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It's been 9 months since this producer last made somebody pregnant. This must be a record.
Edit: Oops, forgot Lauren. Definite baby fetish.
tammyy2j
26-06-2015, 23:10
I've stopped watching, but I would imagine that Shabnam's attack was motivated by the fact that she abandoned her daughter on a doorstep. If she felt she couldn't keep the child, she should have given her up via the official channels.
The girls who attacked her don't know this, I think they called her a terrorist and filmed the attack
Shabham had a run in previously with them about the community centre
I like Jade and quite a nice scene when Shabham meet her
I thought with the attack on Shabham there might be damage so she couldn't have or carry another child, wasn't expecting her to be pregnant
I really hate the Kush and Stacey storyline and how Kush is being changed, he came in a good decent widowed guy and is a good match for Shabham
Stacey said she don't want to do anymore affairs well don't she should stay away from Kush :angry: and him from her
I really really hate what DTC has done to the show. I do miss it, but I just can't watch this rubbish.
Tanya/Max/Stacey and Oscar has become Shabnam/Kush/Stacey and unborn. It was bad enough the first time round.
parkerman
27-06-2015, 00:13
I agree Kim. DTC has completely wrecked EE. It's mostly just garbage now. I've given up feeling empathy with anyone now....except maybe Linda and Mick.....and couldn't really care less what happens to anyone.
On the subject of Shabnam's attack, one of the girls told her to "go home" as they were leaving, so presumably it was a racially motivated attack.
DTC has gotten more than complacent since he got his golden handcuffs deal...
Ruffed_lemur
27-06-2015, 21:47
The girls who attacked her don't know this, I think they called her a terrorist and filmed the attack
Shabham had a run in previously with them about the community centre
I like Jade and quite a nice scene when Shabham meet her
I thought with the attack on Shabham there might be damage so she couldn't have or carry another child, wasn't expecting her to be pregnant
I really hate the Kush and Stacey storyline and how Kush is being changed, he came in a good decent widowed guy and is a good match for Shabham
Stacey said she don't want to do anymore affairs well don't she should stay away from Kush :angry: and him from her
I'm surprised an unborn child survived that brutal attack. Especially as it seems like early stage in pregnancy?
I'm surprised not to have heard anything in regards to complaints about that episode. With the poor woman in the news recently having lost her baby following an attack, it could have been seen as distasteful.
DTC has gotten more than complacent since he got his golden handcuffs deal...
I'm very embarrassed to remember that I lauded him for saving EE after live week. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
I'd stopped watching for about 18 months until he took over, and tentatively gave it another go after I started hearing people raving about his work and the Carters. I was very impressed with the improvement in quality, and overall really enjoyed EE up to and including live week. However it's been downhill since and I'm only really watching it now because I'd miss coming here and discussing it with you all.
stacey jealous shabham preggers, wonder does she deliberately set herself up to become preggers
parkerman
29-06-2015, 20:52
I'm only really watching it now because I'd miss coming here and discussing it with you all.
Snap.:D
martin to stacey don't turn lesbian :p kush's mum must know he really don't want to get married and now have a baby
parkerman
30-06-2015, 21:31
Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on before going back home...?:hmm:
Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on bedore going back home...?:hmm:
Maybe for women who are very perky...so my answer would be no... :crying:
Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on bedore going back home...?:hmm:
even with small or no boobs you know when you don't have a bra on :p
Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on bedore going back home...?:hmm:
even with small or no boobs you know when you don't have a bra on :p
parkerman
30-06-2015, 22:44
So you could say they made a bit of a boob there. Perhaps they should make a clean breast of it and admit it was a bit stretched and not very uplifting.
So you could say they made a bit of a boob there. Perhaps they should make a clean breast of it and admit it was a bit stretched and not very uplifting.
:rotfl:
That sounds very familiar. Is it a quote from The Two Ronnies? :D
tammyy2j
30-06-2015, 23:06
I think Carol left the bra on purpose to be caught out, she feels sexy and womanly again as she was able to have a quick bunk up with Buster and now she welcomes a fight with Shirley for him
I hate the writing for Kush and Stacey I even feel sorry for Martin now too as well as Shabham
tammyy2j
30-06-2015, 23:06
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it might not be carol's bra, roxy and dean could have got frisky on the couch
it might not be carol's bra, roxy and dean could have got frisky on the couch
I'm not convinced Carol slept with Buster. She seemed to be more concerned about the effect of her boast on Sonia rather than anything else. Lizann might be right that the bra belongs to Roxy.
I hate the writing for Kush and Stacey I even feel sorry for Martin now too as well as Shabham
I feel sorry for Martin too. He's an idiot but he's decent enough at heart and doesn't deserve to be used like that.
Although I've sympathised with Shabnam until now, I'm struggling to see how she can accept one child but not the other. I understand why she didn't at the time, but her secret is out in the open now and the damage she was so worried about is done. I hope she'll warm to the idea of Jade gradually now: supporting Shirley and Buster was a start I suppose.
I couldn't believe Carmel appeared to question whether Kush ought to accept the baby! It's too late to do anything about it - he's going to be a father whether he's in a relationship with Shabnam or not. :wall:
parkerman
01-07-2015, 13:47
Although I've sympathised with Shabnam until now, I'm struggling to see how she can accept one child but not the other. I understand why she didn't at the time, but her secret is out in the open now and the damage she was so worried about is done.
Even so, very different circumstances. She gave up her first child and, to all intents and purposes, she's been dead to her and has forced herself to forget any sort of relationship with her. I can quite understand why she wouldn't want to ressurect all that happened and have to face all the emotional trauma of having to recognise she has a daughter after all when she had managed to, if not forget about her, but at least not have her as part of her life. It would be very hard for her to form a proper mother/daughtr relationship now. A baby with the man she loves and is going to marry however is a completely different thing.
Even so, very different circumstances. She gave up her first child and, to all intents and purposes, she's been dead to her and has forced herself to forget any sort of relationship with her. I can quite understand why she wouldn't want to ressurect all that happened and have to face all the emotional trauma of having to recognise she has a daughter after all when she had managed to, if not forget about her, but at least not have her as part of her life. It would be very hard for her to form a proper mother/daughtr relationship now. A baby with the man she loves and is going to marry however is a completely different thing.
Yes, I take your point, it's a very complex situation.
I wish they hadn't introduced this new baby but had concentrated on Shabnam's relationship with Jade. That's the storyline thread I'm most interested in at the moment.
By the way Parkerman, I hope you weren't offended by my asking if you quoted The Two Ronnies above. What you wrote was very funny and reminded me of Ronnie Barker's famously witty wordplay (which I hope you take as a compliment).
parkerman
01-07-2015, 15:13
No, I wasn't offended at all, Dazzle. I did take it as a compliment - well, I had to really, otherwise it would have meant my joke about Carol's bra had gone tits up.
tammyy2j
01-07-2015, 15:22
I think Shabham has so many people telling her what to do she don't know herself what she truly wants
Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on before going back home...?:hmm:
no but you usually remember to shove it in your pocket??
nice scenes with carol and shirley with boob fight:p good tamwar's fear of his image over his fire scars still remembered
tammyy2j
02-07-2015, 21:56
it might not be carol's bra, roxy and dean could have got frisky on the couch
Well predicted :clap:
I did like Carol and Shirley's scenes, well acted by both Lindsey and Linda, funny and emotional
EE had me in tears last night - and not tears of frustration for once. Carol's journey to acceptance of her scars was very moving indeed. Why can't Lindsay and Linda get more scenes that make the most of their considerable acting talents instead of the usual non-stop misery (Carol) or aggression (Shirley)?
I liked how Tamwar's self-consciousness about his own scars continued the theme.
We got a glimpse of Lady Di for the first time in months! :D
I feel I should congratulate the EE team on an excellent episode after my recent relentless criticism. :clap:
parkerman
03-07-2015, 16:08
Yes, mostly good. Not sure about |an giving up a whole afternoon's takings for Stacey and Martin though. :hmm:
Not sure about |an giving up a whole afternoon's takings for Stacey and Martin though. :hmm:
Yes, that was stretching credulity too far... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
maidmarian
03-07-2015, 17:09
EE had me in tears last night - and not tears of frustration for once. Carol's journey to acceptance of her scars was very moving indeed. Why can't Lindsay and Linda get more scenes that make the most of their considerable acting talents instead of the usual non-stop misery (Carol) or aggression (Shirley)?
I liked how Tamwar's self-consciousness about his own scars continued the theme.
We got a glimpse of Lady Di for the first time in months! :
I feel I should congratulate the EE team on an excellent episode after my recent relentless criticism. :clap:
I missed episode but glad it was good.
Ive liked Lindsays portrayal of Carol from the
start and will be sorry when she leaves EE.
I cant say the same about Shirley- though
as the actress appears to be a pleasant person-
she must be good to play a hypocritical
bullying doormat so well!!
I missed episode but glad it was good.
Ive liked Lindsays portrayal of Carol from the
start and will be sorry when she leaves EE.
I cant say the same about Linda- though
as the actress appears to be a pleasant person-
she must be good to play a hypocritical
bullying doormat so well!!
Agree about Lindsay Coulson. :)
I've been a fan of Linda Henry's since she was in Bad Girls, and I think she plays nice as well as she plays nasty. Unfortunately, EE don't often give Shirley the chance to do anything other than be aggressive (especially recently) but Linda's capable of far more - as last night's episode proved.
did shabham say her mother couldn't wait to visit
parkerman
03-07-2015, 23:26
did shabham say her mother couldn't wait to visit
I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.
I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.
hope zainab visits even if brief
I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.
hope zainab visits even if brief
I know nothing about epilepsy. Does anyone understand the significance of Nancy's seizures dramatically increasing in number?
During Stacey's last stint I couldn't help but like her no matter how badly she behaved, but that's no longer the case. I can't work out if it's the writing or the acting that's to blame for my change of opinion. It's not just the Kush affair either because I've disapproved of her conduct while still liking her in the past.
I'm not sure how I feel about seeing Jean again. I'm not a lover of the character as I find her way too screechy, but she can bring out the best in Stacey. No doubt we'll see some good scenes between them.
On the Shabnam and Jade point, I would actually rather that Shabnam has this new child rather than turning around in the future and deciding that she wants a relationship with Jade. Too many adoptive/step/foster parents who have done all the hard work are almost wiped out of existence when the biological parent shows up (Rebecca, Dean; even Sharon is now going back on her prior comments that her adoptive parents were the real thing.) I am fed up with the show doing this.
