Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[lizann]

Last week should have been called "Tanya week". Jo Joyner carried those episodes very well, making Tanya believable and sympathetic.

Yes I dont get when it was Branning week considering Tanya surname is Jessop and her family's name is Cross

+ 1 for Jo Joyner being excellent as was the actress who plays her mother

[Dennis tanner]

That Cora is one crap Cook. What has she been doing for the past 40 years?????

[tammyy2j]

Looks like Lauren is developing a drink problem but can she play an alcoholic as well as Phil is the question though

That Derek fella is scary even though his facial expressions are very like Popeye

[megan999]

That Derek fella is scary even though his facial expressions are very like Popeye
That's funny :D I'm getting used to him, I think. I find him much scarier than Phil :p

[sarah c]

Yes, I'm sorry, Dutchgirl. I apologise for my remark. I think language could be a problem here. Racism, as the word suggests, only applies to races. Homophobia, however detestable, repugnant and loathsome is not, and could never be classed as, racism.

I will agree with you however that Masood and Zainab are homophobic as are all Muslims who interpret the Qu'ran in the way they do. Sadly, many Christians are also homophobic because of their literal translation of the Bible.

I think the word dutch was looking for was bigot? thus covering homophobes, racists, sexists etc etc

[Dennis tanner]

That's funny :D I'm getting used to him, I think. I find him much scarier than Phil :p

I certainly hope he is scarier

[xcarlyx]

That's funny :D I'm getting used to him, I think. I find him much scarier than Phil :p

So do i, i think its his eyes.

[lizann]

Is Rainie living with Jack and Derek now?

I wanted Massod and Zainab to kiss and make up tonight

[parkerman]

Talking of the Masoods...

1. How does Mas find the time during the day to sit around in the cafe, go off and see Jane, go and see Zainab and do all the other things he does? Is his post round just Albert Square? Does he not deliver letters anywhere else? Does he never have to go to the sorting office?

2. Have the scriptwriters any idea what it is like to have a small toddler around? Oh yes, just put Kamil in front of a DVD, that'll keep him quiet! No need for parental supervision. Right!

[Dutchgirl]

Poor Zainab all is not well. Amira is getting spoiled again.

Derek worries me. Bad vibe( good acting though!)

[tammyy2j]

Talking of the Masoods...

1. How does Mas find the time during the day to sit around in the cafe, go off and see Jane, go and see Zainab and do all the other things he does? Is his post round just Albert Square? Does he not deliver letters anywhere else? Does he never have to go to the sorting office?

2. Have the scriptwriters any idea what it is like to have a small toddler around? Oh yes, just put Kamil in front of a DVD, that'll keep him quiet! No need for parental supervision. Right!

At least Kamil gets mentioned and seen whereas poor Amy is missing quite a lot

[lizann]

I dont think I can take more of the Massods storyline without Christian - Yusef storyline really has dragged on but at least Afia knows the truth

[xcarlyx]

I hate Yusef so much he's vile.

[parkerman]

I dont think I can take more of the Massods storyline without Christian - Yusef storyline really has dragged on

I don't think I could take much more of the Masood storyline with or without Christian!

[Dennis tanner]

Talking of the Masoods...

1. How does Mas find the time during the day to sit around in the cafe, go off and see Jane, go and see Zainab and do all the other things he does? Is his post round just Albert Square? Does he not deliver letters anywhere else? Does he never have to go to the sorting office?
He hasn't got many to deliver as Billy is still stealing them.

[Dennis tanner]

I dont think I can take more of the Massods storyline without Christian - Yusef storyline really has dragged on but at least Afia knows the truth

How do we know what the truth is?

[JustJodi]

He hasn't got many to deliver as Billy is still stealing them.

LOL I have to agree Dennis Tanner Billy may just be doing that LOL

[JustJodi]

Is Rainie living with Jack and Derek now?

I wanted Massod and Zainab to kiss and make up tonight


doesn't look like it happened,, he went straight to Jane and played tongue hockey....

[JustJodi]

Gang the subtitles went out on me just as Uncle Tarq told Afia about her dad,, or something what exactly did he say??? Thanks I know I can depend on U guys xooxox

[Snagglepus]

Yusef's Magic Coat.
How did he do that trick at his birthday party?
In the room he has no coat on, the lights dim and Zainab comes in with his birthday cake, his coat appears on him when he blows the candles out, next second his coat disappears again. Tommy Cooper never even managed to do that. Sheer Magic.

[Dazzle]

Gang the subtitles went out on me just as Uncle Tarq told Afia about her dad,, or something what exactly did he say??? Thanks I know I can depend on U guys xooxox

Afia asked Tariq if Zainab would still be in any danger from Yusef's family in Pakistan (as they'd tried to burn her alive), to which Tariq answered that it wasn't Yusef's family that set the fire, but Yusef himself. Duff duff.....

[JustJodi]

Afia asked Tariq if Zainab would still be in any danger from Yusef's family in Pakistan (as they'd tried to burn her alive), to which Tariq answered that it wasn't Yusef's family that set the fire, but Yusef himself. Duff duff.....

Thanks Dazzle :-)

[xcarlyx]

why did Yusef set Zainab on fire?

[parkerman]

I've felt like doing it myself recently.

[Dennis tanner]

Yusef's Magic Coat.
How did he do that trick at his birthday party?
In the room he has no coat on, the lights dim and Zainab comes in with his birthday cake, his coat appears on him when he blows the candles out, next second his coat disappears again. Tommy Cooper never even managed to do that. Sheer Magic.

