Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[xx_Dan_xx]

I am glad Mick is the father

But again now the baby daddy drama is overshadowing the rape which needs to have a favourable outcome for the victim, Dean needs to be punished, Linda needs justice

Thats the thing though, what justice can be done - the only way this Dean thing ends is if he either confesses or he and Linda reach some haven - for instance portraying Dean in a less villainous picture.

[tammyy2j]

Thats the thing though - the only way this Dean thing ends is if he either confesses or he and Linda reach some haven - for instance portraying Dean in a less villainous picture.

I hope he confesses and then hands himself into the police

[maidmarian]

Thats the thing though, what justice can be done - the only way this Dean thing ends is if he either confesses or he and Linda reach some haven - for instance portraying Dean in a less villainous picture.

Surely portraying Dean as less villainous would
be the opposite of justice and add insult to
injury for Linda. Like it didnt really matter.
His general attitude since the rape has just
made things worse.

The producer has promised all along that there
would be justice -but not the legal kind.Very
few rapists are punished by the legal.system-
so this reflects real life -I suppose.

But some other sort of justice could befall
Dean ( some a little gory to speculate upon)
or a natural justice or retribution that seriously
affects him.&his life.!The producer must have
had at least one potential storyline in mind!

Anyway it has been promised-so I think
quite a number of viewers are waiting for it
to.happen and wont.really be satisfied til
it does.

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[lizann]

a rapist shouldn't get a happy ending, dean cant be redeemed

[Dazzle]

I'm positive Shabnam's baby story will play into Dean getting justice somehow. I still think he raped her and that will come out at some point. Shabnam doesn't realise that she was too drunk to consent and that his ignoring the whole thing happened afterwards is exactly what he did to Linda too. He might have even spiked Shabnam's drink because she said she didn't usually get drunk (or words to that effect) if I remember correctly.

I'm feeling slightly better than I was about the rape storyline because I think the writing is subtly turning against Dean. We're still being treated to his self-pity, but he's been behaving more and more unreasonably. Buster obviously suspects him of the rape now and both he and Shirley were shocked by his violent outburst last night. The wool is slowly being lifted from their eyes.

It's a pity it's all taking so long to reach a conclusion! Dean has to get justice for all our sakes now. Perhaps it'll be in the form of being cut out of Roya's life for ever.

[lizann]

dean remembers his quickie with shabham

alfie seriously ill

who is kathy's gavin, vincent:p

[lizann]

dean remembers his quickie with shabham

alfie seriously ill

who is kathy's gavin, vincent:p

[parkerman]

I hope you're right Dazzle.

[lizann]

one thing puzzling me was how shirley had blood test records for dean from when he was a child tested for same illness as jimbo, the only item shirley permanent has is her nude colour mac, she moves gaffs all the time :p

[parkerman]

That's more or less exactly what my wife said to me, lizann. :)

[Dazzle]

I'm intrigued about whether Buster is going to go behind Shirley's back and go to the party with the teddy and card. I hope he does and that Dean's lost his support for good.

I wonder what's wrong with Alfie? It would answer a lot of people's prayers if the character had a terminal illness and will leave EE permanently! It's a shame that it's happened when Kat's so happy though. :(


who is kathy's gavin, vincent:p

Gavin is Kathy's husband. It sounds like she's in hiding from him. Why would Phil go to the trouble of finding her then drop her like a stone? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


I hope you're right Dazzle.

So do I. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic and Dean, Shabnam and Roya will be playing happy families in a couple of months time. :angry:

Although...


dean remembers his quickie with shabham

backs up my case I think because Shabnam was positive he couldn't remember it. He obviously wasn't as drunk as she thought he was. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/yes-and-no/smileys-yes-and-no-084887.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


one thing puzzling me was how shirley had blood test records for dean from when he was a child tested for same illness as jimbo, the only item shirley permanent has is her nude colour mac, she moves gaffs all the time :p

Yes, that was a bit convenient to say the least... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[tammyy2j]

What medical tests and exams are needed to leave the UK for Spain to open or work in a bar?

I hope your theory is right Dazzle too

[Perdita]

From what I have seen, you don't need tests or exams to open a bar in Spain, you apply for a licence which you might never get but as long as there are no problems, the bar will be open for business. Even Spanish proprietors allegedly operate without all of the correct paperwork, but whether that is true or not I really don't know

[tammyy2j]

From what I have seen, you don't need tests or exams to open a bar in Spain, you apply for a licence which you might never get but as long as there are no problems, the bar will be open for business. Even Spanish proprietors allegedly operate without all of the correct paperwork, but whether that is true or not I really don't know

It is strange so why Kat and Alfie were having medicals :searchme:

[Perdita]

Maybe just one of those things to fit into the storyline

[maidmarian]

It is strange so why Kat and Alfie were having medicals :searchme:

Perhaps now they are "in the money"
theyre splashing out on a bit of
private health insurance!!
But in that case -probably head for
Harley St!! not local health centre!

So probably not!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[tammyy2j]

Is Fatima who is arranging the marriage for Shabham the wife of AJ, Masood's brother?

I feel sorry for Alfie

Stacey and Kush seems to have come from nowhere not liking it and Stacey was wrong to tell about the child too

[lizann]

does buster not believe dean as he is softening towards mick and his family

[Dazzle]

Is Fatima who is arranging the marriage for Shabham the wife of AJ, Masood's brother?

No, she's married to Masood's older brother Inzamam, who last appeared several years ago:

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I feel sorry for Alfie

Me too (just a little bit) despite myself. Of course he deals with it as he deals with everything - by lying. At least the writing for him's consistent! :wall:

Mystery solved about the medical tests he and Kat required: the bank needed them. I don't know anything about finances but surely they didn't spend more than a million on a bar and villa in Spain?


Stacey and Kush seems to have come from nowhere not liking it and Stacey was wrong to tell about the child too

I totally agree. First she kisses the man her best friend loves and then she spills her darkest secret. What a b*tch!!! :angry: (And I say that as a fan of Stacey...)


does buster not believe dean as he is softening towards mick and his family

He started changing his mind after he talked to Mick last week and developed a new-found respect for him. He's since witnessed Dean's violent and unstable behaviour and is quickly coming around to Mick's point of view. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/dancing/smileys-dancing-176278.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Dean's done with harassing Linda (which I'm thankful for) and has moved on to anyone hiding details of his daughter. Lovely. :thumbsdow

[lizann]

so the nun visit to kat in the pub was pointless and wasted

not who i pictured for fat elvis :p

[lizann]

so the nun visit to kat in the pub was pointless and wasted

not who i pictured for fat elvis :p

[maidmarian]

**Quote from post by Dazzle**-
He started changing his mind after he talked to Mick last week and developed a new-found respect for him. He's since witnessed Dean's violent and unstable behaviour and is quickly coming around to Mick's point of view. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/dancing/smileys-dancing-176278.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Dean's done with harassing Linda (which I'm thankful for) and has moved on to anyone hiding details of his daughter. Lovely. :thumbsdow[/QUOTE]


Reply**

Its good that Busters opinion and relationship with
Mick are improving and hes seen the other side of
Dean.

One thing that concerns me is ( after all
the discussion about blood types) is whether
Buster can be the father of both an Blood type
AB and Blood type O child.
We dont know Busters or Shirleys blood type -but
I thought a ? might have occurred to one of the
characters.

The babys paternity seems to be settled to most
people satisfaction( except Deans). There are some
very rare genetic variations with blood type AB
-which the writers could have obtained advice on-
so I hope they dont revisit that at a later date.

As you suggest in another post -if Dean now
decides he wants contact with Roja and is denied
it - that would be some form of justice.
Life does sometimes hand out unexpected
retributions!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[parkerman]

As you suggest in another post -if Dean now
decides he wants contact with Roja and is denied
it - that would be some form of justice.
Life does sometimes hand out unexpected
retributions!
So the retribution could be that he is not the father of Linda's baby and is denied access to the baby he is father of. Hmmm.

In the meantime he stays around the Square running a successful business and as a constant reminder to Linda of what he did to her with Shirley always there to support him and believe he's done nothing wrong.

I really hope that is not the retribution planned.

[maidmarian]

So the retribution could be that he is not the father of Linda's baby and is denied access to the baby he is father of. Hmmm.

In the meantime he stays around the Square running a successful business and as a constant reminder to Linda of what he did to her with Shirley always there to support him and believe he's done nothing wrong.

I really hope that is not the retribution planned.

I wasnt expecting him to be staying in the
square !!!

I think. he should have gone some time ago!
by some means or other!

Shirleys behaviour is appalling but fits in with her
character as it has always appeared to me. Id be
happy if she went as well- but she seems to have
fans and I thought was she was the main reason
Carter family expanded??!

For whatever reason the producer/soap.team don't
seem keen to resolve and finalise the Dean issue
and I thought if he wanted access to Roja and was
denied it might be a partial.one in the eye for him
until.they do!! Thats all!

I must say having "picked" a rare blood group which
apparently has rare variations for Dean to have-I
still have doubts as to when the promised justice
will be exacted!.If at all as the blood grouping
could open up various possibilities in the future.!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[sarah c]

One thing that concerns me is ( after all
the discussion about blood types) is whether
Buster can be the father of both an Blood type
AB and Blood type O child.





No he couldn't

[maidmarian]

One thing that concerns me is ( after all
the discussion about blood types) is whether
Buster can be the father of both an Blood type
AB and Blood type O child.

No he couldnt


Thats what I thought! It would be a shame if
he was Deans father and not Micks .But have to
wait and see if subject is ever mentioned on EE.

I do wonder how much research they did and
how much specialist advice they received
.And if theres still a surprise to come as there
seem to be some rare variations.

No he couldn't[/QUOTE]

[maidmarian]

One thing that concerns me is ( after all
the discussion about blood types) is whether
Buster can be the father of both an Blood type
AB and Blood type O child.

No he couldnt


Thats what I thought! It would be a shame if
he was Deans father and not Micks .But have to
wait and see if subject is ever mentioned on EE.

I do wonder how much research they did and
how much specialist advice they received
.And if theres still a surprise to come as there
seem to be some rare variations.

