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parkerman
02-01-2015, 22:46
i wonder could emma have been poisoned or died from murder other than the car accident
I know the police are useless in EE, but surely the doctors are not that useless as well!
I know the police are useless in EE, but surely the doctors are not that useless as well!
post-mortem examination will tell
I know the police are useless in EE, but surely the doctors are not that useless as well!
post-mortem examination will tell
tammyy2j
03-01-2015, 00:22
Well I didn't like Emma's exit, didn't like the character much either but I feel her death was a cop out by the writers, give her memory loss as the killer reveal is next month
Max may have taken a longer way to drive to the hospital to make sure Emma was dead or would die to protect himself or his daughters
Also why did Billy have pictures of Lucy as he is not a suspect anymore?
I hope once the killer is revealed which I think won't be satisfying to me, the writers go back and point out all the clues that have been given out if any so far
Good that Cora stayed
Did Yvonne call the police on Phil or was it Nick?
Whoever the killer is, am I the only one shocked that, given we have the list of names, that any of them have managed to pull this murder off and the Police haven't a clue. None of them look like a criminal genius if you ask me.
Ordinary people get away with murder all the time though, and the police in real life are usually far more efficient than soapland Keystone Cops! :D
Well I didn't like Emma's exit, didn't like the character much either but I feel her death was a cop out by the writers, give her memory loss as the killer reveal is next month
It was a shockingly low key exit for Emma after yesterday's high drama of Ronnie's near demise. Maybe they were going for the contrast but it felt a bit flat. Poor Emma! She was kind of annoying but I'll miss her.
Max may have taken a longer way to drive to the hospital to make sure Emma was dead or would die to protect himself or his daughters
I think that too. He could even have stopped on the way to the hospital to be absolutely sure. It would also make more sense of the unrealistic way that no one close to Emma got her medical attention sooner.
Also why did Billy have pictures of Lucy as he is not a suspect anymore?
Covering for someone? Or maybe he was secretly in love with her? :D
Did Yvonne call the police on Phil or was it Nick?
It looks like shifty Yvonne set him up. Will she never learn that Nick won't change?
from Emma having blood coming from her ear, she more than likely had fractured her skull in the accident and the delay in her death was the result of pressure slowly building up as blood seeped into the crack
could she have noticed that the car in front of the house moved at all? Say Max stating he was in all night and then she realises the car turned round to face the other way or somthing?
and lets face it, Lucy weighed about 2 stone!!! so she could have been nmoved in a large carrier bag from the minute mart!!!
I was annoyed at Ronnie coming back from the dead - not that I wanted her to die - but the machine clearly showed no electrical activity iin the heart, and with nothibng stimulating it it just bounces back into life!!!
I was annoyed at Ronnie coming back from the dead - not that I wanted her to die - but the machine clearly showed no electrical activity iin the heart, and with nothibng stimulating it it just bounces back into life!!!
It was the sound of her son crying that brought her back, don't you know! :D
It was absurd stuff but I must admit to having a little tear in my eye... :crying: :o
I like seeing Sharon as head of the Mitchell clan. It's about time she has a pivotal role in EE again. I can't say I'm too upset to see Phil in prison! :D
Dot's in denial about what Nick's capable of yet again... :wall:
Max ripping up Emma's file of evidence: sign of a guilty man or a grieving man?
I'm disappointed we won't be getting detective Carol! :(
Max basically tore the papers in half ,so if Carol can salvage them ,use a bit of cellotape might still be of use . I'm probably being a bit picky but I think the file was in the other side of the cupboard, where Carol put it, wonder if she had another look at it ? So could still have detective Carol....:)
parkerman
07-01-2015, 12:30
Wasn't it Emma's bag Carol put in the other side? What's in her bag?
Wasn't it Emma's bag Carol put in the other side? What's in her bag?
Her phone, with texts to the killer...
parkerman
07-01-2015, 13:08
The plot thickens!
I thought Abi was looking melodramatically very shifty last night....
parkerman
07-01-2015, 13:08
"................."
After the accident Emma searched for the phone ,found it in the gutter and put it her trouser pocket. Wonder how it turned up in the bag ? The hospital would have bagged and tagged her property . Must have missed something....:searchme:
After the accident Emma searched for the phone ,found it in the gutter and put it her trouser pocket. Wonder how it turned up in the bag ? The hospital would have bagged and tagged her property . Must have missed something....:searchme:
She sat in the kitchen with Max for a while before he drove her to the hospital, if I remember correctly. She must have put her phone in her bag while she was there, and the bag got left there when she had to be driven to the hospital quickly.
Max didn't seem to light up with interest at the sight of the phone, could be a bluff. Seems to be pointing suspicion elsewhere ?:)
parkerman
07-01-2015, 13:52
Max hasn't seen the bag yet, has he?
Max didn't seem to light up with interest at the sight of the phone, could be a bluff. Seems to be pointing suspicion elsewhere ?:)
I don't think he saw the phone. Lauren found the bag and showed it to the people who were in the kitchen with her at the time (Abi and Carol I think), but quickly hid it when she heard Max coming.
Oops...Parkerman got in first :o
parkerman
07-01-2015, 14:05
You have to be quick round here, Dazzle.:D
And here's me trying to get a replay on iPlayer. Should know better by now with you pair on the case...:p..:)
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 14:45
Abi looked nervous when Emma's phone was found.
Should it disappear, has to be one of the Brannings. Not Lauren though.
You have to be quick round here, Dazzle.:D
They lied when they said slow and steady wins the race. :(
Should it disappear, has to be one of the Brannings. Not Lauren though.
Agreed. The fact that Lauren mentioned the phone makes it more likely she's innocent (although Emma could have met someone who was covering for Lauren without the latter's knowledge I suppose).
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 15:56
Ugggggh 19th Feb hurry uppp.
tammyy2j
07-01-2015, 16:03
Abi looked nervous when Emma's phone was found.
Should it disappear, has to be one of the Brannings. Not Lauren though.
Abi is too obvious imo as is Max and Jane now too
There is more questions than answers now for me, the reveal better be good and have answers to the many many questions
Max hasn't seen the bag yet, has he?
Max was in the kitchen doorway just as Lauren was about to put the bag in the cupboard so would have seen the bag but not the phone.
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 18:20
Abi is too obvious imo as is Max and Jane now too
There is more questions than answers now for me, the reveal better be good and have answers to the many many questions
Perhaps... I will riot if its Ian or Lauren. As far as I am concerned, they aren't even suspects for me.
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 18:20
Abi is too obvious imo as is Max and Jane now too
There is more questions than answers now for me, the reveal better be good and have answers to the many many questions
Perhaps... I will riot if its Ian or Lauren. As far as I am concerned, they aren't even suspects for me.
parkerman
07-01-2015, 18:49
I will riot if its Ian or Lauren.
Can I come and watch?
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 19:11
Can I come and watch?
I have utter faith EE wont put me through it.
xx_Dan_xx
07-01-2015, 19:11
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Perhaps... I will riot if its Ian or Lauren. As far as I am concerned, they aren't even suspects for me.
Why not Ian or Lauren?
As far as I'm concerned as long as it's a big character with good motive, or a smaller character with an excellent motive, then I'll be satisfied. What happened that lead to Lucy's death has got to be believable for the characters involved too. Oh, and I don't want it to have been an outright accident either. I don't ask for a lot! :D
I'd like it to be Ian. Lauren doesn't interest me so I'm less bothered about her. I don't want Ian to leave though, so that's a bit of a quandary.
I have utter faith EE wont put me through it.
That's too much faith to place in the writers Dan. They may have very different ideas as to what makes a satisfying conclusion than we do. I do have faith they'll try their best to make the reveal exciting and satisfying though.
Perhaps... I will riot if its Ian or Lauren. As far as I am concerned, they aren't even suspects for me.
ian and rainie off their face on coke kill lucy as she wont share her stash with them :p
monalisa62003
07-01-2015, 22:56
Tonights episode proves my point. phil doesnt trust sharon
parkerman
08-01-2015, 00:02
Absolutely, Mona. You were right and all the rest of us were wrong. Thank you.
monalisa62003
08-01-2015, 03:22
Absolutely, Mona. You were right and all the rest of us were wrong. Thank you.did you see the scene at the wedding with phil looking down when sharon held his hand??
there is something tomorrow night that doesnt add up, and i still think it shows he doesnt trust her/isnt really that bothered. if he really wanted sharon in charge he has had plenty of time since the wedding and would have known what hed done and would need to change it now. he hasnt bothered he hadnt even told ben what hed done surely youd tell your own son you put them in charge of the business's
max is breaking my heart, jake is amazing atm, him and steve mcf are the best at emotional scenes
The plot thickens!
I thought Abi was looking melodramatically very shifty last night....
I'm now worried that we are getting too many iffy looks from Abi - thus making her too obvious as the killer, when my money was on her??!!
I'm surprised that Phil gave power of attorney to the annoying brat that is Ben. Maybe he did it because he thinks he'll be easier to control than Sharon?
I don't understand why Sharon's still keeping the secret about Nick. She knows he set Phil up and she looks bad in front of the rest of the Mitchells by appearing not to be taking action. Why does she not just tell the family the truth?
I can't sympathise with Max at all, I'm afraid. I find him selfish and don't believe he truly loved Emma anyway. He's more sorry for himself than for her.
I'm glad Donna's moved onto the square now so we should see more of her. I think she has the potential to be a good character and she worked well with Pam and Kat tonight.
What does nasty Nick wasn't with that sweet little baby? :(
ok here is what happened to Lucy (my theory):
Abi killed Lucy
Max helped her move the body in his car - or max's car was used
in moving the body the car returned to the square and is parked facing the other way to when it started
Summerhayes notices this change in the phone footage
max's alibi - backed by Abi - that he was home all night is now shaky
Summerhayes confronts Abi giving her the chance to confess
Lauren finds out and in a fit of refulsion leaves the square to go and live with Tanya - hence her exit
oh and dont forget
the killer is revealed doesnt necessarily mean the police find out??
