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storyseeker1
23-10-2015, 01:58
Poor Kathy. That Gavin has really done a number on her head. She doesn't know right from wrong anymore. I can understand why Ian would throw her out after her admission, though I think he might have been a little more understanding himself. After all, she did come clean instead of going through with the plan. If she really was intent, she could have kept quiet and he'd never know until it was too late.
At least Pam is now taking the next step to understanding Les.
Rear window
23-10-2015, 08:43
When Ian told Kathy it did tick the box for everyone knowing now. So is she coming clean to the police or snitching Ian and Bobby up? :-) She could probably tell the police too and they'd not care still!
I am pleased Pam has asked to meet Christine.
Rear window
23-10-2015, 08:43
dup.
kathy should tell gavin about bobby, he can blackmail the beales
ronnie didn't go vincent about dean he is not her "cleaner" or did his mammy wake her up
parkerman
23-10-2015, 10:43
When Ian told Kathy it did tick the box for everyone knowing now. So is she coming clean to the police or snitching Ian and Bobby up? :-) She could probably tell the police too and they'd not care still!
I can't imagine Kathy would tell the police about Bobby; she loves her boys too much.....
"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D
Rear window
23-10-2015, 20:49
Were those legs shaved..?
S was that the house that Sharon went to?
Rear window
23-10-2015, 20:49
Were those legs shaved..?
S was that the house that Sharon went to?
"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D
and kate garraway
gavin house looks like house sharon visited for her father
"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D
and kate garraway
gavin house looks like house sharon visited for her father
I really enjoyed Friday's episode, especially the Christine scenes. I think the EE team really nailed those scenes - both the writing and the acting. I was really nervous when Pam was waiting for Christine and I was dreading Paul walking in, so you can tell I'm invested in the storyline. I thought for a minute that Pam was going to accept Christine and I'm gutted she didn't. I suppose it would have been too easy that way... :(
The Kathy scenes were an improvement too. Hopefully the storyline will continue to get better. Perhaps it was Marsden's involvement that lifted things. :D
Gavin's sister's house looks suspiciously similar to Sharon's father's. The shots of the two houses were completely different so it's impossible to be 100% sure, but, from the following pictures I've dug up, the railings outside (and across the road) look the same.
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Rumour has it that Gavin's sister is Margaret, the solicitor Sharon consulted about finding her biological father. Am I correct in thinking Sharon went to her because she knew Den? If that's true, it'd make sense for her to be the sister since Den knew Gavin. She also appeared to know more than she was saying.
storyseeker1
24-10-2015, 01:27
That would make a lot of sense. If Gavin wanted to hide or get rid of Sharon as a baby for some reason, then the fact his sister was a lawyer would help. She could deal with all the legal side of things, and do it without raising suspicion.
Then again, I imagine EE would also use the same set more than once, as it must be hard finding new scenes.
Yeah, I felt the same watching Les and Pam, too. I was rooting for Pam to make up with Les, but I also knew it was more realistic for her not to. After all, it is a tremendous lot for her to deal with. You can hardly blame her. Hopefully, when she's had some time to calm down and think things through, she'll go talk with Les again.
Rear window
24-10-2015, 10:17
Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...
Ruffed_lemur
24-10-2015, 21:41
The Christine scenes were brilliant! Such good acting, and a very interesting storyline. Hope Pam can accept Les and Christine.
That would make a lot of sense. If Gavin wanted to hide or get rid of Sharon as a baby for some reason, then the fact his sister was a lawyer would help. She could deal with all the legal side of things, and do it without raising suspicion.
Then again, I imagine EE would also use the same set more than once, as it must be hard finding new scenes.
Yeah, I felt the same watching Les and Pam, too. I was rooting for Pam to make up with Les, but I also knew it was more realistic for her not to. After all, it is a tremendous lot for her to deal with. You can hardly blame her. Hopefully, when she's had some time to calm down and think things through, she'll go talk with Les again.
as a a Londoner you know roughly what area of London you are in by the buildings, so those photos say to me North London, maybe NW? so could well be the same house
parkerman
25-10-2015, 09:54
The house Sharon went to was in Notting Hill - West London.
Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...
yes thought so too, but was then free to run in house to see blood
Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...
yes thought so too, but was then free to run in house to see blood
parkerman
25-10-2015, 11:13
I can't remember whether she was handcuffed or not, but she certainly would not have been allowed to run back into the house.
xx_Dan_xx
26-10-2015, 20:38
That women must be Gavin's sister.
That women must be Gavin's sister.
yes margaret must be
why does ronnie need linda's help with dean
That women must be Gavin's sister.
yes margaret must be
why does ronnie need linda's help with dean
That women must be Gavin's sister.
I'll be astonished if Margaret isn't Gavin's sister after Monday's episode. She's a similar age and there's even a resemblance to him. It would also explain why the police wanted to speak to her.
It was also mentioned today (for the first time that I can recall) that Gavin's sister's house is in Notting Hill - as is Sharon's biological father's.
why does ronnie need linda's help with dean
Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:
Oh dear...I'd almost feel sorry for Phil if he wasn't such a bully. :D
It was nice to see Paul so supportive of Les. :clap:
Rear window
27-10-2015, 09:15
[QUOTE=Dazzle;833876]
Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:
So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?
Rear window
27-10-2015, 09:15
[QUOTE=Dazzle;833876]
Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:
So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?
Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.
Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.
must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive
Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.
must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive
So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?
I forgot about Vincent when I posted. He and Ronnie no longer appear to be allies (for the moment at least).
Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.
Me too! :D
must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive
When I heard that Gavin would break Phil, I jokingly speculated that he would get him hooked on heroin. I suppose alcohol is akin to heroin to Phil! I think it's likely Gavin forced him to drink while he was captive.
I'm disappointed Dean's being allowed in the Vic again. Fair enough if Linda wants to move on, but I still think she would bar Dean for life.
He's got a real nerve just walking in there! :angry:
xx_Dan_xx
27-10-2015, 22:29
How would Gavin know about his drinking problem? Was it something known when Kathy was still around?
How would Gavin know about his drinking problem? Was it something known when Kathy was still around?
Yes it was. From what I can remember, Kathy left Phil because his drinking was out of control. He even got violent with her and she was scared for Ben's safety.
parkerman
28-10-2015, 00:02
Phil had a broken leg but managed to get from the living room to the kitchen?
maidmarian
28-10-2015, 00:14
Phil had a broken leg but managed to get from the living room to the kitchen?
They did use to deaden the pain of operations
with alcohol - before anaesthetics!:)
They did use to deaden the pain of operations
with alcohol - before anaesthetics!:)
Phil had a broken leg but managed to get from the living room to the kitchen?
my Dad walked around at home for a week with a fractured hip/leg joint before seeking help?
They did use to deaden the pain of operations
with alcohol - before anaesthetics!:)
my Dad walked around at home for a week with a fractured hip/leg joint before seeking help?
and thinking about it my Mum broke her ankle, continued taking us swimming as kids and didn't have it diagnosed for three days.
They did use to deaden the pain of operations
with alcohol - before anaesthetics!:)
my Dad walked around at home for a week with a fractured hip/leg joint before seeking help?
and thinking about it my Mum broke her ankle, continued taking us swimming as kids and didn't have it diagnosed for three days.
Rear window
28-10-2015, 11:37
my Dad walked around at home for a week with a fractured hip/leg joint before seeking help?
I went for a hip xray at the walk in centre (GP refered) and they said they couldn't xray me there in case it was broken and could I please get myself to hospital to their xray machine.
I'd hobbled in so I assume people frequently do walk about no broken bones.
Rear window
28-10-2015, 11:37
my Dad walked around at home for a week with a fractured hip/leg joint before seeking help?
I went for a hip xray at the walk in centre (GP refered) and they said they couldn't xray me there in case it was broken and could I please get myself to hospital to their xray machine.
I'd hobbled in so I assume people frequently do walk about no broken bones.
tammyy2j
29-10-2015, 21:40
Does Ben really think he can stand up to and threaten Gavin even if he is a Mitchell
Is Jay and Ben still leaving when Jay's ankle tag comes off?
parkerman
29-10-2015, 23:07
The way to deal with Gavin is obvious. Set Bobby on to him.
storyseeker1
30-10-2015, 02:28
Does Ben really think he can stand up to and threaten Gavin even if he is a Mitchell
Is Jay and Ben still leaving when Jay's ankle tag comes off?
You can tell Ben is a Mitchell. He's as arrogant and deluded as Phil. They always seem to think they can scare anyone away, but this Gavin is worse than anyone they've ever faced (someone who makes Archie look like a saint apparently). Though I have to say I admire Ben for standing up to Gavin like that; if only he were more like that with his dad and finally admit to being gay, and tell Phil to accept it and get over it etc.
Somehow, I think Gavin might be a little much for Bobby to handle.
parkerman
30-10-2015, 09:15
Somehow, I think Gavin might be a little much for Bobby to handle.
Bobby is the devil incarnate. No-one can stand up to Bobby. He's already murdered someone and mesmerised the whole Square into getting someone else locked away for his crime. No-one can overcome Bobby. Remember Damien? :ninja:
moonstorm
30-10-2015, 20:51
I that it you mean little Damien from Only Fools and Horses????
Rear window
30-10-2015, 23:02
Well, that made me jump. I am probably not the best person to gauge how scary things are.
It's been a long time since I had a zippo but I have a feeling they get quite warm if you lave them burning. Might be wrong though.
Ad why didn't anyone just blow the thing out or smash his hand away?
Rear window
30-10-2015, 23:02
Well, that made me jump. I am probably not the best person to gauge how scary things are.
It's been a long time since I had a zippo but I have a feeling they get quite warm if you lave them burning. Might be wrong though.
Ad why didn't anyone just blow the thing out or smash his hand away?
The party revealed the new character. Is that a key n the chain around their neck?
Did Stacey recognise them?
