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A much better episode on Tuesday. Marcus' second time questioning Max was brilliant and very moving. It was a much needed examination of Max's psyche and made me feel really sorry for him (I agree Dougie that Jake Wood was brilliant in those scenes). I'm glad Carol now thinks him innocent.
For the first time I believed in the supposedly intense attraction between Ronnie and Vincent. Also, I was relieved that Dot gave voice to our disbelief at Charlie upping and leaving her and Matthew without so much as a goodbye.
Well done to writer Richard Davidson who managed to make both storylines work for me after a very disappointing few episodes. :thumbsup:
parkerman
23-09-2015, 11:50
Well done to writer Richard Davidson who managed to make both storylines work for me after a very disappointing few episodes. :thumbsup:
It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.
It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.
yes i don't get lauren's change either
It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.
yes i don't get lauren's change either
It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.
I think we need to forget about Liam (and Cindy). They've obviously dropped off the face of the earth as far as the writers are concerned. The same goes for Peter: we've still had no explanation as to why he didn't return with Lauren.
As for her, I agree it makes no sense whatsoever and am hoping she'll change her mind (again). I suppose people's actions in real life often make little sense to others, which is especially noticeable to those of us who read the news.
What a pity that what I thought was a great storyline until very recently has been severely compromised by Lauren's lack of action. I'm just trying to go with the flow, not think too deeply about it and hope it'll all come out in the wash... :wall:
tammyy2j
23-09-2015, 14:21
Abi will and should be mad that Lauren knows for sure Max is innocent and didn't tell her
I am mad Lauren wont speak up :angry:
Liam should have rang Carol and told her once he and Cindy left
xx_Dan_xx
23-09-2015, 16:12
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tammyy2j
23-09-2015, 16:28
Has Stacey given up on Max, she did believe he was innocent
Has Stacey given up on Max, she did believe he was innocent
She believed him but agreed to Martin's request to not get involved.
storyseeker1
24-09-2015, 00:46
She believed him but agreed to Martin's request to not get involved.
Apparently that's gonna change somewhat when Jane gives her testimony in court. Seems Stacey goes round Jane's to confront about it.
tammyy2j
24-09-2015, 10:26
I would have thought Lauren and Stacey would have talked since Lauren's return and to see little baby Louie
is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p
so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son
is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p
so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son
storyseeker1
24-09-2015, 21:06
is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p
so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son
Well, if Max doesn't figure out something's up with Jane and the Beales by now, he never will.
It seems that Vincent has killed Charlie, but then again you never know with EE. Charlie might turn up a few months from now, locked in a cellar somewhere.
Rear window
24-09-2015, 21:45
So what will Roxy do?
tammyy2j
24-09-2015, 23:58
It was good that Charlie returned to Dot and Matthew if only for a short time as Vincent and Ronnie got rid, I hope Vincent hasn't killed him but looks like he did
Does Dot believe Max is guilty also as she hasn't been to see him or to his court trial
I enjoyed Robbie and his son being back
I was really hoping Jane wouldn't say she was sleeping with Max at the time of Lucy's murder. While I could be persuaded she had her reasons for keeping quiet about it all this time, I don't believe for an instant Max wouldn't have used his get out of jail free card. How will that be explained? Max would not allow himself to be jailed and go through a murder trial just to save Masood's feelings...
It was good that Charlie returned to Dot and Matthew if only for a short time as Vincent and Ronnie got rid, I hope Vincent hasn't killed him but looks like he did
I was also glad to see Charlie back because I thought what I'd presumed was his exit was highly out of character. I don't think Vincent's killed him though. Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.
I enjoyed Robbie and his son being back
Me too. I was very pleasantly surprised that Dean Gaffney's acting is better than I remembered it. Maybe he should return permanently because Sonia will soon be the only Jackson left on the square. I'd prefer Robbie to that banshee Bianca any day.
storyseeker1
25-09-2015, 02:47
Well, I called it. I had a feeling Jane would say she was sleeping with Max at the time, as that was the only excuse I could come up with that would actually sound feasible. Doesn't look like it's going to stand, though. From what the spoilers are making out, it sounds like Max still gets thrown in the slammer.
maidmarian
25-09-2015, 03:37
I was really hoping Jane wouldn't say she was sleeping with Max at the time of Lucy's murder. While I could be persuaded she had her reasons for keeping quiet about it all this time, I don't believe for an instant Max wouldn't have used his get out of jail free card. How will that be explained? Max would not allow himself to be jailed and go through a murder trial just to save Masood's feelings..
**.reply point 1
Well Whats.on TV has an exclamation mark after
the GUILTY heading on next weeks version.!!!
I have read recently that things that affect
juries verdicts are pleading not guilty when
you.are guilty and there is overwhelming
evidence against you ( not here) and provision
of fabricated alibis( well -it is Jane)**
I was also glad to see Charlie back because I thought what I'd presumed was his exit was highly out of character. I don't think Vincent's killed him though. Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.
**hope so too!**
Me too. I was very pleasantly surprised that Dean Gaffney's acting is better than I remembered it. Maybe he should return permanently because Sonia will soon be the only Jackson left on the square. I'd prefer Robbie to that banshee Bianca any day.
**reply point 3**
agreed re Dean.Gaffney - even more so about
Bianca- my ears hurt at the thought!!
maidmarian
25-09-2015, 03:37
dupl
maidmarian
25-09-2015, 03:50
Well, I called it. I had a feeling Jane would say she was sleeping with Max at the time, as that was the only excuse I could come up with that would actually sound feasible. Doesn't look like it's going to stand, though. From what the spoilers are making out, it sounds like Max still gets thrown in the slammer.
I could remember reading this prediction
about Jane - early on- but couldnt find it again!
Did u post it on here please?
I dont think.having Jane on his side - will
help.Max much!!
maidmarian
25-09-2015, 03:50
dupl
would marcus have max pre warned about jane's alibi lie
would marcus have max pre warned about jane's alibi lie
I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.
However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.
storyseeker1
25-09-2015, 18:01
I could remember reading this prediction
about Jane - early on- but couldnt find it again!
Did u post it on here please?
I dont think.having Jane on his side - will
help.Max much!!
I can't remember which discussion either.
I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.
However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.
i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know
did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie
dean is going punish roxy for Charlie
is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.
However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.
i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know
did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie
dean is going punish roxy for Charlie
is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
xx_Dan_xx
25-09-2015, 23:04
i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know
did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie
dean is going punish roxy for Charlie
is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.
Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?
xx_Dan_xx
25-09-2015, 23:04
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maidmarian
25-09-2015, 23:55
Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.
Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?
The hope is for an unanimous verdict.
If not possible then judge can accept a
majority verdict where at least 10 are agreed.
If not there is no verdict -the foreman
could nobble a couple of jurors - making only
9 agreed.
He couldnt overrule as all jurors go back into
court - whilst out they can send questions to
judge.
If less than 10 agree and that doesnt change
- there is no verdict and another trial would be
needed.
Above is for England & Wales.Other countries vary!
theres quite a bit more procedure than Ive given!
maidmarian
25-09-2015, 23:55
Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.
Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?
The hope is for an unanimous verdict.
If not possible then judge can accept a
majority verdict where at least 10 are agreed.
If not there is no verdict -the foreman
could nobble a couple of jurors - making only
9 agreed.
He couldnt overrule as all jurors go back into
court - whilst out they can send questions to
judge.
If less than 10 agree and that doesnt change
- there is no verdict and another trial would be
needed.
Above is for England & Wales.Other countries vary!
theres quite a bit more procedure than Ive given!
i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know
I thought he looked surprised in Thursday's episode when Jane first mentioned the affair. She's behaving very strangely and was totally unconvincing under cross-examination.
did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie
Sami's staying with Robbie until his mum finishes college.
dean is going punish roxy for Charlie
I feel sorry for Roxy obviously, but I like that they're writing Dean as more obviously a nasty piece of work now and not a poor confused young man who accidentally raped Linda. :wall:
I wonder how dark his and Roxy's relationship will get, and what Ronnie will do about it?
I'm certain Ronnie and Vincent haven't killed Charlie. There's been absolutely no evidence of it onscreen which usually means it didn't happen. I think Ronnie asked Vincent to scare Charlie off, although he could have gone further of course.
is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
I thought the jury foreman would come into play because I recognised him as an actor rather than an extra. I suppose Phil will pay him off or threaten him (and possibly other jury members too).
Maybe it'll be inspired by the excellent film "12 Angry Men" starring Henry Fonda, where one jury member totally changes the mind of the other eleven in a masterclass of persuasion.
storyseeker1
26-09-2015, 05:13
Well, it looks like EE is finally starting to show Dean as more villain than tortured soul. The scene where he seemed to accidentally burn Roxy reminded me of a similar scene that EE used years ago with Ben and...Sheila, was it? I vaguely recall that when she first started bullying Ben, she took a teaspoon right out of a hot cup and slightly burned him with it, claiming it to be a joke/accident. (Ever get the feeling that EE is running out of original ideas?)
Dean's certainly taking his chances, by threatening Roxy "Mitchell". After all, look what happened to Sheila, and that guy who Ronnie killed. You'd think Dean would have more sense than to go after a Mitchell? Then again, maybe he is just plain insane after all.