Good theory, but how did Emma get from Max's alibi being shaky to Abi being the killer, Sarah? I think she'd confront Max first.
Good theory, but how did Emma get from Max's alibi being shaky to Abi being the killer, Sarah? I think she'd confront Max first.
ok you've seen my flaw
but to give Abi a chance to come clean before telling Max - if Abi wasnt the killer, then they say no more
ok you've seen my flaw
but to give Abi a chance to come clean before telling Max - if Abi wasnt the killer, then they say no more
Emma could have assumed Max was the killer and told him "you killed Lucy" on the phone. When they met up though, he could have told her he was covering for Abi and begged Emma to keep their secret. That makes sense I think.
Do you think Abi killed Lucy because she hated her because of the affair with Max? Was it deliberate murder or was she just trying to hurt her?
Emma could have assumed Max was the killer and told him "you killed Lucy" on the phone. When they met up though, he could have told her he was covering for Abi and begged Emma to keep their secret. That makes sense I think.
Do you think Abi killed Lucy because she hated her because of the affair with Max? Was it deliberate murder or was she just trying to hurt her?
I dont think it was premeditated? I think she probably struck out in anger and it all went wrong
I dont think it was premeditated? I think she probably struck out in anger and it all went wrong
I agree. I think that's a believable scenario and I wouldn't be averse to it being correct.
tammyy2j
08-01-2015, 15:02
ok here is what happened to Lucy (my theory):
Abi killed Lucy
Max helped her move the body in his car - or max's car was used
in moving the body the car returned to the square and is parked facing the other way to when it started
Summerhayes notices this change in the phone footage
max's alibi - backed by Abi - that he was home all night is now shaky
Summerhayes confronts Abi giving her the chance to confess
Lauren finds out and in a fit of refulsion leaves the square to go and live with Tanya - hence her exit
How did Kim and Dean in the pub help Emma crack it though?
How did Kim and Dean in the pub help Emma crack it though?
I don't know, but it may have been something they said rather than it being anything to do with them personally. Some people on other sites think it was the mention of Patrick being alone for "five minutes" that was key.
tammyy2j
08-01-2015, 15:59
I don't know, but it may have been something they said rather than it being anything to do with them personally. Some people on other sites think it was the mention of Patrick being alone for "five minutes" that was key.
Yes Dean never heard of a phone, Patrick falls and he leaves him alone to go and get Denise
xx_Dan_xx
08-01-2015, 16:20
Probably something to do with time. She also looked at Lauren's video again after cracking the identity. Something on there must be related excluding Lauren as thats farr to obvious.
tammyy2j
08-01-2015, 16:46
I don't know, but it may have been something they said rather than it being anything to do with them personally. Some people on other sites think it was the mention of Patrick being alone for "five minutes" that was key.
Emma came out of the pub looking at the houses around the Sqaure so did she think Lucy was killed at her own house or Branning's house
the charlie and nick scene was nice and touching
max was very scary with lauren
how does donna know about linda and dean "affair" and did the vic toilets have a makeover
parkerman
08-01-2015, 22:39
Any more theories, mona?
parkerman
09-01-2015, 11:19
Anyway, how come Phil's suddenly got no money? I know Ronnie took the money from the safe, but that was only the money from Archie. I thought he was a very successful business man. Whenever you see him at other times he is always pulling out a big wad of cash from his wallet.
Anyway, how come Phil's suddenly got no money? I know Ronnie took the money from the safe, but that was only the money from Archie. I thought he was a very successful business man. Whenever you see him at other times he is always pulling out a big wad of cash from his wallet.
and who owns/runs R&R now?
parkerman
09-01-2015, 11:53
and who owns/runs R&R now?
Phil does.
Phil does.
cheers, it must just be that no one works there or goes there anymore?
parkerman
09-01-2015, 13:37
cheers, it must just be that no one works there or goes there anymore?
Perhaps that's why he's run out of money. :hmm:
tammyy2j
09-01-2015, 14:11
Is the R and R club closed?
tammyy2j
09-01-2015, 14:11
Does Nick really care for his son Charlie and his grandson?
I like the scenes of Aleks and the baby :p
Roxy and Charlie are getting very close
Does Ben want to be next Alan Sugar
parkerman
09-01-2015, 14:17
Does Ben want to be next Alan Sugar :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Lord Ben Mitchell , presenting the Apprentice with Peggy and Phil Mitchell as wingers , fair sends a shiver down the spine...:crying:
monalisa62003
09-01-2015, 20:40
max has control over the arches cant wait for phil to go ape!
so kat will not stay poor instead of taking the money that was left to zoe all the years back
was that kush in bed with kat or some random fella, she should charge for it as she gives it away freely so much
so kat will not stay poor instead of taking the money that was left to zoe all the years back
was that kush in bed with kat or some random fella, she should charge for it as she gives it away freely so much
Kat was right not to take the money. She still feels like a "dirty girl" deep down due to the abuse, so imagine how she'd feel if she took Harry's money. She'd feel it was some sort of payment for services rendered and would have even less self-respect than she does now (which would deeply affect her children).
Ben's so idiotic and gullible!! I can't wait to see his face when he finds out that Max duped him lol. I'm glad the power of attorney thing was a mix-up on Phil's part or that would be some perverse marriage between him and Sharon!
I don't think Lauren can be the killer because she seems to really doubt Max (as opposed to putting on an act). Can she be ruled out now? I think she probably can (or the writers'll have some serious explaining to do!!).
monalisa62003
10-01-2015, 17:01
Kat was right not to take the money. She still feels like a "dirty girl" deep down due to the abuse, so imagine how she'd feel if she took Harry's money. She'd feel it was some sort of payment for services rendered and would have even less self-respect than she does now (which would deeply affect her children).
Ben's so idiotic and gullible!! I can't wait to see his face when he finds out that Max duped him lol. I'm glad the power of attorney thing was a mix-up on Phil's part or that would be some perverse marriage between him and Sharon!
I don't think Lauren can be the killer because she seems to really doubt Max (as opposed to putting on an act). Can she be ruled out now? I think she probably can (or the writers'll have some serious explaining to do!!).
if phil was so bothered, he wouldve changed it sooner. its been 3 months since the wedding and he didnt mention it?
but i think it would be stupid if phil wasnt annoyed with sharon theyve lost the arches, if she was more on the ball and not being so rude to ben it might not have happened
monalisa62003
10-01-2015, 17:01
Kat was right not to take the money. She still feels like a "dirty girl" deep down due to the abuse, so imagine how she'd feel if she took Harry's money. She'd feel it was some sort of payment for services rendered and would have even less self-respect than she does now (which would deeply affect her children).
Ben's so idiotic and gullible!! I can't wait to see his face when he finds out that Max duped him lol. I'm glad the power of attorney thing was a mix-up on Phil's part or that would be some perverse marriage between him and Sharon!
I don't think Lauren can be the killer because she seems to really doubt Max (as opposed to putting on an act). Can she be ruled out now? I think she probably can (or the writers'll have some serious explaining to do!!).
if phil was so bothered, he wouldve changed it sooner. its been 3 months since the wedding and he didnt mention it?
but i think it would be stupid if phil wasnt annoyed with sharon theyve lost the arches, if she was more on the ball and not being so rude to ben it might not have happened
parkerman
10-01-2015, 18:40
if phil was so bothered, he wouldve changed it sooner. its been 3 months since the wedding and he didnt mention it?
but i think it would be stupid if phil wasnt annoyed with sharon theyve lost the arches, if she was more on the ball and not being so rude to ben it might not have happened
Quite right, mona. Actually, I bet it turns out that he secretly left it to the real love of his life, Shirley and that he gave her all his money, which is why he has none left.
monalisa62003
10-01-2015, 19:54
Quite right, mona. Actually, I bet it turns out that he secretly left it to the real love of his life, Shirley and that he gave her all his money, which is why he has none left.
is there any need for you to be so rude? havee i done anything to you to deserve this?
wwhy did phil not tell sharon it was shirley who told ronnie about the money and why their so skint ? oh cos hes protecting her not blabbibg obn her!!
monalisa62003
10-01-2015, 19:54
Quite right, mona. Actually, I bet it turns out that he secretly left it to the real love of his life, Shirley and that he gave her all his money, which is why he has none left.
is there any need for you to be so rude? havee i done anything to you to deserve this?
wwhy did phil not tell sharon it was shirley who told ronnie about the money and why their so skint ? oh cos hes protecting her not blabbibg on her!! and why is he constantly lying to sharon that he knows shirley is micks mother? yet again PROTECTING shirley for no reason!!
i havent made anything upi dont know if you know, but a few years ago steve mcf actually said in an interview shirley was the love of his life. ive not seen anything since where hes said sharon is. funny that.
not telling her he hasnt changed it back and should do after they married is actually wrong. what happened if it was him who ended up in a coma, he wouldnt be able to tell sharon then it was a mistake, hes lucky that its just prison and not half brain dead. any man would tell their wife who they wanted to be with for life that they changed it and would change it back considering he needed her to sign. how on earth did ben not know if he needed ben to sign it?
xx_Dan_xx
11-01-2015, 11:09
if phil was so bothered, he wouldve changed it sooner. its been 3 months since the wedding and he didnt mention it?
but i think it would be stupid if phil wasnt annoyed with sharon theyve lost the arches, if she was more on the ball and not being so rude to ben it might not have happened
Phil didnt even remember until they came to visit him...
I think he'll be annoyed at Ben, I mean, he was the one that did it not Sharron...
is there any need for you to be so rude? havee i done anything to you to deserve this?
wwhy did phil not tell sharon it was shirley who told ronnie about the money and why their so skint ? oh cos hes protecting her not blabbibg obn her!!
He didnt tell Shirley about alerting Ronnie because it doesnt matter. Ronnie stole the cash, not Shirley. Its not important.
Phil and Sharron are together for the foreseeable future and I think all these "signs" you're seeing are nothing. If you look hard enough, you can see anything.
