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tammyy2j
24-03-2015, 00:10
Does Cindy not want Beth now?
And we have another broke person in Eastenders in Martin who now lives in his van
I don't think Tina is very maternal (with Zsa Zsa her own daughter at least) so why is she giving Sonia advice on Chloe/Rebecca again Tina and Sonia as a couple don't work imo
It was good to see Ian and Jane back in last night's episode. After Cindy's lines about not wanting to be a mother, I initially thought that Ian and Jane might end up adopting Beth but I saw someone come up with what I think's a better idea - that they adopt Cindy so that Beth is their legal granddaughter and that they take care of them both. That would give Cindy more security and give Jane some happiness too.
I hate relationship merry-go-round type stories and we had two last night!
The Shabnam and Kush story was the more interesting because I find them both compelling characters and because their story actually moved forward. I still don't understand Shabnam's desperation to marry after such a short time though. I think the actor who plays Kush has proved himself to be a very good actor, especially in the scene where he broke down. I thought his crying was nearly on a par with Adam Woodyatt's!
Sonia and Tina's relationship just went full circle last night, which I find very boring (even though I like the couple).
I felt quite sorry for Martin as it seems he's lost everything. I'm sure he'll be living on the square and working on the fruit and veg stall before long though. Another character going full circle - but this one feels right somehow.
jane taking over too much with cindy's baby
parkerman
24-03-2015, 23:04
So who paid Alfie for his day's work? Did Aleks pay him out if his own pocket?
And who was that boy in Sharon's house? I'm sure I recognised him from somewhere. :p:hmm:
flappinfanny
25-03-2015, 00:08
So who paid Alfie for his day's work? Did Aleks pay him out if his own pocket?
And who was that boy in Sharon's house? I'm sure I recognised him from somewhere. :p:hmm:
I think he had been let out of the cupboard.
Tuesday's EastEnders with all the talk of incest seemed a bit like a grubby version of Brookside.
So who paid Alfie for his day's work? Did Aleks pay him out if his own pocket?
And who was that boy in Sharon's house? I'm sure I recognised him from somewhere. :p:hmm:
yes as aleks really likes alfie :p
denny got a hair cut but more needs to come off
jane will want to adopt beth
So who paid Alfie for his day's work? Did Aleks pay him out if his own pocket?
And who was that boy in Sharon's house? I'm sure I recognised him from somewhere. :p:hmm:
yes as aleks really likes alfie :p
denny got a hair cut but more needs to come off
jane will want to adopt beth
parkerman
25-03-2015, 07:42
yes as aleks really likes alfie :p
Exactly! But that job is a Council job and there is no way Alfie could have gone through the Council's bureaucratic recruitment process in ten minutes, been given a job (and a uniform) and placed on the pay roll.
Tuesday's EastEnders with all the talk of incest seemed a bit like a grubby version of Brookside.
Hardly! :p Incest has been ruled out now though, thankfully. I'm very intrigued as to who Sharon's real father is/was.
Ughhh...hints about Alfie and the lottery. :thumbsdow I'm hoping he won't last long on the fruit and veg stall as that's Martin's rightful place.
I'm glad Masood brought up the unpalatable truth that Shabnam will likely be judged by many of her fellow Muslims for her relationship far more harshly than Kush will.
I'm guessing baby Beth won't be alone in the park for long. I'm a bit confused at the moment as to whether Cindy really wants her or not. She seems to prevaricate between loving her and being jealous of her bond with Jane, and not wanting to be her mother at all. I don't think she knows herself.
tammyy2j
25-03-2015, 15:28
Cindy was managing and bonding fine with baby Beth before Ian and Jane took her away in holiday and now all of a sudden she don't want her
ian and jane care more for beth that they do for cindy
parkerman
26-03-2015, 22:19
Go Roxy!:cheer:
flappinfanny
27-03-2015, 00:25
The Essex girl done good. :D
alfie should be a pi or spy
ian and jane care more for beth that they do for cindy
I think it's more that they didn't realise Cindy was struggling. A bit insensitive of them, but to be fair she's hidden it well up until now.
Will Jane and Ian adopt Beth is the question? I'm positive the baby won't be leaving Albert Square whatever happens.
It seems to me the path that took Sharon to suspecting Pete is her father was too smooth, so I have my doubts that he was (despite him being my first choice). I'd like it if Sharon and Ian were siblings though.
Poor Dot was very depressed. It seems like she's given up - voluntarily. I suppose overwhelming guilt will do that to you. :(
I thoroughly enjoyed Roxy punching that bully! :D
Very compelling episode with some beautiful, nostalgic scenes between Sharon and Ian. They work so well together, and I'm convinced now that they're siblings. It was a bit too convenient that one of the samples was corrupted (I half expected Ian to admit he'd done it on purpose) and Lou couldn't stop an adoption she didn't know anything about. Pete would have been seeing Sharon's real mum secretly because he was cheating on Kathy (I think). That's how I hope things will play out anyway, but we're obviously going to follow a torturous route to get there... :wall: (I love it really!)
EE got in first with the child violence storyline (Corrie fans will know what I'm referring to)! I don't think anyone will complain that's it's unrealistic for Denny to be violent towards his mum. :p
WTF did Alfie give his job to Martin for? No, you didn't do a good thing Alfie because your first priority should be supporting your kids, not helping out an occasional mate! I hope Kat's got plenty to say about that (and for once I'm looking forward to hearing her screeching)!!! :D
Still, I'd much rather see Martin on the stall than listen to Alfie's cheeky chappy spiel. :thumbsdow
I'm growing to love Donna's acerbic wit more and more. :D
donna's bluntness in asking the tough questions and telling it how it is no punches pulled is refreshing and funny
flappinfanny
28-03-2015, 18:50
Nice scenes with Sharon and Ian, an excellent script by Sarah Phelps.
parkerman
28-03-2015, 20:46
Lou couldn't stop an adoption she didn't know anything about. Pete would have been seeing Sharon's real mum secretly because he was cheating on Kathy (I think).
That seemed such a staringly obvious explanation that the rest of that scene didn't really make much sense.
That seemed such a staringly obvious explanation that the rest of that scene didn't really make much sense.
I totally agree! It didn't make sense, so the way I explained it to myself whilst watching was that Ian was trying to convince himself just as much as Sharon because he couldn't bear to think of his father cheating (which is why I said in my previous post that I half suspected that he'd sabotaged his DNA sample). Ian's in denial of the possibility and seems to have convinced Sharon too (for the time being).
maidmarian
29-03-2015, 13:29
I totally agree! It didn't make sense, so the way I explained it to myself whilst watching was that Ian was trying to convince himself just as much as Sharon because he couldn't bear to think of his father cheating (which is why I said in my previous post that I half suspected that he'd sabotaged his DNA sample). Ian's in denial of the possibility and seems to have convinced Sharon too (for the time being).
Do we know Sharons and Ians dates of births/
ages.I tried to find the info a while ago when
I first thought Pete might be the father-but
couldnt.Perhaps dont give info anymore as
it makes retcons easier.
I remember Ian Sharon&Michelle were all
teenagers and at school when EE started
and thought Michelle eldest??
The thing that made me think Pete not likely
was it would prob mean affair when married
to Kathy. With his previous wife yes- more
doubtful with Kathy.
As story progresses -Pete does seem.most
likely?
maidmarian
29-03-2015, 13:36
The Essex girl done good. :D
Ive been puzzling since photo shown!
Counting from the left as u look down
at the pic - can u please say who are
numbers 3 6 &7
thanks v much
parkerman
29-03-2015, 14:35
Do we know Sharons and Ians dates of births/
ages?
According to Wiki, Ian was 15 when EE started and Sharon was 14.
parkerman
29-03-2015, 14:38
P.S. Michelle was also 15 when EE started.
flappinfanny
29-03-2015, 23:53
Ive been puzzling since photo shown!
Counting from the left as u look down
at the pic - can u please say who are
numbers 3 6 &7
thanks v much
3 was Debbie Wilkins who's boyfriend was Andy o'Brien
6 was Lou Beale (Ian's gran)
7 was Sue Osman (married to Ali) who used to run the caf.
(I am showing my age. :)
maidmarian
30-03-2015, 00:07
3 was Debbie Wilkins who's boyfriend was Andy o'Brien
6 was Lou Beale (Ian's gran)
7 was Sue Osman (married to Ali) who used to run the caf.
(I am showing my age. :)
thanks very much for info. Dont remember
Debbie but did think it was Lou and probably
Sue.
Now Im not sure about No .8 can you help
please.
Thanks again
flappinfanny
30-03-2015, 00:52
Kathy. (Ian's mum) Who will be rising from the dead soon. :)
flappinfanny
30-03-2015, 23:25
Jessie Wallace amazing tonight. Very raw.
The only downside for me was Phil. A Tough nut? my eye! Sean Tully from Coronation Street is more menacing. In the real world he would get a good slap! Why does Billy know about Kaff?
Very believable scenes from Jessie tonight, I could really feel her pain. What were Mo, Stacey and Alfie thinking???!!!! :wall:
Alfie really is a little sh*t! I hate him more than I do Phil because the writers appear to think we love him and are on his side. Phil is a thug and a bully, but at least he's written as such. Alfie's supposed to be this well-meaning chancer who sometimes makes bad decisions, but all I see is a selfish narcissist who always makes everything about himself and goes to great lengths to portray himself in the best possible light. He only confessed about the money because he was caught out...
Did anyone catch what Ben was looking at on his phone? He was looking at a site called Crusadr, which I assume is EastEnders' version of Grindr (the gay hook-up app)! :rotfl: So much for Ben and Abi being serious... :nono:
Sharon needs to lay down the law and stop Phil treating her like dirt. He puts her down and undermines her at every turn. I know it's in character that he treats his women that way, but Sharon needs to show that she won't put up with it if the writers want us to take the couple seriously.
I really like that Max isn't scared of Phil so I hope he doesn't cave at the first hurdle. Phil's bluffing, but does Max know that?
According to Wiki, Ian was 15 when EE started and Sharon was 14.