I agree with Parkerman's point about a relationship with Jade and the new baby being a completely different thing. It must be harder to feel for a child as a parent is supposed to when you've missed out on part of their life for whatever reason. Carol Hanley never saw Sharon as a daughter despite going on to have more children. Regardless of the fact the shame that Shabnam wanted to avoid is now not an issue, Shabnam still feels privately ashamed of her one night stand with Dean. Shabnam's opinions are harsher than most, perhaps she can't see Jade separately of that. To 'forget' one, she has to 'forget' the other. She's probably further ashamed now that she knows that Jade's father is a rapist, even though he didn't rape her.
so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key
tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia
so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key
tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia
so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key
tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia
Stacey may not have really seen Jean since Sean gave her the key. She didn't say when, she just said ages ago. Perhaps she met up with him while she was on the run. This could have been as early as December 2010, which can be regarded as ages ago.
Alternatively, perhaps it was just before he left. Jean had an episode soon after so asking about the key wouldn't have helped anything. Stacey then had Danielle's death, her own bipolar, a rape, a pregnancy and Bradley's death to contend with.
I think we can let that part go, what I want to know is how no one has asked her about why she was wearing a key before. She was wearing it on the stall at one point!
parkerman
06-07-2015, 23:50
Good episode tonight. Two quick glimpses of Winston and none of Dean.
On the Shabnam and Jade point, I would actually rather that Shabnam has this new child rather than turning around in the future and deciding that she wants a relationship with Jade. Too many adoptive/step/foster parents who have done all the hard work are almost wiped out of existence when the biological parent shows up (Rebecca, Dean; even Sharon is now going back on her prior comments that her adoptive parents were the real thing.) I am fed up with the show doing this.
I see what you mean, but a soap is only likely to introduce a long lost child/parent if it's going to present plenty of dramatic opportunities - which almost inevitably includes parent and child being reunited.
Jade has only been fostered and doesn't appear to be settled with a loving family. The foster father is decidedly dodgy - although not completely uncaring. I'm sure her unstable situation is deliberate to make it more realistic a family member could get custody and that Jade herself would be eager to meet and perhaps live with her real family.
Since the story's been done this way and it's been hinted Shabnam cares for Jade deep down, it seems inevitable to me that Shabnam will grow closer to her if she comes to live on the square. Given this, I'd still prefer the story concentrate on Shabnam's relationship with Jade. There's plenty of time for other kids.
I agree with Parkerman's point about a relationship with Jade and the new baby being a completely different thing. It must be harder to feel for a child as a parent is supposed to when you've missed out on part of their life for whatever reason. Carol Hanley never saw Sharon as a daughter despite going on to have more children. Regardless of the fact the shame that Shabnam wanted to avoid is now not an issue, Shabnam still feels privately ashamed of her one night stand with Dean. Shabnam's opinions are harsher than most, perhaps she can't see Jade separately of that. To 'forget' one, she has to 'forget' the other. She's probably further ashamed now that she knows that Jade's father is a rapist, even though he didn't rape her.
I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.
Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.
tammyy2j
07-07-2015, 15:10
so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key
tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia
I really enjoyed the Carol and Max scenes too
maidmarian
07-07-2015, 16:49
I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.
Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.[/QUOTE]
Dazzle - this reply is probably a lot of rubbish
but put it forward for what its worth.
I think it is possible for someone to divorce
themselves from a past situation - as tho it
never happened.But that doesnt really tally
with Shabnams personality?? A form of
self-protection?
Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!.
I read about it some years ago-if Ive remembered
it correctly. I thought it might be called
" tranference" but now dont think so.
Got visitors shortly so cant do any research
- and not sure what to look for.
Its just something at the back of my brain
that wont come forward!!
So just mentioning it in case it rings any
bells!!
MM
maidmarian
07-07-2015, 16:49
Dupl
Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!
That makes perfect sense to me and thanks for drawing my attention to that condition. Again though, I don't feel it fits Shabnam's situation, as she showed interest in meeting Jade (and did in fact meet her very briefly) recently. Either she cares for Jade or she doesn't. Similarly, either she wants Jade in her life or she doesn't. These inconsistencies are what's puzzling me.
It's not just being in denial either, because I accepted her being in denial about Jade at various points in the story. The last episode we saw Shabnam - when she told her family about the baby - there was what I felt a coldness towards Jade that hadn't been there before. That's what I'm finding hard to fathom.
It might be that I read that particular scene incorrectly though. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate
this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal
what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate
this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal
Good episodes Monday and Tuesday. No Dean, or Stacey and Kush lusting after each other, was a huge relief. :cheer:
I really enjoyed Stacey, Jean and Martin's scenes. The latter's expressions of horror at some of the Slater family antics were hilarious. I hope Stacey comes to love Martin and stays with him long term because I really like them together (when she's not treating him like dirt). The scene where she told Martin about her bipolar was riveting stuff.
Jean was horrible to Stacey at the end there! I was shocked she pronounced her daughter ill just to get hold of the key (of course there have been major hints that Stacey is having an episode but that's not why Jean did that). What on earth can she be hiding? :hmm:
I can't remember if Stacey knows that Sean killed (or thinks he killed) their father. Jean's definitely got a guilty conscience about something; maybe she cruelly let Sean believe a lie?
I was really shocked that Jean didn't flush the key after all! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) (Though it's obvious she wouldn't have with hindsight.)
Good Nancy and Lee scenes too. I'm beginning to think maybe DTC will do Lee's depression storyline justice. It's impressive writing that he and Nancy are both suffering because of all the recent family angst.
It was nice to see Carol and Max having fun together. :D
tammyy2j
08-07-2015, 16:59
I think Jean was responsible for Brian's death and not Sean now
maidmarian
08-07-2015, 17:06
dupl
maidmarian
08-07-2015, 17:06
Good episodes Monday and Tuesday. No Dean, or Stacey and Kush lusting after each other, was a huge relief. :cheer:
I really enjoyed Stacey, Jean and Martin's scenes. The latter's expressions of horror at some of the Slater family antics were hilarious. I hope Stacey comes to love Martin and stays with him long term because I really like them together (when she's not treating him like dirt). The scene where she told Martin about her bipolar was riveting stuff.
Jean was horrible to Stacey at the end there! I was shocked she pronounced her daughter ill just to get hold of the key (of course there have been major hints that Stacey is having an episode but that's not why Jean did that). What on earth can she be hiding? :hmm:
I can't remember if Stacey knows that Sean killed (or thinks he killed) their father. Jean's definitely got a guilty conscience about something; maybe she cruelly let Sean believe a lie?
I was really shocked that Jean didn't flush the key after all! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) (Though it's obvious she wouldn't have with hindsight.)
Good Nancy and Lee scenes too. I'm beginning to think maybe DTC will do Lee's depression storyline justice. It's impressive writing that he and Nancy are both suffering because of all the recent family angst.
It was nice to see Carol and Max having fun together. :D
Agree re Stacey & Martin. They would make a good
long-term couple. Also re Carol & Max having fun.
Never liked Jean Slater.I think there is a problem
thats not related to being bi-polar. Think Stacey
better without her.
I know 2 families with a member who is bi-polar.
Quite different people and circs- but neither
family can stand her!! Both either like or find
Stacey ok tho!
Also.hope Lees depression doesnt get the
"Steve quick- fix" solution and is dealt with
more realistically !
Never liked Jean Slater.I think there is a problem
thats not related to being bi-polar. Think Stacey
better without her.
I know 2 families with a member who is bi-polar.
Quite different people and circs- but neither
family can stand her!! Both either like or find
Stacey ok tho!
I agree about Jean, I've never been keen on the character. I do think she and Stacey have good chemistry and have shared some really moving scenes though.
As far as the depiction of bipolar - I couldn't agree more. Lacey Turner portrays the extreme mood swings very realistically in my opinion. However, Jean just flaps around shrieking like an idiot most of the time. I've heard before about some real life bipolar sufferers being offended by the depiction and I don't really blame them! Anyone with no prior knowledge of the condition would come away thinking bipolar is a learning disability! :wall:
Also.hope Lees depression doesnt get the
"Steve quick- fix" solution and is dealt with
more realistically !
Agreed!
tammyy2j
08-07-2015, 17:30
I like the new Martin and him and Stacey have potential to be a good pairing and better chemistry, way more than her and Kush
no tube strike
when did stacey and lola start fighting, are their kids same age don't ever remember a scene of them before
no tube strike
when did stacey and lola start fighting, are their kids same age don't ever remember a scene of them before
I've really appreciated the spotlight being on Stacey for the past few episodes, especially because she's been so unlikeable recently. We've delved deeper into her psyche and got to know her again, which I've found very enjoyable. I was always a big fan of Stacey in the past.
I forgot when I mentioned yesterday about her appearing to be having an episode that she's pregnant! :wall: Let's just hope there's no doubt it's Martin's (who continues to improve by the episode).
I didn't like everyone sniggering at her at the performance. Surely they all know about her condition? :searchme:
didn't think stacey would tell martin so soon she was up the duffy
I'm relieved there appears to be no question Stacey's baby isn't Martin's. I wonder if she'll lose the baby because I can't see them saddling her with another child at the moment, and she doesn't want an abortion. A Fowler/Slater baby would be an important future character, but I don't think another baby's right for Stacey at present.
Nice scenes at Denise's house between her and Kim. The lunch party was also good. Vincent and his mum are settling in well I think.
EE's improved massively recently. I hope this quality can be maintained.
didn't think stacey would tell martin so soon she was up the duffy
up the duff duff surely
'groan'
parkerman
11-07-2015, 12:58
I'm relieved there appears to be no question Stacey's baby isn't Martin's.
I was also glad they explained away the issue of contraception. I've no idea if the explanation is true but at least it covered the point of concern that I made earlier that no-one seems to use any in Walford.
EE's improved massively recently. I hope this quality can be maintained.
That's because Dean's not been in it recently. Just wait till he's back!
I missed the explanation of no contraception... what is the reason please?
I missed the explanation of no contraception... what is the reason please?
Stacey's on the pill but the medication she's on for her bipolar can interfere with it. I think she said she was in a state when she was put on it so can't remember if she was warned.
tammyy2j
11-07-2015, 22:12
I see Ian is back to his wickedly smug self again
Ruffed_lemur
12-07-2015, 19:13
I thought Martin was awful suggesting an abortion!
Can anyone tell me if DCI Marsden has returned yet? I've stopped watching the show but I always found her entertaining and might try a few episodes again.