Ruffed_lemur
11-01-2015, 13:15
Phil still has feelings for Shirley though.
He didnt tell Shirley about alerting Ronnie because it doesnt matter. Ronnie stole the cash, not Shirley. Its not important.
Totally agree Dan.
Also, I've said this before but it bears repeating: we can't assume that just because we haven't seen characters saying/doing something, that they didn't take place. Take the above example of Phil telling Sharon about Shirley and Ronnie - he may have told her but the writers didn't consider it an important enough scene to show. The same goes for Phil not telling Sharon about Ben and Abi, which Mona kept alluding to in her posts. It's obvious that he did indeed tell her but it wasn't an essential scene for us to see.
We need to use our imagination to fill in the blanks as it's impossible to show all the character interactions that happen, and frankly it'd be pretty boring viewing if all minor interactions were shown.
parkerman
11-01-2015, 18:07
I'm still not really clear why the £19,500 left to Kat in Harry's will has only just come to light, some 12 years after it was revealed he left £18,000 to Zoe....:confused:
Totally agree Dan.
Also, I've said this before but it bears repeating: we can't assume that just because we haven't seen characters saying/doing something, that they didn't take place. Take the above example of Phil telling Sharon about Shirley and Ronnie - he may have told her but the writers didn't consider it an important enough scene to show. The same goes for Phil not telling Sharon about Ben and Abi, which Mona kept alluding to in her posts. It's obvious that he did indeed tell her but it wasn't an essential scene for us to see.
We need to use our imagination to fill in the blanks as it's impossible to show all the character interactions that happen, and frankly it'd be pretty boring viewing if all minor interactions were shown.
Maybe we need to stop using our imagination and just watch as things unfold????
Totally agree Dan.
Also, I've said this before but it bears repeating: we can't assume that just because we haven't seen characters saying/doing something, that they didn't take place. Take the above example of Phil telling Sharon about Shirley and Ronnie - he may have told her but the writers didn't consider it an important enough scene to show. The same goes for Phil not telling Sharon about Ben and Abi, which Mona kept alluding to in her posts. It's obvious that he did indeed tell her but it wasn't an essential scene for us to see.
We need to use our imagination to fill in the blanks as it's impossible to show all the character interactions that happen, and frankly it'd be pretty boring viewing if all minor interactions were shown.
Maybe we need to stop using our imagination and just watch as things unfold????
Maybe we need to stop using our imagination and just watch as things unfold????
Well, yes, I see what you're saying - that we shouldn't let our imaginations run wild and invent unlikely events.
The point I was trying to make to a certain poster though is that life goes on as normal for the characters when they're off-screen and we have to understand that things are said and done which aren't shown. For example, we're not shown the characters going to the loo several times a day, but we know that it's supposed to happen.
We're only shown the dramatic highlights of the characters' lives.
xx_Dan_xx
11-01-2015, 18:49
I'm still not really clear why the £19,500 left to Kat in Harry's will has only just come to light, some 12 years after it was revealed he left £18,000 to Zoe....:confused:
Hmm Maybe Charlie had it and gave it to Moe during the holidays. Maybe Charlie thought it was best to not tell her as he knew she wouldnt accept it and only decided to give her it when he heard how she is struggling with money ?.
xx_Dan_xx
11-01-2015, 18:49
I'm still not really clear why the £19,500 left to Kat in Harry's will has only just come to light, some 12 years after it was revealed he left £18,000 to Zoe....:confused:
Hmm Maybe Charlie had it and gave it to Moe during the holidays. Maybe Charlie thought it was best to not tell her as he knew she wouldnt accept it and only decided to give her it when he heard how she is struggling with money ?.
Hmm Maybe Charlie had it and gave it to Moe during the holidays. Maybe Charlie thought it was best to not tell her as he knew she wouldnt accept it and only decided to give her it when he heard how she is struggling with money ?.
I've read elsewhere that it's the money that was left to Zoe, but that she doesn't want. I suppose interest would account for the £1,500 difference.
parkerman
11-01-2015, 18:57
That could be it, Dazzle. Though that does mean Harry didn't actually leave it to Kat, so it's not quite the "blood money", Kat is making it out to be if Harry left it to his daughter.
Mind you, I can still perfectly understand why Kat wouldn't want to touch it. However, just tearing up the cheque doesn't mean the money is not still there.
Hmm Maybe Charlie had it and gave it to Moe during the holidays. Maybe Charlie thought it was best to not tell her as he knew she wouldnt accept it and only decided to give her it when he heard how she is struggling with money ?.
mo had the cheque zoe got years back but never cashed or lodged it so mo said kat should use it zoe must not have wanted it for so long despite she is on the run too over den's murder
also charlie is or was in lanzarote but kat or mo said they left him the kids so where is he?
tammyy2j
11-01-2015, 23:28
How can Max take the Arches, wouldn't any documents to be legal need both Ben and Phil's signatures
xx_Dan_xx
11-01-2015, 23:51
How can Max take the Arches, wouldn't any documents to be legal need both Ben and Phil's signatures
Ben has power of attorney meaning he can make any decisions, so no I don't believe he needs Phil's signature
xx_Dan_xx
11-01-2015, 23:51
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parkerman
11-01-2015, 23:52
mo had the cheque zoe got years back but never cashed or lodged it so mo said kat should use it zoe must not have wanted it for so long despite she is on the run too over den's murder
also charlie is or was in lanzarote but kat or mo said they left him the kids so where is he?
If she got the cheque years ago it would no longer be valid. Cheques are only valid for six months. In any case, if it was made out to Zoe, Kat wouldn't be able to cash it.
parkerman
11-01-2015, 23:54
Ben has power of attorney meaning he can make any decisions, so no I don't believe he needs Phil's signature
Yes, that's right. That's the point of giving power of attorney.
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 00:11
If she got the cheque years ago it would no longer be valid. Cheques are only valid for six months. In any case, if it was made out to Zoe, Kat wouldn't be able to cash it.
its correct about the 6 months of course
and now amount is 1500 more.So been
somewhere to get interest?
So either it was banked in an a/c that
both Charlie and Zoe had access to
or if Zoe was still under 18 at time
could Charlie have been designated
guardian/trustee but there would
have to be paperwork ( cant cash/ deposit
other peoples cheques easily now because
of fraud/money laundering regs)
Or perhaps simplest reason- didn't
give plot a couple mins more thought
and come up with something plausible.
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 00:11
If she got the cheque years ago it would no longer be valid. Cheques are only valid for six months. In any case, if it was made out to Zoe, Kat wouldn't be able to cash it.
its correct about the 6 months of course
and now amount is 1500 more.So been
somewhere to get interest?
So either it was banked in an a/c that
both Charlie and Zoe had access to
or if Zoe was still under 18 at time
could Charlie have been designated
guardian/trustee but there would
have to be paperwork ( cant cash/ deposit
other peoples cheques easily now because
of fraud/money laundering regs)
p.s if original cheque not cashed-solicitors
d/w estate couldnt certify they had concluded
matters and perhaps put money in a central
fund for unclaimed legacies.?? where it would
accrue interest.
Then perhaps Zoe recently did ask for
money but for cheque to be made out
Kat. All very complicated and not sure
if possible
Or perhaps simplest reason- didn't
give plot a couple mins more thought
and come up with something plausible.
parkerman
12-01-2015, 00:22
Sadly, I think your last explanation is most likely the correct one, maidmarian.
And, of course, tearing up the cheque means very little as the money will still be in the account.
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 00:37
Sadly, I think your last explanation is most likely the correct one, maidmarian.
And, of course, tearing up the cheque means very little as the money will still be in the account.
Thanks very much. I put a ps in original post
which crossed with yours.
People do decline legacies so there must be
a legal procedure. Soaps always say they've
had medical advice when d/w a health story
- so must have access to advice on basic
legal matters.
In the scenarios in Heir Hunters people
havent left wills and relatives have to be
found or money goes to Crown.
Here there are known relatives and ??
a Will.
Going to Bed!
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 00:37
Sadly, I think your last explanation is most likely the correct one, maidmarian.
And, of course, tearing up the cheque means very little as the money will still be in the account.
Thanks very much. I put a ps in original post
which crossed with yours.
People do decline legacies so there must be
a legal procedure. Soaps always say they've
had medical advice when d/w a health story
- so must have access to advice on basic
legal matters.
In the scenarios in Heir Hunters people
havent left wills and relatives have to be
found or money goes to Crown.
Here there are known relatives and ??
a Will.
Going to Bed!
flappinfanny
12-01-2015, 00:45
Max you are a dead man walking when philth has finished panto and gets out of the nick.:D
parkerman
12-01-2015, 09:13
Thanks very much. I put a ps in original post
which crossed with yours.
People do decline legacies so there must be
a legal procedure. Soaps always say they've
had medical advice when d/w a health story
- so must have access to advice on basic
legal matters.
In the scenarios in Heir Hunters people
havent left wills and relatives have to be
found or money goes to Crown.
Here there are known relatives and ??
a Will.
Going to Bed!
I know this is all getting very legal and complicated, but surely the only way for the money to go to Kat would be for Zoe to have accepted the inheritance and then made out the cheque. She couldn't instruct the solicitors to alter Harry's will and pay the money to Kat. So the money must be in Zoe's account now.
Mustn't it? :hmm:
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 09:34
I know this is all getting very legal and complicated, but surely the only way for the money to go to Kat would be for Zoe to have accepted the inheritance and then made out the cheque. She couldn't instruct the solicitors to alter Harry's will and pay the money to Kat. So the money must be in Zoe's account now.
Mustn't it? :hmm:
yes -it must -if she accepted it initially and
then put in an a/c but never touched it.
Then decided to give to Kat - that would mean
a new cheque could be written.
If she declined it initially -the solrs couldn't
change Harrys will but they would also have
to put the money somewhere separate .
I dont know if having declined u can then
change your mind years later.
And if she was a minor when Harry died
dont know if legally could decline-
perhaps put in a form of trust a/c till older.
