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Certainly some chemistry between them ,hope it's developed. Sharon's close up shots bit scary , future Miss Havisham role maybe ?
sharon's dress awful and how she sat not very ladylike :p
why is shirley chasing phil he keeps using her
Certainly some chemistry between them ,hope it's developed. Sharon's close up shots bit scary , future Miss Havisham role maybe ?
sharon's dress awful and how she sat not very ladylike :p
why is shirley chasing phil he keeps using her
tammyy2j
28-09-2014, 23:52
Sharon's hair looked better in the up style Dean did first
Her dress make her look much larger
tammyy2j
28-09-2014, 23:52
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parkerman
29-09-2014, 10:44
Her dress make her look much larger
Not an easy thing to do!
parkerman
29-09-2014, 10:44
Her dress make her look much larger
Not an easy thing to do!
Sharon's hair looked better in the up style Dean did first
Her dress make her look much larger
Yes, her first hair style was much classier. The second one was very ordinary in my opinion.
The dress was terrible! I don't think that style would suit anyone to be fair. Sharon usually looks glamorous and attractive so I don't think she'd have chosen that frumpy dress for one second.
tammyy2j
29-09-2014, 20:37
Move on Shirley, Phil is married and you deserve better
monalisa62003
30-09-2014, 00:39
*he should have told her he didnt love her.
For me, even though phil married sharon he does love shirley. this was proved when shirley asked him to tell her she was wrong, and he couldnt tell her. she begged him to tell her but he didn't.
that was my fav bit of the ep, didnt like the wedding stuff:(
I did laugh when phil didnt even defend sharon being called a bimbo - surely you would defend your future wife being called a bimbo?? shirley can call sharon any names and she gets away with it haha
tammyy2j
30-09-2014, 15:08
When did Tosh and Dean sleep together?
When did Tosh and Dean sleep together?
A couple of episodes ago when Dean said there were other ways she could get pregnant. They were in the kitchen of the flat. Nothing was shown happening, but I did wonder if that what it was leading up to.
I don't think Shirley will shoot anyone out of the window as it would be the end of the character (too many witnesses).
For me, even though phil married sharon he does love shirley...
I don't know Mona, Phil looked genuinely happy to be marrying Sharon to me. He treats Shirley with contempt time and time again and she doesn't learn. He doesn't treat Sharon so badly (at least not to her face) because he knows that she wouldn't stand for it like Shirley does.
Of course, I don't believe that Phil is truly capable of loving anyone. I'd be surprised if the marriage lasted long as the relationship is such a car crash.
parkerman
30-09-2014, 18:33
:rolleyes:
I'd be surprised if the marriage lasted long as the relationship is such a car crash.
Plus this is Eastenders!:p
phil should tell mick now shirley is his mammy
tammyy2j
30-09-2014, 23:57
Again the Dean and Shirley scene was good but the rest was pointless and dull imo
Shirley should just move on, I hate seeing her a mess over Phil he isn't worth it, Dean was right
Denise is hard on the liquor since Patrick's stroke and Ian's betrayal
tammyy2j
30-09-2014, 23:57
Linda made sure she had plenty of staff dressed in awful pink shirts
phil should tell mick now shirley is his mammy
Why would Shirley tell all when Phil knows her deepest, darkest secret? It's just asking for trouble, but then I suppose that's Shirley all over.
Again the Dean and Shirley scene was good but the rest was pointless and dull imo
Excellent scene between them yet again. We should have been having these scenes from the start not just as plot device to make Dean suddenly more sympathetic because of what lies ahead. I did like that we saw his dark side when Lauren dumped him though - she had a shock there lol. Dean could have been an interesting and nicely layered long-term character if the EE team had chosen to rely on character development rather than sensation. :angry:
I agree the rest of the episode was a bit anti-climactic, although I did enjoy it overall. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the wedding episodes though.
tammyy2j
02-10-2014, 21:43
I felt sorry for Abi, yes she can be annoying and childish but Jay was cruel in the break up, he should have been honest months back with her, he was the one pushing her to Bolton and now she has killed her dog too
Phil was horrible to Shirley, she deserves so much better and then Sharon just wanting Phil's words to hurt Shirley to get one over I don't think Sharon cares or loves Phil, I hope Shirley finally gets over Phil and moves on
I laughed at Mick and all his kids outside waiting for Shirley, he is protective of her like a parent :p
I wonder what man hurt Babe
Is it Sharon or Shirley who got shot or will be it Phil or maybe a Ian, Denny, Billy, Jay or Ben?
denny "why does this keep happening to you?" :p loved that line by him to sharon
there is no love from sharon to phil, she is just mad he cheated on her and banged shirley
dean and tosh didn't have sex, used a cup and baster
denny "why does this keep happening to you?" :p loved that line by him to sharon
there is no love from sharon to phil, she is just mad he cheated on her and banged shirley
dean and tosh didn't have sex, used a cup and baster
parkerman
03-10-2014, 10:27
Dean and tosh didn't have sex, used a cup and baster
That sentence was made for the phrase "too much information".... :sick:
The Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes were excellent last night. Surely that must be the end of Shirley pining for Phil after the way he spoke to her! Even Mona can't think he still loves her surely!
I liked the Abi/Jay Scenes last night but I thought they belonged in an ordinary episode rather than the wedding episodes. They distracted from the tension of the Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes. I was glad that Abi lost it with Jay as he was uncharacteristically cruel to her.
so malachy the cop is undercover what did he pick up by peter?
so many armed cops was there a hostage or terrorist plot way too many for a gun shot
way ott acting from sharon and dean over all a let down episode
so malachy the cop is undercover what did he pick up by peter?
so many armed cops was there a hostage or terrorist plot way too many for a gun shot
way ott acting from sharon and dean over all a let down episode
parkerman
03-10-2014, 23:07
The best line tonight belonged to Ian.
"Phil's been shot."
Ian: "Again?"
parkerman
03-10-2014, 23:07
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tammyy2j
04-10-2014, 00:14
Sharon's whaling crying and rubbing the blood all over Phil was too much to watch
Poor Dean loses his mom again, I thought Shirley was going to hand herself into the police
LostVoodoo
05-10-2014, 18:53
I don't get how Ronnie thinks they can hide the whole issue of the gun. Phil was shot, it's not like he fell down! Are they planning on saying he was alone in the house, someone ran in and shot him and then ran away? It doesn't make any sense.
I don't get how Ronnie thinks they can hide the whole issue of the gun. Phil was shot, it's not like he fell down! Are they planning on saying he was alone in the house, someone ran in and shot him and then ran away? It doesn't make any sense.
I was thinking that Sharon could say she found him like that and that Ronnie walked in shortly afterwards. The shooter could have taken the gun with them. The trouble is that they didn't have time to cook up a good story.
parkerman
05-10-2014, 20:37
I don't get how Ronnie thinks they can hide the whole issue of the gun. Phil was shot, it's not like he fell down! Are they planning on saying he was alone in the house, someone ran in and shot him and then ran away? It doesn't make any sense.
I agree. It was complete nonsense. It seemed like she thought if she got rid of the gun the police wouldn't realise he'd been shot!
parkerman
05-10-2014, 20:37
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poor linda she should have ran down stairs and told her kids straight away
tammyy2j
06-10-2014, 23:15
I found that uncomfortable to watch even though much wasn't shown, I think showing Dean push himself on Linda on the table and her picking up her underwear afterwards to the washing with bleach was well down but upsetting, I don't like this storyline because it means the end for Dean whether he goes to prison or Mick or one of his kids or even Linda herself kills him, there is no way back for him and I think when Mick hears about the rape he will kill Dean half brother or not
Dean don't think he did anything wrong but I think he is jealous of Linda and Mick's relationship not her relationship as a mother to her own kids as he put on the song Pretty Flamingo which Mick was singing to Linda in a previous episode
I wish Mick has copped that something was a miss with Linda but he is too worried about Shirley at the moment
What is deal with Aunt Babe, who is she truly trying to help and protect, has she her own agenda
parkerman
07-10-2014, 00:24
What is deal with Aunt Babe, who is she truly trying to help and protect, has she her own agenda
Is she Shirley's mother?
tammyy2j
07-10-2014, 01:24
Is she Shirley's mother?
Yes I was thinking that too maybe she was with Stan as well
She does have her own agenda
Brilliantly done although hugely upsetting...
Brilliantly done although hugely upsetting...
I didn't watch but I'm very glad it was done well and was upsetting. People need to be made to understand the trauma that rape victims go through.
parkerman
07-10-2014, 09:50
So if Aunt Babe is really Shirley's mother that makes her Mick's grandmother meaning that Mick's "mother" is actually no relation to him at all!
tammyy2j
07-10-2014, 13:45
So if Aunt Babe is really Shirley's mother that makes her Mick's grandmother meaning that Mick's "mother" is actually no relation to him at all!
She would be Mick's gran aunt
As I said above, I didn't watch last night's episode and won't be watching tonight either. Rape is too sore a subject for me to be able to deal with it.
Anyway, would someone kindly explain what happened with Aunt Babe that's got you all talking about her?
tammyy2j
07-10-2014, 13:58
As I said above, I didn't watch last night's episode and won't be watching tonight either. Rape is too sore a subject for me to be able to deal with it.
Anyway, would someone kindly explain what happened with Aunt Babe that's got you all talking about her?
Since she arrived I have found her shifty and she helped Shirley leg it and hide her from Mick and Tina who came looking for Shirley and then Shirley wanted to return to see Dean and tell Mick the truth and hand herself in but Babe persuaded her not too, Shirley said something like Babe was like a real mum to her
I don't know I just think she has her own agenda
I am sorry the rape storyline is hard to watch for you Dazzle
I think once Linda said Dean was like her son Lee he wanted to show her he was a man and not a boy and to be seen as a man so he rapes her, there is no way back for Dean and I do think Mick will kill him
Mick is beating Dean bad when Shirley shouts stop he is your brother :p
Since she arrived I have found her shifty and she helped Shirley leg it and hide her from Mick and Tina who came looking for Shirley and then Shirley wanted to return to see Dean and tell Mick the truth and hand herself in but Babe persuaded her not too, Shirley said something like Babe was like a real mum to her
I don't know I just think she has her own agenda
Maybe Babe's actions are because she feels guilty because she helped cover up that Mick is Shirley's son? It'll be interesting if there's more to it than that.
I'm fascinated by Babe. She's quite an unpleasant character but I want to see more of her - a bit like Shirley in that regard.
I am sorry the rape storyline is hard to watch for you Dazzle
Thanks Tammy.
I think once Linda said Dean was like her son Lee he wanted to show her he was a man and not a boy and to be seen as a man so he rapes her, there is no way back for Dean and I do think Mick will kill him
No, there's no way back for Dean. I'm sad that they've done this to his character. :(
Mick is beating Dean bad when Shirley shouts stop he is your brother :p
That would be an excellent reveal!