The hospital scene with shabs was good in the sense she's let some more grief out. It is early days in that recovery.
storyseeker1
31-10-2015, 00:22
Well, whoever called it was right about Gavin and Sharon, though I was expecting that lawyer (Margaret?) to show up, and Kathy to recognise her as Gavin's sister (though that hasn't been confirmed yet).
I see Abi's still being her usual clingy-self. I thought for a minute she was gonna handcuff herself to Ben to make him go with her. Seriously, it could be the end of the world, and she'd still only think of herself.
"Hello, Princess." Brilliant!!! :cheer:
(For newer viewers, Gavin was mimicking Den when he said that. It's exactly how Den greeted Sharon when they first met after he was resurrected. I believe that was a duff duff too.)
I thought the episode was a little slow overall, but the last twenty minutes or so was entertaining and creepy. I'm now beginning to believe Gavin could rival Archie in the villainy stakes after all. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him - and Sharon's reaction to him. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
I that it you mean little Damien from Only Fools and Horses????
I think Parkerman probably means Damien from the Omen films. He was literally the devil incarnate. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/afraid/smileys-afraid-990255.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
The party revealed the new character. Is that a key n the chain around their neck?
Did Stacey recognise them?
I don't think Stacey recognised him and, yes, that was a key. I'd hazard a guess it's Stacey's key (last seen in the hands of Jean) or its identical twin.
parkerman
31-10-2015, 08:56
I'm trying to work this out....so is Sharon Ben's step sister as well as his step mother? (with various halves thrown in!)
I'm trying to work this out....so is Sharon Ben's step sister as well as his step mother? (with various halves thrown in!)
She is indeed. No halves in step siblings, it's just when one of your parents marries one of theirs. Awkward for the Mitchell side of this equation, but Ian will probably be delighted to have Sharon as a step sister. He's seen her as a sort of sister for a while, but obviously didn't want her to be his half-sister as it would have meant Pete was doing the dirty on Kathy.
Meanwhile Sharon's adoptive half-sister is now her step cousin once removed. As if Sharon's relationships with her siblings weren't complicated enough already.
parkerman
31-10-2015, 13:59
She is indeed. No halves in step siblings, it's just when one of your parents marries one of theirs.
Yes, of course, you're right. No halves involved because there is no natural parent in common.
does gavin remind anyone of den even before hello princess
owenlee4me
31-10-2015, 14:56
Well, that made me jump. I am probably not the best person to gauge how scary things are.
It's been a long time since I had a zippo but I have a feeling they get quite warm if you lave them burning. Might be wrong though.
Ad why didn't anyone just blow the thing out or smash his hand away?
Ha ha, yea that's what i thought, room full of adults and not one person made a draught (orally or some other way) then pounce on him.
I mean come on, Ben the Unterrified could have scare him away, maybe by saying "Boo"!!!!
Rear window
31-10-2015, 16:19
Ha ha, yea that's what i thought, room full of adults and not one person made a draught (orally or some other way) then pounce on him.
I mean come on, Ben the Unterrified could have scare him away, maybe by saying "Boo"!!!!
Yes! I think I have pent up anger issues from watching this sort of scene as I am itching for one of them to punch his lights quite literally out! :)
Rear window
31-10-2015, 16:19
Ha ha, yea that's what i thought, room full of adults and not one person made a draught (orally or some other way) then pounce on him.
I mean come on, Ben the Unterrified could have scare him away, maybe by saying "Boo"!!!!
Yes! I think I have pent up anger issues from watching this sort of scene as I am itching for one of them to punch his lights quite literally out! :)
Zippos are well known to "windproof" and hard to extinguish by blowing on the flame. It's possible of course, but any wrong move could have resulted in the lighter ending up in a box of explosives - exactly what they were so desperate to avoid!
The police don't try to tackle someone with their finger on a trigger for the same reason. They try to talk them around and any other measures are only taken when that's failed.
Gavin might not be physically menacing but people who are totally ruthless are scary because they don't have a line they won't cross. Kathy and Ben were completely convinced Gavin would blow them all up without a second thought. No doubt that's a terrifying situation to be in and one in which it's impossible to think clearly.
does gavin remind anyone of den even before hello princess
Yes, a more evil version of him. Seeing as they probably grew up together it's quite realistic really.
parkerman
31-10-2015, 17:38
I agree Dazzle. I didn't think it was unrealistic at all that they didn't try and blow out the flame or overpower Gavin. He was already talking of blowing himself up with the rest of them and it would only have taken a millisecond to drop the Zippo into the box. If I was there I certainly wouldn't have gone for him in any way.
xx_Dan_xx
02-11-2015, 23:28
Did Sharon's brain disappear half way through the episode, because I swear it disappeared towards the end...
parkerman
02-11-2015, 23:55
Did Sharon's brain disappear half way through the episode, because I swear it disappeared towards the end...
What brain's that then?
tammyy2j
02-11-2015, 23:59
I liked the scenes of Sharon and Gavin
Were Den and Eric Mitchell friends too?
storyseeker1
03-11-2015, 01:50
Unbelievable! After all that he said, Sharon still didn't up freeing Gavin! And I thought Kathy was the idiot one.
Then again, I can understand her feelings. I mean, finding her birth dad after all this time, she would understandably be shocked and confused, and grieved from all the things he said. Plus, Gavin is a master-manipulator, which we've already seen. But what she's done is obviously going to have repercussions, as he's free now to cause more havoc.
I liked the scenes of Sharon and Gavin
I agree, they were very good.
Did Sharon's brain disappear half way through the episode, because I swear it disappeared towards the end...
Do you mean that she freed Gavin? I'm not so sure that she did. I thought both she and Kathy looked guilty in the final shot, so I assumed both were in the frame. However, my money's on Gavin manipulating Dennis into letting him go. There were long periods when the adults of the household were in the kitchen discussing Gavin, and Dennis was upstairs alone. He could easily have crept downstairs to catch another glimpse of the strange man who'd claimed to be his grandfather.
Sarah Phelps, the writer who penned the episode where the newly resurrected Den greeted Sharon with the iconic "hello princess", has taken to Twitter to vent her disgust at Gavin claiming the line:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a676958/former-eastenders-scriptwriter-sarah-phelps-is-not-happy-the-soap-retconned-hello-princess.html#~psVYBrWCJuhNJf
That was a very funny tweet (though I think she's deleted it now), but I wonder if she's jumping the gun a bit there. Gavin quickly changed tack from uncaring brute of a sperm donor when Sharon said she was calling the police. I didn't believe him when he said he gave Den the "hello princess" line. I assumed he was just playing mind games to try to wrong foot her and buy himself more time. I hope she wasn't stupid enough to free the man who kidnapped and abused her husband... :wall:
I'm glad Mick changed his mind about getting rid of Dean permanently. It's good to have one completely moral man in the quagmire of liars, schemers and villains that is Albert Square nowadays. :thumbsup:
Unbelievable! After all that he said, Sharon still didn't up freeing Gavin! And I thought Kathy was the idiot one.
Then again, I can understand her feelings. I mean, finding her birth dad after all this time, she would understandably be shocked and confused, and grieved from all the things he said. Plus, Gavin is a master-manipulator, which we've already seen. But what she's done is obviously going to have repercussions, as he's free now to cause more havoc.
It seems I'm alone in not assuming Sharon freed Gavin. Maybe I'm giving her (and the writers) too much credit... :o
Rear window
03-11-2015, 08:44
OH it's all just part of the madness that is Eastenders at the moment.
So frustrating. He might have freed himself - but my money is on Sharon - she was last out of the room I think. (It has two doors, the one the copper was stood by and the one just before the kitchen door)
Why didn't the police burst in through all the rooms? They'd had a panic alarm go off. And why no one at the back gate too?
Gavin getting a crack over the head was excellent though.
I'd have liked someone to press the panic button there and then though.
I think it's quite Bond Villain isn't it. They always spend too much time talking to him and not just killing him and then he escapes.
Rear window
03-11-2015, 08:44
OH it's all just part of the madness that is Eastenders at the moment.
So frustrating. He might have freed himself - but my money is on Sharon - she was last out of the room I think. (It has two doors, the one the copper was stood by and the one just before the kitchen door)
Why didn't the police burst in through all the rooms? They'd had a panic alarm go off. And why no one at the back gate too?
Gavin getting a crack over the head was excellent though.
I'd have liked someone to press the panic button there and then though.
I think it's quite Bond Villain isn't it. They always spend too much time talking to him and not just killing him and then he escapes.
Writer Sarah Phelps has now calmed down about Gavin stealing "hello princess" from Den. Her latest, quite revealing tweet:
tbh now i;m not pissed as a stoat think Gavin manipulating Sharon will be cruel & intriguing
https://twitter.com/PhelpsieSarah/status/661439122251321344
I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the know had a word.
He might have freed himself - but my money is on Sharon - she was last out of the room I think.
Yes, it seems I got it wrong because on every site I've looked everybody assumes Sharon was the culprit. :o
why does phil have to give kathy more money, cant ian help her out
whitney and her make over don't fit the pub or carter clan, she is a spare part
why does phil have to give kathy more money, cant ian help her out
whitney and her make over don't fit the pub or carter clan, she is a spare part
Rear window
04-11-2015, 08:32
why does phil have to give kathy more money, cant ian help her out
whitney and her make over don't fit the pub or carter clan, she is a spare part
Kathy needs a job. What happens to your pension when you've pretended to be dead? She's 64 according to http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Kathy_Sullivan
Rear window
04-11-2015, 08:32
why does phil have to give kathy more money, cant ian help her out
whitney and her make over don't fit the pub or carter clan, she is a spare part
Kathy needs a job. What happens to your pension when you've pretended to be dead? She's 64 according to http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Kathy_Sullivan
Kathy needs a job. What happens to your pension when you've pretended to be dead? She's 64 according to http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Kathy_Sullivan
Depends on if the "death" was ever officially notified to the authorities, I imagine
parkerman
04-11-2015, 09:16
Kathy needs a job. What happens to your pension when you've pretended to be dead? She's 64 according to http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Kathy_Sullivan
Even if it was notified, when she reaches pensionable age she'll be entitled to her pension because she isn't actually dead. She will be done for fraud (as she is being) but she will still be entitled to her pension.
maidmarian
04-11-2015, 09:56
Theres a table on internet shows age when
women qualify for state pension. I think she
may already have qualified? Dependent on month
and year of birth.
