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What was the point of Mick mistaking Tanya for Linda in Danny's only live scene (at least I think it was his only live scene tonight), why would Linda be sitting down for tea with Max
I wondered about the Mick/Tanya scene too. It seemed odd to say the least.
xx_Dan_xx
19-02-2015, 22:47
The actor hasn't been in any of the live inserts so far so I don't know if he'll be in the fully live episode tomorrow. I think it's too much pressure for a young child. Maybe Jane sends him up to bed straight after (and possibly enlists Cindy's help?).
Do you think its possible that Jane may of even told him that he didn't kill her but rather it was her afterwards?
If it was my kid that did it - in the manner that it had happened - I may of told them I finished them off later as to not burden them with guilt.
Do you think its possible that Jane may of even told him that he didn't kill her but rather it was her afterwards?
If it was my kid that did it - in the manner that it had happened - I may of told them I finished them off later as to not burden them with guilt.
I think that's quite possible. Although since Bobby looked so deliciously evil when Jane found him I'm wondering just how much guilt he'd have suffered.
He was found at the place Lucy's body was dumped when he ran away so he must have had some feelings about the whole thing, but just how deeply do they run?
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 22:53
Bobby will probably admit it tomorrow. He wasn't exactly a real regular character - so perhaps the next few weeks of catch up was simply - amongst the cast - Bobby was told he didn't have any parts as Bobby isn't exactly in every episode nor forms a integral part. So that is how its dealt with immediately rather than playing catch up.
Jane may not tell Ian the full truth, take the blame for Bobby, cant wait now for tomorrow night's full live episode
There's going to be interesting times ahead for Ian and Jane. How are they going to deal with a possible emerging psychopath? (I hope I haven't got the wrong end of the stick about that! :o). Mind you, Lucy herself could be pretty evil at times (especially when she was played by Melissa Suffield) so it's not really such a surprise that Bobby has those tendencies thinking about it.
I hope he doesn't get into torturing animals!! :eek:
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 22:58
#FreeTheWalfordOneDot
From what I'm reading elsewhere lots of people think it was an accident (ie Bobby didn't mean to hurt Lucy). I got the distinct impression he hurt her deliberately (and even possibly enjoyed doing it :eek:), which also fits in with Emma saying "But it's still murder". What do others on this forum think? Did I interpret the scene correctly?
I guess we'll find out for sure tomorrow.
By the way, I've said several times this evening that Bobby hasn't been in any live scenes but that's patently untrue. He was in the very final live scene in the flashback episode. Oops! :o
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 23:14
From what I'm reading elsewhere lots of people think it was an accident (ie Bobby didn't mean to hurt Lucy but just lashed out in a fit of temper). I got the distinct impression he hurt her deliberately (and even possibly enjoyed doing it :eek:), which also fits in with Emma saying "But it's still murder". What do others on this forum think? Did I interpret the scene correctly?
I guess we'll find out for sure tomorrow.
By the way, I've said several times this evening that Bobby hasn't been in any live scenes but that's patently untrue. He was in the very final live scene in the flashback episode. Oops! :o
I think he meant to kill her, his little evil look with the jewellery box was scary
What was the story between Billy and Lucy, did they sleep together in the past?
I think he meant to kill her, his little evil look with the jewellery box was scary
I hope that it was deliberate (whether he intended to kill her or just harm her). There's far more dramatic potential that way - not just for the Lucy storyline but for years to come.
flappinfanny
19-02-2015, 23:20
i am sorry for swearing, but ****ing bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what has dtc done! kathy back, big mistake, have they learned nothing! dtc could go down in history as putting the first nail in eastenders coffin.
i said if they brought kathy back, that was me done and after tomorrow, i won't watch again.
i am sorry for swearing, but ****ing bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what has dtc done! kathy back, big mistake, have they learned nothing! dtc could go down in history as putting the first nail in eastenders coffin.
i said if they brought kathy back, that was me done and after tomorrow, i won't watch again.
I hope you change your mind! :)
I'm pretty sure this week's already been deemed a big success, even if lots are disappointed by the Bobby reveal. As for Kathy, most fans elsewhere seem thrilled about it (I'm undecided at the moment).
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 23:33
I wonder did Max (he was going over to the Beale house) or Massod help Jane move Lucy's body to the Common and did Bobby go along for the spin
parkerman
19-02-2015, 23:38
Great episode. Winston was in at least half a dozen scenes. Now that's what you call an episode!
Great episode. Winston was in at least half a dozen scenes. Now that's what you call an episode!
DTC included Winston just to keep you happy Parkerman! :D
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 23:51
Great episode. Winston was in at least half a dozen scenes. Now that's what you call an episode!
MVP of this week was Winston closely followed by Tracy :p
tammyy2j
19-02-2015, 23:57
The flashback episode should have been a hour there is more we the viewers need to see
The flashback episode should have been a hour there is more we the viewers need to see
Hopefully the rest will be revealed tomorrow.
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 00:10
Hopefully the rest will be revealed tomorrow.
I have much more questions now :p
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 00:10
Were Kat's drunk scenes live too?
I have much more questions now :p
I want to find out how Emma and Lauren put it all together and what the numbers on the torn piece of paper meant. I assume we'll be told at some point (maybe Peter will be able to explain tomorrow).
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 00:12
I want to find out how Emma and Lauren put it all together and what the numbers on the torn piece of paper meant. I assume we'll be told at some point (maybe Peter will be able to explain tomorrow).
Oh yes how did Emma crack the case, another flashback episode needed :p
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 00:12
Kush panicking over dead Nick was funny too
parkerman
20-02-2015, 00:17
Yes, there are still lots of loose ends to tie up with regard to Emma's reasoning.
flappinfanny
20-02-2015, 00:39
Dominic Treadwell Collins from hero to zero! Julia Smith will be spinning in her grave!
Apparently Dominic Treadwell-Collins has mentioned the film "We need to talk about Kevin" on Facebook since the Bobby reveal. If anyone's seen that film, the son, Kevin, is an extremely disturbed and nasty piece of work. I didn't actually watch the entire film because I found it so disturbing.
I'm glad I interpreted the final scene correctly and I'm looking forward to how the Beale family deal with this nightmare. The Beale family has changed forever.
Dominic Treadwell Collins from hero to zero! Julia Smith will be spinning in her grave!
A little on the dramatic side perhaps? :p
billy perving on lucy always the loser now a pervy loser some many no sense stories
parkerman
20-02-2015, 08:32
With regard to Dot and Nick..was the body not removed before the police got there? Supposing they are just taking Dot in for wasting police time and not for murder?
xx_Dan_xx
20-02-2015, 08:56
With regard to Dot and Nick..was the body not removed before the police got there? Supposing they are just taking Dot in for wasting police time and not for murder?
I think they planned to move it but never did as they were going to wait a few hours. There was a massive party on the other side of the street after all.
xx_Dan_xx
20-02-2015, 08:56
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maidmarian
20-02-2015, 09:12
Ive started to wonder if it was plannrd more
as a " Who could Bobby have murdered" rather
than a " Who killed Lucy"storyline.
30 yrs is a big anniversary -so needed big story.
ALL the soaps copy and escalate stories the
others have done.
At the moment -there are stories about
early teens/chikdren with big problems
ED- 14-Belle has schizophrenia has killed once
(accidentally) and feels under orders to.do
so again
Corrie Faye 12- secretly pregnant- family issues.
Apart from under 5s-not a lot of children younger
than Faye. Cant imagine them using say Tiffany
so if its Bobby not many characters he could
kill realistically .But Lucy isnt very nice
has affected his life and is quite frail!
Its a bold move-but children do kill sometimes!
Anyway whatever the reasoning -I hope they
tie up the loose ends and await with interest
how they develop the next stage of story.
Eg will Jane take blame or truth come out
and if so how will that be dealt with.(mental
health issues)
maidmarian
20-02-2015, 09:12
Dupl
billy perving on lucy always the loser now a pervy loser
We still don't know why Billy had the photos.
Ive started to wonder if it was plannrd more
as a \\\" Who could Bobby have murdered\\\\" rather
than a \\\" Who killed Lucy \\\"storyline.
DTC always planned to kill off Lucy. This is a quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_Lucy_Beale%3F): "Following the reveal, the executive producer said that the storyline is the "start of a bigger story". He also mentioned that the original killer was Jane Beale and then Cindy Williams, but stated his reason for the change: "There was one other suspect for about a day, but then it didn't feel right. We always said that this story had to come from the heart, and with this, it's the start of a whole big new story for the Beales."
We still don't know why Billy had the photos.
DTC always planned to kill off Lucy. This is a quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_Lucy_Beale%3F): \"Following the reveal, the executive producer said that the storyline is the \"start of a bigger story\". He also mentioned that the original killer was Jane Beale and then Cindy Williams, but stated his reason for the change: \"There was one other suspect for about a day, but then it didn't feel right. We always said that this story had to come from the heart, and with this, it's the start of a whole big new story for the Beales.\"
who will bobby kill next making him a serial killer
We still don't know why Billy had the photos.
DTC always planned to kill off Lucy. This is a quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_Lucy_Beale%3F): \"Following the reveal, the executive producer said that the storyline is the \"start of a bigger story\". He also mentioned that the original killer was Jane Beale and then Cindy Williams, but stated his reason for the change: \"There was one other suspect for about a day, but then it didn't feel right. We always said that this story had to come from the heart, and with this, it's the start of a whole big new story for the Beales.\"
who will bobby kill next making him a serial killer
who will bobby kill next making him a serial killer
The Beale's are certainly going to have their hands full!
parkerman
20-02-2015, 14:31
We still don't know why Billy had the photos.
I thought it was to show he was "perving" over her.
I thought it was to show he was "perving" over her.
Yeah maybe you and Liz are right about that. He did say something a bit pervy to her outside the chippy now I think of it. What was it he said again?
there was a lot of wasted pointless scenes this week
The scenes in Dot's living room with everyone conspiring to hide Nick's death were very tense. I'm sorry they didn't go through with that because it would have made a good storyline waiting for who was going to crack first.
I can't see Dot doing any prison time under the circumstances.
Tonight should be another great episode. Perfect casting for the role of Bobby, so credible. I think that was the most memorable episode for a very long time. Still some parts of the story need answers .