He did it just like that

[kayuqtuq]

why did Yusef set Zainab on fire?


Yusuf and Zainab were husband and wife in their youth. Then Zainab met and fell in love with Masood and intended leaving Yusuf for Mas, so Yusuf set her on fire.

[lillabet]

He did it just like that

it was amusing lol

[lillabet]

Yusuf and Zainab were husband and wife in their youth. Then Zainab met and fell in love with Masood and intended leaving Yusuf for Mas, so Yusuf set her on fire.

as you do

[xcarlyx]

Yusuf and Zainab were husband and wife in their youth. Then Zainab met and fell in love with Masood and intended leaving Yusuf for Mas, so Yusuf set her on fire.

thanks for telling me :3
Jesus wish she'd run away from him.

[Dennis tanner]

I thiink that our Ace doctor may have been pressured by his family into doing something silly.

[tammyy2j]

Yusuf and Zainab were husband and wife in their youth. Then Zainab met and fell in love with Masood and intended leaving Yusuf for Mas, so Yusuf set her on fire.

Did he actually set her on fire or the house and she was trapped inside?

[lillabet]

I think she was in the kitchen cooking, they made a big thing when they first came that she never cooked, even though she was apparently a brilliant cook, and it was obvious there was an underlying reason, she only recently got over that, and started cooking again.

[Dennis tanner]

It appear to me that it was an 'honour' thing which he did and then regreted. He does appear to have gone back into the fire.

[Dutchgirl]

Aaah Alfie and Kat have a real talk!!!!!!

Kim is so funny.

What is Michael pretendng to be? I think Janine sincerely cares about him. Derek was vile to Michael when he was young. ( I can see why he became a cold character in his older years)

[lillabet]

I think he only went in so people didn't think he'd done it, he's only trying to win her back, break up her family for revenge.

[lillabet]

It appear to me that it was an 'honour' thing which he did and then regreted. He does appear to have gone back into the fire.

I think he only went in so people didn't think he'd done it, he's only trying to win her back, break up her family for revenge.

[lizann]

Alfie telling Kat take a shower as he thinks she cheated again they are heading for another break up

[Katy]

Alfies really starting to get on my nerves!

I love Kim, shes so funny.

[tammyy2j]

Zainab is an idiot

[megan999]

Michael is broke because Vanessa stole all his money. Why didn't he see her on the CCTV? Eddie must have rigged the flashing red light on the camera to fool Vanessa.

[JustJodi]

Alfie telling Kat take a shower as he thinks she cheated again they are heading for another break up


Yup I was thinking the same thing,,, poor Kat didn't do any thing this time,,, geeze,, ah well Alfie needs to grow a PAIR...

[JustJodi]

Zainab is an idiot


Yes a blithering blind stupid idiot,, dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Katy]

Wish Zainab would stop being so miserable on my screen!! shes really annoying me! along with Alfie.

Is that the last we have seen of rainie, its a shame if it is i liked her.

[tammyy2j]

I thought Zainab was going to tell Mas or Denise about Yusef starting the fire

[megan999]

Is that the last we have seen of rainie, its a shame if it is i liked her.I liked her as well, I think the actress was good. What was the reason she gave for leaving? I missed what she said :(
Who is older, Rainie or Tanya?

[Katy]

i think it was because she said that she had to leave for tanyas sake as she should never had said the things that she said about her treatment but she apologised for what she said before she went,.

I loved her break up with Derek!

[Dutchgirl]

Wish Zainab would stop being so miserable on my screen!! shes really annoying me! along with Alfie.

Is that the last we have seen of rainie, its a shame if it is i liked her.

It felt rushed her leaving like this. But she looked healty and clean.

[xcarlyx]

I was expecting Masood to stop the wedding :(

[Dutchgirl]

I was expecting Masood to stop the wedding :(

Yep me too.

[megan999]

Is that the last we have seen of rainie, its a shame if it is i liked her.I think I read somewhere that she'll be back.

[lizann]

I was expecting Masood to stop the wedding :(

Yes him or Afia I thought would

[xcarlyx]

Yes him or Afia I thought would

Obviously, Afia or Masood doesn;t care about Zainab that much

[parkerman]

What did you expect Afia to do? She knows that Zainab knows that it was Yusef who started the fire. What else can she say or do?

[xcarlyx]

What did you expect Afia to do? She knows that Zainab knows that it was Yusef who started the fire. What else can she say or do?

tell masood?

[parkerman]

And then what?

[Dutchgirl]

And then what?
Well the man has to realize that he will loose Kamil if Zainab goes to Pakistan.

[parkerman]

Well the man has to realize that he will loose Kamil if Zainab goes to Pakistan.

I think he is already well aware of that.

[Dennis tanner]

Yusef and Zainab are now happily married. I love an happy ending:cheer::clap:

Phil Mitchell trashes yet another premises:nono:

Billy Mitchell admits everything to the Police including stealing the post:o

[lizann]

What did you expect Afia to do? She knows that Zainab knows that it was Yusef who started the fire. What else can she say or do?

Tell her husband Tamwar or Syed

[Dennis tanner]

Tell her husband Tamwar or Syed

Why? She is old enough to make her own decisions

[JustJodi]

Why? She is old enough to make her own decisions


I don't think she is capable to make an informed decision at this point,, U could see she wanted to jump up and say something...Syed would have backed her up all the way..