Can anyone tell me if DCI Marsden has returned yet? I've stopped watching the show but I always found her entertaining and might try a few episodes again.
not yet at least not tonight, a reporter showed up at beales asking about new witness
martin comes round to the idea of baby fowler slater finally so good on him
Can anyone tell me if DCI Marsden has returned yet? I've stopped watching the show but I always found her entertaining and might try a few episodes again.
not yet at least not tonight, a reporter showed up at beales asking about new witness
martin comes round to the idea of baby fowler slater finally so good on him
Good episode centred around the Beale family tonight. It was good to see more of Bobby too. My heart broke a little bit when he asked if they'd look for Cindy on the common. :(
Can anyone tell me if DCI Marsden has returned yet? I've stopped watching the show but I always found her entertaining and might try a few episodes again.
She's mentioned in this week's spoilers so should definitely be appearing Thursday or Friday. I don't blame you for being tempted back to EE for Marsden because she's a great character. Let's hope Phil's involved so we have some sizzling scenes between them. :D
martin comes round to the idea of baby fowler slater finally so good on him
I was pleased about that, although I'm still not entirely on board with Stacey having a baby at this time. If I were her, I'd be worried about Martin being so fickle... :wall:
tammyy2j
15-07-2015, 21:00
I hoped we would see Cindy and Liam at their prom
and marsbar is back for philip
Yes! Marsden and Phil come face to face again! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/dancing/smileys-dancing-176278.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Could the Beales have looked any more guilty when Keeble asked about Bobby's whereabouts? :D
Ben and Paul carrying on near a dead body... :sick: Whatever will Les and Pam say? :eek:
Kush isn't happy that Stacey's having Martin's baby. I'm glad she put him straight about them wanting it.
oh jane has an evil plan forming to set ben up completely will ian go along
tammyy2j
17-07-2015, 21:42
Well I am sorry I feel a fool as I was expecting a new suspect not from Dominic's narrowed down list very misleading :angry: I wonder who is the new witness could Jane have sneakily called the police and got Ben in trouble and put him in the frame, clearly now she is going to plant the phone in the Mitchell house or get Ian to do it so Ben will definitely be charged with Lucy's murder. Sharon and Billy already think Ben could have done it as he has form with murdering Heather so must be guilty and him running on Jay's say so didn't help.
I did lol'd at Les and Pam saying Paul was finishing off, if only they knew :p
Well I am sorry I feel a fool as I was expecting a new suspect not from Dominic's narrowed down list very misleading :angry:
I took "new suspect" to mean a new suspect to the police. They didn't previously know Ben was in Walford on Good Friday, so hadn't considered him a suspect for Lucy's murder until the tip-off. I don't think there was any sleight of hand by DTC in this instance. :p
That Jane's a cold one willing to let Ben go down for Lucy's murder. She'd even frame him! :eek: I can't see Ian supporting it - at least not for long. (Although it would make for a very juicy mess for Kathy's return.)
It's nice to see the chemistry between Phil and Marsden's still as electric as ever. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/kisses/smileys-kisses-738604.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Anyone else notice that Ian's recently had a really painful looking stye on his eye that keeps magically appearing and disappearing? :D
I did lol'd at Les and Pam saying Paul was finishing off, if only they knew :p
There were some very funny double entendres by Pam and Les in that scene. My favourite was: "I don't want to put him off his stroke"!!! :rotfl:
Very entertaining episode last night. Bobby's certainly unpredictable! :eek: I'm guessing he thinks Ian and Jane are covering for Ben, and is determined not to let him get away with it.
Was Jay with Ben when Lucy was mugged ?
Was Jay with Ben when Lucy was mugged ?
He was, so he's now scared the police will find out and nick him too. Plus he thinks (almost certainly correctly) that Phil would let him go down to save Ben. No wonder he's terrified!
He was, so he's now scared the police will find out and nick him too. Plus he thinks (almost certainly correctly) that Phil would let him go down to save Ben. No wonder he's terrified!
Thanks Dazzle, also answers my follow on question as to why the cab driver witness didn't identify Jay at the scene as well. Which following your theory would give Phil ample opportunity to put Jay in the frame.
Thanks Dazzle, also answers my follow on question as to why the cab driver witness didn't identify Jay at the scene as well. Which following your theory would give Phil ample opportunity to put Jay in the frame.
I hadn't thought about the cab driver identifying Jay. I wonder why he didn't see him? Maybe I've misconstrued what Jay said? Oh well, we'll find out in half an hour. :D
Quite a few surprises tonight, Phil about to have his "Damascus moment" maybe, Max being spotted by the witness , Jays' fingerprints on the mobile phone ? , Bobby with the golf club ,what a facial expression, top marks to the young actor Eliot Carrington.
Quite a few surprises tonight, Phil about to have his "Damascus moment" maybe, Max being spotted by the witness , Jays' fingerprints on the mobile phone ? , Bobby with the golf club ,what a facial expression, top marks to the young actor Eliot Carrington.
Yes, Eliot Carrington's fantastic as the creepy Bobby Beale. I'm still very glad he was chosen as Lucy's killer because we could have years' worth of compelling stories out of the Beales trying to protect (and contain) him.
I saw someone on another site compare the situation to Norman Bates and his mother. I don't know if any of you watch the excellent Bates Motel? It's about the teenage Norman Bates and how he turned into "Psycho". He and his mother are extremely close and she's very, very over-protective. She knows what he is but refuses to seek help and even convinces him that nothing's wrong. Of course, Norman Bates is mentally ill (which doesn't appear to be the case with Bobby), but his mother - thinking she's doing the right thing - enables it. And we all know how she ends up... :ninja:
Tonight's episode was very good yet again, and ended on another unpredictable twist. I can't really see Phil going through with dumping Ben in it though. Nice of him to care about Jay's involvement too! The latter confirmed tonight he was with Ben at the time of Lucy's death, but Phil just ignored that point. :confused:
As for Max, he was last seen going towards the Beale house in the flashback episode. I've always wondered what he knows, and if he even helped Jane with the body? (I can't imagine why he would though. :hmm:)
kathy comeback must be soon as she gets mentioned more so now, good scene about dads between ian and phil
I've enjoyed the police station scenes featuring Marsden, Keeble, Bryant and Ritchie the past couple of episodes. We usually only see the police in scenes with regular characters, so it's nice to see more of their personalities. The revelation that Ritchie used to be a stripper was a stunner! :eek:
They're all very good actors and highly entertaining. I wish we could see more of them.
parkerman
23-07-2015, 20:19
Great to see Winston laughing and joking in tonight's episode. Did anything else of significance happen? I was really only interested in seeing Winston again.
Great to see Winston laughing and joking in tonight's episode. Did anything else of significance happen? I was really only interested in seeing Winston again.
the next mrs. phil mitchell will be abi her lust for phil is brewing :p
and now max is well and truly in the frame
Great to see Winston laughing and joking in tonight's episode. Did anything else of significance happen? I was really only interested in seeing Winston again.
the next mrs. phil mitchell will be abi her lust for phil is brewing :p
and now max is well and truly in the frame
tammyy2j
24-07-2015, 00:18
Abi conveniently left out the fact she fought and hit Lucy herself instead tells Phil she thinks her dad Max killed Lucy
Phil really played Abi telling her she'd be part of the "family" and that Ben always loved her etc., he knew exactly what he wanted to hear, she is very needy
I'm glad we saw Shirley, she must be very happy Ben is banged up again after what he did to Heather
Who had Denny, Matthew, Lexi and Amy during the Mitchell "family" meeting?
I presume Peter and Lauren wont let Max go to prison
Well I really didn't expect Phil to go through with giving up Ben to the police! :eek: That was quite out of character I think. I felt really sorry for Jay... :(
I enjoyed Keeble and Bryant's glee at getting one over on Marsden. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Abi conveniently left out the fact she fought and hit Lucy herself instead tells Phil she thinks her dad Max killed Lucy
I don't think Abi would betray Max unless she genuinely suspected him. After all she helped clean up Lucy's blood from the car lot. What I want to know is, if she's suspected him all this time, why has she been behaving relatively normally towards him? I know they haven't been getting on, but there's been no sign she suspected him of murder since the blood incident.
Phil really played Abi telling her she'd be part of the \"family\" and that Ben always loved her etc., he knew exactly what he wanted to hear, she is very needy
The stupid thing is she cottoned on to his manipulation at one point, and then fell for it again in the next sentence. :wall:
Anyone notice that Paul wasn't the least bit perturbed about Ben being a murder suspect? He even seemed quite impressed! I think he must be an amoral character as he doesn't seem out-and-out nasty.
parkerman
24-07-2015, 09:40
Who had Denny, Matthew, Lexi and Amy during the Mitchell "family" meeting?
Denny who? Is he a character in Eastenders? :D
I presume Peter and Lauren wont let Max go to prison
I'm not so sure. They are conveniently out of the way in New Zealand and never heard from. I think the fact they are so far away and out of sight, out of mind, may well be a nice little scriptwriters' convenience.
I'm not so sure. They are conveniently out of the way in New Zealand and never heard from. I think the fact they are so far away and out of sight, out of mind, may well be a nice little scriptwriters' convenience.
Peter's in contact with his family so it would be strange if Lauren weren't in contact with hers (unless she wasn't speaking to them when she left?). If the Beales are going to let Max rot in jail, they're unlikely to admit that to Peter, so it's reasonable Lauren won't find out yet if she doesn't speak to her family.
Dora Sudds
24-07-2015, 21:34
Does anyone else think that Eastenders has lost what made it a good show? It used to have some humour, but now it's just depressing. I read an interesting article about whether it's time for it to end, but I'm still not sure. I still like some of the characters.
Dora Sudds
24-07-2015, 21:36
The link if anyone wanted to read the article from the Metro.. I'm not sure I agree with most of it!
https://thesunnevershinesontv.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/shameless-plug-my-eastenders-article-posted-on-metro-co-uk/
Dora Sudds
24-07-2015, 21:36
:)
parkerman
24-07-2015, 22:54
And Abi's "evidence" amounts to what exactly?
And Abi's "evidence" amounts to what exactly?
I was thinking exactly that too
This week's EastEnders had been fantastic. I'm in awe of the tight plotting and interwoven storylines, the seeds of which were planted many months ago. I just wish the rest of the show were so well thought out.
Does anyone else think that Eastenders has lost what made it a good show? It used to have some humour, but now it's just depressing. I read an interesting article about whether it's time for it to end, but I'm still not sure. I still like some of the characters.
Hi, welcome to SoapBoards Dora! :)
EE's still capable of greatness but it's been more down than up recently. I've found this week's continuation of the Lucy Beale murder story particularly well done, but I've been doing a lot of moaning about other storylines, characters and poor decision-making lately.