Poor Dot, the expression on her face in the Police car so forlorn, priceless. Kim giving birth in a skin tight skirt , only she could carry that off.
The Kat drunk scenes didn't work for me , out of place with everything else going on imo. See Ian has started
the hand scratching again , mental breakdown in the pipeline maybe.
The Kat drunk scenes didn't work for me , out of place with everything else going on imo.
I agree, and there's something I don't understand about Kat's behaviour this week. She's acting as though she's really traumatised (and who can blame her after all she's been through?) but she agreed to go to the wedding with Alfie, so I thought she'd begun to forgive him and come to terms with his arson. She appeared to be more at peace last week so I don't understand what's changed.
I don't blame her if she hasn't forgiven Alfie as I never would in her situation, but the contradiction doesn't make sense to me.
(I know being offered Harry's money's brought up a lot of feelings recently too.)
See Ian has started the hand scratching again , mental breakdown in the pipeline maybe.
Well spotted! I'll be looking out for that in tonight's episode.
Yeah maybe you and Liz are right about that. He did say something a bit pervy to her outside the chippy now I think of it. What was it he said again?
As Lucy left the shop and told Billy she was telling her dad , he grabbed her arm and said "Come on Lucy I thought we" she said " what" Billy gave her the perv look Lucy replies " NO " and shakes her head in disgust.
As Lucy left the shop and told Billy she was telling her dad , he grabbed her arm and said "Come on Lucy I thought we" she said " what" Billy gave her the perv look Lucy replies " NO " and shakes her head in disgust.
Thanks Glen. It looks like Billy's photos were him perving on Lucy then. I didn't make the connection last night for some reason. :searchme:
parkerman
20-02-2015, 16:03
I thought it was to show he was "perving" over her.
Sorry to quote myself, but I just wanted to add that though I'm sure that was the point of having the photos, what I'm not sure about is what the point of it is in the overall context of the story.
Sorry to quote myself, but I just wanted to add that though I'm sure that was the point of having the photos, what I'm not sure about is what the point of it is in the overall context of the story.
I think it was just a plot device so we'd suspect Billy of being the killer (unless more comes to light).
Maybe Billy "dies" and will be forgotten about but in 10 years he will come back from the dead and people will recognise him from those pictures
I did think Grant and Phil were back and burst into the Vic - then I realised it was Kay in her dress!!!!!
parkerman
20-02-2015, 17:14
Kat
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 17:27
I don't like this storyline of Billy lusting after Lucy
I manage to watch EE only sporadic these days ... Billy has never struck me as pervy, where would this sudden change of character come from?
I manage to watch EE only sporadic these days ... Billy has never struck me as pervy, where would this sudden change of character come from?
That's why I called it a plot device as there appears to be no explanation for his behaviour other than it made him a suspect. If there's a genuine story behind it I can't wait to hear it. We may be reading it all wrong.
What a hugely emotional rollercoaster. The Beale's were brilliant, such long and intense scenes to do live. I'm amazed.
And Dean's dead! What's Mick done with the body?
What a twist to have that celebratory ending after all the emotion. Thoroughly enjoyable and lots of lovely touches such as showing Arthur's bench and the Tony and Julie graffiti.
Well done EE!! :cheer: :cheer:
Missed start of tonight's episode ... Dean is dead??? Guess it would fit the unexpected we were told would happen ... yeah, I like the idea that he is dead :o
Missed start of tonight's episode ... Dean is dead??? Guess it would fit the unexpected we were told would happen ... yeah, I like the idea that he is dead :o
Yeah Dean's definitely dead. Good riddance! :angry:
Mick's going to be a darker character from now on I think. The conversation he had with Ian in yesterday's episode about how killing someone would affect a person was foreshadowing of that.
Edit: I'm starting to question whether Dean's permanently dead since writing the above. We didn't see his lifeless body close up so and Mick didn't confirm that Dean's dead so I'm starting to wonder now.
did mick do off with dean? Sorry wasn't a fan of tonight though the acting was great
Did Mick do off with Dean?? Any chance of a translation into English? :)
Yes, it seems Mick did do off with Dean (but never say never).
It's a shame you didn't enjoy it Liz. :(
I think the episode's got a resounding thumbs up from most going by social media etc. People even seem to be coming around to Bobby as the killer! I'm glad it was made crystal clear that he hit Lucy deliberately.
I can understand Peter's point of view and why he's so angry. Ian realised in the end he would have reacted the same way Jane did.
I'm questioning whether Jane could really have moved the body on her own. Jane is tall and Lucy was very slight so they may just get away with that but she'd have struggled like hell and left evidence in reality.
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 21:45
First off wow, for a live episode that was great, the acting top notch especially from Adam, Laurie and Ben
I cant see Peter staying around with any of his family now could be why he leaves
I am confused did Dean move himself or did Mick move him and he is dead?
Also I was expecting Cindy to have helped Jane move Lucy, also was it Bobby who gave Beth the jewellery box and not Emma as was suspected?
I still cant see how Emma and Ian realised it was Jane still :o I am glad Ian twigged it wasn't Jane that she was covering for Bobby, also how did he :searchme:
Lucy Lou's note to her dad Ian was lovely (nice touch Lucy is called after Lou Beale)
I think I have more questions again now but well done Eastenders #EELive has got everyone taking about the show
Adam Woodyatt , to sustain that emotional intensity throughout a live tv performance , very special. Top drawer performance from the cast. All round what a week for EE. Looks like there should be good viewing to come. The Bobby Beale story appears set to continue into the future...:cheer:
I am confused did Dean move himself or did Mick move him and he is dead?
We're being led to believe Dean's dead by Mick's reaction (and that's what I thought at first) but now I'm beginning to question that assumption.
also was it Bobby who gave Beth the jewellery box and not Emma as was suspected?
The Beale's assumed that was the case but there's no proof at the moment. If Bobby did it he must know he killed Lucy - and let's face it he must be pretty stupid not to have put it all together (something I don't think he is). Kids of that age always take in far more than their parents realise. He appeared completely remorseless in the scene with Masood!
I still cant see how Emma and Ian realised it was Jane still :o I am glad Ian twigged it wasn't Jane that she was covering for Bobby, also how did he :searchme:
I think the main piece of evidence was that Jane's car wasn't where she said it was (Emma realised that from the video). It was all explained but I can't remember the details now.
Ian knows Jane very well and realised she was lying.
well done Eastenders #EELive has got everyone taking about the show
I'm so glad for the EE team that the anniversary's been such a success! :cheer:
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 22:16
Bobby just watching tv so normal with Massod despite being a little killer
What an outstanding performance from Adam woodyatt!! They were all great but he should definitely win best actor. I was fully against Bobby as the killer yesterday but think it wasn't such a bad idea after tonight's episode. The evidence Jane gave for emma was her car wasn't in the right place, the light was on in the house which didn't match the witness statement and Patrick falling in the Vic made her think Lucy fell and died at home. Well done EE ��
What an outstanding performance from Adam woodyatt!! They were all great but he should definitely win best actor. I was fully against Bobby as the killer yesterday but think it wasn't such a bad idea after tonight's episode. The evidence Jane gave for emma was her car wasn't in the right place, the light was on in the house which didn't match the witness statement and Patrick falling in the Vic made her think Lucy fell and died at home. Well done EE 😊
Agree Tammy and Dazzle , the explanation was skated over fairly rapidly, more time spent on whether Jane should have turned left or right at the junction when transporting the body.
Total speculation re Dean, whilst being interviewed in the after show event got the feeling might not be over yet..:hmm:
tammyy2j
20-02-2015, 22:46
What an outstanding performance from Adam woodyatt!! They were all great but he should definitely win best actor. I was fully against Bobby as the killer yesterday but think it wasn't such a bad idea after tonight's episode. The evidence Jane gave for emma was her car wasn't in the right place, the light was on in the house which didn't match the witness statement and Patrick falling in the Vic made her think Lucy fell and died at home. Well done EE ��
But Lucy did not die from a fall, she died from a blow to the back of her head from a 10 year old boy with a jewellery box :p
I understand Jane's car being missing but Jane wasn't a suspect ever by Emma or Keeble
I understand Jane's car being missing but Jane wasn't a suspect ever by Emma or Keeble
They were all suspects. The police always look at family first in cases like this because murders are usually carried out by someone close to the victim. Jane, like the rest of the family, probably would have been interviewed intensively even though we were never shown that happening.
Bobby just watching tv so normal with Massod despite being a little killer
That scene was totally unnecessary so I'm sure it was put in to show how unaffected Bobby is by Lucy's death.
But Lucy did not die from a fall, she died from a blow to the back of her head from a 10 year old boy with a jewellery box :p
I understand Jane's car being missing but Jane wasn't a suspect ever by Emma or Keeble
I was just repeating what was said in the episode I wasn't suggesting she died from a fall.
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
But Lucy did not die from a fall, she died from a blow to the back of her head from a 10 year old boy with a jewellery box :p
I understand Jane's car being missing but Jane wasn't a suspect ever by Emma or Keeble
I was just repeating what was said in the episode I wasn't suggesting she died from a fall.
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
Yes, Emma suspected Jane killed Lucy and Jane "confessed" that it was indeed her (which is why she was expecting an imminent visit from the police when Emma died). Jane didn't reveal Bobby's involvement to Emma, which is what I thought had happened (not that I knew she was covering for Bobby of course).
flappinfanny
21-02-2015, 00:00
Apparently Dominic Treadwell-Collins has mentioned the film "We need to talk about Kevin" on Facebook since the Bobby reveal. If anyone's seen that film, the son, Kevin, is an extremely disturbed and nasty piece of work. I didn't actually watch the entire film because I found it so disturbing.
I'm glad I interpreted the final scene correctly and I'm looking forward to how the Beale family deal with this nightmare. The Beale family has changed forever.
A little on the dramatic side perhaps? :p
I think i should have the duff duffs. It is sad because dtc has done great things to turn the show around, only to drop a huge spanner into the equation with this Kathy business. if you loose creditability it is a slippery slope sadly.
I think i should have the duff duffs. It is sad because dtc has done great things to turn the show around, only to drop a huge spanner into the equation with this Kathy business. if you loose creditability it is a slippery slope sadly.