Which gives credence to my suspicion that Ian's in denial about the possibility of his father having an affair. If it did happen, Kathy would have been pregnant or Ian a small baby when Peter cheated, which no child would be happy to discover.
tammyy2j
31-03-2015, 22:32
Anyone else feel an episode was missing between Thursday and Friday's last week so much happened off screen for my liking
I hate the family comes first etc., motto of the Mitchells and why did Sharon take back the money that Phil gave out from Grant especially as Lola and Billy could do with it :angry: Charlie's father and mother land Phil in jail and Charlie is invited to the family lunch oh wait I forgot now he is family as he married Ronnie and slept with Roxy
I hope Cora and Stan get married for what time he has left
When did Alfie and Martin become such good mates, Alfie needs to put his own family first
I prefer Kat on her own away from Alfie, too much has gone on with them to salvage and repair their relationship imo
Sharon needs a hair cut and to get rid of those extensions
Abi is becoming my favourite character lately love her lines but she is deluded with Ben, he online looking at guys
flappinfanny
31-03-2015, 23:21
Ann Mitchell was absoulately amazing. Heart breaking stuff, when she broke down. Timothy West and Ann are just a class act. Continuing drama at its best. I suppose it was worth all the pap we have had to put up with recently to have such a powerful episode as this.
parkerman
01-04-2015, 00:27
why did Sharon take back the money that Phil gave out from Grant especially as Lola and Billy could do with it :angry:
Because it didn't actually come from Grant.
tammyy2j
01-04-2015, 00:29
Because it didn't actually come from Grant.
Still why did she take it back?
maidmarian
01-04-2015, 01:19
Ann Mitchell was absoulately amazing. Heart breaking stuff, when she broke down. Timothy West and Ann are just a class act. Continuing drama at its best. I suppose it was worth all the pap we have had to put up with recently to have such a powerful episode as this.
I was pleased when they said Ann Mitchell
was joining EE but then disappointed at her
early storylines. Glad that this has improved
recently as she is a very good actress.
I wonder what will happen to the character
now. Dont think she will be assimilated into
Carters and not many Brannings left now
and they are mainly in-laws apart from Abi.
Shame she wasnt cast as Peggy Mitchell years
ago- tho probably not old enough to be Phils
mum and she probably preferred theatre
work at the time.!
maidmarian
01-04-2015, 01:19
Dupl
parkerman
01-04-2015, 08:37
Still why did she take it back?
Because she thought it came from some dodgy dealing.
tammyy2j
01-04-2015, 21:03
Because she thought it came from some dodgy dealing.
She was happy to use dodgy cash to buy her bar, The Albert
Maybe Sharon is keeping all the cash for herself
I've just watched Tuesday's episode and found it pretty harrowing, what with Stan dying and Kat in such a mess. The Stan storyline is worse for me because I watched both my grandmother and grandfather die in quick succession a few years ago. It's a terrible thing to see a loved-one suffer like that. :(
I'm really glad that Max didn't give into Phil after all!
Maybe Sharon is keeping all the cash for herself
Not at all. I don't think she minds so much that the money's dodgy but that she has no idea what Phil did to get it. It's his lies that are making her angry - she said herself she doesn't want to be a gangster's moll. I think it's a case of degree of illegality that she's worried about. She has no idea if the money came from a fairly harmless scam or something really nasty.
Jessie Wallace
02-04-2015, 22:20
Tonight's episode of two halves. Phil and Ben scenes yawn! Kat scenes however almost made my hard heart cry! Jessie Wallace at her best.
tammyy2j
02-04-2015, 22:23
Tonight's episode of two halves. Phil and Ben scenes yawn! Kat scenes however almost made my hard heart cry! Jessie Wallace at her best.
My heart was breaking for Tommy
Phil the bully again but this time with his son Ben
Jessie Wallace
02-04-2015, 22:44
My heart was breaking for Tommy
Phil the bully again but this time with his son Ben
Aww little Tommy, not sure I can watch tomorrows episode. Phil is just evil, I don't understand why someone would be like that with theiir own child.
Jessie Wallace
02-04-2015, 22:44
My heart was breaking for Tommy
Phil the bully again but this time with his son Ben
Aww little Tommy, not sure I can watch tomorrows episode. Phil is just evil, I don't understand why someone would be like that with theiir own child.
parkerman
03-04-2015, 00:14
Where were the twins?
Interesting to hear Mo say that Winston had told her about Kat in the Mini Mart...
Aww little Tommy, not sure I can watch tomorrows episode. Phil is just evil, I don't understand why someone would be like that with theiir own child.
Kat's pain has been heart-rending these last couple of episodes. Adding Tommy being so damaged by events and I'm finding it very sad. Not sure I can watch tonight's episode either so I might give it a miss. High praise to Jessie and the writers for their portrayal of the continuing effects of child abuse on Kat and her family though.
When Max initially conned Ben I remember saying that I couldn't wait for Phil to find out to wipe the smug expression off Ben's face (this is back when Ben was lording it over Sharon about the power of attorney). I take it all back now! Phil managed to successfully manipulate Ben into believing Max was to blame for Phil's nastiness. :thumbsdow
I loved Max's smirk when he caught Phil and Ben giving him the evils. I'd really like Max to win this one.
Why the hell is Sharon still in that house? Does she want her own son to be on the receiving end of Phil's temper?
Agree , breaks your heart to see Tommy in such a state, seeing him refusing to remove his facemask adds to the impact of the scenes. Alfie gets more annoying every episode, laughing boy really needs a good shake to wake him up from his pathetic inactivity.
flappinfanny
03-04-2015, 19:03
I was pleased when they said Ann Mitchell
was joining EE but then disappointed at her
early storylines. Glad that this has improved
recently as she is a very good actress.
I wonder what will happen to the character
now. Dont think she will be assimilated into
Carters and not many Brannings left now
and they are mainly in-laws apart from Abi.
Shame she wasnt cast as Peggy Mitchell years
ago- tho probably not old enough to be Phils
mum and she probably preferred theatre
work at the time.!
Ann Would have been perfect in the role.
flappinfanny
03-04-2015, 19:06
Phil is a dreadful parent, no wonder Ben went from Billy Elliot to Norman Bates. Who would want to be part of that family?
Jessie Wallace was superb again. Her performance is very raw.
Jessie Wallace was superb again. Her performance is very raw.
What gets me about yesterday's episode was that Mo, Stacey and Alfie all encouraged Kat to open up about her feelings, but when she did their reaction was to sit there looking uncomfortable! What about a bit of reassurance or offers to help/get her help, guys?? :searchme:
dean and buster back, jessie is playing a blinder with this storyline as kat
tammyy2j
07-04-2015, 00:20
Was it Shirley who called the police on Dean as Mick seems too obvious
kayuqtuq
07-04-2015, 09:35
I think it was Shirley, although at first I thought it might have been Nancy or Lee.
flappinfanny
07-04-2015, 23:47
I did enjoy the episode. Karl Buster Howman's acting was from the Dick Van Dyke Academy of Dramatic Art but funny for all the wrong reasons. The Cora and Stan scenes were excellent. Ann and Timothy were superb as always. I thought Tina was rather good also. I think in the real world both Mick and Lee could have beat Buster to a pulp. Buster is a poor mans Phillip Mitchell.
parkerman
08-04-2015, 06:34
I don't understand why both "fathers" should so vehemently take Dean's side over Mick's, when previous history would show who is likely to be the more reliable and which the more likely to be lying.
I haven't watched EastEnders since Thursday and, despite being an avid fan recently, I'm not feeling any desire to see it at the moment.
I initially stopped because I didn't want to watch Kat's suicide attempt (far too close to home and painful for me). I also have no inclination to see Alfie playing her hero after his arson and recent unlikable characterisation. After all, his reprehensible actions are a big part of the reason Kat's been in such a state! :angry:
Now I've read Dean (who makes my skin crawl) is back andalthough I've read he goes to prison for a while, I've read nothing about him leaving the show permanently and getting a satisfying comeuppance for the rape. :thumbsdow
Also there's Shirley, whose vindictiveness towards Linda keeps being forgiven at the drop off a hat...
Stan's prolonged death brings back too many memories of my grandparents' recent deaths. :(
So, all in all, I'm finding little motivation to watch EE at the moment, despite really enjoying it for the last year or so. It's a perfect storm of storylines I don't want to see at the moment. I think I'll have to read the spoilers and look out for an episode I'll enjoy (something featuring the Beales or Mitchells heavily would be good. I like the Carters but want this rape storyline concluded now.)
I don't understand why both "fathers" should so vehemently take Dean's side over Mick's, when previous history would show who is likely to be the more reliable and which the more likely to be lying.
I that Mick and Buster took a dislike to each other when they first met (before they even knew they were related). Didn't Mick even punch Buster? The latter may have taken the side of the son he likes, which is bad (but not as bad as Shirley's behaviour in my opinion).
Your comment doesn't increase my desire to watch EE as I've really had enough of the victim blaming Linda's been on the receiving end of! :angry:
I don't understand why both "fathers" should so vehemently take Dean's side over Mick's, when previous history would show who is likely to be the more reliable and which the more likely to be lying.
be good if dean confessed to stan before he died but stan wouldn't care maybe have cora overhear
is buster staying around to take mick's money, he changed his mind when lee and nancy were at cashpoint
I don't understand why both "fathers" should so vehemently take Dean's side over Mick's, when previous history would show who is likely to be the more reliable and which the more likely to be lying.
be good if dean confessed to stan before he died but stan wouldn't care maybe have cora overhear
is buster staying around to take mick's money, he changed his mind when lee and nancy were at cashpoint
tammyy2j
08-04-2015, 15:34
Is Buster also Carly's father?
I hate how Kevin seems to be forgotten, he was Dean's dad despite not being his birth father
Shirley needs to stay strong for all her family including Mick and Tina
xx_Dan_xx
08-04-2015, 19:30
Is Buster also Carly's father?
I hate how Kevin seems to be forgotten, he was Dean's dad despite not being his birth father
Shirley needs to stay strong for all her family including Mick and Tina
Aparently Carly's father was from a one-night stand with someone called Daniel.
did shirley help stan die
parkerman
10-04-2015, 23:15
I don't think he needed much help!
the death was acted great hard to watch im sure everyone has experienced a similar bereavement
tammyy2j
12-04-2015, 22:01
As much as I liked Stan who was played brilliantly by Timothy West I feel his death is overshadowing Jim's death and Jim was a bigger part of the show and deserves a better send off
I would have liked to see one shot of heartbroken Dot in prison as the end scene for Friday's episode
Karin seems genuinely attracted to Max she might double cross Phil
flappinfanny
13-04-2015, 00:17
EastEnders really got it spot on this Friday. I would have given the episode 10 if there had been less sonia, no Buster and Denise Van Doo dah, so I gave it a 9.