As for humour, there hasn't been much lightness recently but is there ever? A few of the characters tend to have some cracking one liners (Sharon and Shirley spring to mind) but they haven't really been appropriate at the moment. Saying that, I found Ben and Paul's sex scene at the undertaker's (complete with double entendres by Pam and Les) hilarious. However, I've read a lot of complaints on other sites by people who found it distasteful. It was black humour for sure, but I've seen worse before the watershed in the past and the sex was only implied.
The article you linked to refers to Phil Daniels' recent diatribe. I don't think that should be taken too seriously be EE fans because it comes across as very bitter. He probably regrets being killed off because Kevin's family are the biggest on the square now.
I definitely don't think EE should be cancelled, but Dean REALLY needs to go. :angry:
And Abi's "evidence" amounts to what exactly?
She knows about Lucy's blood in the car lot because she helped clean it up. Strange she hasn't told the police about that yet as I think it would be very strong evidence against Max. No doubt it'll come out in the next few days.
peter and lauren could be on facebook or lauren still in contact with stacey or carol
abi wont want lauren knowing she shopped in their dad
peter and lauren could be on facebook or lauren still in contact with stacey or carol
abi wont want lauren knowing she shopped in their dad
What he did to Louise and Heather Trott? What about Jordan Johnson?
What he did to Louise and Heather Trott? What about Jordan Johnson?
ben killed heather and burnt louise in the hands what stella did to him
What he did to Louise and Heather Trott? What about Jordan Johnson?
ben killed heather and burnt louise in the hands what stella did to him
What he did to Louise and Heather Trott? What about Jordan Johnson?
I doubt the police know that Ben hurt Louise, and would his other crimes be admissible in court?
Even with the fingerprints on the bag and phone, the evidence against Ben is only circumstantial. If the police find Lucy's blood in the car lot office, that would be much stronger evidence I think (but then Max doesn't have Ben's violent history).
Still making my way through last week's episodes but I was referring to Phil's comment to Ian.
The police don't know about Louise, no. A jury wouldn't be told about a defendant's history but if found guilty, Jordan and Heather would be relevant at sentencing. Jordan was struck with an object by Ben also (a spanner.) He would get a much stronger sentence if ever convicted again and Marsden said something about it being a category A prison next time.
Why is Abi being interviewed in the presence of Sharon? She's 19 and an adult. Is that even legal?
I was thinking that too ... maybe Sharon was there for moral support ?
I would think moral support should stop in the waiting area, especially as Ben is her stepson. The way Abi kept looking at Sharon would cast doubt too, as would the timing of her saying that Max went back out. Although Max confirmed that in his conversation with Carol, it would look dodgy to me on their side of the table, like she was saying anything to help Ben because Marsden had caught her out in telling her the time that Jane claims to have seen Lucy.
I still don't get how Marsden isn't charging Phil with concealing evidence. She'd take anything to get him behind bars.
Abi will be in even more hot water later because she lied and left out the part where she saw Lucy; also helping with the car lot clear up.
parkerman
26-07-2015, 22:16
At this rate we could soon have Ben, Phil, Max, Abi and Jay all arrested.....
maidmarian
26-07-2015, 22:23
I think you recently posed the question
"have the Police in EE ever arrested the
right suspect?".
Well with all the above plus perhaps one
or two more -if they do arrest them all-
they are really doing their best-pity it will
still probably be wrong!!
maidmarian
26-07-2015, 22:23
Dupl
I think we can ask agree that, as usual in soaps, the police procedures last week were shockingly inaccurate. Sharon sitting in with Abi must have been one of the worst faux pas. At least Keeble's complained about Marsden's lax approach to following the rules.
I failed to consider Abi getting into trouble about cleaning the blood. I suppose she could wriggle out of it by saying Max coerced her to stay quiet. Max might even go along with that to save her.
I'm still of the opinion that Max will be the one charged with Lucy's murder, but I'm sure there's still some surprising twists yet to come. Him being imprisoned would certainly give a good excuse for Lauren to return without Peter in the future (if there's a reasonable excuse why she didn't find out immediately). Then again, Jane's said all along she's willing to take the blame - so she might yet confess. I can't see her letting someone rot in jail for long. (Maybe you should add her to your list, Parkerman? :D)
Lauren does know that Bobby killed Lucy, I think. It was implied that Peter told her at the graveside. I presume she's fine with it as long as no one is being wrongly punished for it, or at least no one that she cares about.
(Not that I ever bought Peter not going to the police, but there we go.)
parkerman
26-07-2015, 23:19
Why can't they just arrest Dean and have done with it?
it would be poetic justice if abi got herself in the frame for the murder trying to frame max to get ben out
Lauren does know that Bobby killed Lucy, I think. It was implied that Peter told her at the graveside. I presume she's fine with it as long as no one is being wrongly punished for it, or at least no one that she cares about.
Yes, it certainly appeared that Peter told Lauren about Bobby at Lucy's graveside, so I'm going on the assumption she knows. However, the writers could legitimately retcon it since we didn't hear the actual words.
it would be poetic justice if abi got herself in the frame for the murder trying to frame max to get ben out
I think Abi genuinely thinks Max killed Lucy.
i thought during live episode abi and max came clean as both thought the other killed lucy so that was cleared up between then
i thought during live episode abi and max came clean as both thought the other killed lucy so that was cleared up between then
I thought the same. I guess we're now supposed to think that Abi suspects Max of double bluffing.
I thought the same. I guess we're now supposed to think that Abi suspects Max of double bluffing.
Hopefully this inconsistency will be explained. I think she genuinely does suspect Max because in my opinion she acting like someone who's reluctantly telling the truth. Also, it'd be out of character for her to be so cold-blooded as to frame her own father. That's an evil thing to do! :eek:
Yes, it certainly appeared that Peter told Lauren about Bobby at Lucy's graveside, so I'm going on the assumption she knows. However, the writers could legitimately retcon it since we didn't hear the actual words.
I think Abi genuinely thinks Max killed Lucy.
Everything seems up for retconning. Dominic's era started off quite well in the continuity stakes but now he even retcons his own work.
I wouldn't find it convincing at all. Lauren wasn't going to go with him so he must have said something pretty big to get her to change her mind. I think Lauren even thought that Peter might have done it so she'd have to know the truth to trust him again.
Hopefully this inconsistency will be explained. I think she genuinely does suspect Max because in my opinion she acting like someone who's reluctantly telling the truth. Also, it'd be out of character for her to be so cold-blooded as to frame her own father. That's an evil thing to do! :eek:
Yeah. Typical soap thing of audience finds out who the culprit is and all other residents conveniently stop worrying about who did it. In the episodes I have seen, I can't remember Abi showing any signs of being concerned about whether he might have done it between February and now. The same goes for Mick last week, suddenly deciding that what Ian said that night bothers him.
Hopefully this inconsistency will be explained. I think she genuinely does suspect Max because in my opinion she acting like someone who's reluctantly telling the truth. Also, it'd be out of character for her to be so cold-blooded as to frame her own father. That's an evil thing to do! :eek:
she is so in love with a gay bloke she'd do anything for him even frame her dad hopefully whitney or carol get on to lauren fast
Hopefully this inconsistency will be explained. I think she genuinely does suspect Max because in my opinion she acting like someone who's reluctantly telling the truth. Also, it'd be out of character for her to be so cold-blooded as to frame her own father. That's an evil thing to do! :eek:
she is so in love with a gay bloke she'd do anything for him even frame her dad hopefully whitney or carol get on to lauren fast
tammyy2j
27-07-2015, 22:28
Hopefully this inconsistency will be explained. I think she genuinely does suspect Max because in my opinion she acting like someone who's reluctantly telling the truth. Also, it'd be out of character for her to be so cold-blooded as to frame her own father. That's an evil thing to do! :eek:
Abi has changed, she stalked her own sister and she is so obsessed with Ben and him wanting, loving and needing her she wants Ben out of jail
she is so in love with a gay bloke she'd do anything for him even frame her dad hopefully whitney or carol get on to lauren fast
Abi has changed, she stalked her own sister and she is so obsessed with Ben and him wanting, loving and needing her she wants Ben out of jail
I must admit I'm not so sure Abi thinks Max is guilty after Monday's episode. She still seems torn to me, so I'd say she thinks it's a possibility he did it, but she doesn't really seem to care too much either way. The manner in which she off-handedly said the police would let him go if he's innocent was pretty callous! :eek:
I know Abi's changed a lot from the nice girl she once was, but I still think it's a major character transplant for her to frame her own father for murder (if that's what she's doing). Maybe the whole point of the Max conning Ben storyline was to make Abi hate her father? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I forgot about the drop of blood that fell on Max's shoe (I think it happened when Lucy fell over and hit her head in the car lot office). It's definitely Lucy's blood, so there's going to have to be a major new twist to get him off the hook now. Jay's still in the frame of course...
I don't think Lauren's going to be involved at the moment because the truth about Bobby would come out. I can't see that happening because, from what I've read, twisted Bobby is going to be a long-running storyline for the Beales.
parkerman
28-07-2015, 09:55
I don't think Lauren's going to be involved at the moment because the truth about Bobby would come out. I can't see that happening because, from what I've read, twisted Bobby is going to be a long-running storyline for the Beales.
It is possible that under pressure from Lauren to get her dad off, Jane "confesses" to the murder to protect Bobby and tells Ian and Lauren not to tell the police it was Bobby. That would still leave EE free to develop the Bobby Beale as a twisted psycho story. Mind you, I've not heard about Laurie Brett leaving any time soon.
tammyy2j
28-07-2015, 12:09
I hope the writers don't forget or ignore the fact that Lauren and Peter know it was Bobby
Max is Lauren's dad and also the ex husband of Tanya who is Jane's best friend and Tanya is also on good terms with Adam aka Ian too :p
parkerman
28-07-2015, 14:14
I don't think they will forget about Peter and Lauren knowing and this could well be the key to getting Max out.
Sooner or later Abi will find out about Ben's relationship with Paul . This may cause her to contact Lauren and Peter about Max ? Is it for sure Max gets convicted of Lucy's murder?
Sooner or later Abi will find out about Ben's relationship with Paul . This may cause her to contact Lauren and Peter about Max ? Is it for sure Max gets convicted of Lucy's murder?
he is jail next week carol wants phil's ex stripper solicitor to represent him
Sooner or later Abi will find out about Ben's relationship with Paul . This may cause her to contact Lauren and Peter about Max ? Is it for sure Max gets convicted of Lucy's murder?
he is jail next week carol wants phil's ex stripper solicitor to represent him
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 18:30
he is jail next week carol wants phil's ex stripper solicitor to represent him
Entertainment as well as free board &
lodging!!!