[parkerman]

But what good would it have done? Zainab knows what Yusef did. What difference would it have made if Syed and Tamwar knew too? They wouldn't have stopped Zainab marrying Yusef.

[tammyy2j]

But what good would it have done? Zainab knows what Yusef did. What difference would it have made if Syed and Tamwar knew too? They wouldn't have stopped Zainab marrying Yusef.

Yusef kinda tricked Tamwar into thinking marry him was best for the mother and Amira (with Yusef's backing) is tricking Syed if both Tamwar and Syed knew they might have been able to change Zainab's mind

Does Afia and Tamwar know what Yusef did with Christian and the baby's dna tests yet?

[lizann]

But what good would it have done? Zainab knows what Yusef did. What difference would it have made if Syed and Tamwar knew too? They wouldn't have stopped Zainab marrying Yusef.

They might have stopped her

I love if Phil's stalker was Billy and he takes all Phil's money and businesses

[Dennis tanner]

I don't think she is capable to make an informed decision at this point,, U could see she wanted to jump up and say something...Syed would have backed her up all the way..

Syed would be useless as always

[JustJodi]

MO,,,,,,,,,, OH THAT WOMAN,,,, oooooh she makes me so mad..she really dropped Jean in it..benefit fraud ??????Didn't Jean win a lottery drawing a bit ago ???
Ha Ha Ha Ha I AM SPARTACUS,, oh my I laughed,,I am glad Heather is leaving cos she really is a worthless character, and I do not think she had anything to do with the stalking thing, she just isn't smart enough to come up with something like that ..Another thing did any one notice that Phil himself had a drawer full of unopened addressed envelopes ??? I hope they tell us who the stalker is soon cos I am tired of this whole drawn out thing. Once again Billy ends up with the shortest stick ,I think Lola will FIX things ...not sure how but I just think she will come up with something...

[Dennis tanner]

I totally loath Mo Harris

[parkerman]

Another thing did any one notice that Phil himself had a drawer full of unopened addressed envelopes ???
I thought they were the envelopes he's received.

[JustJodi]

I thought they were the envelopes he's received. yes I thought of that as well but why keep them there since Shirley knows all about them its not as if it is a secret ...ah the mystry....

[tammyy2j]

I am Spartacus :lol:

[JustJodi]

I am Spartacus :lol:
I laughed my butt off when they all started that,, Phil looked like he was gonna kill one of them or all IF he could LOL

[lizann]

I wonder was it really Stacey who texted Jean or Kat and Mo pretending to be Stacey so they could persuade her take the blame for Mo's f*ck up over the benefits

[Katy]

Poor jean! She was so mortified when ot turned out he was from the benefits office. If staceywas there she would have gone mental!

[Dazzle]

I'm really disgusted that Kat and Alfie manipulated Jean into taking the blame for Mo's crime. How could they do that to her? Mo needs to take the consequences of her actions! :angry: :thumbsdow

[parkerman]

If staceywas there she would have gone mental!
That's a bit of an unfortunate turn of phrase!:)

[Dennis tanner]

I'm really disgusted that Kat and Alfie manipulated Jean into taking the blame for Mo's crime. How could they do that to her? Mo needs to take the consequences of her actions! :angry: :thumbsdow

Disgusting behaviour by them all including the vile Mo for even suggesting it:angry::angry::angry:

Poor Jean:(

[xcarlyx]

I can't believe Kat and Alfie for suggesting Jean takes the blame on Mo's behalf. Mo's done the crime let her do the time!

[tammyy2j]

It was good to see Bianca back on screen but not good seeing Ricky being a raver and getting it on with Mandy

[Dennis tanner]

I can't believe Kat and Alfie for suggesting Jean takes the blame on Mo's behalf. Mo's done the crime let her do the time!

There were no developments last night. Are we to believe that Poor Jean is really going to take the blame?:angry::nono:

[Dennis tanner]

It was good to see Bianca back on screen but not good seeing Ricky being a raver and getting it on with Mandy

How thick can Thicky Ricky be? even though daft Pat says he's not a failure:wall:

[parkerman]

How thick can Thicky Ricky be?
He can be as thick as a pilchard.

[Dennis tanner]

He can be as thick as a pilchard.

Good one

[megan999]

I am happy to see Rickaaay and Bianca back on EE. They make me laugh :D

[Dennis tanner]

Ricky has 3 looks.
1. Smiley
2. Puzzled
3. Gormless

[tammyy2j]

Hard to believe Zainab was once a strong bitchy kinda interesting character, this storyline is dragging on so much I want Yusef to kill her now and put the viewers out of our misery (well me out of my misery)

[Perdita]

Hard to believe Zainab was once a strong bitchy kinda interesting character, this storyline is dragging on so much I want Yusef to kill her now and put the viewers out of our misery (well me out of my misery)

only 3 more days, tammy ;)

[Dennis tanner]

Poor Yusef

[parkerman]

When Masood opened his door he picked up a lot of Christmas cards from his mat.

Who posted them?

[JustJodi]

Poor Yusef



Dennis are u sure it isn't poor Zainab ??? LOL

[JustJodi]

When Masood opened his door he picked up a lot of Christmas cards from his mat.

Who posted them?


elves ?????