Your suggestion would be easier in plot line
terms-so lets hope so.
Interesting if more explanation given in the
prog- as I understood this to be the beginning
of a big new story for Kat(unless got it wrong)
so would expect more to be said about it over
next few months!
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 09:34
I know this is all getting very legal and complicated, but surely the only way for the money to go to Kat would be for Zoe to have accepted the inheritance and then made out the cheque. She couldn't instruct the solicitors to alter Harry's will and pay the money to Kat. So the money must be in Zoe's account now.
Mustn't it? :hmm:
yes -it must -if she accepted it initially and
then put in an a/c but never touched it.
Then decided to give to Kat - that would mean
a new cheque could be written.
If she declined it initially -the solrs couldn't
change Harrys will but they would also have
to put the money somewhere separate .
I dont know if having declined u can then
change your mind years later.
And if she was a minor when Harry died
dont know if legally could decline-
perhaps put in a form of trust a/c till older.
Your suggestion would be easier in plot line
terms-so lets hope so.
Interesting if more explanation given in the
prog- as I understood this to be the beginning
of a big new story for Kat(unless got it wrong)
so would expect more to be said about it over
next few months!
parkerman
12-01-2015, 10:17
Kat was born in 1971 and was, what 13 or 14, when Zoe was born, meaning she was born in 1984/5, so she would have been 17/18 when Harry died.
Please bear in mind folks that what I read about Kat's legacy actually being Zoe's was a comment on a social networking site and not direct from an official source.
If it is true, and the amounts involved suggest it could be, then perhaps Harry stipulated in his will that Kat should get the money if Zoe declined it? It's all very convoluted! I hope we get a proper explanation.
(Oops...I forgot to use the "Go Advanced" button to avoid double posting! :o)
parkerman
12-01-2015, 15:37
I hope we get a proper explanation.
Some hopes, Dazzle. This is Eastenders!:D
tammyy2j
12-01-2015, 16:32
Ben has power of attorney meaning he can make any decisions, so no I don't believe he needs Phil's signature
And without a solicitor it is still legal?
parkerman
12-01-2015, 16:53
Yes.You don't need a solicitor.
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:08
And without a solicitor it is still legal?
this would be a general.power of attorney as
Phil is not mentally unfit to conduct his affairs.
It has to specify what "power" you are giving
to.the "attorney" eg all financial affairs or over
seeing a property sale and period of time can
be specified. There are downloadable
forms on internet.
Needs to be signed by donor and witnessed
by a third party not the attorney. Can be cancelled
verbally and does not need a solictor or to be
registered with authorities- just produced when
needed.
There is also a lasting power of attorney to
be used in eg dementia cases. More complicated
and more safeguards.
so Lizann - in this case it would be legal without
a solicitor.
unless someone questioned Phils sanity !!!
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:08
And without a solicitor it is still legal?
this would be a general.power of attorney as
Phil is not mentally unfit to conduct his affairs.
It has to specify what "power" you are giving
to.the "attorney" eg all financial affairs or over
seeing a property sale and period of time can
be specified. There are downloadable
forms on internet.
Needs to be signed by donor and witnessed
by a third party not the attorney. Can be cancelled
verbally and does not need a solictor or to be
registered with authorities- just produced when
needed.
There is also a lasting power of attorney to
be used in eg dementia cases. More complicated
and more safeguards.
so Lizann - in this case it would be legal without
a solicitor.
unless someone questioned Phils sanity !!!
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:10
Yes.You don't need a solicitor.
thanks v much. Admirably concise.!
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:10
Yes.You don't need a solicitor.
thanks v much. Admirably concise.!
parkerman
12-01-2015, 17:33
Yes, I'm afraid I have a bit of a thing about solicitors! People always think you have to go to them about most things when in fact you don't and it is usually just as easy and definitely much cheaper to do it yourself! However, I will say your fuller answer was very educational. Thank you.
I take it from some of your answers that you have had legal training. So I'm sorry if my view doesn't chime with your own. But could I just say that some of my best friends are solicitors! :D
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:54
Yes, I'm afraid I have a bit of a thing about solicitors! People always think you have to go to them about most things when in fact you don't and it is usually just as easy and definitely much cheaper to do it yourself! However, I will say your fuller answer was very educational. Thank you.
I take it from some of your answers that you have had legal training. So I'm sorry if my view doesn't chime with your own. But could I just say that some of my best friends are solicitors! :D
I dont have any legal training - just had a somewhat
litigious father - whose opinion of solictors was very
similar to your own.
I have helped friends/ relatives to find info they need
on occasions.
I did apply for a clerical position in the court service
when I left school - but there was a train strike-
I missed the interview - was given another one
at a later date and then a job elsewhere.
maidmarian
12-01-2015, 17:54
Yes, I'm afraid I have a bit of a thing about solicitors! People always think you have to go to them about most things when in fact you don't and it is usually just as easy and definitely much cheaper to do it yourself! However, I will say your fuller answer was very educational. Thank you.
I take it from some of your answers that you have had legal training. So I'm sorry if my view doesn't chime with your own. But could I just say that some of my best friends are solicitors! :D
I dont have any legal training - just had a somewhat
litigious father - whose opinion of solictors was very
similar to your own.
I have helped friends/ relatives to find info they need
on occasions.
I did apply for a clerical position in the court service
when I left school - but there was a train strike-
I missed the interview - was given another one
at a later date and then a job elsewhere.
one handed charlie really got stuck into ben
can ben lie and say he didn't sign anything max faked his signature is there any witness abi would lie for ben
parkerman
12-01-2015, 21:01
He can say it if he likes, but it won't do him any good. He would have to go to court to prove it and how would he prove it?
xx_Dan_xx
12-01-2015, 21:55
Max hasn't sent the papers off yet, for what I saw he still has them when he had a drink. If Sharron submits her papers before Max surely that would stop Max's plan?
Max hasn't sent the papers off yet, for what I saw he still has them when he had a drink. If Sharron submits her papers before Max surely that would stop Max's plan?
i hope she does, really don't want max to win and get the arches, smug bald git
Max hasn't sent the papers off yet, for what I saw he still has them when he had a drink. If Sharron submits her papers before Max surely that would stop Max's plan?
i hope she does, really don't want max to win and get the arches, smug bald git
parkerman
12-01-2015, 22:46
Max said he'd lodged the papers with his solicitor.
Anyway, where do you think he has to send the papers off to?
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 00:11
Max said he'd lodged the papers with his solicitor.
Anyway, where do you think he has to send the papers off to?
Yeah but later you saw that he still had them. He lied.
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 00:11
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parkerman
13-01-2015, 00:35
Duplicate copies, which is quite normal. Anyway, as I said, where do you think he has to send them off to? And where do you think Sharon has to submit her papers to?
If he has Ben's signature on a dated document which he has it's a signed contract. It doesn't matter what Sharon does as Phil signing the power of attorney papers over to her will post date the agreement with Ben.
parkerman
13-01-2015, 00:35
"...."
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 01:13
Duplicate copies, which is quite normal. Anyway, as I said, where do you think he has to send them off to? And where do you think Sharon has to submit her papers to?
If he has Ben's signature on a dated document which he has it's a signed contract. It doesn't matter what Sharon does as Phil signing the power of attorney papers over to her will post date the agreement with Ben.
I domt know how all this works, I assumed theyd have to send them somewhere official.
one handed charlie really got stuck into ben
He certainly did! :eek:
I'm so glad Charlie's had his eyes opened about Nick. I wonder what he'll do now he knows? I also wonder if he'll be able to forgive Yvonne who helped cover for Nick. Maybe she'll say she was under Nick's spell lol. Charlie's grief felt very real.
I'm wondering if Shabnam's secret has something to do with a child after her conversation with Stacey. Maybe she had a child and gave it up to the father in Pakistan because she couldn't cope? Perhaps she was even paid to do so (which would explain the money)? Her guilt could explain why she's far more strictly religious than she used to be. I'm certain it's something to do with a child anyway.
parkerman
13-01-2015, 09:27
I domt know how all this works, I assumed theyd have to send them somewhere official.
In the case of Power of Attorney you do, you have to register it with the Office of the Public Guardian. You have to send off the form together with the appropriate fee. Once this has been done and no-one objects to the registration (which Ben could do of course), the Public Guardian must register it. They must do this after three weeks. The Public Guardian must notify the donor once it is registered. As you can see this process actually takes some time.
Signing over the business to Max however is instantaneous.Once Ben's signed the contract in front of a witness it becomes legally binding immediately. so there is no chance of Sharon ever being able to beat Ben to it.
parkerman
13-01-2015, 09:27
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maidmarian
13-01-2015, 09:54
In the case of Power of Attorney you do, you have to register it with the Office of the Public Guardian. You have to send off the form together with the appropriate fee. Once this has been done and no-one objects to the registration (which Ben could do of course), the Public Guardian must register it. They must do this after three weeks. The Public Guardian must notify the donor once it is registered. As you can see this process actually takes some time.
Signing over the business to Max however is instantaneous.Once Ben's signed the contract in front of a witness it becomes legally binding immediately. so there is no chance of Sharon ever being able to beat Ben to it.
sorry parkerman -I must have missed
the bit where it was said it was a Lasting
power of Attorney - which does have to
be registered with Office of Public Guardian.
there are many different sorts -general ordinary
lasting enduring etc . Different names in different
parts of UK - different rules & powers to cover
all situations from.permanent impairment down
to short- term problem.
It does stress in guidance how careful people
have to be to get right sort or they may not
acheive what they wish.
Your point about contract is very important.
maidmarian
13-01-2015, 09:54
dupl
Ben has power of attorney meaning he can make any decisions, so no I don't believe he needs Phil's signature
if power of attorney is in place then Ben acts on Phils behalf in all things and doesnt need Phil's input
however....drawing up power of attorney is one thing, to use it you have to 'activate' it which is done through the Courts and takes a few weeks, so Ben/Phil didnt have time to do this and it cant be valid
parkerman
13-01-2015, 10:39
if power of attorney is in place then Ben acts on Phils behalf in all things and doesnt need Phil's input
however....drawing up power of attorney is one thing, to use it you have to 'activate' it which is done through the Courts and takes a few weeks, so Ben/Phil didnt have time to do this and it cant be valid
The Power of Attorney for Ben was drawn up yonks ago. It's not new. That's why he's changing it to Sharon.