[Dazzle]

I'm glad Kat and Alfie got a happy ending - of sorts. I assume he thinks he can have secret treatment in Spain. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

It felt like a goodbye for Big Mo too with the news of her engagement and sight of Fat Elvis at long last! :eek: This (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-05-22/eastenders-finally-reveals-fat-elvis---and-hes-engaged-to-big-mo) article says Fat Elvis' appearance was a one-off (for now) so it looks like we won't be seeing Mo again for the foreseeable either.Nice to see Buster subtly nudging Shirley away from Dean and towards Mick. I was wryly amused that neither of his parents believed Dean that his daughter's alive! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-695223.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


so the nun visit to kat in the pub was pointless and wasted

It was deeply frustrating to be teased like that but I guess it served DTC's purpose by whetting our appetites for the spin-off. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/yes-and-no/smileys-yes-and-no-068329.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


One thing that concerns me is ( after all
the discussion about blood types) is whether
Buster can be the father of both an Blood type
AB and Blood type O child.

According to this (http://www.endmemo.com/medical/bloodtype.php) blood type calculator, where one parent is an A and the other is a B they can have offspring with all possible blood types, so it's certainly possible Buster is both Mick and Dean's father. I believe this is possible because O is a recessive gene.


The babys paternity seems to be settled to most
people satisfaction( except Deans).

I think it is settled for Dean otherwise he'd have tried to prove Mick wrong. As it is he accepted the verdict straight away.


So the retribution could be that he is not the father of Linda's baby and is denied access to the baby he is father of. Hmmm.

In the meantime he stays around the Square running a successful business and as a constant reminder to Linda of what he did to her with Shirley always there to support him and believe he's done nothing wrong.

I really hope that is not the retribution planned.

I'm pretty sure that Dean will go sooner or later. He just can't be kept around the square or EE will lose a lot of viewers.

The writers can't be trying to whitewash him (as I feared) because he's been shown to be becoming more unstable and violent (Shabnam and Shirley were both scared of him the other day) so he has to get his comeuppance and leave the square at the end of the story (whenever that will be!). I'm still hoping that he'll go to prison if it turns out he raped Shabnam. If he doesn't, being outcast from his family (including his daughter) will hurt him deeply and permanently - so I think I could just about live with that.

[tammyy2j]

Are Kat and Alfie getting a mortgage to buy the bar in Spain and that is why medical tests were needed? The won a million pound they wouldn't need a mortgage

Alfie throws his doctor letter away in the Square, someone will find it, Sonia already knows he is sick by his medical questions to her about his friend

Also what did Alfie and Kat take with them, the car was packed, roof and trailer, was it furniture :p everything of theirs burnt

Mick always gives in to Shirley, Buster is right she has two sons she needs to start putting Mick first

I do like the scenes between Mick and Buster

I was expecting the Sr. to tell Stacey or Mo about Kat's son

So will EE address why Kat and Alfie end up in Ireland instead of Spain

[Mo Mouse]

I hope Dot rots in prison. She murdered Ethel now she has murdered her son. It's a pity we don't have The Chair any more. She should be locked up in a violent Borstal where she will get the abuse she deserves. Throw the key away.

[Dazzle]

Are Kat and Alfie getting a mortgage to buy the bar in Spain and that is why medical tests were needed? The won a million pound they wouldn't need a mortgage

I agree - I don't understand why they had to borrow money. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


Also what did Alfie and Kat take with them, the car was packed, roof and trailer, was it furniture :p everything of theirs burnt

They've accumulated a hell of a lot of stuff since the fire, especially since they've been totally brassic! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


Mick always gives in to Shirley, Buster is right she has two sons she needs to start putting Mick first

I really wish Mick wouldn't have a bar of Shirley until she admits Dean raped Linda and apologises profusely! Accepting anything less makes light of Linda's suffering (from the rape itself and the later accusations and harassment). :angry:


So will EE address why Kat and Alfie end up in Ireland instead of Spain

We may get some limited information from Stacey but I think we'll have to wait until the spin-off for any juicy details.

I did think the nun might write to Kat at her old address to tell her about her long lost son. Stacey can then forward the letter to her.

[parkerman]

I hope Dot rots in prison. She murdered Ethel now she has murdered her son. It's a pity we don't have The Chair any more. She should be locked up in a violent Borstal where she will get the abuse she deserves. Throw the key away.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[xx_Dan_xx]

I agree - I don't understand why they had to borrow money. [url=http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/]

It makes some sense. If they dipped, quite a lot, into that million for the bar, starting a new life, etc. They'd have a lot less of a nest egg as opposed to have million pound nest egg and a payable mortgage from a viable business. In all honesty I would do this rather than just blast through the million. That way, I have a million quid, a profitable business and a large interest from the milion.

But then again, Alfie did say he'd buy the Vic for 900k so I dont think they are that smart.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I agree - I don't understand why they had to borrow money. [url=http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/]

It makes some sense. If they dipped, quite a lot, into that million for the bar, starting a new life, etc. They'd have a lot less of a nest egg as opposed to have million pound nest egg and a payable mortgage from a viable business. In all honesty I would do this rather than just blast through the million. That way, I have a million quid, a profitable business and a large interest from the milion.

But then again, Alfie did say he'd buy the Vic for 900k so I dont think they are that smart.

[Kim]

The paternity subject is closed by the careful selection of these blood groups. Any others and it wouldn't have been 100%.

O is indeed recessive meaning that you have to inherit a genotype of OO to be Type O. One gene comes from each parent. You can inherit one A or B gene and one O gene, and the A or B dominate. Inherit an A and B and they are co-dominant.

Buster can be the natural father of both Mick and Dean. He and Shirley must be genotypes AO and BO - passing O's to Mick and the A and B to Dean. Had Dean simply been A or B, they'd have to have got a DNA test as they wouldn't have known whether he was AA, BB, AO or BO. The first two would rule him out, whereas with the second two, he would still have had an O to give.

(That's assuming your medical records don't show your genotype. I don't think they do but I'm not certain.)

[Kim]

It makes some sense. If they dipped, quite a lot, into that million for the bar, starting a new life, etc. They'd have a lot less of a nest egg as opposed to have million pound nest egg and a payable mortgage from a viable business. In all honesty I would do this rather than just blast through the million. That way, I have a million quid, a profitable business and a large interest from the milion.

But then again, Alfie did say he'd buy the Vic for 900k so I dont think they are that smart.

Mick and Linda found a bar in Spain for about 150k, so I think they could've bought everything outright and still had half of it left.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Mick and Linda found a bar in Spain for about 150k, so I think they could've bought everything outright and still had half of it left.

Why lose half of it when u can keep all of it... That way they're maximising the interest from the bank, have a mortgage which is paid for by the bar and kept the 1 mill.

Or.. Look at it this way, the interest for the mill pays for the mortgage meaning a free bar.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[maidmarian]

A few points re Kat&Alfies need to "borrow "
money from bank ?? and for medical tests.

What were their finances pre lottery win-
Did they already owe bank from before?
Even if they were in an IVA -it is possible
for later winnings/legacies to be taken into
account in settling the IVA. That may mean
less available money but then shouldn't
be getting further finance if IVA not settled?

If it was a debt with bank they may have
declared a health condition ( not Alfies new
problem) previously and bank may wish
to check current health.

Re property values. based on estimate for
bar in Spain-further finance seems unnecessary
unless they want to keep a lot of available
capital from Lottery Win. and do as Dan
suggests- Perhaps they had advice from
National Lottery - tho that might be for even
bigger amounts.

No idea what current value of Vic pub is- but
last year there was some publicity about
how unrealistic it was for the residents of
the square to be living there-in their types of
unemploym ent!

The houseprices in the actual Square in Hackney
on which Albert Square is based were at the
time £1million for 3 bed/ 2bath and £662k
as an average! Perhaps Alfies est was correct.!!

The reason for health check is now apparent
-so Alfie would find out his new health problem
and Bank and financing just a means of
doing that.

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[Kim]

Why lose half of it when u can keep all of it... That way they're maximising the interest from the bank, have a mortgage which is paid for by the bar and kept the 1 mill.

Or.. Look at it this way, the interest for the mill pays for the mortgage meaning a free bar.

I doubt they could get interest paid on the whole amount or anywhere close to it. Many accounts will only pay interest up to an amount such as £2,500 and you can only have an account or two with each provider. Even if they could put it all in an ISA, I think they'd still pay more interest on the bar than they received.

It all struck me as a very contrived way to give Alfie bad news.

Re: The value of the Vic, Phil was asking 800k when he sold it. I think Alfie was quite desperate for it so offered above the odds.

[maidmarian]

I doubt they could get interest paid on the whole amount or anywhere close to it. Many accounts will only pay interest up to an amount such as £2,500 and you can only have an account or two with each provider. Even if they could put it all in an ISA, I think they'd still pay more interest on the bar than they received.

It all struck me as a very contrived way to give Alfie bad news.

Re: The value of the Vic, Phil was asking 800k when he sold it. I think Alfie was quite desperate for it so offered above the odds.

I agree whole situation is contrived
and with the points about interest
rates etc available to most investors

I think if you have a lot of money to
invest are prepared to commit for
considerable time accept restrictions
on withdrawals and take some risk -
you can get better rates of interest but
not many people can or wish to do that!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[Dazzle]

Interesting discussion guys. :)

I think Kat and Alfie must have done as Dan suggests and got a mortgage so they could keep hold of their capital. Even if interest on the million didn't pay for the bar they were probably hoping the bar would pay for itself (and their new home) so they could keep their nest egg intact.

The trouble is, as several of you have pointed out, it's just not in character for them to be so sensible (especially given the speed at which it all happened)!

Talking of finances, it's always bugged me where Mick got a bagful of cash (£800,000 was it?) to pay Phil for the Vic. Since it's never been explained or even alluded to the writers must just not want us to think about it too hard! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[maidmarian]

Interesting discussion guys. :)

I think Kat and Alfie must have done as Dan suggests and got a mortgage so they could keep hold of their capital. Even if interest on the million didn't pay for the bar they were probably hoping the bar would pay for itself (and their new home) so they could keep their nest egg intact.