[Dennis tanner]

Dennis are u sure it isn't poor Zainab ??? LOL

It's poor Yusef. He only wanted a little bit of revenge

[JustJodi]

it's poor yusef. He only wanted a little bit of revenge

revenge ??? Ok :searchme:

[tammyy2j]

When Masood opened his door he picked up a lot of Christmas cards from his mat.

Who posted them?

Billy Mitchell

[parkerman]

Billy Mitchell

:lol: :rotfl: :D

[megan999]

I am also getting bored of the Yusef storyline. Roll on Christmas Day :D
Was nice to see Max looking out for Jean the other day. She needs help.
Only bad things will come from those penguins :ninja:
Why is Anthony annoyed with Whitney?

[Dennis tanner]

Alfie Moon, Kat Moon, Mo Harris.

I am still hating them with a vengence

[Dutchgirl]

OMG it hasn't been this thrilling since when???? I just wanted to grab Kamil my selve.

Bianca and Whitney awww!

Michael does have a care in him, nice to see it.

Cannot wait for tomorrow night!!

[Dennis tanner]

The IDIOTS living in the pub have still not realised why Jean is ill.

[parkerman]

So Masood and Denise are given the name of the street where the cafe is. They take the underground train to get there but when they arrive at the station they have no idea where the street is. How did they know what underground station to go to if they didn't know where the street is?

And anyway, isn't Masood a postman!!!???

[megan999]

Don't forget - EE is on tonight 8.45pm-9.20pm :)

[xcarlyx]

Feel sorry for Jean at the moment. Gillian is such a good actress.

Fed up of the Zainab/Yusef storyline too thank god it ends soon.

[megan999]

EE on tonight 9pm to 10pm :)

[lizann]

Why dont Zainab or Massod call the police on Yusef?

[parkerman]

I suppose at that point it was because they didn't know where Kamil was and if Yusef was arrested they might never find him if Yusef wouldn't say where he was.

Of course, they did call the police in last night's episode.

[Dennis tanner]

EE script failure

[parkerman]

EE script failure

What is?

[tammyy2j]

So Ben knows all Phil's secrets and dirty dealings and is the mastermind behind the blackmail

[megan999]

So Ben knows all Phil's secrets and dirty dealings and is the mastermind behind the blackmail

And yet he didn't stop when Lola almost lost her baby. What a **** :(

[tammyy2j]

And yet he didn't stop when Lola almost lost her baby. What a **** :(

And even tried to blame Heather the little sh*t

[xcarlyx]

Hate Ben.

Poor Zainab. Really looking forward to the episode tonigt.

[tammyy2j]

Wow gotta hand to EE even though it gets some telling off on here even from myself super episode tonight probably the best soap this year for Xmas time

Mas wont be happy with Zainab for telling Yusef and Tamwar than Afia was in the house ok she didnt tell Tamwar but he overheard from Fatboy who heard Yusef shouting for her after Zainab told him btw what a wuss Syed is he didnt make any effort to stop Tamwar or help his father Christian of course was the hero

I was sure the recording was gone in the fire but Denise handed it in expect more fireworks between her and Shirley

[parkerman]

Wow gotta hand to EE even though it gets some telling off on here even from myself super episode tonight probably the best soap this year for Xmas time



Yes, I agree. There were probably a number of nitpicky things that could be pointed out but it's really not worth it as the episode was so exciting. For once, well done, EE :thumbsup:

[Dennis tanner]

Two many flaws to make it a good episode

[tammyy2j]

Two many flaws to make it a good episode

EE does drama and tension very well it defo beat Corrie and Emmerdale for me as best soap for Xmas this year very thrilling episode

[megan999]

I really enjoyed yesterday's episode. I watched the repeat again this afternoon :D I wonder if the fire brigade will pick up on the illegal fireworks that were in the building. Yusef's death fall was suitably dramatic.
When Ben said to Shirley, "I've killed him, haven't I" re: Phil, it made me laugh.

[Dennis tanner]

EE does drama and tension very well it defo beat Corrie and Emmerdale for me as best soap for Xmas this year very thrilling episode

The problem with EE is that is has very very few likeable characters

[Timalay]

I think Himesh Patel has really come on as actor over the years.

[Dennis tanner]

I think Himesh Patel has really come on as actor over the years.

I don't dislike him, in fact I like him but I don't actually agree with you

[lizann]

How is Phil charged with Kevin's murder?

[Dennis tanner]

How is Phil charged with Kevin's murder?

He'e charged with offences relating to the cars

[lizann]

I thought when the cops came to the hospital to charge Phil they said charging him with Kevin Wicks murder maybe I was wrong :o

Where has Pat got cancer?

[parkerman]

I thought when the cops came to the hospital to charge Phil they said charging him with Kevin Wicks murder maybe I was wrong :o



Sorry, Liz, you are wrong! Dennis is right. He was charged with selling dodgy motors (or whatever the technical term for the offence is).

[megan999]

Where has Pat got cancer?I think it's in her lungs. :(

[JustJodi]

I think it's in her lungs. :(

pancreas, bones, and lungs,, shes got an aggressive type of cancer it runs rampant ...

Was so sad seeing her like this... her and Mo really do like each other,, Janine really needs a swift kick in the **** and a slap upside the head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JustJodi]

Hmmmm Janine running off to a clinic for an unplanned pregancy ??????????????? wow thats one for the books,, I do not recall , if she ever got pregnant with any of the MANY men she had sex with ????????????????????????