Full pension payable if more than 30 yrs NI
contrubutions- lower amount if less years.
Not sure if any back dating-if dont claim
on time?
maidmarian
04-11-2015, 10:03
Dupl
parkerman
04-11-2015, 12:52
Theres a table on internet shows age when
women qualify for state pension. I think she
may already have qualified? Dependent on month
and year of birth.
Full pension payable if more than 30 yrs NI
contrubutions- lower amount if less years.
Not sure if any back dating-if dont claim
on time?
All I know is that whenever my wife nearly gets to pensionable age they move it on a few years. She started out expecting her pension at 60, we've now got up to 66!
maidmarian
04-11-2015, 13:16
All I know is that whenever my wife nearly gets to pensionable age they move it on a few years. She started out expecting her pension at 60, we've now got up to 66!
Yes - its upset a lot of peoples plans!!.At short
notice -in some cases.
When they started raising the age (in tranches)
a few years ago - women who thought they
would be retiring very shortly found out it
was deferred by 1-2 years and it went on
from.there.
The aim is meant to be to.equalise the
retirement age for men & women.
To 66 by 2020.and 67 by 2028.
Its sometimes thought theres a pension
pot with your NI contributions in it -
But theres no hidden funds- each years
current state pension.is paid out of
current contributions.
So with people living longer - who knows
what the age will eventually be!
Just hope your wife doesnt have to.wait too
long!
Stacey's guilty overreaction to Shabnam seeing the scan photo couldn't have been more obvious. I can't think of another reason she'd be so desperate to hide it other than the dates don't remotely match.
If Sharon stupidly released Gavin (as I now agree is likely), did she also give him the money from the safe? Is Gavin really so improbably cunning that he could manipulate a grown woman to protect him just minutes after she called the police on him? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Did anyone who like me reads the spoilers feel a shiver of anticipation at the mention of a lake at the site of Linda and Mick's wedding? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/dancing/smileys-dancing-176278.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
maidmarian
04-11-2015, 21:46
Re your final para in #9237 above-the answer
from me is YES- I hadnt realised it was at a lake-
assumed wedding near river?
Ive always thought lakes more eerie than
rivers or sea water!
Brought back a couple of memories
A bit from a poem by Edgar Allen Poe
called The Lake
"And Death was in its poisonous wave
And in its gulf a gruesome grave"
We were told the poem was about poets
loneliness and thoughts of suicide after
losing several family members to TB.
Secondly there was legend in the village
where we lived as children. It was said
that the ghost of a young woman in a
maids uniform would haunt the area
round the lake in the grounds of the Hall.
She had been in service there and got into
trouble by son of the house. No one would
help her/ she was turned out and drowned
herself in the lake. Was reputed to walk
on Anniversary of her death!
So all a bit creepy - but Im taking as a good
sign for the episode
think phil moved all his cash from house safe after ben previously took
Rear window
05-11-2015, 08:57
think phil moved all his cash from house safe after ben previously took
But Gavin knew the number cos they'd got it out of him. So Kathy knew the number too.
Unless Phil changed it. Which he'd have to be a spanner not to.
Rear window
05-11-2015, 08:57
think phil moved all his cash from house safe after ben previously took
But Gavin knew the number cos they'd got it out of him. So Kathy knew the number too.
Unless Phil changed it. Which he'd have to be a spanner not to.
Theres a table on internet shows age when
women qualify for state pension. I think she
may already have qualified? Dependent on month
and year of birth.
Full pension payable if more than 30 yrs NI
contrubutions- lower amount if less years.
Not sure if any back dating-if dont claim
on time?
do we really think Kathy has paid full NI contributions?
parkerman
05-11-2015, 09:29
do we really think Kathy has paid full NI contributions?
If she's 64 now, she left Walford when she was 49. If she started working as a teenager, she would have 30 years NI contributions.
parkerman
05-11-2015, 10:26
Not sure if any back dating-if dont claim
on time?
If you defer your pension you actually get more. I'm not sure what the percentage is now, but for every year you defer taking your pension it goes up by a certain amount.
storyseeker1
05-11-2015, 21:00
That Margaret; what a stuck-up bitch!
Rear window
05-11-2015, 21:05
keep margaret
Only if she is forced to live in a scuzzy place on the square.
And yes it was Sharon who gave Phil's money away and let him escape.
And as predicted the baby isn't Martin's.
Rear window
05-11-2015, 21:05
keep margaret
Only if she is forced to live in a scuzzy place on the square.
And yes it was Sharon who gave Phil's money away and let him escape.
And as predicted the baby isn't Martin's.
Gavin is Sharon's father. Margaret is Gavin's sister. Stacey's baby is not Martin's. Not shocked.
Stacey's baby is a boy. Shocked. There is an insane ratio of male:female births under DTC. It was surely time for a girl?! Although with Stacey already having a girl, it made sense to balance things out. Unlike Kat and Linda who already had a majority of boys and ended up with boys again.
Gavin is Sharon's father. Margaret is Gavin's sister. Stacey's baby is not Martin's. Not shocked.
Stacey's baby is a boy. Shocked. There is an insane ratio of male:female births under DTC. It was surely time for a girl?! Although with Stacey already having a girl, it made sense to balance things out. Unlike Kat and Linda who already had a majority of boys and ended up with boys again.
and another boy for kush after zair
Gavin is Sharon's father. Margaret is Gavin's sister. Stacey's baby is not Martin's. Not shocked.
Stacey's baby is a boy. Shocked. There is an insane ratio of male:female births under DTC. It was surely time for a girl?! Although with Stacey already having a girl, it made sense to balance things out. Unlike Kat and Linda who already had a majority of boys and ended up with boys again.
and another boy for kush after zair
dot now knows ivy sullivan, sharon's nana
will we see sally, could sally be cora, so many dots to join
i did enjoy snotty margaret, jan was great, walford what a dump, she could have been a conquest of den's bedpost
dot now knows ivy sullivan, sharon's nana
will we see sally, could sally be cora, so many dots to join
i did enjoy snotty margaret, jan was great, walford what a dump, she could have been a conquest of den's bedpost
Enjoyable episode with a lot happening on Thursday.
I'm really liking the Sharon and Gavin storyline (even though I didn't imagine Sharon would be foolish enough to help him escape - and give him a large wad of cash to boot! :eek:). Sharon shines when she's got a meaty storyline to get her teeth into. It looks like she's going to be in Gavin's thrall.
I'd say there's not much doubt Kush is Stacey's baby daddy given how guilty she looked at Shabnam's moving words about him. Lots of people are hoping the baby's Max's, but I don't see why Stacey would have kept that a secret from Max - plus there's not so much drama to be had given he's locked away for the time being.
keep margaret
:cheer:
I definitely want to see more of her. What a fiendishly funny b*tch she is! And I was expecting her to be nice to Sharon when they sat down to talk. "What a dump!" http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-rolleye-smileys-842.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)
maidmarian
06-11-2015, 02:57
Enjoyable episode with a lot happening on Thursday.
I'm really liking the Sharon and Gavin storyline (even though I didn't imagine Sharon would be foolish enough to help him escape - and give him a large wad of cash to boot! :eek:). Sharon shines when she's got a meaty storyline to get her teeth into. It looks like she's going to be in Gavin's thrall.
I'd say there's not much doubt Kush is Stacey's baby daddy given how guilty she looked at Shabnam's moving words about him. Lots of people are hoping the baby's Max's, but I don't see why Stacey would have kept that a secret from Max - plus there's not so much drama to be had given he's locked away for the time being.
:cheer:
I definitely want to see more of her. What a fiendishly funny b*tch she is! And I was expecting her to be nice to Sharon when they sat down to talk. \\"What a dump!\\" http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-rolleye-smileys-842.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)
She might come in handy in.the "water stunt"
episode. The actress was in Howards Way - a boating
saga!:)
Rear window
06-11-2015, 09:04
I'd say there's not much doubt Kush is Stacey's baby daddy given how guilty she looked at Shabnam's moving words about him. Lots of people are hoping the baby's Max's, but I don't see why Stacey would have kept that a secret from Max - plus there's not so much drama to be had given he's locked away for the time being.
Hadn't considered Max, but hadn't Abby had a go at Stacey recently about being a marriage wrecker? That'd be enough to stop her telling him - wrecking another of her own relationships.
Rear window
06-11-2015, 09:04
I'd say there's not much doubt Kush is Stacey's baby daddy given how guilty she looked at Shabnam's moving words about him. Lots of people are hoping the baby's Max's, but I don't see why Stacey would have kept that a secret from Max - plus there's not so much drama to be had given he's locked away for the time being.
Hadn't considered Max, but hadn't Abby had a go at Stacey recently about being a marriage wrecker? That'd be enough to stop her telling him - wrecking another of her own relationships.
Hadn't considered Max, but hadn't Abby had a go at Stacey recently about being a marriage wrecker? That'd be enough to stop her telling him - wrecking another of her own relationships.
and the whole condemnation of Max at his Trial of having a fling with Lucy - his daughters friend and young enough etc etc
maybe Stacey didn't want to compound that?
Rear window
06-11-2015, 23:05
and the whole condemnation of Max at his Trial of having a fling with Lucy - his daughters friend and young enough etc etc
maybe Stacey didn't want to compound that?
Well tonight's put paid to this idea.
Rear window
06-11-2015, 23:05
and the whole condemnation of Max at his Trial of having a fling with Lucy - his daughters friend and young enough etc etc
maybe Stacey didn't want to compound that?
Well tonight's put paid to this idea.