The Power of Attorney for Ben was drawn up yonks ago. It's not new. That's why he's changing it to Sharon.
but it wasnt 'activated' ages ago was it? otherwise ben would've known about it?
I know it is the writers thinking we are all a bit dim, but it was rushed and in place far too quickly. Plus it was ritchie that came back from seeing Phil and announce ben had the 'power' why did Phil not stop it then if he didnt want it to stabd?
parkerman
13-01-2015, 11:35
Yes, it's certainly one of those storylines dreamt up by the scriptwriters as a "convenient" way of allowing Max to get back at Phil. It has no basis in any sort of reality at all.
Yes, it's certainly one of those storylines dreamt up by the scriptwriters as a "convenient" way of allowing Max to get back at Phil. It has no basis in any sort of reality at all.
In reality would the person nominated as Attorney have to be informed and given the option to decline or accept the position .I suppose they would need to sign and have witnessed a document to the effect ?
In reality would the person nominated as Attorney have to be informed and given the option to decline or accept the position .I suppose they would need to sign and have witnessed a document to the effect ?
my father put POA in place for me in case he went demented, and I was told about it, and knew it was there on standby? It still took the best part of a month to 'activate' when it needed to be
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 12:43
Can't wait for Phil finding out and then getting out of prison. Don't want to be in Max's shoes right now.
Can't wait for Phil finding out and then getting out of prison. Don't want to be in Max's shoes right now.
Phil will just use brute force, whereas max does have the law on his side (albeit acquired in a dodgy way!!)
max needs to get the locks changed on the Arches and establish occupation pdq
maidmarian
13-01-2015, 13:11
[QUOTE=sarah c;815171]my father put POA in place for me in case he went demented, and I was told about it, and knew it was there on standby? It still took the best part of a month to 'activate' when it needed to be[/QUOTE
A person who has mental ability at the time
can put in place a lasting power of attorney
in case the time comes when they no longer
have that ability. It does need to be activated
and the Court of Protection is involved because
their main duty is protect those who do not
have mental ability or have serious illness etc.
It must have been v upsetting
for you Sarah but the bureaucracy is to protect
vulnerable people from being taken advantage of.
Sometimes a medical opinon will be needed
about the severity of the illness.
But in Phils case - none of the above seems
to.apply. And as he has been in prison a
"few" times( according to profile on internet)
he must have needed powers of attorney
before- to oversee his business affairs etc
and then cancelled them when released.
These would normally have been "ordinary"
ones with specific powers for stated periods.
So we are probably back to it not making
sense and not likely to- and the viewers
not seeing the document so ....
maidmarian
13-01-2015, 13:11
dupl
tammyy2j
13-01-2015, 13:50
He certainly did! :eek:
I'm so glad Charlie's had his eyes opened about Nick. I wonder what he'll do now he knows? I also wonder if he'll be able to forgive Yvonne who helped cover for Nick. Maybe she'll say she was under Nick's spell lol. Charlie's grief felt very real.
I'm wondering if Shabnam's secret has something to do with a child after her conversation with Stacey. Maybe she had a child and gave it up to the father in Pakistan because she couldn't cope? Perhaps she was even paid to do so (which would explain the money)? Her guilt could explain why she's far more strictly religious than she used to be. I'm certain it's something to do with a child anyway.
I like Stacey and Shabham being friends and her potential romance with Kush and yes after her chat about how Stacey is coping on her own with Lily it does seem she could have a child
According to the government's website (https://www.gov.uk/power-of-attorney/overview), Phil could have appointed Ben as a lasting power of attorney over his property and financial affairs:
"A lasting power of attorney (LPA) is a legal document that lets you (the ‘donor’) appoint one or more people (known as ‘attorneys’) to help you make decisions or make decisions on your behalf.
This gives you more control over what happens to you if, for example, you have an accident or an illness and can’t make decisions at the time they need to be made (you ‘lack mental capacity’).
You must be 18 or over and have mental capacity – the ability to make your own decisions – when you make your LPA.
There are 2 types of LPA:
health and welfare
property and financial affairs
You can choose to make one type or both."
Ben must have signed forms at the time so he couldn't have not known what was happening (unless his signature was forged - which I wouldn't put past Phil and Ritchie). If he knew, maybe he just assumed it'd been rescinded by now.
"The donor will ask you to be their attorney. If you agree, you’ll need to sign their lasting power of attorney (LPA) form."
Sarah's right that an LPA needs to be registered, but it could have been done straight away which would make it stand right now.
"Register your LPA with the Office of the Public Guardian (this can take up to 10 weeks)."
"It can be used as soon as it’s registered, with your permission."
This all seems to fit into the current storyline to me.
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 15:50
Phil will just use brute force, whereas max does have the law on his side (albeit acquired in a dodgy way!!)
max needs to get the locks changed on the Arches and establish occupation pdq
Perhaps but doesn't matter if Max has the law or not. Phil will either force Max to hand it back over or else.
Best case scenario for Max is to actually be Lucy's killer so he is safe away from Phil. xD
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 15:50
Phil will just use brute force, whereas max does have the law on his side (albeit acquired in a dodgy way!!)
max needs to get the locks changed on the Arches and establish occupation pdq
Perhaps but doesn't matter if Max has the law or not. Phil will either force Max to hand it back over or else.
Best case scenario for Max is to actually be Lucy's killer so he is safe away from Phil as he'll go to prison. xD
tammyy2j
13-01-2015, 15:54
If Charlie tells Max that Nick is the real cause of the crash Max might show some heart and give the Arches back to Phil and Ben
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 15:55
If Charlie tells Max that Nick is the real cause of the crash Max might show some heart and give the Arches back to Phil and Ben
Hmm perhaps but not quite sure if Phil would call it quits. I'd like to think there is good in Phil.
xx_Dan_xx
13-01-2015, 15:55
.
I've been doing some more thinking about the power of attorney business.
If I'm remembering the sequence of events correctly, Phil found out about Sharon and Marcus trying to con him several weeks before the wedding (which is when he and Ritchie set up the power of attorney).
The thing is, Phil didn't even know where Ben was at this time as the latter didn't turn up until a day or two before the wedding, so the signature must have been forged. If Ben realised this, he was hardly going to complain since it gave him what he wanted.
I wish the writers would make the details clear but I suppose they think the average viewer neither knows nor cares about the finer details of the law (the same goes for Kat's inheritance too). To be honest, the details of the POA didn't occur to me until you lot started discussing it. :o
maidmarian
13-01-2015, 16:47
According to the government's website (https://www.gov.uk/power-of-attorney/overview), Phil could have appointed Ben as a lasting power of attorney over his property and financial affairs:
\"A lasting power of attorney (LPA) is a legal document that lets you (the ‘donor’) appoint one or more people (known as ‘attorneys’) to help you make decisions or make decisions on your behalf.
This gives you more control over what happens to you if, for example, you have an accident or an illness and can’t make decisions at the time they need to be made (you ‘lack mental capacity’).
You must be 18 or over and have mental capacity – the ability to make your own decisions – when you make your LPA.
There are 2 types of LPA:
health and welfare
property and financial affairs
You can choose to make one type or both.\"
Ben must have signed forms at the time so he couldn't have not known what was happening (unless his signature was forged - which I wouldn't put past Phil and Ritchie). If he knew, maybe he just assumed it'd been rescinded by now.
\"The donor will ask you to be their attorney. If you agree, you’ll need to sign their lasting power of attorney (LPA) form.\"
Sarah's right that an LPA needs to be registered, but it could have been done straight away which would make it stand right now.
\"Register your LPA with the Office of the Public Guardian (this can take up to 10 weeks).\"
\"It can be used as soon as it’s registered, with your permission.\"
This all seems to fit into the current storyline to me.
I agree with your summary above Dazzle
had read the info on website and the info
abt variations recently and before ( for family
reasons)
As you will know there is a lot more- but
too much to quote.
Government guidance on a website is their
current interepation of the law and the
acts that underpin it. People can and do
challenge their intereptations in test cases-
unlikely in EE but does happen in real life
and where big legal firms get their income.
Its when its in a personal context you can
see its potential effects on real people.
But re Phil- it just seems a bit out of character
as he as been in a similar siuation various times
before ( when Ben either not born or child) -
I thought he would have a different attitude
to handing over the control of an LPA
when there are other ways of doing things.
But soap characters do change over years
and are perceived in various ways by different
viewers.
Purely as a matter of interest- I know you
pay attention to detail and I have missed
some bits recently (being away on family
matters) - have you heard the term
Lasting Power of Attorney actually mentioned
on the prog or just Power of Attorney?
It would be very boring to have everything
spelt out in detail. But sometimes a couple
of clear sentences would avoid confusion
and there are repititious bits could be cut!!
wait to see what happens next!
Purely as a matter of interest- I know you
pay attention to detail and I have missed
some bits recently (being away on family
matters) - have you heard the term
Lasting Power of Attorney actually mentioned
on the prog or just Power of Attorney?
No, the term Lasting Power of Attorney hasn't been used on the programme.
I searched for "Power of Attorney" but that brings you to the LPA page on the government's website. There's also Enduring Power of Attorney, but that's now been superceded by Lasting Power of Attorney.
I didn't read any of the numerous legal websites that came up on my search in depth, but did spot "Limited Power of Attorney" being mentioned. Since the government's information fit with the storyline I just went with that in my post.
Regarding whether it's in Phil's character to do such a thing, I'd say that since the point was to cut Sharon out of his affairs when he married her, I can go along with it. Ben wasn't in Phil's life at the time so it must have seemed very unlikely that Ben would ever get power over Phil's affairs. I guess Phil forgot about it with the shooting drama etc.
babe was or is on love with stan too, he must have been a looker in his hay day :p
Excellent episode last night!