The trouble is, as several of you have pointed out, it's just not in character for them to be so sensible (especially given the speed at which it all happened)!


Talking of finances, it's always bugged me where Mick got a bagful of cash (£800,000 was it?) to pay Phil for the Vic. Since it's never been explained or even alluded to the writers must just not want us to think about it too hard! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

National Lottery provide independent financial
advisors to visit some winners. I found this
applies to winners who.win £500,000+
so.Alfie & Kat would qualify.

They advise to " take your time" and there
can be tax implicationd if you give away
money and then die within ?7years.
Also.how to.make your money last and
provde an income for future yeard.

So.perhaps Alfie took.some advice from
them. I know some advisors think
you should retain as much capital.as possible
(similar to Dan suggestion)

Im sure Im too cautious but who knows if
you got a million or more!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[tammyy2j]

Who would give Alfie and Kat a mortgage given their history of bad debts even if they won a million pounds?

I think EE should do another episode about them explaining why they end up in Ireland instead of Spain to entice viewers to the spin off show

[Glen1]

That would be the logical thing to do Tammy, but I suppose all will be revealed in the first episode of their new series.
Good to see Fat Elvis put in an appearance, liked him. Would have been a good addition to the cast teamed up with Mo imo. Was Mo given any of the winnings, I didn't think so, very selfish of Alfie and Kat ,Mo has been very supportive to them in the past?
Finally did the Convent Sister manage to speak to Kat before they left ?

[Ruffed_lemur]

I was a bit disappointed all those loose ends were left with Kat and Alfie's departure. Would have liked more before they went, and it's a long time to wait until we see them again.

[Ruffed_lemur]

That would be the logical thing to do Tammy, but I suppose all will be revealed in the first episode of their new series.
Good to see Fat Elvis put in an appearance, liked him. Would have been a good addition to the cast teamed up with Mo imo. Was Mo given any of the winnings, I didn't think so, very selfish of Alfie and Kat ,Mo has been very supportive to them in the past?
Finally did the Convent Sister manage to speak to Kat before they left ?

I don't think it was selfish of Kat and Alfie not to give Mo anything. They could go on forever sharing with people.
The Convent Sister didn't catch up with Kat, but wish she had. Guess we'll have to wait a long time to find out what happens next. Unless we hear from another character who's in touch with Kat and Alfie.

[parkerman]

My guess with regard to Alfi & Kat's money, investing, loans etc. is that the producer and scriptwriters made it up as they went along to suit the story they wanted to tell.

[Dazzle]

Was Mo given any of the winnings, I didn't think so, very selfish of Alfie and Kat ,Mo has been very supportive to them in the past?

I imagine they did share some of it with family - or will do in the future. It'd be out of character for them not to do so. It would have been nice to have a line or two of dialogue to that effect!


Finally did the Convent Sister manage to speak to Kat before they left ?

No, she left when she saw how happy Kat is now and realised she didn't want to spoil that. I think she might write to her about it in the future though.

You lot are too impatient to find out how Kat and Alfie end up in Ireland! All will be revealed in good time. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/cool/smileys-cool-525376.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[Dazzle]

Who would give Alfie and Kat a mortgage given their history of bad debts even if they won a million pounds?

I think having a million pounds in the bank forgives a lot of sins. :D


My guess with regard to Alfi & Kat's money, investing, loans etc. is that the producer and scriptwriters made it up as they went along to suit the story they wanted to tell.

That's the best explanation that's been given so far! http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-rolleye-smileys-842.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

[maidmarian]

My guess with regard to Alfi & Kat's money, investing, loans etc. is that the producer and scriptwriters made it up as they went along to suit the story they wanted to tell.

More than likely!
Would that be also your guess as to the source
of Micks £800k -in a bag-to buy Vic .
As mentioned in Dazzles post -??

[maidmarian]

My guess with regard to Alfi & Kat's money, investing, loans etc. is that the producer and scriptwriters made it up as they went along to suit the story they wanted to tell.

More than likely!
Would that be also your guess as to the source
of Micks £800k -in a bag-to buy Vic .
As mentioned in Dazzles post -??

[tammyy2j]

I imagine they did share some of it with family - or will do in the future. It'd be out of character for them not to do so. It would have been nice to have a line or two of dialogue to that effect!



No, she left when she saw how happy Kat is now and realised she didn't want to spoil that. I think she might write to her about it in the future though.

You lot are too impatient to find out how Kat and Alfie end up in Ireland! All will be revealed in good time. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/cool/smileys-cool-525376.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I think Dominic should have written their exit better for the new spin off to entice viewers to watch

[Dazzle]

I think Dominic should have written their exit better for the new spin off to entice viewers to watch

Well all I can say is they've done a good job as far as I'm concerned because I'm very keen to find out what happens next. I didn't know if I'd watch the spin-off when I first found out about it as I don't like Alfie and haven't enjoyed Kat as a character for a long time. However I've been hooked by recent events and definitely want to follow their story now. :)

[parkerman]

Would that be also your guess as to the source
of Micks £800k -in a bag-to buy Vic .
As mentioned in Dazzles post -??

Everyone seems to have wads of cash in EE. They pull out rolls of fifties, twenties or tens from their pocket or wallet. Banks generally seem to be no go areas for the residents of Albert Square...except when they need some money urgently, go to the cash machine and find all their money's gone.

[lizann]

even when anyone is brassic they can afford pub and takeaways

[Perdita]

Common occurrence in all soaps ....

[parkerman]

even when anyone is brassic they can afford pub and takeaways
....and holidays.

[lizann]

kim forking donna wheel was funny

martin marrying stacey before year end yes that will not happen

billy casper friendly ghost also funny

fatima and massod will more likely get together

[Dazzle]

So it's looking like my theory that Dean raped Shabnam isn't going to pan out. I'm still holding out hope that Shabs remembers more about that night though. Even if it's never mentioned again I'll still remain convinced he did because the rapist scumbag thinks he's entitled to take what he wants. :angry:

I feel sorry for poor Roya being brought into that messy situation. :thumbsdow

I really like Fatima and wouldn't be averse to her and Masood having a relationship now that Inzamam is conveniently out of the way.

The scene in the pub between Kim and Donna was very funny even though it felt wrong of me to laugh at Kim piercing Donna's tyre. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Since when has Martin been such a creep? I'm sure he didn't used to be like that. Do we believe him that he and Stacey will be married within the year? Lizann obviously doesn't! :D

[tammyy2j]

Nancy to Mick - think it is easy being a little ******* child :p

I don't want Stacey to come between Kush and Shabham, her with Martin could work even if he tries too much with her coming off as a sleaze better leave that to Max

Kim was great as usual very funny

[tammyy2j]

.

[Dazzle]

I don't want Stacey to come between Kush and Shabham...

The kiss is bound to come out. Did it go any further? Poor Shabs! :(

[tammyy2j]

The kiss is bound to come out. Did it go any further? Poor Shabs! :(

We don't know if it went further but Kat found 2 wine glasses and questioned Stacey who remained coy but does seem smitten with Kush, very quick for her to be after her mate's boyfriend, they never showed any romantic interest in each other before

I don't want Kush and Stacey to have an affair, Kush is better with Shabham

[Dazzle]

I don't want Kush and Stacey to have an affair, Kush is better with Shabham

I don't think Kush has any interest in Stacey. He hasn't been acting guilty so hopefully it was just the kiss. I hope so!

[tammyy2j]

I don't think Kush has any interest in Stacey. He hasn't been acting guilty so hopefully it was just the kiss. I hope so!

I don't know, he was trying to put Martin off her I thought in the pub

[Dazzle]

I don't know, he was trying to putting Martin off her I thought in the pub

I didn't clock that at the time but you might well be right thinking about it. Naughty Kush! :nono:

[LostVoodoo]

I don't know, he was trying to put Martin off her I thought in the pub

I wouldn't wish Martin on anyone these days!

[LostVoodoo]

I don't know, he was trying to put Martin off her I thought in the pub

I wouldn't wish Martin on anyone these days!

[lizann]

kush's mother was funny, seems a good larger than life character

stacey redoing the flat, alfie must have given her plenty dosh to redecorate and get new appliances like a big red fridge or are these martin's

[lizann]

kush's mother was funny, seems a good larger than life character

stacey redoing the flat, alfie must have given her plenty dosh to redecorate and get new appliances like a big red fridge or are these martin's

[Dazzle]

I quite like Kim and Vincent together - if he's genuine about her and treats her right. He's improved a bit I think, although I found the copper who questioned him a better actor. I hope we see the latter again. Maybe he'll be Vincent's nemesis like Mars Bar was Phil's? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/police/smileys-police-181247.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Good way to make it up to your daughter by going behind her back Masood! I understand his concern about "Jade" but rushing round to see her without giving it a lot of consideration was the worst thing he could do. :nono:


kush's mother was funny, seems a good larger than life character

Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised by Bonnie Langford's debut as Kush's mum. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/yes-and-no/smileys-yes-and-no-068329.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


stacey redoing the flat, alfie must have given her plenty dosh to redecorate and get new appliances like a big red fridge or are these martin's

Kat and Alfie's flat's unrecognisable now! It looks like the set's been completely revamped. Martin didn't bring anything with him as far as I know.

[lizann]

I wouldn't wish Martin on anyone these days!

anyone else find him funny, never lived with a woman before, and sonia don't count :rotfl: Couldn't imagine other actor playing martin before being funny like that

[Dazzle]

anyone else find him funny, never lived with a woman before, and sonia don't count :rotfl: Couldn't imagine other actor playing martin before being funny like that

I agree, I think the actor's very good as Martin. I just hope they improve the character's personality!

[tammyy2j]

Stacey's flat looks very different now

Why don't Ronnie move away with Charlie and Matthew?

