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Rear window
03-12-2015, 10:15
Given Ian's previous mental health issues it is surprising how well he's coped with everything. It is a strange story to have had - but people usually get locked up for the insurance fraud (canoe man and his wife got 6 years - and A compensation hearing to determine how the couple can pay back the £250,000 they defrauded will take place at a later date. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7520803.stm
And she agreed to pay 600k back
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6544451/Canoe-man-fraud-John-Darwins-wife-Anne-agrees-to-repay-600000.html
He had no assets and so only had to pay a quid back - so maybe if Kathy has no money then they can't take any back.
I spose from a storyline point of view there'd be no point bringing her back from the dead only to lock her away for 6 years - unless they were going to do a prison spinoff with all the people from EE in prison at the moment.
If they'd not caught Gavin then how can they have found the truth - they've only got Kathy's word for it. But again it's soap not real life.
Rear window
03-12-2015, 10:15
Dup.
maidmarian
03-12-2015, 10:46
Given Ian's previous mental health issues it is surprising how well he's coped with everything. It is a strange story to have had - but people usually get locked up for the insurance fraud (canoe man and his wife got 6 years - and A compensation hearing to determine how the couple can pay back the £250,000 they defrauded will take place at a later date. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7520803.stm
And she agreed to pay 600k back
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6544451/Canoe-man-fr
He had no assets and so only had to pay a quid back - so maybe if Kathy has no money then they can't take any back.
I spose from a storyline point of view there'd be no point bringing her back from the dead only to lock her away for 6 years - unless they were going to do a prison spinoff with all the people from EE in prison at the moment.
If they'd not caught Gavin then how can they have found the truth - they've only got Kathy's word for it. But again it's soap not real life.
Where the entity defrauded is an insurance co
ie not a person** compensation is seperate from
sentence -as you say.
A couple of points occurred to me- who.owns
the house we saw several times.If in.joint
names and no mortgage -Kathy is entitled to
half and debtors could claim.
I may have remembered wrongly but I thought
canoe man had transferred his share of any
assets into wifes name before he disappeared??
I think in EE its all been left purposefully vague
until they decide what they are doing with
characters longer term.
** in this case a voluntary early offer to
make full restitution can lead to lighter
sentence.
the fancy notting hill house was the solicitor's gaff i think
Rear window
03-12-2015, 17:10
the fancy notting hill house was the solicitor's gaff i think
Because her brother faked his death and it was inherited by her - I think.
Rear window
03-12-2015, 17:10
the fancy notting hill house was the solicitor's gaff i think
Because her brother faked his death and it was inherited by her - I think.
maidmarian
03-12-2015, 18:10
Because her brother faked his death and it was inherited by her - I think.
Thats very interesting!
As her inheritance was based on.a fraudulent
event - I wonder if that.negates the bequest
or she probably inherited as next of kin
if he died and was intestate. Kathy would
otherwise have inherited but faked her death
also.
I can see why SWs went a bit vague.!!
So is Kathy boracic or not??
So is Kathy boracic or not??
I think so considering it wasn't long ago she was begging Phil for money.
so vincent's daddy died at christmas and was car lot fire set by phil mitchell around christmas too which killed someone now carmel can crack this soon like sussing stacey's baby is her kushie get on her max's case :p
flappinfanny
03-12-2015, 23:50
I will focus on the positives first, nice to see a different side to Shirley, Steve McFadden always knocks it out of the park and I like what they have done with him and Letitia. The Stacey storyline looks interesting and who'd ave thought Bonnie Langford would be so brilliant as Carmen, sorry Carmel.
The Kim Vincent stuff was boring, The Beale stuff is awful and if I here about Captain Beale or whatever it is again I will throw up! The Beale family are completely ruined. EE need to do something about the pacing, a 27 minute episode still feels like a lifetime.
Rear window
04-12-2015, 09:42
I will focus on the positives first, nice to see a different side to Shirley, Steve McFadden always knocks it out of the park and I like what they have done with him and Letitia. The Stacey storyline looks interesting and who'd ave thought Bonnie Langford would be so brilliant as Carmen, sorry Carmel.
The Kim Vincent stuff was boring, The Beale stuff is awful and if I here about Captain Beale or whatever it is again I will throw up! The Beale family are completely ruined. EE need to do something about the pacing, a 27 minute episode still feels like a lifetime.
Quite agree with Shirley being nice.
And Steve makes a great drunk. Not sure it's the storyline to have in the run up to Christmas though.
The Kim stuff with her MIL being a cow is just horrid. I don't like Claudette at all and the sooner she goes the better, but I do want the Aunt Sal story to come through and get rid of her.
The Beale stuff is building to the logical conclusion of all these months/years of waiting. Bobby's a bad boy and isn't getting better.
Rear window
04-12-2015, 09:42
I will focus on the positives first, nice to see a different side to Shirley, Steve McFadden always knocks it out of the park and I like what they have done with him and Letitia. The Stacey storyline looks interesting and who'd ave thought Bonnie Langford would be so brilliant as Carmen, sorry Carmel.
The Kim Vincent stuff was boring, The Beale stuff is awful and if I here about Captain Beale or whatever it is again I will throw up! The Beale family are completely ruined. EE need to do something about the pacing, a 27 minute episode still feels like a lifetime.
Quite agree with Shirley being nice.
And Steve makes a great drunk. Not sure it's the storyline to have in the run up to Christmas though.
The Kim stuff with her MIL being a cow is just horrid. I don't like Claudette at all and the sooner she goes the better, but I do want the Aunt Sal story to come through and get rid of her.
The Beale stuff is building to the logical conclusion of all these months/years of waiting. Bobby's a bad boy and isn't getting better.
did i miss too how kathy and jane became friends
parkerman
05-12-2015, 00:47
I'd be interested to know where they get those large banners made up in no time in Walford.....
flappinfanny
06-12-2015, 00:31
did i miss too how kathy and jane became friends
Like everything else, it happens off screen. :D
flappinfanny
06-12-2015, 00:42
Carmel is really saving EE at present. Nice to see Ann Mitchell again. The Christmas switch on with the Beales and the Carters was pretty naff and Elaine is getting on my nerves.
parkerman
06-12-2015, 19:13
When you think about it there are an inordinate amount of unpleasant people in Eastenders. Dean of course, with Shirley and Buster and also Denise, who believes Dean about the rape and has been unpleasant to Linda about it. There is also Gavin of course and Vincent. Vincent's mum doesn't appear to be a saint either. Ronnie, though she's slightly unhinged as well, so perhaps she has an excuse. Then we have Stacey and Kush, with what they've done to Shabs. Babe and Cora have their back stories still hanging over them while Ben and Abi are hardly a lovely couple what with Ben lying to Abi about his sexuality and Abi dobbing her dad in it. Talking of which there are also Ian, Jane, Phil, Sharon and Kathy as well as several off scene characters all happy to let Max rot in jail for a murder they know he didn't commit. Denny, well, he has been in the past, not sure about now. And finally, there is the Devil child himself, Bobby.
It's a good job we have salt of the earth, Mick Carter, to redeem Albert Square! Not to mention...Winston!
Rear window
06-12-2015, 19:42
and even Dot's been to prison!
maidmarian
06-12-2015, 20:50
and even Dot's been to prison!
I agree but think it applies to all soaps to
some extent.
Soaps have always had "villians" but they
stood out , viewers enjoyed their performance
but knew they were" bad'
Now its more general but not so well written
or acted. So there is a danger some will think
Its a norm!
We wouldnt want soap characters to be saints
-it would be unrealistic and boring but there
are good and interesting people in real life.
Nice to have a few of those!
I think my Pollyanna moment is passing off
now:)
mick should have put ian up the tree in a tutu
parkerman
07-12-2015, 17:30
I agree but think it applies to all soaps to
some extent.
Soaps have always had "villians" but they
stood out , viewers enjoyed their performance
but knew they were" bad'
Now its more general but not so well written
or acted. So there is a danger some will think
Its a norm!
We wouldnt want soap characters to be saints
-it would be unrealistic and boring but there
are good and interesting people in real life.
Nice to have a few of those!
I think my Pollyanna moment is passing off
now:)
My post above about all the unpleasant people in Eastenders really grew out of my continued irritation that Ian, Jane and Sharon in particular seem to have been completely rehabilitated into being "nice" people while Max is still in jail. I know they still have their "moments" but in general they are seen as fine members of the community. But they are not nice people at all!
maidmarian
07-12-2015, 18:03
My post above about all the unpleasant people in Eastenders really grew out of my continued irritation that Ian, Jane and Sharon in particular seem to have been completely rehabilitated into being "nice" people while Max is still in jail. I know they still have their "moments" but in general they are seen as fine members of the community. But they are not nice people at all!
Yes- thats true. Theres no real logic or
fairness to it!
I wonder how they will explain matters
when the truth comes out about Bobby-
If it ever does?
They knew and allowed Max to go to/
remain in Jail!!
parkerman
07-12-2015, 18:31
I'm still not clear how Jane wasn't charged with perjury after appearing as a witness for Max, giving him an alibi.
I'm still not clear how Jane wasn't charged with perjury after appearing as a witness for Max, giving him an alibi.
max was blamed and charged for this too
I'm still not clear how Jane wasn't charged with perjury after appearing as a witness for Max, giving him an alibi.
max was blamed and charged for this too
maidmarian
07-12-2015, 19:13
I'm still not clear how Jane wasn't charged with perjury after appearing as a witness for Max, giving him an alibi.
Its not a legal answer-but perhaps she
was just written off as someone not
"entirely responsible" and not worth
pursuit. Police dont always press charges
against all involved in a case and were
more bothered about "solving" the .murder.
Not really justice tho and if she had been
charged and stood trial - some of the truth
might have emerged -which might have
saved Max!
tammyy2j
07-12-2015, 21:29
I liked Vincent being honest with Kim, they are good together
I do think Claudette is lying about Vincent's dad being killed by Eric and as no body found he could be alive
I think Stacey wants the truth to come out, she wants Shabham despite being her best friend to find out presumably so Kush will end up with her and their baby :angry:
parkerman
07-12-2015, 22:21
A vote in the pub. Yes, that should certainly be binding on the whole community...
flappinfanny
07-12-2015, 23:28
I am wondering if Mr Hubbard is dead? The story is iffy.
Good bits tonight, Dot (for once) was funny. Kim was also very good in her scenes. The Beales are ruined. Elaine is a bit grating, I love Maria Friedman, I saw her in the West End a while ago at Drury Lane when she was in Witches of Eastwick and was outstanding. It is a very different technique on the stage to TV and continuing drama. Sadly Maria does not suit EastEnders.
I know we have the odd retcon in soap, but EE has become Retcon City. I am wondering if it is time for Treadwell-Collins and Lamb to be reined in a bit, for the sake and health of the show.
flappinfanny
07-12-2015, 23:30
I'm still not clear how Jane wasn't charged with perjury after appearing as a witness for Max, giving him an alibi.