How frustrating that we were right about the paternity of Stacey's baby, and doubly so now Kush had decided to keep the secret too. Surely he and Shabnam presently have enough drama in their lives with Zaair's death, the wedding and the custody battle for Jade? :wall:
I must admit I enjoyed the wedding episode as a whole because it was well written and acted. I could even understand why Stacey believes she's made the right decision (though I absolutely disagree with it). However, the whole thing leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. :nono:
I'm guessing the truth will come out at Christmas or the New Year.
stacey was sleeping with kush and martin around same time, is she sure :p
stacey was sleeping with kush and martin around same time, is she sure :p
I wrote a post a few weeks ago (I think it was on the Stacey Slater thread) where, after doing some research, I concluded there was probably a month between her sleeping with Kush and Martin. It was written that way so she'd have no doubt (unless there's another twist).
maidmarian
07-11-2015, 01:03
How frustrating that we were right about the paternity of Stacey's baby, and doubly so now Kush had decided to keep the secret too. Surely he and Shabnam presently have enough drama in their lives with Zaair's death, the wedding and the custody battle for Jade? :wall:
I must admit I enjoyed the wedding episode as a whole because it was well written and acted. I could even understand why Stacey believes she's made the right decision (though I absolutely disagree with it). However, the whole thing leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. :nono:
I'm guessing the truth will come out at Christmas or the New Year.
It is as expected as you say -but rather seedy.!!
And no doubt truth?? will be revealed in
the near future.
If youre going to have a secret as big as that-
all participants need to be firm on the matter.
I dont think we have that here. The character
of Stacey was improved now reversing and
I think she has potential if better written.
But thats not likely soon.
I wonder about Kushs motives-
The nice version would be he wants
to be married and not upset Shabnams
fragile state re stillborn baby & Jade.
The less nice version is he likes the idea
of a child but without responsibilty and
financial commitment.
Also wonder if/ when Martin (.who is
not too bright - but not dense) will
wake up to the possiblities.?
There will probably be a lot of drama-
Not sure if will.rock square!!
I wonder about Kushs motives-
The nice version would be he wants
to be married and not upset Shabnams
fragile state re stillborn baby & Jade.
The less nice version is he likes the idea
of a child but without responsibilty and
financial commitment.
I'm leaning towards the nice version at the moment. I thought he seemed genuine in wanting to confess to Shabnam and be a father to the baby.
I was even relieved for a few minutes because I thought somebody in Albert Square was going to do the right thing for once... http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/BJ_BOBBI_JO9/Emotions%20feelings%20moods%20related/taptaptap_sml.gif
There will probably be a lot of drama-
Not sure if will.rock square!!
It's definitely going to rock the square! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
parkerman
07-11-2015, 10:44
I find this story a difficult one for me personally as I went through something similar in my younger days. I don't really want to go into it all here and it wasn't quite the same situation but all I can say is I have every sympathy with Stacey and Kush. It is a hard and tough decision. I've kept the secret of a baby's paternity secret for over 40 years now. His real mother and supposed father are both dead now. I still have the urge every now and then to tell him the truth but I think what's the point. He's grown up thinking his "father" was his real father, what good would it do now to tell him he wasn't and that someone who is almost a complete stranger is. What would it do to him?
Sorry, I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it's just that I know that none of this is easy and the amount of agonising that goes on. I think it is wrong to dismiss Stacey and/or Kush as being selfish. In fact, from my experience, I think they are the opposite.
:)
Thanks for sharing your experience, parkerman. It's too easy for those of us who haven't been through a similar situation to judge, especially when watching a soap and knowing the repercussions for those involved aren't real.
I think it's very strong of you not to have succumbed to the temptation to tell him now both of his parents are gone.
maidmarian
07-11-2015, 11:54
I find this story a difficult one for me personally as I went through something similar in my younger days. I don't really want to go into it all here and it wasn't quite the same situation but all I can say is I have every sympathy with Stacey and Kush. It is a hard and tough decision. I've kept the secret of a baby's paternity secret for over 40 years now. His real mother and supposed father are both dead now. I still have the urge every now and then to tell him the truth but I think what's the point. He's grown up thinking his "father" was his real father, what good would it do now to tell him he wasn't and that someone who is almost a complete stranger is. What would it do to him?
Sorry, I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it's just that I know that none of this is easy and the amount of agonising that goes on. I think it is wrong to dismiss Stacey and/or Kush as being selfish. In fact, from my experience, I think they are the opposite.
Im sorry this story has been so difficult for you.
Im afraid theres is a lot of it about! And probably
even more years ago. Husbands would accept
a child as theirs when they knew he/ she wasn't
To avoid breaking up their marriage and the
upset for their other children. A lot of families
had such a secret but it was kept that way.
A sort of in-law of mine was in that position
and he confided in me when very elderly that
he didnt regret it!
Your story is probably very different. I know
some people think the truth is paramount
and in general I agree- but personally I
think for a person to find out that the
person theyve always thought to be their
father wasnt - would shake the foundations
of their lives. The only exceptions might
be if their relationship with their assumed
father was very poor or if there were
serious genetic health concerns.
So though it has caused you great worry
to keep.the secret (for which Im sorry)
I think you have done the right thing.
Thats just my personal opinion and I
hope I have not caused offence!
storyseeker1
07-11-2015, 12:27
I find this story a difficult one for me personally as I went through something similar in my younger days. I don't really want to go into it all here and it wasn't quite the same situation but all I can say is I have every sympathy with Stacey and Kush. It is a hard and tough decision. I've kept the secret of a baby's paternity secret for over 40 years now. His real mother and supposed father are both dead now. I still have the urge every now and then to tell him the truth but I think what's the point. He's grown up thinking his "father" was his real father, what good would it do now to tell him he wasn't and that someone who is almost a complete stranger is. What would it do to him?
Sorry, I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it's just that I know that none of this is easy and the amount of agonising that goes on. I think it is wrong to dismiss Stacey and/or Kush as being selfish. In fact, from my experience, I think they are the opposite.
I've never gone through something like this before, so I can't say for certain what my feelings would be. But you've been a good friend to the boy's parents by not saying anything.
Tbh, in my own opinion, I believe honesty is the best policy, because secrets always have a chance of getting found out. I remember watching a docu once about children who were adopted or found out one of their parents wasn't their biological parent. One of them was about a guy in a similar situation as you just said. His parents didn't want him to know at any cost. Unfortunately, after they past away, the guy developed leukaemia, and while he was going in for treatment, the blood analysis revealed his dad wasn't his biological dad. It was all pretty emotional. The guy's biological dad had past away years ago, so he never met him. The guy said that the worst thing was that he had all these questions, and no one to answer them, and he never got to know his birth father when he had all those chances to do years before.
But I don't know your exact circumstances, so he probably won't ever find out. But there is always a chance that he may do, and if he were to learn the truth like years from now after you die, then who will be there to answer his questions? I'm not saying he won't be upset after learning his supposed dad wasn't his real dad, as anyone will be upset in a situation like that, but after after he's had a chance to calm down then he and his real dad might get to know each other. I have also heard about kids who were adopted and then finding their birth parents. They all had misgivings about meeting someone they never knew who was their real parent, and felt guilty about wanting to know them because they thought they were dishonouring the parents who raised them. But in almost all situations, the kids and their parents all developed strong relationships and got along.
parkerman
07-11-2015, 12:48
You have hit on the one thing that concerns me, ss. My mother had glaucoma, which is hereditary. Since the age of 40 I have been entitled to an annual free eye test to check that I haven't developed it as well. Fortunately, so far, I haven't. But I have often thought about what if I do get the condition. It would be at that point I think that I really should say something. But, if not, I think the chances of him finding out are pretty much zero.
He also has two children, which brings in another whole new dimension of course.........
Ruffed_lemur
07-11-2015, 13:44
stacey was sleeping with kush and martin around same time, is she sure :p
I think she slept with Kush a while before Martin. She seems pretty sure.
stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide
did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?
stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide
did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?
maidmarian
07-11-2015, 14:31
stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide
did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?
I did think that she had had a one night stand
with Martin before but quite near the time with Kush.
But as I was missing some episodes then - thought
Id got it wrong and still not sure??
With the probs with her meds perhaps her
memory isnt too reliable ??
Overall probably more likely the baby is Kushs
The scans are reliable to wiithin a couple of days
-Ive been told?? But if she had sex with both
close quite close together.!!
I expect we will find out soon but if the baby is
Kushs might might that not be apparent to
Martin?
kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on
maidmarian
07-11-2015, 14:56
kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on
Yes - thats what I meant.
But even if Kush is father - baby may not
have the same skin tone.
Each baby inherits a selection of genes
from both parents which is why siblings
can look very different and may inherit
( or not)the gene that causes a particular health
condition.
I hope when we know -for sure-(.if thats possible
in a soap) who the father is-I hope the story makes
sense!!
storyseeker1
07-11-2015, 15:24
You have hit on the one thing that concerns me, ss. My mother had glaucoma, which is hereditary. Since the age of 40 I have been entitled to an annual free eye test to check that I haven't developed it as well. Fortunately, so far, I haven't. But I have often thought about what if I do get the condition. It would be at that point I think that I really should say something. But, if not, I think the chances of him finding out are pretty much zero.
He also has two children, which brings in another whole new dimension of course.........
I'm sorry to hear that. But if that's the case then I really think you should say something. Maybe not about who his real dad is, if you don't want to, but definitely something about the glaucoma. You could always say to him that his parents told you once that one of their parents had it, so there's a chance he could catch it, too. In the end, his health and the health of his kids could be at stake. If you say or do nothing, and he or they don't have regular check-ups and ends up catching it, it would be a whole lot worse.
I think part of the reason why Stacey and Kush were judged harshly by many of us is due to frustration - because we know in a soap the secret will come out sooner or later and cause heartbreak for Martin and Shabnam. In real life, if only one or two people (who are determined to stay quiet) know, it's much more unlikely to ever come out and hurt the other people involved.
did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?
For the following post, I looked through all the spoilers for the period to try to work out when Stacey probably slept with Kush and when she first slept with Martin. The two episodes I link to in the post are the likely dates (if you read the full episode descriptions), although I could have missed something of course.