Dear me! There've been lots of complaints about the rape in last night's episode.
Despite not watching it myself, I still think it's a good idea to bring these events to people's attention (I've been very down on the storyline because I was worried about rape being used as entertainment, but reading the internet chatter today makes it plain that it was a very uncomfortable watch). The rape conviction statistics are appallingly bad and I'm afraid some people feel entitled to use other people's bodies sexually as they see fit, with little to no repercussions (legal or otherwise). Being violated like that is completely traumatising and ruins lives. I'm very glad they were hard scenes to watch - that was the whole point.
Many of the complaints are about the scenes being shown before the watershed and being unsuitable for children. If you don't want your children to watch a programme like EE that's known for its gritty drama, DON'T LET THEM WATCH IT!! I personally used to take advantage of such scenes to educate my daughter about real life. It's a good way of getting a discussion started.
Also, it's hilarious and sad in equal measure that EE don't get that level of complaints for other violence and murder!
moonstorm
07-10-2014, 15:33
Equally, as an opener for discussion with your sons!
Equally, as an opener for discussion with your sons!
So true Moonstorm. I didn't think of that as I don't have any sons. :D
Take heart Dazzle, over 7 million viewers watched last nights episode , 278 complaints were made . I think that demonstrates overwhelming support for your well stated belief. Of the 278 I hope some read your and Moonstorms previous posts.
Take heart Dazzle, over 7 million viewers watched last nights episode , 278 complaints were made . I think that demonstrates overwhelming support for your well stated belief. Of the 278 I hope some read your and Moonstorms previous posts.
Thanks Glen :)
As you say the ratio of complaints to viewers is extremely low, although that doesn't stop a media frenzy about it lol.
monalisa62003
07-10-2014, 23:18
I don't know Mona, Phil looked genuinely happy to be marrying Sharon to me. He treats Shirley with contempt time and time again and she doesn't learn. He doesn't treat Sharon so badly (at least not to her face) because he knows that she wouldn't stand for it like Shirley does.
Of course, I don't believe that Phil is truly capable of loving anyone. I'd be surprised if the marriage lasted long as the relationship is such a car crash.
It was when he couldnt tell shirley she was wrong, i think he only married sharon for ben's sake
Why would Shirley tell all when Phil knows her deepest, darkest secret? It's just asking for trouble, but then I suppose that's Shirley all over.
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she never told him, he guessed when she ran after mick when dean was just returning to the show.
The Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes were excellent last night. Surely that must be the end of Shirley pining for Phil after the way he spoke to her! Even Mona can't think he still loves her surely!
I liked the Abi/Jay Scenes last night but I thought they belonged in an ordinary episode rather than the wedding episodes. They distracted from the tension of the Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes. I was glad that Abi lost it with Jay as he was uncharacteristically cruel to her.
Still believe he does, he didnt mean any of that he said. Im shocked people believe he meant it. he said it for sharons sake, and he only went to sharon for bens sake. he didnt want to be with sharon, that much is clear to me. he does love shirley, hes just scared of loosing everything IMO he tried to get out of saying it, and his body languaged when he said it was weird. it was obvious he wasnt comfortable saying it
As I said above, I didn't watch last night's episode and won't be watching tonight either. Rape is too sore a subject for me to be able to deal with it.
Anyway, would someone kindly explain what happened with Aunt Babe that's got you all talking about her?
can you not FF through the rape scenes? i did that last night
If phil dont love shirl, sharons jealousy is beyond OTT and pathetic.
Do you honestly think what phil did to sharon behind her back, isnt as bad as doing it to your face? the reason he sweets talk sharon, is cos if he was horrible to her face shed walk. she wouldnt want to know him. he has sweet talked her for years, but done crap to her behind her back. he doesnt defend sharon like he does shirley.
phil might have been horrible to shirley in the past, but he can also be nice and gentle with her. (like when shirley told sharon she knew ronnie killed carl, didnt have a go) but at least shirley knows what he is like. that means more than someone being pulled a wool over their eyes and being a mug. he knows he can be himself around shirley it doesnt mean he dont love her.
moonstorm
08-10-2014, 08:15
So true Moonstorm. I didn't think of that as I don't have any sons. :D
Ah I have three of the little (well not so little at 6 4") persons!
It was when he couldnt tell shirley she was wrong, i think he only married sharon for ben's sake
I think it was more complicated than that. Ben definitely factored into the decision to marry Sharon, but Phil seemed genuinely happy to have married Sharon. He appeared to have no regrets about it afterwards.
she never told him, he guessed when she ran after mick when dean was just returning to the show.
What I meant was, why would Shirley tell everyone she slept with Phil when he can take his revenge on her by revealing her secret about Mick? That would have kept me quiet if I was Shirley.
Still believe he does, he didnt mean any of that he said. Im shocked people believe he meant it. he said it for sharons sake, and he only went to sharon for bens sake. he didnt want to be with sharon, that much is clear to me. he does love shirley, hes just scared of loosing everything IMO he tried to get out of saying it, and his body languaged when he said it was weird. it was obvious he wasnt comfortable saying it
No, Phil definitely didn't enjoy saying those things to Shirley. I do believe that he cares for her in his own way. However, the fact that he did what Sharon told him (even though it made him so uncomfortable) means that he wants to stay with her (and not just for Ben) in my opinion. Ben is an adult. Just because Phil decided he didn't want to be with Shirley because of her hatred of Ben didn't automatically mean he had to marry Sharon - unless that's what he wanted.
can you not FF through the rape scenes? i did that last night
I did consider doing this as I was loathe to miss the rest of the episode. I think even watching the scenes fast forwarding would have stressed me out though (because of the recent experience of someone close to me).
Do you honestly think what phil did to sharon behind her back, isnt as bad as doing it to your face?
Definitely! I think Sharon and Shirley are both complete doormats for chasing Phil even after everything he's done to them. I think it's a great pity that two otherwise strong women are written this way.
I should have guessed you wouldn't be over Shirley and Phil, Mona. I'm sure it'll be revisited in the future - the writers won't be able to resist. :)
Ah I have three of the little (well not so little at 6 4") persons!
Definitely not so little!
monalisa62003
08-10-2014, 16:07
I think it was more complicated than that. Ben definitely factored into the decision to marry Sharon, but Phil seemed genuinely happy to have married Sharon. He appeared to have no regrets about it afterwards.
What I meant was, why would Shirley tell everyone she slept with Phil when he can take his revenge on her by revealing her secret about Mick? That would have kept me quiet if I was Shirley.
No, Phil definitely didn't enjoy saying those things to Shirley. I do believe that he cares for her in his own way. However, the fact that he did what Sharon told him (even though it made him so uncomfortable) means that he wants to stay with her (and not just for Ben) in my opinion. Ben is an adult. Just because Phil decided he didn't want to be with Shirley because of her hatred of Ben didn't automatically mean he had to marry Sharon - unless that's what he wanted.
I did consider doing this as I was loathe to miss the rest of the episode. I think even watching the scenes fast forwarding would have stressed me out though (because of the recent experience of someone close to me).
Definitely! I think Sharon and Shirley are both complete doormats for chasing Phil even after everything he's done to them. I think it's a great pity that two otherwise strong women are written this way.
I should have guessed you wouldn't be over Shirley and Phil, Mona. I'm sure it'll be revisited in the future - the writers won't be able to resist. :)
Definitely not so little!
I believe it was for bens sake. Espiciially more so now. Ben told him to go to sharon AFTER they were already married, if he was so in love with sharon, why did he not leave the table and try to sort things out with sharon? Instead he was staring at shirley. He wasnt overly happy IMO as soon as they got inside the vic and shirley was there, he wasnt happy. Shirley wound him up a lot.
If phil wanted to say those things, why did he ask sharon "what do you want me to say?" He clearly didnt want to say it, thats why again i add it was for bens sake. As he wouldnt have even gone after sharon if ben didnt tell him to.
In last nights ep, phils first concern was for shirley. Not sharon. People might think it was for their own concern not to shop shirley in, but he didnt need to ask if shirley was ok. He wasnt bothered about sharon being at the hospital.
Phil knows that if he got with shirley, theres a chance he could loose everything. There is a greater risk of phil being with shirley than there is with sharon. Sharon is safe and easy, he knows with sharon he gets a family life and could make it work. With shirley, she could leave within a day and everything could fall apart.
I also think something happened at xmas that we dont know about, and this is part of phils persistence to make things work with sharon,
I cant see phil telling mick the secret, which is another reason why i believe he loves shirley, if he didnt give a damn that would be his first thought
Id be fine if they just showed it clear if phil loved shirley or not. I know a lot of people are very confused and mixed thoughts about it. Its not as clear cut imo
I think that Phil was unhappy Shirley was at the wedding mainly because she's such a loose cannon that he was afraid of what she might say/do. With very good cause as it turned out! He also (hopefully) felt guilty about using and abusing her (yet again).
I agree that Phil's first concern being for Shirley was contradictory of his choosing Sharon. Just because I believed that he was genuinely happy to marry Sharon on their wedding day, doesn't mean that I think he doesn't care for Shirley or that he won't come to regret his marriage (perhaps even immediately). He may keep vacillating between the two of them as long as all three characters are on the square.
I don't think the writers are going to show whether Phil truly loves Shirley or not anytime soon. They love that people are debating this issue so hard! I've read that Letitia Dean has said that Phil and Sharon's marriage is
for the long haul, so it doesn't sound like Phil will leave Sharon any time soon.
monalisa62003
09-10-2014, 10:48
If he didnt love shirley, why couldnt he answer her outside the registry office when she asked if he would choose her?
Again, if he was so in love with sharon, why didnt he leave the table or react to sharons pleas? Ben begged him to go. He didnt seem interested
Jamie b said a few times both love triangles were similar, sharon is as jealous as abi was over jay/lola.
Even if they do stay together, i wont ever believe phils love for sharon is real. If she left him he probably wouldnt care
Why just cos phil is with sharon, it couldnt be shown he loves shirley? Just cos hes not with shirley dont mean he dont love her, it is possible to love two people. It would cause issues with phil and sharon, and also means phil isnt happy. I dont want to see him happy
Also, if that is true about him not being happy around shirley, then if he was worried shed say something, why did he not even try to stop her saying it when it was obvious she was going to?
monalisa62003
09-10-2014, 10:48
If he didnt love shirley, why couldnt he answer her outside the registry office when she asked if he would choose her?