It probably happened off screen. :)
why isn't vincent targetting all eric mitchell's kids and peggy for revenge, mama hubbard proving threatening and manipulative towards kim to keep her plan in place
When you think about it there are an inordinate amount of unpleasant people in Eastenders. Dean of course, with Shirley and Buster and also Denise, who believes Dean about the rape and has been unpleasant to Linda about it. There is also Gavin of course and Vincent. Vincent's mum doesn't appear to be a saint either. Ronnie, though she's slightly unhinged as well, so perhaps she has an excuse. Then we have Stacey and Kush, with what they've done to Shabs. Babe and Cora have their back stories still hanging over them while Ben and Abi are hardly a lovely couple what with Ben lying to Abi about his sexuality and Abi dobbing her dad in it. Talking of which there are also Ian, Jane, Phil, Sharon and Kathy as well as several off scene characters all happy to let Max rot in jail for a murder they know he didn't commit. Denny, well, he has been in the past, not sure about now. And finally, there is the Devil child himself, Bobby.
I totally agree, although I still find most of these extremely flawed characters watchable on the whole.
I stopped watching EE for about 18 months before DTC took over, mainly because I found the characters unbearably unpleasant. All the men were bullies and the women screeching harridans. I find most of them more likeable nowadays despite them all catching some kind of disease which has robbed them of any morals.
Hopefully, with the climaxes of the Bobby and rape storylines at Christmas, most of the characters in question will revert to type.
I liked Vincent being honest with Kim, they are good together
I like them together in their more serious scenes (like when discussing Vincent's father's death). It's a shame the writers again have Kim acting the fool most of the time, and I still don't find Vincent a convincing tough guy.
I do think Claudette is lying about Vincent's dad being killed by Eric and as no body found he could be alive
Yes, I bet there's more to the story than Claudette's telling Vincent.
dot should hold her auditions in community centre
flappinfanny
08-12-2015, 23:38
Denise was the best think about tonight's episode. Kamil is a star.
tammyy2j
09-12-2015, 11:51
Denise was the best think about tonight's episode. Kamil is a star.
I felt sad at Denise and Patrick's chat about it could be their last, did they mean in that house or is one leaving or dying
Elaine is so unlikeable this time around
storyseeker1
09-12-2015, 12:50
I felt sad at Denise and Patrick's chat about it could be their last, did they mean in that house or is one leaving or dying
Elaine is so unlikeable this time around
I know. She says that the reason why Janet couldn't be in the show was because of her age, but I don't know. After what happened with her comment about Tamwar, I'm starting to think of her as a complete prejudicist!
I know. She says that the reason why Janet couldn't be in the show was because of her age, but I don't know. After what happened with her comment about Tamwar, I'm starting to think of her as a complete prejudicist!
I agree, the anti_janet comment was obviously veiled that she thought a DS person wouldn't be 'up to the job'
and we have seen her racist side already
parkerman
10-12-2015, 20:21
I'm not sure I understand what is going on regarding Kim selling her half of the former B&B. I believe the two original houses were knocked into one, so for Kim to sell her half she would have to return the property to two separate properties. And this, I presume, is the reason that Denise and Patrick were talking about the money it would cost them in builders and decorators. But surely all that would be down to Kim to pay for?
Or am I missing something?
why did fatboy run to vincent, he gave ronnie the file, make up his mind he'd be better stearing clear of both
flappinfanny
10-12-2015, 22:37
Well all that business with Ronnie, Vincent and Phil was a load of old tosh.
The Janet scenes were cute but Elaine is really grating on me, if I were Dot I would give her a Glasgow Kiss.
Disgraceful that Ann Mitchell is nothing more than an extra now, Winston and Tracey have more scenes and lines and Mick if you really cared about Stan's memory, then you would not let Cora sleep in Arthur's potting shed and scavage like a dog for food.
I'm not sure I understand what is going on regarding Kim selling her half of the former B&B. I believe the two original houses were knocked into one, so for Kim to sell her half she would have to return the property to two separate properties. And this, I presume, is the reason that Denise and Patrick were talking about the money it would cost them in builders and decorators. But surely all that would be down to Kim to pay for?
I agree, I don't see how Kim could force Denise to pay half for work that's not essential. Also, surely Kim understands Denise's precarious financial situation and wouldn't do so even if she has the right.
Well all that business with Ronnie, Vincent and Phil was a load of old tosh.
Yes, the Vincent and Ronnie/Phil* feud is a load of old tosh lol, but I must admit to feeling gleeful that Ronnie got one over on Vincent. That's the spirited Ronnie I know and love! :cheer:
Didn't Bobby manipulate Jane like pro! I think many parents will recognise themselves in Jane giving in and buying him the bike out of guilt (I certainly do :o). I wonder if we're supposed to see Bobby's powers of manipulation as evidence he's a stone cold psychopath in the making?
Elliot Carrington who plays Bobby has certainly perfected the art of the evil expression. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Disgraceful that Ann Mitchell is nothing more than an extra now, Winston and Tracey have more scenes and lines and Mick if you really cared about Stan's memory, then you would not let Cora sleep in Arthur's potting shed and scavage like a dog for food.
I totally agree about Cora and the Carters, but I'm just glad the former's situation appears to be being addressed at last. It's been ignored by most of the square's residents for far too long. :angry:
I found I had something in my eye when Elaine told Janet she'd be playing the Angel Gabriel... :crying:
* Even though Phil's totally oblivious to the fact there is a feud. :D
flappinfanny
12-12-2015, 00:01
Line of the night goes to Kim:
"I would show you my downstairs but I've got the decorators in... It's very spacious though" :D
The rest of the ep was pretty poor to be fair. Denise was good, but Diane is good even with bad material.
I did have to smile at old Grandops Mitchell with the walking stick.
Memo to dear old Dom Treadwell-Collins, Richard Blackwood can't act. :)
tammyy2j
12-12-2015, 01:09
Libby knows more about Jordan
Line of the night goes to Kim:
"I would show you my downstairs but I've got the decorators in... It's very spacious though" :D
Masood's reaction to that line was very funny too. :rotfl:
Is a pig's head in a box the East End version of a horse's head in the bed? :D
Vincent has declared himself content to just be a husband and a father, and seems happy with his lot. Is this an example of the soap cliche that tragedy strikes those that are happy? Will it be him that dies on Christmas day? :ninja:
The police investigation into the Mitchells and organised crime makes more sense now we know they're after someone higher up the food chain than Phil. Could it be Gavin? I can't remember now, but are he and Kathy meant to have been living back in London for years?
I'd love to see Denise visit Lucas. However, if it goes ahead I think it'll happen off screen because I believe the actor is currently starring in Holby City. Whatever happens, it's looking as if bad boy Jordan will soon go and live with Denise and Patrick. I'm guessing he and Ben will be mortal enemies...
does tanya not know the state her mother is in, she would take her in with her
flappinfanny
14-12-2015, 23:22
does tanya not know the state her mother is in, she would take her in with her
You would think Abi would have told Tanya, but Abi is too busy being a Mitchell. :(
Ann Mitchell was the stand out actor tonight, her scenes in the Vic with Babe were outstanding. The Vincent stuff is laughable, that last scene was truly awful in terms of acting, but in a funny sort of way the worse it gets the more watchable it is. If that makes sense?
Are we going to get an eating disorder storyline for Linda now? How many more issues are we going to get thrown at the Carters? That storyline could have been given to another character in the show. Elaine is really grating on me now. I liked the storyline with Dot and Stacey with the Bible and Stacey reading it to Lilly.
Not a bad episode to start the week, far from perfect, but an improvement on last week.
yes was thinking bullima for linda or she is preggers again
is dexter and ava not in contact with cora either anymore
yes was thinking bullima for linda or she is preggers again
is dexter and ava not in contact with cora either anymore
parkerman
14-12-2015, 23:53
is dexter and ava not in contact with cora either anymore
It might be a bit difficult for Dexter and Ava to keep in touch with Cora as she doesn't have an address for them to write to and I can't imagine she has a mobile phone.
tammyy2j
15-12-2015, 00:44
I am sure Jane would have told Tanya about Cora if Abi isn't talking to her mother
I liked the scenes with Denise, Shirley and Kathy and Dot with Stacey
I thought Claudette knew Vincent was working with the police
yes was thinking bullima for linda or she is preggers again
It's not pregnancy because she made herself sick deliberately. Bulimia was my first thought too, but I hope it isn't that. She was worried about something during the entire episode. Maybe she took something she later regretted? Or she could have had a massive binge she desperately regretted of course...
Agreed FF - those scenes in the Hubbard house were cringe worthy... :wall:
I liked the scenes with Denise, Shirley and Kathy and Dot with Stacey
Yes, they were good scenes. I'm glad Shirley and Kathy seem to have talked Denise out of seeing Lucas. I wonder how she's going to find Jordan now?
tammyy2j
15-12-2015, 00:52
Yes, they were good scenes. I'm glad Shirley and Kathy seem to have talked Denise out of seeing Lucas. I wonder how she's going to find Jordan now?
I think through Libby, she knows more
Rear window
15-12-2015, 11:53
I did like the bible bit with Lily. Nice to redress the koran stuff from the other week. What next though?
parkerman
15-12-2015, 12:14
I did like the bible bit with Lily. Nice to redress the koran stuff from the other week. What next though?
What do you mean "redress the koran stuff"?
Rear window
15-12-2015, 13:13
What do you mean "redress the koran stuff"?
They did some lovely quotes from the koran a few weeks ago, so looking at the bible makes it a bit more balanced rather than just showing one faith on the show.
Rear window
15-12-2015, 13:13
What do you mean "redress the koran stuff"?
They did some lovely quotes from the koran a few weeks ago, so looking at the bible makes it a bit more balanced rather than just showing one faith on the show.
parkerman
15-12-2015, 13:30
They did some lovely quotes from the koran a few weeks ago, so looking at the bible makes it a bit more balanced rather than just showing one faith on the show.
I don't think you could accuse Eastenders of just showing Islam. Dot quotes the bible every episode!
Anyway, personally, I'm with Stacey.:)
Rear window
15-12-2015, 13:43
I don't think you could accuse Eastenders of just showing Islam. Dot quotes the bible every episode!
Anyway, personally, I'm with Stacey.:)
True! She doesn't sit there with a bible though reading bits though - it's all in her head learnt off by heart as is her character. The introduction of the actual book was new.
Rear window
15-12-2015, 13:43
I don't think you could accuse Eastenders of just showing Islam. Dot quotes the bible every episode!
Anyway, personally, I'm with Stacey.:)
True! She doesn't sit there with a bible though reading bits though - it's all in her head learnt off by heart as is her character. The introduction of the actual book was new.
and nots forget Zoe Slater quoting the 'bible' back at Dot that time.....