Superb performances from Linda, Danny and Timothy and all the Carters. For me the stand out performance was Lindsey. The ending was perfect.
Since the anniversary EastEnders has been patchy. EastEnders is like the childrens nursery Rhyme. When it is good, it is very very good, when it is bad it is horrid. Friday was very very good.
flappinfanny
13-04-2015, 23:49
That was a long 27 minutes tonight. I was not overly impressed. I can't really think of anything positive to say about any of it. Apart fromm the scene with Patrick. I am disliking Sonia by the episode. I was basically under whelmed sadly. :(
why didn't shirley call when stan died
tammyy2j
14-04-2015, 16:06
Again it seemed all about Stan, poor Jim rarely mentioned
I liked the scene between Carol and Patrick
Why didn't Mick, Tina or Shirley let Cora know, she was Stan's "wife", I can understand her upset
Alek's wife learnt English fast
charlie wants ronnie to just die so he can get with roxy i think
charlie wants ronnie to just die so he can get with roxy i think
Charlie's character has been downgraded from an enigmatic and charming anti-hero to a typical soap wimp who thinks with his d*ck… :thumbsdow
I really hope Roxy keeps her word about staying away from Charlie. I like the actress and she's been woefully underused the past few years but this love triangle storyline is doing the character favours. I hope Ronnie wreaks a suitable revenge on both of them when she's recovered.
I was really shocked at the duff duff (when Aleks accused Roxy of sleeping with Charlie). I knew he was going to find out but I really want expecting it at that moment. Kristian Kiehling is such a good actor. Aleks' whole demeanour instantly changed when he made the accusation. It's a pity we're losing him soon. :(
Why have they made Buster so unlikeable? He was great in the couple of episodes he appeared in several months ago and I was looking forward to his return. I'm not enjoying him now at all though. The last thing we need in EE at the moment is another bully.
Why are people surprised that Mick's so angry about Shirley and Buster supporting Dean? I think his attitude is entirely realistic.
I am disliking Sonia by the episode.
I like Sonia and her relationship with Tina. :p
does charlie live at roxy's house as he has a key
Bored of the Roxy Charlie Ronnie triangle, here we go again, Ronnie pulls a man she loves/loves her ... then Roxy beds him (Roxy Jack Ronnie re-run)!
parkerman
18-04-2015, 00:08
So Tamwar gets the job of market inspector. Nice to see the scriptwriters have a real grasp of how Councils work when filling vacancies!
So Tamwar gets the job of market inspector. Nice to see the scriptwriters have a real grasp of how Councils work when filling vacancies!
be happy it wasn't alfie
So Tamwar gets the job of market inspector. Nice to see the scriptwriters have a real grasp of how Councils work when filling vacancies!
be happy it wasn't alfie
So Tamwar gets the job of market inspector. Nice to see the scriptwriters have a real grasp of how Councils work when filling vacancies!
He's only acting market inspector at the moment. :)
Charlie appears to have mislaid his conscience! First of all he demands that he and Roxy traumatise his sick and vulnerable wife by telling her they're running off together, and then he changes his mind and ruthlessly cuts Roxy out of their lives. OK, he's always had an ambiguous sense of morality but he used to be likeable and was depicted as a nice guy underneath. At least the writers are acknowledging his callousness by having Dot compare him to her loser husband. :thumbsdow
The Carter ceasefire didn't last long... :wall:
parkerman
18-04-2015, 14:47
He's only acting market inspector at the moment. :)
Is he? Where did you get that from?
[QUOTE=parkerman;820643]Is he? Where did you get that from?[/QUOTE
As I understand Tamwar said to Donna that he was covering the Inspectors role until the council appoint someone. The whole situation with Aleks so unrealistic a timescale from Tamwar discovering the fraud to dismissal by the council ,no wonder it creates confusion.
parkerman
18-04-2015, 17:21
As I understand Tamwar said to Donna that he was covering the Inspectors role until the council appoint someone. The whole situation with Aleks so unrealistic a timescale from Tamwar discovering the fraud to dismissal by the council ,no wonder it creates confusion.
I thought he said that before Nancy phone the Council and he got an interview. I thought when he came back from the interview he told Donna he had now been appointed the new market inspector. I'll have to have a look on Catch Up.
Is he? Where did you get that from?
It was on his ID card. See here at 23:39:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScwH0Pq-e18
Correct Dazzle ,Tamwar was showing his new Acting Market Inspector ID card to Donna ,because she'd been teasing him earlier about Aleks leaving. Occurred only a couple of minutes before the credits roll.
tammyy2j
20-04-2015, 21:47
Ian, Sharon and Phil should be going to Jim's funeral actually most from the Square should be at Jim's funeral
I enjoy the Dot prison scenes especially of her and Cora
parkerman
21-04-2015, 08:21
Ian, Sharon and Phil should be going to Jim's funeral actually most from the Square should be at Jim's funeral
I enjoy the Dot prison scenes especially of her and Cora
Perhaps they're going to both. Go to Stan's and then wait for Jim's. Two for the price of one.
sharon old bailey hair all talk on social media :p
tammyy2j
22-04-2015, 14:20
I think Ronnie knows about Roxy and Charlie
Dot with the hat and Jim's coffin was so touching but I still felt Stan's funeral is overshadowing Jim's
What does Cora know about Aunt Babe and is Cora leaving for good?
Powerful and impressive scene between Dot and Cora on Monday. It was a psychological clash of the titans and felt like old school EastEnders. It's unusual to have such an extended, uninterrupted scene but it worked beautifully.
Just as I think Shirley can't sink any lower the writers manage to find a way. The way she and the other two waited spitefully to confront the family after the funeral (in their own home no less) was appalling. How can the character be redeemed after this? I really hate how low a once-favourite character's sunk. :thumbsdow
FFS when are we going to be rid of Dean? It's beyond a joke that we keep having to suffer his presence! :angry:
I really loved that Jim (in his coffin) got Tuesday's duff duffs! It's nice to see he's getting a proper East End funeral with the horse and cart. :clap:
Dot with the hat and Jim's coffin was so touching but I still felt Stan's funeral is overshadowing Jim's
Hopefully Thursday's episode (and perhaps Friday's too) will be all about Jim's funeral.
parkerman
22-04-2015, 17:10
I really loved that Jim (in his coffin) got Tuesday's duff duffs! It's nice to see he's getting a proper East End funeral with the horse and cart. :clap:
Who's paying for Jim's funeral? Who decided on the horse and cart seeing that all his kids hated him?
tammyy2j
22-04-2015, 17:12
Who's paying for Jim's funeral? Who decided on the horse and cart seeing that all his kids hated him?
I think Max
I assume all his children will contribute if they have the cash
Jack was his favourite and he always seemed in the money
Who's paying for Jim's funeral? Who decided on the horse and cart seeing that all his kids hated him?
Max told Carol he'd pay for the funeral but you've got a very good point about the horse and cart. Why would Max, who's repeatedly said how much he hated Jim, pay for the horse drawn hearse? Jack couldn't even be bothered to turn up so why would he fork out?
roxy honest and confessing that is new
Max told Carol he'd pay for the funeral but you've got a very good point about the horse and cart. Why would Max, who's repeatedly said how much he hated Jim, pay for the horse drawn hearse? Jack couldn't even be bothered to turn up so why would he fork out?
Despite everything, Jim was his dad and maybe that paying for the horse drawn hearse makes him feel better for having all that resentment towards Jim???
Max told Carol he'd pay for the funeral but you've got a very good point about the horse and cart. Why would Max, who's repeatedly said how much he hated Jim, pay for the horse drawn hearse? Jack couldn't even be bothered to turn up so why would he fork out?
Despite everything, Jim was his dad and maybe that paying for the horse drawn hearse makes him feel better for having all that resentment towards Jim???
parkerman
24-04-2015, 11:13
Aaah! Poor little Dean, I feel really sorry for him. :angry::angry::angry:
tammyy2j
24-04-2015, 14:35
Shirley's feud with Mick is stupid
Linda's rape seems to be taking a back seat to Stan's demise and now Shirley and Mick's feud, I hope she gets justice soon
It is a shame no more of Jim's kids and grandkids would return for one episode at least for his funeral
Where is Cora going if Tanya isn't at home?
Dot was great as usual
I enjoyed Jim's funeral, though it was rather low key. There didn't even seem to have been a wake! Sonia abruptly standing up and starting to sing was a bit of a WTF moment, but it ended up being rather a moving tribute to Jim (and John)! :crying:
roxy honest and confessing that is new
I'm very glad the irritating love triangle of Ronnie/Roxy/Charlie is at an end, but why did Roxy confess after begging Charlie not to (and rightly so as it's a supremely selfish act). Hopefully, Ronnie already knows so it won't come as a shock.
Despite everything, Jim was his dad and maybe that paying for the horse drawn hearse makes him feel better for having all that resentment towards Jim???
I think you must be right about Max's motivation! Carol did suss in last night's episode that Max didn't hate Jim as much as he was letting on.
Aaah! Poor little Dean, I feel really sorry for him. :angry::angry::angry:
He doesn't seem to have cottoned onto the fact that he was in prison for rape because he chose to commit the crime in the first place. I'm certainly not feeling sorry for the little
creep. :thumbsdow
Shirley's feud with Mick is stupid
Linda's rape seems to be taking a back seat to Stan's demise and now Shirley and Mick's feud, I hope she gets justice soon
Matt di Angelo is apparently still filming so Dean's not going any time soon. :angry:
I'm so fed up with this storyline and want an end to it and for Linda to get the justice she deserves.
I do get the writers' intentions with this storyline - how a rape within a once happy family tears it apart. It sounds good on paper, but seeing smug Dean and Shirley constantly harassing poor Linda and her family does NOT make for entertaining viewing. Maybe it would have been OK if it hadn't been strung out for so long.
Shirley doing some heavy-duty DIY in the Vic whilst it was filled with customers was just ridiculous! :wall:
Where is Cora going if Tanya isn't at home?
I think she's just hoping Tanya will be home when she arrives.