Again, if he was so in love with sharon, why didnt he leave the table or react to sharons pleas? Ben begged him to go. He didnt seem interested
phil is a selfish b*stard who wants both sharon and shirley, shirley will accept his bad side, while sharon will accept ben and be a trophy wife by his side, phil deserves neither
poor linda will she tell anyone please soon, come on dr mick he helps everyone else with their problems notice Linda's change and help her
phil is a selfish b*stard who wants both sharon and shirley, shirley will accept his bad side, while sharon will accept ben and be a trophy wife by his side, phil deserves neither
poor linda will she tell anyone please soon, come on dr mick he helps everyone else with their problems notice Linda's change and help her
monalisa62003
09-10-2014, 23:49
Im so annoyed if thats supposed to be it,how can they use shirl as a plot device and just trash her off as nothing?? it doesnt make any sense, phil doesn't "Hate" shirley, that is clear. he was defending her since he woke up so we're supposed to believe he suddenly hates her:S he seemed to be defending her at first till he seen how annoyed sharon was
its not very fair dtc tweeted in june phil was torn between them and had feelings for shirl if this was all a lie. how does this make any sense "she's the victim, i hate her" how can you hate a victim?
Poor lost Linda is a shadow of her former self. :( It's very frustrating that her family and friends seem almost blind to her distress.
Dean... :angry:
I didn't understand it when Phil said "she's the victim, I hate her" either. Maybe he meant that she's playing the victim? I don't think that Phil actually hates Shirley though.
I don't think there's any doubt after the latest episode that Phil wants Sharon. He was practically begging her not to leave him. It's not all about Ben either, as Phil is way too selfish to put himself out like that, even for his son. He had the perfect opportunity to let Sharon walk away last night, but he didn't want to let her go. It's easy to forget their long, long history sometimes and I'm glad we were reminded of that last night. I found their scenes at the hospital compelling, if frustrating.
monalisa62003
10-10-2014, 02:50
Shirley has gone. I think phil is genuinely hurt she left and didnt even bother to see how he was. Hes married now, what else is he supposed to do?
When sharon was telling phil about how shirley brings pain to people, you could tell he was hurt
Had he had his way at the reception, hed have been with shirley. Only now shes gone he has no option
He genuinely did want to see shirley, but mick told him pretty much she wasnt going to get in touch.
He wasnt begging sharon in tuesdays episode, only after she told the police about it not being shirley.
I dont believe phil and sharon are soulmates, ill always believe he chose shirley and sharons 2nd best. He didnt even tell sharon he chose her.
Phil would do literally anything for ben, hes a very family man, very loyal. Hes messed up his r/ship with shirley when he did want to be with her IMO. If ben came to hate sharon, he'd do the same for him over her. Phil did kick sharon out over lexi, so if sharon puts a foot wrong with anyone he'd do the same no question.
Phil will probably be happy for a week or so, shirleys out of sight and mind. She returns in november :)(hope thats ok for me to post that in here)
Phil would do literally anything for ben, hes a very family man, very loyal
Sorry, but this doesn't ring true for me at all, so I had a quick look on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Mitchell) for a reminder of some examples of Phil being "loyal" to his family (including partners):
"...having an affair with Sharon Watts (Letitia Dean) who was married to Grant"
"Kathy and Phil eventually sort out their differences and marry and they have a son, Ben (Matthew Silver), making Phil feel neglected and depressed so he turns to alcohol and develops an addiction. This makes him abusive and neglectful towards Kathy and Ben..."
"He and Kathy reconcile when he attends counselling until he begins an affair with fellow alcoholic Lorna Cartwright"
"...Phil pulls out a gun and shoots at the dashboard, causing Grant to crash into the River Thames"
"Phil is unsupportive when his girlfriend, Lisa, has a miscarriage and he starts domestically abusing her..."
"Peggy locks him inside her home so he cannot have access to drugs, but, suffering withdrawal symptoms, he escapes and confronts Peggy, setting the pub on fire..."
"Shirley supports Phil through recovery. They steal a large amount of money from Phil's cousin, Roxy Mitchell..."
"Phil reacts badly when he discovers Ben is gay, and makes it clear that he prefers Billy's foster son, Jay Brown."
No doubt there's plenty more examples of Phil's callousness to his family. He talks the talk about family but always puts himself first when push comes to shove, which is why I don't believe for a moment that Phil would be with Sharon solely for Ben's sake.
Fun reading at 3.00 am for an insomniac!
Phil will probably be happy for a week or so, shirleys out of sight and mind
I agree with you there at least. :)
monalisa62003
10-10-2014, 08:35
Did you mot see the scene wben ben told phil to ,arry sharon? Or when ben told him to go to sharon at the table?
Its not just for bens sake, phil wants a family, he knows if he sticks with sharon he get s a family life. Im sorry i dont buy hes madly in love with sharon when ben told him to go to her and he keeps asking questions about shirley
I meant phil is loyal to his kids. He covered up heathers murder for ben and kicked sharon out when she put lexi in danger. Maybe in the old days he done mistakes but just cos you make mistakes doesnt mean your not a loyal father and wants to do whats right by his kids
monalisa62003
10-10-2014, 08:35
Did you not see the scene wben ben told phil to marry sharon? Or when ben told him to go to sharon at the table?
Its not just for bens sake, phil wants a family, he knows if he sticks with sharon he get s a family life. Im sorry i dont buy hes madly in love with sharon when ben told him to go to her and he keeps asking questions about shirley
I meant phil is loyal to his kids. He covered up heathers murder for ben and kicked sharon out when she put lexi in danger. Maybe in the old days he done mistakes but just cos you make mistakes doesnt mean your not a loyal father and wants to do whats right by his kids
People in the old days said phil was only with shirley for bens sake. But i never believed that. Phil does love sharon but IMO hes not in love with her and his heart was never in it. He'll play along to keep a woman he gets a trophy wife and gets sex, shirleys gone and he doesnt know where she is. How do we know hes fully over her when he hasnt seen her? Shes out of sight
Phil was even going go marry stella for bens sake. He never loved stella but was prepared to marry her.
I meant phil is loyal to his kids. He covered up heathers murder for ben and kicked sharon out when she put lexi in danger. Maybe in the old days he done mistakes but just cos you make mistakes doesnt mean your not a loyal father and wants to do whats right by his kids
Phil has been downright abusive to Ben many times - those were not just "mistakes" and nothing can make up for them. He puts his family first only when it suits him. He's an irredeemable bully.
Phil was even going go marry stella for bens sake. He never loved stella but was prepared to marry her.
I'll refer you back to my original point that in my opinion Phil looked genuinely happy to have married Sharon on his wedding day. And yes, he did beg her not to leave him last night. To me, those are not signs of someone who married out of duty.
Yes, there have been lots of contradictory things said, and Phil has been very torn between Sharon and Shirley, but it seems to me he's made up his mind and is happy about it (for the time being at least).
I'm sure you'll get your wish and we'll see more of Phil and Shirley in the future, Mona. :)
Anyway, this debate is going around in circles so I won't say any more about it for now.
monalisa62003
10-10-2014, 14:00
He didnt even tell sharon he chose her, he said he married her, not that he chose her. i believe he chose shirley and sharons 2nd best. I still maintain he is upset shirley has gone and if he was so in love with sharon as he makes out, he should hsve left the table or reacted to sharon and not just cos ben told him to. thats the impression i got, that if ben didnt tell him to go,he wouldnt have gone after sharon. if they wanted us to believe hes in love with sharon,then having ben beg him to go isnt the way to go about it
Shirley has gone. Thats why he begged her not to go. He has noone else. Again why did he not react to sharon at the table?? Im still asking this cos i want a proper reason to go with the logic he seems to be so in love with her, but barely reacted and instead was staring at shirley. Baffles me
If he didnt beg sharon back, ben would have given him hell. It was ben who told him to beg sharon back and make it work.they shouldnt have included those scenes if they didnt want us to have that impression, stupid scenes if you ask me if thats not the way its supposed to come across. Phil was not begging sharon in tuesdays episode, he was wanting to see shirley.
If you remember in 2012, ben told phil to dump shirley and then when ben messed things up, phil pretty much said he brought shirley back for him, (though he tried to get her back over the derek thing) theres plenty of evidence to support phil marrying sharon for bens sake.
IMO for me, he was more natural happy with shirley when she proposed in 2012. The signs of him being happy with sharon werent natural
One thing that genuinely puzzles me, phil said in last nights ep he already told sharon he slept with shirley cos he wanted to hurt her, so he must have been genuine in wanting to see shirley. Why would he still be wanting to hurt sharon after he told her that was the reason?
i like this sullen quite scared linda poor thing she needs to speak up
I'm glad Linda's family are starting to notice something serious is the matter with her, but why didn't Nancy ask her why she was crying?
Why did Charlie stir things up between Ian and Max?
What did Max have to gain by dobbing in Summerhayes? Was it to free her from the investigation so they can carry on seeing each other? If so, that's unforgivable! Summerhayes will be fuming when she finds out - as she undoubtedly will. Doesn't Max realise that all calls to the police are recorded?
It's good to see Ian back. I've missed him even though I don't like him much as a character. I also loved seeing DI Keeble. I just wish we saw more of her.
Peter must be the chief suspect since it seems the detective is following him (he could be following Lauren but I think it's more likely to be Peter). I wonder what the police know that we don't?
Likewise, I too would love to know what is DI Keeble's angle on the murder. Too early yet in the plot I suppose.
tammyy2j
12-10-2014, 19:54
I'm glad Linda's family are starting to notice something serious is the matter with her, but why didn't Nancy ask her why she was crying?
Why did Charlie stir things up between Ian and Max? Charlie don't like Max
What did Max have to gain by dobbing in Summerhayes? Was it to free her from the investigation so they can carry on seeing each other? If so, that's unforgivable! Summerhayes will be fuming when she finds out - as she undoubtedly will. Doesn't Max realise that all calls to the police are recorded? So she will off the case and he can have a "relationship" with her
It's good to see Ian back. I've missed him even though I don't like him much as a character. I also loved seeing DI Keeble. I just wish we saw more of her.
Peter must be the chief suspect since it seems the detective is following him (he could be following Lauren but I think it's more likely to be Peter). I wonder what the police know that we don't?
How can the copper be undercover around the square as Ian and the family will know him as he did visit them with Emma
He must think Lauren and Peter are suspects as he is only following them
How can the copper be undercover around the square as Ian and the family will know him as he did visit them with Emma
He must think Lauren and Peter are suspects as he is only following them
Good point lol. I guess he's trying to stay inconspicuous but it would be much more realistic to have a stranger following Peter.
monalisa62003
13-10-2014, 20:31
Why was Stan not bothered about what shirley done / where she is? he went away and hasnt mentioned her
Why was Stan not bothered about what shirley done / where she is? he went away and hasnt mentioned her
mick is the apple of his eye his favourite
monalisa62003
13-10-2014, 21:20
Even if he didnt show he loved shirley, when he arrived he always mocked her for being bad and the same as him/her mother etc
Why was Stan not bothered about what shirley done / where she is? he went away and hasnt mentioned her
I'm sure he had some reaction to the shooting, but he's not one to run around like a headless chicken. He wasn't in last week's scenes (that I remember) so were weren't shown his initial reaction.
I usually like Nancy but she's being incredibly insensitive to her mum at the moment. At least they all know that something's wrong now.