I thought at the time that the dates are credible because they're almost exactly month apart and seemed deliberately chosen so that Stacey could be sure about the baby's paternity.
http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?136404-Shabnam-Masood&p=832749#post832749
With the probs with her meds perhaps her
memory isnt too reliable ??
Stacey didn't come off her meds until after she found out she was pregnant. I think she was likely already well aware that Kush was the father by that time.
kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on
As you can see from the picture below, Kush's skin is barely darker than Stacey's, so I think she's got good reason to think she can probably pass the baby off as Martin's based on skin colour. She can't be 100% certain of course, and facially Kush looks completely different to Martin...
http://i1.cdnds.net/15/19/618x416/soaps-eastenders-5071-1.jpg
tammyy2j
07-11-2015, 23:10
I find this story a difficult one for me personally as I went through something similar in my younger days. I don't really want to go into it all here and it wasn't quite the same situation but all I can say is I have every sympathy with Stacey and Kush. It is a hard and tough decision. I've kept the secret of a baby's paternity secret for over 40 years now. His real mother and supposed father are both dead now. I still have the urge every now and then to tell him the truth but I think what's the point. He's grown up thinking his "father" was his real father, what good would it do now to tell him he wasn't and that someone who is almost a complete stranger is. What would it do to him?
Sorry, I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it's just that I know that none of this is easy and the amount of agonising that goes on. I think it is wrong to dismiss Stacey and/or Kush as being selfish. In fact, from my experience, I think they are the opposite.
Thanks for sharing Parkerman
As a child of a stepfather, my mam and dad were honest with me from an early age about my real father but I choose not to contact him as I am happy with my parents but I was glad it was my decision and they were honest with me, it brought me closer to them in some ways
I hate that with Kush being Stacey's baby's real father, Kathy back from the dead and Gavin as Sharon's dad there is no surprises anymore in the show, so predictable and spoilered by cast and producer interviews and online and social media speculation etc.,
Stacey's character goes back to being the homewrecker again not learnt a lesson after Max as I sure Shabham will discover the truth eventually, Carmel and Stacey are close so she could discover first
Mas said Zainab was sick so couldn't attend the wedding any reason why Syed missed it?
I do like Kush and Shabham together and I do believe they truly love each other
I enjoyed the wedding because it was nice to have the customs explained without being patronising
why did elaine say to nancy about tamwar that was racist, i didn't hear
tammyy2j
09-11-2015, 23:17
I am not liking Elaine this time around
What Mas said about Zainab washing her hands of their family made no sense
why did elaine say to nancy about tamwar that was racist, i didn't hear
I can't remember exactly, but it was something derogatory about "strange" Muslim weddings. She also referred to Muslims in a very deliberate manner as "them". It was all very ignorant. Plus she didn't give a toss that she'd hurt Tamwar! :angry:
Couple that with her downright nastiness to Whitney (which I can't fathom), and Elaine appears to have had a sudden personality transplant. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I'm team Babe all the way! :cheer:
parkerman
10-11-2015, 09:28
Though of course Islam is not a race, so being derogatory to Muslims is not actually racist.
Though of course Islam is not a race, so being derogatory to Muslims is not actually racist.
is it Faith-ist ?
maidmarian
10-11-2015, 12:01
is it Faith-ist ?
There are some words which mean intolerant
of religion(s) in general*.which is different to not
having a religious belief your self. Eg atheist or
agnostic.
There is confusion between race and religion
in other cases. Most people would use Anti-
Semiitic as being against Jews wheras Semite
covers a lot of Middle Eastern races inc Assryians
Arabs and many other. The name for Jewish
religion is Judaism.
We had some Diversity Awareness at work-
which obviously covered more than Race&
Religion . The more you know the more pitfalls
you become aware of. Most people do try to
avoid causing offence - but obviously not in
EE in this instance!
There is the word Islamaphobia - which might
be appropriate!
* religiophobic is such a word- very seldom
used.
Tamwar called Elaine xenophobic.
tammyy2j
10-11-2015, 13:07
Tamwar called Elaine xenophobic.
I didn't know what xenophobic meant to looked up and it is having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries
£35 for a blow dry, ronnie's hair looked the same
LollyCarpenter
10-11-2015, 20:35
I can't remember exactly, but it was something derogatory about \\\"strange\\\" Muslim weddings. She also referred to Muslims in a very deliberate manner as \\\"them\\\". It was all very ignorant. Plus she didn't give a toss that she'd hurt Tamwar! :angry:
Couple that with her downright nastiness to Whitney (which I can't fathom), and Elaine appears to have had a sudden personality transplant. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I'm team Babe all the way! :cheer:
Can't fathom Elaine's nastiness, either. She's been horrible to Whitney for what seems to be no reason. Her comments about Muslims were awful but some people are just ignorant about things like that and judge without understanding it properly.
Team Babe also.
elaine still holds a grudge over her toyboy me thinks
the cat up the tree was funny
tammyy2j
11-11-2015, 10:29
I liked Mick and Shirley's scenes in the park with Carmel and her cat
It seems Mas now is smitten Carmel, he should be honest with her
Ronnie is only pushing Roxy more to Dean with her behaviour and does Bladez or the street outside have any CCTV
Billy wants Honey back, when did he decide this?
Elaine this time around he is very nasty to everyone
LollyCarpenter
11-11-2015, 12:26
The scenes with Mick Shirley and Carmel were funny and made me laugh. First time Ive liked Shirley in a while.
I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.
parkerman
11-11-2015, 13:50
O
Billy wants Honey back, when did he decide this?
I thought he'd always wanted her back - he never wanted her to go in the first place did he?
I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.
No contest. Dean is an obnoxious self-centred rapist who shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets.
LollyCarpenter
11-11-2015, 18:41
Yes he should have gone to jail for raping Linda. Ronnie has a lot of Archie's personality in her and tho I don't like her most of the the time she's often interesting to watch.
I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.
Even just considering their current treatment of Roxy: they both want to control her, but Dean's motives are selfish and spiteful, whereas at least Ronnie believes she's acting in Roxy's best interest. The proposal just to get one over on Ronnie was despicable. :angry:
Ronnie has a lot of Archie's personality in her and tho I don't like her most of the the time she's often interesting to watch.
I usually agree, but I think she's being written as stupid in her current battle of wills with Dean. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to keep outmanoeuvring her.
LollyCarpenter
12-11-2015, 20:57
Even just considering their current treatment of Roxy: they both want to control her, but Dean's motives are selfish and spiteful, whereas at least Ronnie believes she's acting in Roxy's best interest. The proposal just to get one over on Ronnie was despicable. :angry:
I usually agree, but I think she's being written as stupid in her current battle of wills with Dean. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to keep outmanoeuvring her.
Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.
Rear window
13-11-2015, 09:38
Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.
She's certainly being shown up as foolish, but maybe she's luring him into a sense of false superiority. And I'd believe it myself if she hadn't got angry and smashed the bar up a bit.
Rear window
13-11-2015, 09:38
Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.
She's certainly being shown up as foolish, but maybe she's luring him into a sense of false superiority. And I'd believe it myself if she hadn't got angry and smashed the bar up a bit.
Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.
except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?
Rear window
13-11-2015, 09:40
except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?
Yes that was almost doomed to failure wasn't it.
Rear window
13-11-2015, 09:40
except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?
Yes that was almost doomed to failure wasn't it.
was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods
was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods
yes I believe he was....
was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods
yes I believe he was....
surely dumping the 'Blades' gear in the canal would have been better?
Rear window
13-11-2015, 11:09
yes I believe he was....
So where were they?
Rear window
13-11-2015, 11:09
yes I believe he was....
So where were they?
So where were they?
in Billy's flat
I still don't believe for one minute that Mick would have a relationship with anyone who believes Linda lied about the rape - let alone someone who harassed and bullied her for months and is still supporting her rapist. If he's willing to forgive the totally unrepentant Shirley (and now Buster too), it sends the message that he accepts their attitude to Linda and their vile behaviour. :wall:
Also, it seems to have been conveniently forgotten that both Shirley and Buster have had some serious doubts about Dean's innocence... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
So where were they?
I'm guessing Janet was in bed, but I did wonder where Les was. Perhaps reading her a story, or alternatively in the bathroom?
LollyCarpenter
13-11-2015, 17:20
except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?
Yes well i can't really argue with that. Getting Billy involved was stupid, Ronnie should have known better. I wouldn't call Dean smart, more sly, and he was certainly on to Ronnie pretty quick when he sussed she was recording him. At this point Ronnie will do anything to get rid of Dean, I suspect.
did dean remember raping linda when he was getting frisky and hurt roxy, lightbulb moment for him and off to vic to see mick
new william looks older than janet
roxy needs to stop having controlling people in her life
parkerman
16-11-2015, 22:39
For God's sake, Roxy!:angry:
tammyy2j
17-11-2015, 12:22
Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done
Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man
Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done
Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man
They have filmed those scenes a couple of months ago so recent events in Paris would not have been a deciding factor, I agree with you, it was very well done!!
Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done
Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man
They have filmed those scenes a couple of months ago so recent events in Paris would not have been a deciding factor, I agree with you, it was very well done!!
did dean remember raping linda when he was getting frisky and hurt roxy
I'd call that getting domineering not getting frisky.
Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done
It was a lovely scene, but it was filmed months ago. It was just a serendipitous coincidence.
tammyy2j
17-11-2015, 14:03
Was calm none drunk Phil babysitting Amy and Matthew :p
ah bloody hell mick, dean raped your wife
parkerman
17-11-2015, 22:49
ah bloody hell mick, dean raped your wife
Yes, it's just getting [very rude word] ridiculous now!:angry:
tammyy2j
18-11-2015, 13:40
I feel like I missed an episode now all Mick's family are fine with Buster and Shirley
Linda is making a lot of effort
Is Ronnie not thinking of her son Matthew, as much as I want Dean gone if she kills him she gets banged up again and what about the baby :angry:
Rear window
18-11-2015, 14:30
I think she is definitely a bit fruit loops at the moment. Ok, a lot. :)
I used to think Shirley was a very good character, even though she could be hateful. However, I completely despise her now and can't imagine ever liking her again.