Still no clear answer over what's happened to Charlie. It's starting to look more like he's really down for the count.
Seems like Mas is starting to figure Jane out, too. At the rate he was going, it looks like he might be the next person to find out the truth. (Pretty soon the whole square will know)
parkerman
26-09-2015, 08:54
The scene where he seemed to accidentally burn Roxy reminded me of a similar scene that EE used years ago with Ben and...Sheila, was it?
Stella
could dean have got rid of charlie
storyseeker1
26-09-2015, 13:16
I seriously doubt it, since he wasn't there when Ronnie and Vincent met Charlie just before he disappeared, and Vincent told Ronnie "It's been sorted".
charlie wallet thrown in bin near massod stall where roxy works very convenient like someone wanted roxy to find it
charlie wallet thrown in bin near massod stall where roxy works very convenient like someone wanted roxy to find it
It was a stupid way to get rid of evidence which is one of the reasons I'm sure Charlie's not dead. I think there were better places to put the wallet other than a bin if the intention was for Roxy to find it.
tammyy2j
27-09-2015, 22:47
It was a stupid way to get rid of evidence which is one of the reasons I'm sure Charlie's not dead. I think there were better places to put the wallet other than a bin if the intention was for Roxy to find it.
Could Charlie perhaps have faked his own disappearance, he let Roxy see he was back as he went out with Matthew to be seen and his wallet found near where Roxy works, breaking the bond between Roxy and Ronnie is the ultimate way to punish Ronnie, Roxy does think Ronnie is responsible for Charlie's disappearance
Could Charlie perhaps have faked his own disappearance, he let Roxy see he was back as he went out with Matthew to be seen and his wallet found near where Roxy works, breaking the bound between Roxy and Ronnie is the ultimate way to punish Ronnie, Roxy does think Ronnie is responsible for Charlie's disappearance
I like the idea of Charlie having faked his death.
Rear window
28-09-2015, 14:04
I like the idea of Charlie having faked his death.
To disrupt the rather strong sister bond?
Rear window
28-09-2015, 14:04
I like the idea of Charlie having faked his death.
To disrupt the rather strong sister bond?
xx_Dan_xx
28-09-2015, 16:49
But then why would Vincent wash his clothes?
parkerman
28-09-2015, 16:51
It could very well be something that Charlie and Vincent have concocted between them as we have had plenty of hints that Vincent (and his mother) have a long standing "history" with the Mitchells and are trying to get even, so this could be something that Charlie and Vincent have connived at to hurt Ronnie and Roxy in some way.
On the other hand, I could be talking complete rowlocks!:p:D
maidmarian
28-09-2015, 17:03
:
But then why would Vincent wash his clothes?
Thought it might look suspicious if took
them to launderette:)
tammyy2j
28-09-2015, 20:37
I wish Lauren spoke up and told all including Abi that Max is innocent at least Stacey and Carol believe him
Did Phil get Max sent down to help protect Ben and Jay?
How did Max escape, he isn't exactly a master criminal :p
I enjoyed the Mick and Shirley scene, Mick is right Shirley needs to pick a side make a stance as sometimes it seems she is on Mick's side and believes Linda, I hope Shirley is the catalyst of Dean's downfall and hears him admit to the rape
xx_Dan_xx
28-09-2015, 20:49
Verdict was obvious but didn't expect Max to make a run for it. I wonder if this is his actual exit or if this is more to come for him.
Well that was pretty ridiculous!! Are children now writing the scripts??!! That was Max's exit for his year off so all before the trail was pointless. If he's safely on the run the writers have another year before they need to rake up the Lucy story again.
parkerman
28-09-2015, 22:12
Couldn't agree more, vc. Eastenders has plumbed the depths now. That episode was dire. That's all I have to say.
Couldn't agree more, vc. Eastenders has plumbed the depths now. That episode was dire. That's all I have to say.
I didn't enjoy it either (apart for the Mick scenes), although I thought Max escaping was quite funny in a farcical way.
The twists and turns in this storyline are way out of hand and characters are behaving nonsensically. There was no reason given for Lauren changing her mind about her father yet again. It took about two sentences for Phil to change Sharon's mind from being dead set on getting a divorce.
Unfortunately, EE is more style than substance at the moment. I get what they're trying to do, and there's no doubt most of us love unexpected twists and thrills, but we also need depth and an insight into characters to make for a satisfactory viewing experience. It's no accident that my favourite scenes tonight were character-led ones of Mick and Shirley quietly talking about their emotional differences.
To disrupt the rather strong sister bond?
If Charlie faked his death, I'd say his motivation would be to punish Ronnie and to bide his time before his next move. Turning Roxy against her sister would definitely punish Ronnie.
On the other hand, I could be talking complete rowlocks!:p:D
Not possible! :D
I wonder if this is his actual exit or if this is more to come for him.
Max is listed for Tuesday and Thursday's episodes.
Did Phil get Max sent down to help protect Ben and Jay?
I thought he was genuine in trying to get Max off. He could easily protect Ben and Jay by telling the truth if necessary. He admitted the jury foreman was greedy and untrustworthy, but perhaps the latter was simply unable to convince the rest of the jury of Max's innocence. It was a big ask.
I hope Shirley is the catalyst of Dean's downfall and hears him admit to the rape
Yes, Shirley needs to play a big part in Dean's downfall in order to redeem her - in our eyes and her family's.
stendersfan
29-09-2015, 09:22
Max Branning running was the funniest thing I'd seen on EE for a long long time. Hilarious.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/news-in-pics/2009/05/18/max.jpg
stendersfan
29-09-2015, 09:22
How long is he going to hide out for? This could be amazing - hiding for weeks under Jane's bed!!
Rear window
29-09-2015, 09:30
I thought he was genuine in trying to get Max off. He could easily protect Ben and Jay by telling the truth if necessary. He admitted the jury foreman was greedy and untrustworthy, but perhaps the latter was simply unable to convince the rest of the jury of Max's innocence. It was a big ask.
Did we see Phil ask him to find him not guilty? It's good either way for Phil, probably more fun if Max goes down as revenge and cos it protects the boys.
Rear window
29-09-2015, 09:30
I thought he was genuine in trying to get Max off. He could easily protect Ben and Jay by telling the truth if necessary. He admitted the jury foreman was greedy and untrustworthy, but perhaps the latter was simply unable to convince the rest of the jury of Max's innocence. It was a big ask.
Did we see Phil ask him to find him not guilty? It's good either way for Phil, probably more fun if Max goes down as revenge and cos it protects the boys.
stendersfan
29-09-2015, 09:36
This is England 2015!
parkerman
29-09-2015, 11:08
I thought Max escaping was quite funny in a farcical way.
I did mention some time ago that the court scenes were just awaiting the arrival of Brian Rix with his trousers falling down to be cross examined by Coco the Clown. It seems the scriptwriters were reading this board!
Did we see Phil ask him to find him not guilty?
No, we didn't see what Phil said to the foreman and we only have his word for what went down between them. Although I said I think Phil was telling the truth that he bribed him to get a not guilty verdict, the truth is we can't trust anything he says.
Max Branning running was the funniest thing I'd seen on EE for a long long time. Hilarious.
It's a shame it was probably intended to be deadly serious. :D
max's escape was like from a spoof bourne or bond film
Rear window
29-09-2015, 17:34
It's a shame it was probably intended to be deadly serious. :D
The punch of the copper (Emma's(?) ex) was lovely touch I thought.
Rear window
29-09-2015, 17:34
It's a shame it was probably intended to be deadly serious. :D
The punch of the copper (Emma's(?) ex) was lovely touch I thought.
stendersfan
29-09-2015, 18:11
The real reason why Max broke out of court.
LOL:
https://www.mixital.co.uk/digitalmake/ben4ypmv7e
https://makespace-resources-production.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/v1/475/scaledcropped/612x338/resources/475/max-running.jpg (https://www.mixital.co.uk/digitalmake/ben4ypmv7e)
The punch of the copper (Emma's(?) ex) was lovely touch I thought.
didn't realise that was the copper
some talk of max getting shot by a cop being in a coma
The punch of the copper (Emma's(?) ex) was lovely touch I thought.
didn't realise that was the copper
some talk of max getting shot by a cop being in a coma
xx_Dan_xx
29-09-2015, 20:58
For the love of God Max, out the truth.
I'd be satisfied if Jane goes down for Lucy's murder tbh, she acts like she wants to do the right thing but she is so fricking inconsistent.
wait max will want to cover for bobby too when he hears the truth
be good if phil got arrested for it, ian let him go down revenge for bullying him also where is ian gone again to now?
dot believes max is guilty
wait max will want to cover for bobby too when he hears the truth
be good if phil got arrested for it, ian let him go down revenge for bullying him also where is ian gone again to now?
dot believes max is guilty
xx_Dan_xx
29-09-2015, 21:06
Why would Max keep quiet?
Why would Max keep quiet?
everyone is to protect bobby, the writing has gone awful
xx_Dan_xx
29-09-2015, 21:10
everyone is to protect bobby, the writing has gone awful
Do we know if the truth about Bobby is to come out in the near future or is it up in the air atm?
xx_Dan_xx
29-09-2015, 21:10
everyone is to protect bobby, the writing has gone awful
Do we know if the truth about Bobby is to come out in the near future or is it up in the air atm?