I wonder if Nick's gone for good? I can't see it somehow. I'm sure the resolution to this story will be much more dramatic. Yvonne's goodbye felt more final.
I'm torn between feeling sorry for Dot and being frustrated at her gullibility. At least she's accepted Nick's guilt quickly this time I suppose.
I must say that Aleks had shown a whole new layer of his personality playing the househusband. I think he's been a bit of a saint personally. I know Roxy wanted to be with Ronnie but surely the latter would've preferred that her sister spent the majority of her time looking after the baby, not leaving him with latest in a long line of boyfriends.
I wish Jay would just tell Abi her boyfriends gay! But then, would she believe him?
Cracking episode , the whole storyline has become a welcome break from the Lucy Beale whodunit or who didn't do it imo. Thought there was a distinct tear in John Altman's eyes in his final scenes with June Brown , perhaps it was their last time as Nick and Dot ,and he was sensitive to that.
Cracking episode , the whole storyline has become a welcome break from the Lucy Beale whodunit or who didn't do it imo. Thought there was a distinct tear in John Altman's eyes in his final scenes with June Brown , perhaps it was their last time as Nick and Dot ,and he was sensitive to that.
Do you think Nick's gone for good then Glen? I thought it was too low key an exit and I also had the feeling the denoument of the story would happen during the 30th anniversary week (I try to avoid reading spoilers). It sounds like I was wrong! :(
parkerman
14-01-2015, 14:26
Nick's been such an iconic character throughout Eastenders history, right from the very first scene of the very first episode. I can't imagine they would let him go out in such a low key way.
Nick's been such an iconic character throughout Eastenders history, right from the very first scene of the very first episode. I can't imagine they would let him go out in such a low key way.
I hope you're right! :)
Do you think Nick's gone for good then Glen? I thought it was too low key an exit and I also had the feeling the denoument of the story would happen during the 30th anniversary week (I try to avoid reading spoilers). It sounds like I was wrong! :(
I wouldn't think it's his finale , for the reasons you give Dazzle, but maybe his last one to one scenes with June . It might just have been cigarette smoke in his eyes ....:) ,filming out of sequence, and I'm jumping to conclusions (again)...:) I certainly hope it isn't the last we see of him.
maidmarian
14-01-2015, 14:44
Do you think Nick's gone for good then Glen? I thought it was too low key an exit and I also had the feeling the denoument of the story would happen during the 30th anniversary week (I try to avoid reading spoilers). It sounds like I was wrong! :(
I thought Id read about Nick being in 30th
anniversary too but cant find it now.
In an interview with John Altman in Oct.2014
about his return to EE. -its mentioned that
producer has promised " the Nick story to
end all Nick Stories."As its not an interview
with the producer cant be sure he said that.-
but we havent really had anything so
dramatic yet!
But I hope he did say it and that Nick does
return even if just a short visit - deserves a
good story.
There have been rumours in.press etc of v
dramatic story for Dot & Nick but not happened
yet and you dont like spoilers and not sure if true-
so leave it there.
just hoping more to come and that even if he
is in 30t that that is not final!! for ever.
maidmarian
14-01-2015, 14:44
dupl
There have been rumours in.press etc of v
dramatic story for Dot & Nick but not happened
yet and you dont like spoilers and not sure if true-
so leave it there.
just hoping more to come and that even if he
is in 30t that that is not final!! for ever.
I don't read the spoilers but do take part in spoiler threads when I can see there's lots of discussion going on (as I enjoy the speculation), so I inevitably learn of major upcoming plots. I've read that Nick's apparently murdered although I have no idea whether it's been confirmed or is just rumour, or when it's likely to take place. That's why I'm not sure if last night was Nick's final scene or not.
I hope that whatever happens isn't final too!
tammyy2j
14-01-2015, 15:15
Am I fool because I do think Nick does genuinely cares for Charlie and Dot and I did like their scenes
Loved Yvonne's line to Nick your mother in their fight :p I wonder did she really burn all the money
Charlie needs to tell Max and Dot the police about Nick
I hate that Jay wont be honest with Abi about Ben, as annoying as she is, he must have loved her at one point they were together so long he owes her that at least
Cracking episode , the whole storyline has become a welcome break from the Lucy Beale whodunit or who didn't do it imo. Thought there was a distinct tear in John Altman's eyes in his final scenes with June Brown , perhaps it was their last time as Nick and Dot ,and he was sensitive to that.
My fault, thought I should clarify what I meant by" final scenes" , the time factor in the episode maybe explains it better. Didn't wish to imply that it was the last we would ever see of Nick in the current storyline ...
Am I fool because I do think Nick does genuinely cares for Charlie and Dot and I did like their scenes
He did seem to genuinely care. Maybe he's really mellowing a little in his old age? I think Nick will always be numero uno to Nick though, however much he mellows.
I hate that Jay wont be honest with Abi about Ben, as annoying as she is, he must have loved her at one point they were together so long he owes her that at least
I think to be fair that he did try to tell her at the beginning, but she didn't believe him and accused him of being jealous. Maybe I'm imagining that scene...
My fault, thought I should clarify what I meant by" final scenes" , the time factor in the episode maybe explains it better. Didn't wish to imply that it was the last we would ever see of Nick in the current storyline ...
Ah right, you meant the final scene they filmed together. I understand now. :)
parkerman
14-01-2015, 17:09
I've read that Nick's apparently murdered
Yes by Dot
Knew about the likelihood of the first part but not that the second was confirmed .which it obviously is. I really never thought the second part would happen. EE anniversary week should be mind blowing, wow.
parkerman
14-01-2015, 18:34
No, it's still unconfirmed - as far as I know.
parkerman
14-01-2015, 18:52
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a620686/eastenders-dot-cotton-to-stand-trial-for-nasty-nicks-murder.html#~p1mXJjDCAget42
Well judging by various national press websites I've just read ,looks very convincing.
tammyy2j
15-01-2015, 00:20
Has Ben even seen Lexi?
parkerman
15-01-2015, 12:00
Good point, Tammy. It's easy to forget he's her father.
xx_Dan_xx
15-01-2015, 12:41
Good point, Tammy. It's easy to forget he's her father.
But he doesn't want to see her though. Ben made that clear when Lola was worrying when he came back.
xx_Dan_xx
15-01-2015, 12:41
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I hope that Shirley will regret moving Dean into the pub ... and going by the look on Dot's face when Nick thanked her for the goodies .... maybe the reports posted in the spoiler thread are true :eek:
shirley was very harsh to lee and nancy and tina was right she is mick's mom too, shirley will regret moving in dean
i cant believe dot is still helping nick
so much for max's feelings for emma, he proved he didn't care much for her by keeping the garage never mind nick being responsible for the accident
how is phil going to get out now
shirley was very harsh to lee and nancy and tina was right she is mick's mom too, shirley will regret moving in dean
i cant believe dot is still helping nick
so much for max's feelings for emma, he proved he didn't care much for her by keeping the garage never mind nick being responsible for the accident
how is phil going to get out now
Totally shocked at Dot's actions helping Nick. After she threw him out, never thought for a split second she'd be looking after him. Must be having some sort of mental breakdown ? Is the place where Nick is hiding supposed to be where Reg Cox lived. :(
tammyy2j
15-01-2015, 22:21
Totally shocked at Dot's actions helping Nick. After she threw him out, never thought for a split second she'd be looking after him. Must be having some sort of mental breakdown ? Is the place where Nick is hiding supposed to be where Reg Cox lived. :(
Yes I am shocked at Dot too
I think Nick is hiding in the Slater house that burnt
How is Phil going to get out if no one will tell on Nick and Yvonne, I expected Dot first to be straight at the police station tonight
maidmarian
15-01-2015, 23:09
Yes I am shocked at Dot too
I think Nick is hiding in the Slater house that burnt
How is Phil going to get out if no one will tell on Nick and Yvonne, I expected Dot first to be straight at the police station tonight
Im a bit shocked at Dot - not always the
upright character over the years - but this
is bad- unless she already has a plan.
Re Phil - has it been said anywhere that
he will in 30th anniv prog. Major character
so would be-if from inside-disrupt flow
of episode?
maidmarian
15-01-2015, 23:09
dupl
xx_Dan_xx
15-01-2015, 23:13
Ben will go to the Police when he hears they don't plan on going.
Ben will go to the Police when he hears they don't plan on going.
will he want phil out so soon as max still owns the garage
Ben will go to the Police when he hears they don't plan on going.
will he want phil out so soon as max still owns the garage
I think Dot must have her reasons for hiding Nick. Perhaps so she can shop him to the police? Phil's unlikely to get out if Nick disappears. As Perdy says, perhaps Dot has even more sinister plans for her son! :eek:
I really don't see how the writers can justify Shirley moving Dean into the Vic! It's like she suddenly doesn't care about Mick's feelings at all after a whole year of putting him first over Dean. Whatever she believes happened between Linda and Dean, it'll be incredibly painful for Mick to find the latter living in his home when he returns. What can Shirley possibly hope to gain?
I was thinking during the Carter discussions about putting Sylvie in a home that those scenes must be very difficult for Timothy West, given that his real wife, Prunella Scales, is sadly in the early stages of Alzheimer's herself. :(
Nice to see the Masoods getting more screen time.
also charlie is or was in lanzarote but kat or mo said they left him the kids so where is he?
He must be back at Lynne's now. Kat mentioned him being there when she was asking Stacey if they could all stay another night. She said that Little Mo was too far away and Charlie and Lynne didn't have the room.