It might be a bit difficult for Dexter and Ava to keep in touch with Cora as she doesn't have an address for them to write to and I can't imagine she has a mobile phone.
if it were my gran or mother id have cops looking for her id be down asking everyone had they seen her not showing any care seems out of character for tanya and ava, jane or billy could mention them calling by telephone or visit looking for cora if actresses wont return
flappinfanny
15-12-2015, 23:24
Line of the night goes to Cora "Have I died and gone back in time?" Ann Mitchell is a class act. Nice scenes in Church with Dot and Stacey, but why could it not have been normal, going to see your child in the service, without stupid and outlandish plots, then again this is DTC's EE. :wall:
tammyy2j
15-12-2015, 23:26
Honey inviting Les to Christmas with Phil, isn't Billy to stay away from Phil and all the Mitchells for them to work as a couple back together
That was fast work getting Cora a flat
We are not seeing Linda eating before when she goes to the toilet
Now I know for sure the EE team are living in a fantasy the way they solved Cora's homelessness! If only the thousands of unfortunate people on our streets tonight knew it was so easy... :wall:
Also, they missed a trick by not really exploring Cora's state of mind. I kept expecting some insight but it never came.
I notice Linda disappeared to the loo again. However, I'm still not convinced about her suffering from bulimia because she's never been shown eating compulsively or hiding the evidence of a binge. I don't know what else her behaviour could mean though... :searchme:
parkerman
15-12-2015, 23:56
Now I know for sure the EE team are living in a fantasy the way they solved Cora's homelessness! If only the thousands of unfortunate people on our streets tonight knew it was so easy... :wall:
I know. That was just completely and absolutely ridiculous. I was figuratively jumping up and down hurling invectives at the telly. It just detracts from Cora's situation and the situation thousands of people like her find themselves in. As Dazzle says they could have explored Cora's mental state, but even if they didn't do that they could have explored the position homeless people find themselves in and actually how DIFFICULT it is to get somewhere to live. Instead of that they find a quick fix by blaming the Council and the individual head of the department who are probably having to work under very difficult circumstances with austerity cuts and the rest and by-pass the system just by a few people sitting down and a tweet. If only it was all that simple!
I know. That was just completely and absolutely ridiculous. I was figuratively jumping up and down hurling invectives at the telly. It just detracts from Cora's situation and the situation thousands of people like her find themselves in. As Dazzle says they could have explored Cora's mental state, but even if they didn't do that they could have explored the position homeless people find themselves in and actually how DIFFICULT it is to get somewhere to live. Instead of that they find a quick fix by blaming the Council and the individual head of the department who are probably having to work under very difficult circumstances with austerity cuts and the rest and by-pass the system just by a few people sitting down and a tweet. If only it was all that simple!
I completely agree with you! The whole thing makes me quite angry. If they couldn't do Cora's state of mind or the homelessness problem justice, they should never have tackled it in the first place. :angry:
I completely agree with you! The whole thing makes me quite angry. If they couldn't do Cora's state of mind or the homelessness problem justice, they should never have tackled it in the first place. :angry:
we saw awhile back Cora reacting quite angrily to offers of help and refusing when people offered her food or a bath etc, so there was a story behind her being on the streets (losing Stan, heartbreak, grief?) - but she is now offered a flat and all is ok?
Rear window
16-12-2015, 09:50
I thought all the church stuff was way too much. If they wanted Stacey to have a moment of reflection there must have been a different way. The 'Kris Kringle' service made me laugh cos that's what I thought she was saying.
I've always seen Dot's quoting bible references as a bit amusing (in a bizarre Monty Python old ladyesque way maybe) - having a deeply evil child it balanced that out - Her Nick being as near the antichrist as EE has got and yet she still was happy to quote turning the other cheek and suffering not the children.
The Cora storyline - she's clearly not coping and as with many people who become homeless it's not about just rehousing them they need lots of support and help else they just become homeless again. Again there's only so many issues a soap can deal with in any sort of depth without making it all a bit wishy-washy.
Rear window
16-12-2015, 09:50
I thought all the church stuff was way too much. If they wanted Stacey to have a moment of reflection there must have been a different way. The 'Kris Kringle' service made me laugh cos that's what I thought she was saying.
I've always seen Dot's quoting bible references as a bit amusing (in a bizarre Monty Python old ladyesque way maybe) - having a deeply evil child it balanced that out - Her Nick being as near the antichrist as EE has got and yet she still was happy to quote turning the other cheek and suffering not the children.
The Cora storyline - she's clearly not coping and as with many people who become homeless it's not about just rehousing them they need lots of support and help else they just become homeless again. Again there's only so many issues a soap can deal with in any sort of depth without making it all a bit wishy-washy.
if i remember cora moved after stan's death to live with tanya but did she ever leave the square?
i think cora living with carters at pub would have been rather interesting fighting with babe and elaine
if i remember cora moved after stan's death to live with tanya but did she ever leave the square?
i think cora living with carters at pub would have been rather interesting fighting with babe and elaine
There are a couple of organisations advertising on tv that for around £ 20 you can gift a homeless person a meal, shower, clean clothes, medical checks and help with finding homes and jobs .. I wonder how effective they are ..
if i remember cora moved after stan's death to live with tanya but did she ever leave the square?
i think cora living with carters at pub would have been rather interesting fighting with babe and elaine
no she 'said' she was going to Tanya's but never went, that's when she started living on the streets
ive donated to a few local homeless charities here, not a big amount, im a bit cautious of giving over stealing and fraud
i cant believe tanya especially wouldn't have came to find cora
ive donated to a few local homeless charities here, not a big amount, im a bit cautious of giving over stealing and fraud
i cant believe tanya especially wouldn't have came to find cora
we saw awhile back Cora reacting quite angrily to offers of help and refusing when people offered her food or a bath etc, so there was a story behind her being on the streets (losing Stan, heartbreak, grief?) - but she is now offered a flat and all is ok?
The Cora storyline - she's clearly not coping and as with many people who become homeless it's not about just rehousing them they need lots of support and help else they just become homeless again.
I agree with both these comments. To be fair to EE, since I last posted on the subject I've read there's still more to come with Cora's story, so I hope we're going to see her get ongoing support. I don't have much faith it'll be dealt with sensitively given how they wrote her getting a home, but EE have delivered on a couple of occasions recently (Shabnam's stillbirth and Les/Christine), so you never know.
no she 'said' she was going to Tanya's but never went, that's when she started living on the streets
I think Tanya was away at the time because she didn't answer her phone. It's strange how Tanya's part in this has been ignored. She could have been written into the storyline via phone calls to Abi without an appearance by Jo Joyner.
There are a couple of organisations advertising on tv that for around £ 20 you can gift a homeless person a meal, shower, clean clothes, medical checks and help with finding homes and jobs .. I wonder how effective they are ..
I've just a look online and Crisis have a "Reserve a Place at Christmas" appeal going at the moment:
£22.29 reserves one place at Crisis at Christmas and provides...
Welcoming support from people who really care
Three nutritious hot meals including Christmas dinner
The chance to shower and change clothes, have a haircut and get a health check
Expert advice on life-changing issues like housing and employment
An introduction to Crisis year-round services for training and support for the future
See more at: https://community.crisis.org.uk/reserve-a-place-general?attr1=tag|reserve&utm_source=shortcutreserve&utm_medium=crisis_website&utm_campaign=crisisatxmas
I'm going to donate to this appeal because Crisis is a well-respected homelessness charity. I hate to think of vulnerable people being cold and alone this Christmas. :(
maidmarian
16-12-2015, 22:24
I've just a look online and Crisis have a \\\"Reserve a Place at Christmas\\\" appeal going at the moment:
See more at: https://community.crisis.org.uk/reserve-a-place-general?attr1=tag|reserve&utm_source=shortcutreserve&utm_medium=crisis_website&utm_campaign=crisisatxmas (\\\"https://community.crisis.org.uk/reserve-a-place-general?attr1=tag|reserve&utm_source=shortcutreserve&utm_medium=crisis_website&utm_campaign=crisisatxmas\\\")
I'm going to donate to this appeal because Crisis is a well-respected homelessness charity. I hate to think of vulnerable people being cold and alone this Christmas. :(
thats a very good idea Dazzle.I think I will too.
The one thing that shocks me about homelessness
when I read about it- it hiw easily it can happen
to people who seem to have secure lives.
One thing goes wrong ( loose home or job)
and it snow balls from there.
Not everyone has a family who will.or
is able to help them when they have
problems!!
maidmarian
16-12-2015, 22:34
I've just a look online and Crisis have a \\"Reserve a Place at Christmas\\" appeal going at the moment:
See more at: https://community.crisis.org.uk/reserve-a-place-general?attr1=tag|reserve&utm_source=shortcutreserve&utm_medium=crisis_website&utm_campaign=crisisatxmas (\\"https://community.crisis.org.uk/reserve-a-place-general?attr1=tag|reserve&utm_source=shortcutreserve&utm_medium=crisis_website&utm_campaign=crisisatxmas\\")
I'm going to donate to this appeal because Crisis is a well-respected homelessness charity. I hate to think of vulnerable people being cold and alone this Christmas. :(
Yes Crisis is very reputable .I think.I will too.
When you read about people who have
become homeless and their stories it
is shocking how one thing in their lives
goes wrong and things snowball from
there. Their lives seem to have been
reasonably secure up to that point.
Very shocking how it can happen!
flappinfanny
17-12-2015, 20:14
:angry: We waited how long for this??? Wasn't worth opening the safe deposit box Stacey, unless of course mad Jean is telling more porkies? :wall:
:angry: We waited how long for this??? Wasn't worth opening the safe deposit box Stacey, unless of course mad Jean is telling more porkies? :wall:
I think she's likely telling the truth but hopefully there's a lot more to it. Fans have been speculating that Kyle is Stacey's half brother and it seems they were correct.
Jean was so annoying in Thursday's episode! While she and Stacey have had some very moving scenes in the past, she spends most of her time flapping and screeching. I find it incredibly irritating! I hope she's never made a regular character again.
I noticed Linda playing with her food during the family meal. Was it a clue to what's going on with her, or was it simply an understandable lack of appetite due to stress? I can't decide at this point.
Some fans are speculating Nancy will marry Tamwar and convert to Islam. I think that could be an interesting storyline and it would be good to see the pair get more screen time. Against my expectations, I think they work well as a couple.
Rear window
18-12-2015, 09:57
Jane's comment of it's nothing, just bruising is interesting. Has she suffered some sort of internal injury which will catch up with her?
I can't believe how many family meals the Carters have. It's like the pub runs itself without them.
Kush's 'doesn't everyone deserve the truth, no matter how hard' after he'd followed her without question. And then Shab's look as he continues after her when they come back. It's all slowly building to the truth coming out.
Rear window
18-12-2015, 09:57
Jane's comment of it's nothing, just bruising is interesting. Has she suffered some sort of internal injury which will catch up with her?
I can't believe how many family meals the Carters have. It's like the pub runs itself without them.