He hasn't lost credibility with the majority of fans though as you've no doubt seen on other sites and social media. Yes, a lot of people complained about the Lucy reveal yesterday but there's been a huge about-turn after tonight's episode. The majority of fans can see the dramatic future potential for the Beales that will ripple from Bobby killing Lucy, and tonight's amazing live episode was a huge pay-off.
As for Kathy, most fans are delighted she's back and can't wait to see her again. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy to see how it pans out before making any judgements. I know I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when she appeared on Thursday and that sense of shock was a very enjoyable experience! :D
DTC has been responsible for the highest ratings in years and excited fans have broken Twitter records. He's actually gained massive credibility.
Time will tell if choosing Bobby as the killer and raising Kathy from the dead will be considered successful storylines in the long-term, but I think any failures are going to be too late to tarnish DTC now. After all, most fans now agree that Stacey was a bad choice for Archie's killer but that hasn't tarnished Diederick Santer's reputation one bit.
parkerman
21-02-2015, 10:49
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
I don't know why they had to go down that route with Billy and the photos. It'll probably be forgotten like Billy stealing the post, because he's no pervert. He wouldn't do something like that with his and Julie's backstories in the care home. Rather than the fish, they should have had him and Lucy rowing over the fact that she'd agreed to go into business with him and then used him to get the contacts from Butcher's Joints before giving him the elbow for Lauren.
flappinfanny
21-02-2015, 12:21
He hasn't lost credibility with the majority of fans though as you've no doubt seen on other sites and social media. Yes, a lot of people complained about the Lucy reveal yesterday but there's been a huge about-turn after tonight's episode. The majority of fans can see the dramatic future potential for the Beales that will ripple from Bobby killing Lucy, and tonight's amazing live episode was a huge pay-off.
As for Kathy, most fans are delighted she's back and can't wait to see her again. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy to see how it pans out before making any judgements. I know I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when she appeared on Thursday and that sense of shock was a very enjoyable experience! :D
DTC has been responsible for the highest ratings in years and excited fans have broken Twitter records. He's actually gained massive credibility.
Time will tell if choosing Bobby as the killer and raising Kathy from the dead will be considered successful storylines in the long-term, but I think any failures are going to be too late to tarnish DTC now. After all, most fans now agree that Stacey was a bad choice for Archie's killer but that hasn't tarnished Diederick Santer's reputation one bit.
You are right a lot of the fans are happy, I think it is perhaps the older fans like myself who have watched from day one who are disgruntled. I don't have a problem with Bobby being the killer (that was a master stroke in my opinion) and thought the flash back episode was superb and a real jaw dropping ending, very clever. The full live episode was outstanding and really showed Adam's talents to the full. All the Beales were superb. The whole anniversary week has been a great success.
If I am being picky and I had been EP, I would have ended the live epsiode with Julia's theme and the photo's on the side board, the fireworks broke the moment slightly. A lovely touch showing the heart carved of Tony and Julia. The episode still deserved a 10/10.
I still stand by what I said. I know we don't know the outcome of Kathy's return, but it wasn't needed. If that had not been in the episode you would not have missed it. That is why I am hopping mad. DTC has saved EastEnders and brought it back from the brink, he is a very good EP. EastEnders is not Hollyoaks and DTC is not Bryan Kirkwood, well not yet.
Just caught the live show from last night on YouTube and I admit I cried. Adam's performance was outstanding and the rest of the cast did an amazing job. Completely forgot it was 100% live it was that good.
He hasn't lost credibility with the majority of fans though as you've no doubt seen on other sites and social media. Yes, a lot of people complained about the Lucy reveal yesterday but there's been a huge about-turn after tonight's episode. The majority of fans can see the dramatic future potential for the Beales that will ripple from Bobby killing Lucy, and tonight's amazing live episode was a huge pay-off.
As for Kathy, most fans are delighted she's back and can't wait to see her again. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy to see how it pans out before making any judgements. I know I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when she appeared on Thursday and that sense of shock was a very enjoyable experience! :D
DTC has been responsible for the highest ratings in years and excited fans have broken Twitter records. He's actually gained massive credibility.
Time will tell if choosing Bobby as the killer and raising Kathy from the dead will be considered successful storylines in the long-term, but I think any failures are going to be too late to tarnish DTC now. After all, most fans now agree that Stacey was a bad choice for Archie's killer but that hasn't tarnished Diederick Santer's reputation one bit.
I personally I think this was better than the last time as they did a second show the day after the reveal that was live and explained a lot more than when Stacey killed archie. The shows after that were prerecorded so we had to wait a few weeks for the explanation (max and Stacey episode ). There was immediate closure on this
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
I see you haven't stated your opinion on the anniversary week episodes Parkerman (except to give your approval of Winston's scenes :D). Can I take it from your silence that you weren't impressed? :)
You are right a lot of the fans are happy, I think it is perhaps the older fans like myself who have watched from day one who are disgruntled. I don't have a problem with Bobby being the killer (that was a master stroke in my opinion) and thought the flash back episode was superb and a real jaw dropping ending, very clever. The full live episode was outstanding and really showed Adam's talents to the full. All the Beales were superb. The whole anniversary week has been a great success.
If I am being picky and I had been EP, I would have ended the live epsiode with Julia's theme and the photo's on the side board, the fireworks broke the moment slightly. A lovely touch showing the heart carved of Tony and Julia. The episode still deserved a 10/10.
I still stand by what I said. I know we don't know the outcome of Kathy's return, but it wasn't needed. If that had not been in the episode you would not have missed it. That is why I am hopping mad. DTC has saved EastEnders and brought it back from the brink, he is a very good EP. EastEnders is not Hollyoaks and DTC is not Bryan Kirkwood, well not yet.
It looks like we agree more than we disagree. :thumbsup:
I don't know about there being an age split as I'm an older fan who's been there from day one (except for 18 months) and I've seen plenty of positive comments from people I know are older too. Surely younger fans wouldn't be that interested in Kathy one way or another?
I couldn't agree more about DTC being EE's saviour. I didn't watch the soap for about 18 months before he took over because I'd had enough. This is the only time I haven't watched EE since it started and was down to the poor quality. I literally couldn't bear to watch it any longer. I went back to it (with quite a lot of trepidation) about 2 weeks after the Carters arrived as I was hearing such good things, and I haven't been tempted to stop watching again since.
So DTC literally saved EE for this long term viewer. I don't like every single thing he's done (Alfie's become unbearable for instance) but there's enough good stuff to keep me coming back and I've felt the live week was an absolute triumph (in case I haven't made that clear enough :o).
Can I take it you've changed your mind and will be continuing to watch EE after all? I do hope so! :)
I personally I think this was better than the last time as they did a second show the day after the reveal that was live and explained a lot more than when Stacey killed archie. The shows after that were prerecorded so we had to wait a few weeks for the explanation (max and Stacey episode ). There was immediate closure on this
I agree, a lot of thought went into planning this time around so we weren't left hanging for weeks. It was extremely well done all round. :thumbsup:
parkerman
21-02-2015, 17:27
I see you haven't stated your opinion on the anniversary week episodes Parkerman (except to give your approval of Winston's scenes :D). Can I take it from your silence that you weren't impressed? :)
I'm sorry. I couldn't get over seeing my hero again. I thought he'd disappeared for ever. It was a great touch by DTC to bring him back and feature him in so many scenes.
The rest was ok. Some good scripting and acting and knocked spots off Corrie at the moment. I agree that Adam's performance in the live episode was a tour-de-force. In truth I think he outshone everyone else. I think it was a bit of a shame that Bobby being revealed as the killer was not a great surprise thanks to social media. I'm afraid it didn't really have the shock value it should have done for me. As a plot device it was a good idea and what happens next with his development will be very interesting.
The thing I am still not sure about with this though is what happens now with the investigation. Are the police just going to forget it? Are the Branning Family just going to drop the whole thing? Ian told Mick he knew who killed Lucy, is he just going to forget it? Sharon has been a life long friend of Ian; will she just forget it and never raise it again. Stacey also thinks Lauren knows who did it, won't she pursue it? I still need to see how all this is going to resolve itself.
I'm also very unhappy about bringing Kathy back. It just happens too often in Soaps. Finding a way to bring someone back from the dead or getting them out of prison because the actor and producer thinks it would be nice to be back. Sorry, don't like that. Reg Cox will be next....or will it be Dean?
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
he wanted cake that is all
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
he wanted cake that is all
Thanks for your detailed reply Parkerman. :)
I think it was a bit of a shame that Bobby being revealed as the killer was not a great surprise thanks to social media. I'm afraid it didn't really have the shock value it should have done for me. As a plot device it was a good idea and what happens next with his development will be very interesting.
It's a shame the speculation spoiled the surprise for you. I'm lucky because I just didn't give any credence to the rumours so I was shocked to the core when he was revealed as the killer, especially given his whole demon-child demeanour lol.
The thing I am still not sure about with this though is what happens now with the investigation. Are the police just going to forget it? Are the Branning Family just going to drop the whole thing? Ian told Mick he knew who killed Lucy, is he just going to forget it? Sharon has been a life long friend of Ian; will she just forget it and never raise it again. Stacey also thinks Lauren knows who did it, won't she pursue it? I still need to see how all this is going to resolve itself.
My take on the above: I assume the investigation will stall and die a death. It'll remain open officially so it could be revisited in the future. Mick's got enough on his plate - he didn't even ask Ian who the killer was so I doubt if he'll cause any problems. Max told Abi or Lauren that he'd deal with Stacey (I'm assuming he means that he'll convince her Lauren got it wrong). Peter might change his mind and go along with the secret and could probably convince Lauren to drop it. I don't think Sharon's going to keep bringing it up for fear of saddening Ian.
So it's likely to become just another unsolved mystery that people still wonder about from time to time (until the secret comes out one day).
I'm also very unhappy about bringing Kathy back. It just happens too often in Soaps. Finding a way to bring someone back from the dead or getting them out of prison because the actor and producer thinks it would be nice to be back. Sorry, don't like that. Reg Cox will be next....or will it be Dean?