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 18:30
he is jail next week carol wants phil's ex stripper solicitor to represent him
Entertainment as well as free board &
lodging!!!
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 18:35
Sooner or later Abi will find out about Ben's relationship with Paul . This may cause her to contact Lauren and Peter about Max ? Is it for sure Max gets convicted of Lucy's murder?
You could well be right Glen!
I knew a girl in this situation and
when she found out the truth-
It turned very nasty - even by EE standards!!
A "woman scorned"doesnt even begin
to describe what she did.
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 18:35
Sooner or later Abi will find out about Ben's relationship with Paul . This may cause her to contact Lauren and Peter about Max ? Is it for sure Max gets convicted of Lucy's murder?
You could well be right Glen!
I knew a girl in this situation and
when she found out the truth-
It turned very nasty - even by EE standards!!
A "woman scorned"doesnt even begin
to describe what she did.
You could well be right Glen!
I knew a girl in this situation and
when she found out the truth-
It turned very nasty - even by EE standards!!
A "woman scorned"doesnt even begin
to describe what she did.
i think abi could see ben with any dude straddling him and she'd still want ben
You could well be right Glen!
I knew a girl in this situation and
when she found out the truth-
It turned very nasty - even by EE standards!!
A "woman scorned"doesnt even begin
to describe what she did.
i think abi could see ben with any dude straddling him and she'd still want ben
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 19:54
i think abi could see ben with any dude straddling him and she'd still want ben
Yes- finding out the truth doesnt seem to cure
that sort of obsession - in fact can make it
stronger!!
It was the vengeance thats sought and the
damage done that I was referring to.
Because seem to still want that - even tho
it would make the object of their obsession
think even less of them!
They arent thinking rationally- or at all.
maidmarian
28-07-2015, 19:54
i think abi could see ben with any dude straddling him and she'd still want ben
Yes- finding out the truth doesnt seem to cure
that sort of obsession - in fact can make it
stronger!!
It was the vengeance thats sought and the
damage done that I was referring to.
Because seem to still want that - even tho
it would make the object of their obsession
think even less of them!
They arent thinking rationally- or at all.
what does max know did lauren tell him all or what did he see
why did lola leave, jay will get out as ben did
what does max know did lauren tell him all or what did he see
why did lola leave, jay will get out as ben did
parkerman
28-07-2015, 20:47
why did lola leave, jay will get out as ben did
Exactly what I was thinking. Has Ben been charged with robbery? Either way, Jay will now need her to stay in Walford, surely.
Ian: "We said we'd protect Bobby at all costs. This is the price we have to pay." The price they have to pay??? Tell Max that!
tammyy2j
28-07-2015, 21:36
If Max knows who the killer is, why not say unless he believes it is Abi who killed Lucy
I didn't like Lola's exit as it made no sense to me, she leaves her family and job to move to where Dexter is without Jay
How was Ben not charged with robbery or was he and is out on bail?
Anyone else laugh at Bobby's "die, die, die" to his computer game? The writers are taking great pleasure in reminding us of his guilt (and upping his creep factor) at every opportunity. :D
So Abi doesn't have any doubts that her father's a killer...and neither is she particularly disturbed by it! :eek:
It is possible that under pressure from Lauren to get her dad off, Jane "confesses" to the murder to protect Bobby and tells Ian and Lauren not to tell the police it was Bobby. That would still leave EE free to develop the Bobby Beale as a twisted psycho story. Mind you, I've not heard about Laurie Brett leaving any time soon.
That's a very good idea! I don't think the writers will want to lose Jane from the Beale family unit unless Laurie Brett decides to leave. Ian and Jane make a deliciously twisted co-dependent unit who seem to be taking it in turns to encourage each other when one of them weakens. I hope we don't lose that any time soon, although something's got to give somewhere along the line.
I knew a girl in this situation and
when she found out the truth-
It turned very nasty - even by EE standards!!
A "woman scorned"doesnt even begin
to describe what she did.
:eek:
I don't think Abi's a complete innocent in this situation (though that wouldn't occur to her of course). Ben did try to explain he still had feelings for men, but she completely shut him down. Her obsessiveness, not just about Ben but about being part of the Mitchell family, is even creepier than Bobby! When Ben acknowledged her as a Mitchell, I don't think he was complimenting her... :p
what does max know did lauren tell him all or what did he see
Max might have seen Jane putting Lucy's body into her car as he was nearby at the time - although I can't imagine why he wouldn't have said something before now. :searchme:
why did lola leave, jay will get out as ben did
Completely nonsensical writing!!! :angry:
How was Ben not charged with robbery or was he and is out on bail?
They had to let him go due to lack of evidence, but I'm sure Marsden's still hoping to get him with Jay's testimony.
maidmarian
29-07-2015, 08:47
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I don't think Abi's a complete innocent in this situation (though that wouldn't occur to her of course). Ben did try to explain he still had feelings for men, but she completely shut him down. Her obsessiveness, not just about Ben but about being part of the Mitchell family, is even creepier than Bobby! When Ben acknowledged her as a Mitchell, I don't think he was complimenting her... :p
When I put " found out" in my comment, perhaps
"confronted " would have been better!
But it didnt make any difference-I think she had
always suspected but refused to accept as it
didnt fit in with her vision of her life and what
should happen.
When Abi was first was in EE I presumed character
was meant to be sugary -weet and innocent -but that
actress not too good at portraying that
believably .As she was young and first big part
- just accepted that.
But now and for some time Ive thought differently.
She isnt innocent and is very creepy as you say.
Be interesting to see if she does turn into a
"true Mitchell"-particularly if she is in a position in
public where she cannot deny truth about Ben-
except to herself!! And what she will due for revenge!!
Beyond shabby, I'm fuming. This is coming from someone who had already given up on the show and has only tuned back in for the episodes with DCI Marsden. Didn't even appear for 15 minutes and she was gone by 25 minutes. No duff duff/Julia's theme and I think Lola/Danielle deserved that at least.
Lola has been with Jay for two minutes (almost literally thanks to DTC's underuse of the character.) The writing is ridiculously inconsistent and implausible. One minute Lola was saying she couldn't leave, then she's prepared to go on the run with him, dragging a three year old into that life too. Presumably Billy was thinking that if Jay was prevented from going by the police, Lola would stay. If she left angry with him and then stayed due to securing a good job, it wouldn't have been quite so bad but she then forgives him and still goes! She forgave him in a minute after he basically treated her like Phil treats him and he didn't even argue his case or say that a life on the run can't last (could have had a nod to Phil being on the run) or that it's no life for a little girl. She didn't even know for sure that she'd lost her job and just went. Oh and worst of all, she's going to the awful Dexter. As if she'd do that after he kept trying it on with her.
The only way Lola should have left was via her mother coming into her life. Having a parent around would be something new for Lola and it would have justified her walking out on her grandfather who has been there for her through the last four years. And it would have given her a storyline. She has never had a storyline that hasn't involved Lexi. Having her and the custody thing and that was it.
As for the aftermath, Ben suddenly seems to care that Lola's gone. He's shown no interest in Lexi so far and I suppose we'll be 'treated' to some off screen custody thing when Kathy's back and they want Lexi back on screen. It seems that Mitchell men must get their kids above all else; that was why Kathy was killed off in the first place.
Jay to my mind should be in less trouble than Ben. He buried the items under pressure from somebody who had already snapped and killed someone. For all he knew, the same could have happened to him had he refused and/or reported Ben.
The absolute pits were reached in the continuity department on Monday. Ben is 19, not 18. How can you get wrong the age of a character who was born on screen, especially when there is a full list of births on Wikipedia?
tammyy2j
29-07-2015, 22:08
I think Ben was mad and upset Jay got arrested if he knew not that Lexi and Lola were gone or did he think Jay was gone with them too
Ben and Jay are very close
How is Jay going to stay around when he is released, he will go after Lola to be with her so losing another good actor
That's another problem with the lack of screentime around Lola's exit, it's open to interpretation. That Ben was bothered about Lexi was mine, but of course he could well have been worried about Jay. Perhaps there is a heart in there and he feels bad that Jay has now been carted off when he was only involved in the whole thing because of him.
I thought that they knew that Jay had been arrested because of the scene where Billy was telling Phil that he didn't have any family because of what he'd just done (which since Lola forgave him at the station, was technically a retcon within the same episode.)
When Lola got the salon job, I thought she'd be on screen for a couple more months! She never even found out that Phil was technically paying her wages for a while, did she?
yes ben knew about jay and billy at least i thought he did
so many things wrong with lola's exit like she forgave billy but still had to leave
also how come phil let lexi go so easy
yes ben knew about jay and billy at least i thought he did
so many things wrong with lola's exit like she forgave billy but still had to leave
also how come phil let lexi go so easy
When I put \" found out\" in my comment, perhaps
\"confronted \" would have been better!
But it didnt make any difference-I think she had
always suspected but refused to accept as it
didnt fit in with her vision of her life and what
should happen.
When Abi was first was in EE I presumed character
was meant to be sugary -weet and innocent -but that
actress not too good at portraying that
believably .As she was young and first big part
- just accepted that.
But now and for some time Ive thought differently.
She isnt innocent and is very creepy as you say.
Be interesting to see if she does turn into a
\"true Mitchell\"-particularly if she is in a position in
public where she cannot deny truth about Ben-
except to herself!! And what she will due for revenge!!
Your sentence in bold above made me think of a description of borderline personality disorder I once heard. It's not in any official symptom list, but I did find this:
"they experience intense abandonment fears and inappropriate anger..."
in an online description of BPD - which fits Abi to a tee. Of course, her personality change has happened unrealistically quickly, but I think BPD is apt given the bad parenting and other stressors she's suffered over the years.
Symptom list:
A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:
Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
Identity disturbance, such as a significant and persistent unstable self-image or sense of self
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour
Emotional instability due to significant reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
Transient, stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms
Taken from: http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/
I think the symptoms I've underlined describe Abi quite well. I wonder if this is an accident or a deliberate decision taken by DTC? Either way, Abi's certainly got a lot more interesting recently! :D
tammyy2j
30-07-2015, 13:23
Who would have thought it that Abi and Bobby who always seemed the brightest and most intelligent two kids are psychos :p
parkerman
30-07-2015, 20:10
What a brilliant episode tonight. Not only were there three separate scenes with Winston in, but he even spoke.:cheer::thumbsup::cheer:
parkerman
30-07-2015, 20:11
Incidentally, Sharon mentioned someone called Denny. Who's he? Is he a new character?