It looks like Cora isn't gone for good since Tanya doesn't even know she has an impending addition to her household. I'm glad. :)
ronnie planning revenge for charlie me thinks
tammyy2j
24-04-2015, 22:00
Shirley needs to start being a good decent mum to Mick too, it is all about Dean with her
I wonder will Roxy stay away from Charlie now and really choose her sister Ronnie
What did Aunt Babe do in Ramsgate?
Shirley needs to start being a good decent mum to Mick too, it is all about Dean with her
I wonder will Roxy stay away from Charlie now and really choose her sister Ronnie
What did Aunt Babe do in Ramsgate?
her and heather's mama performing illegal abortions i think
Shirley needs to start being a good decent mum to Mick too, it is all about Dean with her
I wonder will Roxy stay away from Charlie now and really choose her sister Ronnie
What did Aunt Babe do in Ramsgate?
her and heather's mama performing illegal abortions i think
I loved Ronnie's "Don't tell him I know" at the end of Friday's episode. Deliciously sinister! I don't understand how she can forgive Roxy (for her second such transgression no less) but not Charlie though. :searchme:
Babe and Sylvie's scenes were riveting. Whatever could Babe have been up to in Ramsgate with Queenie? I couldn't help but laugh at Babe's line "He's on the mantelpiece now" about Stan. It was so hilariously callous! :D
How did no one at the nursing home hear the ruckus Babe and Sylvie were making?
It looks like Kim's going to get a visit from Vincent soon. :eek:
I really enjoyed that episode. Even Shirley was bearable (though I wouldn't go as far as to say sympathetic). Did anyone notice the sister theme of the episode (I didn't :o)?
her and heather's mama performing illegal abortions i think
I don't know about that. It sounds like whatever they did happened specifically in Ramsgate (and I thought they only stayed there while Shirley was pregnant). If they were illegal abortionists they'd have been doing it wherever they lived surely? Anyway abortion was legal in Britain when Mick was born.
Also why would the police be interested in that all these years later (unless they killed somone I suppose)?
carter refugee camp gotta love kim :p
why is tina now living at denise's place too?
max losing his suit his lady Karen as well as his businesses
carter refugee camp gotta love kim :p
why is tina now living at denise's place too?
max losing his suit his lady Karen as well as his businesses
carter refugee camp gotta love kim :p
Kim was brilliant last night. I used to detest her and definitely didn't find her funny, but she's been a revelation since her return. I really enjoy both the funny and dramatic sides of her now.
Baby Pearl is very cute though she looked older than 2 months in that pushchair (especially since she was premature).
why is tina now living at denise's place too?
She decided Shirley needed her support more than Mick does... :searchme:
max losing his suit his lady Karen as well as his businesses
Max is a complete idiot trusting that Phil - the man he so recently conned and who swore revenge - would help him!
tammyy2j
28-04-2015, 14:10
Yes Kim was great
Don't be a bringer downer
Kim was brilliant last night. I used to detest her and definitely didn't find her funny, but she's been a revelation since her return. I really enjoy both the funny and dramatic sides of her now.
Baby Pearl is very cute though she looked older than 2 months in that pushchair (especially since she was premature).
She decided Shirley needed her support more than Mick does... :searchme:
Max is a complete idiot trusting that Phil - the man he so recently conned and who swore revenge - would help him!
yes did max really think phil would help him for nothing in return
Kim was brilliant last night. I used to detest her and definitely didn't find her funny, but she's been a revelation since her return. I really enjoy both the funny and dramatic sides of her now.
Baby Pearl is very cute though she looked older than 2 months in that pushchair (especially since she was premature).
She decided Shirley needed her support more than Mick does... :searchme:
Max is a complete idiot trusting that Phil - the man he so recently conned and who swore revenge - would help him!
yes did max really think phil would help him for nothing in return
dot will be unhappy with charlie for turning on max too as charlie did start the revenge plan on phil firstly
karen is a school pal of sam thinking a real relative of kathy or sharon
dot will be unhappy with charlie for turning on max too as charlie did start the revenge plan on phil firstly
karen is a school pal of sam thinking a real relative of kathy or sharon
What a pig Max Branning is - and what a hypocrite! They don't come any easier than him after all. Kat's got the excuse of the trauma of her abuse for her promiscuity. What excuse has Max got other than he's a sleaze? :angry:
I'm glad Phil managed to con him now (although I think it was waaay out of character for Max to be so easily fooled). I was very surprised Charlie was in on it. Last thing I remember was that he and Phil disliked each other so why is he working with him now? (I can't even remember Charlie starting the revenge plan Liz.)
So Babe's game is to insinuate herself into Mick's family? She'll probably be living at the Vic before long. It looks like she set up the brick through the window to try to persuade Dean to leave. Let's hope it works! :clap:
charlie told max it was phil who caused the accident they should get revenge something along those lines but charlie did tell max it was nick really when he found out
charlie told max it was phil who caused the accident they should get revenge something along those lines but charlie did tell max it was nick really when he found out
Thanks. :)
I do vaguely recall something along those lines now you mention it, which makes Charlie's self-righteous attitude in last night's episode even more inexplicable. :searchme:
maidmarian
29-04-2015, 18:18
What a pig Max Branning is - and what a hypocrite! They don't come any easier than him after all. Kat's got the excuse of the trauma of her abuse for her promiscuity. What excuse has Max got other than he's a sleaze? :angry:
I'm glad Phil managed to con him now (although I think it was waaay out of character for Max to be so easily fooled). I was very surprised Charlie was in on it. Last thing I remember was that he and Phil disliked each other so why is he working with him now? (I can't even remember Charlie starting the revenge plan Liz.)
So Babe's game is to insinuate herself into Mick's family? She'll probably be living at the Vic before long. It looks like she set up the brick through the window to try to persuade Dean to leave. Let's hope it works! :clap:
wasnt Max buried alive in a coffin by Jim?.
I dont make excuses for Max -but it wouldn't
make for a pleasant personality-having a parent
treat u like that.
Agreed- sooner Dean goes the better. Being
drawn out far too long. Still hoping there is
some justice tho-even if not legal!
maidmarian
29-04-2015, 18:18
Dupl
wasnt Max buried alive in a coffin by Jim?.
I dont make excuses for Max -but it wouldn't
make for a pleasant personality-having a parent
treat u like that.
I get what you're saying about Max, and his history does indeed explain (but not excuse) some of his bad behaviour.
I was talking specifically about sexual behaviour in my last post and especially Max's vile attitude that Kat would sleep with him because she "never says no". Everyone (including Max) knows that Kat is that way because the abuse made her feel like a "dirty girl" who deserves nothing better than to be used by men, so Max's comment was disgusting, inexcusable and hypocritical in my opinion! :angry:
He's the most promiscuous character on the square and there's nothing in his history to explain or excuse the way he treats and uses women. Remember the way he treated Vanessa and Kirsty? What a pig! :thumbsdow
maidmarian
29-04-2015, 19:10
I get what you're saying about Max, and his history does indeed explain (but not excuse) some of his bad behaviour.
I was talking specifically about sexual behaviour in my last post and especially Max's vile attitude that Kat would sleep with him because she "never says no". Everyone (including Max) knows that Kat is that way because the abuse made her feel like a "dirty girl" who deserves nothing better than to be used by men, so Max's comment was disgusting, inexcusable and hypocritical in my opinion! :angry:
He's the most promiscuous character on the square and there's nothing in his history to explain or excuse the way he treats and uses women. Remember the way he treated Vanessa and Kirsty? What a pig! :thumbsdow
I agree that this sexual behaviour is inexcusable
and hypocritical but typical of a certain type.
I did wonder if his excessive language etc Kat-
is part of the get Kat & Alfie back together story-
by making Alfile more acceptable by not being
as bad as someone else!
But some of the women will know how he has
treated others - but that is part of soap wisdom
- female characters too dim & desparate to see
the obvious or think it could apply to them.
I dont think Max values people at all in any way.
Especially women. Perhaps another inherited trait !
or learned behaviour!
Jim treated his first wife and daughter appallingly
before he was morphed into "lovely old codger"
His racist and general rant in the church at Carols
wedding to Alan Jackson is etched in my soap
memory!
As for Max being a babe magnet ..... Words almost
fail but not appropriate for a respectable forum
maidmarian
29-04-2015, 19:10
Dupl
I totally agree with your post, especially:
As for Max being a babe magnet ..... Words almost
fail but not appropriate for a respectable forum
:rotfl:
tammyy2j
29-04-2015, 20:45
Charlie has becoming really unlikeable
I wonder what Babe wants? She does want to control all the Carters
After Kat went with Derek, I think Max thought for sure she would do him too, I do find Max and Kat together interesting as a couple :p
parkerman
29-04-2015, 23:00
I'm sorry but I am now officially bored to tears with the whole Mick/Shirley/Dean story. It just goes round and round in circles. And as for Tina's role in it, how can she possibly side with Shirley and expect Mick to be reconciled with her? It makes a very boring story completely nonsensical as well.
Someone please castrate Dean and let's have done with it.
tammyy2j
29-04-2015, 23:37
Linda's rape is taking a back seat to all the other Carter drama, she needs justice fast and soon, Dean has to pay
I'm sorry but I am now officially bored to tears with the whole Mick/Shirley/Dean story. It just goes round and round in circles. And as for Tina's role in it, how can she possibly side with Shirley and expect Mick to be reconciled with her? It makes a very boring story completely nonsensical as well.
Someone please castrate Dean and let's have done with it.
Linda's rape is taking a back seat to all the other Carter drama, she needs justice fast and soon, Dean has to pay
**Warning - long rant**
I totally agree with you and so do lots of other people from what I've read elsewhere.
I was defending EE and DTC to the hilt and lauding how EE had been saved only a couple of months ago. That was true for me - at that time - but I can no longer say it.
The rape storyline has been badly misjudged in my opinion, and even worse it's completely taken over the show. I see people criticising the Carters again and again but in my opinion the problem isn't that family, who are all good characters played by decent actors, but with the all-consuming rape storyline they've all become enmeshed and enmired in.
It started well and I certainly believe the EE team were well-intentioned but, as Tammy says, it ceased being about the rape and its effect on Linda (and Mick) a long time ago. Now all we get are endless and nonsensical scenes of Carters feuding and taking sides.