[flappinfanny]

Bonnie Langford needs to tone it down a little. She is not on the stage of the London Palladium. I half expected Carmel to do a time step down Turpin Road. :D

[lizann]

will kush brother and father be introduced

did mas tell carmel about the child

cant stand ronnie and roxy drama over a man again

[lizann]

will kush brother and father be introduced

did mas tell carmel about the child

cant stand ronnie and roxy drama over a man again

[parkerman]

I wonder if my dad knew Kush's dad. Carmel said he worked in Columbia Road - so did my dad! :)

[lizann]

I wonder if my dad knew Kush's dad. Carmel said he worked in Columbia Road - so did my dad! :)

is vincent kush's dad :p

[lizann]

I wonder if my dad knew Kush's dad. Carmel said he worked in Columbia Road - so did my dad! :)

is vincent kush's dad :p

[tammyy2j]

Kim deserves better than Vincent, she shouldn't be second best

Why would Charlie believe Vincent about Ronnie, he barely knows him

I am thinking maybe Kush's brother could have fostered Shabham's child as he has been mentioned by the mother

[Dazzle]

did mas tell carmel about the child

That's what I was wondering. I enjoyed their conversation in the pub, it seemed very natural.

I'm glad Masood decided not to see Roya but it sounds like he'll change his mind again soon. :nono:

Vincent did seem genuine when he assured Kim he loves her but is childishly stirring things between Ronnie and Charlie so I'm not sure what to make of it. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I like Ronnie and Roxy's sisterly chemistry so I'm glad they've made up (yet again!).

[Dazzle]

It's so out of character for Phil to give into Vincent like that. I can just about accept Ronnie's attitude given her continuing disability and new baby but Phil willingly handing over his business to an enemy?! :nono:

It is in character for him to trample over poor Sharon's wishes however.

So Ronnie and Charlie are going to pretend their respective indiscretions never happened. That's going to work out well... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

(Can I just mention what a relief it is to watch EE without having to spend time with the execrable Dean and his repugnant and ever growing sense of entitlement.)

[lizann]

pearl and kim in matching outfits typical bright colours so kim :p

[Dazzle]

pearl and kim in matching outfits typical bright colours so kim :p

I'm loving Kim being a mother. Pearl's so cute with that thick hair! :D

[tammyy2j]

I think I would have preferred now if Ronnie had died or stayed longer in her coma

[Dazzle]

I like what I've seen of Paul so far. The actor seems good and he has a genuine charm about him (and good comic timing). That's some sizzling chemistry with Ben too. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/kisses/smileys-kisses-738604.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I also like that Paul being cast means more screentime for the Cokers (and Billy). I was sure Les wasn't having an affair with Claudette and that there'd be a twist but it seems I was wrong (again!).

I couldn't help but laugh at Sharon's horrified face when she saw the shambles that's her "father" even though I'm disgusted at Phil for such a cruel trick. Just when I think he can't sink any lower! :angry:

The writers seriously need to stop Sharon being Phil's doormat once and for all. She needs to go through with her threats to leave so he knows he can't get away with treating her badly again. She's correct that he doesn't see her as an equal and that needs to stop if the writers want viewers on board with the relationship. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/police/smileys-police-181247.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[flappinfanny]

Paul reminded me of a young Christian. A good solid start. He even made Ben watchable. Jonny Laby is a good signing. He also oozes sex appeal. :heart: Loved Paul's line to Ben 'and just in case your wonderin, this tan is all over, no white bits.' No wonder Ben's tongue was hanging out, I thought he was going to hyperventilate. :D The line delivered beautifully by Jonny.

Nice scenes with Pam and Paul. Sharon was superb tonight. Lindsey Coulson just owns every scene she is in. I should not have, but I really enjoyed the ep. :cheer:

[lizann]

was that the first scene between ben and lola since his return and he was sticking up for her, cant remember any other scenes of lexi parents together

[Dazzle]

Paul reminded me of a young Christian

I agree with you insofar as Paul's very confident in his sexuality like Christian was, but I can't see it otherwise. I also think Jonny Labey's a far better actor than John Partridge.

[tammyy2j]

I don't understand why Phil is cleaning up Ronnie's mess and giving away his and Sharon's business :angry:

Tangoed Paul made a good debut catching randy granddad Les and his bit on the side and making Ben a happy lad :p

[lizann]

abi and sharon proving women are smart can see the truth even if abi still wants ben

[flappinfanny]

Another very watchable episode. Liking Paul more and more. Nice scenes with Pam. Abi is so funny but scary at the same time. I love Ronnie, she is a Psycho bitch. Sharon was amazing tonight. some great one liners, 'your lucky I don't kick that stick from under ya' :D and a superb Duff Duff. Watch out Phil. :nono:

[Dazzle]

Phil hoist by his own petard! Love it! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/jumping/smileys-jumping-645440.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Sharon was great tonight. I love her when she's strong and not standing for anyone's nonsense. That's the Sharon I want to watch. If she and Phil are going to have a combative, "War of the Roses" type of relationship I can get behind that - as long as she doesn't quickly go back to being his doormat again. :nono:

Ben, Abi and Paul is one love triangle I think I'm going to enjoy watching. I liked Paul even more today and stubborn Abi's obviously going to do anything to hang onto her man! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Shirley's line to Kim about it being The Albert not Southfork was hilarious! :rotfl:

[tammyy2j]

I am expecting Abi to soon start wearing aftershave and dressing like a man now for Ben :p

Sharon should get Max in to help her get Phil

[lizann]

well played sharon

[Dazzle]

I think it was Lizann who predicted Cindy would blackmail Ian and Jane using Bobby. Well done! :clap:

I like how they're having Bobby say things that would seem perfectly innocent to anyone who doesn't know he's a killer. The casual comments about not liking it when the family argue etc sound quite sinister knowing why he battered Lucy. It's particularly effective given he keeps being shown wearing pyjamas similar to those he wore in the reveal episode.

The writers are definitely making a point of reminding us that he's disturbed, though Ian and Jane are dangerously oblivious to it. :eek:

I'm very glad to see Sharon's plan worked and she's kicked Phil out of the house. Please writers don't have her regress to being spineless again! :nono:

[lizann]

could cindy not go live with her aunty if she don't want to be around Beth

kicking her out will most certainly not keep her quite, cindy senior's vicious and cunning side needs to come out in junior cindy

is that really sharon's daddy living in nothing hill, i thought maybe pete and kathy would open the door to her :p

[parkerman]

Cindy phoned her aunty to ask if she could go and live with her, but she was told, no.

[vcdg84]

After all that build up are we not going to find out who Sharon's dad is?

[lizann]

Cindy phoned her aunty to ask if she could go and live with her, but she was told, no.

oh didn't know that, then off to oz to simon and peter

[lizann]

Cindy phoned her aunty to ask if she could go and live with her, but she was told, no.

oh didn't know that, then off to oz to simon and peter

[Dazzle]

After all that build up are we not going to find out who Sharon's dad is?

Of course we are! They're not going to waste an important character like Sharon's real father. They're just making us hang on a bit longer. :D

There's speculation that her father is Kathy's husband (they're both called Gavin) but I suspect it might be the new transgender character. Admittedly it's a coincidence that both characters are called Gavin but as far as I know they were named years ago and completely separately so it could be a genuine coincidence. If Sharon's father does turn out to be the transgender character she'll no longer be called Gavin anyway.

So does anyone believe Phil that there'll be no more games? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I love how the Beales are fracturing under the strain of keeping their secret. I'm surprised they gave Beth up so easily but I suppose their priority is keeping Bobby safe. They're setting themselves up for a big fall there! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked031.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Lovely scene between Pam and Paul. :)

[Glen1]

Was any contact made with Social Services re Beth changing home ? With this storyline and the others forecast, EE should have some good viewing coming up, fingers crossed.:)

[Dazzle]

Was any contact made with Social Services re Beth changing home ?

Nothing was said but no doubt Ian and Jane will inform Social Services that Beth's now living with her father. :)

[parkerman]

Why would you not go and see your father just because you thought he might be rich? Seems a good reason to see him!

[Perdita]

...

[Perdita]

Why would you not go and see your father just because you thought he might be rich? Seems a good reason to see him!

I can imagine that some people would feel overawed by it and it makes it worse if you have never had any contact before ...

[tammyy2j]

Looks like Ian and Jane don't care about Cindy only Beth as Ian kicked her out

I wonder will Cindy move in with Carol and Liam now

So Pam helped her son to die, glad we finally know now, her scenes with Paul are quite sweet and touching

[lizann]

cindy is gone to a mates

roxy is so caring, crying for nick who nearly killed her sister and going to his funeral

[lizann]

cindy is gone to a mates

roxy is so caring, crying for nick who nearly killed her sister and going to his funeral

[Dazzle]

roxy is so caring, crying for nick who nearly killed her sister and going to his funeral

I don't think Roxy's tears were for Nick! Why is she (and Charlie) stupid enough to go behind Ronnie's back? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Paul didn't have any qualms about taking Lola's job. :nono: She was an idiot to just walk off like that, but I thought she deserved a warning not the sack.

The competition between Sharon and Kim to manage The Albert is a bit silly. I thought Vincent had already agreed that Sharon run it. I realise he's letting Kim have her way to keep the peace (and thinks Sharon will win anyway) but he had the perfect excuse that he and Sharon had already reached an agreement.

However, it's good to see Phil backing Sharon instead of undermining her for once.

[tammyy2j]

Roxy needs to take a huge step and back away from Charlie

I don't know why Charlie don't find his own place or move into Dot's house with Ronnie and Matthew or does Ronnie own the house where Roxy lives, I thought Roxy bought it herself from Janine or Michael

[Dazzle]

I don't know why Charlie don't find his own place or move into Dot's house with Ronnie and Matthew or does Ronnie own the house where Roxy lives, I thought Roxy bought it herself from Janine or Michael

I think Ronnie owns the house.

[Kim]

I think Ronnie owns the house.

I'm not sure if she owns it outright but Roxy certainly wouldn't have it without Ronnie as the bank refused her for a mortgage.

[lizann]

why does vincent keep running back when ronnie barks this time to install cameras in the house so she can spy

[parkerman]

So will Phil and the Mitchell famerlee have any part in the Dean comeuppance (assuming there is to be one!)?