*shudder* I hope that Dean dies once and for all very soon. :angry:
It's a shame the Kathy reveal's spoiled things for you and others. :(
Fans have been calling for her return for years as it was generally agreed to have been a huge mistake to kill her off by a short-sighted producer. (The same goes for Pat but there's no way she can be brought back as we actually saw her dead body.)
I'm willing to suspend my disbelief if the storyline's credible because I think she'll be a great addition to the current Beale family and will cause untold aggro for Phil (always a good thing in my book :D).
i don't like jane's explanation for moving the body to common woods and max was seen going over to beale house in flashback did he not as jane said emma told her he saw a light on house
Did Mick do off with Dean?? Any chance of a translation into English? :)
did he kill him
i don't like jane's explanation for moving the body to common woods and max was seen going over to beale house in flashback did he not as jane said emma told her he saw a light on house
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Jane's covering for someone who helped her move the body. It's probably not Cindy as she seemed genuinely surprised by events. Max is a possibility as it was left open whether he entered the house or not.
Jane's description of carrying Lucy's body like a child didn't ring true at all, as carrying a dead body (even a girl of Lucy's size) in that way would have been nigh on impossible for anyone but a very strong man. There's also the strange discrepancy of putting the body in the boot if she was initially heading for the hospital.
I think more details will emerge in the weeks and months to come.
As an aside, did anyone else notice that Mick appeared to smother a laugh at one point (when Linda proposed). I don't think that could have been in the script, although I haven't seen anyone else mention it as an error.
Jessie Wallace
21-02-2015, 19:26
Jane's description of carrying Lucy's body like a child didn't ring true at all, as carrying a dead body (even a girl of Lucy's size) in that way would have been nigh on impossible for anyone but a very strong man. There's also the strange discrepancy of putting the body in the boot if she was initially heading for the hospital.
You'd be surprised what a person can lift when stressed and with high amounts of adrenaline running through you.
Jessie Wallace
21-02-2015, 19:26
...
You'd be surprised what a person can lift when stressed and with high amounts of adrenaline running through you.
That's a very good point so I can't discount that Jane was telling the truth about the way she moved Lucy's body.
My thinking stems from the fact that I read a lot of crime fiction and moving the body's always a big deal in those stories.
abi attacking lucy not wanting her as a step mother also was strange max has form with younger women does she remember stacey who max loved
I'm sorry. I couldn't get over seeing my hero again. I thought he'd disappeared for ever. It was a great touch by DTC to bring him back and feature him in so many scenes.
The rest was ok. Some good scripting and acting and knocked spots off Corrie at the moment. I agree that Adam's performance in the live episode was a tour-de-force. In truth I think he outshone everyone else. I think it was a bit of a shame that Bobby being revealed as the killer was not a great surprise thanks to social media. I'm afraid it didn't really have the shock value it should have done for me. As a plot device it was a good idea and what happens next with his development will be very interesting.
The thing I am still not sure about with this though is what happens now with the investigation. Are the police just going to forget it? Are the Branning Family just going to drop the whole thing? Ian told Mick he knew who killed Lucy, is he just going to forget it? Sharon has been a life long friend of Ian; will she just forget it and never raise it again. Stacey also thinks Lauren knows who did it, won't she pursue it? I still need to see how all this is going to resolve itself.
I'm also very unhappy about bringing Kathy back. It just happens too often in Soaps. Finding a way to bring someone back from the dead or getting them out of prison because the actor and producer thinks it would be nice to be back. Sorry, don't like that. Reg Cox will be next....or will it be Dean?
at time of lucy's dead mick made of point of his daughter being same age and didn't want a murderer on square around her now he knows ian knows the real killer what will he do they cant just drop the case
Don't know whether D.I Keeble will do a great deal ,not on past performance. Denise may be the one to start shaking things up. The only couple of comments I would make about the plot is, I think it went on far too long with the result that silly side issues were included i.e Billy keeping pics of Lucy and then writers trying to justify that red herring how they did. Finally I think the creation of that so called shortlist of suspects well out of order , in the knowledge that Bobby was the killer. I understand that he couldn't be included ,would be too obvious he was involved . Far better not to have had the list.
tammyy2j
22-02-2015, 15:06
I was just repeating what was said in the episode I wasn't suggesting she died from a fall.
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
When and how did Emma realise Lucy was killed at home by her own jewellery box?
There is a lot of loss ends (DTC and the writers to address better imo) and I don't think Ian can tell Keeble and the police to drop the case
Lauren knows Lucy was killed at home so she must suspect one of Lucy's own family
Stacey knows Lauren knows, Mick now knows Ian knows, Abi and Max know Lauren knows something too about Lucy's death
parkerman
22-02-2015, 15:15
My biggest fear is that they are just going to fudge over all this and no-one outside the Beales will mention Lucy's murder again. We'll see....
tammyy2j
22-02-2015, 15:19
My biggest fear is that they are just going to fudge over all this and no-one outside the Beales will mention Lucy's murder again. We'll see....
A wrongful arrest will be made in the Lucy Beale murder case
tammyy2j
22-02-2015, 15:19
^ Could be Billy, his photos found at last with the missing mail :p
at time of lucy's dead mick made of point of his daughter being same age and didn't want a murderer on square around her now he knows ian knows the real killer what will he do they cant just drop the case
Mick's a very different person to who he was when Lucy was murdered. Something big has happened (or will happen shortly) with Dean, Linda's pregnant (possibly with Dean's baby), he's just getting used to Shirley being his mum and Stan's dying. I think his priorities are different nowadays but that doesn't mean he won't ask Ian about it at some point. Ian'd better have an excuse prepared.
Don't know whether D.I Keeble will do a great deal ,not on past performance. Denise may be the one to start shaking things up. The only couple of comments I would make about the plot is, I think it went on far too long with the result that silly side issues were included i.e Billy keeping pics of Lucy and then writers trying to justify that red herring how they did. Finally I think the creation of that so called shortlist of suspects well out of order , in the knowledge that Bobby was the killer. I understand that he couldn't be included ,would be to obvious he was involved . Far better not to have had the list.
I like your idea of Denise being on the case. :)
Yeah the Billy thing was nonsense and out of character. :wall:
To be fair to DTC he did say in at least one interview that viewers would be misled. He even used the word "gimmick", so we were warned that we'd be deceived. You're not the only one who's miffed about it though Glen - some people have even made official complaints to the BBC and Ofcom!! :eek:
When and how did Emma realise Lucy was killed at home by her own jewellery box?
It was explained during Friday's live episode how Emma knew Lucy was killed at home (though I still think it unlikely that nice but dim Emma would have put all the pieces together lol), and it seems likely that Bobby left the music box under the Christmas tree (I've no idea why) so Emma probably didn't know anything about that.
...and I don't think Ian can tell Keeble and the police to drop the case
Ian would be silly to do that as it'd immediately make them suspicious of him.
My biggest fear is that they are just going to fudge over all this and no-one outside the Beales will mention Lucy's murder again. We'll see....
I'm glad to see from Tammy's spoiler that this isn't going to happen, but there's no doubt the case will die a death sooner or later.
A wrongful arrest will be made in the Lucy Beale murder case
if it were peter who ian side with then
A wrongful arrest will be made in the Lucy Beale murder case
if it were peter who ian side with then
tammyy2j
22-02-2015, 20:51
Emma is suppose to have guessed Lucy was killed at home from Patrick's fall, how is that exactly?
Emma is suppose to have guessed Lucy was killed at home from Patrick's fall, how is that exactly?
I'm not sure exactly, it seems she just connected the dots. Max had told here there was a light on downstairs which contradicted the witness statements, so Emma realised something had happened at the house that hadn't been accounted for.
tammyy2j
22-02-2015, 21:10
Emma didn't come across all that smart to me, she did after all fall for a suspect in Max
I think EE needs to address how Emma discovered Lucy was killed at home by Jane with the jewellery box
I know I sound like a broken record over this but it peeves me off that a genuine decent explanation has not been provided and also if Bobby bought the jewellery box back from the charity shop for baby Beth as a present, which is twisted and cruel by the little killer even though according to DTC, Bobby don't think he killed her, he may have said "I got Lucy's box back the one I used to hit her with in our fight before she was killed but she did start it"
So much of this storyline don't make sense the more I think about it now after the reveal maybe I should stop :p:o
Emma didn't come across all that smart to me, she did after all fall for a suspect in Max
I agree, I commented on Emma's dimness (can't remember which thread) earlier today. All I can say is she was a trained police officer and she had evidence the police didn't have.
I think EE needs to address how Emma discovered Lucy was killed at home by Jane with the jewellery box
I don't think Emma knew about the jewellery box. That's certainly never been stated to my knowledge. I speculated that she'd put it under the tree to provoke a reaction but there's no proof of this.
The only thing we know for certain is that she knew Lucy was killed at home (which has been explained) and that she suspected Jane (which has also been explained).
I know I sound like a broken record over this but it peeves me off that a genuine decent explanation has not been provided and also if Bobby bought the jewellery box back from the charity shop for baby Beth as a present, which is twisted and cruel by the little killer even though according to DTC, Bobby don't think he killed her, he may have said "I got Lucy's box back the one I used to hit her with in our fight before she was killed but she did start it"
Bobby probably is twisted and cruel. He may not have intended Lucy's death but he hit her hard over the head during an argument, which isn't normal behaviour by any standard.
Bobby appears to have felt genuine sadness at Lucy's death (he ran away to sleep where her body was found) and, if he truly doesn't realise he killed her, he won't have connected the box with Lucy's death. If he did put the box under the Christmas tree he may have thought he was being nice in his own twisted way. :searchme:
This is all speculation on my part though as I'm not 100% sure Bobby did put the box under the tree.
So much of this storyline don't make sense the more I think about it now after the reveal maybe I should stop :p:o
There may be more details to come out yet. I hope there are.
Emma is suppose to have guessed Lucy was killed at home from Patrick's fall, how is that exactly?
she did have a light bulb moment then did she think lucy fell at home like patrick
Ruffed_lemur
23-02-2015, 13:46
she did have a light bulb moment then did she think lucy fell at home like patrick
Yes, I think that's what happened.
tammyy2j
23-02-2015, 14:08
she did have a light bulb moment then did she think lucy fell at home like patrick
But the post mortem revealed Lucy was killed by a blow to the head nothing about a fall so it was a big jump and conclusion for Emma to make imo
But the post mortem revealed Lucy was killed by a blow to the head nothing about a fall so it was a big jump and conclusion for Emma to make imo
Maybe it was just the "at home" bit that connected some dots for Emma.