What a brilliant episode tonight. Not only were there three separate scenes with Winston in, but he even spoke.:cheer::thumbsup::cheer:
:eek: I was about to tune out again but I will be watching that. Now all we need is Tracey.
tammyy2j
30-07-2015, 20:39
Lorna Fitzgerald who plays Abi is doing a great job, her dark side coming out more and more :p
I think Carol is going to cut all ties now too with Max
Jay is curfewed and has to stay in Walford for three months which during this time he or Lola who is away will have met someone new no doubt
Still no one has mentioned contacting Lauren
...Lola got that job quickly, considering Dean would have slated her for certain as she turned up for her new job at no point.
What does a 30 year old want with a games console?
...Lola got that job quickly, considering Dean would have slated her for certain as she turned up for her new job at no point.
What does a 30 year old want with a games console?
billy was lying about lola's job to me, he was just saving face as lola left him
the old stacey would have battered abi
Whatever's going on between Les and Claudette isn't as simple as an affair - if indeed it's an affair at all. She seems to have some kind of hold over him, although he doesn't resent her for it. Very strange... :hmm:
I think Carol is going to cut all ties now too with Max
I was shocked at Carol's attitude! To call him a b*stard is pretty strong language for EE! I would have thought she'd at least want to get his side before laying into him - especially given how close they've been recently. Now Stacy's promised to stay away from him, it seems he's got no one on his side. I could almost feel sorry for the selfish git! :crying:
...Lola got that job quickly, considering Dean would have slated her for certain as she turned up for her new job at no point.
I'm pretty sure the new job was just the excuse Billy used to explain her sudden absence.
What does a 30 year old want with a games console?
I know several 40 year olds who are addicted to their games consoles! Indeed, I still was at Martin's age. There's no other experience quite like the escapism of playing a really good game.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
parkerman
31-07-2015, 21:01
That Winston is a great dancer.
so tanya and abi haven't spoken in months till now
parkerman
31-07-2015, 21:07
I think I must have missed something somewhere, but can someone tell me why only Jay's prints were on Lucy's phone and purse and not Ben's.
tammyy2j
31-07-2015, 21:43
I think I must have missed something somewhere, but can someone tell me why only Jay's prints were on Lucy's phone and purse and not Ben's.
Or Denise, Jane, Phil or Ian anyone else I missed who handled them
Pam looked lovely
Why is no one mentioning or contacting Lauren :angry:
did ben rob a shop or off licence the night he mugged lucy too, how is there no evidence against ben but there is for jay
I think I must have missed something somewhere, but can someone tell me why only Jay's prints were on Lucy's phone and purse and not Ben's.
I think Ben's prints were on Lucy's phone and purse, but he had a very different experience than Jay at the police station - he had the pitbull that is Ritchie in his corner. The only evidence was fingerprints (which can easily be explained away), so Marsden was dependant on breaking Ben and/or Jay to get a confession.
Ritchie propped up Ben and kept insisting he say "no comment", even when he was seriously faltering. Presumably, Jay didn't have the support of such a tough solicitor, so he inadvertently said something to implicate himself under pressure.
We know that Marsden wouldn't have let up until she got what she wanted, although Jay managed to hold out on implicating Ben (I'd have loved to have witnessed Marsden's frustration at this blow btw :D).
Anyway, that's my take on it with a large helping of guesswork! It would have been nice to have had a couple of lines of dialogue to clear it up though. :)
As for the off-licence hold-up, there can't be any evidence of Ben or Jay's involvement. I think the only thing the police had to go on for that was that one of the men was wearing a hat like Jay's.
Or Denise, Jane, Phil or Ian anyone else I missed who handled them
The other fingerprints on Lucy's phone and purse can be explained as easily as Ben and Jay's - they were all friends and family of Lucy's, and could easily have picked up her things at any time.
Why is no one mentioning or contacting Lauren :angry:
This is a serious plot hole that needs to be addressed!
Following on from my above post, I've also read another theory online that Jay confessed to the mugging to save Ben because he has no previous convictions. However, I think the latter would have had a lot more to say than "Thanks for not grassing me up" if that were the case. Also, surely Phil would have been on his hands and knees with gratitude?
I still prefer my theory that Jay had a sh*te solicitor that was incapable of protecting him like the fierce Ritchie did Ben. :D
was ritchie not jay's solicitor too
was ritchie not jay's solicitor too
It's impossible to say for certain since we were told nothing. I err on the side of no, because why would she not get Jay off like she did Ben? There was more evidence against Ben, so it doesn't make sense that she couldn't do the same for Jay.
Phil had just told Jay he wasn't family, so even if Phil was prepared to pay for Ritchie to defend Jay, I think it's doubtful the latter (who was upset and furious) would have accepted. If he did, he might not have listened to her advice to stay silent.
There's a myriad possibilities, so it's impossible to know for sure what happened. My above explanation for why Jay was charged and not Ben is just my best guess. Maybe the theory that Jay admitted to a mugging he didn't do to protect Ben is more likely, but I don't understand why nobody mentioned it if that was the case. Did I miss something? :searchme:
parkerman
01-08-2015, 22:22
My explanation for what happened is sloppy scriptwriting.
maidmarian
01-08-2015, 23:29
My explanation for what happened is sloppy scriptwriting.
I agree-if the writers put in half the effort that
some of the posters doing analysing plots
- there would be a vast improvement.
I know soaps cant really mirror real-life ( too
mundane) but the viewer shouldnt have to
mind-read and guess so much. Often its
not necessary to show an event happening
-just a couple of lines would cover it.
I dont know if the glaring gaps we get fall
under continuity but they need someone
like proof- readers in publishing who
look out for errors/ omissions/contradictions.
Too much shadow -not enough substance.!
maidmarian
01-08-2015, 23:29
Dupl
did jay plead guilty as he was arrested charged and sentenced so quickly
My explanation for what happened is sloppy scriptwriting.
I agree it was sloppy not to clarify what happened to Jay after he was arrested. Maybe the writers felt it was so obvious it didn't need explaining? I also wonder if possibly a scene was cut due to time constraints...or maybe it'll be mentioned in the next episode?
I don't find the outcome itself sloppy because I've come across variations of either scenario I've suggested in countless ficional police procedurals. The case where the guilty person goes free because he can afford a killer lawyer, but his poorer friend goes down because he has to rely on an inept duty solicitor; or where the person with no previous convictions takes the rap to save a friend from prison.
I find both scenarios believable given Phil practically disowned Jay and would have no compunction in using him to further his own agenda. Plus, of course, there are probably numerous other explanations that also fit.
did jay plead guilty as he was arrested charged and sentenced so quickly
Yes.
tammyy2j
02-08-2015, 22:03
did ben rob a shop or off licence the night he mugged lucy too, how is there no evidence against ben but there is for jay
Is this what Jay was charged with so?
Is this what Jay was charged with so?
He was charged with the mugging according to the Daily Mail (I won't click on or link to that vile rag, but it came up in the search results when I googled it).
It's all very confusing! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
tammyy2j
02-08-2015, 22:27
He was charged with the mugging according to the Daily Mail (I won't click on or link to that vile rag, but it came up in the search results when I googled it).
It's all very confusing! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
The mugging of Lucy, but there would loads of fingerprints on her phone and wallet so how?
The mugging of Lucy, but there would loads of fingerprints on her phone and wallet so how?
I'm coming to the conclusion Jay must have admitted it to protect Ben from going to prison. Remember, Marsden warned the latter it would be a real prison this time. If Ritchie was Jay's solicitor, she could have pressured him into taking the fall (on instructions from Phil). I really hope this is clarified at some point!
The other fingerprints can be easily be explained as they're all from people who knew Lucy well and had easy access to her things.
tammyy2j
02-08-2015, 22:37
I'm coming to the conclusion Jay must have admitted it to protect Ben from going to prison. Remember, Marsden warned the latter it would be a real prison this time. If Ritchie was Jay's solicitor, she could have pressured him into taking the fall (on instructions from Phil). I really hope this is clarified at some point!
The other fingerprints can be easily be explained as they're all from people who knew Lucy well and had easy access to her things.
Phil don't fall into this category
tammyy2j
02-08-2015, 22:37
I'm coming to the conclusion Jay must have admitted it to protect Ben from going to prison. Remember, Marsden warned the latter it would be a real prison this time. If Ritchie was Jay's solicitor, she could have pressured him into taking the fall (on instructions from Phil). I really hope this is clarified at some point!
The other fingerprints can be easily be explained as they're all from people who knew Lucy well and had easy access to her things.
Phil don't fall into this category
Phil don't fall into this category
Were his fingerprints even on the phone and purse? I don't know if he took them out of the plastic bag. If they were, he's a friend of the family so could have picked them up at some point. While that's not likely, I don't think the police would seriously look at him for mugging Lucy anyway. He hasn't been a suspect for her murder either (I can't remember why though).
tammyy2j
02-08-2015, 22:47
Were his fingerprints even on the phone and purse? I don't know if he took them out of the plastic bag. If they were, he's a friend of the family so could have picked them up at some point. While that's not likely, I don't think the police would seriously look at him for mugging Lucy anyway. He hasn't been a suspect for her murder either (I can't remember why though).
If Phil's prints were on them Marsden would have in :p unless he too was having an affair with Lucy like Max :sick:
It is very sloppy writing for Jay's whole arrest and Lola's exit
It is very sloppy writing for Jay's whole arrest and Lola's exit
I wouldn't mind if the writers would just explain their thought processes. :wall:
Agree about poor Lola. :angry:
parkerman
02-08-2015, 23:37
Phil's fingerprints might be on them because he handed them in. Did he explain how he got them?
Phil's fingerprints might be on them because he handed them in. Did he explain how he got them?
he found them down his couch
Phil's fingerprints might be on them because he handed them in. Did he explain how he got them?
he found them down his couch
parkerman
03-08-2015, 09:32
he found them down his couch
Ah, yes. that's right. Thank you for reminding me.:)
he found them down his couch
Yes, that condundrum: how Phil was even allowed by Marsden to go. First he couldn't remember whether he found the items before or after the police searched his house, then he admitted one way or the other but I can't remember which. Either way would surely have been enough to have him for something. If he said before, then that's obstructing an investigation and whatever other associated charges. If he said after then surely it's obvious he was lying as the search team would surely have looked there.
Ben's prints were on Lucy's purse and phone I think. Marsden was talking about his prints being on there (I think it was before the items came back from the lab) and Richie said that unless she could date the prints, she'd be in trouble. I think we're just supposed to assume that the prints eventually came back and that Ben was released on that basis.
I agree, Jay probably had a duty solicitor and if Phil offered to pay for Richie, he'd have told him to stick it since he had again used him for his own ends. I'm not sure what "no comment" achieves but there we go, I'd say it makes you look like you've got something to hide.