I was wondering last night if Emma's boss will want to use her closeness to Max to aid the investigation. She could tell everyone she's been fired but still be working for them secretly. It would be a good opportunity to get closer to all the main players in Lucy's death. No doubt I'm way off the mark, but stranger things have happened in soaps! :D
is emma engaged to the other cop the stalker fella?
is emma engaged to the other cop the stalker fella?
That's what I think. Nice complication if it's true.
It looks like my theory about Summerhayes getting closer to Max to aide the investigation was erroneous. :o Oh well, I guess it would have been a tad predictable.
I'm glad Linda's mother's here to help her out. She looks like she could be an interesting character. I felt sorry for Mick last night. He's very hurt at Linda's continued rejection.
if linda was 16 when she had nancy what age had she lee at
tammyy2j
15-10-2014, 23:38
is emma engaged to the other cop the stalker fella?
I don't like or care for Emma and cant see how Max is so in love with her like he was with Stacey and Tanya
parkerman
16-10-2014, 10:16
Or with Kirsty, Vanessa, Gemma, Lucy.....the list is endless for Max.
tammyy2j
16-10-2014, 13:30
Or with Kirsty, Vanessa, Gemma, Lucy.....the list is endless for Max.
I don't think he was in love with them
linda's ma seems a good character a good crack reminds me of pat butcher
babe and the undertaker chap is their an affair on the cards
tamwar likes nancy
linda's ma seems a good character a good crack reminds me of pat butcher
babe and the undertaker chap is their an affair on the cards
tamwar likes nancy
I like Linda's mum. She's very funny and has great chemistry with all the Carters. I was impressed that she clocked so quickly that something is severely off between Linda and Dean. Has she guessed the severity of the problem, I wonder? I'll be annoyed if she, like Sharon, assumes that Linda has led him on in some way. :angry:
Did anyone else notice that Dean really didn't like Johnny removing his hat? What's that about?
That copper, Cameron, is creepy. I liked a feistier Emma but unfortunately it didn't last long. We didn't see the interview between her and her boss so, as she's still running after Max, I'm again wondering if there isn't some sort of set up going on so she can gather more info for the investigation. :hmm:
Nancy's musical bingo was lame for a 21st birthday party to say the least!
I like Linda's mum. She's very funny and has great chemistry with all the Carters. I was impressed that she clocked so quickly that something is severely off between Linda and Dean. Has she guessed the severity of the problem, I wonder? I'll be annoyed if she, like Sharon, assumes that Linda has led him on in some way. :angry:
Did anyone else notice that Dean really didn't like Johnny removing his hat? What's that about?
That copper, Cameron, is creepy. I liked a feistier Emma but unfortunately it didn't last long. We didn't see the interview between her and her boss so, as she's still running after Max, I'm again wondering if there isn't some sort of set up going on so she can gather more info for the investigation. :hmm:
Nancy's musical bingo was lame for a 21st birthday party to say the least!
Lindas' mom , right on the case, hope she makes progress with linda. Yes, Dean did seem really annoyed. For me Dean is a control freak with females and seems to view them with contempt and ridicule .whilst appearing to be a womaniser.
Emma didn't take long to rush back to Max, as you say Dazzle ,could be a set up. Doesn't look she's sorting Charlie out either?
Was hoping Linda's mom Elaine would have stayed a bit longer. Why was the "undercover " CID guy bothering to follow Lauren to the chippie and back home again the chip shop's not far from the house, was he meant to get discovered to put the wind up Peter and Lauren?
is linda's ma gone for good now she should have stayed a bit longer to help linda and get to the truth
loved her line to dean in the jacks :p
is linda's ma gone for good now she should have stayed a bit longer to help linda and get to the truth
loved her line to dean in the jacks :p
Linda's mum will be back, it has been confirmed :)
I'm really disappointed that Elaine assumed Linda having an affair with Dean. Linda looked horrified to see him not guilty. Still, at least that wasn't dragged out. I enjoyed Elaine threatening Dean's manhood!
I like Ronnie and Charlie together - they're rather sweet (although I haven't forgotten that Charlie may not be as nice as he comes across - remember he stole money from an old man in the care home?). I also like the foursome of Ronnie, Roxy, Charlie and Aleks. They should provide us with some entertaining drama. I can't wait for Ronnie to find out that Aleks is deceiving Roxy (and his poor wife and child)!
Loved Dot's line about banning smoking in her own home. :D
What is Emma up to? What is Cameron up to? Whatever it is, Emma isn't happy with him following Lauren and Peter.
does charlie still pretend to go off to work as a copper?
i cant believe ronnie just blurted out that she killed a man
does charlie still pretend to go off to work as a copper?
i cant believe ronnie just blurted out that she killed a man
tammyy2j
21-10-2014, 00:32
Going by how they interacted so far new guy Kush is for Shabham
does charlie still pretend to go off to work as a copper?
i cant believe ronnie just blurted out that she killed a man
I wasn't expecting Ronnie's confession either! Will Charlie in turn confess that he's not a copper? I think he must be pretending to go off to work most days. :searchme:
Going by how they interacted so far new guy Kush is for Shabham
It certainly seems that way. It's about time they gave Shabman a storyline. I'm dying to know more about her.
I wonder if Linda will be able to confide in Stacey? I hope Stacey doesn't start a relationship with Dean. Apart from the obvious :angry:, they don't seem suited to me.
Kat's burns are healing well and don't look like they're going to leave a scar, so it seems like she's worrying for nothing. However, I think being trapped in a fire would be enough to change anyone's outlook.
Kat's burns are healing well and don't look like they're going to leave a scar, so it seems like she's worrying for nothing. However, I think being trapped in a fire would be enough to change anyone's outlook.
I thought she was going to be scarred for life ....
I thought she was going to be scarred for life ....
Me too. It didn't look as if that were the case in last night's episode though. They already look like could be covered up with make-up. :searchme:
I wasn't expecting Ronnie's confession either! Will Charlie in turn confess that he's not a copper? I think he must be pretending to go off to work most days. :searchme:
It certainly seems that way. It's about time they gave Shabman a storyline. I'm dying to know more about her.
I wonder if Linda will be able to confide in Stacey? I hope Stacey doesn't start a relationship with Dean. Apart from the obvious :angry:, they don't seem suited to me.
Kat's burns are healing well and don't look like they're going to leave a scar, so it seems like she's worrying for nothing. However, I think being trapped in a fire would be enough to change anyone's outlook.
before dean become a rapist, I think him and stacey had potential to be a great couple, they seem to have good chemistry but then the writers ruined the character of dean by having him rape linda
good that charlie told ronnie the whole truth next he should tell dot
I really liked Ronnie and Charlie's scenes. They make a good, believable couple - even better with Dot added to the mix.
I wish Alfie would leave (preferably to go to prison).
Dot's sympathetic retelling of the baby swap storyline was a nice touch. I liked how it was basically a monologue, as Charlie said very little during that scene.
tammyy2j
22-10-2014, 19:42
Is it wrong I am liking all the Dean and Stacey scenes and them as a potential couple even though Dean is a vile evil rapist, why writers why
Why does Phil have to approve all the Mitchell women's boyfriends? Ronnie can do what she wants she is an adult and she is well suited to Charlie and I think she deserves some happiness even if she is a murderer
Is it wrong I am liking all the Dean and Stacey scenes and them as a potential couple even though Dean is a vile evil rapist...
Yes!!! :angry: :p
is it another xmas wedding for miserable kat and alfie again
why is rebecca confiding in charlie
is it another xmas wedding for miserable kat and alfie again
why is rebecca confiding in charlie
parkerman
23-10-2014, 21:47
Because he's famerlee.....sort of.
tammyy2j
24-10-2014, 16:49
Where did Shabham get 10 grand for Tamwar for his birthday, has she many other jobs or side businesses :p
Alfie was completely unbearable last night, blaming everyone but himself for his situation.
If he'd admitted the truth of their housing crisis to Masood, I'm sure the latter would have allowed them to stay (even though he's been such an ill-mannered guest). But no, Alfie's pride wouldn't allow him to admit the truth so he went on the attack and blamed Masood. Extremely unpleasant!
Then the fire is apparently Mo's fault not his! He then expected to be given special treatment by the housing department. I actually thought the woman he saw was very reasonable given his attitude. How she managed to keep her temper I don't know. The "they house all sorts" nowadays remark was rude and ignorant, especially given they were living in a council house which HE BURNED DOWN!!!
He just refuses to accept any responsibility at all!!! :angry:
I've never been a fan of Alfie's as I'm not keen on the cheeky chappie routine. I actually find his banter quite cringeworthy. He's been made so unlikeable now where does the character go from here? How can Kat forgive him when she finds out the truth?
Where did Shabham get 10 grand for Tamwar for his birthday, has she many other jobs or side businesses :p
The money Shabnam gave Tamwar is intriguing. I hope we're going to find out more about her years away at last.
(P.S. Apologies for the overuse of exclamation marks and capitals in this post. :ninja:)
Was that the best duff, duff for ages, Nick must surely be the most popular soap villain imo, His eventual meeting with Dot should be classic . One guy I hope saw the episode flappinfanny .:clap:
parkerman
25-10-2014, 09:42
is it another xmas wedding for miserable kat and alfie again
No. :)
parkerman
25-10-2014, 09:44
Anyway, talking of Alfie and Kat, what happens when the next person comes along to view the house...?
I didn't watch Friday's EastEnders until last night (because I couldn't bear to watch any more of Alfie's distasteful self-pity and arrogance) so unfortunately I knew what the duff duff would be. When will I learn to stay off soap sites until I'm up-to-date with episodes? :wall:
Loved seeing Nick despite knowing it was coming. It's such a soap cliché that disaster strikes when a couple are finally happy, but I don't mind in this case as the characters and story are so compelling.
I don't blame Stacey for getting away from Alfie, but is it a case of out of the frying pan...?
Sonia - Cardiff isn't such a bad place to live (I would know since I'm a native :D) and it's only a short train ride to London. I'm positive she'll allow Rebecca to go in the end as it would be cruel not to, and that isn't Sonia.
Kush seems like he has potential to be a good character and I approve of his probable pairing with the fascinating Shabnam. I hope all of the Masoods get more screen time now than they have recently.
parkerman
26-10-2014, 11:08
Sonia - Cardiff isn't such a bad place to live (I would know since I'm a native :D) and it's only a short train ride to London. I'm positive she'll allow Rebecca to go in the end as it would be cruel not to, and that isn't Sonia.
I thought it was just appalling for Sonia to lay the success of her marriage on to her daughter in that way and prevent her from doing what she really wants.
parkerman
26-10-2014, 11:08
.............................
I thought it was just appalling for Sonia to lay the success of her marriage on to her daughter in that way and prevent her from doing what she really wants.
I know that was terrible...a good example of how to damage your child for life! :eek: I'm hoping Sonia will realise her error and quickly apologise for it.