Mick's been big enough (read disloyal enough) to let her back into his life, and she immediately starts trying to guilt him into making peace with his wife's rapist!!!!! As usual, everything's about her and her feelings. Words fail... :wall:
I feel like I missed an episode now all Mick's family are fine with Buster and Shirley
Yep. I feel like those scenes took place in a parallel universe where Linda didn't get raped by their son and they didn't spend months harassing her about it.
I think she is definitely a bit fruit loops at the moment. Ok, a lot. :)
Ronnie's lost the plot big time. If she's so intent on killing Dean, why warn him about the spiked drink after he's only taken a couple of sips? That couldn't possibly be enough to knock him out any time soon. :searchme:
storyseeker1
19-11-2015, 01:01
I used to think Shirley was a very good character, even though she could be hateful. However, I completely despise her now and can't imagine ever liking her again.
She still doesn't want to admit that Dean had anything to do with what happened to Linda. Until she gets over that delusion and finally admits the truth, she can't truly make up with Mick. I can understand why she doesn't want to admit it, as what mother would want to willingly admit that their own son was a rapist.. But this has gone far enough!
IRonnie's lost the plot big time. If she's so intent on killing Dean, why warn him about the spiked drink after he's only taken a couple of sips? That couldn't possibly be enough to knock him out any time soon.
Oh, Ronnie lost it long before all this stuff with Dean happened. She's totally flipped.
i get mick wants shirl back in his life but this is bloody (add in more curse words) ridiculous
Assuming Mick isn't playing the " double agent " to sort Dean out ,EE have destroyed one of the best characters on the show. Linda just seems to sit there and soak up what Mick is doing. Shirley goes with Mick to help him select his wedding suit ,why ? I don't get why Mick is going over the top sucking up to Shirley given the rape circumstances, Shirley continues to stick up for her depraved excuse of a son Dean . Mick's duty must be to support his future wife and family even at the cost of turning his back on his mother ,who if she has any compassion for Mick and Linda would have to understand or lump it .
I really hope that Mick has a plan of action for Dean and that Linda is in on it...:(:angry:
Assuming Mick isn't playing the " double agent " to sort Dean out ,EE have destroyed one of the best characters on the show. Linda just seems to sit there and soak up what Mick is doing. Shirley goes with Mick to help him select his wedding suit ,why ? I don't get why Mick is going over the top sucking up to Shirley given the rape circumstances, Shirley continues to stick up for her depraved excuse of a son Dean . Mick's duty must be to support his future wife and family even at the cost of turning his back on his mother ,who if she has any compassion for Mick and Linda would have to understand or lump it .
I really hope that Mick has a plan of action for Dean and that Linda is in on it...:(:angry:
I wish that were true, Glen, but I doubt the writers are that clever. No, Mick is just missing his mummy and is willing to cause Linda a lot of pain to have her back in his life. As you say, Mick's character has been destroyed in the process.
One of the best things about Mick was his unwavering support and defence of Linda, and that's suddenly gone. He (and the rest of the family) sat and ignored Linda's extreme discomfort at having Shirley and Buster at Lee's birthday party. This is the one and only time I'd say he should ignore what Linda says because she's obviously putting her feelings last. That's not something Mick should accept for a moment!
Even when Shirley said Dean isn't all bad, Mick's denial was half-hearted! Why didn't he tell her in no uncertain terms he'd never go near Dean again? :angry:
I understand that Shirley doesn't believe her own son to be capable of rape. However, she knows Mick believes it implicitly and yet she's still pushing him to make it up with Dean. Even if she were correct that Linda's lying about the rape to cover up a sleazy fling (and therefore apparently deserves everything she gets), she's been absolutely vile towards Mick and his children. She also never misses the opportunity to have a dig at Linda.
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/idea.gif
Hold on though...I've just seen the light!!! The rape storyline has never been about Linda, it's always been about Shirley having to choose sides between her two warring sons. Nothing else matters. It all makes sense now... :wall:
maidmarian
19-11-2015, 18:53
re Dazzles#9419
Ive read your post above and it does all
seem to make sense!
Its no problem to me to believe anything
about Shirley-Ive never liked her for even
a nano second.
It took me a little while to get used to Mick
but I do.like him.and found him a believable
character til very recently.
Hopefully he does have a "masterplan" -but
that seems unlikely.!
The only faint & forlorn hope is that he is
suffering a form of breakdown ?
Both he and Linda have been under extreme
stress for a long while. No external support
and a lot of unkindness and criticism.
I wonder if it has all "caught up" with him
and hes switched off and gone into a form
of regression re his mother & childhood.
Perhaps the shock of whatever happens at the
Lake brings him out of it! I hope so - as Glen
says a good character ruined otherwise.!
Sorry if above all rubbish -but people do
behave strangely after long term.pressure
and just hope Mick.returns to his usual.
self - somehow!
p.s. providing support to someone who
has suffered a traumatic event can put
strain on those who provide support.
I found the way Shirley was suddenly made
a central.character very contrived !
No criticism of the actress but I dont think
the character was developed in a believable
way to carry that successfully"
Sorry if above all rubbish -but people do
behave strangely after long term.pressure
and just hope Mick.returns to his usual.
self - somehow!
What you've written isn't rubbish at all - it's very well thought out.
If this were real life, I'd agree that Mick could be crumbling under the stress. However, I fear the current EE team don't think about it as deeply as you have and are quite happy to change characterisations for no other reason than to fit the story they want to tell.
well mick after all that your mum chooses dean, shirl don't deserve mick and his family nor does buster
parkerman
20-11-2015, 11:55
So no reaction from Lee when Buster biffed his dad for sticking up for his mum?
Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow
Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:
At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:
I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:
At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap::
Same here ,perked me up a treat. If ever Mick goes round to Shirley and Buster to apologise and to make sure they are still going to the wedding, as Parkerman once said my boot is heading through the TV screen.
maidmarian
20-11-2015, 16:28
Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow
Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:
At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:
I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:
The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.! I wondered if the actress had
asked for a break? But it still seems an extreme
way to.deal with it -if so!
maidmarian
20-11-2015, 16:28
Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow
Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:
At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:
I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:
The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.! I wondered if the actress had
asked for a break? But it still seems an extreme
way to.deal with it -if so!
tammyy2j
20-11-2015, 22:43
I am finding it hard to continue watching until Dean get his comeuppance and this Roxy/Ronnie twisted sister saga will end
I liked hearing more about Fatboy's life, him telling Dr. Vincent, will he unite him and his mother leading to his exit
Is Cora staying in the shed of the allotments by the park or in the community centre, she only pops up every once and a while like a ghost :p
Mick needs to concentrate on his own family especially Linda, I don't think Shirley and Buster can be redeemed now to him or them
storyseeker1
20-11-2015, 22:53
I liked hearing more about Fatboy's life, him telling Dr. Vincent, will he unite him and his mother
I hope not. Fatboy's mother sounds like she was a right b**ch!
tammyy2j
20-11-2015, 23:08
I hope not. Fatboy's mother sounds like she was a right b**ch!
She could have changed
I thought Friday's episode was the best one we've seen for a while. Mick and Linda are back on track - thank goodness - and I'm pleased that Mick doesn't seem too devastated about his latest rift with Shirley.
I am finding it hard to continue watching until Dean get his comeuppance and this Roxy/Ronnie twisted sister saga will end
I agree about Dean, and also about Ronnie as she's been written recently, but I thought the Ronnie/Roxy fight scenes in Friday's episode were excellent. They really dug into their backstories and - for once - the characterisations were spot on. I felt for both sisters in those scenes.
The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.!
I was puzzled too, but I now realise that Roxy's relationship with Dean has brought up lots of buried emotions about Archie and that she hasn't been coping with it. She seemed to get her groove back on Friday (for now at least). If Ronnie's going to be written as a villain, I hate seeing her so ineffectual.
When are we going too see more of Cora's story? DTC promised her homelessness would be explored in an interview a while back. :hmm:
are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie
aunt sal had some good one liners
are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie
aunt sal had some good one liners
tammyy2j
24-11-2015, 14:49
I thought it was Cora would gave Denise's address to the police
are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie
I thought it might be Carl's family, but you're right it's more likely to be connected to Vincent. Maybe it's both?
I thought it was Cora would gave Denise's address to the police
I think you're probably correct.
parkerman
25-11-2015, 00:47
OK. So who saw that coming then?
OK. So who saw that coming then?
Ha ha...definitely not me! :D
Vincent just got interesting if Ronnie's correct. Is he long-term undercover to infiltrate a crime ring/gang? Is he good or bad? He's obviously capable of bending the rules but that didn't necessarily make him outright dirty. Is he a mole for the police or the criminals (I'm thinking of the brilliant film The Departed)? Could he just be an informer? The possibilities are endless at this point (especially if EE have no intention of making his situation remotely realistic). I wonder if it has something to do with Gavin and his gang? :searchme:
On another Vincent note: I hate hate HATE the decor of the Hubbard house. Is dark, oppressive grey combined with dull vomit green on trend or something? :eek:
Phil plays such a good drunk! I hated smug Shirley gloating over him and Sharon (although I bet a certain obsessive Phil/Shirley fan took that as sexual tension between the former couple... :D)
OK. So who saw that coming then?
What happened? Missed the episode http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/sad/smileys-sad-438858.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
OK. So who saw that coming then?
What happened? Missed the episode http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/sad/smileys-sad-438858.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Rear window
25-11-2015, 08:57
On another Vincent note: I hate hate HATE the decor of the Hubbard house. Is dark, oppressive grey combined with dull vomit green on trend or something? :eek: :D)
I don't like Mrs Hubbard either. She's a right stirrer with (Pearl's mum) putting ideas in her head about splitting up the B&B.