It was as if Marsden just let Ben off because she and Richie knew that she'd overstepped the line earlier. I agree with Dazzle, we should've seen it both because Marsden having to let Ben go would have been entertaining and because we'd have been given a (probably implausible) reason for his release. If I were Marsden, I'd have been making enquiries into when it was that Lucy got that phone - if it was after August 2012, then surely it would have been evidence against Ben as his prints couldn't have got there by innocent means prior to his going to prison. He'd have to have at least seen Lucy while in breach of his bail conditions, which she could have done him for.
Did anyone ever find out that Jay mugged Lucy in 2009? If so, then perhaps Jay's form for the specific offence counted against him.
parkerman
03-08-2015, 11:00
I'm a bit hazy about this but wasn't the law changed some time in the 1990s so that a court could consider silence or "no comment" as, if not a presumption of guilt, at least no longer a presumption of innocence. Until then the law held that the prosecution had to prove its case and if the defendant remained silent or just answered no comment, the jury were not allowed to draw any inference from it, but this changed, so that the jury could draw its own conclusion from the defendant's refusal to answer. I seem to remember this because there was a big "human rights" outcry about this change of law at the time. Does anyone know more about this?
did phil hand in the phone and wallet to perhaps implicate jay as well as ben
parkerman
03-08-2015, 13:30
did phil hand in the phone and wallet to perhaps implicate jay as well as ben
No. He definitely did it as he was worried about Ben and felt it was the best thing to do.
I'm a bit hazy about this but wasn't the law changed some time in the 1990s so that a court could consider silence or "no comment" as, if not a presumption of guilt, at least no longer a presumption of innocence. Until then the law held that the prosecution had to prove its case and if the defendant remained silent or just answered no comment, the jury were not allowed to draw any inference from it, but this changed, so that the jury could draw its own conclusion from the defendant's refusal to answer. I seem to remember this because there was a big "human rights" outcry about this change of law at the time. Does anyone know more about this?
1. "You do not have to say anything unless you wish to do so, but what you say may be given in evidence."
This was the original caution given upon arrest and again prior to interview .
2.
You do not have to say anything. But if you do not mention now something which you later use in your defence, the court may decide that your failure to mention it now strengthens the case against you. A record will be made of anything you say and it may be given in evidence if you are brought to trial."
This was drawn up by, guess who, Michael Howard .in an attempt to stop the no comment, and sometimes the complete silent responses to questions. This was thought to be too much for the average bobby to remember and the next caution was introduced.
3.You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."
So you are right Parkerman also there was a a human rights issue based upon the caution giving a right to silence but then being a threat if that right was used.
Yes, that condundrum: how Phil was even allowed by Marsden to go.
Yes, that was glossed over very quickly. If I remember correctly, there was a time jump of a couple of days after the cliffhanger of Phil handing over the phone and purse. Again, it's very annoying when interesting details happen off-screen! I think the writers under-estimate the attention span of their audience... :wall:
I agree, Jay probably had a duty solicitor and if Phil offered to pay for Richie, he'd have told him to stick it since he had again used him for his own ends.
At last, someone who agrees with me! I could kiss your right now Kim! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/kisses/smileys-kisses-738604.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Regarding the "no comment" trick: of course it makes a suspect looks guilty as hell, but I think the point is that if you don't implicate yourself you're less likely to end up in court anyway. It's very easy to lose your cool and inadvertently say something incriminating under the pressure of hours of interrogation.
We saw Ben nearly flip under the strain of Marsden's questioning, but Ritchie kept him strong. That's what gave me the idea that Jay did cave under pressure without the support of someone as strong as her by his side.
There was certainly a time jump, but I believe it was between Marsden warning Phil that wasting police time was a serious offence and him appearing back at home. There could only have been a few hours skipped between Phil handing the stuff in and his next appearance, as I recall Marsden saying that there had to be something going on because Phil had turned up at the station without handcuffs.
tammyy2j
03-08-2015, 21:17
Where is Chelesa suppose to be? I think Libby is gone from Oxford as in kicked out or has she finished her studies there?
I thought Claudette would know Phil as Vincent grew up near them
tammyy2j
03-08-2015, 21:17
Max will need a tougher solicitor
Where is Chelesa suppose to be? I think Libby is gone from Oxford as in kicked out or has she finished her studies there?
I thought Claudette would know Phil as Vincent grew up near them
She had finished her original course but started a Masters. She was also working at the college as a research assistant. If she has been kicked out then she'd presumably be unemployed also or hiding the fact that she was in a basic job somewhere else. For all we know she could have left the Masters course of her own accord - I can't see Denise taking the news well if Libby had dropped out and Libby would know that. At one point Libby wanted to go to a university closer to home or not at all and Denise was pressuring her for Oxford.
Presumably Chelsea is still in Spain. It was where Libby and Chelsea went when they left in 2010 after the truth about Lucas was exposed. Libby took a sabbatical so would have returned to Oxford in 2011, whereas Chelsea had no ties.
Max will need a tougher solicitor
Max's lawyer was exactly the kind of inept duty solicitor I imagined for Jay. Maybe they both had the same one! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
It's kind of laughable that the aging Phil could batter the strapping Vincent and leave him looking terrorised, but I must admit that Phil looks pretty scary when he's all worked up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/afraid/smileys-afraid-990255.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
so claudette will make phil pay what did he do to her?
is that it for libby no secret reveal
les wanted to wear claudette's dress but he cant fill them out like her :p she is quite a voluptuous lady
at least ronnie remembers dean raped linda
so claudette will make phil pay what did he do to her?
is that it for libby no secret reveal
les wanted to wear claudette's dress but he cant fill them out like her :p she is quite a voluptuous lady
at least ronnie remembers dean raped linda
so claudette will make phil pay what did he do to her?
She won't stand for anyone daring to touch her precious Vincent. :nono:
It's obvious Claudette wears the trousers in that relationship. :D
is that it for libby no secret reveal
DTC likes to keep us dangling. :p
les wanted to wear claudette's dress but he cant fill them out like her :p she is quite a voluptuous lady
You know, I haven't given much credence to the overriding internet theory that Les is a secret cross-dresser until tonight, but it fits with that scene in Claudette's house when he started disrobing. If she knows his secret and he feels comfortable being his alter-ego in her presence, then he's going to want to spend significant time with her. Despite the teases, I'm certain they're not having an affair, and cross-dressing seems to be a perfect fit with what we currently know.
at least ronnie remembers dean raped linda
Let's hope to goodness Ronnie deals with Dean. I can't see him coping with Roxy's rejection gracefully... :angry:
tammyy2j
05-08-2015, 10:49
I wonder did Phil or his father do something to Claudette's husband also Vincent's father, it sounded like it was Claudette's plan for Vincent to integrate himself with the Mitchells especially Phil
Is Buster working for Phil now?
I wonder did Phil or his father do something to Claudette's husband also Vincent's father, it sounded like it was Claudette's plan for Vincent to integrate himself with the Mitchells especially Phil
That's right, she said something in the kitchen about a plan. I think she's angry about more than just Vincent's beating.
Is Buster working for Phil now?
It seems they've reached some kind of understanding. I wonder if Vincent will rue the day he sacked Buster?
I thought Richard Blackwood's acting was a bit on the dodgy side last night. He's exceeded my expectations overall though (mind you, my expectations were pretty low :D).
claudette is intriguing me more, want her mitchell revenge to succeed
parkerman
06-08-2015, 21:39
Good to see Winston enjoying a nice lunch in the Queen Vic.:thumbsup:
tammyy2j
06-08-2015, 23:15
I don't mind Vincent with Kim and the adorable Pearl, their family dynamic works well, he needs to stop acting all macho and tough and keep well away for Ronnie
Does Roxy ever think of Amy :angry:
Ian is right, Jane and Ian need to stop being so close and helpful to Carol the sister of "the killer of daughter Lucy" how is no one asking why are they doing this :nono:
I wish Pam would finally confront Les
parkerman
06-08-2015, 23:29
Ian is right, Jane and Ian need to stop being so close and helpful to Carol the sister of "the killer of daughter Lucy" how is no one asking why are they doing this :nono:
Indeed. I got the feeling tonight that Sharon thought there was something odd going on as she gave Jane a quizzical look when she went out after Carol. May be nothing of course.....
tammyy2j
06-08-2015, 23:34
Indeed. I got the feeling tonight that Sharon thought there was something odd going on as she gave Jane a quizzical look when she went out after Carol. May be nothing of course.....
Yes I thought both Sharon and Donna were looking oddly at Ian and Jane for going over to Carol
Sharon already made a comment to Linda if it were Denny (when thinking Ben killed Lucy) she would call the police on him now let her say something similar to Ian and Jane
I don't mind Vincent with Kim and the adorable Pearl, their family dynamic works well, he needs to stop acting all macho and tough and keep well away for Ronnie
I think they make a nice family too. The chemistry between Vincent and Kim is very good. Shame it's obviously not going to last as he's going after Ronnie again (possibly on Claudette's orders?).
I'm fuming that the cameras we speculated might catch Dean out actually helped him catch Ronnie out! How I detest that smug ****! :angry:
(Embarrassingly, I wrote earlier today on the Roxy thread that I thought Ronnie really does love Charlie... :o)
donna really having a rant at carol over max for being a killer but don't mind dean the rapist hanging around
tammyy2j
07-08-2015, 20:48
Is Phil's solicitor Ritchie not listed in the phonebook i.e. her office etc., Carol could get her contact information from that
There must be a reason Sharon's solicitor who is connected to Den is around again any chance she could be Sharon's real mother and also did she look at the Queen Vic like she was remembering something
buster and phil could be brothers is phil paying for shirley's flat he already coughed up lola's wages
Is Phil's solicitor Ritchie not listed in the phonebook i.e. her office etc., Carol could get her contact information from that
I was thinking that. Why didn't Carol just google Ritchie? Even if she doesn't know her full name, Ritchie isn't a common name so I'm sure she'd be fairly easy to find. She just immediately gave up when Phil said no! :wall:
I wonder why the police called at her house? Paranoid Jane immediately assumed the worst of course. She and Ian are taking it in turns to crack up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
There must be a reason Sharon's solicitor who is connected to Den is around again any chance she could be Sharon's real mother and also did she look at the Queen Vic like she was remembering something
There was definitely a significance to the lingering glance at the Vic. It seemed to me that she already knows who Sharon's dad is, and there must be a connection to the pub if that look was anything to go by.