Kush's 'doesn't everyone deserve the truth, no matter how hard' after he'd followed her without question. And then Shab's look as he continues after her when they come back. It's all slowly building to the truth coming out.
parkerman
18-12-2015, 11:34
I can't believe how many family meals the Carters have. It's like the pub runs itself without them.
Good old Tracey, what would they do without her?
flappinfanny
18-12-2015, 23:51
A good episode from EE tonight, but hasn't the Linda eating disorder storyline come out of the blue and a little random. It's a bit hard to care about it when it has come from no where. However great performances from all concerned. I did think the Slater scenes were the best to be fair. Perhaps both storylines were a bit too much for one episode?
A good episode from EE tonight, but hasn't the Linda eating disorder storyline come out of the blue and a little random. It's a bit hard to care about it when it has come from no where.
There have been some subtle clues like Linda complaining about having a baby belly, but I think they were too subtle. I feel the signs should have been ramped up slowly and not just been evident during the last week. Maybe the writers wanted to keep us in the dark just like Mick was. People with eating disorders go to great lengths to hide them after all.
I must admit to some tears at Linda admitting to hating herself and her body. That rang very true to me.
I hope there's no miraculous recovery after a few counselling sessions, which is what has happened in every other soap eating disorder storyline I've witnessed.
However great performances from all concerned.
Agreed!
While I like the storyline of Stacey finding out her father had another family, the way it's been written has been extremely contrived. The letters, the safety deposit box and the mysterious key were all plot points to draw out the secret for as long as possible and don't really make much sense.
And what exactly was the point of having Kush there the whole time. Also very contrived! The duff duff could still have happened without him hanging around like a spare part during Jean's confession.
yes no need for kush in those scenes and this particular stacey storyline
good scenes between mick and linda and her explaining her past eating disorder
yes no need for kush in those scenes and this particular stacey storyline
good scenes between mick and linda and her explaining her past eating disorder
Rear window
19-12-2015, 09:12
But it did give Shabs the reason to look funny at him when he was still there...
Has it been totally proven that Kush is the father ? Or is it an assumption based on time factors ?:hmm:
Has it been totally proven that Kush is the father ? Or is it an assumption based on time factors ?:hmm:
dtc thinks kush as dad is better, don't see how myself
so far stacey going by her dates only proof
Has it been totally proven that Kush is the father ? Or is it an assumption based on time factors ?:hmm:
dtc thinks kush as dad is better, don't see how myself
so far stacey going by her dates only proof
Has it been totally proven that Kush is the father ? Or is it an assumption based on time factors ?:hmm:
Stacey does seem positive so I imagine the dates between her sleeping with Kush and Martin were far enough apart for her to have no doubt (I worked out it was possibly a month apart in a post I wrote a while back). Going by dates that we viewers can't be sure of does leave wiggle room though.
flappinfanny
20-12-2015, 16:57
dtc thinks kush as dad is better, don't see how myself
so far stacey going by her dates only proof
As we never saw them do the deed, as far as I am concerned they haven't. So much happens off screen these days, that soap seems better than the one I am watching. :p
tammyy2j
21-12-2015, 00:01
I would love Stacey to be wrong and have the baby be really Martin's, I liked him telling Jean, he would be Stacey's Brian
I found Jean very annoying with the reveal which was obvious but who cleaned out the safety deposit box, was it Sean or Kyle, Sean gave Stacey the key so must be Kyle or his mother or other siblings
tammyy2j
21-12-2015, 00:01
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I'd also like Stacey to be wrong and for Martin to be the baby's father after all. I'm going to hate seeing him hurt when he finds out the truth. :(
I think it was Kyle who emptied the safe deposit box because he was shown with the key during the Halloween episode.
did kyle have brian's key or his own key
flappinfanny
21-12-2015, 11:38
That's a good point, not sure?
It's getting very confusing.
menopausal barbie shirley about sharon :p hope little cute pearl is ok
could it be more serious like cervical cancer for shabs more suffering for her, did kush first wife die from cancer?
menopausal barbie shirley about sharon :p hope little cute pearl is ok
could it be more serious like cervical cancer for shabs more suffering for her, did kush first wife die from cancer?
Wonder if wee Pearl has been taken by Claudette or Phil ,hopefully just to see Santa at the Vic:..:hmm:
flappinfanny
21-12-2015, 23:01
Wonder if wee Pearl has been taken by Claudette or Phil ,hopefully just to see Santa at the Vic
That would be a good twist. Phil would not resort to kidnapping a little girl.
They seem to be focusing on Jane's accident a lot, perhaps for a reason on Christmas day? :hmm: Shabnam (Rakhee Thakrar ) is outstanding and easily EE best actor on the show. Her scenes were very moving.
A good start to the week, although where has Linda's eating disorder storyline gone to?
maidmarian
21-12-2015, 23:04
menopausal barbie shirley about sharon :p hope little cute pearl is ok
could it be more serious like cervical cancer for shabs more suffering for her, did kush first wife die from cancer?
Hope no more bad news for Shabs!
How old is Shirley ?? supposed to be.
flappinfanny
21-12-2015, 23:06
In her early 50's I think?
Claudette taking pearl to get vincent to retaliate and go after phil is likely, she does seem to pull his strings
I agree that Jane's injuries from the fall are being focused on a suspicious amount. I did think maybe she had quite a serious injury that would have further repercussions, but she's been examined by doctors now so it seems that won't happen. It's probably all going to come out in a huge showdown on Christmas Day.
Good thinking peeps that Phil hasn't really kidnapped Pearl. It seems highly out of character, although his ordeal at Gavin's hands (the whole story of which I don't believe we know) could have changed him I suppose. :searchme:
It might turn out that Shabnam will have difficulty getting pregnant again, causing her to obsess about Jade and/or Stacey's baby.
Hopefully Linda's feeling better having confided in Mick about the eating disorder, which has led to its temporarily weakening its hold over her. It would be ridiculous writing if it's miraculously healed... :wall:
storyseeker1
22-12-2015, 01:02
My money's on Kyle. If it had been Sean then why would he have given Stacey the key in the first place?
Well, looks like Stacey lucked out in avoiding telling Shabs the truth...again. Ever notice that when some characters are about to tell someone a shocking truth, something happens that stops it?
storyseeker1
22-12-2015, 01:20
Good thinking peeps that Phil hasn't really kidnapped Pearl. It seems highly out of character, although his ordeal at Gavin's hands (the whole story of which I don't believe we know) could have changed him I suppose.
Normally I would agree, as Phil never struck me as the kidnapping type, however, he has changed a lot in the last months. Being kidnapped, dealing with the stress of it, and alcohol will do that to you. Actually, just the alcohol will do that. I've read and seen a lot of dramas about people dealing with drinking, and how they use it as an excuse to do a lot of bad things. Plus, this wouldn't be the first time. Remember the time when Phil was on drugs, and he ended up burning the Vic down? He turned against his own mom, burned down her home, and despite the whole place being up in flames, he still kept trying to steal the money out of the till. (I know drugs isn't alcohol, but it's still an addiction, the same as any other.) Personally, I doubt there's anything that Phil wouldn't do.
I've been thinking up theories on the upcoming storyline with Phil's daughter Louise. Now, Phil is to be diagnosed with Cirrhosis of the Liver, and Louise is meant to be making an appearance early next year. I'm guessing the 2 stories will be connected somehow. I've looked up the disease, and some of the possible treatments is a transplant, which "involves removing a segment of liver from a healthy living donor and implanting it into a recipient. Both the donor and recipient liver segments will grow to normal size in a few weeks". Maybe Louise is a compatible donor, and she saves his life by donating part of her liver?
I like the theory of Louise being brought back as a liver donor, although I'm not sure a fourteen year old would be allowed to do so (we've been discussing on another thread that donating part of your liver is dangerous). She'd certainly need her mother's permission (and Lisa despises Phil).
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
if vincent is eric's son him or grant to donate to save phil, i would think an older person's liver would be better, nearer victim's age
Googled this and found:
Donors must be less than 55 years old, because the liver doesn't grow back as well in older people.
No doubt, older donors have been used successfully too though
Rear window
22-12-2015, 07:45
I agree that Jane's injuries from the fall are being focused on a suspicious amount. I did think maybe she had quite a serious injury that would have further repercussions, but she's been examined by doctors now so it seems that won't happen. It's probably all going to come out in a huge showdown on Christmas Day.
But Sharon needs to be talking about how Bobby pushed Jane down the stairs and mentioning he killed Lucy so that Dennis can overhear ...
I thought we got to the stage where Bobby and denny both had new bikes for Xmas, and in trying to out do each other Denny has an accident (or Bobby causes one)
this is when Sharon goes mad and starts saying Bobby is a danger etc?
that could be when it comes to light?
denny tells bobby he killed lucy as he overhears
parkerman
22-12-2015, 18:23
denny tells bobby he killed lucy as he overhears
Isn't this a spoiler?
Isn't this a spoiler?
yes it is im sorry
Isn't this a spoiler?
yes it is im sorry
So, correct me if I'm wrong, a drunken Phil takes Pearl , gives her to Honey to look after , who appears to have accepted this event as perfectly OK ! Honey then hides Pearl behind a side screen. Leaves Pearl unattended whilst she watches the children on stage. Then to cap it all when confronted by Kim says "I know I'm not the best child minder in the world" :wall:
Secondly, what was all the whispering about whilst Martin was talking to Stacey , thought the sound had gone mute on the TV.
tammyy2j
22-12-2015, 21:12
So, correct me if I'm wrong, a drunken Phil takes Pearl , gives her to Honey to look after , who appears to have accepted this event as perfectly OK ! Honey then hides Pearl behind a side screen. Leaves Pearl unattended whilst she watches the children on stage. Then to cap it all when confronted by Kim says "I know I'm not the best child minder in the world" :wall:
Secondly, what was all the whispering about whilst Martin was talking to Stacey , thought the sound had gone mute on the TV.
Honey was previously telling Billy not to have anything to do with the Mitchells but she takes baby Pearl from drunk Phil :thumbsdow
I really like this new Martin and poor him when he discovers the truth and I think Stacey does want Kush to tell Shabham despite her protests
Why is Linda trying to unite Mick and Shirley :nono:
Jade is a great well played by the actress
Is Shabham and Massods completely staying away from Jade
I too still don't understand why Linda is going overboard to bring Mick and Shirley together. Jade has been well casted . No recognition by Jade of Shabnam in the café. Can't blame Jade really.
tammyy2j
22-12-2015, 21:41
I too still don't understand why Linda is going overboard to bring Mick and Shirley together. Jade has been well casted . No recognition by Jade of Shabnam in the café. Can't blame Jade really.
They waved at each other
They waved at each other
Must have missed that bit, pleased they're keeping a good relationship.:)
flappinfanny
22-12-2015, 23:24
Best bit of tonight's episode was Jade, Shabnam and Phil. Steve McFadden is quite brilliant as an alcoholic and is also very funny. I was smiling when he was winding up Vincent. Richard Blackwood cannot play tough, he just make's me laugh out loud for all the wrong reasons, saying that an enjoyable episode, even with a pretty poor script and some dodgy acting.