I was thinking that a way to conveniently get the police case dropped once and for all would be to have a not-so-innocent blamed for Lucy's death. Maybe when the "innocent" is arrested Ian persuades Dot to say that Nick did it. Perhaps by keeping the Beale family out of it and stopping an innocent person going to jail Dot would feel she'd atoned somewhat for Nick's death. Of course, Ian would have to confide the truth for Dot for this to happen.
Dean's another possibility if he's dead (or soon to be dead), especially as Mick knows Ian's aware who the killer is.
kim's man is called vincent too
Weakest duff duff in a long time. Danny and Kellie must have them written into their contracts :wall:
tammyy2j
23-02-2015, 22:18
Maybe it was just the "at home" bit that connected some dots for Emma.
I was thinking that a way to conveniently get the police case dropped once and for all would be to have a not-so-innocent blamed for Lucy's death. Maybe when the "innocent" is arrested Ian persuades Dot to say that Nick did it. Perhaps by keeping the Beale family out of it and stopping an innocent person going to jail Dot would feel she'd atoned somewhat for Nick's death. Of course, Ian would have to confide the truth for Dot for this to happen.
Dean's another possibility if he's dead (or soon to be dead), especially as Mick knows Ian's aware who the killer is.
I would like to see how Emma connected the dots from that
I hope Lauren goes with Peter to New Zealand, I want a happy ending for them
I don't think Dean is dead
Massod seems very worried and caring for Jane, does he know what Bobby did, could he have helped?
I don't think Ian will manage to keep quite he is struggling already and how lucky Keeble is scaling back the investigation into Lucy's murder
flappinfanny
23-02-2015, 23:08
It looks like we agree more than we disagree. :thumbsup:
Can I take it you've changed your mind and will be continuing to watch EE after all? I do hope so! :)
I know I had a hissy fit last week when they brought Kathy back form the dead and I said I would never watch again. What can I say, I have calmed down, I am chilled and I am fickle. I cannot give up on Albert Square, I still love this show.
A good start to the week. Nice to get back to normal, but good follow on scenes. Kim and Denise's scenes were good and I thought the opening scene was very well done. However the duff duff was a little weak.
is cindy not way too young to stay home alone
parkerman
24-02-2015, 08:14
Cindy is 16. Seems old enough to me. She's even old enough to have a baby...er....
tammyy2j
24-02-2015, 15:15
kim's man is called vincent too
I think Richard Blackwood's character saw Kim already unless he pretended he didn't know her
Cindy has her GCSE's this year. She must have missed a fair bit of school due to the pregnancy/birth, so probably for the best that she doesn't go with. Perhaps more unrealistic is the fact Bobby is allowed time off school. Should Ian not end up with a fine or something?
Cindy is 16. Seems old enough to me. She's even old enough to have a baby...er....
a baby don't make her mature and old
Cindy is 16. Seems old enough to me. She's even old enough to have a baby...er....
a baby don't make her mature and old
parkerman
24-02-2015, 19:02
No, but 16 is hardly "way too young" to stay home alone.
No, but 16 is hardly "way too young" to stay home alone.
mind you at 16 my biggest dilema was 'Jackie' or 'J17' with my pocket money!!!!!
does bobby know he killed lucy
No, he doesn't. He suspects, but both Jane and Peter have now told him that he didn't.
I'm getting to the point that I would pay to keep the Carters off of the screen :wall:
parkerman
24-02-2015, 22:22
I know I got this wrong with Eva in Corrie because she wasn't going to America after all, but the same problem applies to Lauren going to live in New Zealand. She would need to apply for a visa.....
Jason bought the ticket for New York, I presume he would have sorted visa at the same time ... when I went to the States, some years ago now though, the visa was for a year ....
tammyy2j
24-02-2015, 22:40
Is a visa needed even for a holiday?
Peter and Lauren are going to NZ long term, a nice happy exit for them, I sure they will return one day with baby Branning Beale :p
I am glad Peter told Lauren the truth of how Lucy died
Poor Abi, Ben admits he still likes guys and still she will make their relationship work she loves him, she really wants to be loved and needed
parkerman
24-02-2015, 22:48
No a visa isn't needed for a holiday. But they are going out there long term, not just for a holiday. For that they would need a visa.
flappinfanny
24-02-2015, 23:10
This episode was a game of two halves. The Scenes with the Beales and Lauren and Peter were good but the Carter scenes did not hold my interest and I did get a little bored. I never thought I would tire of the Carters as I have been one of their biggest cheer leaders but tonight I did. I thought the ending was good.
It did make me smile for saying Lauren is going to New Zealand she did not have much luggage. Abby had more and she was only moving down the square. :)
Jessie Wallace
24-02-2015, 23:34
I'm getting to the point that I would pay to keep the Carters off of the screen :wall:
What!! :p They the reason I started watching EastEnders again, having not watched it for a good few years, they've brought a bit of life back into it. Although there is the danger of over using them.
It was with some trepidation that I settled down to watch both of this week's episodes last night. I was very concerned how the aftermath of the anniversary week would be handled, but I shouldn't have been as it was very well done. :)
I guess the couple of scenes that directly referenced Bobby being the killer were filmed since Friday. I was right that Bobby's old enough to put two and two together about Lucy's death but he seems to have believed what Peter said (for now).
Nice to see Peter and Lauren (and bubs) get a happy ending.
I wasn't sure from Mick's reaction whether Dean was dead or alive but since Nancy told Linda she thinks he's dead, I'm certain now that he's still alive.
I know I had a hissy fit last week when they brought Kathy back form the dead and I said I would never watch again. What can I say, I have calmed down, I am chilled and I am fickle. I cannot give up on Albert Square, I still love this show.
I'm glad about that. At least you're got a sense of humour about it. I particularly liked what you said about needing your own duff duffs! :D
I think Richard Blackwood's character saw Kim already unless he pretended he didn't know her
He saw Kim and the baby getting into the ambulance but turned away quickly. It was obvious he knew her.
Has anyone realised that Kim's baby, Pearl, has been named after the 30th anniversary? I didn't think of that myself though, unfortunately. I saw someone mention it elsehwere.
What!! :p They the reason I started watching EastEnders again, having not watched it for a good few years, they've brought a bit of life back into it. Although there is the danger of over using them.
I agree, I love the Carters too. They've been on screen an awful lot during their first year but isn't that always the same for the family that runs the Vic? I find them very watchable (except for the slimy Dean).
kinda feel the same now about carters too used way too much
I felt sorry for both Abi and Ben (never thought I'd say that!) during the scene where he confessed he's still attracted to men. He genuinely cares for her and tried to finish the relationship. She's so desperate for love she'll stay in a relationship with a gay man. It's quite a sad situation really.
I felt sorry for both Abi and Ben (never thought I'd say that!) during the scene where he confessed he's still attracted to men. He genuinely cares for her and tried to finish the relationship. She's so desperate for love she'll stay in a relationship with a gay man. It's quite a sad situation really.
i like them together even as friends both actors really doing well in their roles, where is jay very quite with him and he cant be happy abi living there too now
I felt sorry for both Abi and Ben (never thought I'd say that!) during the scene where he confessed he's still attracted to men. He genuinely cares for her and tried to finish the relationship. She's so desperate for love she'll stay in a relationship with a gay man. It's quite a sad situation really.
i like them together even as friends both actors really doing well in their roles, where is jay very quite with him and he cant be happy abi living there too now
tammyy2j
26-02-2015, 22:33
i like them together even as friends both actors really doing well in their roles, where is jay very quite with him and he cant be happy abi living there too now
Jay is fine with it apparently :p not sure where he is bedding down now as I thought he shared a room with Ben, maybe with missing Denny :p
Why did Abi read Sharon's personal letter?
parkerman
26-02-2015, 23:02
Jay is fine with it apparently :p not sure where he is bedding down now as I thought he shared a room with Ben,Perhaps he's still there.:eek:
flappinfanny
26-02-2015, 23:06
Tameka was excellent tonight. Her scenes with Diane were very good. It is nice to see a different side to Kim. Stan and Patrick's scenes were very good. I did feel sorry for Sharon. A good duff duff. It is nice to get back to the bread and butter episodes after anniversary week.
does max still have arches
tammyy2j
27-02-2015, 15:00
Tameka was excellent tonight. Her scenes with Diane were very good. It is nice to see a different side to Kim. Stan and Patrick's scenes were very good. I did feel sorry for Sharon. A good duff duff. It is nice to get back to the bread and butter episodes after anniversary week.
Pearl Denise Patrice is a nice name, I hope the baby survives
Jay is fine with it apparently :p
I wouldn't say fine, more like resigned to the relationship. He knows it's going to end in tears. :p
Why did Abi read Sharon's personal letter?
I think she only scanned quickly it looking for the password. She didn't really have time for anything else as Sharon came in.
Tameka was excellent tonight. Her scenes with Diane were very good. It is nice to see a different side to Kim. Stan and Patrick's scenes were very good.
Lovely scene at the hospital as baby Pearl was baptised. I agree, it is nice to see a serious side to Kim and the actress pulls it off well.
I enjoyed that we were led to believe Stan was taking Patrick to the Vic, whereas he actually took him to the hospital. :)
does max still have arches
Yes, for the time being. Phil's apparently on the case though. :D
The problem with the Carters for me is that although naturally they will have more appearances due to running the Vic, they're never just in the background pulling pints, there's always a drama involving them; the 1000th karaoke, or another retconned birthday.
The problem with the Carters for me is that although naturally they will have more appearances due to running the Vic, they're never just in the background pulling pints, there's always a drama involving them; the 1000th karaoke, or another retconned birthday.
The high drama is what makes them interesting though. It kind of says it all about living on Albert Square that the Carters came in as a happy-go-lucky family and are now just as miserable as the rest of the residents. :D
I still wish the rape hadn't happened and I hope to goodness the baby's Mick's. I'd have loved to see Dean get justice (legally) but since that's not going to happen I hope he's dealt with in one way or another very soon. I also hated Stan trying to manipulate him family into killing him.