[Abbie]

I think it would be really interesting if she kept the baby, shes one of those characters who you wouldnt expect to have a kid, I think it would be good for her

[lizann]

I got teary eyed tonight seeing Pat I expect floods from myself when she dies

[Dennis tanner]

pancreas, bones, and lungs,, shes got an aggressive type of cancer it runs rampant ...

Was so sad seeing her like this... her and Mo really do like each other,, Janine really needs a swift kick in the **** and a slap upside the head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What has Janine done wrong? She lent Pat the money when she was desperate for it. She bought Bianca's brood presents for Christmsas but they and, Bianca and Ricky treat her like ****.

[parkerman]

What has Janine done wrong? She lent Pat the money when she was desperate for it. She bought Bianca's brood presents for Christmsas but they and, Bianca and Ricky treat her like ****.

And then demanded the money back when she knew they couldn't afford it; brought the payment date forward and said she was charging a late payment penalty when Ricky was THREE MINUTES late. And this to her own family when she is a millionaire and can easily afford to wait for the money she lent.

Oh yes, Dennis, she's a wonderful woman.

[megan999]

Yes, Janine is a total cow, but you have to give credit to Charlie Brookes who plays her :D

[Dennis tanner]

And then demanded the money back when she knew they couldn't afford it; brought the payment date forward and said she was charging a late payment penalty when Ricky was THREE MINUTES late. And this to her own family when she is a millionaire and can easily afford to wait for the money she lent.

Oh yes, Dennis, she's a wonderful woman.

She is not a wonderful woman. She is a spiteful woman taking it out on a family that want nothing to do with her. All she wanted to do was spend some time with them at Christmas and they told her to get lost.

[parkerman]

She is not a wonderful woman. She is a spiteful woman taking it out on a family that want nothing to do with her. All she wanted to do was spend some time with them at Christmas and they told her to get lost.

Ah, poor Janine. Is that all she wanted? How ungrateful her family are.

[Dennis tanner]

Ah, poor Janine. Is that all she wanted? How ungrateful her family are.

Agreed

[lizann]

Pat death was very rushed imo it would have been better over a week or two after her diagnosis

The scene with Pat and Janine was heartbreaking very sad

Why didnt Carol introduce Whitney to David she is Bianca's daughter too that annoyned me

[JustJodi]

I do not know about the rest of you, we were given the impression that Pat was going to die alone in her bed, I am actually glad that she died in the arms of her son David and surrounded by every one that loved her.. yep even Janine !!!!! I do not think her death was rushed at all...Janine once again has lost 2 women who she learned to love ( her gramma ) and the woman who she loved but didn't realize it until that moment..was really sad,,,and well played .. I missed the first 10 minutes ..missed the part where Derek and Pat and Tanya have it out. My partner was like whoa this David Wicks was NOTHING like Nick Jordan,, wow,, this was the first time either of us saw Michael French in David Wicks role ,,

[JustJodi]

Pat death was very rushed imo it would have been better over a week or two after her diagnosis

The scene with Pat and Janine was heartbreaking very sad

Why didnt Carol introduce Whitney to David she is Bianca's daughter too that annoyned me

Whitney is NOT Bianca's daughter .....and at that point I think Bianca was just overjoyed to see her daddy after all this time ..

[JustJodi]

I think it would be really interesting if she kept the baby, shes one of those characters who you wouldnt expect to have a kid, I think it would be good for her


Oh I agree,, looks like shes going to keep it ????????????

[LostVoodoo]

David Wicks was soooo good, I really hope he stays for a bit, so much history there. Plus it was nice to see not magically become a nicer or different person, yes, he loves his mum really, but he's still a bad 'un.

[parkerman]

Digressing very slightly, but, talking of Michael French, has any other actor ever appeared in two "continuing dramas" at the same time?

[JustJodi]

David Wicks was soooo good, I really hope he stays for a bit, so much history there. Plus it was nice to see not magically become a nicer or different person, yes, he loves his mum really, but he's still a bad 'un.


I do not know anything about the Wicks boys so I am going to ask you guys to fill me in,,, Why is David so BAD was he like Nick Cotton ?????

[parkerman]

I do not know anything about the Wicks boys so I am going to ask you guys to fill me in,,, Why is David so BAD was he like Nick Cotton ?????

David is the son of Pat Evans and her first husband Pete Beale. Pat and Pete split up when David and his brother Simon were young and Pat remarried to Brian Wicks, who adopted both David and Simon (who turned out to be Brian's biological son). Meanwhile Pete remarried to Kathy Hills and had another son, Ian. Pete had no further contact with David and Simon when they moved away from Walford in 1966.

During his teenage years David got his girlfriend Carol Branning pregnant. David and the rest of the Branning family tried to persuade Carol to have an abortion and after Carol's brother Derek severely beat David up the Wicks family left Walford, so David never really knew whether Carol did have the abortion or not. For the next few years David, along with his mother and brother, suffered at the violent hands of his abusive stepfather Brian. Pat also proved to be a negligent mother due to her alcoholism and constant promiscuity and after turning 17, David began living with his girlfriend Lorraine Foster away from his parents. During this time Lorraine fell pregnant by him and after they married she gave birth to their son Joe in 1980 when David was 18. This was shortly followed by the birth of their daughter Karen in 1982. However David was a restless man who felt he had been tied down too young and after embarking on several affairs he walked out on his wife and children in 1988, losing all contact with them.