No one with any sense wants to watch a drama where a rape victim's being constantly harassed by the perpetrator and his posse. I know we have several killers on the square but there are extenuating circumstances for all of them so I can forget (if not forgive). Sex crimes are a whole other level of distasteful because by their very nature they're so degrading and cannot be accidental or provoked. I will never forgive Dean for the rape and his callous behaviour since. If he'd shown some remorse privately it might have been just bearable, but he's completely lacking in empathy or conscience about it. All we get is self-pity. Are we actually supposed to sympathise with him that he was beaten up in prison and that he's a pariah in Albert Square? :searchme:
Then there's Shirley, who's never been a nice character, but she's had enough sympathetic moments to redeem her - up until now. I'll never forgive her behaviour towards Linda and her supposedly beloved first born, even when Dean's (hopefully) long gone. I'll also never believe that Mick could forgive her behaviour, though we all know it'll happen at some point. :wall:
EE are in serious danger of losing me as a viewer again over this storyline if it doesn't end soon and if Dean doesn't get some kind of satisfying comeuppance. I did think that he raped Shabnam when she told her story to Stacey and that's how the truth would come out, but that was so long ago now that it almost feels like I dreamt those scenes!
Pull your socks up DTC and give us viewers an ending we can live with to this storyline and QUICKLY. And for goodness sake make sure the baby (a completely unnecessary and sensationalist addition to the plot) is quickly ascertained to be Mick's! You wanted a realistic rape plotline that showed how hard it is for victims to get justice, and I agreed with that, but it's also got to be palatable to your viewers (and let's face it, it's long since stopped being about Linda). :angry:
**End of rant (for now)**
parkerman
30-04-2015, 08:58
Absolutely spot on, Dazzle. :cheer:
Surely DTC must be getting feed-back on this. He is going to lose a lot of viewers over this if it doesn't end in a satisfactory way for Linda very soon.
Surely DTC must be getting feed-back on this. He is going to lose a lot of viewers over this if it doesn't end in a satisfactory way for Linda very soon.
There've been lots of complaints for weeks now so DTC must be aware of the huge frustration a lot of EE fans are feeling about the storyline.
His most recent comments about the plot that I can find are in this (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a643771/eastenders-boss-on-bobby-killer-story-theres-a-lot-more-to-tell.html#~pbkyYLXehafYcq) video dated 24th April 2015. He says "there will be an ending" to the story but that real life isn't "tied up quickly and easily with a bow". There have been angry reactions on Twitter but "it's right people are getting angry because they should be" and "if there wasn't a discussion going on then we wouldn't be doing the right thing".
People are angry that Dean's escaped legal justice and of course it's right they should be, but I don't think DTC realises that the majority of the complaints are about the writing of the story not the contents. I never had a huge problem with Dean not being convicted (as long as he gets some form of comeuppance) because it is a realistic scenario and the lack of justice for most real-life rape victimes should be highlighted in my opinion. However, it sounds like they were going for gritty realism whereas what's actually come across onscreen is repetitive and almost unwatchable sensationalism (that has less and less to do with the victim's feelings).
I just hope the fact that the storyline has a definite end means that the truth will come out one way or another and we'll be rid of Dean (sooner rather than later hopefully). I can't stomach much more of his (and Shirley's) gloating! :angry:
On the positive side, DTC says in the video that there's plenty more to come on the Bobby Beale storyline. I'm looking forward to that and just hope I'm still watching EE then.
parkerman
30-04-2015, 16:49
Thank you for that Dazzle. I agree that he doesn't seem to understand what it is people are angry about. As I said above it is the repetitive nature of the story with the same scenes between Mick and Shirley being played over and over again. Also the position of Tina in all this. Does she or does she not believe Linda? Either way, she must know and understand why it is impossible for Mick and Shirley to be reconciled while Shirley continues to defend and protect Dean. It just makes no sense at all and is nothing to do with people maybe being angry over Dean not getting his comeuppance.
maidmarian
30-04-2015, 17:25
Thank you for that Dazzle. I agree that he doesn't seem to understand what it is people are angry about. As I said above it is the repetitive nature of the story with the same scenes between Mick and Shirley being played over and over again. Also the position of Tina in all this. Does she or does she not believe Linda? Either way, she must know and understand why it is impossible for Mick and Shirley to be reconciled while Shirley continues to defend and protect Dean. It just makes no sense at all and is nothing to do with people maybe being angry over Dean not getting his comeuppance.
I agree with all uve said parkerman . EE had this
repititive scenes problem years ago and it was
so bad you actually thought you were watching
a repeat episode until a new bit popped up.
I cant remember the storyline -time has blotted
it out- might have involved Phil.?
The way the rape story is now being played
completely undrvalues its importance.
I may have picked this up wrongly but I get
the impression the producer likes the actor
who plays Dean and has sympathy for character.
Is he swayed by thinking Dean has a lot of fans.?
I think if I had modelled some of the Carters
on my own family - as producer says he has-
Id have kept quiet about it.
!
If story goes on much longer -I would expect
someone in BBC hierarchy to step in - as they
did in Baby Swap Story!
maidmarian
30-04-2015, 17:25
Dupl
parkerman
30-04-2015, 17:38
I think if I had modelled some of the Carters
on my own family - as producer says he has-
Id have kept quiet about it.
:rotfl:
I may have picked this up wrongly but I get
the impression the producer likes the actor
who plays Dean and has sympathy for character.
Is he swayed by thinking Dean has a lot of fans.?
The general consensus on social media seems to be that they planned for Dean to rape Linda before they realised how popular he was, and are since regretting it. I liked Dean a lot myself and was fuming when I read that he was going to become a rapist, but since he's now a fully-fledged sex offender I'm not interested in seeing any further development of his character.
There seem to be a minority of EE fans who like and/or fancy Matt di Angelo and make all sorts of excuses for the rape - even going so far as to hope Dean can be redeemed! Luckily most fans are sick to the back teeth of him and want him gone ASAP.
I just hope DTC and Co are listening to us.
there no possible way to redeem dean
Thank you for that Dazzle. I agree that he doesn't seem to understand what it is people are angry about. As I said above it is the repetitive nature of the story with the same scenes between Mick and Shirley being played over and over again. Also the position of Tina in all this. Does she or does she not believe Linda? Either way, she must know and understand why it is impossible for Mick and Shirley to be reconciled while Shirley continues to defend and protect Dean. It just makes no sense at all and is nothing to do with people maybe being angry over Dean not getting his comeuppance.
Yeah, Tina's stance is a bizarre and inconsistent mess! :thumbsdow
there no possible way to redeem dean
None whatsoever.
maidmarian
30-04-2015, 19:09
Yeah, Tina's stance is a bizarre and inconsistent mess! :thumbsdow
None whatsoever.
Just a comment re Shirley & Tina. I thought the
idea of extending the Carter family was to give
the Shirley character a stronger base?
I admit Ive never really liked Shirley but accept
is has been a good portrayal of someone with
only 2 settings - Doormat( as with Phil) and
then Bully ( with such as Heather) to make
them feel better about themselves?
Where there are several siblings -one can
become dominant and seek to control
some of the others- if parents dont do
something?
This can continue well into.adulthood-
I wonder if Shirley has this effect on Tina
which is why her attitude is strange and
she doesnt support Linda?
maidmarian
30-04-2015, 19:09
Dupli
is phil wanting rid of sharon
Enjoyable episode last night. I wish Kat and Alfie were always so well written because I might actually be sorry to see them goif that were the case.
I hope Kat's visit to the convent is cathartic for her.
Despite my abhorrence of the way Max treated Kat at the end of Tuesdays episode, I ended up feeling sorry for him last night. He's certainly having a bad time of it lately. I rather shamefully enjoyed Phil's smug grin to Max when he gave Abi the car though. :o
A break from the rape storyline was very welcome! :D
is phil wanting rid of sharon
No, I actually thought he was really genuine in wanting to please her last night (that doesn't mean he'll give up his life of crime though lol). I was really glad to see Sharon standing her ground with Phil as I think they work well as a couple - as long as she's not playing the doormat.
I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode as it's concentrating on Kat and Stacey - we get to find out something about Stacey's keyat last!
So Stacey talking to her brother ... Rob Kasinsky always said he would not mind coming back ... usually when a character's name is mentioned a few times it indicates that they will make an appearance before long ... would not mind him coming back :D
kayuqtuq
01-05-2015, 21:00
So what happened to Zoe's twin brother? And how come Kat doesn't remember a second baby?
So what happened to Zoe's twin brother? And how come Kat doesn't remember a second baby?
i wonder is it someone we have already meet before what 30 year olds fit the bill :p lee, ryan, sean, dean, spencer or a newbie
i would love sean to return
june was great as the nun
kat comparing derek to harry did they look alike but wasn't kat texting i love yous to derek yet he disgusted her
So what happened to Zoe's twin brother? And how come Kat doesn't remember a second baby?
i wonder is it someone we have already meet before what 30 year olds fit the bill :p lee, ryan, sean, dean, spencer or a newbie
i would love sean to return
june was great as the nun
kat comparing derek to harry did they look alike but wasn't kat texting i love yous to derek yet he disgusted her
parkerman
01-05-2015, 22:29
Or is he alive and well but unknown to us and maybe living abroad - somewhere like Ireland for example?
tammyy2j
02-05-2015, 00:29
Wow what an episode, the show can survive without any Carters featuring predominately
Jessie was just superb and what a twist, Kat has a grown up son so we have a new male Slater, I hope Zoe's twin is a new character and Parkerman says above maybe he is living in Ireland
I like that Stacey's key is from Sean connected to their dad, as everyone was expecting a connection to Ryan, I thought it was Jean she was skyping with
Excellent episode centring around Kat, and I must admit to having tears in my eyes at several points. The only downside was I felt the script was a bit awkward in parts - it didn't flow very well IMO - but that might have been deliberate to show Kat's state of mind. The performances were uniformly fantastic though.
Kat's guilty secret that part of her enjoyed the attention from Harry was so sad and messed up. What an awful feeling to live with. No wonder she couldn't cope. :( I hope she can forgive herself now for the understandable feelings of a confused and expertly groomed young girl.
kat comparing derek to harry did they look alike but wasn't kat texting i love yous to derek yet he disgusted her
It's probably only with hindsight that Kat realises she was subconsciously trying to relive feeling special as Derek reminded her of Harry. At the time it must have felt like she was actually fond of Derek. I'm relieved that particularly low episode in Kat's story has been explained away.
I hope we predominantly see Kathleen from now on because the "dirty girl" story feels complete now.