My favourite theory is still that Pete was Sharon's dad making her and Ian siblings (remember one of the samples for the DNA test they did was corrupted but they bizarrely decided not to do another). As Pete was Den's best friend, that could explain Margaret's meaningful glance towards the Vic.
The overriding theory online (and probably the likeliest solution) is that Gavin (Kathy's husband) is Sharon's father. That would open up countless storyline possibilities given what we know about him from spoilers. Also, bringing him in with strong links with major characters already in place immediately makes him more interesting.
Since Claudette appears to be a bit of a villain, and Les is pretty dodgy himself, I'm wondering if their secret is something criminal?
well holy crap didn't expect that from cora and cindy now liam knows
Some brilliant twists and turns tonight.
I'm glad the blood in the car lot office hasn't been forgotten, and that Jane has a conscience. I think Ian does too but he's more terrified of losing his family. Will Liam's new-found knowledge come into play as Kim speculated on one of the spoiler threads?
Carol's attitude to Cora was callous. :angry:
tammyy2j
10-08-2015, 23:26
I think now Ian and Jane will try to convince themselves that it was Max's blow to Lucy that killed her not Bobby's blow
I am hoping Jane will confess she killed Lucy
I am worried for Cindy and Liam now, that Bobby is dangerous
At least Peter got a mention tonight but I thought Peter told Ian and Jane that he told Lauren everything before they left together, I am sure Peter filled Lauren in on everything at Lucy's graveside and if they know Max is arrested they would not let him stay in prison
Seem to recall that according to the Pathologists report, the cause of Lucy's death was from a single blow to the head. This would probably help convince Jane and Ian of Max's guilt and Bobby's innocence. If Cindy's got any sense , she needs to be out of the Beale household a.s.a.p.
If Jane and Ian become convinced Max was responsible for Lucy's death after all, it's a good way for the writers to leave Max rotting in prison whilst not making the Beales completely unsympathetic.
parkerman
11-08-2015, 17:38
Seem to recall that according to the Pathologists report, the cause of Lucy's death was from a single blow to the head. This would probably help convince Jane and Ian of Max's guilt and Bobby's innocence. If Cindy's got any sense , she needs to be out of the Beale household a.s.a.p.
Surely if the cause was a single blow that would prove it was Bobby.
Surely if the cause was a single blow that would prove it was Bobby.
Pathologists can pinpoint the injury that killed someone, so maybe Ian and Jane could convince themselves the blow caused by Max would have been fatal even without Bobby's help. It wouldn't really have to make sense to us anyway. As long as Ian and Jane can convince themselves that's what happened so they can stick their heads in the sand about Bobby.
I think this is purely speculation anyway.
parkerman
11-08-2015, 17:57
But they know Lucy was alive when Bobby hit her on the head......
But they know Lucy was alive when Bobby hit her on the head......
Head injuries can take hours or even days to kill, which is why people who bang their head badly should seek medical advice even if they feel fine. I think it's down to bleeding in the brain.
The truth is the pathologists report would describe what happened pretty accurately, so Ian and Jane would have to be pretty desperate to cling to that as a solution (which I think they are at this point!).
ian needs to get jane to think max did it really not bobby so she wont break and talk
If Lucy had a single blow to the head then yes, categorically Bobby is responsible. I can't recall anything being stated either way (whether one or more.) I don't think Lucy's cause of death has been mentioned since the week of her death, when it was presumably kept as vague as possible so as to help with the mystery.
Had Lucy sustained two blows to the head, then Bobby might be wholly responsible (if his was proven the fatal one,) not responsible (if another was fatal,) or partially (if it were a combination of the two.) A blow to the head may not result in death until some time later, as evidenced in the cases of Pauline Fowler and Emma Summerhayes (although not hit over the head, hit her head and seemed fine afterwards.) I'm not sure what tests can show with regards to cause of death when there are multiple blows, but as Zoe Slater has never been deemed responsible for Den Watts's death, I'm assuming that they can determine the contribution of each blow.
max didn't hit her in car lot office she had a nose bleed or fell and cut herself if i remember rightly
max didn't hit her in car lot office she had a nose bleed or fell and cut herself if i remember rightly
She fell in an argument but he didn't push her. I'm surprised that didn't show up in any tests. Maybe they are about to exhume the body and find that in a fresh autopsy.
I think all we've been told is that Lucy died from a blow to the head. A pathologist would be able to pick up signs of each individual injury, the timeline, and also determine which one killed her. They can also tell from skull trauma if a blow was the result of a fall or being deliberately hit over the head.
Presumably, since we've not been told any different, the police can tell the last injury Lucy received was both deliberate and the fatal one. What we've been speculating about is Ian and Jane persuading themselves the fall which caused the blood in the car lot was deliberate and that it killed her (eventually). I don't think the police themselves (even the inept EE police) can be confused about the timeline or which blow killed Lucy.
ian looked very evil in his stare to liam, how is gina going to take both if she didn't want cindy, hope jane cracks
parkerman
11-08-2015, 20:46
I thought it was unrealistic that Liam didn't say anything about the fact that if Bobby did it then his Uncle Max was innocent and that was why he would tell the police. Would he really go away to Devon - even for Cindy - and let Max face a murder trial?
And, even more unrealistic.....who set up Pam's stall in the market?
I thought it was unrealistic that Liam didn't say anything about the fact that if Bobby did it then his Uncle Max was innocent and that was why he would tell the police. Would he really go away to Devon - even for Cindy - and let Max face a murder trial?
And, even more unrealistic.....who set up Pam's stall in the market?
Totally agree, and such a radical change of direction from Cindy after being pushed to the floor ,threatened and eyeballed by Bobby. Had a look at old posts on SoapBoards, police told Ian cause of Lucy's death was a blow to the head, which at the time was probably designed to sidetrack viewers and implicate Max . Why a second injury wasn't found never explained. :hmm:
Pam's stall could have been set up by Winston :cheer:
Why a second injury wasn't found never explained. :hmm:
If the pathologist was in the least bit competent the second injury would have been found. We just weren't given any of the details of the post mortem results (probably to keep us guessing and to give the writers leeway if they wanted to change things).
tammyy2j
11-08-2015, 22:14
Ian was bullying Liam, Liam should tell Carol and also Bianca the truth, Bianca could come back and sort Ian out
I agree Cindy change was so out of character and too soon, Is Jane sick, the stress is too much for her, be good if Jane told the police herself on Bobby
Tanya also needs to come and check on Cora and Abi, they need her
I am still waiting for Lauren to be contacted
Dean wants to keep getting "laid" stop being an evil rapist then :angry:
good to hear ronnie call dean a rapist
that was liam's last episode i think
I thought it was unrealistic that Liam didn't say anything about the fact that if Bobby did it then his Uncle Max was innocent and that was why he would tell the police. Would he really go away to Devon - even for Cindy - and let Max face a murder trial?
Agreed. When we were talking about Liam's exit on another thread I said he'd do anything for Cindy, but I don't think he'd go so far as to see an innocent relative serve a life sentence. He's just too decent for that.
Also, unless Cindy's leaving too (which I doubt), why would he stay away from Albert Square?
Totally agree, and such a radical change of direction from Cindy after being pushed to the floor ,threatened and eyeballed by Bobby.
I got the feeling that Cindy changed her mind because she was afraid of losing Ian and Jane (who she sees as her only family). She was relieved when she thought Jane had told Carol, but if it was her fault the truth came out then Ian and Jane would probably disown her (again).
that was liam's last episode i think
I hope not, that was very abrupt! Surely we'll see Liam make a decision tomorrow? :searchme:
Ian needs Kathy to come back and sort him out quickly! :p
tammyy2j
12-08-2015, 12:46
I thought it was unrealistic that Liam didn't say anything about the fact that if Bobby did it then his Uncle Max was innocent and that was why he would tell the police. Would he really go away to Devon - even for Cindy - and let Max face a murder trial?
And, even more unrealistic.....who set up Pam's stall in the market?
Liam's gran Carol is recovering from cancer and the stress of Max being in prison isn't good for her, he should speak up :angry:
Then again would anyone really believe though Bobby as the killer unless Jane and Ian confirm it, Liam could be laughed at but he does need to speak up and tell
the evil look of ian he could kill liam to keep him quiet
parkerman
12-08-2015, 21:51
the evil look of ian he could kill liam to keep him quiet
Or he could get Bobby to kill him.....
maidmarian
12-08-2015, 22:02
Or he could get Bobby to kill him.....
With Bobbys state of mind-anything is
possible!
tammyy2j
13-08-2015, 11:09
Should Abi be arrested, how many how times now has she changed her story on Max to the police and also her own fight with Lucy on the night she died
Should Abi be arrested, how many how times now has she changed her story on Max to the police and also her own fight with Lucy on the night she died
I think she would be in reality but Keeble's already said she won't get into trouble if she tells the truth now. The writers obviously feel Abi facing charges would be an inconvenience at the moment...
how can liam think he can be done as accessory and for concealing evidence so for 100k if ian pays he sells his family
parkerman
13-08-2015, 23:20
Yes, my thought too. Liam can hardly be accused of being an accessory or even concealing evidence really if he reports it to the police now. Of course, it would mean Cindy could be accused of both. But, even so, I don't think Liam would allow Max to go down for something he didn't do and how is he going to react when Carol tells him that Max is guilty?
Ha ha...I enjoyed Liam's unexpected blackmail of Ian. Serve Ian right for repeatedly calling him thick! :p
Although I still feel it's out of character, I could live with Liam leaving with a great wad of cash (though I doubt it'd be 100k) if he thought he was saving his beloved Cindy from a prison sentence. His feelings for Cindy are obviously much stronger than those for Max, and they might even override his love for Carol. I can buy that even though I acknowledge it's a stretch for such a usually decent character. (I don't think he took Ian's threat of being imprisoned himself very seriously.)
There may yet be more twists to come in Liam's story though.
Poor Max has lost his last supporter. I did enjoy Carol calling him out on his womanising though. :D
Dean acting like butter wouldn't melt... :angry: Let's hope Ronnie goes through with her threats!
I think now Ian and Jane will try to convince themselves that it was Max's blow to Lucy that killed her not Bobby's blow
Good call Tammy! Ian tried to convince Jane although she wasn't buying. I'd have like it if the writers had gone further down that road.
who did jane call, was expecting cora to tell jane she saw her moving something late night of murder
parkerman
15-08-2015, 00:12
who did jane call, was expecting cora to tell jane she saw her moving something late night of murder
She called an estate agent.
maidmarian
15-08-2015, 00:36
who did jane call, was expecting cora to tell jane she saw her moving something late night of murder
She will probably do that-just when they
think theyve sorted things - again
maidmarian
15-08-2015, 00:36
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