Best bit of tonight's episode was Jade, Shabnam and Phil. Steve McFadden is quite brilliant as an alcoholic and is also very funny. I was smiling when he was winding up Vincent. Richard Blackwood cannot play tough, he just make's me laugh out loud for all the wrong reasons, saying that an enjoyable episode, even with a pretty poor script and some dodgy acting.
It was an enjoyable episode. Mad, drunk Phil is always entertaining and Steve McFadden makes Phil's inhuman invincibility almost believable. His gleefulness had me in stitches, especially his "don't let the door bang on your way out" in reply to Sharon's umpteenth threat to leave. If she doesn't leave now she never will... :wall:
Jade's a real natural and I hope we see lots more of her.
Agreed Linda trying to mend Mick and Shirley's relationship is inexplicable, especially because Shirley's manner is as aggressive as ever towards her.
Martin's certainly changed in the year or so he's been back. He started off as an unreliable, laddish mess and is now the perfect partner and father. Just in time to wring every ounce of our sympathy for when he discovers the awful truth.
It was strange how Vincent appeared to believe Phil straight away about his father being alive. No matter how convincing he found Phil (who wasn't that convincing because he was too busy laughing :D), you'd think he'd at least question the assertion that his dad did a runner. After all, he's presumably had decades of Claudette bemoaning her husband's murder at the hands of Eric. Instead, he deflated like a balloon at the news. :hmm:
storyseeker1
23-12-2015, 01:48
It was strange how Vincent appeared to believe Phil straight away about his father being alive. No matter how convincing he found Phil (who wasn't that convincing because he was too busy laughing :D), you'd think he'd at least question the assertion that his dad did a runner. After all, he's presumably had decades of Claudette bemoaning her husband's murder at the hands of Eric. Instead, he deflated like a balloon at the news. :hmm:
Considering he was promising his mom to kill Phil by the end of the next day, I'm not sure we should believe Vincent's seeming acceptance of Phil's story.
Ronnie's due to make a decision of which family to back up tomorrow; the Mitchells or the Hubbards. Considering Phil is due to have a storyline involving his liver, I'm guessing Ronnie is gonna choose to stick with her family. Pity, as I would have enjoyed her finally realising what a no-hope Phil is, and teamed up with Vincent. Seriously, what's Phil got to do before people finally click on to what a scumbag he is??? I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Considering he was promising his mom to kill Phil by the end of the next day, I'm not sure we should believe Vincent's seeming acceptance of Phil's story.
I don't know, the fight totally went out of Vincent when Phil said his father had done a runner. Surely he would have protested if he didn't believe it? I took the promise to kill Phil as long-standing hatred exacerbated by Pearl's kidnap - and also probably because he can't stand the humiliation of being "owned" by a petty thug like Phil.
It also may be that he believed it at the time, but has now got his fight back and dismissed it as lies.
However, I might be completely wrong; I frequently am. :o
Seriously, what's Phil got to do before people finally click on to what a scumbag he is??? I hope he gets his comeuppance.
Phil will never completely get his comeuppance unless Steve decides to leave EE for good. Bully boy Phil Mitchell is too good value as a soap character we love to hate to keep down for long. Like him or loathe him, Phil nearly always manages to keep us glued to the screen. Plus, Steve can make Phil vulnerable and even compassionate when needed, so he's not a one dimensional panto villain. Although I dislike the character of Phil, I love watching him (and occasionally even find myself rooting for him despite myself :o).
Saying that, he is supposed to have suffered horribly at the hands of Gavin, which is why he's such a mess now. I see his his reckless taunting of Vincent as that of a man who feels he has nothing left to lose - which means he's broken inside.
Sharon certainly saw him for the thug he is tonight, but sadly she's become his doormat. I'd love to see Sharon permanently gain the upper hand in their relationship!
storyseeker1
23-12-2015, 03:37
Phil will never completely get his comeuppance unless Steve decides to leave EE for good. Bully boy Phil Mitchell is too good value as a soap character we love to hate to keep down for long. Like him or loathe him, Phil nearly always manages to keep us glued to the screen. Plus, Steve can make Phil vulnerable and even compassionate when needed, so he's not a one dimensional panto villain. Although I dislike the character of Phil, I love watching him (and occasionally even find myself rooting for him despite myself :o).
Yeah, I guess. I do admit that I like watching him, too. Still, he is due to have that liver thing in a few weeks time, so I guess that will have to do as comeuppance for now. It might be especially traumatic for Phil, as he's a man used to getting his own way and beating everyone to get it. But the liver thing, that's not something his fists can help him with. When a person gets sick, it's like they're betrayed by their own body, and they feel helpless and weak. For a man like Phil, that sounds like a fate worse than death. And the fact that he caused it with his drinking, he'll have no one to blame except himself (except maybe Gavin).
Sharon certainly saw him for the thug he is tonight, but sadly she's become his doormat. I'd love to see Sharon permanently gain the upper hand in their relationship!
Ugh, don't talk to me about Sharon. I'm sick to death of her. She said so herself that Gavin was scum, and he's the main reason why Phil is the way he is, yet she still helped him and even gave him money to boot! Phil's drinking is totally out of control, and she's been through it herself with her mom, yet instead of giving him help or turning her back on him for the sake of her son, she has a drink with him! He kidnapped a baby, threatened Vincent and Kim, and she's still with him! It's like you said; she's a complete and utter doormat!
jay knew what to say to get round phil, build him up as the big man
It'll be interesting to see if what's coming up for Phil permanently changes him. For those who haven't been watching EE that long, Phil hasn't always been as nasty as he is now. In fact, out of the two Mitchell brothers, he was the nicer one and Grant the thug.
jay knew what to say to get round phil, build him up as the big man
Yes, I was impressed with the way Jay handled Phil.
maidmarian
23-12-2015, 20:29
It'll be interesting to see if what's coming up for Phil permanently changes him. For those who haven't been watching EE that long, Phil hasn't always been as nasty as he is now. In fact, out of the two Mitchell brothers, he was the nicer one and Grant the thug.
Yes, I was impressed with the way Jay handled Phil.
I thought that Grants temper and recurrent
nighmares were put down to War Service.
I remember Arfurs expression when they first
revved their way into the Square. I thought he
was going to collapse with shock!!i
Phil certainly looked different when he had hair-
in the early days. I did post a few weeks ago about
Phil looking " romantic":heart: on the banks of the
Seine wthen he first got together with Kathy. But
no sure if that was with or without hair!:hmm:
It would be good &ironic -if Jay wss the one who
brought Phil to some normality.
Still mulling over the unknown part of Gavins
plans/mind games for Phil!
fatboy signing his own death warrant
maidmarian
23-12-2015, 20:38
dupl
maidmarian
23-12-2015, 20:46
fatboy signing his own death warrant
Oh dear- missed that!!
oh mick what a gent and friend naming his goose after ian's murdered daughter lucy
So Bobby's graduated to torturing animals. There can no longer be any doubt that he's a stone cold psychopath (in the true sense of the word) and not just a boy with serious anger management problems. :eek:
Poor spider... :(
fatboy signing his own death warrant
Just what I was thinking.
If he's going to be the death on Christmas Day (which is looking a distinct possibility), why announce the actor's leaving? On the other hand, it could be a well thought out red herring.
oh mick what a gent and friend naming his goose after ian's murdered daughter lucy
I think Mick was probably calling her "Goosey Loosey", who's a character from a children's story. It has rather a tragic end as Goosey Loosey and friends end up being eaten by a fox! It's scarred me for life! :crying:
http://eleaston.com/chicken.html
didn't know the story thought mick called her lucy
why was vincent throwing a party for the mitchells with patrick, donna and denise
didn't know the story thought mick called her lucy
why was vincent throwing a party for the mitchells with patrick, donna and denise
why was vincent throwing a party for the mitchells with patrick, donna and denise
I think it was mentioned it was a party for the Albert staff (and presumably their families), although I didn't notice anyone but Mitchell and Hubbard families there.
parkerman
24-12-2015, 00:06
why was vincent throwing a party for the mitchells with patrick, donna and denise
To get the Mitchells out the house so he could do Phil in?
flappinfanny
24-12-2015, 00:09
A bit of a mixed bag, plenty going on, what lets EE down are the poor scripts. I wish Shabnam had not made it up with Stacey. I cheered when Shabs put Stacey in her place. Why is Linda being so nice to Shirley? The storyline with Shirley having to eat two Christmas dinner's is a plot nicked from the Vicar of Dibley. I could kick Elaine's derriere all the way to the West End. :wall: I wish the part of Vincent was being played by Idris Elba, but I dare say he wouldn't touch it with a barge poll.
Best bit of the episode was Shabnam and Phil.
tammyy2j
24-12-2015, 01:29
I think it was mentioned it was a party for the Albert staff (and presumably their families), although I didn't notice anyone but Mitchell and Hubbard families there.
Yes I thought he said the same
I don't understand why Ben, Abi and Jay were there, they don't work in The Albert
I didn't find Mick and the goose funny which I assume it was to be
Sharon staying still with Phil, did she even hear him during Vincent's confrontation
Arthur Brian Slater Fowler is nice if only the baby was Martin's
To get the Mitchells out the house so he could do Phil in?
also and why is vincent telling his plans to fatboy
To get the Mitchells out the house so he could do Phil in?
also and why is vincent telling his plans to fatboy
flappinfanny
24-12-2015, 10:46
Seeing Mick with Goosey Gander and the thought of Babes chestnut stuffing is enough to turn you veggie. I am glad Gander got away. :cheer:
I agree it was meant to be funny, but it wasn't.
looking likely fatboy is the death, his dot scene made it more obvious
Who is in the boot of the car?
Also Jack is back, what huge surprise, they kept that one quiet.
Who is in the boot of the car?
Also Jack is back, what huge surprise, they kept that one quiet.
back to help ronnie with vincent
Who is in the boot of the car?
Also Jack is back, what huge surprise, they kept that one quiet.
back to help ronnie with vincent
Rear window
24-12-2015, 21:16
Poor Shabs .. That was heartbreaking to see her realise.
Poor Shabs .. That was heartbreaking to see her realise.
It was :'( she's really lovely and I felt so sorry for her it actually made me feel like crying too. :( But I also felt sad for Kush, he's lovely too and it must be hard for him knowing that's his son and there's not much he can do. :'(
I just really hope they can work through it and don't split up, I love Kush and Shabs together.
parkerman
24-12-2015, 22:44
looking likely fatboy is the death, his dot scene made it more obvious
I thought tonight's episode made it LESS likely that Fatboy is the death. Is that not him gone now?
On a different note, if Sharon goes to the police and tells them all about Bobby, won't that be the end of Eastenders? I mean practically the whole cast will be in jail for perverting the course of justice.