Did we see Phil ask him to find him not guilty? It's good either way for Phil, probably more fun if Max goes down as revenge and cos it protects the boys.
he paid for guilty
parkerman
29-09-2015, 21:49
So Max is just able to go back to the Square and go to Jane's house without being seen....except by Brian Rix, Coco, Corporal Jones and Kenneth Williams of course.....
So Max is just able to go back to the Square and go to Jane's house without being seen....except by Brian Rix, Coco, Corporal Jones and Kenneth Williams of course.....
max branning new jason bond or james bourne :p
So Max is just able to go back to the Square and go to Jane's house without being seen....except by Brian Rix, Coco, Corporal Jones and Kenneth Williams of course.....
max branning new jason bond or james bourne :p
Yet more ridiculous twists and turns in the Lucy storyline! Why didn't Lauren speak up in the court foyer when Jane called Keeble over? She just let Sharon take control of the situation which is totally out of character. :wall:
Saying that, I'm looking forward to the confrontation between Max and Jane. I hope it's written by one of the better writers who can add some much-needed emotional depth to the conversation. We saw the heights that can be achieved when Max was giving evidence.
wait max will want to cover for bobby too when he hears the truth
I was thinking that but hopefully that'd be a step too far even for DTC... :eek:
Do we know if the truth about Bobby is to come out in the near future or is it up in the air atm?
Apparently Bobby's going to get worse so I don't think the truth is coming out in the very near future. Possibly in a few months.
I've said all along that I'd love the show to follow Bobby growing up and developing into a full on villain. There was no need for all this sensationalist nonsense about covering for him that's overshadowed everything else. The case could have just quietly gone cold as do many real-life murder cases.
he paid for guilty
Well done to those who guessed Phil paid the foreman for a guilty verdict! :clap: It didn't cross my mind at the time, but it seems obvious with hindsight.
tammyy2j
30-09-2015, 11:12
What was the point of Lauren's return if she don't speak up :angry: I am getting so frustrated watching it now but yet I still carry on doing so :o
Phil's bullying and Jane's baby manipulation all worked on Lauren, I thought she had some backbone and was stronger
I am also surprised at good christian Dot, nasty Nick Cotton's mother who forgave Ben for killing Heather to take such a negative stance on Max her step son
At least Stacey is fighting his corner and even Dean was a voice of reason telling Shirley he could be innocent
parkerman
30-09-2015, 11:17
At least Stacey is fighting his corner and even Dean was a voice of reason telling Shirley he could be innocent
Dean's was a self-serving remark though. As in, "Just because people have accused me of rape, doesn't mean I did it. I'm innocent as well."
tammyy2j
30-09-2015, 11:35
Dean's was a self-serving remark though. As in, "Just because people have accused me of rape, doesn't mean I did it. I'm innocent as well."
Yes true it was but everyone else was branding Max guilty even with an alibi from Jane which no one besides Stacey is questioning
where is ian gone to again, where was bobby when ian at court
Yes true it was but everyone else was branding Max guilty even with an alibi from Jane which no one besides Stacey is questioning
Dean couldn't care less about Max, his sole concern is about people judging himself guilty of raping Linda. Are we supposed to believe from what he said that he still considers himself innocent?
Dean couldn't care less about Max, his sole concern is about people judging himself guilty of raping Linda. Are we supposed to believe from what he said that he still considers himself innocent?
yes
Dean couldn't care less about Max, his sole concern is about people judging himself guilty of raping Linda. Are we supposed to believe from what he said that he still considers himself innocent?
yes
parkerman
30-09-2015, 18:14
where is ian gone to again, where was bobby when ian at court
Where does any child go to in Soapland when their parents are required in a storyline?
Rear window
30-09-2015, 18:23
Where does any child go to in Soapland when their parents are required in a storyline?
Upstairs washing their hands or downstairs eating beans?
Rear window
30-09-2015, 18:23
Where does any child go to in Soapland when their parents are required in a storyline?
Upstairs washing their hands or downstairs eating beans?
Where does any child go to in Soapland when their parents are required in a storyline?
neverland
Where does any child go to in Soapland when their parents are required in a storyline?
neverland
maidmarian
30-09-2015, 19:30
I've said all along that I'd love the show to follow Bobby growing up and developing into a full on villain. There was no need for all this sensationalist nonsense about covering for him that's overshadowed everything else. The case could have just quietly gone cold as do many real-life murder cases.
**that would be more realistic than what's
happening at the mo**
Well done to those who guessed Phil paid the foreman for a guilty verdict! :clap: It didn't cross my mind at the time, but it seems obvious with hindsight.[/QUOTE]
Ive missed bits - so I think I assumed that
he was wanting "not guilty" (usual expectation)
but when you think.about it Phil knows Jane
- so he wouldn't put her on the side of someone
he wanted to be found innocent.Not his biggest
fan but hes a lot more astute than that!!
The Bobby story has been a disappointment
over what it could be. Mainly writing ridiculous
scenes but for me also.Janes over- involvement.
I can understand panic-but she doesn't
think logically at all.
In real life if Bobby went along his current
path-she would be another early victim!
Still its been very entertaining reading
Parkermans "Carry-on" references.
The Bobby story has been a disappointment
over what it could be. Mainly writing ridiculous
scenes but for me also.Janes over- involvement.
I can understand panic-but she doesn't
think logically at all.
In real life if Bobby went along his current
path-she would be another early victim!
There was so much potential for seeing Bobby grow and develop into a psychopath, with the Beales being in denial about it for years. That could still happen I suppose, but far too many people know he killed Lucy to keep it quiet for much longer.
It's not just Jane that's thinking illogically, although she's the worst of course. Everyone involved is going to ludicrous lengths to cover for an accidental killing by a young boy. Even worse, they keep changing their minds episode by episode. Why for instance did Jane suddenly decide during the latest episode that she could live with Max being found guilty after the lengths she's gone to get him off?
None of it makes sense and it feels like the writers are making it up as they go along. :wall:
parkerman
30-09-2015, 20:01
I think Lauren has changed her mind at least half a dozen times. I'm not sure as I've lost count!
tammyy2j
30-09-2015, 20:55
Dean couldn't care less about Max, his sole concern is about people judging himself guilty of raping Linda. Are we supposed to believe from what he said that he still considers himself innocent?
I agree he don't care about Max but him and Stacey were the only two vocal about him being innocent even if Dean's opinion was aimed more at himself being innocent which I think he truly does believe
parkerman
30-09-2015, 21:00
None of it makes sense and it feels like the writers are making it up as they go along. :wall:
I haven't looked at who has written each episode but I'm just wonding if one writer thinks that Lauren wants to free Max, whereas another one thinks she wants Max to go to jail and similarly with Jane. And each writer then writes the episode in their own way, which would explain the inconsistency, though not why DTC would allow that to happen!
(Actually, I don't really think that but it seems as good an explanation as any and whatever the reason for the inconsistencies it can't be much better.)
tammyy2j
01-10-2015, 15:41
I think Lauren has changed her mind at least half a dozen times. I'm not sure as I've lost count!
And Abi also changing her story many times about the night Lucy died
I haven't looked at who has written each episode but I'm just wonding if one writer thinks that Lauren wants to free Max, whereas another one thinks she wants Max to go to jail and similarly with Jane. And each writer then writes the episode in their own way, which would explain the inconsistency, though not why DTC would allow that to happen!
According to Wikipedia there's nearly 200 people currently writing scripts for Eastenders!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EastEnders_crew_members#Writers
While that explains minor inconsistencies in the quality and tone of each episode, each writer receives a detailed outline for their episodes (which I believe are produced and overseen by the story editors), from which they write the script. Then obviously the finished product will be checked by other staff before being filmed.
There's no way DTC has the time to check each script for inconsistencies - or even have input into every story/episode - but I'm afraid as the boss the buck stops with him.
Tonight's episode just confirmed for me that the Lucy story will drag on for another year until Max's return! Yawn yawn yawn.........
xx_Dan_xx
01-10-2015, 20:11
Tonight's episode just confirmed for me that the Lucy story will drag on for another year until Max's return! Yawn yawn yawn.........
Not necessarily, they certainly cant leave Max's story there. Max could get off and then leave the square.
xx_Dan_xx
01-10-2015, 20:11
Tonight's episode just confirmed for me that the Lucy story will drag on for another year until Max's return! Yawn yawn yawn.........
Not necessarily, they certainly cant leave Max's story there. Max could get off and then leave the square.
Rear window
01-10-2015, 21:09
What was funniest?
Him asking if he'd fit in the boot that she'd put Lucy in, or him screaming and telling the world it was Bobby?
Now everyone knows and no one believes it.
Rear window
01-10-2015, 21:09
dup.
What was funniest?
Him asking if he'd fit in the boot that she'd put Lucy in, or him screaming and telling the world it was Bobby?
Now everyone knows and no one believes it.
stacey does
max has the worse kids ever in abi and lauren, all he ever did was be a cheat so over use max jnr
storyseeker1
01-10-2015, 22:07
So Max is gonna spend his year off in jail then. What a shame, as I was hoping he'd go on the run with Carol. What a bitch Abi is, selling out her dad. I hope that when the truth finally does come out, she tops herself out of guilt!