[lizann]

I'm not sure if she owns it outright but Roxy certainly wouldn't have it without Ronnie as the bank refused her for a mortgage.

did roxy sale booty to buy the house herself? where does roxy get her money from she has no job so how can she afford her hair extensions

[lizann]

I'm not sure if she owns it outright but Roxy certainly wouldn't have it without Ronnie as the bank refused her for a mortgage.

did roxy sale booty to buy the house herself? where does roxy get her money from she has no job so how can she afford her hair extensions

[maidmarian]

did roxy sale booty to buy the house herself? where does roxy get her money from she has no job so how can she afford her hair extensions

I dont know if Roxy did sell Booty - but if
she did perhaps she kept some of the stock
on hand for herself and has a drawer full
of extensions!:)

[maidmarian]

So will Phil and the Mitchell famerlee have any part in the Dean comeuppance (assuming there is to be one!)?

I meant to ask this question before! Please
Did you mean in generally trouble making
way or specifically because of the Phil/ Shirley
previous connection?
Thankyou.

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[parkerman]

I meant because of what happened in Tuesday's episode with Lola etc. and Phil's threats about what he'd do to Dean if he didn't give her her job back.

[maidmarian]

I meant because of what happened in Tuesday's episode with Lola etc. and Phil's threats about what he'd do to Dean if he didn't give her her job back.

Thankyou. Lets hope Phils at his worst then!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[lizann]

Thankyou. Lets hope Phils at his worst then!!

break his face :p

[lizann]

Thankyou. Lets hope Phils at his worst then!!

break his face :p

[maidmarian]

break his face :p

Yeah-dont leave enough of him to fill a jam jar!
( old saying)!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[Dazzle]

I really detest Masood going behind Shabnam's back about Roya. If he'd tried to convince his daughter for a good while without success I could understand him feeling compelled to check Roya's welfare, but he hasn't shown any empathy for his daughter's state of mind at all. I'm sure he used to be nicer and less judgemental (although I do remember his awful reaction to finding out Syed was gay of course). :searchme:

Another thing I hate is Roxy and Charlie telling Ronnie she's paranoid. If she is, it's only because their behaviour's made her so. They don't seem to be having an affair, but skulking around, excluding Ronnie and flirting is hardly innocent behaviour and would create suspicion in even the most stable person.

I really applaud that EE have had Ronnie's recovery take what seems like a realistic amount of time. Other soaps have people get up out of bed after long comas without any physical problems (coincidentally that's just happened in Home and Away). In reality people are left with huge disabilities (sometimes permanently) when their muscles and connective tissues shrivel up after months of disuse. :(


why does vincent keep running back when ronnie barks this time to install cameras in the house so she can spy

Ronnie chucked Vincent out after he refused to help so I think it was Ben who installed the cameras. I can't think of any other reason for having him and Abi over to cook that bizarre dinner (and Ronnie's called on his help before).

I'm growing to like Vincent (though he still had feelings for Ronnie no matter what he says to Kim). :nono:


So will Phil and the Mitchell famerlee have any part in the Dean comeuppance (assuming there is to be one!)?

I'd take that over nothing but it wouldn't be as satisfying as a comeuppance specifically linked to the rape. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/yes-and-no/smileys-yes-and-no-084887.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)


did roxy sale booty to buy the house herself? where does roxy get her money from she has no job so how can she afford her hair extensions

I think Ronnie bought the house about the same time she bought the gym (after she stole the money from Phil). I presume Roxy's long since run through the money from the sale of Booty just as she did Archie's £3 million.

Roxy earns money from working at The Albert. Remember she was there last week when she got Liam drunk.


Yeah-dont leave enough of him to fill a jam jar!
( old saying)!!

That's a new one on me but I love it (and I wouldn't be averse to it happening to Dean)! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[lizann]

quick profit turnover if massod hired roxy his first employee already, alan sugar and ian beale watch out, hire max next massod

stacey and lacey are better than another affair storyline

[lizann]

quick profit turnover if massod hired roxy his first employee already, alan sugar and ian beale watch out, hire max next massod

stacey and lacey are better than another affair storyline

[Dazzle]

So Masood turns to a rapist's family in his quest for Roya. :wall:

I loved Ronnie's evil smirk when she thought she was getting rid of Roxy. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I like that Carol's cancer storyline is ongoing and hasn't been forgotten.

Kush and Stacey! :thumbsdow

I'm feeling really sorry for Shabnam at the moment. I hope she finds peace and gets to be a mother to Roya one day.

[lizann]

getting bladdered just like kat well done stacey

has massod told zainab about shabham's daughter, if she knew she would be round quick not wanting shirley involved

does jade have same illness as jimbob

[lizann]

getting bladdered just like kat well done stacey

has massod told zainab about shabham's daughter, if she knew she would be round quick not wanting shirley involved

does jade have same illness as jimbob

[Perdita]

Looks like she might have

Even the likes of Shirley could not just barge into a stranger's home the way she did :angry::wall:

[tammyy2j]

If Jade/Roya dies from cystic fibrosis same as Jimbo, this isn't only a punishment/comeuppance for Dean but also Shabham, Massod and Shirley and their families. I don't think after a crime such as rape this a is a severe or good final justice and comeuppance for Dean Wicks. :angry:

[parkerman]

Have I missed something somewhere - either in Eastenders or British law?

What is all this about "Just go and get her"?

[tammyy2j]

Have I missed something somewhere - either in Eastenders or British law?

What is all this about "Just go and get her"?

Yes Mas has his own rules and laws and no logic as only Roya/Jade's real family can love her :angry:

[lizann]

Have I missed something somewhere - either in Eastenders or British law?

What is all this about "Just go and get her"?

who would give shirley a kid, she has no proper home or job, going in getting her is that not called kidnap

[lizann]

Have I missed something somewhere - either in Eastenders or British law?

What is all this about "Just go and get her"?

who would give shirley a kid, she has no proper home or job, going in getting her is that not called kidnap

[Dazzle]

I agree with all your comments about the Roya storyline. It was pretty absurd last night. Perhaps Dean will run away from being a father when he realises how tough it is to cope with a sick child, and come to realise he's as bad as Shirley? (BTW I wish she'd treat herself to a haircut in Blades!)

I didn't realise Oliver was still in hospital. I was glad to see Linda putting her foot down with Shirley.

Kush wants to have his cake and eat it too! :wall:

I'm loving twisted stalker Ronnie. She probably spends all her time in her room spying and trying to catch Roxy and Charlie in the act. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-695223.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Isn't Roxy working at The Albert any more?

[lizann]

my understanding is roxy only helps sharon in albert sometimes not employed full or part time

[Dazzle]

my understanding is roxy only helps sharon in albert sometimes not employed full or part time

Thanks, I think you must be right. :)

[lizann]

if dean's kid has the cf gene/illness the same as jimbob does this mean kevin is not jimbob's daddy is buster then or is kevin really dean's daddy, perhaps someone more medically knowledgeable about cf can clear this up for me please

[parkerman]

As far as I understand it, cf is a hereditary disease. Both parents have to pass on the gene, you can't just develop cf from one parent though you can still be a carrier and pass it on to the next generation. It means Shirley must have the defective gene as a carrier. It wouldn't rule out Buster also being a carrier. Incidentally it means Shabnam must have the defective gene as well, which she must have inherited from either Mas or Zainab.

[lizann]

when shirley gave mick dean's blood group she took from tests done on dean when jimbob died and he was clear of cf

[parkerman]

I don't remember that, but if Dean doesn't have the defective gene, he can't be Jade's father.

[Kim]

As far as I understand it, cf is a hereditary disease. Both parents have to pass on the gene, you can't just develop cf from one parent though you can still be a carrier and pass it on to the next generation. It means Shirley must have the defective gene as a carrier. It wouldn't rule out Buster also being a carrier. Incidentally it means Shabnam must have the defective gene as well, which she must have inherited from either Mas or Zainab.

This is correct.

There are two copies of the gene, one inherited from each parent. You either inherit two normal genes and are totally clear, one faulty gene and one normal (in which case you are a carrier but not affected) or two faulty genes (in which case you actually have CF.)

Many carriers (Shabnam, probably) won't know that they are carriers. Dean should know that he is because of the tests and it'll be poor continuity if this isn't picked up (the prior dialogue could have been interpreted as meaning that Dean was totally clear, in which case, this has come out of nowhere.) Unless of course Shirley found out that Dean was a carrier and didn't tell him. Incidentally, these tests are a retcon as Shirley had done a bunk before Jimbo died, leaving Kevin with a terminally ill child and two children that weren't his.

Given this producer's liking of retconning Shirley's backstory to make her more likeable, I'm waiting for the claim that Shirley knew that Buster wasn't a carrier, therefore her cheating on Kevin and having Dean with Buster is somehow acceptable because she knew that the child would be a carrier at most!

In Shirley and Kevin and Shabnam and Dean's cases, they had a 25% chance of having an unaffected child, a 50% chance of having a carrier and a 25% chance of having a child with CF.

[lizann]

dtc and his writers should have done extensive research on cf for the storyline

[maidmarian]

This is correct.

There are two copies of the gene, one inherited from each parent. You either inherit two normal genes and are totally clear, one faulty gene and one normal (in which case you are a carrier but not affected) or two faulty genes (in which case you actually have CF.)

Many carriers (Shabnam, probably) won't know that they are carriers. Dean should know that he is because of the tests and it'll be poor continuity if this isn't picked up (the prior dialogue could have been interpreted as meaning that Dean was totally clear, in which case, this has come out of nowhere.) Unless of course Shirley found out that Dean was a carrier and didn't tell him. Incidentally, these tests are a retcon as Shirley had done a bunk before Jimbo died, leaving Kevin with a terminally ill child and two children that weren't his.

Given this producer's liking of retconning Shirley's backstory to make her more likeable, I'm waiting for the claim that Shirley knew that Buster wasn't a carrier, therefore her cheating on Kevin and having Dean with Buster is somehow acceptable because she knew that the child would be a carrier at most!

In Shirley and Kevin and Shabnam and Dean's cases, they had a 25% chance of having an unaffected child, a 50% chance of having a carrier and a 25% chance of having a child with CF.

Thankyou very much for this interesting
and informative post.
Also for info about the retconning. I wasn't
able to watch EE very much at the time of
Jimbobs illness so that Shirleys behaviour
tho not surprising - was news to me!