LostVoodoo
26-10-2014, 13:52
I was gobsmacked when Sonia said that! So out of character too!
does sonia not work as a nurse aid anymore? she looked very into new guy kush tonight
does sonia not work as a nurse aid anymore? she looked very into new guy kush tonight
I think she's a nurse, it's been mentioned several times since she's been back. She's desperate for attention isn't she? First she tries it on with Tina and then with Kush.
Since when were Ben and Abi best friends?
Roxy's already getting feed up of Aleks and she doesn't yet know the half of it. Who can blame her for being jealous of Ronnie's Mr Perfect? I'm so glad Charlie stood up to Phil.
Dean really makes my skin crawl...:thumbsdow
That was a very tense duff duff with Dot about to walk in on Nick!
abi and ben were good mates before she got with jay when they were younger
phil stitching charlie up cause he wants him gone thought phil would follow charlie to the drop off point
abi and ben were good mates before she got with jay when they were younger
phil stitching charlie up cause he wants him gone thought phil would follow charlie to the drop off point
monalisa62003
28-10-2014, 23:11
Loved tonights ep, ha phil lying to sharon and theyve only been married for a month!
Loved tonights ep, ha phil lying to sharon and theyve only been married for a month!
I bet you did lol :D
What Phil did to Charlie was evil! He's supposed to care for Ronnie - she is a Mitchell after all! I shouldn't be surprised that Phil treats even family badly though. :searchme:
Charlie was very sweet to his undeserving father. I suppose he craves his approval. :(
Poor Dot knows Nick's been in her house... :crying: :angry:
Abi seems to be falling for Ben, who's falling for Johnny... Another teenage love triangle, surprise surprise. I do think it's got potential to be more interesting than most other soap love triangles though.
parkerman
29-10-2014, 15:10
I shouldn't be surprised that Phil treats even family badly though!
Well he's never been noted for his "kind" treatment of Billy.:hmm:
Well he's never been noted for his "kind" treatment of Billy.:hmm:
True, Billy's only treated like a Mitchell when it suits Phil.
tammyy2j
29-10-2014, 16:35
I think Charlie is afraid of Nick
monalisa62003
31-10-2014, 22:51
I bet you did lol :D
What Phil did to Charlie was evil! He's supposed to care for Ronnie - she is a Mitchell after all! I shouldn't be surprised that Phil treats even family badly though. :searchme:
. can you blame me lol what was with phil tonight, why did he confess? and why no phil/sharon scenes?
has abi always been the stalker? i thought cameron was?
can you blame me lol what was with phil tonight, why did he confess? and why no phil/sharon scenes?
has abi always been the stalker? i thought cameron was?
I think Phil confessed because he realised that Charlie truly loves Ronnie, resulting in Phil feeling guilty about the subterfuge with the money
I presume that Abi recently took over stalker duties. Maybe Cameron stopped when Emma recently had a word (although I'd still like to know why he was stalking Lauren and/or Peter). I'm enjoying evil Abi. :D
Dot and Nick's long anticipated meeting was thoroughly entertaining as usual. I loved that she intuitively knew he was in the house. I'm glad that Charlie confessed the truth at last. Will Dot be able forgive him?
abi as lauren's stalker is intriguing gives abi a bit more substance as now an evil branning like derek :p
enjoyed the cotton scenes
enjoyed the cotton scenes
They were fab! I'm so glad that Dot chose Charlie and didn't fall for yet more of Nick's lies. :)
I liked the Lauren and Abi scenes, but would have preferred the episode to concentrate solely on the Dot and her family.
Is this the end of Nick's return to Albert Square, I wonder?
tammyy2j
04-11-2014, 14:51
enjoyed the cotton scenes
I did too but am not keen on Charlie's mother
Is this the end of Nick's return to Albert Square, I wonder?
Get the feeling Charlie may try to make it permanent, with Mr Cokers help ? Must be some point to Les Coker in the Square apart from giving Billy a job ?:searchme:
Get the feeling Charlie may try to make it permanent, with Mr Cokers help ? Must be some point to Les Coker in the Square apart from giving Billy a job ?:searchme:
It couldn't happen to a nicer bloke! :D
I thought Dot had forgiven Charlie but it seems not. Too right! As much as I like Charlie, he did an awful thing to poor Dot. I'm glad Nick's not gone yet as I want to see many more riveting scenes between him, Dot and Charlie.
I hope that Linda's baby doesn't turn out to be Dean's. I don't want to see her suffer any more. Also, it's making me quite cross that Nancy (and presumably the other kids too) aren't worried about their mother's strange behaviour.
I'm dying to kind out what Keeble suspects the Brannings of doing. And what did Abi mean when she mentioned Good Friday to Max? Is it something I've forgotten or is it something us viewers are still in the dark about?
As I recall Max had a row with Lucy in the car sales office , she falls to the floor and knocks her head. The row being over Lee. Later that day Max receives anonymous message saying something to the effect " I know what you've been doing" ,plus a photo of him and Lucy together. Friday 18th April was Good Friday the day Lucy's body was found . So whether Abi is the phantom message sender hence Abi's comment ? Agree would love to know what's going on in Keeble's head.
P.S . My shortlist :) ! of suspects for the murder is now up to twelve , Abi the latest addition , after the Halloween plot.:D
how does max know keeble?
parkerman
06-11-2014, 09:05
Through the investigation.
tammyy2j
06-11-2014, 14:20
Through the investigation.
I think Keeble knew Max and his family before Lucy's murder investigation was she involved the time Tanya buried Max alive or Lauren ran him down maybe
I think Keeble knew Max and his family before Lucy's murder investigation was she involved the time Tanya buried Max alive or Lauren rang him down maybe
Yes, I've just had a look on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EastEnders_characters_%282008%29#Samantha_ Keeble). They met when she investigated the hit and run in 2008.
tammyy2j
06-11-2014, 16:35
Yes, I've just had a look on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EastEnders_characters_%282008%29#Samantha_ Keeble). They met when she investigated the hit and run in 2008.
Keeble and Max have been chemistry too than him and Emma :p
Keeble and Max have been chemistry too than him and Emma :p
An idea for a future plot development! Max meets his match in sexual voracity at last! :D
An idea for a future plot development! Max meets his match in sexual voracity at last! :D
she is too old for maxy
An idea for a future plot development! Max meets his match in sexual voracity at last! :D
she is too old for maxy
she is too old for maxy
Very true, sad to say, as he likes them young. He doesn't know what he's missing!
I'm thoroughly enjoying the Cotton family scenes. I've read that June Brown and John Altman are very close in real life and it shows onscreen. I'm also delighted that Charlie fits in with them very easily and naturally.
It seems that Nick will be with us until at least Christmas then. Excellent stuff!
Dot on top form in her scenes with Nick and Les Coker. She really does it with style. Nick top drawer to back it up.
I could not quite hear what she was saying to Les right at the end .. I presume she did not say what it was from your statement :hmm: .. was hoping to find out on here what it was :p
I could not quite hear what she was saying to Les right at the end .. I presume she did not say what it was from your statement :hmm: .. was hoping to find out on here what it was :p
Can't find anything on the web,except Pam Coker gets very concerned about D.C Emma Summerhayes finding out . From last nights episode seems to be connected to the death of a child ? The good news , she confides in Billy next week. (not a good plan for a secret, Pam :nono:) .So all being well the whole of Walford and us should know very shortly.:thumbsup:
Good to see more of the Cokers. I'd say Pam's secret is something to do with a child by the way she was clutching that teddy bear. At the end she was talking about her fear of anyone finding out about it, I think.
Dot giving Mr Coker and Nick a good telling off made me laugh, as did Emma's parents. I hope we see more of them!
emma's parents are more likeable and interesting than her
yes could pam have killed a child?
emma's parents are more likeable and interesting than her
yes could pam have killed a child?
parkerman
10-11-2014, 22:52
I wish we had a printer round this way who could turn round work that quick! Photos taken on Friday. Hundreds of calendars laid out, printed and boxed up ready for distribution on Monday morning. That's some service.
tammyy2j
11-11-2014, 00:07
How is Peter in the calendar, isn't he gone away?
parkerman
11-11-2014, 00:17
How is Peter in the calendar, isn't he gone away?
Exactly what I said to my wife when his photo came up.
How is Peter in the calendar, isn't he gone away?
Pam mentioned he'd sent the photo from New Zealand. I read he was supposedly photoshopped onto the chippy background as Pam mentioned "technical stuff". I bet that picture of a topless Peter sent a few hearts fluttering!
Good episode last night. I particularly enjoyed Billy and the Cokers in the funeral parlour, scenes I've wanted to see since Billy started work there. I wonder if Pam killed their son?
parkerman
11-11-2014, 17:48
So even more work that had to be carried out in that incredibly short time frame!
Well, curiosity won't kill your cat ,for sure Billy ! Whose reaction 24hrs after being told by Pam " I killed my child" was," I was a bit shocked". What happened ? might have been a good question Billy ,if only for the viewers benefit....:wall:
Well, curiosity won't kill your cat ,for sure Billy ! Whose reaction 24hrs after being told by Pam " I killed my child" was," I was a bit shocked". What happened ? might have been a good question Billy ,if only for the viewers benefit....:wall:
so it was her child pam killed i missed that part all i remember her saying was she killed someone
nick calling carol sis was priceless
is aleks still living his double life with his family and roxy as well as too posing for the calendar
Well, curiosity won't kill your cat ,for sure Billy ! Whose reaction 24hrs after being told by Pam " I killed my child" was," I was a bit shocked". What happened ? might have been a good question Billy ,if only for the viewers benefit....:wall:
so it was her child pam killed i missed that part all i remember her saying was she killed someone
nick calling carol sis was priceless
is aleks still living his double life with his family and roxy as well as too posing for the calendar
so it was her child pam killed i missed that part all i remember her saying was she killed someone
nick calling carol sis was priceless
is aleks still living his double life with his family and roxy as well as too posing for the calendar
Your quite right Lizann that is what she said , I think the teddy bear, the anniversary , I was too keen, and jumped to the wrong conclusion :o
maidmarian
11-11-2014, 21:30
Well, curiosity won't kill your cat ,for sure Billy ! Whose reaction 24hrs after being told by Pam " I killed my child" was," I was a bit shocked". What happened ? might have been a good question Billy ,if only for the viewers benefit....:wall:
Well.perhaps he didnt want to be reminded
about his own history. When he was first
on Eastenders he was beating & abusing a
newphew ?? he had care of. Not the same
as killing I know -but still bad.
Now is he another cuddly grandad & great-
grandad? on EE-
maidmarian
11-11-2014, 21:30
Well, curiosity won't kill your cat ,for sure Billy ! Whose reaction 24hrs after being told by Pam " I killed my child" was," I was a bit shocked". What happened ? might have been a good question Billy ,if only for the viewers benefit....:wall:
Well.perhaps he didnt want to be reminded
about his own history. When he was first
on Eastenders he was beating & abusing a
newphew ?? he had care of. Not the same
as killing I know -but still bad.