Ugh, I've had a horrible thought. Since Max is gone for a year, does that mean Bobby's secret won't be revealed until a year from now either? Seriously, they're not gonna drag this on for all that time, are they???!
Not necessarily, they certainly cant leave Max's story there. Max could get off and then leave the square.
hope he does
ian tries to kill himself soon could bobby be charged and taken away
massod knows something was up with jane maybe he will have some decency and get max out as his kids wont
Rear window
01-10-2015, 22:37
So Max is gonna spend his year off in jail then. What a shame, as I was hoping he'd go on the run with Carol. What a bitch Abi is, selling out her dad. I hope that when the truth finally does come out, she tops herself out of guilt!
Ugh, I've had a horrible thought. Since Max is gone for a year, does that mean Bobby's secret won't be revealed until a year from now either? Seriously, they're not gonna drag this on for all that time, are they???!
I've got a free soap mag come through the door this morning. There's a page on EE I was going to scan in and put on spoilers when I get a chnge. Didn't know if I should ask someone first...
Rear window
01-10-2015, 22:37
So Max is gonna spend his year off in jail then. What a shame, as I was hoping he'd go on the run with Carol. What a bitch Abi is, selling out her dad. I hope that when the truth finally does come out, she tops herself out of guilt!
Ugh, I've had a horrible thought. Since Max is gone for a year, does that mean Bobby's secret won't be revealed until a year from now either? Seriously, they're not gonna drag this on for all that time, are they???!
I've got a free soap mag come through the door this morning. There's a page on EE I was going to scan in and put on spoilers when I get a chnge. Didn't know if I should ask someone first...
At last, a character finds out the truth about Bobby and doesn't try to cover it up! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
It's a shame the justice system won't believe him, but now Max knows the truth I'd like to see Marcus Christie play detective for his appeal. Stacey would help I'm sure.
What a bitch Abi is, selling out her dad. I hope that when the truth finally does come out, she tops herself out of guilt!
I think Abi genuinely believes Max murdered Lucy. I suppose at least she's not willing to cover up the crime like most of the other characters (behaviour which we've all been decrying).
I've got a free soap mag come through the door this morning. There's a page on EE I was going to scan in and put on spoilers when I get a chnge. Didn't know if I should ask someone first...
You don't need to ask. Just make sure it goes in the EE spoilers forum in the appropriate thread. You can make a thread if there's not one already for that week.
I enjoyed that episode. :)
jake wood knocked it out of the park again acting stakes, him and lindsey are big losses
stendersfan
02-10-2015, 00:40
Well Max managed to finish his sentence. Lot's of times. "It was Bobby!!" Loved Max today.
https://makespace-resources-production.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/v1/482/scaled/460x0/resources/482/max-jane-bobbydidit.jpg
"IT WAS BOBBY!!!" (https://www.mixital.co.uk/digitalmake/dcsnhkepk9)
I miss a lot of EastEnders now, missed last night .. what happened with Max? Last I saw he was escaping from the courtroom ..
parkerman
02-10-2015, 09:39
The Fairy Godmother tried to wave her magic wand to make everything better but the two Ugly Sisters had other ideas and while they were carrying on a conversation saying, "He's behind you!. "Oh no he isn't!", "Oh yes he is!", the wicked witch and her flying monkeys broke in and grabbed Max, taking him off to their lair, never to be seen again...at least till his contract starts again next year.
Or, in other words, Max had turned up at Jane's house wanting to know why she had given him a false alibi. Jane didn't say why but said she would help Max escape. She was going to drive him to Wales so he could catch a ferry to Ireland. But he wouldn't go without saying goodbye to his daughters and grandson first (as you do, when the police are all over the Square and speed is of the essence). Jane went to get them at Carol's, but they weren't there. Carol realised what was going on and went over to see Max and said she'd go with him. When Lauren and Abi eventually turned up and were told their father wanted to see them before going on the run, Abi phoned the police. Oh yes, Stacey also came to see Max at some point. As the police arrived to take Max away, he twigged that Jane was protecting Bobby and as he was taken out he shouted at the police and everyone who just happened to be standing around in the Square at the time (including Winston), that Bobby was the killer. Stacey looked suitably thoughtful.
P.S. Max also discovered that Lauren had known all along that Bobby had done it and wasn't best pleased! He told Abi and Lauren that they were both dead to him.
I wish they had the omnibus edition at a reasonable hour, loved catching up on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Thank you parkerman for the details :)
max didn't tell abi she was dead to him only lauren, he didn't see abi who called cops on him
lauren is worse that abi who she is trying to get away from mitchell family as too much influence over her a bit rich coming from lauren with beales
i be interested to see what abi would do if she overheard lauren, jane or phil or sharon discussing truth
max didn't tell abi she was dead to him only lauren, he didn't see abi who called cops on him
lauren is worse that abi who she is trying to get away from mitchell family as too much influence over her a bit rich coming from lauren with beales
i be interested to see what abi would do if she overheard lauren, jane or phil or sharon discussing truth
xx_Dan_xx
02-10-2015, 12:48
It is kind of obvious where this is going. Maybe my earlier joke about Tamwar finding out isn't so far from the truth.
Stacey confronts Jane, keeps quiet >> She'll eventually tell Martin and keep quiet >> He'll tell Kush and keep quiet >> He'll tell Shabnam and keep quiet >> She'll tell her dad and Tamwar.
Boom, there is the next year or so of Lucy beale story till Max returns.
xx_Dan_xx
02-10-2015, 12:48
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tammyy2j
02-10-2015, 13:11
I am hoping for a twist tonight
I felt sorry for Max even though he did want to leave Alice in prison to help Stacey with Janine, also still think Max loves Stacey
Jane was helping Lucy's "killer Max" with a false alibi and now escape the country, she has to be in trouble and everyone should be questioning why
I would imagine everyone will talking about Max accusing Bobby with Stacey believing Max, others like Massod, Mick and Carol may believe it was Bobby over past conversations with Ian and Jane
Lauren is awful way more so than Abi, Abi thinks Max is guilty
xx_Dan_xx
02-10-2015, 13:23
I am hoping for a twist tonight
I felt sorry for Max even though he did want to leave Alice in prison to help Stacey with Janine, also still think Max loves Stacey
Jane was helping Lucy's "killer Max" with a false alibi and now escape the country, she has to be in trouble and everyone should be questioning why
I would imagine everyone will talking about Max accusing Bobby with Stacey believing Max, others like Massod, Mick and Carol may believe it was Bobby over past conversations with Ian and Jane
Lauren is awful way more so than Abi, Abi thinks Max is guilty
Yeah and they've got to question why Max would go to Jane's house in the first place.
xx_Dan_xx
02-10-2015, 13:23
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forgot about alice, is she still in jail for killing mikey
parkerman
02-10-2015, 14:27
I am hoping for a twist tonight
others like Massod, Mick and Carol may believe it was Bobby over past conversations with Ian and Jane
Yes, Mick was looking very pensive when Max was taken away and shouting that Bobby did it. I can't quite remember the conversation now, but didn't he have one with Ian early on that made him suspicious?
Yes, Mick was looking very pensive when Max was taken away and shouting that Bobby did it. I can't quite remember the conversation now, but didn't he have one with Ian early on that made him suspicious?
did mick ask you know who did it and ian answered yes but mick brought it up again when max was arrested and ian said he confused mixed up that night his wedding night
Yes, Mick was looking very pensive when Max was taken away and shouting that Bobby did it. I can't quite remember the conversation now, but didn't he have one with Ian early on that made him suspicious?
did mick ask you know who did it and ian answered yes but mick brought it up again when max was arrested and ian said he confused mixed up that night his wedding night
Rear window
02-10-2015, 15:02
Why wouldn't he go to his lover's house who has stood up for him in court when his some of his family were not supporting him?
Doesn't quite wash - and if he says she was planning on driving him to the ferry then I spose there are reasons a lover would want you to get away safely.. Perhaps.
All stringing it out a bit longer. We've gone from no one knowing to everyone knowing. But who'll believe it? Which ties in with one of the maagzine pages I scanned in! :)
Rear window
02-10-2015, 15:02
Why wouldn't he go to his lover's house who has stood up for him in court when his some of his family were not supporting him?
Doesn't quite wash - and if he says she was planning on driving him to the ferry then I spose there are reasons a lover would want you to get away safely.. Perhaps.
All stringing it out a bit longer. We've gone from no one knowing to everyone knowing. But who'll believe it? Which ties in with one of the maagzine pages I scanned in! :)
Well Max managed to finish his sentence. Lot's of times. \"It was Bobby!!\" Loved Max today.
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\\\"IT WAS BOBBY!!!\\\" (\\\"https://www.mixital.co.uk/digitalmake/dcsnhkepk9\\\")
Nice artwork stendersfan! Is it your own? :)
I wish they had the omnibus edition at a reasonable hour, loved catching up on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Thank you parkerman for the details :)
The episodes are usually on youtube and there are various methods of streaming to your TV if you don't want to watch it on your laptop/tablet.
also still think Max loves Stacey
Their scene was unexpectedly touching. I always liked their chemistry, which is why the affair storyline worked so well. I'd quite like to see them together properly in the future. Max needs another direction other than affair after affair when he returns.