David returned to Albert Square in 1993 for the funeral of his father Pete, who had died in a car crash two weeks earlier. A few weeks later he turned up on the doorstep of his mother Pat and soon went into business with her stepson Ricky Butcher with a car lot that they named "Deals on Wheels". He received a blast from the past in the form of Carol and her large brood of children and soon found himself falling for her oldest daughter Bianca. Carol was very frosty and hostile towards him, and was horrified when she witnessed the growing relationship between David and Bianca. This resulted in Carol telling David that Bianca was his daughter in March 1994. David was stunned but agreed to keep his distance from Bianca, much to her chagrin. Eventually the truth was revealed to an embarrassed Bianca in March 1995 when, after drunkenly trying to kiss David after he rescued her from almost being mugged, David was forced to confess that she was his daughter. Despite being initially frosty towards David, Bianca soon formed a close relationship with her father.

David received a further shock when his estranged son Joe turned up in Walford in April 1996. With him came the news that his daughter Karen had died in a car accident nine months previously. Joe's return caused many problems for David, and at first David rejected the idea of having his son back in his life. However, after Joe ran away and turned up at David's again, he became more receptive to Joe and having him in his life again. Eventually Joe and Lorraine moved down to London from Bolton and Joe moved in with David. Things went OK for a little while but Karen's death had seriously affected Joe. Joe blamed himself for Karen's death because on the day that Karen died, they'd had an argument over who would sit in the front seat in the car. Joe won and Karen was sitting in the back when a lorry crashed into the car. Karen was horrifically injured and died, whilst Joe walked away with little more than bruises. This led to Joe developing schizophrenia and exhibiting increasingly weird behaviour that got progressively worse. This was too much for David and one of the reasons why he eventually left Walford.

David was a notorious womaniser. He had relations with Sam Mitchell and an affair with Cindy Beale, the wife of his half-brother Ian. Unfortunately Cindy became obsessed with the idea of running off with David, and hired a hit man to kill Ian. Ian was shot but survived, and when David found out, he felt it was too much and ended the relationship, but not before helping her escape with her two sons. Shortly after, David had a fling with old flame, Carol.

Eventually, the truth came out about David's affair and fore-knowledge of the attempted murder of Ian, and with the loss of friends and alienation of his family, together with Joe's worsening mental condition with schizophrenia he decided it was too much and left Albert Square for Milan in a torrent of tears one night after telling Joe he was going.

It has also just been revealed that David has had an affair with Simon's wife.

[JustJodi]

Ok so David Wicks was basically if nothing more than a womanizer,, so he wasn't a murderer or any thing drastic,, ok peachy keen jelly bean :-)

[Dennis tanner]

I do not know anything about the Wicks boys so I am going to ask you guys to fill me in,,, Why is David so BAD was he like Nick Cotton ?????

He's not like Nick Cotton or Nick Berry:nono::D

[Ruffed_lemur]

Really lovely that David made it in time to see Pat. :)

[tammyy2j]

Another top episode of EE RIP Pat she will be missed

I cried at the scenes with Janine and her and also with David it is great seeing him back

I expected Phil and Patrick to visit Pat also

[Dennis tanner]

Another top episode of EE RIP Pat she will be missed

I cried at the scenes with Janine and her and also with David it is great seeing him back

I expected Phil and Patrick to visit Pat also

Patrick Yes....Phil...No.....Phil is far too self centred to bother.

[Abbie]

Pat death was very rushed imo it would have been better over a week or two after her diagnosis



I have to disagree, I know that 1 or 2 weeks would still have been a short time but I think the way they did it was more dramatic but also how quick cancer can be if not detected. I think it also works well with tanyas storyline

[lizann]

Whitney is NOT Bianca's daughter .....and at that point I think Bianca was just overjoyed to see her daddy after all this time ..

Yes but Bianca is Whitney's step mother and legal guardian and sees Whitney as her daughter yet Carol didnt mention her only Liam and Morgan as Tiffany has introduced herself I think

David looks very sexy

[Dennis tanner]

Yes but Bianca is Whitney's step mother and legal guardian and sees Whitney as her daughter yet Carol didnt mention her only Liam and Morgan as Tiffany has introduced herself I think

David looks very sexy

Whitney is now too old to need a guardian. In any case Bianca was not very good at it.

[Siobhan]

always had a major crush on David when he was full time in EE.. nice to see him back

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

All I can say is... Ian has a WASHING MACHINE! :eek:

[Dutchgirl]

All I can say is... Ian has a WASHING MACHINE! :eek:

I was thinking the same. Hahaha.

So David is Ian's half brother?

[tammyy2j]

always had a major crush on David when he was full time in EE.. nice to see him back

He looks better with age

[JustJodi]

Ok how many of you noticed the biggest boo boo of them all HOW DID DAVID KNOW HIS WAY AROUND THAT HOUSE,,, I am guessing Pat never lived in that house when the Wicks boys were in Walford,, and how did he know which room was Pat's ??? My guy and I were like ok we don't know much about David or Simon, but obviously they didn't live in THAT house that PAT died in...

[parkerman]

Ok how many of you noticed the biggest boo boo of them all HOW DID DAVID KNOW HIS WAY AROUND THAT HOUSE,,, I am guessing Pat never lived in that house when the Wicks boys were in Walford,, and how did he know which room was Pat's ??? My guy and I were like ok we don't know much about David or Simon, but obviously they didn't live in THAT house that PAT died in...

That's exactly what I said to my wife.