There are theories that your blood group
can make you more prone to certain
illnesses. Do.you know if this applies to
Cystic Fibrosis?

I still.wonder why they made Dean blood type
AB which is very rare if it was to have no
significance . They could have established
that Mick was Olivers father without Dean
having a rare group.

I did wonder if it might play a part in Deans
own paternity. Perhaps another retcon on the
way !!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[maidmarian]

dtc and his writers should have done extensive research on cf for the storyline

The Cystic Fibrosis Trust have said they are
working with the BBC on the storyline- but
that may mean the diagnosis development
& treatnent of the disease- rather than
genetic causes!

[maidmarian]

dtc and his writers should have done extensive research on cf for the storyline

The Cystic Fibrosis Trust have said they are
working with the BBC on the storyline- but
that may mean the diagnosis development
& treatnent of the disease- rather than
genetic causes!

[Kim]

Thankyou very much for this interesting
and informative post.
Also for info about the retconning. I wasn't
able to watch EE very much at the time of
Jimbobs illness so that Shirleys behaviour
tho not surprising - was news to me!

There are theories that your blood group
can make you more prone to certain
illnesses. Do.you know if this applies to
Cystic Fibrosis?

I still.wonder why they made Dean blood type
AB which is very rare if it was to have no
significance . They could have established
that Mick was Olivers father without Dean
having a rare group.

I did wonder if it might play a part in Deans
own paternity. Perhaps another retcon on the
way !!

Jimbo was never a character that appeared on screen. He died in the backstory, I think in 2001. When Kevin died, he gave Shirley a message that Jimbo had wanted to give her while he was on his deathbed. Shirley first appeared when she decided to track down Carly and Dean. This producer has done quite a few retcons where Shirley is concerned. When Shirley found the kids, they didn't realise who she was as they had no memory of her because she'd walked out when they were so little. All of a sudden this producer changes the ages and Dean was about 7 when she walked. There was also a story that Kevin and Shirley used to take Mick drinking when he was a teenager, but I doubt they'd have done so as they'd have had a sick Jimbo to contend with by this time. I always go by the original versions where there is a retcon. This was all established in 2006/7. Carly and Dean thought that they were Kevin's children until Shirley dropped the bombshell because Kevin wanted her to leave Walford.

I have not heard this theory, but if true, I would doubt it has anything to do with CF as CF is determined by the inheritance of a single gene from each parent.

I doubt Dean's parentage will come up again. Although technically not a retcon, this producer has already got creative with it in making Dean Buster's son. When Carly and Dean discovered that Kevin wasn't their biological father, Carly asked who was. Shirley told her that her father's name was Daniel. Dean said something else, to which Shirley replied that he wasn't Dean's dad and it was implied that Shirley didn't know who was. Now we've had the Mick twist, it does work that Shirley would not have named Buster at that time for fear that Dean would track him down and discover the truth about Mick (remember that Buster knew he was Mick's dad but didn't know about Dean.)

Dean was given the rare blood group AB as it was the only group he could have had that would have 100% ruled him out as Ollie's father. I'm still surprised they went this way rather than dragging it out to a DNA test. With the blood types, we inherit one allele from each parent. This combination decides what blood group we are. The only alleles are A, B and O. O is recessive (both parents have to give an O to produce a Type O child.) A and B are both dominant, so when a person inherits both of these as in Dean's case, they're AB and we know their makeup also. Had they made Dean an A or a B, it wouldn't have been case closed as we wouldn't have known whether his alleles were AA, AO, BB or BO. All of these combinations are just known as Type A or Type B (since the A or B dominates over the O) but unless Dean was AB, he could therefore have had an O to give, despite not being Type O himself.

[Kim]

The Cystic Fibrosis Trust have said they are
working with the BBC on the storyline- but
that may mean the diagnosis development
& treatnent of the disease- rather than
genetic causes!

The line of dialogue would have been down to an individual writer. I doubt any writers would have been working with the charity to know how it is inherited, since so many of them will be writing episodes during the course of the storyline. Someone higher up or even DTC himself should have noticed the error, or the fact that Shirley wasn't around when Jimbo died to get any tests done on the surviving children (and if they wanted the tests to have been done, at least acknowledge that it was Kevin who would have got them done.) Odd pieces of dialogue like this slip through these days (I think soaps used to have dedicated continuity staff, but now don't to save money) - just look at Corrie last week. That was much more glaring than this.

We hear quite often that they're working with xyz charity, but I have to wonder how much notice they actually take and how happy the charities are with how the storylines concerned eventually play out. They worked with a charity during Kat's storyline, but it was then rushed, done with no depiction of Kat actually giving a statement or meeting any other victims; and included no mention of Kat blaming herself for the abuse of these other children because she didn't report her abuse to the authorities at the time. I'd have thought many people in her situation would feel at least partially responsible. They also had various impossibilities in that storyline, including Kat saying that the other victims were going to court. This is wrong as it doesn't go to court when the accused is dead, it's all done through the Criminal Injuries Board.

[Perdita]

I sure don't want to excuse sloppy research/writing of storylines but I can imagine that a lot of impacts events have on people in real life and their reactions might get watered down for soaps in order to minimise upset for viewers affected by the storyline and also legal issues ... ??

[lizann]

did mick and his family get tested especially now baby ollie

[Dazzle]

I've just had a look at the episode where Shirley finds Dean's blood tests and all she says is "You had a load of tests done after Jimbo died" (see here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFTSas1D7k) at about 7.55). It was probably kept very vague deliberately so the writers didn't paint themselves into a corner.

I don't mind the subtle retconning of Shirley's backstory. It was invented when she was a one-dimensional villain brought in to stir up the Wicks family. There was no way to know what a successful character she'd become, or that a future producer would want to thoroughly delve into her backstory. The changes add to the character and to the story in my opinion.

I'm sure giving Jade CF is being done at least partially to redeem Shirley for abandoning Jimbo when he was dying - which I'm not against at all. I always liked Shirley as a character up until the rape storyline. She was thoroughly nasty at times but Linda Henry's talents as an actress meant there was always more to Shirley than was written in the script.

[Kim]

I've just had a look at the episode where Shirley finds Dean's blood tests and all she says is \\"You had a load of tests done after Jimbo died\\" (see here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFTSas1D7k) at about 7.55). It was probably kept very vague deliberately so the writers didn't paint themselves into a corner.

I don't mind the subtle retconning of Shirley's backstory. It was invented when she was a one-dimensional villain brought in to stir up the Wicks family. There was no way to know what a successful character she'd become, or that a future producer would want to thoroughly delve into her backstory. The changes add to the character and to the story in my opinion.

I'm sure giving Jade CF is being done at least partially to redeem Shirley for abandoning Jimbo when he was dying - which I'm not against at all. I always liked Shirley as a character up until the rape storyline. She was thoroughly nasty at times but Linda Henry's talents as an actress meant there was always more to Shirley than was written in the script.

I agree, the redeeming of Shirley was the first thing I thought of. I think it could be really good viewing in the future if Shabnam and Kush got to talking about children and Shabnam wouldn't commit until he got tested (it's a 25% risk if he is, but with a family history of the disease, I'd imagine it's a risk that some choose not to take.)

Also agree re: the tests. Shirley knowing about them and having the paperwork is more of a stretch.

[tammyy2j]

If tests were done on Carly and Dean after Jimbo then Shirley would know if Dean had the Cystic Fibrosis gene but if she was absent at this time only Kevin then would know and he is dead and if Shirley didn't read the test results or couldn't understand them, she or Dean don't know

[Dazzle]

If tests were done on Carly and Dean after Jimbo then Shirley would know if Dean had the Cystic Fibrosis gene but if she was absent at this time only Kevin then would know and he is dead and if Shirley didn't read the test results or couldn't understand them, she or Dean don't know

I think that's the only way to explain it. Shirley wasn't around after Jimbo died so she probably didn't know about the tests until she came into possession of the paperwork after Kevin's death. She might have flipped through them and known vaguely what they were without looking at the results in detail. You'd think she'd have known CF was genetic though given her experience with Jimbo.

[tammyy2j]

I think that's the only way to explain it. Shirley didn't say "we got you tested" so it was probably Kevin who did it. The papers could have been in his effects, which have ended up with Shirley. She might have flipped through them and known what they were without looking at the results in detail. You'd think she'd have known CF was genetic though given her experience with Jimbo.

I would have thought though Denise as Kevin's wife would get his effects

[Dazzle]

I would have thought though Denise as Kevin's wife would get his effects

Maybe she gave the stuff about the kids to Shirley at some point?

[Kim]

I would have thought though Denise as Kevin's wife would get his effects

I think we're supposed to assume that Shirley got a load of stuff from Pat's house last year when she found that home video. Denise lived there at the time of Kevin's passing.

[tammyy2j]

Maybe she gave the stuff about the kids to Shirley at some point?

Yes perhaps but I would have thought giving to Dean or Carly directly would be the better option

[Dazzle]

Yes perhaps but I would have thought giving to Dean or Carly directly would be the better option

I think Kim's probably right that Shirley got the stuff from Pat's house.

If Denise did give it to Shirley it might have been because she wasn't in touch with either Carly or Dean at the time.

[lizann]

apologies all as i assumed dean's tests were clear

[Kim]

I think Kim's probably right that Shirley got the stuff from Pat's house.

If Denise did give it to Shirley it might have been because she wasn't in touch with either Carly or Dean at the time.

Denise having given the stuff to Shirley in the absence of the children would also fit. Carly left to go travelling shortly after the funeral. She asked for Kevin's wedding ring but I don't recall her taking anything else. Dean was in prison and left Walford almost as soon as he was released.

[Dazzle]

apologies all as i assumed dean's tests were clear

No apologies necessary. :)

[lizann]

where does shirley store personal belongings

[Kim]

A vodka bottle? :lol: I don't know, Shirley doesn't seem the type to me that would be able to keep even important papers safe. Once she'd read the results and known that none of the others had CF, it's a bit strange that she would think to keep them.

She went upstairs in Kim's place to get them when Mick came round, so up there presumably. I don't think she'll have a great deal with her as she's living in someone else's house, aside from anything else.