Jane was helping Lucy's "killer Max" with a false alibi and now escape the country, she has to be in trouble and everyone should be questioning why
She can just say what she told Max - she's known him a long time and didn't believe he was capable of killing Lucy. It looks dead suss but could anyone prove otherwise?
did mick ask you know who did it and ian answered yes but mick brought it up again when max was arrested and ian said he confused mixed up that night his wedding night
I don't think Mick believed Ian's unconvincing explanation. I wouldn't be surprised if he now realises Max was telling the truth.
parkerman
02-10-2015, 17:08
Yy
She can just say what she told Max - she's known him a long time and didn't believe he was capable of killing Lucy. It looks dead suss but could anyone prove otherwise?
The fact that Max was found guilty shows that the jury did not believe Jane's story. Therefore she should be charged with perjury.
The fact that Max was found guilty shows that the jury did not believe Jane's story. Therefore she should be charged with perjury.
That's very true about the perjury and I wonder if the police will take it further?
I was thinking more in terms of the community questioning why Jane would help Max when I made that comment.
maidmarian
02-10-2015, 17:42
:hmm:
That's very true about the perjury and I wonder if the police will take it further?
I was thinking more in terms of the community questioning why Jane would help Max when I made that comment.
Either would be something but not sure which
might actually happen-
Soap Police taking action??
Community questioning ??
On previous form difficult to predict:hmm:
Still one the Square WILL be rocked!!
:hmm:
Either would be something but not sure which
might actually happen-
Soap Police taking action??
Community questioning ??
On previous form difficult to predict:hmm:
Still one the Square WILL be rocked!!
And the lives of the residents will never be the same again???:D
parkerman
02-10-2015, 19:03
the Square WILL be rocked!!
And the lives of the residents will never be the same again???:D
Just watch it you two! :lol:
Just watch it you two! :lol:
Yes Sir, sorry Sir :p:D
Carol taking off on a bike without a destiny?? With all that what is going on? Unbelievable !!
21 years for max and no one cares
Rear window
02-10-2015, 20:49
Carol taking off on a bike without a destiny?? With all that what is going on? Unbelievable !!
Does she have a motorbike licence?
Rear window
02-10-2015, 20:49
Carol taking off on a bike without a destiny?? With all that what is going on? Unbelievable !!
Does she have a motorbike licence?
tonight's episode felt is wasn't a follow on from yesterday's to me, very bad writing
parkerman
02-10-2015, 21:48
Why didn't Lauren tell Abi about Bobby?
Why doesn't she go and see Marcus?
Why didn't she ask DS Bryant why Jane should give Max an alibi?
After DS Bryant said Max got what he deserved because of what happened to Emma, why doesn't she demand to see one of the inspectors on the case?
Why is Jane now apparently comfortable with Max going down for 20 years?
Why hasn't Jane been arrested for perjury?
What possible hold could the foreman of the jury have on Phil to demand more money as he can't go to the police without being in trouble himself?
Apart from that all very believable. Oh, except that I was expecting Laurel and Hardy to turn up and they didn't. That was a serious mistake.
maidmarian
02-10-2015, 21:52
tonight's episode felt is wasn't a follow on from yesterday's to me, very bad writing
Well the way things are going - perhaps some
confusion.and films of episodes got in
wrong order??
I liked Carol's exit. OK, it was a bit daft, but it set Carol free from her drudgery - which I found moving. I admit I had to work hard to ignore the fact that she's not interested in fighting for Max even though she believes him innocent.
21 years for max and no one cares
Well I suppose Lauren showed some compassion at last, but it was too little too late. Did she really think the police would take her any more seriously than they took Max without evidence? She could have stayed to fight though instead of slinking back to New Zealand. I'm sure Marcus Christie would have been delighted to hear her story.
I assume that's the last we'll see of Lauren for a while.
lauren should have told marsbar, keeble, marcus, abi and carol and all of the vic then went off back to peter in nz
tammyy2j
03-10-2015, 01:50
I liked Carol's exit. OK, it was a bit daft, but it set Carol free from her drudgery - which I found moving. I admit I had to work hard to ignore the fact that she's not interested in fighting for Max even though she believes him innocent.
Well I suppose Lauren showed some compassion at last, but it was too little too late. Did she really think the police would take her any more seriously than they took Max without evidence? She could have stayed to fight though instead of slinking back to New Zealand. I'm sure Marcus Christie would have been delighted to hear her story.
I assume that's the last we'll see of Lauren for a while.
I'd be happy to never see Lauren again, don't think she can come back from just leaving her dad stay in prison and why didn't she tell Abi the truth :angry: :wall: or at least another detective like Marsden plus she could mention Phil paying the jury foreman
I was disappointed that no one was talking about Max and Bobby, I expected some to be chatting about it in the pub especially as so many like to gossip
How come Carol didn't question Jane on her alibi for Max and helping him escape to Ireland, was he going to visit Kat and Alfie :p
Also I would think Tanya would have came up or rang Jane to see if it were true her sleeping with Max, they are best friends
Carol exit on the bike, which was very obvious it wasn't her riding it with that theme was good but her complete 360 turn on innocent Max was out of character but so many characters have changed their minds in this Lucy storyline
parkerman
03-10-2015, 09:45
And the silence from Liam and Cindy is still deafening.
moonstorm
03-10-2015, 10:42
How did Lauren manage to get a passport so quickly for the baby?
How did Lauren manage to get a passport so quickly for the baby?
Must have gone to the same passport office as Kat and Alfie did after only paying in the cheque for their scratchcard winnings a week before they left!
maidmarian
03-10-2015, 14:00
Dupl
maidmarian
03-10-2015, 14:00
[QUOTE=tammyy2j;832071]I'd be happy to never see Lauren again, don't think she can come back from just leaving her dad stay in prison and why didn't she tell Abi the truth :angry: :wall: or at least another detective like Marsden plus she could mention Phil
paying jury foreman[ quote]
**Reply**
I agree with your comments Tamny- also Dazzles
below. Its appalling behaviour from daughter to
father . But if she had done some of things you
suggest -would character be free to leave UK
( giving info to police -might be questioned etc
called as witness)
As actress is an employee**she has a right to
Maternity leave and to return to work after
Maternity leave -latest.date Next feb?? But
thought I read December.??
Cant just sack her!
They also have to explain Peters non return
and whats going to happen to marriage?
So.they decided to bring her back -with her
agreement - for a short while to involve her
in story before full time return.
It could have been done better -but there's
a balance of " rights" and contracts etc.
against story believabilty.
I hope when the character returns fully she
behaves as she should have done orginally
but at least has some involvement/ knowledge!!
**Most actors were treated as self- employed
but long term soap actors are now employees.
Which makes an employer liable to pay NI
for them and can reduce the expenses the
enployee can claim against their tax bill.
So Win Win for government - whichever
party.
Cannot see any conclusion to this storyline other than someone or something causing Bobby to react violently and show his true colours. Such a great shame that what could have been one of the classic soap stories has been spoilt by including so much nonsense over the past months.:(
maidmarian
03-10-2015, 14:50
:)
So Max is just able to go back to the Square and go to Jane's house without being seen....except by Brian Rix, Coco, Corporal Jones and Kenneth Williams of course.....
Youve mentioned many comical people in your
comments on this subject parkerman.
Just one possible omission-
In the court scene where Jane is providing
Maxs " alibi" -I thought a cameo performance
by Dick Emery going "Oooh you are awe-fullll"
might have been a nice addition!!:)
lauren should have told marsbar, keeble, marcus, abi and carol and all of the vic then went off back to peter in nz
To be honest, I don't think any of the detectives would have believed Lauren at that point, and I doubt Abi would have either. It would sound like a desperate ploy to get her father off. Carol probably would have believed after some convincing, and I'm sure Marcus would try to use it whether he believed or not.
How did Lauren manage to get a passport so quickly for the baby?
It is possible to get a passport urgently. You can get one within four hours of your application being accepted. I don't know if that would apply in Lauren's case, but I suppose if the writers know it's theoretically possible they might not think it necessary to look into it any deeper.
To be honest, I don't think any of the detectives would have believed Lauren at that point, and I doubt Abi would have either. It would sound like a desperate ploy to get her father off. Carol probably would have believed after some convincing, and I'm sure Marcus would try to use it whether he believed or not.
It is possible to get a passport urgently. You can get one within four hours of your application being accepted. I don't know if that would apply in Lauren's case, but I suppose if the writers know it's theoretically possible they might not think it necessary to look into it any deeper.
if detectives questioned jane she'd crack, bryant wants to punish max, lauren didn't make an effort after telling bryant
if detectives questioned jane she'd crack, bryant wants to punish max, lauren didn't make an effort after telling bryant
I agree Jane would crack quickly under interrogation, but I'm still not sure the other detectives would be interested in Lauren's story about Bobby unless she had some proof. As far as they're concerned justice has been served. Cases classed as solved aren't easily reopened, so I doubt they'd be interested in questioning Jane. They've moved on to their next case.
Lauren's best bet would have been to try and convince Marcus. He has the power to take it further and to find evidence that could be used for an appeal.