I was also curious to know in which room David slept. Presumably not in Pat's room. So let's consider this....As well as Pat's room, there's Ricky and Bianca in one room, Carol in another, Whitney and Tiff in a fourth (?), Liam and Morgan in a fifth. How many rooms does this house have? With that many rooms it makes it even more surprising that David knew which was Pat's.

[Dennis tanner]

always had a major crush on David when he was full time in EE.. nice to see him back

He made a mighty fine doctor

[tammyy2j]

Ok how many of you noticed the biggest boo boo of them all HOW DID DAVID KNOW HIS WAY AROUND THAT HOUSE,,, I am guessing Pat never lived in that house when the Wicks boys were in Walford,, and how did he know which room was Pat's ??? My guy and I were like ok we don't know much about David or Simon, but obviously they didn't live in THAT house that PAT died in...

I thought he lived there with Pat the first time he was around

Shirley really is an idiot to still put up with and have to clean up for Phil

[flappinfanny]

ee has been nothing short of amazing. congrtats to all. the jewel in auntys crown.

[Dutchgirl]

ee has been nothing short of amazing. congrtats to all. the jewel in auntys crown.

I thought they did an amazing job.

Janine lying on Pat's bad was so emotional.

I saw the tribute to Pat and the actors where having trouble keeping their eyes dry during shooting the epi.

Kudos to all and of course especially Pam St. Clement.

[Abbie]

All I can say is... Ian has a WASHING MACHINE! :eek:

haha I know, must be too lazy to use it most of the time

[Katy]

I think the last few episodes have been really good. Very moving.

[Dennis tanner]

I think the last few episodes have been really good. Very moving.

Sundays's episode was good. The rest have been average. The only moving scene was Pat and Janine.

[Katy]

i havent seen any since sunday. Probably shoul have made that clear.

[Dennis tanner]

i havent seen any since sunday. Probably shoul have made that clear.

They have just been normal average episodes since Sunday.

[tammyy2j]

I dont understand Ian and Mandy's relationship I mean has she even kissed or slept with Ian?

[Perdita]

I dont understand Ian and Mandy's relationship I mean has she even kissed or slept with Ian?

Are they not living together?

[tammyy2j]

Are they not living together?

Yes they were living in the same house but to me Mandy seems repulsed by Ian

[Dennis tanner]

Yes they were living in the same house but to me Mandy seems repulsed by Ian

But he does have a bit of money

[lizann]

Roxy works fast cant blame her though he is very sexy

I wish Amira would leave

[jules29]

I wish Amira would leave[/QUOTE]

I wish they would get rid of Admira!

As for Roxy, she used to rib Alfie about his age, calling him Grandad, and now she wants to get it on with David? Not only is Michael French 2 years older than Shane Richie ... he looks it! Roxy is 15 years younger (and yeah nothing wrong with age gaps, look at Carol and David Essex) but keep some consitency.

[Dennis tanner]

As for Roxy, she used to rib Alfie about his age, calling him Grandad, and now she wants to get it on with David? Not only is Michael French 2 years older than Shane Richie ... he looks it! Roxy is 15 years younger (and yeah nothing wrong with age gaps, look at Carol and David Essex) but keep some consitency. Is Roxanne competing for Kat's slapper of the Square award

[Dazzle]

Great to see DCI Marsden back :D

[megan999]

Can't believe they brought Christian back to recycle the tired storyline about him and Syed's forbidden love. And yes, I too am tired of Amira!!!
Am finding Derek tiresome too, not a very good baddie.

[Dennis tanner]

Can't believe they brought Christian back to recycle the tired storyline about him and Syed's forbidden love. And yes, I too am tired of Amira!!!
Am finding Derek tiresome too, not a very good baddie.

I have no doubt they will be together again but what next? More arguments I guess.

[lizann]

Is Roxanne competing for Kat's slapper of the Square award

Good to see Amy is her top priority as usual

[parkerman]

Good to see Amy is her top priority as usual

Well, she's not with her now is she?

[flappinfanny]

love derek branning in ee. hes pretty vile, but hes more of a pantomime villain, but hes very enjoyable to watch brillantly played by jamie foreman.

[Abbie]

I dont get the whole thing with derek and david

[tammyy2j]

I dont get the whole thing with derek and david

My take on Derek Del Boy Trotter :p is that he is very possessive of his siblings could be as he is the oldest and also David got Carol pregnant when she was very young and abandoned her. I hope we get more of the backstory and history between David and Derek. I thought the pictures of Pat up were missing person posters for a minute :o.

Kim is becoming one of my favourite characters she is very funny

Amira is a deluded idiot, Syed is gay

I would have thought with Christian helping to save Massod in the fire might have brought him closer to the family and more accepted as Syed's partner but I think Mas and Zainab might still what Syed with Amira

[Dennis tanner]

Kim is becoming one of my favourite characters she is very funny She is the most OTT character in soap at the moment. She makes me cringe


Amira is a deluded idiot, Syed is gay

I would have thought with Christian helping to save Massod in the fire might have brought him closer to the family and more accepted as Syed's partner but I think Mas and Zainab might still what Syed with Amira

Amira is slightly deluded but she certainly knows that Syed is gay. Syed ruined her life and she doesn't want him to get away with it. I don't see why she or the Masoods should accept Christian.

[parkerman]

Amira is slightly deluded but she certainly knows that Syed is gay. Syed ruined her life and she doesn't want him to get away with it. I don't see why she or the Masoods should accept Christian.