Other than that I've loved the Carter storylines, and I hope they go back to being happy (most of the time at least).
parkerman
27-02-2015, 18:51
I think she only scanned quickly it looking for the password. She didn't really have time for anything else as Sharon came in.
She was able to tell Carol what it said though.
She was able to tell Carol what it said though.
Abi may have done what I have a bad habit doing and skip read the letter (ie took in the gist of it without reading every word). That way she would have picked up the salient points in a few seconds, before even realising she was reading something private.
(OK, maybe she was just being nosy! :p)
so will sharon's daddy be someone we know
parkerman
27-02-2015, 22:58
"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" Written by Ewan MacColl for Peggy Seeger (later his wife). I used to go to their folk club every week back in the day and got to know them both. Not sure what Ewan would have made of his song being used in Eastenders!
tammyy2j
28-02-2015, 00:03
Who is trying to make who jealous in the Ben/Abi/Jay story
We haven't seen Jay and Lola together for a long while
tammyy2j
28-02-2015, 00:03
Sometimes lovey dovey Mick can be OTT
maidmarian
28-02-2015, 00:23
Sometimes lovey dovey Mick can be OTT
If it was a real person - would think
"has something to hide" !!
Soap character- who knows. I expect
they act as directed - which can change
suddenly!
maidmarian
28-02-2015, 00:23
Dupl
"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" Written by Ewan MacColl for Peggy Seeger (later his wife). I used to go to their folk club every week back in the day and got to know them both. Not sure what Ewan would have made of his song being used in Eastenders!
elaine wasn't too bad at it, i was thinking mick was going to sing pretty flamingo
"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" Written by Ewan MacColl for Peggy Seeger (later his wife). I used to go to their folk club every week back in the day and got to know them both. Not sure what Ewan would have made of his song being used in Eastenders!
elaine wasn't too bad at it, i was thinking mick was going to sing pretty flamingo
flappinfanny
28-02-2015, 12:31
An enjoyable episode to end the week. I am glad we are getting back to normal now after anniversary week and all that jazz.
Sharon was great tonight, good scenes with Linda and Sharon. I loved Elaine in tonight's ep. We all know Maria is a the first lady of the West End and credit to her for singing in character as Elaine and not as Maria Friedman.
Lovely scene between Sharon and Linda when they were taking about being a mother. They really work well and are believable as best friends despite knowing each other for such a short time. It's nice to see Linda with a smile on her face, and it's good to see Sharon back to being a likeable character again.
I wasn't expecting Jay to be knocked back by Lola. I thought she liked him. I don't think he's jealous that Abi's Ben's girlfriend now as he treated her really harshly for some unknown reason when he dumped her. He liked Lola even then.
Sometimes lovey dovey Mick can be OTT
If it was a real person - would think
"has something to hide" !!
Soap character- who knows. I expect
they act as directed - which can change
suddenly!
Danny Dyer's a bit too touchy feely with the ladies for my taste. I think it's probably him rather than Mick because there was a fuss a while back about him being too familiar with Mary Berry at an award show. I don't think she was bothered but the tabloids made a song and dance about it (quelle surprise!). Still, I often wonder what the EE ladies make of his being so "affectionate"? (At least he doesn't do it with Nancy which would be highly inappropriate.)
tammyy2j
02-03-2015, 16:34
elaine wasn't too bad at it, i was thinking mick was going to sing pretty flamingo
It would very distasteful if Mick did sing that knowing it was played during Linda's rape :sick:
I think Mick should be a little annoyed at Linda taking off from the engagement party to go with Sharon
It would very distasteful if Mick did sing that knowing it was played during Linda's rape :sick:
I think Mick should be a little annoyed at Linda taking off from the engagement party to go with Sharon
would mick know?
It would very distasteful if Mick did sing that knowing it was played during Linda's rape :sick:
I think Mick should be a little annoyed at Linda taking off from the engagement party to go with Sharon
would mick know?
tammyy2j
02-03-2015, 21:14
would mick know?
If I remember correctly Linda mentioned the song in her police statement but was Mick in the room during it, I'm not sure
flappinfanny
03-03-2015, 00:19
Good start to the week, good scenes with Denise and Kim. Excellent writing for Sharon and Shirley. That for me was the best scene of the episode. Perhaps the episode had too much carter stuff in it? The ending was very good, a great duff duff with Nancy.
So other characters are now being made to look bad to facilitate the Carters' screen presence. Mick's priorities were right Denise, with the partner whom Dean raped. It might've been about Shirley not Dean, but Shirley has done him no favours either, burning down his previous pub, keeping up the lie for years, forcing her feet under his table permanently and keeping up a row with Linda.
If I remember correctly Linda mentioned the song in her police statement but was Mick in the room during it, I'm not sure
Mick wasn't allowed in the room. I'd expect her to have told him, though.
Excellent writing for Sharon and Shirley. That for me was the best scene of the episode.
Yeah that scene was great. I hope we get more interaction between Sharon and Shirley - they've got great chemistry and their scenes are a joy to watch (now that they're no longer scratching each other's eyes out over the dubious pleasure of being Phil's doormat). They make great "frenemies".
I don't understand how anyone can expect more from Mick than he's giving Shirley at the moment. I personally think he's being a saint letting her back into their lives (and the Vic) at all.
It's nice to see Patrick and the Fox sisters bonding. Who puts together a large piece of furniture in the wrong room lol?
Did anyone see what Kim's text from Vincent said?
xx_Dan_xx
03-03-2015, 10:02
Yeah that scene was great. I hope we get more interaction between Sharon and Shirley - they've got great chemistry and their scenes are a joy to watch (now that they're no longer scratching each other's eyes out over the dubious pleasure of being Phil's doormat). They make great "frenemies".
I don't understand how anyone can expect more from Mick than he's giving Shirley at the moment. I personally think he's being a saint letting her back into their lives (and the Vic) at all.
It's nice to see Patrick and the Fox sisters bonding. Who puts together a large piece of furniture in the wrong room lol?
Did anyone see what Kim's text from Vincent said?
The text said that Vincent wants to see Kim and Pearl.
parkerman
03-03-2015, 10:04
Did anyone see what Kim's text from Vincent said?
It said something about when could he see the baby.
tammyy2j
03-03-2015, 13:29
Sharon has been great lately especially away from Phil who I assume is with his mother or Kathy somewhere abroad
I agree I liked her scenes with Shirley, I also like Shirley's friendship with Denise
does linda know the baby is deans or is guessing why cant alfie take the kids is he away
flappinfanny
03-03-2015, 23:01
Enjoyed the scenes with Kim and Kat, for some reason it worked, also the scenes with Dot and Sharon were very moving. The episode was still a little too focused on the Carters. I know the Carters are DTC's pet project, but even so.
does linda know the baby is deans or is guessing why cant alfie take the kids is he away
I think this stuff is what was filmed during the panto breaks as Phil and Ronnie are off screen also. Doesn't explain why Kat couldn't drop the kids off off screen though. He said he had a job at the weekend, so are we supposed to assume Alfie was also working in last night's episode?
Linda is guessing. I don't know why she didn't listen to Nancy and have that test that she could have had already.
does linda know the baby is deans or is guessing...
Linda is guessing. I don't know why she didn't listen to Nancy and have that test that she could have had already.
She was probably burying her head in the sand, and I can understand why. She couldn't get rid of the baby, but if she found out it was Dean's how on earth would she cope with the pregnancy? Now that she's decided it's Dean's it's probably better she has the test because it's not going to make her feel any worse.
If I were in her position I'd have the baby adopted if I couldn't love it.
Enjoyed the scenes with Kim and Kat, for some reason it worked...
I hated Kat's scenes last night! I know she's traumatised and I even sympathise with her plight, but I just don't enjoy watching her in that state (especially with the kids in tow).
The episode was still a little too focused on the Carters. I know the Carters are DTC's pet project, but even so.
The other big families will get their turn. As Kim says, Steve McFadden and Samantha Womack were still doing panto when these episodes were filmed so their stories are on hold for the time being. I blame allowing the stars to have panto breaks not the Carters, who are at least interesting.
I would like to see the Masoods get more screen time though.
...are we supposed to assume Alfie was also working in last night's episode?
Kat said Alfie was away working in last night's episode.
Abortion for Linda is still legal for another few weeks. Not pleasant, but legal. The earlier the better, so it would have made sense to do the test when Nancy mentioned it.
did think linda would open up about her rape and baby being deans in front of shirley the goon in car is after kim ordered by vincent
flappinfanny
05-03-2015, 22:55
I enjoyed the scenes in the Vic. However We did not need Whitney and Lee's scenes in tonights episode. Like Kat and Kim together. I love kim's laugh. Kellie Bright was excellent as always.
lee a bomb disposal expert really
parkerman
05-03-2015, 23:49
I must have missed something somewhere. Is Lee in the army or not?
I must have missed something somewhere. Is Lee in the army or not?
thought he went awol and was discharged and was a trainee plumber
I must have missed something somewhere. Is Lee in the army or not?
thought he went awol and was discharged and was a trainee plumber
parkerman
06-03-2015, 07:38
That's what I thought. So why is he being sent out as a bomb disposal expert? And why did he say he could get his CO to post him nearer home? :hmm:
Maybe he was not really discharged but was a member of the SAS and not allowed to tell anyone :hmm: :p
...the goon in car is after kim ordered by vincent
I think the man in the car was actually following Kat. It was a twist at the end and got the duff duffs (unless I completely got the wrong end of the stick!).
I must have missed something somewhere. Is Lee in the army or not?
Yes he is. He was going to go AWOL but Mick persuaded him not to. He then went back to his unit but started an army plumbing course a couple of months later. One of the selling points of the army is that you can learn a trade whilst there which will set you up for later life (coincidentally I saw a recruiting advert on TV just this morning that said just that).
I enjoyed last night's episode (even gobby Kat was bearable) but I think they missed a trick or two.
I'd have liked to have seen Kat and Linda have had a real in-depth heart-to-heart about their rapes and subsequent pregnancies. As it was it was barely touched upon, which puzzles me.