Or is he alive and well but unknown to us and maybe living abroad - somewhere like Ireland for example?
I think you might be correct there! :D
I'm looking forward to seeing Kat's secret son. I've seen people complaining about a "retcon" but I'm happy with the twist. Kat's memory of giving birth is obviously very hazy and, given her state of mind at the time, I have no trouble believing in her having no knowledge about it now. Her mother was obviously a very unpleasant and manipulative woman.
I enjoyed how the writers made us think Stacey was contacting Ryan whereas she was actually speaking to Sean. I wonder if the key mystery turns out to be related to Kat's secret son? There've been suggestions that Sean is Kat's son but I can't see that being the case because Rob Kazinsky had been quite successful in the US so he wouldn't come back to EE full time. What would be the point of the twin reveal if we're not going to get another Slater living on the square in the future? On the other hand, it must have been deliberate that Sean Slater featured for the first time in years in the episode that revealed Kat's secret son... :hmm:
flappinfanny
03-05-2015, 13:11
A stand out performance from Jessie. However I don't think there was any need to have this twist with the twin? It seems we are having storylines for sensation's sake. Nice to see June whitfield. I half expected Saffy and Edna to pop round the corner. :D
However I don't think there was any need to have this twist with the twin?
There was a need for a new direction for Kat. Fans have been complaining for years that Kat's storylines are just rinse and repeat and now we (hopefully) have some closure on the abuse storyline and a whole new purpose for her. On a personal note, I was really hoping she wouldn't return from her Irish adventuresbut I'm now looking forward to seeing what the future brings for her.
parkerman
05-05-2015, 00:03
I'm sure I saw Winston tonight when Buster was chasing that boy through the market. Is he back?
I can't get enough of Aunt Babe's manipulation of the Carters. :D
Kim and Kat were great last night. I really like their friendship. It's a pleasure to see Kat looking more content. :)
what a party at beales, tina talking too much about boring sonia
so vincent the bad boy now 3 connections to square
what a party at beales, tina talking too much about boring sonia
so vincent the bad boy now 3 connections to square
I'm sure I saw Winston tonight when Buster was chasing that boy through the market. Is he back?
for ur sake i hope he is back
I'm sure I saw Winston tonight when Buster was chasing that boy through the market. Is he back?
for ur sake i hope he is back
tammyy2j
05-05-2015, 21:53
Why was Roxy and Charlie at Tina and Sonia's small intimate family birthday meal?
Mick seeing through Babe's plan was good and also nice touch to see Linda and Nancy mention the new royal baby after all Linda is a big royal fan :p
parkerman
05-05-2015, 21:59
Why was Roxy and Charlie at Tina and Sonia's small intimate family birthday meal?
Charlie is family. He is Jim's step grandson and Sonia is Jim's grandaughter.
tammyy2j
05-05-2015, 22:03
Charlie is family. He is Jim's step grandson and Sonia is Jim's grandaughter.
Did Charlie ever even meet or visit Jim?
Max and Abi weren't there and they are related by blood to Sonia
No sign of Mick or his family or Babe for Tina also
So whom next will Vincent be connected to maybe a Carter :p
parkerman
05-05-2015, 22:20
So whom next will Vincent be connected to.
Winston.
maidmarian
05-05-2015, 22:52
Winston.
An interesting connection-at last!!
maidmarian
05-05-2015, 22:52
Winston.
An interesting connection-at last!!
I wanted to see more of Babe stirring so I'm disappointed she's been caught out already. Still, I'm sure she'll be at it again sooner or later as I don't think she's one to give up. I wouldn't like to be in Shirley's shoes when Babe wreaks her revenge! :eek: I'm team Babe all the way though! :D I'll miss Annette Badland if she's off our screens for too long.
Martin and Tina both behaved very badly at Sonia's party. Tina's gloating and crass comment about Sonia's boobs seemed out of character for her - and very embarrassing for poor Rebecca (or Bex as she's now known). :o
I thought Sonia was really into Tina so I'm not sure why she was tempted by Martin again, especially as he's not exactly making himself attractive at the moment. I am liking the new Martin though.
It's good to see the underused Donna given more links to the square. I'm guessing Vincent's meant to be charming but I haven't succumbed so far. :p
not finding vincent charming or interesting either
Did Charlie ever even meet or visit Jim?
Max and Abi weren't there and they are related by blood to Sonia
No sign of Mick or his family or Babe for Tina also
So whom next will Vincent be connected to maybe a Carter :p
kat son's or sharon's real daddy :p
how predictable alfie won lottery, wasted storyline for him
Did Charlie ever even meet or visit Jim?
Max and Abi weren't there and they are related by blood to Sonia
No sign of Mick or his family or Babe for Tina also
So whom next will Vincent be connected to maybe a Carter :p
kat son's or sharon's real daddy :p
how predictable alfie won lottery, wasted storyline for him
xx_Dan_xx
07-05-2015, 20:49
kat son's or sharon's real daddy :p
how predictable alfie won lottery, wasted storyline for him
I'm happy for them, finally began liking them again in the latest episodes.
I'm feeling quite indifferent about the lottery win - probably because I was expecting it. A much more exciting outcome would have been to have made it a shock for us viewers as well as Kat and Alfie.
I am glad they have some good times ahead though. Kat certainly deserves it, but it still sticks in my craw that Alfie's got away with, and even been rewarded for, the arson. He hasn't even lost the wife he nearly burned to death! I don't remember him apologising profusely either, just making excuses. :angry:
They did have some lovely scenes in Tuesday's episode but the arson's spoiled Alfie for me for the time being I'm afraid. I guess it's lucky that soap viewers (including myself) tend to have short memories about most character transgressions!
tammyy2j
08-05-2015, 14:32
I'm happy for them, finally began liking them again in the latest episodes.
They should invest wisely like buying a house and business, stability for their kids
Really nice to see happy scenes in EastEnders for a change. :)
I don't blame Rebecca for telling Tina that Sonia and Martin slept together. It was a betrayal but it was understandable. Her parents seem to be going out of their way to make the split as stressful as possible for her. :nono:
What was Sonia thinking of describing her sex life to a mortified Carol? :eek:
parkerman
09-05-2015, 18:01
Winston is definitely back then. He even spoke this time!:cheer::thumbsup::cheer:
parkerman
09-05-2015, 18:04
One other thing. I don't understand this business with Shirley selling her share of the pub. As far as I understand the conversation she had with Buster, she put the price up by 20% because she hoped that would prevent Mick from buying it. Why doesn't she just say she's not selling? She doesn't have to sell her share if she doesn't want to.
One other thing. I don't understand this business with Shirley selling her share of the pub. As far as I understand the conversation she had with Buster, she put the price up by 20% because she hoped that would prevent Mick from buying it. Why doesn't she just say she's not selling? She doesn't have to sell her share if she doesn't want to.
I was thinking exactly the same thing but I don't know anything about business. Can partners force out another partner? We don't even know what percentage Shirley owns (as far as I'm aware).
parkerman
09-05-2015, 18:33
Re Winston. His Wikipedia entry earlier this year said he filmed his last episode in November (I think). That has now been removed and his period in Eastenders has been changed to 1986 - Date.
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 19:01
Re Winston. His Wikipedia entry earlier this year said he filmed his last episode in November (I think). That has now been removed and his period in Eastenders has been changed to 1986 - Date.
Probably realised viewers like a happy character
for a change!!
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 19:01
Dupl
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 19:28
I was thinking exactly the same thing but I don't know anything about business. Can partners force out another partner? We don't even know what percentage Shirley owns (as far as I'm aware).
Not sure - but must depend on how original
contract written- could be clause to say if
one partner wishes to sell their share the
other(s) have first chance and how share is
valued.
Whichever partner has greatest share will
usually have final say in any business decisions.
Which is why when someone who has been
sole proprietor sells part of the business
or(eg gives a share to a family member) they
ensure they retain at least 51%
There might be clause restricting to whom
shares of business could be sold in future or
original.owner may have first right to re-purchase.
Contract needs to be very carefully written! and
as you say we-the viewers- dont know the finer
points of the original contract in this case??
So will probably be written to suit current
storyline!!
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 19:28
Dupl
Whichever partner has greatest share will
usually have final say in any business decisions.
That does sound like Mick and Linda could force Shirley out then. As you say, the finer details will change the suit the storyline!
xx_Dan_xx
09-05-2015, 20:49
The majority share owner can decide how the business is ran but they cannot force a minor shareholder to sell up. Mick and Linda can run the pub but they cant force Shirley to sell if she doesnt want to.
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 21:08
That does sound like Mick and Linda could force Shirley out then. As you say, the finer details will change the suit the storyline!
They can decide direction of business etc but
dont think.they could force sale -as long as
she had abided by her conditions in contract.
Unless there was a clause that said eg if the
majority shares which to sell the others
must comply ( which might be doubtful that
the minors would sign such a contract )
Thats why when people sign a contract each
party needs their own independent solictor
to look.for loop holes that put them at a
disadvantage. And where legal profession
makes a lot of fees.
But no one has seen this contract ???
maidmarian
09-05-2015, 21:08
Dupl
parkerman
09-05-2015, 23:08
I agree with Dan. However, even if there is a clause that says the majority shareholder can buy out other shareholders there must also be something about how much that would cost. If Shirley can just arbitrarily put the price up by 20% then she could put it up by 100% or more and make it impossible anyway.
shirley and mick both names were over the door as licencee so i thought equal share 50 50
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 00:18
I agree with Dan. However, even if there is a clause that says the majority shareholder can buy out other shareholders there must also be something about how much that would cost. If Shirley can just arbitrarily put the price up by 20% then she could put it up by 100% or more and make it impossible anyway.
Yes-there would have to be a clause
to say it could happen AND it should
have to.say how it would be valued
( cant just pick a price at random)**
It should specify a lot of things but
would it? We are in a place that has
"dodgy briefs".
I did put about valuing in earlier post.
( unless it was a sloppy solictor or none-
which was one of my main points)
I suppose how ever legal the forum
gets - in the end the story inc contract-
will be written to suit the desired end.
**Or can you if its a badly written contract?
wasnt specific enough and left loopholes
Could sue solictor for negligence ??
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 00:18
Dupl
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 01:07
shirley and mick both names were over the door as licencee so i thought equal share 50 50
The joint licence just means local.authority
has granted them a licence to sell alcohol.