Pretty sure Belinda has a villa in Lanzarote as well as the house in Canterbury, so she must have been out there for a while and invited Charlie over over Christmas. I think Mo went to stay at the villa with Belinda back in 2009 when Jean was going off the rails because Sean left.
tammyy2j
16-01-2015, 15:07
Be good to see one of the other Slater girls back for a visit, I liked Belinda if she was a bit scatty
I really didn't like Dot and Shirley's behaviour in last night's episodes, Nick could have killed the baby how can Dot help him
tammyy2j
16-01-2015, 15:07
It is a shame Stan is dying, he is a great character well played by Timothy West
dull and lame return for mick and linda only kim was funny poor fats being put with sonia even carol be better
parkerman
16-01-2015, 21:46
I can't help feeling that Ronnie must have the most awful bed sores by now. She is always shown lying in the same position.
parkerman
16-01-2015, 22:04
Is the place where Nick is hiding supposed to be where Reg Cox lived. :(
Would be a nice touch if it was. But I assume Nick is hiding in Kat and Alfie's former house at 31 Albert Square. Reg Cox lived at 23B.
I thought it was a very well written episode by Sharon Marshall tonight. Great community feel with plenty of undercurrents and tensions simmering away.
I suppose Mick and Linda's dramatic entrance just as Shirley was somewhat cringingly crowned queen of the Vic was a bit cliched though! :D
I hope Dean and Shirley get what's coming to them! :angry:
I prefer Kat when she's acting like the Kat Slater of old.
maidmarian
17-01-2015, 00:39
quote from post by Dazzle***
I hope Dean and Shirley get what's coming to them! :angry:
I prefer Kat when she's acting like the Kat Slater of old.[/QUOTE]**
hear !hear! to both above!mm
maidmarian
17-01-2015, 00:39
dupl
Totally shocked at Dot's actions helping Nick. After she threw him out, never thought for a split second she'd be looking after him. Must be having some sort of mental breakdown ? Is the place where Nick is hiding supposed to be where Reg Cox lived. :(
Yes it is.
Number 23 has been converted between a house and a flat several times though. It was flats when Reg lived there and he was killed (by Nick) in the upstairs one.
Looked fire damaged , might also be a clue to the "explosive" way Nick meets his maker. Four weeks seems a long time for him to remain hidden there. No money no choice rule applies for him I reckon.
dot really don't care phil is in jail and is innocent that isn't very christian of dot, very unlike her
xx_Dan_xx
19-01-2015, 21:51
dot really don't care phil is in jail and is innocent that isn't very christian of dot, very unlike her
Yeah and I don't like the fact she has once again, as far as we know, gone crawling back to Nick. What must he do to make her turn her back on him completely.
xx_Dan_xx
19-01-2015, 21:51
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tammyy2j
19-01-2015, 23:18
I really am in shock as Dot's behaviour with Nick what else must he do now for her to serve all ties with him, attack or attempt to murder Fatboy
Shirley keeps saying Dean is her son she must stand by him but so is Mick
I hope Linda got through to Shirley somehow so she may doubt Dean now I do think perhaps deep down she knows he is messed up he may have done it
Linda and Mick need to tell Lee and Nancy the truth fast as you Nancy is thinking affair
I cant believe Tina asked Linda was the story of the rape true, she is doubting her now too and Stan being an old man so old fashioned in his views believes Dean his grandson
I am liking this take control Sharon proving she is a Mitchell :p I don't know how Phil will get put given Yvonne is awol and Nick in hiding and everyone wants to protect Dot
parkerman
19-01-2015, 23:30
As far as the Phil storyline goes, I still can't get over the fact that he is suddenly broke. He has three businesses (well, did have till Ben signed one over to Max) and is always show to be rolling in money. How come he is suddenly broke?
tammyy2j
19-01-2015, 23:34
As far as the Phil storyline goes, I still can't get over the fact that he is suddenly broke. He has three businesses (well, did have till Ben signed one over to Max) and is always show to be rolling in money. How come he is suddenly broke?
Ronnie took a fair chuck of his cash to pay Nick but yes he has the club (if still open), Sharon's pub, the house and the garage (which is now Max's), has he loans or mortgages on the house and businesses?
parkerman
19-01-2015, 23:57
The cash Ronnie took was over and above what Phil makes out of his businesses. It was part of the money Archie left to Roxy. That was just extras.
tammyy2j
19-01-2015, 23:59
The cash Ronnie took was over and above what Phil makes out of his businesses. It was part of the money Archie left to Roxy. That was just extras.
Is Sharon and Marcus still taking chucks he don't know about :p
If I were Linda I couldn't stand to be in the same house as Stan knowing he believes her a liar. He'd have to go, dying or not I'm afraid. I think Tina's confused about what to believe because of Shirley's poison, but I think she'll believe Linda when she hears her side.
Shabnam's comments about running to lose weight and her alluding to having known a certain type of man were interesting. :hmm:
dot really don't care phil is in jail and is innocent that isn't very christian of dot, very unlike her
I didn't get the impression Dot doesn't care about Phil. Sharon's assured her she can get him out without the Cottons being involved. We don't know Dot's motivation yet but I'd be astonished if she was putting Nick first given what he's done.
I am liking this take control Sharon proving she is a Mitchell
Me too. I love strong and feisty Sharon.
As far as the Phil storyline goes, I still can't get over the fact that he is suddenly broke. He has three businesses (well, did have till Ben signed one over to Max) and is always show to be rolling in money. How come he is suddenly broke?
I think Ronnie took all of Phil's ready cash and the rest is tied up. We don't know for a fact that the money in the safe was Roxy's - that could be long gone. Didn't Shirley say something like "ask Phil about Roxy's money"? She didn't specify an amount or what has happened to it. It could be invested and tied up for all we know.
Phil's businesses probably bring in lots of cash but what I don't understand is that Ritchie's been his lawyer for years and knows all about his assets. Therefore, even though he didn't have the cash to hand, surely she'd know he's good for it sooner or later?
parkerman
20-01-2015, 16:03
Phil's businesses probably bring in lots of cash but what I don't understand is that Ritchie's been his lawyer for years and knows all about his assets. Therefore, even though he didn't have the cash to hand, surely she'd know he's good for it sooner or later?
Yes, that's what I was really getting at, Dazzle. I can't remember the exact words but at one point Ritchie asked Sharon if Phil had any assets. I thought to myself, well, yes, she knows better than anyone that he has The Arches, R&Rs and the Albert, why is she asking?
But, in any case, I still can't believe that Phil has no money left. I know someone as dodgy as Phil would try and get out of paying as much tax as possible, but he would have to make it look good, so surely he has at least one bank account with enough money in to look good. Also, I know that interest rates are no great shakes at the moment, but again, wouldn't Phil have money in some sort of savings, not just leave it as cash in his safe? None of it rings true to me that he has no money.
But, in any case, I still can't believe that Phil has no money left. I know someone as dodgy as Phil would try and get out of paying as much tax as possible, but he would have to make it look good, so surely he has at least one bank account with enough money in to look good. Also, I know that interest rates are no great shakes at the moment, but again, wouldn't Phil have money in some sort of savings, not just leave it as cash in his safe? None of it rings true to me that he has no money.
Another point is that I've always assumed that Phil's doing dodgy deals off-screen, but we've now been told that's not the case. It doesn't ring true to me that Phil's no longer involved in the criminal underworld and couldn't access funds that way.
It's all a bit contrived but I'm enjoying the storyline anyway. :)
is dean and shirley paying phil back money for the hair salon?
richie must not have been paid in a while and this is why she don't want to work for phil or his minions anymore
is dean and shirley paying phil back money for the hair salon?
richie must not have been paid in a while and this is why she don't want to work for phil or his minions anymore
richie must not have been paid in a while and this is why she don't want to work for phil or his minions anymore
That doesn't make sense to me given that Phil had a hundred thousand sitting in a safe, and he'd want to keep Ritchie (who's kept him out of prison on numerous occasions) onside surely?
tammyy2j
20-01-2015, 20:28
Great acting by all tonight especially Kellie as Linda
Linda's smile at the end of the episode was really heartwarming! You could see the weight had physically lifted from her shoulders.
It's a shame that Dean will almost certainly not be prosecuted but I think it was worth Linda reporting the rape anyway because at least he'll be interrogated by the police, which I imagine is an unpleasant experience. I think in real life such an ordeal might be enough to stop some rapists from repeating their crime.
Does Shirley really believe Dean? I don't think so, she just didn't want to lose him again.
parkerman
21-01-2015, 16:20
I agree, Dazzle. I think Linda's sincerity hit home when Shirley asked her about what happened that night. She believed her all right. On the other hand she could see that Dean was lying, but, as you say, she doesn't want to lose him again. How far she can continue with this contradiction between what she knows to be true and what she would like to be true remains to be seen.
I agree, Dazzle. I think Linda's sincerity hit home when Shirley asked her about what happened that night. She believed her all right. On the other hand she could see that Dean was lying, but, as you say, she doesn't want to lose him again. How far she can continue with this contradiction between what she knows to be true and what she would like to be true remains to be seen.
I'm glad you're of the same opinion as I am that Dean was lying (as opposed to being deluded).
parkerman
21-01-2015, 16:35
I definitely think he is lying, though there is some element of self-justification in it. But he knows what he did.
ok I am now on Peter to be the murderer of Lucy? just because of last nights hint at the NTA - so someone inside the beale house etc etc
or is that what we are meant to think?
ok I am now on Peter to be the murderer of Lucy? just because of last nights hint at the NTA - so someone inside the beale house etc etc
or is that what we are meant to think?
On the Lucy thread we all seem in agreement that Lucy must have died in her room, so Peter's a very likely suspect. Forum member xxDanxx put forward a great theory - you should check it out!
On the Lucy thread we all seem in agreement that Lucy must have died in her room, so Peter's a very likely suspect. Forum member xxDanxx put forward a great theory - you should check it out!
the 'Jane' theory?? yes i have read it
it does make sense, but how the body was moved, I'd like a few more thoughts/ideas? and why the common near her business meeting/flat sales?
apart from Lauren and Lucy, and max - no one had ever mention or shown they knew the common existed before?
the 'Jane' theory?? yes i have read it
it does make sense, but how the body was moved, I'd like a few more thoughts/ideas? and why the common near her business meeting/flat sales?
apart from Lauren and Lucy, and max - no one had ever mention or shown they knew the common existed before?