I don't see how he can be mixed up in some dodgy undercover thing cos his mum/wife/Donna are all around. Don't they go off undercover and be someone new?
Rear window
25-11-2015, 08:57
On another Vincent note: I hate hate HATE the decor of the Hubbard house. Is dark, oppressive grey combined with dull vomit green on trend or something? :eek: :D)
I don't like Mrs Hubbard either. She's a right stirrer with (Pearl's mum) putting ideas in her head about splitting up the B&B.
I don't see how he can be mixed up in some dodgy undercover thing cos his mum/wife/Donna are all around. Don't they go off undercover and be someone new?
What happened? Missed the episode http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/sad/smileys-sad-438858.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
well Vncent is lets say....more than friendly with the police and may even be one?
unlike Ronnie's previous 'association' who from the start pretended to be a police officer and in fact wasn't.....
parkerman
25-11-2015, 10:26
I don't see how he can be mixed up in some dodgy undercover thing cos his mum/wife/Donna are all around. Don't they go off undercover and be someone new?
You are forgetting one very important point here.....this is Eastenders!
OK. So who saw that coming then?
Total surprise, had to double check I'd heard correctly
You are forgetting one very important point here.....this is Eastenders!
Assuming Vincent is either a high value police informant , police officer or Interpol officer, he's taking a risk breaking cover particularly to a member of the Mitchell clan.
tammyy2j
25-11-2015, 11:18
Shirley knew about Carl's death, I remember her helping Phil clean his flat out
Taking the file must lead to Fatboy's exit
I like Carmel and Denise as friends
Does Claudette know Vincent is in the police, as she seems to be pulling his strings too for her own agenda with Mitchells
flappinfanny
25-11-2015, 13:36
Positives from last night's episode:
Denise and Carmel great double act. Loved how Carmel called Denise Cagney last night.
Nobody plays a better drunk than Steve McFadden
Nice to see Jay have some scenes tonight.
Anna Karen playing Aunt Sal is a joy.
Love how they are writing sharon now.
Sam Womack brilliant as always.
parkerman
25-11-2015, 14:16
Welcome back, ff. Where have you been? Good to see you back.
flappinfanny
25-11-2015, 14:39
Thanks, it has been a while, been a bit busy, but have been reading the posts on here lately and decided to make the time to post. A great forum. :)
tammyy2j
25-11-2015, 14:59
Not one person feels guilty around Abi that her innocent dad Max is in jail, I expected better from Sharon :angry:
I don't like Mrs Hubbard either. She's a right stirrer with (Pearl's mum) putting ideas in her head about splitting up the B&B.
I've seen it speculated elsewhere that Claudette's after Kim's money. It makes sense now we know that Vincent is living a lie and is possibly not as well off as he appears.
I've seen it speculated elsewhere that Claudette's after Kim's money. It makes sense now we know that Vincent is living a lie and is possibly not as well off as he appears.
Does Kim have money? Did not get the impression when Denise talked to her about living in the B&B and not paying ...
Does Kim have money? Did not get the impression when Denise talked to her about living in the B&B and not paying ...
She owns one of the two houses that make up the B&B. Denise possibly meant she was not contributing towards the mortgage? She might be in for a bit of a windfall even after paying back the mortgage, although I'm not sure how much. Claudette certainly seemed to think Kim has money tied up in the house anyway.
Does Kim have money? Did not get the impression when Denise talked to her about living in the B&B and not paying ...
vincent paid some of the bills when he moved in, don't think kim has money
claudette has a nice fancy flat and clothes and who pays for her trips away with les, les himself?
Does Kim have money? Did not get the impression when Denise talked to her about living in the B&B and not paying ...
vincent paid some of the bills when he moved in, don't think kim has money
claudette has a nice fancy flat and clothes and who pays for her trips away with les, les himself?
flappinfanny
25-11-2015, 22:47
I've seen it speculated elsewhere that Claudette's after Kim's money. It makes sense now we know that Vincent is living a lie and is possibly not as well off as he appears.
It will be interesting to know what Aunt Sal has on Ma Hubbard.
vincent paid some of the bills when he moved in, don't think kim has money
Kim doesn't have an income, but she owns half of the B&B.
it isn't a b&b for a while so no income from that
flappinfanny
26-11-2015, 23:21
I was a bit confused by the episode to be honest. I think DTC is interested in fan fix and keeping the fans happy, it is a bit retcon city at the moment, but saying that it was very watchable. Sam Womack was very good and I loved Aunt Sal with Claudette. The Carmel and Denise friendship could work well and love Kim calling Carmel Carmen. I think it is going to be like Janine and Janice.
I was thinking when Vincent said he was an informant that at least EE have gone for the most realistic (if somewhat anti-climactic) option of him being involved with the police. Then I thought there must be more to it because he seems to know an awful lot more about police business than a mere informer should. Other dramas usually portray them as the bottom of the heap in the worlds of both the criminals and police.
After seeing the contents of his file, I'm even less sure he was telling the (whole) truth. Claudette (and her husband?) must have had a very serious run-in with the Mitchells to want revenge so badly. Perhaps Eric and/or other Mitchell family members were responsible for Vincent's father's death?
Does he want Ronnie out of the way because she's a threat to his plans, or because he genuinely cares for her and wants to keep her out of it?
Denise seems to be getting a decent storyline at last! :cheer:
it isn't a b&b for a while so no income from that
But if she sells her half she stands to possibly make a lot of money (dependant on the mortgage situation). She bought it when she first arrived in 2009 after her ex-husband bought her out of their restaurant (I can't remember this at all and had to remind myself by reading Kim's wiki).
how do honey and linda know each other and phil a big organised criminal that even police ignore murder this seems fishy
good scenes of drunk phil
flappinfanny
27-11-2015, 23:57
So now the Mitchells are a dangerous gang of the under world. Do me a favour.
Best part of the ep for me was Denise, Carmel, Sharon and Phil. Steve McFadden is quality and nice to see a fleeting appearance by the brilliant Ann Mitchell, apart from that it was a bit ropey.
tammyy2j
28-11-2015, 00:43
I am confused now by Vincent's backstory and his police friend, why let Ronnie a known murderer off just to get Phil he isn't that big a criminal :searchme:
Steve is great as drunk Phil
Rear window
28-11-2015, 08:10
I am confused now by Vincent's backstory and his police friend, why let Ronnie a known murderer off just to get Phil he isn't that big a criminal :searchme:
Steve is great as drunk Phil
I thought it was cos Vincent had got her the gun and therefore becomes an accessory to any murder she did with it.
I assume to be an informant he has to give them information - so what has he been giving his handler?
Rear window
28-11-2015, 08:10
I am confused now by Vincent's backstory and his police friend, why let Ronnie a known murderer off just to get Phil he isn't that big a criminal :searchme:
Steve is great as drunk Phil
I thought it was cos Vincent had got her the gun and therefore becomes an accessory to any murder she did with it.
I assume to be an informant he has to give them information - so what has he been giving his handler?
parkerman
28-11-2015, 08:53
I am confused now by Vincent's backstory and his police friend, why let Ronnie a known murderer off just to get Phil he isn't that big a criminal :searchme:
Indeed, tammy. There has got to be more to this story than we are being told at present. Phil is a very small time crook who has a few dodgy dealings every now and then. He would hardly be prioritised over a murderer, nor would the police spend so much time and energy going after him.
There is either a lot more to come from this story or DTC has finally taken complete leave of his senses. Either wouldn't surprise me!
vincent's folder had a photo of mitchells with sean slater and paper clipping was of car lot fire was that frank butcher doing, it is puzzling
Surely Gavin must be involved somehow , can only think police corruption going on with Gavin as the gang leader and paymaster.
flappinfanny
28-11-2015, 18:19
There is either a lot more to come from this story or DTC has finally taken complete leave of his senses. Either wouldn't surprise me! Nor me. I do sometimes wonder if DTC and Alex Lamb just wing it half the time and make it up as they go along?
I am confused now by Vincent's backstory and his police friend, why let Ronnie a known murderer off just to get Phil he isn't that big a criminal :searchme:
In credible dramas where this kind of thing happens, the police are willing to let the small fry go in order to catch the big fish. It's hard to see how this fits with Ronnie and Phil Mitchell though (although presumably Roxy told the police that Carl's death was self-defence so they know Ronnie isn't a murderer).
There may be more to Phil's criminal activities than previously let on to us viewers. I've always suspected so (and have mentioned this previously) because he must get his never-ending stream of cash from somewhere. We know for instance that the Arches has been involved with ringing cars - which is often done by organised criminals. However, the idea of him being being some kind of head of an organised crime ring is ludicrous... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Perhaps Phil's nemesis Marsden has convinced the organised crime squad that Phil's a much bigger deal than he really is in order to get one over on him once and for all? :D
Nor me. I do sometimes wonder if DTC and Alex Lamb just wing it half the time and make it up as they go along?
I suspect they're writing the EE they want to see instead of considering their wider audience.
tammyy2j
29-11-2015, 22:11
Surely Gavin must be involved somehow , can only think police corruption going on with Gavin as the gang leader and paymaster.
Where does Claudette fit in, is she another police informant so many questions, what is her vendetta against the Mitchell family :searchme:
flappinfanny
29-11-2015, 23:53
In credible dramas where this kind of thing happens, the police are willing to let the small fry go in order to catch the big fish. It's hard to see how this fits with Ronnie and Phil Mitchell though (although presumably Roxy told the police that Carl's death was self-defence so they know Ronnie isn't a murderer).
There may be more to Phil's criminal activities than previously let on to us viewers. I've always suspected so (and have mentioned this previously) because he must get his never-ending stream of cash from somewhere. We know for instance that the Arches has been involved with ringing cars - which is often done by organised criminals. However, the idea of him being being some kind of head of an organised crime ring is ludicrous... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Perhaps Phil's nemesis Marsden has convinced the organised crime squad that Phil's a much bigger deal than he really is in order to get one over on him once and for all? :D
I suspect they're writing the EE they want to see instead of considering their wider audience.