How the business is split between them is
up to them ( and the contract). In case of
husband and wife or in their case domestic
partners - it would be usual to own half
each but not mandatory- one may have
invested more than the other or be going
to work for more time than the other.
BUT Shirley has bought a share ( so far no one
seems sure what % she owns-Ive no idea)
Her % would come off 100% and remainder
divided equally or otherwise between M & L.
as per contract.
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 01:07
Dupl
shirley and mick both names were over the door as licencee so i thought equal share 50 50
I'm pretty sure Shirley only owns a small percentage (I was thinking perhaps 10%) as she only paid £10,000 for her share (she blackmailed them with the money she got from Stan for the damp if I remember correctly).
Is it possible there is no contract and the agreement is just verbal? I suppose that's not credible because Mick and Linda could just tell Shirley to go to hell if that were the case.
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 02:52
I'm pretty sure Shirley only owns a small percentage (I was thinking perhaps 10%) as she only paid £10,000 for her share (she blackmailed them with the money she got from Stan for the damp if I remember correctly).
Is it possible there is no contract and the agreement is just verbal? I suppose that's not credible because Mick and Linda could just tell Shirley to go to hell if that were the case.
We are not too sure whats happened in this case-
but it is possible to have a verbal.partnership
agreement and it is legally binding. It also
may be reasonably easy to dissolve a verbal
partnership where all parties agree.
But would probably need recourse to legal
measures if they didnt!! and Shirley may not
agree to the terms offered!
Were there any witnesses apart from the
viewers?
Some things must be in writing sale of property
tenancy agreements & consumer credit agreements.
are examples.I think there has been a general
assumption there had been a written contract.
P.s. You.have obviously paid more attention
to the the details about Shirleys involvement
than me!!! -but I do miss a couple of episodes
now and again when at relatives.
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 02:52
Dupl
xx_Dan_xx
10-05-2015, 11:22
I'd doubt EE would go into too much complexity with this. Im just assuming Mick, Linda and Shirley all have equal shares and Mick and Linda, together, get the say how the business is ran. I didn't watch the episodes where Shirley was given a share but she isnt the type to demand a very low stake in it.
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 11:59
I'd doubt EE would go into too much complexity with this. Im just assuming Mick, Linda and Shirley all have equal shares and Mick and Linda, together, get the say how the business is ran. I didn't watch the episodes where Shirley was given a share but she isnt the type to demand a very low stake in it.
Spoilers/storylines around 27/01/14 show
Mick.and Linda visit Stan to ask him for
the £10,000 he won on Premium bonds
to help with damp problem at Vic. But he
only did so after insisting Shirley ( who was
waiting outside)asked him herself .Then says
trio went off jubilant.
I missed episode also - but£10000k doesn't
seem.much for a third share of pub-
would have thought share would be much
less?
Will no doubt find out more idc.
maidmarian
10-05-2015, 11:59
Dupl
I missed episode also - but£10000k doesn't
seem.much for a third share of pub-
would have thought share would be much
less?
The Wiki (http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_4797_%2830th_January_2014%29) from 30th January 2014 says:
Shirley reinstates her demands – either she’s given a share in the Vic or she’ll leave with the £10,000.
and
Mick tries again to convince Linda to make Shirley a licensee. Linda insists it shouldn’t even be a choice between his family and Shirley. Mick suggests moving on from Walford, promising to always choose Linda and his children. Summoned by a text from Mick, Shirley returns to the Vic. She’s delighted when Linda announces her name’s going above the door, although Linda insists she did it for Mick, not Shirley.
It's very low on detail but, given Linda's understandable resistance to Shirley having a share of the Vic, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have agreed to a large share (especially not for £10,000).
tammyy2j
10-05-2015, 20:34
I'm not a fan of Sonia and Tina as a couple and I don't think Carol wanted to know much about Tina and Sonia's romance by her facial expression
This feud between Mick and Shirley for the pub is stupid
maryokane
10-05-2015, 21:41
Can anybody tell me what happened the night Aunt Babe was telling Sylvia about Stan and they referred to what happened in the caravan when Shirley had Mick? I haven't had a chance to watch it on iplayer since.
Can anybody tell me what happened the night Aunt Babe was telling Sylvia about Stan and they referred to what happened in the caravan when Shirley had Mick? I haven't had a chance to watch it on iplayer since.
I can't remember the scene that well and can't find a description or video online. There was a huge row between them and I think the main thing to come out of it was that Babe (along with her friend Queenie) did something terrible in Ramsgate that's been kept a secret all these years. We didn't find out anything further and it hasn't been mentioned since (except for Cora telling Babe that Stan told her what happened).
No doubt all will be revealed sooner or later in explosive scenes that rock the square... :D
That is what I remember from that episode, Dazzle :thumbsup:
parkerman
11-05-2015, 08:55
No doubt all will be revealed sooner or later in explosive scenes that rock the square... :D
Will the lives of the inhabitants ever be the same again?
Good episode last night. I really like it when episodes are set at night with a limited cast as it can make for some intense scenes.
At least Mick acknowledged that the rape storyline is on a loop and is never ending lol. I get the writers want to make this terrible situation realistic but why do us viewers have to suffer along with the characters?
I find it odd that so many of the characters act like Mick's being unreasonable. Even Linda was at it last night! I understand she wants to forget the rape happened but why can't she empathise with Mick's suffering? Surely she couldn't go back to the way things were - a big happy family with Dean included - before the rape? I think it probably took a lot for Mick to admit he should see a doctor because he feels so unwell.
The fall was well done.
maidmarian
12-05-2015, 17:17
Good episode last night. I really like it when episodes are set at night with a limited cast as it can make for some intense scenes.
At least Mick acknowledged that the rape storyline is on a loop and is never ending lol. I get the writers want to make this terrible situation realistic but why do us viewers have to suffer along with the characters?
I find it odd that so many of the characters act like Mick's being unreasonable. Even Linda was at it last night! I understand she wants to forget the rape happened but why can't she empathise with Mick's suffering? Surely she couldn't go back to the way things were - a big happy family with Dean included - before the rape? I think it probably took a lot for Mick to admit he should see a doctor because he feels so unwell.
The fall was well done.
You might on the right track -or Im being
cynical!!
Perhaps its a way of putting out feelers to
see if viewers would accept Deans rehabiliation
I dont think so -but they are really dragging
out the resolution of this plot despite
promised come uppance.
Perhaps they are trying the "Micks not
been himself /ill and been over- reacting
ploy " Rather than Dean did something
very bad.
Doesnt explain Lindas behaviour tho!.
There is a hint in Spoilers ( I know u
dont read).to infer Lindas main concern
is the baby-so perhaps they are trying
to sweep rape away-but dont think it
will work with a lot of viewers!!
maidmarian
12-05-2015, 17:17
Dupl
Perhaps they are trying the "Micks not
been himself /ill and been over- reacting
ploy " Rather than Dean did something
very bad.
I really hope they're not trying to minimise the rape. That would be the absolute limit! :angry:
Poor Mick feeling like his head's going to explode is perfectly understandable given the amount of stress he's under. He could do with some counselling or something.
maidmarian
12-05-2015, 19:17
I really hope they're not trying to minimise the rape. That would be the absolute limit! :angry:
Poor Mick feeling like his head's going to explode is perfectly understandable given the amount of stress he's under. He could do with some counselling or something.
I agree he needs help . It must make it worse
that its relative who committed the rape
rather than a stranger. And hes not getting
the support he should get and Linda deserves
from rest of family - and its not clear( to me
anyway) why not.
The fact that Linda is pregnant and has decided
to accept the baby wont lessen whats happened
to her but it will give her mind another focus
and bodily changes will also affect how she
feels. The maternal protective streak can be
very strong.
Whereas Mick is left feeling out of control of
things and helpless.
maidmarian
12-05-2015, 19:17
Dupl
I agree he needs help . It must make it worse
that its relative who committed the rape
rather than a stranger. And hes not getting
the support he should get and Linda deserves
from rest of family - and its not clear( to me
anyway) why not.
The fact that Linda is pregnant and has decided
to accept the baby wont lessen whats happened
to her but it will give her mind another focus
and bodily changes will also affect how she
feels. The maternal protective streak can be
very strong.
Whereas Mick is left feeling out of control of
things and helpless.
Excellent post MM! A very good explanation of Linda and Mick's feelings about the situation. :)
I think most of us are confused at why they're not getting the support they should be doing from the rest of the family.
maybe buster will get dean to confess
parkerman
12-05-2015, 23:44
Ahhh...poor Dean. I felt really sorry for him tonight, not being able to see his new born baby, especially as he was born so prematurely. What are those nasty Carters thinking of....? I have a lot of sympathy for him. He should be given full rights over the baby and Mick should stop being so vindictive. After all, the only thing Dean has done wrong is to rape his wife!
:angry::angry::angry:
xx_Dan_xx
13-05-2015, 00:11
Glad Buster is starting to jump aboard the Mick Carter train.
flappinfanny
13-05-2015, 13:57
I think Buster is starting to see the light.
I dislike Sonia so much, what have they done to her? There is nothing positive to say apart from Sonia makes Tina a delight.
Carol had me in stiches at the thought on Tina and Sonia making Whooooope! :D
tammyy2j
13-05-2015, 14:20
Lee also looks to be having trouble accepting his new sibling for fear the baby is Dean's which I hope it is not
maidmarian
13-05-2015, 14:24
Lee also looks to be having trouble accepting his new sibling for fear the baby is Dean's which I hope it is not
I hope the baby isnt Deans either!
From.Spoilers -it sounds as tho-
we will know quite soon!*
* 18th May episode
maidmarian
13-05-2015, 14:24
Duplk
Ahhh...poor Dean. I felt really sorry for him tonight, not being able to see his new born baby, especially as he was born so prematurely. What are those nasty Carters thinking of....? I have a lot of sympathy for him. He should be given full rights over the baby and Mick should stop being so vindictive. After all, the only thing Dean has done wrong is to rape his wife!
:angry::angry::angry:
http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/a/3d-smileys/graphics-3d-smileys-914634.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/)
I'm surprised to say I didn't hate it quite as much as you did Parkerman, but do I feel confused as to the writers' intentions.
Although Dean was throwing himself a pity party (my favourite phrase at the moment!) the whole episode, I thought his "lying whore" line a was very telling reminder of his misogyny. It also seems Buster might be coming around to Mick's point of view.