Now is he another cuddly grandad & great-
grandad? on EE-
monalisa62003
11-11-2014, 23:39
shocked me tonight when sharon said she still had a problem with "Phil & shirley" it was shirley who shot phil, and she seems happy with phil. why not just say shirley? odd.
does anyone keep old episodes by any chance? im trying to find the scene when phil & shirley first met and its nowhere online.:(
parkerman
12-11-2014, 06:44
Even for Eastenders, this Alfie & Kat squatting storyline really takes the biscuit......
tammyy2j
12-11-2014, 15:01
Even for Eastenders, this Alfie & Kat squatting storyline really takes the biscuit......
Wouldn't social services have visited them over the fire and now squatting and eviction to check on the kids, Lola was hounded over Lexi
Ruffed_lemur
12-11-2014, 16:13
Your quite right Lizann that is what she said , I think the teddy bear, the anniversary , I was too keen, and jumped to the wrong conclusion :o
You could still be right. I think there's a connection, and hope they tell us soon.
so sonia keeps the charity money for what, a boob job, lipo, face lift
still none the wiser about pam it sounds like her son was older when he died but did she kill him or assist his suicide
how has wheels (sorry cant think of her name) got terry's flat key wouldn't the landlord get that back
so sonia keeps the charity money for what, a boob job, lipo, face lift
still none the wiser about pam it sounds like her son was older when he died but did she kill him or assist his suicide
how has wheels (sorry cant think of her name) got terry's flat key wouldn't the landlord get that back
still none the wiser about pam it sounds like her son was older when he died but did she kill him or assist his suicide
Exactly, why did she say she had killed someone, especially to Billy? Why not tell him the same as she told Emma . Les looked sheepish about it all. Must be more to come.
so sonia keeps the charity money for what, a boob job, lipo, face lift
I must say I'm shocked at Sonia's behaviour! I thought she was a goody two shoes. :eek:
still none the wiser about pam it sounds like her son was older when he died but did she kill him or assist his suicide
Exactly, why did she say she had killed someone, especially to Billy? Why not tell him the same as she told Emma . Les looked sheepish about it all. Must be more to come.
Reading between the lines, I think that Pam did assist her son's suicide although she denied it to Emma. It seems to me the only explanation for saying she killed someone (unless there's another twist to come in the story).
how has wheels (sorry cant think of her name) got terry's flat key wouldn't the landlord get that back
It's Donna! :D
She was quite friendly with Terry, but I agree it's a bit of a stretch.
tammyy2j
14-11-2014, 15:31
Did Billy not follow up and ask Pam and Les more information after she blurted out she killed someone to him?
Did Billy not follow up and ask Pam and Les more information after she blurted out she killed someone to him?
It's likely he did but we weren't shown or told what happened next.
lee was in a very fighting mood with ben
so is this mick's dad, jacko
lee was in a very fighting mood with ben
so is this mick's dad, jacko
Goods episode last night.
Riveting scene between Shirley and Mick when they were talking about his birth. They've got a very intense chemistry which makes the storyline (which I hated at first) compelling.
So Shirley's got a new love interest? People are speculating that he's
Mick's real dad (and possibly Dean's too).
What did Lee do to Nancy? Whatever it was I blinked and missed it. It seems that Lee's hiding something.
Ben deserved that pasting for the way he spoke to Johnny. :angry:
I feel sorry for poor, deluded Abi. She'd deserve a lot better than Ben even if he were really straight.
lee hit nancy with his elbow when she was breaking his fight with ben up
monalisa62003
21-11-2014, 00:49
Not happy with this buster retcon. So shirl loves buster more than she ever did phil does she? she's waited for buster all this time. she was just playing an act for phil? so shes no worse than him really. why make out she was so innocent and heartbroken if she didnt truly love him. she even told phil his name was andy and she hadn't seen him since she was a kid. Either she lied or they've changed it since that aired. Why would she lie to phil? doesn't make sense
Nevermind that but shirl cheated on Kevin with buster and buster knows hes dean's dad ? he must have left shirley pregnant both times then. it cant be a coincidence he left her both times
monalisa62003
21-11-2014, 00:49
Not happy with this buster retcon. So shirl loves buster more than she ever did phil does she? she's waited for buster all this time. she was just playing an act for phil? so shes no worse than him really. why make out she was so innocent and heartbroken if she didnt truly love him. she even told phil his name was andy and she hadn't seen him since she was a kid. Either she lied or they've changed it since that aired. Why would she lie to phil? doesn't make sense. For the people that say phil ruined shirleys character, it seems he had nothing to ruin if she never loved him that much anyway. she set out to cause her own misery
Nevermind that but shirl cheated on Kevin with buster and buster knows hes dean's dad ? he must have left shirley pregnant both times then. it cant be a coincidence he left her both times
Not happy with this buster retcon. So shirl loves buster more than she ever did phil does she? she's waited for buster all this time. she was just playing an act for phil? so shes no worse than him really. why make out she was so innocent and heartbroken if she didnt truly love him. she even told phil his name was andy and she hadn't seen him since she was a kid. Either she lied or they've changed it since that aired. Why would she lie to phil? doesn't make sense
Nevermind that but shirl cheated on Kevin with buster and buster knows hes dean's dad ? he must have left shirley pregnant both times then. it cant be a coincidence he left her both times
Has it been said that Shirley loves Buster? She probably does love him, or has in the past, but why does that have anything to do with her feelings for Phil? Most of us fall in love with several people in our lifetimes and those feelings can re-emerge upon meeting a former loved-one again.
I'm guessing that Buster probably is Andy, and that we're being kept guessing by only being told his nickname. He and Shirley were hanging out together the year before Mick was born so it's possible (even probable) that he's Mick's dad. He seemed very surprised when Dean accused him of being his dad, so it's possible Shirley didn't tell him that Kevin wasn't the father. We'll find out later whether Dean's got it right.
I don't feel this is a retcon as we know little of Shirley's life before she came to Albert Square.
I enjoyed seeing Shirley back and not moping after Phil.
Good scene between Linda and Lee last night. It's about time the latter's character was given some depth.
tammyy2j
21-11-2014, 13:31
I think Buster is Mick's dad not Dean's
I don't think Shirley loves him she is just reconnecting with him as presumably he lives around where the family caravan was and he knew Stan and Tina so must have grown up near them
monalisa62003
22-11-2014, 00:10
Has it been said that Shirley loves Buster? She probably does love him, or has in the past, but why does that have anything to do with her feelings for Phil? Most of us fall in love with several people in our lifetimes and those feelings can re-emerge upon meeting a former loved-one again.
I'm guessing that Buster probably is Andy, and that we're being kept guessing by only being told his nickname. He and Shirley were hanging out together the year before Mick was born so it's possible (even probable) that he's Mick's dad. He seemed very surprised when Dean accused him of being his dad, so it's possible Shirley didn't tell him that Kevin wasn't the father. We'll find out later whether Dean's got it right.
I don't feel this is a retcon as we know little of Shirley's life before she came to Albert Square.
I enjoyed seeing Shirley back and not moping after Phil.
Good scene between Linda and Lee last night. It's about time the latter's character was given some depth.
if she truly loves buster / andy and never really loved phil as much as she made out, she is a hypocrite. she thought phil loved sharon more than her and hated it, but all that time she loved andy more than phil? only she made out she was heartbroken phil wouldnt pick her. if he did pick her and was with her, would she leave phil for andy?
its not just about before kevin now. as we've been told shirley cheated on kevin with andy.
I believe phil still loves shirley, he is just very hurt atm. When andy said he was the love of shirleys life, phil wanted to tell andy shirley shot him. Although i dont believe it was to split them up he was just very jealous. there was a look when dean said she shot him and then commenting on her running away again. if he didnt love her, why would he care that she was running away? surely that would be a blessing for him
I know im biased, i was never going to like andy. ive rooted for phil/shirley for years and i dont believe shirl loves andy more than phil either. she was in tears when phil was sent to prison. andy is to shirley like sharon is to phil. right for a while but not for life. phil would never speak to mick the way andy did even without knowing the son involvement. and did i hear andy call shirley a tart? not very nice
I've really enjoyed these past couple of episodes and am really liking Buster (or Andy as we now know he is).
I feel that the writers have done Shirley's character a great service by making Buster the father of two of her children. I hope he turns out to be Carly's father too. The thought of Shirley cheating on Kevin with numerous men (especially while he was at home looking after their disabled son) was really stomach turning. If it turns out it was just one man all along, that makes Shirley slightly more sympathetic in my eyes.
I don't see a problem with Shirley loving both Buster and Phil. She hasn't seen Buster for years, since he's been in prison, and fell for Phil in the meantime. Things went terribly wrong between her and Phil and she subsequently reconnected with Buster. That's bound to have churned up long hidden feelings.
tammyy2j
23-11-2014, 20:36
I was quite surprised how accepting so quick Dean was of Buster as his dad and that he was going off with him and Shirley, Kevin loved Dean as his own son even though he wasn't his biological dad
I would prefer if somehow Kevin was Dean and Carly's real dad
tammyy2j
23-11-2014, 20:36
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monalisa62003
23-11-2014, 21:51
My issue with shirley saying she loves andy, is that she said she has "always loved him" since she was a kid. Does this mean she now classes andy as the "love of her life" and she didnt truly love phil? so what was all that about wanting to be with him and for him to choose her over everyone else and risk loosing everything? why all the upset he couldnt choose her over ben/sharon. it wasnt just the affair. shes been talking about him loving sharon for years and that he didnt love her. now it turns out she was never that bothered and just waiting for andy.
I wanted shirl to be with another bloke, but not one she had loved since she was a kid and made out she loved him more than phil.
I dont like shirl around andy, she doesnt stand up to him and lets him call her names. She'd have slapped phil for the way andy talked to her and mick
I was quite surprised how accepting so quick Dean was of Buster as his dad and that he was going off with him and Shirley, Kevin loved Dean as his own son even though he wasn't his biological dad
Most people who don't know one or both of their parents want to find them. People seem to have a need to find out where they come from. That doesn't mean that they love their adoptive or step parents any less, or that they'll forget them.
It's been made clear many times that Dean loved Kevin and I don't see why that would have to change even if he develops a relationship with Andy and even grows to love him too.
Dean's very needy where Shirley's concerned, despite his antipathy towards her. So I feel it's in character that he would cling on to another parent. He did get over the shock very quickly though!
My issue with shirley saying she loves andy, is that she said she has "always loved him" since she was a kid. Does this mean she now classes andy as the "love of her life" and she didnt truly love phil? so what was all that about wanting to be with him and for him to choose her over everyone else and risk loosing everything? why all the upset he couldnt choose her over ben/sharon. it wasnt just the affair. shes been talking about him loving sharon for years and that he didnt love her. now it turns out she was never that bothered and just waiting for andy.