Yes I agree. Nobody from 19 February 1985. :)
Rear window
30-11-2015, 17:55
Yes I agree. Nobody from 19 February 1985. :)
http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Vagrant_(Episode_950)
I had to look it up (My friend remembered it, but I didn't)
In November 2011, almost 18 years after the vagrant died, Phil began to recieve photos of a young lad. A stalker was leaving them around and every subsequent photo was of the same young person but a little older. On the 14th November 2011 Phil found another photo left in the petrol cap of one of the cars at Mitchell's Autos. He then looked at the date on the back which said 08/03/94. Phil's memory came flooding back to him as he then had a good idea who the person in the photo is, the vagrant who Phil had accidentally killed in the car lot all those years ago. However the stalker turned out to be his son Ben Mitchell, who had found out somehow about the 1994 fire. Nothing further was said about the fire.
The identity of the vagrant has never been established onscreen. In 2011, a newspaper report was seen with a photo of the man but the writing underneath was too small on screen to see what his name was
Rear window
30-11-2015, 17:55
Yes I agree. Nobody from 19 February 1985. :)
http://eastenders.wikia.com/wiki/Vagrant_(Episode_950)
I had to look it up (My friend remembered it, but I didn't)
In November 2011, almost 18 years after the vagrant died, Phil began to recieve photos of a young lad. A stalker was leaving them around and every subsequent photo was of the same young person but a little older. On the 14th November 2011 Phil found another photo left in the petrol cap of one of the cars at Mitchell's Autos. He then looked at the date on the back which said 08/03/94. Phil's memory came flooding back to him as he then had a good idea who the person in the photo is, the vagrant who Phil had accidentally killed in the car lot all those years ago. However the stalker turned out to be his son Ben Mitchell, who had found out somehow about the 1994 fire. Nothing further was said about the fire.
The identity of the vagrant has never been established onscreen. In 2011, a newspaper report was seen with a photo of the man but the writing underneath was too small on screen to see what his name was
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Was he possibly a run away from foster care?
was it phil who burnt the car lot for frank?
again mick showing concern and care for shirley, jade is not his or linda's problem no need to tell anyone
was it phil who burnt the car lot for frank?
again mick showing concern and care for shirley, jade is not his or linda's problem no need to tell anyone
Rear window
01-12-2015, 08:51
was it phil who burnt the car lot for frank?
again mick showing concern and care for shirley, jade is not his or linda's problem no need to tell anyone
According to wikithingy yes.
Yes it's very odd isn't it. How he still feels so connected to his brother and mum and dad.
Rear window
01-12-2015, 08:51
was it phil who burnt the car lot for frank?
again mick showing concern and care for shirley, jade is not his or linda's problem no need to tell anyone
According to wikithingy yes.
Yes it's very odd isn't it. How he still feels so connected to his brother and mum and dad.
flappinfanny
01-12-2015, 12:17
What to say about last nights episode, it could be fun with Elaine and the Christmas show at the community centre, Steve McFadden superb as always as the drunken Phil. Sam Womack always puts in a good performance, but you can only do so much with the material you are given. I am still confused by the storyline with Vincent and the Mitchells.
Is DTC determined on ruining the character of Stacey. What has Jade got to do with her?
The only positive thing I could say about Gillian Taylforth is I like her new hair do.
I am confused??
are we saying that Vincent is working as an informer or 'helper' to the police to now encourage Ronnie to bring down Phil and the Mitchell empire? or else she gets dobbed in it for the Carl murder?
tammyy2j
01-12-2015, 12:24
How long before Kathy will be back running the café which will be renamed Kathys :p
and if the Social Worker was there with Jade and Shabnam, it was hardly elicit and undercover?
whats all the fuss??!!
ok Shab's was naughty trying to get Jade to be Anti-Dean etc, but probably no more than he has done already
tammyy2j
01-12-2015, 12:31
I am confused??
are we saying that Vincent is working as an informer or 'helper' to the police to now encourage Ronnie to bring down Phil and the Mitchell empire? or else she gets dobbed in it for the Carl murder?
I think Vincent has two agendas in regard to the Mitchells, helping the police and also his mother bring them down, them being Phil
Ronnie has to not tell Phil and help Vincent now as he recorded her about Carl's murder
It is still confusing
Really having difficulty trying to understand what's going on with this storyline. Spending more time reading up on wiki to try and find some past motives than viewing. Worse than swotting for an exam.:confused:
shut up mick why oh why on after shirley again
Rear window
01-12-2015, 19:54
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
Rear window
01-12-2015, 19:54
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
and if the Social Worker was there with Jade and Shabnam, it was hardly elicit and undercover?
whats all the fuss??!!
I think Stacey was talking about the time Shabnam took Jade for the day without permission when she ought to have been at school.
Ronnie has to not tell Phil and help Vincent now as he recorded her about Carl's murder
I wonder if that recording would even stand up in a court of law? At the very least I'd expect Ronnie to make sure it's above board before complying with Vincent.
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
Right on all counts Rear window imo. Can't believe Kush's attitude, well I can still got eyes for Stacey. Jade is sure going to feel rejected by Shabnam .Jades feelings on the matter never mentioned .:angry:
parkerman
01-12-2015, 21:33
I sat through the first half of tonight's episode extremely irritated! There is absolutely no way the judge would make a decision based on the fact that Shabnam spent a day with Jade. It really would have no bearing on his/her decision and yet it was elevated to such a major issue. Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!!:angry:
As if that wasn't bad enough, why on earth would Mick, who runs a pub on the Square, go to the cafe for a tea to go?
Ruffed_lemur
01-12-2015, 23:21
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
I hated this change on the decision. Seemed like it was all down to Kush, who's never seemed keen on the idea.
mick goes out of his way to see shirley so to be insulted
gerbil ian face at cost of tree was funny
mick goes out of his way to see shirley so to be insulted
gerbil ian face at cost of tree was funny
flappinfanny
02-12-2015, 00:29
Every scene with Shabnam was quality, Rakhee is truly amazing and her scenes with Linda Henry were special, the rest of it was pretty lame. I am so bored with Vincent, also shirley's feud with Mick. I dislike the Beale's so much, which sums up sadly what DTC and that Lamb bloke are doing to the show. I am still convinced DTC is trying to ruin Stacey as a character. I bet Lacey wishes she had not returned and done another series of the excellent 'Our Girl.'
I did smile at Dean's line to Mick 'None for you Michael.' :D
tammyy2j
02-12-2015, 10:39
So this will be the best Christmas ever for Ian as his mother has risen from the dead but his daughter is still dead murdered by her brother :angry:
My heart was breaking for Shabham
I thought Shirley was going to do the right thing and tell Shabham she should take her as guardian and she wouldn't contest
I am really annoyed at Mick still fawning to get in Shirley's good books, she always picks Dean over him why does he keep trying, Linda is clearly upset over it :angry:
Is Stacey blabbing deliberately on Shabham as she does want Kush for herself, I do like her friendship with Shabham
Rear window
02-12-2015, 10:48
My heart was breaking for Shabham
I thought Shirley was going to do the right thing and tell Shabham she should take her as guardian and she wouldn't contest
Is Stacey blabbing deliberately on Shabham as she does want Kush for herself, I do like her friendship with Shabham
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.
It sort of makes it look like family court decides things on a whim and not with the long term interests of the child at heart of it all.
I suspect Shabs and Kush will break up though - Stacey's baby will need it's dad just as Jade needs her mum.
There's so many bits of story line going on - been started up and left like threads dangling.
Rear window
02-12-2015, 10:49
My heart was breaking for Shabham
I thought Shirley was going to do the right thing and tell Shabham she should take her as guardian and she wouldn't contest
Is Stacey blabbing deliberately on Shabham as she does want Kush for herself, I do like her friendship with Shabham
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.
It sort of makes it look like family court decides things on a whim and not with the long term interests of the child at heart of it all.
I suspect Shabs and Kush will break up though - Stacey's baby will need it's dad just as Jade needs her mum.
There's so many bits of story line going on - been started up and left like threads dangling.
maidmarian
02-12-2015, 13:42
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.
It sort of makes it look like family court decides things on a whim and not with the long term interests of the child at heart of it all.
I suspect Shabs and Kush will break up though - Stacey's baby will need it's dad just as Jade needs her mum.
There's so many bits of story line going on - been started up and left like threads dangling.
Soaps do give misleading impressions of
various agencies who deal with" child
welfare" matters. Which is unfair on the
staff who their job conciensciously .
Also gives families with no actual knowledge
of procedures a false impression and put
up a barrier against them seeking help.
who would give shirley a child given her history plus no job either
I totally agree with all your comments about Jade's custody. It was distasteful and unrealistic that the unstable and spiteful Shirley, along with recent ex-con Buster, got custody of Jade - at all, let alone so easily.
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.
It perplexes me that everyone's talking as if Jade living with Shirley can't be changed in the future. Surely Shabnam can re-apply for custody when she's recovered from Zaair's death (although I personally feel she was persuaded she isn't ready rather than truly believing it herself).
Also, if she'd gone to court and explained the situation perhaps the judge would only have awarded Jade's grandparents temporary custody?
I hope Shabnam's not pregnant again because I want her to quickly realise she's the best guardian for Jade after all. Another baby can't replace either Zaair or Jade. (Also, we do not need yet another pregnancy plot!)
Well, it's been a couple of months since Ian found out Kathy faked her death and abandoned him, and it's already like she's never been away. Sorry, but I just don't believe Ian wouldn't feel any anger towards his mum whatever the circumstances of her "death". It's not in many people's nature to be so utterly forgiving, and it's especially not in the self-centred prat that is Ian Beale's nature.
Kathy gets off in court with a very lightly slapped wrist... :wall:
I did enjoy Ian's horrified face when he found out the Christmas tree he was boasting about's going to cost him £3,000 though. :D
I'm beginning to think the only explanation for Mick continually seeking Shirley's approval is that he's a masochist. :eek:
lets not forget kathy and ben were going to fleece moneymad ian and leave, all forgiven
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