So I think the writers must be firmly in Mick and Linda's camp, but they're trying to portray Dean objectively - not as the usual one-dimensional soap villain. They're leaving the judgement up to the viewer, but I feel they're trying so hard to depict Dean objectively that it's crossed over the line into him actually appearing sympathetic, which is quite sickening to watch. :sick:
I'm a fan of dark, intense, morally ambiguous drama that portrays both sides objectively and leaves the judgement to the viewer but it's not working here. I do not want to spend any more time watching the repulsive little rapist! :angry:
I love how close Mick and Linda are despite everything. It's so nice to see a strong, affectionate couple in a soap. I don't know if I can cope if the baby turns out to be Dean's. That'll just be too much punishment for Linda, Mick, the poor innocent child and us viewers. For now I'm still hopeful they wouldn't do that to us.
so wrong of shirley to demand dna test for dean, also did she ever do for kevin, how can shirley expect any relationships with mick and linda plus their kids
so charlie's mam is back who framed phil and speaking against dot
so wrong of shirley to demand dna test for dean, also did she ever do for kevin, how can shirley expect any relationships with mick and linda plus their kids
so charlie's mam is back who framed phil and speaking against dot
tammyy2j
14-05-2015, 23:37
I really despise Shirley
Dean seems to having a psychotic breakdown I think but still have no sympathy for him
Why wasn't Sharon at Dot's trial?
Was surprised to see Yvonne back
Riveting scenes in court (and good to see Yvonne again) but what was that strange (and presumably highly unrealistic) interlude between the judge and Dot all about? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
The Carter family scenes (minus Dean et al of course) were heartwarming.
Although I want the DNA test to go ahead for my own sake, if I was Linda I wouldn't give into Shirley's preposterous demands. If the baby did turn out to be Dean's she'd never escape his harassment! I'm sure the family - who are decent sorts - would love baby Carter anyway because he's half Linda whoever his father is.
Dean seems to having a psychotic breakdown I think but still have no sympathy for him
He's just selfish and totally lacking in empathy as far as I'm concerned (and the same could be said of his mother). He's brought all his recent troubles on himself and is now wallowing in self-pity. I couldn't give a toss that the poor little mite's upset about the baby. :angry:
parkerman
15-05-2015, 09:06
Agreed Dazzle. I still can't see what DTC is trying to achieve with all this. I hope he has a really good ending in mind for Dean.
Agreed Dazzle. I still can't see what DTC is trying to achieve with all this. I hope he has a really good ending in mind for Dean.
that ending needs to be soon
Agreed Dazzle. I still can't see what DTC is trying to achieve with all this. I hope he has a really good ending in mind for Dean.
that ending needs to be soon
tammyy2j
15-05-2015, 14:27
If I were Linda I would slap Shirley, Dazzle is right Linda should not give in to her demands for a DNA test
maidmarian
15-05-2015, 14:45
Dupl
maidmarian
15-05-2015, 14:45
If I were Linda I would slap Shirley, Dazzle is right Linda should not give in to her demands for a DNA test
I agree but think is she behaving as she always
has(imo). She cant relate to "pleasant normal"
people so tries to bully them but is subservient
to unpleasant types.
I expect in her mind she will have converted
the past into its being Micks fault for the
confusion over parentage!! And Lindas his
partner..
Dont think.she has any understanding of
"family" as most people would mean the
term.
tammyy2j
15-05-2015, 15:09
I thought Roxy was going to be keeping her distance from Charlie but why was she at Dot's court case hearing?
Sharon should have been there with Ian
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 17:07
I thought Roxy was going to be keeping her distance from Charlie but why was she at Dot's court case hearing?
Maybe because she's family now.
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 17:07
I thought Roxy was going to be keeping her distance from Charlie but why was she at Dot's court case hearing?
Maybe because she's family now.
Bugger ... have to wait for Monday to hear the verdict :angry:
go fatboy happy he decked charlie, so was mick happy or sad for blood group reveal
I think he looked somewhat relieved
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 21:16
I think he looked somewhat relieved
Yeah, he clutched the results against his chest which suggests relief.
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 21:16
I think he looked somewhat relieved
Yeah, he clutched the results against his chest which suggests relief.
Yeah, he clutched the results against his chest which suggests relief.
do u think mick would lie to el about the results
Yeah, he clutched the results against his chest which suggests relief.
do u think mick would lie to el about the results
parkerman
15-05-2015, 23:40
As far a I understand you can't say definitely from a blood test that someone is the father, all you can do is rule someone out. It takes a DNA test to give a positive yes result.
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 23:51
do u think mick would lie to el about the results
If its not his, perhaps. But I do think it is his given Mick's initial reaction and the fact Dean already has a kid, I'd dont think they'd give him 2 as it wouldnt work, him involved with 2 kid storylines.
xx_Dan_xx
15-05-2015, 23:51
.
tammyy2j
15-05-2015, 23:58
As far a I understand you can't say definitely from a blood test that someone is the father, all you can do is rule someone out. It takes a DNA test to give a positive yes result.
Dean and Mick are siblings too so could have the same blood type
I do hope the baby is Mick's
Vincent grew up with Phil so which means Phil knew him long before Ronnie, I am finding all Vincent's connections hard to follow :p
maidmarian
16-05-2015, 00:38
Dean and Mick are siblings too so could have the same blood type
I do hope the baby is Mick's
Vincent grew up with Phil so which means Phil knew him long before Ronnie, I am finding all Vincent's connections hard to follow :p
Another little fly in the soap ointment-
DNA is the only true way of determining
paternity but blood type is an indication.
They are full siblings? But apparently
in Caucasians vast majority are Types O & A
which limits permutations(tho there is + & -
factors) and it is possible for it look
as tho a man may be the father when he
is not ( if just based on blood).
So may not be straightforward and a
possiblity for future retcon -if not
done properly now!!!
I hope baby is Micks too!
maidmarian
16-05-2015, 00:38
Dupl
Brilliant cliffhanger last night, although I don't think there's much doubt Dot will be found not guilty. There's no way the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I personally thought the defence barrister's summation tore apart the prosecution's argument. :clap:
Phil wasn't expecting that punch! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)It's time a younger man took away Phil's top dog status although I wouldn't have chosen Vincent to do it. Richard Blackwood's acting is not convincing in my opinion.
I agree with you all about the blood groups proving baby Carter's paternity. They'd need to know Dean's blood type to exclude him as the father. All Mick's blood type can do is show he's possibly the father. I guess it may be enough to convince the family if they're ignorant of the ramifications.
do u think mick would lie to el about the results
It's a possibility (and it could be a good twist) but Friday's episode made it seem as if he wouldn't be able to live with it.
So may not be straightforward and a
possiblity for future retcon -if not
done properly now!!!
I think you're right. There must be a reason why they've written it this way... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
richard blackwood cant act all very panto acting which could be said is expected in soaps :p
the nurse was way out of place suggesting blood group discovery to determine daddy for baby carter to mick, none of her business
dot has to get off
richard blackwood cant act all very panto acting which could be said is expected in soaps :p
the nurse was way out of place suggesting blood group discovery to determine daddy for baby carter to mick, none of her business
dot has to get off
richard blackwood cant act all very panto acting which could be said is expected in soaps :p
I think people who aren't soap fans expect the acting to be panto, but we true fans know there are some excellent actors in soaps. Celebrity castings often brings the acting quality down unfortunately.
I wish soap producers would learn that long-term fans prefer quality over celebrity and eye candy, and that any bump in viewing figures will be temporary if the actor isn't up to it. Danny Dyer worked because he plays Mick well but he's an exception in my opinion.
the nurse was way out of place suggesting blood group discovery to determine daddy for baby carter to mick, none of her business
Agreed, and if she had to suggest it why only tell half the story? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
flappinfanny
18-05-2015, 00:14
richard blackwood cant act all very panto acting which could be said is expected in soaps :p
the nurse was way out of place suggesting blood group discovery to determine daddy for baby carter to mick, none of her business
dot has to get off
When you put Blackwood up against the likes of Womack and McFadden, he just doesn't cut the mustard.
what does ronnie and kim see in vincent?
maidmarian
18-05-2015, 02:13
what does ronnie and kim see in vincent?
The downside of receiving a regular
pay-packet!
14 months for dot, poor her
how did vincent get carl's phone?
mick a happy daddy with little ollie, sorry olivier
14 months for dot, poor her
how did vincent get carl's phone?
mick a happy daddy with little ollie, sorry olivier
parkerman
19-05-2015, 00:45
You gotta feel sorry for poor Dean.
You gotta feel sorry for poor Dean.
yes he is having it rough even billy is worried for him so much to make a home delivery :p
You gotta feel sorry for poor Dean.
yes he is having it rough even billy is worried for him so much to make a home delivery :p
Mick's the father!!! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/jumping/smileys-jumping-645440.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Congratulations to writer Rob Gittins for Monday's episode. It would have been perfect if it hadn't featured the self-pitying rapist so heavily. The interweaving of the two baby stories was masterful. :clap:
I was wrong when I said Dot would be found not guilty. :o Well, I suppose I was half right because I didn't realise she was charged with manslaughter as well as murder. She's already served three months so she could possibly be out in a few more months. I'm glad the verdict was kept secret because it was a bit of a shock. :eek:
Clever Shirley's only just realised her vindictive behaviour has driven Mick away. :wall:
Sly trick Vincent played on Ronnie by having it appear that Carl was calling her. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-695223.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
how did vincent get carl's phone?
Ronnie said that Vincent must have got hold of her phone, from which I take it he changed his own number in Ronnie's phone to "Carl White" to give her a scare (or he could have added the number of another phone he had access to). She probably left her phone unattended in her room when she was in physio or something.
tammyy2j
19-05-2015, 13:40
I am glad Mick is the father
But again now the baby daddy drama is overshadowing the rape which needs to have a favourable outcome for the victim, Dean needs to be punished, Linda needs justice
xx_Dan_xx
19-05-2015, 14:50
I am glad Mick is the father
But again now the baby daddy drama is overshadowing the rape which needs to have a favourable outcome for the victim, Dean needs to be punished, Linda needs justice
Thats the thing though - the only way this Dean thing ends is if he either confesses or he and Linda reach some haven - for instance portraying Dean in a less villainous picture.
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