Ruffed_lemur
04-10-2015, 19:13
Wish Lauren had demanded to see someone else to give her statement, and told them how biased the other officer was.
tammyy2j
04-10-2015, 22:21
Wish Lauren had demanded to see someone else to give her statement, and told them how biased the other officer was.
Marsden would be have been better as Bryant and Keeble have it out for Max over Emma also though how can Bryant work on Lucy's case with Max arrested given their history and conflict over Emma
Emma chose Max and he didn't kill her
If Lauren had told about Phil paying off a jury member to Marsden she would investigate
Also Lauren could have gone to see Marcus after the police station instead of just leaving back to New Zealand
I still don't understand why Lauren wouldn't tell Abi and Carol the truth
I agree Jane would crack quickly under interrogation, but I'm still not sure the other detectives would be interested in Lauren's story about Bobby unless she had some proof. As far as they're concerned justice has been served. Cases classed as solved aren't easily reopened, so I doubt they'd be interested in questioning Jane. They've moved on to their next case.
Lauren's best bet would have been to try and convince Marcus. He has the power to take it further and to find evidence that could be used for an appeal.
she had some of emma's evidence notes about the case or were they destroyed, lauren just giving up after telling bryant was lazy script writing, she could have contacted marcus and threatened jane and went to the papers and other media outlets, stop at nothing to free her father like any child would do
I agree Jane would crack quickly under interrogation, but I'm still not sure the other detectives would be interested in Lauren's story about Bobby unless she had some proof. As far as they're concerned justice has been served. Cases classed as solved aren't easily reopened, so I doubt they'd be interested in questioning Jane. They've moved on to their next case.
Lauren's best bet would have been to try and convince Marcus. He has the power to take it further and to find evidence that could be used for an appeal.
she had some of emma's evidence notes about the case or were they destroyed, lauren just giving up after telling bryant was lazy script writing, she could have contacted marcus and threatened jane and went to the papers and other media outlets, stop at nothing to free her father like any child would do
she had some of emma's evidence notes about the case or were they destroyed, lauren just giving up after telling bryant was lazy script writing, she could have contacted marcus and threatened jane and went to the papers and other media outlets, stop at nothing to free her father like any child would do
She certainly could have done a lot more than she did. She gave up far too easily.
ian never asked about his new grandson
stacey cutting martin out as he isn't the daddy
ian never asked about his new grandson
stacey cutting martin out as he isn't the daddy
Rear window
05-10-2015, 21:24
stacey cutting martin out as he isn't the daddy
She looked at scan letter to kush...
Rear window
05-10-2015, 21:24
Dup post
storyseeker1
05-10-2015, 22:18
I thought for sure Bobby was gonna strike Ian down in tonight's episode.
a journalist shows up now and lauren is gone and no one else will speak up
I'm pleased to see twisted Bobby becoming apparent to Ian and Jane. It's the direction I've wanted the story to take all along.
I'm guessing Stacey didn't want Martin to see the scan photo because I just checked my baby granddaughter's scans and they clearly have the gestational age printed on them. Maybe there's a time discrepancy that Martin could figure out.
Jason seems to have a thing for the much older ladies. :p I wonder what his game is?
Lovely scenes between Linda and Mick. Has DTC been listening to viewer complaints that the rape storyline sidelined Linda? There've been a few decent scenes recently exploring her emotional state. :clap:
tammyy2j
06-10-2015, 13:39
Poor Martin if he isn't the daddy not too bright but don't deserve that lie
My heart was breaking for Shabham, well acted and I do like her friendship with Stacey
She looked at scan letter to kush...
?????
She looked at scan letter to kush...
was her scan letter addressed to kush ?????
Poor Martin if he isn't the daddy not too bright but don't deserve that lie
I feel sorry for him too if it turns out to be true.
My heart was breaking for Shabham, well acted and I do like her friendship with Stacey
I was in bits too. Very moving scene. :(
was her scan letter addressed to kush ?????
I took Rear window's post to mean Stacey looked at her scan letter and then looked at Kush. I didn't notice the look, but I'm sure it was written into the script for a reason.
Rear window
06-10-2015, 21:22
was her scan letter addressed to kush ?????
She looked at the scan letter, then looked up and the first thing she saw was kush.
Sorry was trying to shorthand as I am not on my real typing device.
Rear window
06-10-2015, 21:22
was her scan letter addressed to kush ?????
She looked at the scan letter, then looked up and the first thing she saw was kush.
Sorry was trying to shorthand as I am not on my real typing device.
tammyy2j
06-10-2015, 21:46
I hope Kush isn't the dad
parkerman
06-10-2015, 22:32
That was a very interesting road where Ian was about to hurl himself off the bridge. I presume it was somewhere in London and yet there was no traffic. A completely empty road. I'd love to know where it was supposed to be.
tammyy2j
06-10-2015, 22:47
Little baby Louis has two grandpas Jane, Ian and Max who is in prison thanks to Bobby
Maybe Ian thinks Lucy will come back now just like Kathy :p
She looked at the scan letter, then looked up and the first thing she saw was kush.
Sorry was trying to shorthand as I am not on my real typing device.
yes she acting weird around kush and martin
anyone else hoping ian would jump or fall and how did kathy know where he was did she come there with sharon
She looked at the scan letter, then looked up and the first thing she saw was kush.
Sorry was trying to shorthand as I am not on my real typing device.
yes she acting weird around kush and martin
anyone else hoping ian would jump or fall and how did kathy know where he was did she come there with sharon
The scenes between Ian and Jane on the bridge were very well written and acted, so it's a shame the stunt looked a bit amateurish. I understand EE has a very low budget, but Ian must have superhuman balance not to have fallen off that narrow rail whilst having such a lengthy and emotional conversation with Jane. I think it would have been much better to have had Ian standing at ground level on the outside of the rails. He still would have been in great danger because he could have let go at any moment. (Plus the stunt man standing in for Adam Woodyatt looked nothing like him.)
Saying that, I was annoyed when the bridge scene cut to the Vic because I was so immersed in it. Also, I'm delighted Ian feels so guilty about Max's incarceration because it humanises him.
...how did kathy know where he was did she come there with sharon
Jane phoned Sharon and told her where she thought Ian might be, and then there was a knock at the door. Sharon was surprised when she opened the door, so I think we can safely assume it was Kathy and that Sharon gave her the lowdown.
I hope there was a point to the silly Elaine/Babe/Jason scenes. Maybe it was done to turn the two ladies into bitter enemies?
Also, I think they missed a trick where the shock of Kathy turning up nearly causes Ian to fall and Jane just manages to grab hold of him in time. Kathy could have then helped pull him to safety. It would have made a much more dramatic first meeting for Ian and the mother he thought was long since deceased.
However, perhaps something like that was considered and discarded as too predictable.
maidmarian
07-10-2015, 00:39
I hope there was a point to the silly Elaine/Babe/Jason scenes. Maybe it was done to turn the two ladies into bitter enemies?[/QUOTE]
Possibly -or the opposite. Not often -but
occassionally - being two-timed by same
man can turn the two women into fast
friends .When they realise what a #??#!!
he was. Not as tho he was the love of a
lifetime for either!
I agree its a silly story !
maidmarian
07-10-2015, 00:39
I hope there was a point to the silly Elaine/Babe/Jason scenes. Maybe it was done to turn the two ladies into bitter enemies?[/QUOTE]
Possibly -or the opposite. Not often -but
occassionally - being two-timed by same
man can turn the two women into fast
friends .When they realise what a #??#!!
he was. Not as tho he was the love of a
lifetime for either!
I agree its a silly story !
tammyy2j
07-10-2015, 13:19
Jason will move on to Dot or Pam now
Jason will move on to Dot or Pam now
:sick::nono:
Predictable. Sensationalist. Disgraceful, turning a stillbirth into a plot device for Shabnam to want back her abandoned daughter. I have no words for how awful DTC has made this show in the last year or so, even moreso since the 30th.
I caught the end but needless to say I won't be watching the episode. I will fastforward and watch the Ian scenes and that's it.
parkerman
08-10-2015, 21:22
Talk about bad luck, eh? The one car that comes along that road......
Talk about bad luck, eh? The one car that comes along that road......
Just another copy from Santer era. Ronnie and Danielle but without the fatality.
damn the nurse or doctor missed out by not asking which one of ian's ladies was his wife
kathy wanted a better life for ben so chose money she must be so proud of how ben turned out
damn the nurse or doctor missed out by not asking which one of ian's ladies was his wife
kathy wanted a better life for ben so chose money she must be so proud of how ben turned out
Predictable. Sensationalist. Disgraceful, turning a stillbirth into a plot device for Shabnam to want back her abandoned daughter.
I couldn't disagree with you more Kim. I find it perfectly natural that Shabnam's stirred up maternal feelings have made her want to protect Jade (especially after seeing her with the despicable Dean). Many women who go through miscarriages and stillbirths try to get pregnant again immediately because they need a child to put all that love into.
I was always convinced Shabnam loved Roya/Jade deep down but was too overwhelmed with guilt to allow herself to feel it. She's been in deep, deep denial for years and Zaair's short life and death has changed that. Shabnam couldn't protect poor Zaair but she can protect Jade. I find it quite moving actually.