Also, it would have been the perfect time for Shirley to apologise profusely to Linda for bullying and humiliating her about the rape. I still can't believe the Carters have allowed Shirley back into their lives without so much as a sorry! :angry:
Abortion for Linda is still legal for another few weeks. Not pleasant, but legal. The earlier the better, so it would have made sense to do the test when Nancy mentioned it.
Linda couldn't go through with an abortion much earlier in the pregnancy so she's not going to now (and I'm pretty sure EE wouldn't got there at this stage as it'd be too harrowing). She was traumatised and not thinking straight after the rape so she wasn't thinking logically about the baby.
Not all rape victims who get pregnant have abortions anyway. (Little Mo didn't if you remember.)
parkerman
06-03-2015, 12:19
I think the man in the car was actually following Kat. It was a twist at the end and got the duff duffs (unless I completely got the wrong end of the stick!).
Yes, I agree. That's what I thought.
Yes he is. He was going to go AWOL but Mick persuaded him not to. He then went back to his unit but started an army plumbing course a couple of months later. One of the selling points of the army is that you can learn a trade whilst there which will set you up for later life (coincidentally I saw a recruiting advert on TV just this morning that said just that).
He's been on leave a long time hasn't he?
He's been on leave a long time hasn't he?
My understanding is that he hasn't been on leave but has been attending an army plumbing course by day (it's been mentioned very occasionally). Now he's rejoining his unit.
tammyy2j
06-03-2015, 14:36
Zoe got a mention last night, is she the next returnee :p
xx_Dan_xx
06-03-2015, 14:55
I think the man in the car was actually following Kat. It was a twist at the end and got the duff duffs (unless I completely got the wrong end of the stick!).
I disagree - he was following Kim before at the tube station. I think Vincent would of given him a description or more realistically a photo of Kim and I don't think he could mistake her for Kat really.
parkerman
06-03-2015, 15:18
Zoe got a mention last night, is she the next returnee :p
It's usually a good indicator, tammy.
tammyy2j
06-03-2015, 15:44
I disagree - he was following Kim before at the tube station. I think Vincent would of given him a description or more realistically a photo of Kim and I don't think he could mistake her for Kat really.
Although they do look very alike :p
I enjoyed last night's episode (even gobby Kat was bearable) but I think they missed a trick or two.
I'd have liked to have seen Kat and Linda have had a real in-depth heart-to-heart about their rapes and subsequent pregnancies. As it was it was barely touched upon, which puzzles me.
Also, it would have been the perfect time for Shirley to apologise profusely to Linda for bullying and humiliating her about the rape. I still can't believe the Carters have allowed Shirley back into their lives without so much as a sorry! :angry:
Linda couldn't go through with an abortion much earlier in the pregnancy so she's not going to now (and I'm pretty sure EE wouldn't got there at this stage as it'd be too harrowing). She was traumatised and not thinking straight after the rape so she wasn't thinking logically about the baby.
Not all rape victims who get pregnant have abortions anyway. (Little Mo didn't if you remember.)
Of course not, but my interpretation was that Linda couldn't go through with the abortion because Mick knew about it and didn't want her to have it. Had it taken place with Mick knowing about the rape, I think she would have gone through with it - especially if she'd had a test and knew categorically that the baby was Dean's.
I too was expecting more from the Kat and Linda scene. The spoilers suggested that Kat poured her heart out to Linda, but she actually told her off camera! It was quite odd that Shirley and Kim appeared to know, but Linda hadn't heard yet. It is common knowledge. Kim may have been told by Kat, but Shirley? "Who's Zoe?" also didn't fit; Linda knew of her existence as she was asking Sharon for the gossip on Kat/Zoe/Anthony back in the summer.
does roxy love charlie now?
tammyy2j
06-03-2015, 22:36
I am glad the aftermath of Linda's rape is being handled well and not skipped over or rushed, Danny and Kellie have great chemistry and play off each other so well, he was so sweet with her and liked their scenes in the park recreating their first date
I disagree - he was following Kim before at the tube station. I think Vincent would of given him a description or more realistically a photo of Kim and I don't think he could mistake her for Kat really.
Although they do look very alike :p
I thought it was obvious from the phone conversation the guy had in the car at the end of Thursday's episode that he'd been looking for Kat all along... :p
Of course not, but my interpretation was that Linda couldn't go through with the abortion because Mick knew about it and didn't want her to have it. Had it taken place with Mick knowing about the rape, I think she would have gone through with it - especially if she'd had a test and knew categorically that the baby was Dean's.
Yeah, I see what you mean. As far as I can remember Mick said he'd support whatever decision Linda made about the pregnancy (after his initial shock) but was obviously unhappy about it. Linda then went to her appointment but couldn't go through with the abortion. How much influence Mick had on her change of heart I can't really remember though.
I do think there's a possibility she wouldn't have been able to go through with it anyway as she'd been desperate for a baby not that long before, but I guess we'll never know now.
I am glad the aftermath of Linda's rape is being handled well and not skipped over or rushed, Danny and Kellie have great chemistry and play off each other so well, he was so sweet with her and liked their scenes in the park recreating their first date
That was a lovely scene and it's really good to see the couple tentatively trying to get past the rape (and it's excellent that EE are still dealing with the effect it's has on both of them). Did anyone else feel that Mick's line about tonguing Linda with cheesy breath was ad-libbed? :D
It's good to see the effects of Kat's abuse being dealt with too. If this storyline will help the character move on that can only be a good thing.
So we're going to have a love triangle storyline between Ronnie, Roxy and Charlie... :thumbsdow
flappinfanny
07-03-2015, 13:35
I thought the Scenes with Mick and Linda in the park with the sweets was well done. Also it is nice to see a different side to Kim. I thought it was clever that the bloke in the car wanted Kat and not Kim as we were lead to believe.
Some nice bits of comedy also, Denise to Kim: "I'm going to buy Patrick some new pants. The glamour." Shirley answering the phone in blades in a posh voice and telling Lolo off for her efforts on a client. Shirley to Lolo: "Blonde like Kylie Minogue, not Nanny McPhee" - Shirley Carter at her finest. I like her in Blades. The duff duff was a little flat however.
The duff duff was a little flat however.
I'm intrigued to find out why Zoe hates Kat. I guess it's been done to explain why Zoe won't be back (I've heard that Michelle Ryan's not interested and, since they used her photo the other day, the character won't be recast in the near future).
maidmarian
07-03-2015, 14:28
I'm intrigued to find out why Zoe hates Kat. I guess it's been done to explain why Zoe won't be back (I've heard that Michelle Ryan's not interested and, since they used her photo the other day, the character won't be recast in the near future).
Not sure if this is what you mean Dazzle?
Wiki says after attempting suicide( after Zoes
parentage became known) Kat has a romance
with Dr Anthony Trueman - when this breaks
up-Anthony begins a relationship with Zoe.
Kat disapproves and Zoe disowns her for
disapproving.
When Anthony tells Zoe that he still in love
with Kat-Zoe runs away.
I cant do a link and have shortened it a bit.
If you are interested-its in Kat Slaters profile
on Wiki in storylines section.
Not sure how accurate it is -people amend-
and I dont remember all details of story.
Or it could be Zoe is resentful about being
deceived about who her real parents were
and blames Kat more than others-eg seemed
OK with Charlie.
maidmarian
07-03-2015, 14:28
Dupl
zoe is on run for her part in dens death and cover up she left on good terms with kat
maidmarian
07-03-2015, 15:16
zoe is on run for her part in dens death and cover up she left on good terms with kat
Yes - the details on Zoes profile are quite
different to Kats in several ways.
What with amendments and retcons -
probably the memories of those who
watched it all( I missed some parts)
are best!
maidmarian
07-03-2015, 15:16
Dupl
probably the memories of those who
watched it all( I missed some parts)
are best!
I watched it all but I can't remember much of it now... :o
tammyy2j
09-03-2015, 16:41
I'm intrigued to find out why Zoe hates Kat. I guess it's been done to explain why Zoe won't be back (I've heard that Michelle Ryan's not interested and, since they used her photo the other day, the character won't be recast in the near future).
I don't think they could recast Zoe as the reveal scene between her and Kat as her mother is so famous and legendary now for the show
flappinfanny
10-03-2015, 23:35
The scenes with Billy and Carol worked well. EastEnders under DTC has got better at ordinary episodes, the bread and butter of a soap. This never happened under Newman.
The scenes with Billy and Carol worked well. EastEnders under DTC has got better at ordinary episodes, the bread and butter of a soap. This never happened under Newman.
the kiss was like sharks eating one another :p
The scenes with Billy and Carol worked well. EastEnders under DTC has got better at ordinary episodes, the bread and butter of a soap. This never happened under Newman.
the kiss was like sharks eating one another :p
Really nice to see some character development for Kat, and to see her as a caring mum. I really like her when the gobby act is toned down. Jessie Wallace is very good at playing the vulnerability beneath the wafer-thin veneer of hardness and brashness.
I'm not sure how I feel about Kat taking Harry's money though. I thought she was right to turn it down, but of course her financial situation's precarious and she's got her kids to consider.
Surprisingly good chemistry between Carol and Billy. I hope we see more of the two, they're sweet together (as long as they're not turned into yet another of the square's long-suffering couples).
It was very funny when everyone left Martin alone in the pub. He needs to find some more interesting topics of conversion! :D
tammyy2j
11-03-2015, 14:51
Pam: Les battered sausage :p
anyone read harry potter and bay city rollers
flappinfanny
11-03-2015, 23:03
To be truthful an episode you could quite easily have missed (apart from the duff duff) Pleased Mo got the Duff Duff. :)
kat needs to accept the money she is broke and has young kids
tammyy2j
12-03-2015, 23:12
I thought Mas wanted Shabs and Kush to get together a while back, his reaction tonight was ott (maybe it was that they were sleeping together though) and why did Shabs think her and Kush were getting engaged already
I hope Tamwar and Nancy get together properly
Looks like Les has 2 birdys on the go :p
flappinfanny
12-03-2015, 23:12
Mo: ''Kat Moon speaking, I ain't got no PPI'' so funny, line of the night. :D
Poor Pam, Les you dirty dog. I like Kush and Shabs together and pairing Nancy and Tam together is genius. I hope they become some sort of couple.