I wanted shirl to be with another bloke, but not one she had loved since she was a kid and made out she loved him more than phil.
I dont like shirl around andy, she doesnt stand up to him and lets him call her names. She'd have slapped phil for the way andy talked to her and mick
I saw a comment elsewhere that Shirley and Buster may have a similar relationship to Pat and Frank, or David and Carol. They love others, but always gravitate back to each other in the end.
I don't think Phil and Shirley's history is being re-written. Shirley obviously did feel that strongly for Phil or she wouldn't have shot him. It's just that their relationship came to an end, and a very bitter end at that. Phil and Shirley were toxic together and they both knew it. They both seem to want to move on and I applaud that as their relationship wasn't much fun to watch. To me, the only part that's unbelievable is how soon Shirley's moved on - but that's par for the course in soaps so I can accept it.
There was very obvious affection between Shirley and Buster, and she actually had a smile on her face when she was with him which was a pleasure to witness. He didn't come across as disrespectful towards her (unlike Phil does). There was an easy banter between them which showed how well they know each other.
It's best to try not to take it all too seriously, Mona. It's someone else's story and we viewers are just along for the ride. The writers devise the story that makes sense to them and they can't please everyone unfortunately. Maybe it'll make more sense to you when we've heard more of what Shirley's got to say about it all.
monalisa62003
24-11-2014, 16:19
Most people who don't know one or both of their parents want to find them. People seem to have a need to find out where they come from. That doesn't mean that they love their adoptive or step parents any less, or that they'll forget them.
It's been made clear many times that Dean loved Kevin and I don't see why that would have to change even if he develops a relationship with Andy and even grows to love him too.
Dean's very needy where Shirley's concerned, despite his antipathy towards her. So I feel it's in character that he would cling on to another parent. He did get over the shock very quickly though!
I saw a comment elsewhere that Shirley and Buster may have a similar relationship to Pat and Frank, or David and Carol. They love others, but always gravitate back to each other in the end.
I don't think Phil and Shirley's history is being re-written. Shirley obviously did feel that strongly for Phil or she wouldn't have shot him. It's just that their relationship came to an end, and a very bitter end at that. Phil and Shirley were toxic together and they both knew it. They both seem to want to move on and I applaud that as their relationship wasn't much fun to watch. To me, the only part that's unbelievable is how soon Shirley's moved on - but that's par for the course in soaps so I can accept it.
There was very obvious affection between Shirley and Buster, and she actually had a smile on her face when she was with him which was a pleasure to witness. He didn't come across as disrespectful towards her (unlike Phil does). There was an easy banter between them which showed how well they know each other.
It's best to try not to take it all too seriously, Mona. It's someone else's story and we viewers are just along for the ride. The writers devise the story that makes sense to them and they can't please everyone unfortunately. Maybe it'll make more sense to you when we've heard more of what Shirley's got to say about it all.
I dont believe for a second andy is the love of shirls life or theyre over each other. Phils miserable with sharon and shirls just deluding herself shes over him she was in tears when phil went to prison but wasnt like that when andy left
Are you referring to their reecent affair as i agree that wasnt fun, but i loved them when they was together. I found them adorable and they were hilarious together. I really miss their banter. They did have fun together they went out and had a laugh. People forget this. Not only were they fun but they were very complex and interesting they never got boring and always had diff stories not just boring affair ones
Sorry but anyone who calls shirl a silly tart isnt on. If phil called her that i can garuntee people would say he was wrong for her
I think phil and shirl have more scenes coming up which is another reason why i dont believe theyre over, the preview is very telling that phil went back on his word and was disloyal to sharon
I think phil and shirl have more scenes coming up which is another reason why i dont believe theyre over, the preview is very telling that phil went back on his word and was disloyal to sharon
Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.
Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona. :)
monalisa62003
24-11-2014, 19:25
Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.
Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona. :)
ive seen people say shirl would have cheated on phil with andy. im sorry but i find this completely insane. shirley hated the thought of phil loving another woman more than her or cheating on her. why would she cheat on him and be a hypocrite? people are making her out to be nasty and cruel
monalisa62003
24-11-2014, 19:25
Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.
Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona. :)
ive seen people say shirl would have cheated on phil with andy. im sorry but i find this completely insane. shirley hated the thought of phil loving another woman more than her or cheating on her. why would she cheat on him and be a hypocrite? people are making her out to be nasty and cruel
tonights ep proves for me andy is just in the moment and not real love. shirl wanted to get away from phil, that was a big plus for leaving. knew it didnt make any sense for andy to be her true love
we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps
i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke
i don't think shirley really loves buster
paddy's allotment when was that last used
we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps
i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke
i don't think shirley really loves buster
paddy's allotment when was that last used
monalisa62003
25-11-2014, 04:08
we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps
i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke
i don't think shirley really loves buster
paddy's allotment when was that last usedexactly i think shirley is in love with the idea of andy, similar to the way phil is in love with the idea of sharon.
If andys extension in prison is on top of what he already had, how longer is he in prison for? Was he out on license ?
monalisa62003
25-11-2014, 04:08
we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps
i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke
i don't think shirley really loves buster
paddy's allotment when was that last usedexactly i think shirley is in love with the idea of andy, similar to the way phil is in love with the idea of sharon.
If andys extension in prison is on top of what he already had, how longer is he in prison for? Was he out on license ?
tammyy2j
25-11-2014, 17:03
I think Phil has treated Shirley so badly she should move on completely from him
monalisa62003
25-11-2014, 17:17
I think Phil has treated Shirley so badly she should move on completely from him
I dont believe he set out to hurt shirl he really did want to be with her but ben came back and things went wrong. Phil was very caring in fridays scene which he didnt need to be even you could tell phil was still hurt deep down, he doesnt usiaoly act like that.
Dont think shirls moved on, she only wanted to get away cos of phil
monalisa62003
25-11-2014, 17:17
I think Phil has treated Shirley so badly she should move on completely from him
I dont believe he set out to hurt shirl he really did want to be with her but ben came back and things went wrong. Phil was very caring in fridays scene which he didnt need to be even you could tell phil was still hurt deep down, he doesnt usually act like that.
Dont think shirls moved on, she only wanted to get away cos of phil
new headed bobby is a talker and seems like a mini sherlock trying to solve lucy's murder :p
dot and nick were funny over their cigs
new headed bobby is a talker and seems like a mini sherlock trying to solve lucy's murder :p
dot and nick were funny over their cigs
I think Phil has treated Shirley so badly she should move on completely from him
Thank you Tammy!! A sensible comment on the subject at last! :p :D
But seriously, there's no way I'm ever going to believe Shirley and Phil are some great, romantic love story. Their totally dysfunctional relationship is not an equal partnership but one about Phil's dominance over Shirley. She's a very pathetic individual when she's chasing after him so desperately. Why would anyone want to see a favourite character brought so low?
dot and nick were funny over their cigs
I was laughing so hard at that. Dot and Nick are quite the double act! :D
It's good to see Jane back with a recast Bobby.
The Denise and Patrick drama was really poignant and very well acted. I did think that Shabnam would blackmail Denise into accepting help in return for not grassing on her. A bit of a missed opportunity there I think! It's Denise who's too proud to accept help, not Patrick.
By the way, did anyone notice the unusual cleanliness of those supposedly just dug up potatoes? It was as if they'd just come from the supermarket...
tammyy2j
26-11-2014, 13:43
Anyone else think Denise was maybe going to hurt Patrick and we would have an elder abuse storyline like in Emmerdale with Ashley and his dad
Anyone else think Denise was maybe going to hurt Patrick and we would have an elder abuse storyline like in Emmerdale with Ashley and his dad
She did look like she was about to lose it at one point. I'm not sure she'd go as far as to actually hurt him though. I feel sorry for both of them. :(
tammyy2j
26-11-2014, 14:06
She did look like she was about to lose it at one point. I'm not sure she'd go as far as to actually hurt him though. I feel sorry for both of them. :(
Denise needs help, good when she will have Kim back
I like that Shabham is helping her too and I think maybe Denise and Mas could get together down the line
tammyy2j
26-11-2014, 14:06
I really don't want Jane back with Ian, she is too good for him
Nice scene between Phil and Jane. I always enjoy it when we get the occasional glimpse of a more sympathetic side of Phil. He'll be getting a reputation as the Wise Man of Walford if he's not careful! :ninja:
I really don't know what got into Denise running around the square with Lucy's phone etc. Any remaining evidence isn't going to last long at that rate.
so ian just believes ben (who killed heather)
monalisa62003
29-11-2014, 02:33
Thank you Tammy!! A sensible comment on the subject at last! :p :D
But seriously, there's no way I'm ever going to believe Shirley and Phil are some great, romantic love story. Their totally dysfunctional relationship is not an equal partnership but one about Phil's dominance over Shirley. She's a very pathetic individual when she's chasing after him so desperately. Why would anyone want to see a favourite character brought so low?
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I believe in phil & shirley far more than i do phil & sharon / shirley & andy. Phil doesnt send thugs to scare shirley and lies to her about it. he struggles lying to her he could barely do the speech sharon wanted him to do. He hardly ever slags shirley off behind her back it was only over the wedding stuff he did then he went back on his word to sharon by apologising to her so he clearly doesnt hate her.
I never wanted phil to treat shirley bad. Why would i want that? I want him to come to his senses and realize how much she means to him. I want him to treat her right, be nice to her and show how much he cares. My favourite scenes of them is when he is being genuinely caring (heart to heart in june for example) i hate it when he is mean to her. I dont undrerstand why he has to be so nasty to her, maybe its his way of coping? he cant be with her so he is nasty to her instead. he was like this in 2008 and over the heather stuff. When he proposed the first thing he was doing was being mean about/to shirley. There was absolutely no need as she did NOTHING wrong. not at first anyway
When shirley asked him if she was wrong that he picked her. He couldnt tell her she was wrong. Why couldnt he say it then?
(Have you ever seen him smile the way he did with shirley in the stripping scene? theres a similar smile coming up regarding her aswell)
( i realize they have no scenes atm but ive only just seen this post)
parkerman
29-11-2014, 09:59
so ian just believes ben (who killed heather)
I don't think he does entirely. Did he not say to Jane, after the police went, "Do you believe him?" and looked very troubled.
parkerman
29-11-2014, 09:59
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xx_Dan_xx
29-11-2014, 14:07
I don't believe Ben did it.
parkerman
29-11-2014, 14:54
Me neither. I think it was Dot.
xx_Dan_xx
29-11-2014, 15:33
You'd think that whoever killed her would be different in character, feeling guilty or edgy, but apart from Ben and Jay, no-one else looks dodgy about it.
monalisa62003
29-11-2014, 15:53
You'd think that whoever killed her would be different in character, feeling guilty or edgy, but apart from Ben and Jay, no-one else looks dodgy about it.