[sarah c]

where does shirley store personal belongings

in the pocket of her beige mac?

[maidmarian]

in the pocket of her beige mac?

I think your reply must be a contender for
the " Tact & Diplomacy Award of the Month"!!

Compared to some Ive heard!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[lizann]

what a jealous bitch stacey is, kush should stick with shabham

[Ruffed_lemur]

what a jealous bitch stacey is, kush should stick with shabham

Well he keeps saying he loves Shabnam so it shouldn't be a problem for him. Stacey can't help her feelings.

[tammyy2j]

I hope Kush stays strong and resists Stacey but he is a man after all and they all think with their bottom end brains :p this Stacey and Kush attraction has came out of nowhere and Kush's mom may prefer Stacey for Kush than Shabham as she gets on better with her

Now that EE have established that Ronnie owes the house, why don't Roxy and Amy move out or go abroad to visit Peggy and Grant for a holiday of course if she can afford any

I enjoyed the song and dance but it need Tamwar involved

[parkerman]

Great opening scene tonight....Winston was in it.:D

[lizann]

Great opening scene tonight....Winston was in it.:D

he should have been part of 1 eastend direction

[Dazzle]

The singing and dancing was a lot of fun. Nice to see Shabs look genuinely happy for once (even though it didn't last long).


what a jealous bitch stacey is, kush should stick with shabham

They're both behaving badly in my opinion, but Kush is worse because he's made a commitment to Shabnam. Would any decent man chase another woman at his engagement party? Kush is written as a nice guy so this lusting after Stacey makes no sense to me.

I really thought Stacey'd matured during her time away. :wall:

I should have guessed Shirley had been on a bender after seeing Jade. I just wish Dean wasn't going to find out the truth about her not being adopted.

[tammyy2j]

Kush was written as a nice guy but this so called "attraction or lust" between him and Stacey has came out of nowhere

[lizann]

thought it was vincent in bed with roxy not dean, dtc really punishing dean

kush's mam was good with bushra

[lizann]

thought it was vincent in bed with roxy not dean, dtc really punishing dean

kush's mam was good with bushra

[parkerman]

I thought tonight's episode was just appalling. What with the continued rehabilitation of Dean, Masood's completely over the top shouty nonsense sacrificing his daughter for a girl he's never seen and the looks between Kush and Stacey....aaarrrggghhh!!!!

I can't help thinking that DTC has completely lost the plot and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Either that or viewers will be leaving in their droves.

[Dazzle]

I thought tonight's episode was just appalling. What with the continued rehabilitation of Dean, Masood's completely over the top shouty nonsense sacrificing his daughter for a girl he's never seen and the looks between Kush and Stacey....aaarrrggghhh!!!!

I can't help thinking that DTC has completely lost the plot and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Either that or viewers will be leaving in their droves.

Showing Dean in bed with Roxy was in extremely poor taste. DTC's sunk so low in my estimation. :thumbsdow

I know one person who's stopped watching due to the Dean situation and more who are on the verge. The viewing figures must be going down. I'm interested in Shabnam's story at the moment and I want to find out if she can be a mother to Jade. Ronnie's paranoia's good too. Otherwise I don't know if there'd be enough to keep me watching due to Dean's unwelcome presence.

The Kush/Stacey situation is just pathetic and out of character, and drunken Shirley's never entertaining.

[tammyy2j]

Was Amy and Matthew with Charlie and Ronnie?

[Dazzle]

Was Amy and Matthew with Charlie and Ronnie?

Yes, he mentioned they were both in bed.

[lizann]

did buster have a light bulb truth realisation moment about dean being a rapist, roxy is an idiot

[Jessie Wallace]

If I stopped watching a show, just because of one character that I didn't like I don't think I'd have any programmes left to watch!!

[lizann]

If I stopped watching a show, just because of one character that I didn't like I don't think I'd have any programmes left to watch!!

its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cf

i probably will not stop watching but i understand by why some viewers are tuning out

her daughter wakes having a nightmare and roxy chooses to leave her alone and chase a rapist, idiot

[lizann]

If I stopped watching a show, just because of one character that I didn't like I don't think I'd have any programmes left to watch!!

its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cf

i probably will not stop watching but i understand by why some viewers are tuning out

her daughter wakes having a nightmare and roxy chooses to leave her alone and chase a rapist, idiot

[Dazzle]

I couldn't watch tonight after reading the summary and knowing I'd have to sit through another Dean pity party. I've decided I'm not going to give up on EE altogether at the moment but won't watch any episodes that concentrate on him, and will fast forward any of his scenes in the episodes I do watch (I always record and watch it a bit later).


If I stopped watching a show, just because of one character that I didn't like I don't think I'd have any programmes left to watch!!

It's not a matter of disliking Dean. I really detest him and he makes my skin crawl. I can't bear to watch him. :sick:


its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cf

Well said!

I've been thinking about Dean compared to Archie Mitchell, a despicable character if there ever was one. He even raped his own teenage daughter!

The huge difference between Dean and Archie is in the writing and acting. Archie was portrayed as a villain and never given storylines that showed him in a sympathetic light. Also Larry Lamb acted him in a very sinister manner. There was no doubt in viewers' minds that we were supposed to detest Archie and want to see him punished.

The way Dean's being portrayed means he has many fans who find him "complex" and "vulnerable" (yes, I've seen these distasteful posts elsewhere) and almost treat him as the victim of the storyline. This really illustrates our concerns that Dean is not being written and acted as a villain, which minimises rape as a crime and encourages victim blaming in my opinion. (I'm not saying the DTC and his team are doing this deliberately but unfortunately this is how it's coming across to some of us.)

I find the writing extremely manipulative and frustrating and the whole thing leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. :angry:

[Dazzle]

Having said the above, I didn't watch tonight's episode so didn't see Dean nearly admit his guilt to Buster. Do any of you feel this was a positive step in the storyline?

[lizann]

Having said the above, I didn't watch tonight's episode so didn't see Dean nearly admit his guilt to Buster. Do any of you feel this was a positive step in the storyline?

it will be positive if buster does something, like disown dean and tell shirley and mick not just forget and go into denial (which is what i think shirley is in)

[lizann]

jade's foster dad no problem taking cash to dna test he is a shaddy character how is he a foster dad to a cf kid

[Dazzle]

it will be positive if buster does something, like disown dean and tell shirley and mick not just forget and go into denial (which is what i think shirley is in)

Well I won't get my hopes up this time. I celebrated Buster being deeply suspicious of Dean weeks ago but that came to absolutely nothing. :wall:

[parkerman]

Sorry, I'm a bit behind with this but, like Dazzle, I didn't see last night's episode live and have only just seen it. I have to say I was appalled by the continuing and rapid rehabilitation of Dean and his sympathetic portrayal.

I am very rapidly approaching the point when I will just be unable to watch EE any longer.

[maidmarian]

Sorry, I'm a bit behind with this but, like Dazzle, I didn't see last night's episode live and have only just seen it. I have to say I was appalled by the continuing and rapid rehabilitation of Dean and his sympathetic portrayal.

I am very rapidly approaching the point when I will just be unable to watch EE any longer.

I got behind with the episodes too and think -I
must catch up- then think Do I really
want too??. I.dont want to.give up
for one character- but I do wish they would
sort it. Perception of. other characters are
being affected and not favourably!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[lizann]

does buster want to keep dean away from jade that's he took the dna results

[Kim]

does buster want to keep dean away from jade that's he took the dna results

He may do. I think he suspects that Linda is telling the truth and therefore, it would be for the best. A rapist is the last person you want near a child, even if he happens to be her father.

[Ruffed_lemur]

He may do. I think he suspects that Linda is telling the truth and therefore, it would be for the best. A rapist is the last person you want near a child, even if he happens to be her father.

I agree. After seeing that mad look in Dean's eyes at the salon, I think Buster fears what Dean is capable of. I hope Shabnam thinks again about Jade.

[Dazzle]

I am very rapidly approaching the point when I will just be unable to watch EE any longer.

I'm in the same boat. I didn't watch Thursday's episode and fast forwarded any scenes including Dean in Friday's. The problem is he's featuring so heavily at the moment that it gets irritating to keep forwarding constantly. Also, I caught him doing up his zip after a session with Roxy which was enough to make me feel queasy. :sick:


does buster want to keep dean away from jade that's he took the dna results

Yes I'd say Buster's worried about Dean being around Jade. It's heartening that at least one person is questioning his suitability to be a parent. However, it's really infuriating they're trying to twist it so Dean's mentally ill now. He wasn't ill when he raped Linda or when he harassed her for months beforehand. He knew exactly what he was doing. Is this how they're going to try to absolve him of guilt?

Stacey using Martin to forget Kush. :thumbsdow

I enjoyed the mention of Arthur but I must admit that, as much as I like James Bye, I find it hard to think of him as Pauline and Arthur's Martin. I suppose that'll change with time.

[Jessie Wallace]

its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cf

i probably will not stop watching but i understand by why some viewers are tuning out

her daughter wakes having a nightmare and roxy chooses to leave her alone and chase a rapist, idiot

Dean not being punished etc... is a sad fact of life. Having been in a very similar situation myself. Also having sat through many different therapy sessions, justice is a very rare thing with Rape cases and I believe that is realistic truth they are trying to portray.

[Dazzle]

Dean not being punished etc... is a sad fact of life. Having been in a very similar situation myself. Also having sat through many different therapy sessions, justice is a very rare thing with Rape cases and I believe that is realistic truth they are trying to portray.

Sorry to hear about your dreadful experience. :( I've been affected by a similar rape to Linda's too (through someone close to me).

While I don't deny portraying Linda as not getting justice is showing reality, they could do it just as well by having Dean leave the square. We don't want to watch his life going on as normal. The writers could easily make it clear that it was without us having to witness his sleazy bunk-ups and constant whingeing about how unfair his life is. (I do understand that some rape victims have no choice but to live in close proximity to their attackers, but this is a TV show and there's a limit to what they should expect viewers to swallow.)

To add insult to injury Dean's been promoted to a major character and is currently central to several storyline threads - and evidently will be for some time to come.