P.S. And another thing, what's happened to Honey's famous malapropisms?
long shot but is jay in the car boot and he ends up paralyzed, his big story, the death could be returnee jack back to help scatter jim's ashes and take on bobby beale
flappinfanny
24-12-2015, 23:42
A great duff duff. Jack .
The Shabnam scenes were heartbreaking. The nativity and Stacey's birth was a bit cringey, but with it being Christmas Eve I will let them off.
Is it too obvious Vincent is in the boot? Interesting Abi Lorna Fitzgerald has said tomorrows death is a real tear jerker and very sad, so I can't see it being Vincent? Surely that would be a celebration. :clap:
I still think it could be fatboy? Some how he gets in the way of things between the Mitchells and the Hubbards, or sees Vincent in trouble and tries to help him? but then again I could be completely barking up the wrong tree?
Poor Shabs .. That was heartbreaking to see her realise.
carmel with her k blanket gift not suspicious at all
Poor Shabs .. That was heartbreaking to see her realise.
carmel with her k blanket gift not suspicious at all
Jack!!! :eek: DTC sure likes his OMG moments. :D
back to help ronnie with vincent
That seems likely but who called him? Ronnie appeared completely shocked to see him so I don't think it was her. It was good to see Jack even though I was never a particular fan of the character. I wonder how long he's sticking around for?
Is it too obvious Vincent is in the boot? Interesting Abi Lorna Fitzgerald has said tomorrows death is a real tear jerker and very sad, so I can't see it being Vincent? Surely that would be a celebration. :clap:
I think it is too obvious. Could it be Claudette? And yes, I'd be celebrating if the death is Vincent! :D
II still think it could be fatboy? Some how he gets in the way of things between the Mitchells and the Hubbards, or sees Vincent in trouble and tries to help him? but then again I could be completely barking up the wrong tree?
I don't think we can completely rule out the death being Fatboy because we weren't actually shown him leaving the square. Lorna Fitzgerald saying it'll be a tearjerker makes it sound like the death of an innocent.
It was actually going through my mind watching the episode that Jane might kill Sharon to stop her going to the police. It seems almost as if she'd do anything to protect Bobby. However, I'm pretty certain Sharon will never be killed off.
I agree with you all that Shabnam's realisation of the baby's paternity was heartbreaking, especially with the carol playing to add to the atmosphere. It was a very well done scene.
I can't wait for the Christmas Day episodes! :thumbsup:
storyseeker1
25-12-2015, 08:40
I've watched a lot of shows, so I know better than to believe it when a victim or culprit seems too obvious. But then again, EE aren't that creative, so chances are the guy in the car is Vincent.
Still, it would make an excellent storyline. Ronnie hired some guys to take Vincent out, but they screwed up and ended getting Fatboy instead. Then she has to live with the fact that she helped kill Fatboy.
MERRY XMAS EVERYONE
parkerman
25-12-2015, 09:13
I can think of only one person who would provoke a universal tearjerk reaction if he were to be killed.
Winston
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
Rear window
25-12-2015, 09:27
Still, it would make an excellent storyline. Ronnie hired some guys to take Vincent out, but they screwed up and ended getting Fatboy instead. Then she has to live with the fact that she helped kill Fatboy.
It was her MO the car being crushed with someone in the boot.
Rear window
25-12-2015, 09:27
Still, it would make an excellent storyline. Ronnie hired some guys to take Vincent out, but they screwed up and ended getting Fatboy instead. Then she has to live with the fact that she helped kill Fatboy.
It was her MO the car being crushed with someone in the boot.
Still, it would make an excellent storyline. Ronnie hired some guys to take Vincent out, but they screwed up and ended getting Fatboy instead. Then she has to live with the fact that she helped kill Fatboy.
That's a good idea!
It was her MO the car being crushed with someone in the boot.
Funny you should mention that! The trailer at the end of last night's episode showed Vincent's car about to be crushed! :eek:
Merry Christmas!
jack may know vincent, grass and former old bill bound to have crossed paths
parkerman
25-12-2015, 12:31
I can see the reasoning behind the idea of the well loved character being killed of being Fatboy, but I feel it would be a bit of a cop out in the sense that he was leaving anyway, so we would not be losing a well loved character from the show because of it.
Oh well, not long to go before we find out.....
Rear window
25-12-2015, 13:48
I can see the reasoning behind the idea of the well loved character being killed of being Fatboy, but I feel it would be a bit of a cop out in the sense that he was leaving anyway, so we would not be losing a well loved character from the show because of it.
Oh well, not long to go before we find out.....
Longer for me... We will be at the MIL's still and EE isn't going to be allowed on.
Rear window
25-12-2015, 13:48
I can see the reasoning behind the idea of the well loved character being killed of being Fatboy, but I feel it would be a bit of a cop out in the sense that he was leaving anyway, so we would not be losing a well loved character from the show because of it.
Oh well, not long to go before we find out.....
Longer for me... We will be at the MIL's still and EE isn't going to be allowed on.
Longer for me... We will be at the MIL's still and EE isn't going to be allowed on.
Make sure you stay away from here after the episode's been aired so you don't see any spoilers. :)
Rear window
25-12-2015, 14:06
Make sure you stay away from here after the episode's been aired so you don't see any spoilers. :)
I won't have any internet with me either so no chance of seeing this either!
(Yes no internet and no EE!)
Rear window
25-12-2015, 14:06
dup
I won't have any internet with me either so no chance of seeing this either!
(Yes no internet and no EE!)
Ouch!
I won't have any internet with me either so no chance of seeing this either!
(Yes no internet and no EE!)
Could cope without EE but days without internet :eek: :crying:
Wait, Ian hasn't bought Jane a new car has he?
Just brush the bad memories associated with the old one under the carpet why don't you..
Someone actually allowed Jade to reside in the same house as Dean and Shirley?!
did gavin do something to phil's land rover
so is it fats dead in the boot or will denny die
did gavin do something to phil's land rover
so is it fats dead in the boot or will denny die
Rear window
25-12-2015, 22:11
Have watched it!
Phil is probably not going to make a transplant list if he keeps drinking.
Not sure how much further they can take the bobby story now that even bobby knows. He will need therapy even more now.
Rear window
25-12-2015, 22:11
Dupe.
xx_Dan_xx
25-12-2015, 23:09
My money is on Vincent's mum being in the car. She hasnt been seen all day however I dont see why some men would take her over Vincent which could mean it was Fatboy. I dont see Fats being killed off doing much for the Hubbard v Mitchell war but Mrs Hubbard would heat things up a bit,
tammyy2j
25-12-2015, 23:19
Carmel is really annoying me with her gift to Stacey's baby and wanting to hold the baby, she may as well wear a sign that Kush is the father as she is making it very obvious :angry:
Why didn't Abi go scather Jim's ashes or does she not count herself Branning anymore
Rakhee is playing an absolute blinder as Shabham also so is Eliot Carrington
For some reason I felt tonight's was a live episode the way it was filmed, I must be honest though I was expecting more not sure what exactly :o
Good to have Jack back, I assume he is living in his or Max's house or is he with Dot?
Fatboy has the fear of small confined spaces so him trapped in the car boot again seems obvious so hope I'm wrong but who else could it be, Charlie back by Vincent? Why couldn't Fatboy or whomever is in the boot scream out to Ronnie he isn't Vincent or was his mouth tapped close?
Gavin comes and goes freely in Mitchell house and no one sees him
I thought both Ian and Phil would be breath analysed over the crash and have their seat belt marks on them so the police could tell who was driving
parkerman
25-12-2015, 23:35
Carmel is really annoying me with her gift to Stacey's baby and wanting to hold the baby, she may as well wear a sign that Kush is the father as she is making it very obvious :angry:
Why didn't Abi go scather Jim's ashes or does she not count herself Branning anymore
Rakhee is playing an absolute blinder as Shabham also so is Eliot Carrington
For some reason I felt tonight's was a live episode the way it was filmed, I must be honest though I was expecting more not sure what exactly :o
Good to have Jack back, I assume he is living in his or Max's house or is he with Dot?
Fatboy has the fear of small confined spaces so him trapped in the car boot again seems obvious so hope I'm wrong but who else could it be, Charlie back by Vincent? Why couldn't Fatboy or whomever is in the boot scream out to Ronnie he isn't Vincent or was his mouth tapped close?
Gavin comes and goes freely in Mitchell house and no one sees him
I thought both Ian and Phil would be breath analysed over the crash and have their seat belt marks on them so the police could tell who was driving
Your trouble tammy is that you think Eastenders should make sense and be set in the real world.
tammyy2j
25-12-2015, 23:40
Your trouble tammy is that you think Eastenders should make sense and be set in the real world.
Yes I should think I am watching a sitcom or panto not a soap drama :p
flappinfanny
26-12-2015, 00:31
Yes I should think I am watching a sitcom or panto not a soap drama :p
Oh no you shouldn't. :D
I can't make up my mind about tonights ep. I think I was soaped out by the time EE came on, as I had watched two hours of the Northern Soaps on the other side. EE imo was the best soap tonight.
The dream sequence at the start was clever. Denise had the line of the night: 'Well I ain't waitin for my Christmas dinner for no one.' A woman after my own heart. :)
A lot of good bits tonight from Shabnam, Stacey, Phil and Sharon. Letitia was on form tonight. Denny make me laugh when he mimed the hang man to Damian Bobby.
I can't make up my mind who is in the boot, I still think it could be Fatboy? Maybe this is a red herring and who ever is in the boot gets out before the car is crushed and the death is somebody else, like a major character like Jane? :hmm:
If I was rating the ep I would give it 8/10.
what present did mick give shirley
It was a good episode but not spectacular. It'll be easier to judge once we've seen tomorrow's and find out who dies. I don't think Dennis will die as he's an important future character, and I agree with you all that it's likely Fatboy or Claudette in the boot. Or of course it could be someone else entirely that dies.
It's possible Bobby could react extremely badly when Ian's confession has sunk in and that someone will meet their maker as a result. I think Jane's the likeliest big character death as it would be karma and bring the Bobby story to a close (I doubt Ian would cover up another death at Bobby's hands).
I hope the much hyped death won't turn out to be a cop out after all! :thumbsdow
I enjoyed seeing Gavin again. What's with him and Sharon sending loving messages to one another? Is he playing her to keep her onside? :hmm:
News of his possible death in the near future hasn't stopped Phil drinking (yet anyway). I sympathise with real alcoholics (or any addict) who can't control their compulsion even when facing sickness and death, but I can't bring myself to feel any pity for thuggish Phil.
It's very sad to see Stacy becoming paranoid and losing touch with reality. Shabnam appears to have believed her for now that Kush isn't the daddy.
Ive not read any spoilers, but I also think its fatboyin the boot, but does Ronnie call off the car crusher in time?
Re the Beales, Im guessing Dennies head injury will make him forget the fact Bobby did it and Sharon wont tell the police, but who does depart? Jack came back very suspiciously?