It wasn't just a plot device because such thought and care has gone into the storyline. The stillbirth episode wasn't hailed as one of the best episodes ever by many fans for no reason.
I have no words for how awful DTC has made this show in the last year or so, even moreso since the 30th.
Yes, EE has undoubtedly gone downhill since the 30th, and I've been very vocal in my criticism. However, I think Shabnam's story is one they've got right.
I caught the end but needless to say I won't be watching the episode. I will fastforward and watch the Ian scenes and that's it.
Maybe if you watch all of Shabnam's scenes and hear her reasoning you'll feel slightly differently. She explained her feelings quite movingly to Kush.
Overall, I thought tonight's episode was very good (much, much better than Tuesday's with that ridiculous stunt) with standout performances from the actresses who play Jane, Shabnam, Linda and Babe.
I really want to see some lengthy and intense scenes between Ian and Kathy tomorrow.
Possibly -or the opposite. Not often -but
occassionally - being two-timed by same
man can turn the two women into fast
friends .When they realise what a #??#!!
he was. Not as tho he was the love of a
lifetime for either!
It seems you were right about Elaine and Babe bonding over Jason! :clap:
jay dumped, back to abi so once ben dumps her
tammyy2j
09-10-2015, 22:18
I like that Shabham wants to get to know Jade/Roya but prefer she does it more slowly instead of just telling Kush she wants her to live with them, both have just lost their son and need to grief together and begin to heal if that is ever possible
Shabham called Dean a rapist so maybe some of the locals do believe Linda, Stacey believes Linda so I assume she could have told Shabham it is true
Kathy's storyline seems to become more unbelievable as it goes on, faking deaths for insurance money, hope there is way more to this
Why did Lola dump Jay on his birthday?
I like Paul and Ben together
I think I would have preferred more Shabham and Kush scenes than Kathy's
xx_Dan_xx
09-10-2015, 22:26
I like that Shabham wants to get to know Jade/Roya but prefer she does it more slowly instead of just telling Kush she wants her to live with them, both have just lost their son and need to grief together and begin to heal if that is ever possible
Shabham called Dean a rapist so maybe some of the locals do believe Linda, Stacey believes Linda so I assume she could have told Shabham it is true
Kathy's storyline seems to become more unbelievable as it goes on, faking deaths for insurance money, hope there is way more to this
Why did Lola dump Jay on his birthday?
I like Paul and Ben together
I think I would have preferred more Shabham and Kush scenes than Kathy's
In the episode where Gavin and Kathy were in the small plane, Gavin did say that men were after him, although he did manipulate her into thinking them. He did say that leaving them was for the best. Although Kathy did say it was Gavin who owed the money, Gavin did manipulate her and it's not be strictly stated yet if these men know Kathy or whether they'd go after her. Gavin is an insane git but Kathy was right to leave if I am honest, if these men were after Gavin, loansharks will use people closest to them to get their money back.
The only problem is that the above was actually said but the danger Ian and Ben would be in has not be clearly stated.
xx_Dan_xx
09-10-2015, 22:26
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maidmarian
09-10-2015, 22:52
Dup
maidmarian
09-10-2015, 22:52
Dupl
parkerman
09-10-2015, 23:52
Dup
Dupl
A Dup of a Dup. Must be some sort of record.:D
maidmarian
10-10-2015, 00:00
A Dup of a Dup. Must be some sort of record.:D
It must be a special talent!!
maidmarian
10-10-2015, 00:00
A Dup of a Dup. Must be some sort of record.:D
It must be a special talent!!
maidmarian
10-10-2015, 00:07
A Dup of a Dup. Must be some sort of record.:D
I dont know what happened??!
Just posted short reply to Lizann -to
say "perhaps that when action starts?"
because I think when Ben dumps Abi
- she will go totally OTT!!
I thought Ben's reaction to Kathy was good but I'm not so sure about Ian's. He seemed to me to be way too accepting. Of course, nobody knows how they'll react to a specific situation unless they've experienced it themselves. Also, I'm wondering if, given Ian's emotional instability, he's currently on a high but will come crashing down to earth when reality hits him. I was expecting more fireworks from the episode to be honest.
It seems that Kathy's "coming out" to her kids was orchestrated by Gavin and linked to his plans for Phil. I'm not sure what that's all about...
I also like Ben and Paul together. They seem to have a genuine connection. I'm also glad Ben genuinely cares for Abi and isn't just callously using her (although she probably won't see it that way).
I like that Shabham wants to get to know Jade/Roya but prefer she does it more slowly instead of just telling Kush she wants her to live with them, both have just lost their son and need to grief together and begin to heal if that is ever possible
I agree, but I think seeing Jade with Dean forced her to make a quick decision. I want to protect Jade from him myself.
felt ben's shock reaction was similar to sharon's to her dirty daddy den rising
i thought bobby would freak as he was told nana kathy was dead :p
has ian still a photo of cindy his ex wife who tried to kill him in his house, none of her kids live there anymore
felt ben's shock reaction was similar to sharon's to her dirty daddy den rising
i thought bobby would freak as he was told nana kathy was dead :p
has ian still a photo of cindy his ex wife who tried to kill him in his house, none of her kids live there anymore
i thought bobby would freak as he was told nana kathy was dead :p
Bobby might still freak out at the unexpected news, especially since he's being excluded from what's going on. It's upsetting for kids to feel adults are acting strangely and keeping secrets from them.
xx_Dan_xx
10-10-2015, 01:01
Bobby might still freak out at the unexpected news, especially since he's being excluded from what's going on. It's upsetting for kids to feel adults are acting strangely and keeping secrets from them.
Well, the last time he knew what was going on was Lucy taking drugs and causing trouble and he soon took care of that didn't he.
Really good scenes between Ben and Kathy tonight. Why did I find the scenes between Ian and Kathy so underwhelming in comparison? I think all the interruptions must have played a part. First it was the accident, then Ian being taken for an x-ray, then back at the house Ian goes for a nap (of all things!), then we have several confrontations between Jane and Kathy. We needed some lengthy one-on-one scenes between Ian and his mum to build up some emotional intensity.
At least Ian said tonight that he still couldn't believe he's got his mum back. If it hasn't yet sunk in properly there's room for more drama.
parkerman
12-10-2015, 22:50
Sorry, I have to disagree, Dazzle. I was totally underwhelmed by the Ben/Kathy scenes tonight. What was all this about Phil accepting Ben being gay fir example and Ben just going along with that? Sorry, I thought he was just too accepting of all the nonsense Kathy was telling him.
On another point, I find it strange that social workers in a place like Walford have so little to do that they can just drop everything and go in for a cup of tea and a chat. No other appointments?
Sorry, I have to disagree, Dazzle. I was totally underwhelmed by the Ben/Kathy scenes tonight. What was all this about Phil accepting Ben being gay fir example and Ben just going along with that? Sorry, I thought he was just too accepting of all the nonsense Kathy was telling him.
No need to apologise! :p
I must admit I'm not sure what all that stuff about Phil knowing Ben was gay was all about. It feels like a bit of a retcon. Are supposed to think Phil knew Ben was gay but was in denial about it as Ben grew up because he wanted him to follow in his footsteps as a tough guy and bully? :hmm: (Phil obviously doesn't understand that gay men can be tough and bullies too...)
At least Ben was angry with Kathy for several days before they reconciled. Ian just accepted it all straight away! I really can't understand his attitude at all and hope there's more strife to come between them.
I think Kathy's explanation of Gavin's abuse has played a large part in why both of her sons reconciled with her more quickly than would otherwise be expected. The trouble is I don't feel we viewers have heard enough of the details to yet be convinced.
tammyy2j
12-10-2015, 23:22
I am finding Kathy's storyline so far very underwhelming
I am finding Kathy's storyline so far very underwhelming
Yes I agree. Although I really liked her and Ben's scenes tonight, her reintroduction on the whole has fallen flat for me. I only hope Gavin playing a larger part will spice things up.
the cynic in me thinks kathy was manipulating ben by tells of missing and accepting him as gay to get him on side that she knew he was gay at school
patrick looked well out alone walking and talking
the cynic in me thinks kathy was manipulating ben by tells of missing and accepting him as gay to get him on side that she knew he was gay at school
patrick looked well out alone walking and talking
the cynic in me thinks kathy was manipulating ben by tells of missing and accepting him as gay to get him on side that she knew he was gay at school
I think you could well be right. It would explain why what she said didn't add up.
xx_Dan_xx
13-10-2015, 17:06
Ian is probably too accepting with what is going on in his life. He's created her as an angel figure in his head so all this business with Bobby, he probably thinks she will make everything ok. Which is complete non-sense, he was ready to commit suicide, the next day its like it never happened. Never mind Ian following Kathy around, it should be the other way round.
maidmarian
13-10-2015, 20:33
Ian is probably too accepting with what is going on in his life. He's created her as an angel figure in his head so all this business with Bobby, he probably thinks she will make everything ok. Which is complete non-sense, he was ready to commit suicide, the next day its like it never happened. Never mind Ian following Kathy around, it should be the other way round.
There is a mental condition called depersonalisation
disorder - where things dont seem.real to those
affected ( amongst others symptoms). It can be
an indication of other mental illnesses .Perhaps
the writers are making Ian like this - because of
his forthcoming break??