Also, Matt di Angelo made clear in a recent interview that the writers have changed their minds about Dean getting comeuppance (at least any time soon). This has led to confusion and inconsistencies in the writing, and a vocal minority of viewers sympathising with HIS plight over Linda's. :angry:

Far more time's being spent on his state of mind than ever was on Linda's, making HIM him the focus of the rape storyline (and sometimes, it seems to many of us, the victim). It's very, very wrong.

[lizann]

Dean not being punished etc... is a sad fact of life. Having been in a very similar situation myself. Also having sat through many different therapy sessions, justice is a very rare thing with Rape cases and I believe that is realistic truth they are trying to portray.

sorry to hear that

linda and dean cant live both on the square he has to go, shirley, denise and buster disown him tell everyone he is a rapist he has to leave then

[lizann]

Dean not being punished etc... is a sad fact of life. Having been in a very similar situation myself. Also having sat through many different therapy sessions, justice is a very rare thing with Rape cases and I believe that is realistic truth they are trying to portray.

sorry to hear that

linda and dean cant live both on the square he has to go, shirley, denise and buster disown him tell everyone he is a rapist he has to leave then

[Jessie Wallace]

sorry to hear that

linda and dean cant live both on the square he has to go, shirley, denise and buster disown him tell everyone he is a rapist he has to leave then

Sadly people still have to live around or near the person that has raped them. I can see both sides, but still feel they are portraying the devastation at is reality however upsetting that is to watch.

[Jessie Wallace]

Dup

[Dazzle]

Sadly people still have to live around or near the person that has raped them. I can see both sides, but still feel they are portraying the devastation at is reality however upsetting that is to watch.

I respect you speak from a place of experience on this subject.

My view is that if they felt they really had to go down the route of showing reality, they should at the very least be portraying Dean objectively. Having spent time perusing other forums, the more malleable viewers are starting to forget he's a rapist and aren't disgusted by his continued presence on the square. So if the intention is to provoke outrage at how unjust our system is for rape victims, it's not working.

Many feel the same as I do, but I've been dismayed to notice a subtle change in the tide of opinion the past couple of days, no doubt largely down to sympathy for Dean because Jade has cystic fibrosis.

Also, it's very contrived that they still live on top of each other though. Mick and Linda are in a position to sell up and move away. It's even been mentioned but some lame excuse was made. Given how badly the rape has affected the entire family, I think they would have done anything to get away from Dean in reality.

Neither Mick, Linda and the kids or Dean have lived in Albert Square for very long so keeping them all there feels unnatural.

I think this story's connection to reality is extremely tenuous and getting more so by the episode. :wall:

[lizann]

how can shirley and dean get jade?

when will buster or shirley tell massod and shabham jade is sick with cf

[Dazzle]

I actually watched the Buster and Dean scenes last night because I'm interested in Buster's attitude to Dean now he's seen the light (or at least a glimmer of it). It seemed he actually talked a bit of sense into the rapist until Shirley interfered. :angry:


how can shirley and dean get jade?

Hopefully, they wouldn't have a chance of getting custody in real life but EE is sur-real life so anything's possible. :thumbsdow

I really, really hope Shabnam will fight Shirley and Dean for custody when she finds out what they're up to. Maybe fear of Jade being exposed to a bitter, entitled predator (am I describing Dean or Shirley? :hmm:) will give her a much-needed wake up call?

Of course, if Buster's genuinely troubled about Dean's effect on Jade, he could easily put the kibosh on any custody arrangement by informing Social Services about Dean's temper. Sadly, I can't see him going so far...


when will buster or shirley tell massod and shabham jade is sick with cf

The Masoods are of no importance to selfish Shirley and Dean. :wall:

I really thought we'd seen the end of the harassment of Linda. Thank goodness she's feeling stronger and is able to shrug it off now.

[tammyy2j]

Did Denise or Kim get Patrick anything even a card for Father's Day?

Anthony could have sent him a card at least, does he call Denise even to check on his father

[parkerman]

There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.

They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:

[Dazzle]

There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.

They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:

Don't go giving them ideas (on the off-chance they haven't already thought of it)... :nono:

[Perdita]

:ninja:Another funeral attended for the wrong deceased????

[lizann]

There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.

They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:

paul is vincent after surgery just like usa soaps:p far fetched ott storylines is the way uk ones are going

[lizann]

There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.

They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:

paul is vincent after surgery just like usa soaps:p far fetched ott storylines is the way uk ones are going

[Kim]

There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.

They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:

Surely not.

I'm 99% sure that Paul's body was identified by Patrick. The viewers didn't see the body but we saw his reaction.

Or are we going to get a convoluted explanation that the mortuary staff were in on some scheme and allowed Paul to lie there and play dead?

That would still be beyond belief, as I belive that Paul had been dead for 2 months before his body was recovered.

[sarah c]

Surely not.

I'm 99% sure that Paul's body was identified by Patrick. The viewers didn't see the body but we saw his reaction.

Or are we going to get a convoluted explanation that the mortuary staff were in on some scheme and allowed Paul to lie there and play dead?

That would still be beyond belief, as I belive that Paul had been dead for 2 months before his body was recovered.

without being gross at tea time - after two months how recognisable would Paul's body have been????

[sarah c]

and why have we never solved the mystery of who was in the coffin at Nick Cotton's first funeral????

[Dazzle]

and why have we never solved the mystery of who was in the coffin at Nick Cotton's first funeral????

I think it was mentioned that Les Coker acquired the corpse. It was possibly an unclaimed body?

[Kim]

without being gross at tea time - after two months how recognisable would Paul's body have been????

More recognisable than Den's after a year in water hopefully.

Would they not have checked dental records etc in order to establish it was Paul before contacting Patrick? Or has someone conveniently planted Paul's driving licence etc on the body...

[parkerman]

Surely not.

I'm 99% sure that Paul's body was identified by Patrick. The viewers didn't see the body but we saw his reaction.



You are 100% correct. Patrick did identify the body....but when did a little thing like that ever stop EE from introducing a new ridiculous storyline?

[lizann]

well spotted nancy, good on her telling stacey the truth

[tammyy2j]

I hate the writing for Stacey lately, chasing after Kush so another bloody affair for her, she should be used more as a friend and confidant for Linda, in the rape storyline to help catch Dean out

I also like Stacey and Shabham's friendship so don't want that ruined

[Dazzle]

I love Pearl! She's such a placid baby - unlike a certain little girl of a similar age I know... :D

At least Buster had the decency to tell Masood about Jade's cystic fibrosis. The latter seemed strangely unperturbed by the news though. :searchme:

Shirley's determined to go against Buster (and Dean's) wishes to force Jade and her father together. I can't believe I once liked Shirley (some of the time at least)! She's a completely one-dimensional vindictive harridan nowadays and I can't imagine ever liking her again.

It's such a coincidence Lizann asked about Stacey and her meds a couple of days ago on another thread since she was shown taking them (and not drinking) in Tuesday's episode. I assume she was took something extra as she told Martin she was having a bad day.


well spotted nancy, good on her telling stacey the truth

Go Nancy! You make sure Shabnam hears about Stacey and Kush's betrayal. Stacey wasn't expecting a mouthful from Nancy lol.

[parkerman]

It's such a coincidence Lizann asked about Stacey and her meds a couple of days ago on another thread since she was shown taking them (and not drinking) in Tuesday's episode. I assume she was took something extra as she told Martin she was having a bad day..

Yes, I thought that when I saw Stacey taking her meds, though I don't think she was necessarily taking something extra. I think she was just covering up for what she was actually taking.

[tammyy2j]

I thought Stacey's bipolar condition was common knowledge to all so why is she hiding her meds then

[Perdita]

Kush might not have known/might not know yet?? And do the Carters??

[Dazzle]

Yes, I thought that when I saw Stacey taking her meds, though I don't think she was necessarily taking something extra. I think she was just covering up for what she was actually taking.

I thought she might be taking extra because she wouldn't drink as she normally does (and she must take meds every day to keep on an even keel). Maybe she was just being extra careful that day?


I thought Stacey's bipolar condition was common knowledge to all so why is she hiding her meds then

It looked like she was hiding them from Martin but it was made clear he's aware of her condition later in the episode. I don't understand it. :searchme:

[lizann]

so can we expect an stacey breakdown big bipolar episode she going off the meds

[parkerman]

Good thinking, lizann. In true EE tradition there must be some reason why it has been mentioned again.

[lizann]

also is ryan coming back again after his one second brief park scene

[lizann]

did think kush was genuine in his chat with nancy silly me then him and stacey getting it on

cora is back

[Dazzle]

did think kush was genuine in his chat with nancy

I did too. Why have they turned him from a nice guy into a sleaze? Putting all the blame on Stacey too... :angry:

Shabnam, Nancy and Masood made last night's episode for me. I didn't watch the Dean/Shirley scenes and the less said about those scumbags Kush and Stacey the better. :wall:

I found it really heartwarming that Shabnam tentatively wanted to meet Jade, but I suppose that's not going to happen now she's been attacked. :(

I sooooo wasn't expecting the the woman who looked like a tramp to be Cora! I hope her homelessness (a very topical issue) will be written sensitively.

[Perdita]

I miss a lot of episodes and sadly the omnibus is at a ridiculous time ... why was Shabnam attacked please? Was it racially motivated?

[Kim]

I've stopped watching, but I would imagine that Shabnam's attack was motivated by the fact that she abandoned her daughter on a doorstep. If she felt she couldn't keep the child, she should have given her up via the official channels.

[Perdita]

Would a bunch of girls know about that?

[lizann]

shabham was attacked as she told the girls to stop causing trouble at community centre and leave before when it was cora living in centre caused the mess, the girls got shabham on her own and attacked her

mick finds jade as jade finds shabham who is pregnant by kush just got interesting

dean wasn't very into meeting and spending time with jade

jade foster parent social worker is well dodgy i think

[lizann]

shabham was attacked as she told the girls to stop causing trouble at community centre and leave before when it was cora living in centre caused the mess, the girls got shabham on her own and attacked her

mick finds jade as jade finds shabham who is pregnant by kush just got interesting

dean wasn't very into meeting and spending time with jade

jade foster parent social worker is well dodgy i think