How is Dean not tottally barred from the Vic?
Stacy off her meds with the thickest dullest bloke on the street is sad to watch. Martin down the pub while she is clearly unwell sums the plonker up. Well crafted IMO.
Looking forward to tonights epp.
Ive not read any spoilers, but I also think its fatboyin the boot, but does Ronnie call off the car crusher in time?
Re the Beales, Im guessing Dennies head injury will make him forget the fact Bobby did it and Sharon wont tell the police, but who does depart? Jack came back very suspiciously?
How is Dean not tottally barred from the Vic?
Stacy off her meds with the thickest dullest bloke on the street is sad to watch. Martin down the pub while she is clearly unwell sums the plonker up. Well crafted IMO.
Looking forward to tonights epp.
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 09:29
Ive not read any spoilers, but I also think its fatboyin the boot, but does Ronnie call off the car crusher in time?
Re the Beales, Im guessing Dennies head injury will make him forget the fact Bobby did it and Sharon wont tell the police, but who does depart? Jack came back very suspiciously?
How is Dean not tottally barred from the Vic?
Stacy off her meds with the thickest dullest bloke on the street is sad to watch. Martin down the pub while she is clearly unwell sums the plonker up. Well crafted IMO.
Looking forward to tonights epp.
I doubt it, as EE said that a character would be "killed" off. But then again, never take anything they say literally, as they're always open to misinterpretation. It seems, though, that what I said previously about the guy being in the car being Fatboy and everything is true, and it looks like Ronnie will have to live with the fact that she killed him. With any luck, maybe this will wake her up to how loco she's become, and get her the help she need. But since this is EE, I doubt it.
I will look forward to it, though, when/if she finds out that the person she's killed is actually Fatboy (if it is him).
I am so sick of the Bobby storyline now. I hope they're not gonna drag it on any further.
I thought Dean was barred tbh. But I imagine that wouldn't stop him from going into the pub whenever he wants. It's not like they've got a security detail that can stop him from opening the door.
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 09:34
You have to admire Gavin at coming to Phil's house himself. The guy's crazy, but he's got guts. I wonder if he does feel anything for Sharon, or if he's just using her.
Rear window
26-12-2015, 10:29
You have to admire Gavin at coming to Phil's house himself. The guy's crazy, but he's got guts. I wonder if he does feel anything for Sharon, or if he's just using her.
He bought her a watch. Will we see her wearing it?
It's a bit odd as he's a wanted man isn't he?
Rear window
26-12-2015, 10:29
You have to admire Gavin at coming to Phil's house himself. The guy's crazy, but he's got guts. I wonder if he does feel anything for Sharon, or if he's just using her.
He bought her a watch. Will we see her wearing it?
It's a bit odd as he's a wanted man isn't he?
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 11:24
SMALL SPOILER
Just looked at the trailer for tonight. Doesn't give any clues as to who's in the car, but whoever it is, Vincent is devastated. He stops the car from being trashed, opens it up, and has a look of horror on him. That might mean that the body could be that of Claudette, but I just can't imagine how it could be her. I mean, Ronnie asked whoever to get Vincent, and I can understand how they could mess it up by getting the wrong bloke if they've never met the guy, but no way could they mistake Claudette for Vincent. Unless...someone else bribed them to get her instead?!
I fear it is Fatboy as he sadly got the boot, great character and fantastic chemistry with Dot. :(
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 14:17
I hope Ronnie goes mad with guilt! :angry:
parkerman
26-12-2015, 14:24
I hope Ronnie goes mad with guilt! :angry:
Ronnie is already mad.
Just out of interest with the speculation about who might be killed off. The Radio Times cast list for 2 - 8 January includes Jane and Bobby but not Denny, Claudette or Vincent (or Fatboy of course).
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 14:29
Ronnie is already mad.
Just out of interest with the speculation about who might be killed off. The Radio Times cast list for 2 - 8 January includes Jane and Bobby but not Denny, Claudette or Vincent (or Fatboy of course).
Sounds nasty, but then again it just might mean that they don't intend to film their characters during that time. Sometimes EE takes breaks between storylines. And I think they might focus more on the Carters, with Mick and Linda's wedding, as well as Stacey's storyline of her going nuts etc.
parkerman
26-12-2015, 18:16
Sounds nasty, but then again it just might mean that they don't intend to film their characters during that time. Sometimes EE takes breaks between storylines. And I think they might focus more on the Carters, with Mick and Linda's wedding, as well as Stacey's storyline of her going nuts etc.
That week is going to concentrate on the Slaters/Moons.
xx_Dan_xx
26-12-2015, 18:25
I don't think they're going to kill Denny off after a recent recast.
Welcome to Soapboards, Splashy :)
as predicted it was fats, driving vincent's car why?
boarding school ian's answer to help bobby
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 20:03
SPOILER
Another disappointing episode. Why is it everyone gets away with everything on EE??? Seriously, I was eager for Ronnie to find out. As for Bobby; well, that wasn't a surprise, as I figured the writers would find another way out for him, as they've done countless times before. EE say they want to make the show as realistic as possible, but this is beyond a joke now.
parkerman
26-12-2015, 20:04
boarding school ian's answer to help bobby
And meanwhile, Max...........
And meanwhile, Max...........
Think Max is too old to go to boarding school!
Sorry, Boxing Day drinks making me a tad flippant .. but yes, Max does not seem to get mentioned at all ... Will he be forgotten about until about 2 months before he is due to return, as is the usual way they bring back characters after an absence? Incredulous storyline ... Wonder whether a technical error by the police will facilitate Max´s return to Albert Square .. don´t think that has ever happened before ??? :p:cartman:
storyseeker1
26-12-2015, 20:20
It seems as though Phil was telling the truth about Vincent's dad after all. Claudette let slip that Vincent's dad came home even when she said he didn't etc. Wonder what else she's been lying about? I can't believe she'd do something so despicable, by lying to her own son to try and 'man' him up. What the hell kind of a beef does she have with the Mitchells if it's not the supposed death of her husband?
I have to say; this year's xmas special has been a bitter disappointment to me. Hopefully, the New Years one will be better. The new trailer for it certainly has me on edge!
no mention of max by abi or jack no one cares
jack spend most if his return in ronnie's mouth so far
no mention of max by abi or jack no one cares
jack spend most if his return in ronnie's mouth so far
maidmarian
26-12-2015, 20:31
And meanwhile, Max...........
Quite!!!
perhaps its in the produceers /SWs performance
agreements that they only have to conclude
1 storyline a year.
Deans not sorted yet - tho should be soon-
But actor already talking about coming back-i
in interview.:ninja:
so no hurry with Bobby:::(
jack spend most if his return in ronnie's mouth so far
??? Is this an Irish saying... could you tell me what it means before my imagination goes wild??? ;p :lol:
maidmarian
26-12-2015, 20:36
??? Is this an Irish saying... could you tell me what it means before my imagination goes wild??? ;p :lol:
My minds boggling too!:o
??? Is this an Irish saying... could you tell me what it means before my imagination goes wild??? ;p :lol:
sorry im a tad wee bit drunk
jack has had his tongue in ronnie's mouth since his return, constantly kissing
??? Is this an Irish saying... could you tell me what it means before my imagination goes wild??? ;p :lol:
sorry im a tad wee bit drunk
jack has had his tongue in ronnie's mouth since his return, constantly kissing
parkerman
26-12-2015, 20:58
Did the police actually interview Ian before arresting him? What evidence do they have that it was dangrous driving? Why did the police not get Ian into the car and just let Sharon shout at him?
Did the police actually interview Ian before arresting him? What evidence do they have that it was dangrous driving? Why did the police not get Ian into the car and just let Sharon shout at him?
drunk phil's evidence was enough
Did the police actually interview Ian before arresting him? What evidence do they have that it was dangrous driving? Why did the police not get Ian into the car and just let Sharon shout at him?
drunk phil's evidence was enough
parkerman
26-12-2015, 21:06
drunk phil's evidence was enough
Oh well, that's all right then.
Oh well, that's all right then.
if denny wakes and remembers he knows bobby killed lucy and phil was driving back
Oh well, that's all right then.
if denny wakes and remembers he knows bobby killed lucy and phil was driving back
parkerman
26-12-2015, 21:23
if denny wakes and remembers he knows bobby killed lucy and phil was driving back
Perhaps that's why we are already being prepared for a brain injury.
Very flat and disappointing end to the Christmas Day episode. There was lots going on and even a death, but it all made for very unsatisfying viewing.
as predicted it was fats, driving vincent's car why?
This inconsistency seriously needs an explanation! Fatboy was last seen walking off angrily after a confrontation with Vincent and Claudette, and next thing he offers to do them a favour and go for ice???!!! :wall:
As an aside, don't nightclubs have their own ice machines? They did when I worked in one a couple of decades ago and I can't imagine why that would have changed. Buying and storing ice would quickly get very expensive.
boarding school ian's answer to help bobby
How could Ian think a few rules will cure Bobby of what's obviously a psychiatric problem? Stupid and lazy writing! :wall:
And meanwhile, Max...........
I was waiting in vain for Jane to mention Max as the major reason to finally admit the truth... :wall:
Did the police actually interview Ian before arresting him? What evidence do they have that it was dangrous driving? Why did the police not get Ian into the car and just let Sharon shout at him?
I assumed at the time they'd interviewed him, but given the utter stupidity of the writing it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. :wall:
Perhaps that's why we are already being prepared for a brain injury.
How convenient would that be? :wall:
As to Claudette, I think it's now certain she's lied through her teeth about Eric and her husband, but I'm having a hard time caring at the moment.
(I don't think I've ever used the "head hitting a wall" emoticon so much in a post, but nothing else seemed apt enough to express my frustration.)
flappinfanny
26-12-2015, 23:42
Sad it was fat boy who was killed. After watching the episode, I personally think he was dead before the crusher got him, because Vincent pushed the bloke off the Crusher. My theory is Arthur suffocated in the boot and for someone who was terrified of closed spaces, is a horrible way to die. I did feel sorry for Dot.
As for the Beale storyline I think that may be the last we see of Bobby for a while, maybe until Max comes out of prison? On a practical level are there not laws on how many hours child actors can work? I would imagine Elliott who plays Bobby has used those up?
The episode had an unpleasant, uneasy feel to it tonight.
tammyy2j
26-12-2015, 23:44
If the police investigated properly with both Ian and Phil breath analysed plus their seat belt marks it would be obvious Phil was the driver instead I assume Phil and Sharon speaking to the police lead to Ian's arrest for dangerous driving
It is a shame that Fatboy was killed off, poor Dot, she lost Charlie and now Fatboy over Ronnie and Vincent she deserves to know the truth as does Fatboy's family :angry:
Why didn't Vincent tell Ronnie she was responsible for killing Fatboy, I was hoping Jack and Roxy would hear
Overall a very disappointing Christmas Day and Boxing Day episodes
Why didn't Vincent tell Ronnie she was responsible for killing Fatboy
He was saving Ronnie from the awful truth, and to be fair I don't think she intended for anyone to die. I think the henchmen found Fatboy dead and tried to get rid of the body as Vincent said.