I've enjoyed catching up with some of the quieter characters and storylines this week. It makes a refreshing change to see characters like Les and Pam given some screen time. I'm not convinced yet that he has another woman on the go though. There could be another explanation although we already know he's dodgy (something Pam seems completely unaware of).
I enjoyed the scenes in the funeral parlour and wish we'd get more of them. There's plenty of scope for storylines there. We could have a new imaginatively-killed corpse per episode like the TV show Six Feet Under (one of my erstwhile faves). :D
I don't understand at all how Shabnam thought she and Kush were engaged. Nothing like that was even hinted as far as I'm aware. Perhaps she only said that to appease Masood and to give the impression that she was only sleeping with Kush because she thought they'd be married soon? I could believe that because she was so ashamed at seeing her hypocrisy through her father's eyes. She's been so judgemental about his relationships in the past that it's no wonder he was angry.
kat needs to accept the money she is broke and has young kids
She (and the kids) need her sanity above all else though.
kat should go counseling and accept the money
I think Kat should give the money to charity and put in her own claim for criminal injuries compensation. Money she got that way wouldn't be Harry's, but what the authorities think she's due. As Dazzle says, they need her sanity.
who would kat sue as harry is dead
parkerman
13-03-2015, 22:08
who would kat sue as harry is dead
You don't sue anyone, you claim compensation from the criminal injuries compensation board, but she would have to prove that Harry raped her.
You don't sue anyone, you claim compensation from the criminal injuries compensation board, but she would have to prove that Harry raped her.
oh didn't know that cheers pm
You don't sue anyone, you claim compensation from the criminal injuries compensation board, but she would have to prove that Harry raped her.
oh didn't know that cheers pm
parkerman
14-03-2015, 00:03
You're welcome.:)
You don't sue anyone, you claim compensation from the criminal injuries compensation board, but she would have to prove that Harry raped her.
kat had zoe when she was underage
You don't sue anyone, you claim compensation from the criminal injuries compensation board, but she would have to prove that Harry raped her.
kat had zoe when she was underage
parkerman
14-03-2015, 08:06
That doesn't prove Harry raped her.
maidmarian
14-03-2015, 08:37
That doesn't prove Harry raped her.
No it doesnt- but arent having sexual intercourse
with a minor and incest both criminal offences.
Though incest rarely prosecuted!!
maidmarian
14-03-2015, 08:37
Dupl
That doesn't prove Harry raped her.
It doesn't, though it proves that intercourse took place, which proves statutory rape at least. Charlie Slater will also confirm Kat's story, having spoken to Harry after the truth came out. It's very very unlikely that a man would see his dead brother's name dragged through the mud to allow his daughter to win a false claim.
Kat likely has more proof than any of the other victims.
I'd love for Kat to get some compensation. It's money she could take with a clear conscience and would help get her life back on track. I hope that meeting other victims (which I assume is going to happen) will help her start to come to terms with the abuse.
She's going to be very unhappy when she finds out about Mo's duplicity though.
parkerman
14-03-2015, 12:59
It doesn't, though it proves that intercourse took place, which proves statutory rape at least. Charlie Slater will also confirm Kat's story, having spoken to Harry after the truth came out. It's very very unlikely that a man would see his dead brother's name dragged through the mud to allow his daughter to win a false claim.
Kat likely has more proof than any of the other victims.
I wasn't saying she COULDN'T prove it, just that she would HAVE to. It's no good just saying, I had Zoe when I was underage, therefore Harry....
maidmarian
14-03-2015, 14:52
I wasIven't saying she COULDN'T prove it, just that she would HAVE to. It's no good just saying, I had Zoe when I was underage, therefore Harry....
Yes-parkerman-Ive had a look the Criminal
Injuries info on Internet and its very complicated.
If an offence took place before victim was 18 and
was reported to police before 18th birthday -have
until 20th birthday to make claim. If not reported
until after 18th birthday -have 2yrs from date of
report to police to make claim. They have to
provide evidence and for it to be such that
a decision cabn easily be made!
A seperate point -the Sexual Offences Act 2003
significantly re-categorised sexual crimes/offences.
Actions which are now treated as rape were
previously indecent or sexual assualt.
As the judge told one of the defendants( in a
recent"celebrity" trial he wa limited to giving
him tarriffs in effect at the time ofthe offences.
If he could sentence him under current laws the
terrms would be much longer.
Regarding incest if the participants are both adults
-its likely to be just a caution. If one of them is
a child especially under 13-its much more serious.
Also allows for people not related by blood but
in position of trust eg mothers live-in partner
or step/parent.
Im not sure where this leaves Kat-I would like
her to get some justice and peace of mind.
But I hope the sake of real people who have
been similarly affected( and perhaps not taken
action yet) that EE have some good legal advice
etc that reflects current situation and is realistic
or the story may have adverse effect on victims.
maidmarian
14-03-2015, 14:52
Dupl
cindy has a free house with many rooms but she gets jiggy with liam on the couch near were lucy was killed and martin catches them
flappinfanny
18-03-2015, 00:24
A good start to the week and a big improvement on last week. Nice scenes with Patrick and Stan and nice to have Ann Mitchell back. Not sure about the Nu Martin?
go to see paddy improving slowly
tammyy2j
18-03-2015, 14:24
It is shame that Stan dies soon as I would like to have more scenes of him and Patrick
Did Mas take out the money to bet with? I thought Shabham gave him the inheritance money so could that have helped him to buy or rent the Argee Bhajee
Did Mas take out the money to bet with? I thought Shabham gave him the inheritance money so could that have helped him to buy or rent the Argee Bhajee
I think Masood refused Shabnam's offer of the money. I wonder how much money he won? He didn't look too guilty about it.
Loved the look on Sonia and Martin's faces when they saw Rebecca's new look. :D
Sad about Stan. :(
is mick and linda on another holiday?
LostVoodoo
18-03-2015, 21:24
Gosh, New Martin is incredibly dull, isn't he?
babe will help stan die, she will kill off so cora cant have him
flappinfanny
19-03-2015, 23:39
A superb script from Daran Little. Quality scenes in the hospital. Timothy and Ann were outstanding. Sonia is so annoying, I prefered her when she had her trumpet. :)
A superb script from Daran Little. Quality scenes in the hospital. Timothy and Ann were outstanding. Sonia is so annoying, I prefered her when she had her trumpet. :)
martin preferred when sonia wanted his trumpet:p
A superb script from Daran Little. Quality scenes in the hospital. Timothy and Ann were outstanding. Sonia is so annoying, I prefered her when she had her trumpet. :)
martin preferred when sonia wanted his trumpet:p
There were lots of lovely scenes last night, between Stan and everyone, Babe and Cora, and Sonia and Tina. Moving that Babe sacrificed her time with Stan to give him some happiness with Cora. I wish we'd see more of Babe, especially when she's so all-written (she's always impeccably acted).
I like Sonia and Tina together. I don't think we should judge the new Martin until he's had a couple of months to settle into the role. I'm enjoying having the character back on the square, although I still wish we had James Alexandrou in the role at the moment. Hopefully that'll change given some time.
Andrew Sachs didn't last long!!! :eek:
is donna adopted, les and her mother well who saw that
tammyy2j
20-03-2015, 22:50
is mick and linda on another holiday?
In Dublin not worrying about dying Stan
tammyy2j
20-03-2015, 22:55
is donna adopted, les and her mother well who saw that
Donna did say her mother had two other foster kids so maybe she is her adopted or foster mother
flappinfanny
21-03-2015, 00:15
It is nice to have a break from the main players like the Beales and the Carters for a bit. They are back next week, so for those pining for the A Lister's, won't have to wait long. :)
I am warming to Donna more and more, Lisa Hammond is very good at comedy and love her one liners. I am also looking forward to hear more of Kush's story.
The only down side is Tina and Sonia. Don't get me wrong I love a good Lesbian relationship like anybody else (in a none German Shot putter way), but not Tina and Sonia, so boring. A shame because I was warming to Tina.
flappinfanny
21-03-2015, 00:15
Line of the episode goes to Donna talking to Shabnam with Pam about Kush. "Thought you were over him...or d'you just wanna get back under him?" :D
donna had some good lines alright, she seems gagging for it :p
is donna adopted
She said she was fostered.
It is nice to have a break from the main players like the Beales and the Carters for a bit. They are back next week, so for those pining for the A Lister's, won't have to wait long. :)
I am warming to Donna more and more, Lisa Hammond is very good at comedy and love her one liners. I am also looking forward to hear more of Kush's story.
I'm not pining for the A-listers. I've really enjoyed that the background characters have recently had a chance to shine. I agree that the actress who plays Donna is very good and hope she's not pushed into the background for months again. Presumably she'll have more to do now Claudette's around.
Typical EastEnders that Martin spills the beans about Sonia and Tina's relationship in front of the whole pub. What would an EE party be without revelations that rock the square? :D
I liked the party scenes and thought they were well done, especially with Kush (who's really growing on me) being a sad drunk and Martin being an obnoxious drunk.
I don't think that Les is having an affair with Claudette.
I enjoyed seeing a happy Cora. It's a pity it's not going to last... :(
flappinfanny
21-03-2015, 18:30
She said she was fostered.
I'm not pining for the A-listers. I've really enjoyed that the background characters have recently had a chance to shine. I agree that the actress who plays Donna is very good and hope she's not pushed into the background for months again. Presumably she'll have more to do now Claudette's around.
Typical EastEnders that Martin spills the beans about Sonia and Tina's relationship in front of the whole pub. What would an EE party be without revelations that rock the square? :D
I liked the party scenes and thought they were well done, especially with Kush (who's really growing on me) being a sad drunk and Martin being an obnoxious drunk.
I don't think that Les is having an affair with Claudette.
I enjoyed seeing a happy Cora. It's a pity it's not going to last... :( I agree, I don't think she is either.
les looked very lustful with donna's mom giving her jewellery as a gift looked like she is his mistress to me
tammyy2j
23-03-2015, 14:38
I don't like Tina with Sonia, think Sonia ruins Tina who is a good character
donna has brothers maybe one is vincent
flappinfanny
23-03-2015, 23:40
God I could not care less about the two of them. They brought down the episode, not quite p**s poor, but nudging that way. I am sorry but I was bored.
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