The common is close to the square so I assume that all of the characters were familiar with it even if they've never mentioned it. The body may have been dumped there just because it was the closest place that would be deserted at the time (to give the killer some breathing space before Lucy was found). Bodies are commonly dumped/buried in woodland.
How the body was moved needs to be explained for any potential killer, but it'd be more difficult for a woman of course.
xx_Dan_xx
22-01-2015, 18:08
I believe Lucy's body was moved because the act itself was an accident rather than intentional murder. I can't really see any reason as to why someone who intended to kill her would move her body.
The only really plausible explanation I have is that it was an accident and the real killer probably assumed if the murder took place inside the Beale house, the Beale family would be very high suspects. If this is the reason the body was moved, the chance of the murderer being a Beale Family member/Jane is very high. Of course, my theory is still Jane.
xx_Dan_xx
22-01-2015, 18:08
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max and sharon have chemistry, wonder how sharon will make max pay
poor mick a lot to take in
tina was great with mick as was lee and nancy with linda
max and sharon have chemistry, wonder how sharon will make max pay
poor mick a lot to take in
tina was great with mick as was lee and nancy with linda
Ruffed_lemur
22-01-2015, 22:01
I believe Lucy's body was moved because the act itself was an accident rather than intentional murder. I can't really see any reason as to why someone who intended to kill her would move her body.
The only really plausible explanation I have is that it was an accident and the real killer probably assumed if the murder took place inside the Beale house, the Beale family would be very high suspects. If this is the reason the body was moved, the chance of the murderer being a Beale Family member/Jane is very high. Of course, my theory is still Jane.
I think moving bodies makes people look guilty, intentional or not. Accidents happen, so why act in this way? Never understand all this in soaps!
maidmarian
22-01-2015, 23:23
I think moving bodies makes people look guilty, intentional or not. Accidents happen, so why act in this way? Never understand all this in soaps!
I agree-but this time we have 2 suspects with
"body moving" facilities- the Cokers.
But do they have a motive? or is there one
of the other suspects they would help?
were they in list of suspects to cloud issue.
So far xxdanxx s theory seems best and
well thought out-but there is the moving of
body.!
maidmarian
22-01-2015, 23:23
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Superb, intense, heartwarming, heartbreaking episodes tonight. I haven't got enough superlatives for the acting and writing. It was in a soap league if it's own, up there with the best dramas. I love the Carters!! :thumbsup:
The only thing that sticks in my craw is Mick and Linda forgiving Shirley for siding with Dean. We as viewers can see why she's doing it, but I don't think Mick and Linda could forgive no matter what sob story Shirley tells. Yes, if she realises Dean's guilty and begs their forgiveness, but not while she's adamant that Linda's lying to save face! :angry:
I believe Lucy's body was moved because the act itself was an accident rather than intentional murder. I can't really see any reason as to why someone who intended to kill her would move her body.
Just look at the news any day and you'll see murderers having moved/hidden bodies for any number of reasons - usually to distance themselves from the act.
It's far more difficult for me to believe that someone moved the body after an accident. If someone dies of a true accident and no one's to blame it's pure stupidity to try and cover it up. Add to that the fact that pathologists can usually tell the difference between accidental blows and deliberate ones by the pattern of the skull fractures.
The police are adamant it's murder and must have good reason for that so, unless more evidence comes to light, I can't see the blow that killed Lucy as being anything other than deliberate. A deliberate blow, even if it was only intended to cause injury and not to kill, is still classed as murder. Plus there's Emma (a former police officer so she knows her stuff) calling it murder, and I'll be astonished and disappointed if the killing turns out to be some silly accident. (It wouldn't exactly be the first time I'd be disappointed in the resolution of a story in a soap of course!)
max and sharon have chemistry, wonder how sharon will make max pay
Max and Sharon have been very entertaining recently. Feisty Sharon's back to her best and "mad Max" is a vast improvement on sleazy Max. I can't wait to see him and Phil as enemies. :D
xx_Dan_xx
23-01-2015, 01:31
Superb, intense, heartwarming, heartbreaking episodes tonight. I haven't got enough superlatives for the acting and writing. It was in a soap league if it's own, up there with the best dramas. I love the Carters!! :thumbsup:
The only thing that sticks in my craw is Mick and Linda forgiving Shirley for siding with Dean. We as viewers can see why she's doing it, but I don't think Mick and Linda could forgive no matter what sob story Shirley tells. Yes, if she realises Dean's guilty and begs their forgiveness, but not while she's adamant that Linda's lying to save face! :angry:
You think Shirley realising that Linda has reported it to the Police should be a bit weird if she was lying. Surely Shirley should further doubt her son. I believe she does deep down already.
Dazzle - accidental death was wrong, I meant manslaughter. Lack of sleep... Haha
xx_Dan_xx
23-01-2015, 01:31
Superb, intense, heartwarming, heartbreaking episodes tonight. I haven't got enough superlatives for the acting and writing. It was in a soap league if it's own, up there with the best dramas. I love the Carters!! :thumbsup:
The only thing that sticks in my craw is Mick and Linda forgiving Shirley for siding with Dean. We as viewers can see why she's doing it, but I don't think Mick and Linda could forgive no matter what sob story Shirley tells. Yes, if she realises Dean's guilty and begs their forgiveness, but not while she's adamant that Linda's lying to save face! :angry:
You think Shirley realising that Linda has reported it to the Police should be a bit weird if she was lying. Surely Shirley should further doubt her son. I believe she does deep down already.
Dazzle - accidental death was wrong, I meant manslaughter. Lack of sleep... Haha
Dazzle - accidental death was wrong, I meant manslaughter. Lack of sleep... Haha
We're on the same page I think, just using different terminology. :)
tammyy2j
23-01-2015, 14:15
Danny Dyer and Timothy West on top form in the acting last night
I loved how Tina was with Mick, it makes no difference to her and to Stan either that Mick is Shirley's son
So Mick was 14 when Linda had Lee like Shirley with him
tammyy2j
23-01-2015, 16:50
I thought last night Shirley was going to say Mick was conceived from rape (I forgot about the love of her life Buster :p) and also Dean might confess the truth to Shirley after he said to her that she really believed him
Sylvie's turned out to really vile and I can't feel sorry for her even with the Alzheimer's. Stan isn't much better either, and now he wants his poor kids to help him die - as if they're not traumatised enough by all the revelations!
Sylvie's turned out to really vile and I can't feel sorry for her even with the Alzheimer's. Stan isn't much better either, and now he wants his poor kids to help him die - as if they're not traumatised enough by all the revelations!
she was horrid
Sylvie's turned out to really vile and I can't feel sorry for her even with the Alzheimer's. Stan isn't much better either, and now he wants his poor kids to help him die - as if they're not traumatised enough by all the revelations!
she was horrid
xx_Dan_xx
26-01-2015, 22:52
Whatever happened to Sharon's kid, he's nowhere to be seen.
parkerman
26-01-2015, 23:21
Whatever happened to Shannon's kid, he's nowhere to be seen.
Do you mean Sharon? Anyway, he's gone where all soap children go. He's not the first to disappear for months, years at a time, and no doubt will not be the last.
Whatever happened to Sharon's kid, he's nowhere to be seen.
hanging out with bobby
Whatever happened to Sharon's kid, he's nowhere to be seen.
hanging out with bobby
tammyy2j
27-01-2015, 14:03
Was Sharon's real mother on the show before?
I don't think so, she was adopted by Angie and Den Watts, I am not aware she ever tried to trace her birth mother
Was Sharon's real mother on the show before?
Yes, Sharon met her birth mother in the show in 1990. Sharon decided to stop contact when she realised that her mother only saw her as a friend and not as a daughter.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EastEnders_characters_%281990%29
Sharon also referenced meeting her birth mother in 2004, when Pat was talking to her about the Ian/Bobby/Garry situation.
alfie and jane as a couple could be good as well as max and sharon
max has some brass balls to go visit phil in jail and tell him about taking the garage
i even thought max and emma's mother were going to kiss
alfie and jane as a couple could be good as well as max and sharon
max has some brass balls to go visit phil in jail and tell him about taking the garage
i even thought max and emma's mother were going to kiss
parkerman
27-01-2015, 20:51
I thought the idea that Carol should actually think that Max was trying it on with Emma's mum was so completely unbelievable that it just completely ruined that whole scene and storyline for me.
I thought the idea that Carol should actually think that Max was trying it on with Emma's mum was so completely unbelievable that it just completely ruined that whole scene and storyline for me.
max likes his ladies much younger
I thought the idea that Carol should actually think that Max was trying it on with Emma's mum was so completely unbelievable that it just completely ruined that whole scene and storyline for me.
max likes his ladies much younger
maidmarian
27-01-2015, 21:35
max likes his ladies much younger
what about the woman in the white suit- she
looked older than him. I thought he was meant
to be her toyboy!!. But my cousin said she has
looked a lot better in other progs.
So.I wasnt on message with the storyline!
maidmarian
27-01-2015, 21:35
dupl
what about the woman in the white suit- she
looked older than him. I thought he was meant
to be her toyboy!!. But my cousin said she has
looked a lot better in other progs.
So.I wasnt on message with the storyline!
I think you mean Vanessa Gold (Zoe Lucker), she only stayed about a year but I quite liked her :)
what about the woman in the white suit- she
looked older than him. I thought he was meant
to be her toyboy!!. But my cousin said she has
looked a lot better in other progs.
So.I wasnt on message with the storyline!
I think you mean Vanessa Gold (Zoe Lucker), she only stayed about a year but I quite liked her :)
how did drunk max get in to see phil in prison so fast
flappinfanny
29-01-2015, 00:04
phil is about as scary as dale winton. 'bitch' max is so funny. you just knew the way sharon was with max he was going to change his mind.
Enjoyable scenes with sonia, jane and linda. ian in a kilt. :(
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