever be happy running the books?

That scene with Laurel was almost comedic today. It reminded me a bit of Lydia and team finding the ax. I was so glad that she saved Nicola, but the presentation really wasn't great.

[tammyy2j]

I sort of like the Kim and Joe scenes, Dawn ruins them, I do not mind Billy

I cannot warm to Steph

Maybe Caleb shoots himself in the ass , was Aaron showing concern for Ruby, is that their first scene?

[Son of Cain]

caleb could afford a hitman

And as a man who doesn't know how to stick a gun into the waist band of his trousers, that is what he should do. He has a short barrelled revolver and pushes only the barrel under his belt, how long would that stay there before it fell out ?