I dont think the killer knows they killed her.
monalisa62003
29-11-2014, 15:53
You'd think that whoever killed her would be different in character, feeling guilty or edgy, but apart from Ben and Jay, no-one else looks dodgy about it.
I dont think the killer knows they killed her.
xx_Dan_xx
29-11-2014, 22:51
I dont think the killer knows they killed her.
I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.
xx_Dan_xx
29-11-2014, 22:51
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monalisa62003
29-11-2014, 23:28
I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.
yeah thats what i mean. i think whoever killed her it was an accident which is why they dont know. they probably know they had an issue with her or done something but dont think that it killed her or was serious enough
monalisa62003
29-11-2014, 23:28
I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.
yeah thats what i mean. i think whoever killed her it was an accident which is why they dont know. they probably know they had an issue with her or done something but dont think that it killed her or was serious enough
I never wanted phil to treat shirley bad. Why would i want that?
Sorry, I wasn't implying that you want Phil to be abusive to Shirley. I meant that since it's apparent that Phil can't treat her with respect anymore (except for the very rare occasion), why would a Shirley fan want her to be with him? You've answered that now.
Me neither. I think it was Dot.
It's always the one we least suspect...
You'd think that whoever killed her would be different in character, feeling guilty or edgy, but apart from Ben and Jay, no-one else looks dodgy about it.
That isn't true though - many of the characters are taking turns at being made to look shifty and suspicious to alert us viewers to the possible suspects. They've been shown looking guilty in private. Nearly all of them have proved to have lied or be hiding something relevant to the case. It just happens to be Ben and Jay's turn at the moment. There was Abi nearly drowning Lauren, Lee being proved to have a violent temper, etc.
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the writers were at it again in Friday's episode by making Denise look guilty. She said something along the lines that Lucy was a total cow, and she also went for Ian at one point and had to be restrained (by Masood I think). The writers were showing us that Denise didn't like Lucy and is capable of violence, and is therefore a suspect.
I dont think the killer knows they killed her.
I'll be disappointed if it turns out that's the case. Forensics are usually good enough to pick up the difference between a deliberate blow and an accidental one. For instance, I've seen the theory several times that Lucy's fall in the car lot may have ended up causing her death, but the post mortem should be able to tell that injury was caused by a fall and that it happened hours before her death. If there was any doubt the police would have informed Ian. There'd better be a damn good explanation if it transpires that Lucy's killer is unaware of their guilt.
There's also the small matter of the body being moved after death.
To me, it looked like Ian was buying time by lying to the police because he was undecided what to do next.
monalisa62003
30-11-2014, 18:32
Sorry, I wasn't implying that you want Phil to be abusive to Shirley. I meant that since it's apparent that Phil can't treat her with respect anymore (except for the very rare occasion), why would a Shirley fan want her to be with him? You've answered that now.
It's always the one we least suspect...
That isn't true though - many of the characters are taking turns at being made to look shifty and suspicious to alert us viewers to the possible suspects. They've been shown looking guilty in private. Nearly all of them have proved to have lied or be hiding something relevant to the case. It just happens to be Ben and Jay's turn at the moment. There was Abi nearly drowning Lauren, Lee being proved to have a violent temper, etc.
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the writers were at it again in Fridays episode by making Denise look guilty. She said something along the lines that Lucy was a total cow, and she also went for Ian at one point and had to be restrained (by Masood I think). The writers were showing us that Denise didn't like Lucy and is capable of violence, and is therefore a suspect.
I'll be disappointed if it turns out that's the case. Forensics are usually good enough to pick up the difference between a deliberate blow and an accidental one. For instance, I've seen the theory several times that Lucy's fall in the car lot may have ended up causing her death, but the post mortem would easily be able to differentiate between a non-fatal wound and a fatal one. If there was any doubt the police would have informed Ian. There'd better be a damn good explanation if it transpires that Lucy's killer is unaware of their guilt.
There's also the small matter of the body being moved after death.
To me, it looked like Ian was buying time by lying to the police because he was undecided what to do next.
I think phil has it in him to treat shirley right. Certainly when they originally got together in march 2010 he was. There have been loads of times we've seen him genuine with her, its only when there is pressure on him that he treats her bad, if he accepted what shirley means to him then there would be fewer moments. Why is it he seems to treat sharon with respect even after everything shes done to him, shes not that special. He never seems to change when it comes to sharon and is always nice to her. Surely if you had deep love for someone youd have more range of emotion in day to day things, i dont find phil and sharon realistic.
At least phil has never called shirley a silly tart and been threatening to beat mick up (with or without knowing hes her son)
I think its perfectly reasonable the killer doesnt know they done it and their reaction when they find out will make for good storytelling rather than the usual killer on the loose story we already have with ben and to less extent stacey. We dont need another one of those
tammyy2j
30-11-2014, 19:19
Had Lucy two mobile phones?
Had Lucy two mobile phones?
Not to my knowledge.
I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)
monalisa62003
01-12-2014, 00:36
I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)
I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did
monalisa62003
01-12-2014, 00:36
I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)
I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had arift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did
tammyy2j
01-12-2014, 14:36
Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?
W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?
Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?
W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?
Di Keeble must have been aware that Lucy had her handbag with her when she left the square and whilst she was on the bus ,It's on cctv. I thought Ian was present when the footage was shown to the press so should have known or surely DI Keeble would have told him. . But as I think your saying why would Ian accept Ben's lies so easily if he thought otherwise ?
I don't recall anything being said about the cocaine . :hmm:
I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did
You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !
Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?
W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?
No, on both counts. :)
I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode as it sounds like there's going to be a good twist in the Lucy case:
Ian finds an unsent text on Lucy's phone (meaning that the police won't have seen it yet either).
From the spoilers, it could be very important to the case!
phil so happy and proud that ben is not gay and has a girlfriend in abi, well done phil mitchell dad of the year or the decade
ian and jane should have set phil straight pardon the pun when he burst in to ian's house
so who is Lucy's drug dealer, ian and jane recognised the name or number
phil so happy and proud that ben is not gay and has a girlfriend in abi, well done phil mitchell dad of the year or the decade
ian and jane should have set phil straight pardon the pun when he burst in to ian's house
so who is Lucy's drug dealer, ian and jane recognised the name or number
parkerman
01-12-2014, 23:38
I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did
I'm not quite clear what you are suggesting here. Is it that Lucy's death was an accident and not murder? As otherwise I don't see how the killer can just show remorse and not be prosecuted for murder or manslaughter at least.
parkerman
01-12-2014, 23:38
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monalisa62003
01-12-2014, 23:50
You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !
Dom said in the original article the killer might not know. Why would you want another ben or stacey on the show who was a cold murderer and will probably get sent down? if the murderer is someone who is staying in the show they need to show remorse and since they havent then i presume they don't know.
Aw its obvious jay still loves abi and theres a reason for the split more than him not wanting to go with her. He wouldnt have kicked off like that and been so nasty to abi if he didnt
monalisa62003
01-12-2014, 23:50
You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !
Dom said in the original article the killer might not know. Why would you want another ben or stacey on the show and will probably get sent down? if the murderer is someone who is staying in the show they need to show remorse and since they havent then i presume they don't know.
I'm not quite clear what you are suggesting here. Is it that Lucy's death was an accident and not murder? As otherwise I don't see how the killer can just show remorse and not be prosecuted for murder or manslaughter at least.
Yes i think it was an accident or something like related to drugs and something that went on before hand but the killer didnt realize what happened killed her. I definitely think when the killer realizes it will be obvious they didnt know and will be distraught..which i find more interesting than the killer having been on loose this whole time showing little remorse
none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her..
Dom also said its a WHAT killed lucy rather than WHO.
I think it can still be classed as a murder, as cant a murder still happen even without intent? ill be annoyed if the killer has known this whole time and shown little remorse and covered it up. i really dont want another killer covering up their crime, theres already been enough of them. adding pam to the list from her recent reveal aswell
the only one who would know and be as evil about it is IAN himself. and i just cant see him being the killer.
im so glad phil remembered ben is gay...glad the show didnt take us for idiots
Aw its obvious jay still loves abi and theres a reason for the split more than him not wanting to go with her. He wouldnt have kicked off like that and been so nasty to abi if he didnt
parkerman
02-12-2014, 09:11
none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.
I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.
xx_Dan_xx
02-12-2014, 11:18
I think it could be Peter. We know he gets into drugs soon maybe he has his stash already. I don't know.
tammyy2j
02-12-2014, 13:47
I think they should have a filmed a few culprits as Lucy's killer and showed the viewers straight away the killer not wait a year for the big reveal
No one is showing any guilt or remorse though Jay is jumpy but I don't think he is her killer
tammyy2j
02-12-2014, 13:47
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monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 15:17
I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.
Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 15:17
I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.
Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
tammyy2j
02-12-2014, 15:34
Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
Unless Ian is the killer
parkerman
02-12-2014, 15:57
Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
You may well be right about them being too obvious but I was just responding to your statement that "none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.." and answering your question that there are several who would do that.
parkerman
02-12-2014, 15:57
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Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.
Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.
Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.
I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.
monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 16:08
You may well be right about them being too obvious but I was just responding to your statement that "none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.." and answering your question that there are several who would do that.Yeah i know, i just dont think any of them are evil enough besides ben and nick who i dont think killed her, i think ben moved her and stole her purse/phone
monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 16:09
There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.
Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.
Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.
I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.
Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.
monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 16:09
There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.
Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.
Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.
I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.
Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.
Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.
She isn't evil, true, but she might be very scared at the thought of prison, especially given her history of being a victim of abuse. I'm not saying I think Whitney's the killer, just that I'm not ruling anyone out.
Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it
Well Ian's track record on his quest for justice for Lucy isn't so good so far, lied to the police giving a false alibi for the night of the murder, and now willing to withhold evidence which might be important to the enquiry. Ian doesn't know otherwise or does he ? Also it may only be the viewers who get to know who the killer is next Feb ,EE quite capable of continuing to draw out the storyline for further months imo.
Sorry Dazzle, only just seen ,I've duplicated some of the points' you've already made.
Sorry Dazzle, only just seen ,I've duplicated some of the points' you've already made.
Great minds... :D
About this issue of looking guilty. To use Whitney as an example again, she looked very shifty and guilty for a few episodes when the focus was on her around the time Tamwar found her note, but has since been acting as normal.
However, we had absolutely no indication from Stacey's behaviour that she was guilty of Archie's murder, so I don't think we can conclude that lack of guilt in everyday episodes signifies innocence in Eastenders.
monalisa62003
02-12-2014, 16:45
Great minds... :D
About this issue of looking guilty. To use Whitney as an example again, she looked very shifty and guilty for a few episodes when the focus was on her around the time Tamwar found her note, but has since been acting as normal.
However, we had absolutely no indication from Stacey's behaviour that she was guilty of Archie's murder, so I don't think we can conclude that lack of guilt in everyday episodes signifies innocence in Eastenders.
Thats cos archie raped her, she had no reason to feel guilty
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