However, Ronnie (and everyone else) needs to know the result of their childish wars was the horrific death of an innocent man.
or vincent is really in love with ronnie every though she wanted him dead
or vincent is really in love with ronnie
That would make more sense if he believes she only wanted to scare him.
I've just read on social media the theory that Claudette engineered Fatboy's death (presumably because Vincent told her Fatboy had betrayed them). That certainly explains why the latter came back and did her a favour after storming off. She could have persuaded him all would be forgiven and he could stay in Albert Square if he did something for her. But how would Claudette know what Ronnie was planning?
This theory admittedly makes for a more satisfying, if horrific, storyline. If Fatboy's death was deliberate on Claudette's part, she must be one of the worst villains ever to set foot in Albert Square! :eek:
That would make more sense if he believes she only wanted to scare him.
I've just read on social media the theory that Claudette engineered Fatboy's death (presumably because Vincent told her Fatboy had betrayed them). That certainly explains why the latter came back and did her a favour after storming off. She could have persuaded him all would be forgiven and he could stay if he drove somewhere. But how would Claudette know what Ronnie was planning?
This theory admittedly makes for a more satisfying, if horrific, storyline. If Fatboy's death was deliberate on Claudette's part, she must be one of the worst villains ever to set foot in Albert Square! :eek:
she could be capable of that and with her being a foster mother she could have contacts but why not take out phil or other mitchells then herself with other foster sons who donna talks about
we need a flashback explanation if how fatboy meet his end why he was in vincent's car
That would make more sense if he believes she only wanted to scare him.
I've just read on social media the theory that Claudette engineered Fatboy's death (presumably because Vincent told her Fatboy had betrayed them). That certainly explains why the latter came back and did her a favour after storming off. She could have persuaded him all would be forgiven and he could stay if he drove somewhere. But how would Claudette know what Ronnie was planning?
This theory admittedly makes for a more satisfying, if horrific, storyline. If Fatboy's death was deliberate on Claudette's part, she must be one of the worst villains ever to set foot in Albert Square! :eek:
she could be capable of that and with her being a foster mother she could have contacts but why not take out phil or other mitchells then herself with other foster sons who donna talks about
we need a flashback explanation if how fatboy meet his end why he was in vincent's car
maidmarian
27-12-2015, 00:51
Sad it was fat boy who was killed. After watching the episode, I personally think he was dead before the crusher got him, because Vincent pushed the bloke off the Crusher. My theory is Arthur suffocated in the boot and for someone who was terrified of closed spaces, is a horrible way to die. I did feel sorry for Dot.
As for the Beale storyline I think that may be the last we see of Bobby for a while, maybe until Max comes out of prison? On a practical level are there not laws on how many hours child actors can work? I would imagine Elliott who plays Bobby has used those up?
The episode had an unpleasant, uneasy feel to it tonight.
Yes there are rules for child actors and they are
quite restrictive and detailed. Main points-
Can only work max 2 hrs per day on school days
and Sundays.
Can work longer hours on Saturdays & school hols.
But must have 2 vlear weeks in school hols
Need a performing licences issued by local
Council.
Cant work before 7am or after 7pm.
If not accompanied by teacher or parent - have to
have chaperone - also licenced by council
Search " child actors working hours UK " will take
you to got gov.uk for more info!
maidmarian
27-12-2015, 00:59
Fupl
claudette did know ronnie had ice so knew a bad plan was in place for vincent
claudette did know ronnie had ice so knew a bad plan was in place for vincent
Well remembered!
It's looking more and more like Claudette is the true culprit, and I'd be very glad because Fatboy's horrible death makes Ronnie totally unsympathetic (even if it was unintentional). It also explains why Claudette disappeared overnight - so that she'd have an alibi.
I take back a lot of the criticism I made of this strand of the Christmas episodes if it turns out Claudette cold-bloodedly engineered Fatboy's death. Although it wouldn't change the horror of his death, at least there'd be a reason for it (as opposed to just shock value): to demonstrate just how evil Claudette truly is. :ninja:
Yes there are rules for child actors and they are
quite restrictive and detailed. Main points-
Can only work max 2 hrs per day on school days
and Sundays.
Can work longer hours on Saturdays & school hols.
But must have 2 vlear weeks in school hols
Need a performing licences issued by local
Council.
Cant work before 7am or after 7pm.
If not accompanied by teacher or parent - have to
have chaperone - also licenced by council
Search \\" child actors working hours UK \\" will take
you to got gov.uk for more info!
The regulations seem to be different when it's part time performance work, rather than say a paper round or a retail job. It sounds like they can have days off school as long as they keep to an education plan. Start and end times differ, as do maximum hours they can work. Seems quite relaxed to me. See this PDF: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/policiesandguidelines/childprotection/pdf/licensing_guide.pdf
Of course they may have decided that to give Eliot a significant break is in his best interests.
I'm not sure why they think sending Bobby to a boarding school is going to solve anything though. They won't know what he's done and they're not psychologists or psychiatrists.
I thought he'd be sending him to a clinic of some sort, though it didn't do Steven a lot of good when he was on screen. But it seems now that he's not a danger to Peter, Lauren or Louie at all...
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Claudette made me chuckle as she twisted fatboys demise to be all about her.Vincent is just her weapon on thia planet to be emotionaly bullied into doing her evil bidings, thou I cant factor Les or Donna into her mindset?
Was it only me that noted fatboys increasing depressed/morose acting building up to this.I wish the actor well and a hand print in HAollywood.
Roxy is one step away from the woodchipper, seen this in real life the S/L is spot on.
Not a single mention about MAX being locked up, whilst the Beales / Mitchells were debating what to do with Bobby. Probably nothing else on this storyline until the Easter school holidays. I too hope Denny fully recovers , has total recall, and reveals every single thing he knows. ( If wishes were horses etc.)..:angry:
maidmarian
27-12-2015, 12:58
Not a single mention about MAX being locked up, whilst the Beales / Mitchells were debating what to do with Bobby. Probably nothing else on this storyline until the Easter school holidays. I too hope Denny fully recovers , has total recall, and reveals every single thing he knows. ( If wishes were horses etc.)..:angry:
They all seem to have had a morals/ethics
bypass!!
Even taking into account the things we are
meant to believe in Soaps- its getting
farcical!
I know Jane has her fans( tho I have never
been one).but I now feel that in her desparation
- which I dont mininise- to have & keep a child
- she has insulated Bobby against reality and
he feels invincible!
There were other ways the story could have
been written- that kept the evil but some
reality - as well! I suppose Boarding School
idea means things csn be said/done without
being on screen.Tho that might be a cop- out!
Hope Jack sees Max and starts stirring things up!
When hes unsuctioned himself from Ronnie?!
-When hes unsuctioned himself from Ronnie?!
Agree MM. Incidentally loved this last comment...:rotfl:
Claudette made me chuckle as she twisted fatboys demise to be all about her.Vincent is just her weapon on thia planet to be emotionaly bullied into doing her evil bidings, thou I cant factor Les or Donna into her mindset?
I was wondering about this too. I suppose she's an extreme example of someone who seems lovely and is a loyal friend, but woe betide anyone who crosses her. :nono:
parkerman
27-12-2015, 16:31
Not a single mention about MAX being locked up, whilst the Beales / Mitchells were debating what to do with Bobby.
Yes, I really cannot fathom, given what's happened to Denny, why Sharon would not now go to the police, given that Max has been put away for 25 years. Are we all just expected to forget this aspect of the story?
Yes, I really cannot fathom, given what's happened to Denny, why Sharon would not now go to the police, given that Max has been put away for 25 years. Are we all just expected to forget this aspect of the story?
In a word - yes. They've written themselves into a corner with so many major characters covering for Bobby. If the truth comes out, realistically half the cast would be imprisoned. Once Bobby's out of the way in boarding school I'm sure it'll be a case of out of sight, out of mind (or at least that's what the EE team are hoping!).
In a word - yes. They've written themselves into a corner with so many major characters covering for Bobby. If the truth comes out, realistically half the cast would be imprisoned. Once Denny's out of the way in boarding school I'm sure it'll be a case of out of sight, out of mind (or at least that's what the EE team are hoping!).
is denny off to boarding school also
In a word - yes. They've written themselves into a corner with so many major characters covering for Bobby. If the truth comes out, realistically half the cast would be imprisoned. Once Denny's out of the way in boarding school I'm sure it'll be a case of out of sight, out of mind (or at least that's what the EE team are hoping!).
is denny off to boarding school also
is denny off to boarding school also
I bet he ends up with amnesia just serious enough for him to have forgotten that Bobby killed Lucy, but no other ill effects.
is denny off to boarding school also
Oops! That was a typo. I've corrected it now. :o
tammyy2j
27-12-2015, 22:13
Well remembered!
It's looking more and more like Claudette is the true culprit, and I'd be very glad because Fatboy's horrible death makes Ronnie totally unsympathetic (even if it was unintentional). It also explains why Claudette disappeared overnight - so that she'd have an alibi.
I take back a lot of the criticism I made of this strand of the Christmas episodes if it turns out Claudette cold-bloodedly engineered Fatboy's death. Although it wouldn't change the horror of his death, at least there'd be a reason for it (as opposed to just shock value): to demonstrate just how evil Claudette truly is. :ninja:
So was it Claudette's henchmen who killed Fatboy then not Ronnie's?
I don't understand why Fatboy would do a favour for Claudette and Vincent when Vincent was making him leave unless Claudette told Fatboy he didn't have to leave and she would speak to Vincent and end the Mitchell feud
So was it Claudette's henchmen who killed Fatboy then not Ronnie's?
I don't understand why Fatboy would do a favour for Claudette and Vincent when Vincent was making him leave unless Claudette told Fatboy he didn't have to leave and she would speak to Vincent and end the Mitchell feud
Fatboy probably died accidentally somehow because of his claustrophobia.
I'm not sure whether she paid the henchmen to crush the car (meaning certain death for Fatboy) or if they panicked when they found him dead and did it themselves (as Vincent said). I now think the latter seems more likely meaning it wasn't murder on Claudette's part after all (although she didn't bat an eyelid at the news of his death). It's all a bit confusing!
She persuaded Fatboy to go and get the ice, possibly by saying she'd smooth things over with Vincent so he wouldn't have to leave Walford.
This is all speculation anyway and we can't know what really happened unless she says more.
I bet he ends up with amnesia just serious enough for him to have forgotten that Bobby killed Lucy, but no other ill effects.
and that phil was driving with ian bullying him in back of car about bobby
I bet he ends up with amnesia just serious enough for him to have forgotten that Bobby killed Lucy, but no other ill effects.
and that phil was driving with ian bullying him in back of car about bobby
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