Or it might be just bad writing / continuity??
maidmarian
13-10-2015, 20:33
Dupl
roxy is a idiot for dean
donna is a real goer, gagging for it :p she will eat fats alive
wanted kush to lamp dean one
max got a mention only as a murderer by lee though
roxy is a idiot for dean
donna is a real goer, gagging for it :p she will eat fats alive
wanted kush to lamp dean one
max got a mention only as a murderer by lee though
Rear window
13-10-2015, 21:19
I would have liked to see Linda stand up to dean a bit in the pub in tonight's episode.
And shabnam is being a bit creepy.
Rear window
13-10-2015, 21:19
I would have liked to see Linda stand up to dean a bit in the pub in tonight's episode.
And shabnam is being a bit creepy.
storyseeker1
13-10-2015, 21:21
Shabnam: "I just can't help thinking something is going to happen to her (Jade)."
Ever get the feeling that EE has just given us a premonition? :p
Gavin has well and truly brainwashed Kathy, hasn't he? I mean, he's kidnapped Phil, threatened his life, and yet she's making excuses for him! Wake up, Kathy!! When a guy gets mad and shouts, that's when they're not themselves. What Gavin is, is a full blown psycho!
I'm feeling sorry for Ian being so happily oblivious that Kathy's planning to run out on him again. I think you're right MM that Ian's been written like this because he's going to break down completely at some point. He was at rock bottom a couple of days ago and it's not going to take much to send him back there. He seems heavily invested in Kathy making him happy again, whereas we know she's only going to add to his problems. I understand Kathy's worried sick about Phil's safety and is being manipulated by Gavin, but she doesn't seem too worried about her sons' welfare if she disappears again. :searchme:
I like Roxy's new hair cut despite how it came about. I hope she's starting to catch on to Dean's true personality now, although allowing him to change her wardrobe isn't a good sign...
And shabnam is being a bit creepy.
I don't know if you read the interview I recently posted on the Shabnam Masood thread. In it, Rakhee Thakrar mentions that parents of stillborn children often start worrying excessively about their other children's safety after losing their babies. She's desperate to keep Jade safe, plus she's probably longing to bond with her now her maternal feelings have been awoken.
I'm glad to hear that Gavin is very logical because nothing else in this storyline is!
Roxy for Dean's next victim?
Dean's a scumbag, Dean goes for sabotage.. It's like they're deliberately avoiding the use of the word rapist. Elaine and Mick would definitely call him a dirty rapist.
linda should used immortal words get out of my pub to dean
tammyy2j
14-10-2015, 10:38
For once Roxy should stop chasing men and put Amy first
Is Amy still in France?
Dot should try and contact Yvonne to see if Charlie is really with her instead of believing Ronnie's lies
parkerman
14-10-2015, 10:47
Is Amy still in France?
I think Amy is with Denny....:ninja::D
Dean's a scumbag, Dean goes for sabotage.. It's like they're deliberately avoiding the use of the word rapist. Elaine and Mick would definitely call him a dirty rapist.
I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not. I'm sure Mick's called Dean a dirty rapist several times in the past - at least I can clearly hear him say it in my head. :p
Ruffed_lemur
14-10-2015, 19:05
For once Roxy should stop chasing men and put Amy first
Is Amy still in France?
Dot should try and contact Yvonne to see if Charlie is really with her instead of believing Ronnie's lies
If I were Roxy I certainly wouldn't have let Dean loose on my hair!
tammyy2j
15-10-2015, 12:10
If I were Roxy I certainly wouldn't have let Dean loose on my hair!
I like her new cut :o
I enjoyed Donna's scenes tonight. It's good to see life for the physically disabled explored. I hope Fats changes his mind and realises it's only fear that's holding him back.
I noticed lots of surreptitious glances being exchanged between Stacey and Kush...
The incongruous duff duff of Les in his Y-fronts seems to me to add more fuel to the theory that he's a cross-dresser. I paused the scene (only to examine the background I swear http://i2.cdnds.net/13/49/blush.gif), and behind him were lots of bags that looked like they were from ladies' boutiques.
I fear Shabnam spending the day with Jade won't go down well when she's inevitably found out by social services (admittedly for good reason). However, I really want to see them reunited for good. Jade needs someone to love her. :(
tammyy2j
15-10-2015, 23:38
I like Stacey with Martin, that was nice her getting him on the allotments, they are better suited and more chemistry
Jade is a great character and I do like her scenes with Shabham, how does Jade know who Shabham is, did Dean tell her?
I do wonder what foster parents and social workers Jade has that Dean and Shabham has such easy access to her
What a sight of Les in his white underpants, shudders :sick:
Donna for the next pregnancy then? It would be original to see a disabled character pregnant in soap I believe. (CS Izzy had a miscarriage then used a surrogate.)
Worst duff duff EVER! Pass me a bucket.
I cannot stand seeing Stacey on screen these days.
I'm only watching it because I want to see Kathy find out that Bobby killed Lucy. Maybe I'm watching grass grow here...
Ruffed_lemur
16-10-2015, 16:39
I like her new cut :o
It does suit her, but it wasn't her choice. Surprised she trusted him with those scissors too! Just wish she'd stayed mad at him for lopping a chunk of her hair off.
lady les goes by christine
Rear window
17-10-2015, 09:00
lady les goes by christine
That handbag was horrid.
I thought Donna's comforting of Les's wife was nice and the honesty for a change was refreshing - although they have drawn it out at least one more episode.
Shab's with her little girl was sweet - I understand now the story aspect of her wanting to overprotect. It would be nice to see Shabs bring her little girl home - with or without Kush.
Rear window
17-10-2015, 09:00
dup
tammyy2j
18-10-2015, 00:44
Who was Vincent talking to at the tube station?
It does suit her, but it wasn't her choice. Surprised she trusted him with those scissors too! Just wish she'd stayed mad at him for lopping a chunk of her hair off.
roxy should have used scissors on dean's southern region
It does suit her, but it wasn't her choice. Surprised she trusted him with those scissors too! Just wish she'd stayed mad at him for lopping a chunk of her hair off.
roxy should have used scissors on dean's southern region
I expect Pam will meet Christine very soon now.
Cruel of Kathy and Ben to trick Ian into funding her second abandonment of him. :angry:
Shab's with her little girl was sweet - I understand now the story aspect of her wanting to overprotect. It would be nice to see Shabs bring her little girl home - with or without Kush.
Agreed. Shabnam and Jade have wonderful chemistry. :)
Who was Vincent talking to at the tube station?
Rumour is that he's Gavin's henchman. I think that's likely since we know Vincent and Gavin are almost certainly connected.
I wonder what Vincent has planned for Ronnie?
Awww...I'm a bit heartbroken for Les at the moment. No doubt he's been dreading Pam's disgust their whole marriage. :(
I understand it would be a huge shock to find your partner of decades has kept such a pivotal part of themselves a secret (and worse, shared it with another woman). I hope she comes to terms with it and forgives him - for Christine, if not for Claudette. Apparently, Roger Sloman (Les) has said on Twitter that he's been practising with make up etc, so we're going to see Christine. I hope those scenes are done sensitively too, unlike the Y-fronts spectacle! It'd be good to see the revelation's effect on them and their marriage explored in depth.
The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it's not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment. :searchme:
At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought. :wall:
martin to kathy death suits you :p
Rear window
20-10-2015, 09:07
I wanted Pam to say that she wants to meet Christine. If she doesn't try to understand Les and Christine then their marriage is doomed. Maybe she will come round to the idea - perhap Dot has a word with her.
I would have wanted him to stop sharing his secret with Claudette. The sense of betrayal must be huge with both Les and Claudette having colluded to keep this quiet.
And I loved Martin's comment to Kathy.
Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?
Rear window
20-10-2015, 09:07
dup
tammyy2j
20-10-2015, 10:55
Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max :angry:
Kathy's storyline is getting worse as it goes on
maidmarian
20-10-2015, 11:14
The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it'not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment. :searchme:
At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought. :wall:[/QUOTE]
I.agree -I think its because Kathy is very different from
how we remember her and tho we know Gavin is
mentally abusing her -its not really visible yet.
The viewers are being expected to make too many
adjustments and fill.in gaps.
Probably trying to have too many strands to story
without developing them in.enough detail individually!
(imo)!
storyseeker1
20-10-2015, 12:18
I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.
I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.
Ruffed_lemur
21-10-2015, 16:59
I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.
I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.
I agree about Paul being told. Maybe he could help Pam understand?
Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?
It was explained to him although I can't remember precisely what was said. I'm certain he doesn't think Kathy's come back to life.
Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max :angry:
I think Dot forgives Ben because Heather's death was an accident. Presumably Max is thought to have killed Lucy in cold blood since he got twenty years. Also Ben was very young at the time.
I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.
I'm sure she'll tell Paul when she's had a chance to calm down. We've only seen her in shock so far. As Claudette pointed out, Pam will have had to have developed an open mind as a social worker so I don't think the cross-dressing itself will cause long term problems. It's the lies and betrayal that will take time to get over.
tammyy2j
22-10-2015, 21:23
Ian is angry Kathy was going to take his money
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