The Masoods should accept Christian because Syed is their son and it is Christian who he loves and who makes him happy. Surely that is what any parent should want for their child?

[Perdita]

The Masoods should accept Christian because Syed is their son and it is Christian who he loves and who makes him happy. Surely that is what any parent should want for their child?

But Syed also loves his daughter and Amira knows how to exploit that

[tammyy2j]

She is the most OTT character in soap at the moment. She makes me cringe


Amira is slightly deluded but she certainly knows that Syed is gay. Syed ruined her life and she doesn't want him to get away with it. I don't see why she or the Masoods should accept Christian.

There is far worse OTT unfunny characters in soap than Kim, I think she is a hoot myself

Amira dont want to punish Syed she wants him back as her husband she wont accept he is gay

[Ruffed_lemur]

There is far worse OTT unfunny characters in soap than Kim, I think she is a hoot myself


I like Kim, she's great!

[Dennis tanner]

The Masoods should accept Christian because Syed is their son and it is Christian who he loves and who makes him happy. Surely that is what any parent should want for their child?

1. Syed has let them down many times and this latest busness is the icing on the cake.
2. Christian makes him happy? They can't go an episode without arguing. They have made up more times than I have had hot dinners.

Kim is far too in yer face and I just don' find her funny at all.

[parkerman]

1. Syed has let them down many times and this latest busness is the icing on the cake.
2. Christian makes him happy? They can't go an episode without arguing. They have made up more times than I have had hot dinners.



1. Syed let them down before he came on to the Square but since then he has only let them down because they are homophobic and didn't want him to enter a gay relationship. Do you think the Masoods were right to more or less force him into marriage with Amira? Is that what you are saying, that they were right to be homophobic?
2. That's not his parents' problem. If he thinks Christian makes him happy then he does, that's what any parent should be supporting.

[Perdita]

1. Syed let them down before he came on to the Square but since then he has only let them down because they are homophobic and didn't want him to enter a gay relationship. Do you think the Masoods were right to more or less force him into marriage with Amira? Is that what you are saying, that they were right to be homophobic?
2. That's not his parents' problem. If he thinks Christian makes him happy then he does, that's what any parent should be supporting.

If the Masoods and Amira stopped interfering in Syed's and Christian's lives, they would not argue as much

[megan999]

Personally, I'd be happy if Amira & Syed left Walford forever!!! But Kadeem making a brief appearance for his Princess was quite amusing.

[Dazzle]

I think Syed was wrong to contact Amira's hateful father and more or less try to chuck her out of the Masoods. Just because he wants a divorce doesn't mean that Amira and Yasmin aren't still part of the family. He acted like he wasn't going to see Yasmin again when he thought Amira was leaving.

I'm glad though that Amira's been put straight about where she stands with Syed.

As for Kim, I hated her at first but have come to find her really funny.

[megan999]

Personally, I find Kim hilarious.
Amira doesn't want to give up her "family" i.e. Masood, Zainab et al.
I am now detesting Derek, to speak ill of the dead, i.e. Pat, to score points with David, it made my skin crawl. He is not like Del Boy that role goes to Alfie.

[Dazzle]

Yeah, what Derek said to David was well out-of-order. I guess we're starting to see Derek's true colours.

[Dennis tanner]

1. Syed let them down before he came on to the Square but since then he has only let them down because they are homophobic and didn't want him to enter a gay relationship. Do you think the Masoods were right to more or less force him into marriage with Amira? Is that what you are saying, that they were right to be homophobic?
2. That's not his parents' problem. If he thinks Christian makes him happy then he does, that's what any parent should be supporting.

As I recall, Syed came home one day with rich girl Amira, a girl they had no knowledge about. He proposed to her and because he was broke his parents were forced to pay thousdands for his farce of a wedding complete with fancy horse.
Now I would call that letting them down.

[flappinfanny]

i personally love tameka empson as kim. she is hilarious. classic kimbeley going back to an ep at the end of september when she was gettin ready to go on the pull with kat and she asked patrick and denise what dress to choose from the yellow or blue:
"moira stuart on a sunny day or kate middelton , moira or queen kate." delivered brillantly and so funny. and they say ee dosen't do comedy. i think the writing has been great lately and has a lot to do with former corrie writer daran little who now writes for ee. i think the relationship between kim, denise and patrick works very well and they have had some lovely scenes lately. ee is certainly on top of its game.:cheer:

[Abbie]

Yeah, what Derek said to David was well out-of-order. I guess we're starting to see Derek's true colours.

Thats the thing, It just feels like apart from getting Carol pregnant, Derek has just held this grudge

[Dennis tanner]

i personally love tameka empson as kim. she is hilarious. classic kimbeley going back to an ep at the end of september when she was gettin ready to go on the pull with kat and she asked patrick and denise what dress to choose from the yellow or blue:
"moira stuart on a sunny day or kate middelton , moira or queen kate." delivered brillantly and so funny. and they say ee dosen't do comedy. i think the writing has been great lately and has a lot to do with former corrie writer daran little who now writes for ee. i think the relationship between kim, denise and patrick works very well and they have had some lovely scenes lately. ee is certainly on top of its game.:cheer:

EE cannot do subtle comedy

[parkerman]

As I recall, Syed came home one day with rich girl Amira, a girl they had no knowledge about. He proposed to her and because he was broke his parents were forced to pay thousdands for his farce of a wedding complete with fancy horse.
Now I would call that letting them down.

He did it because he was under pressure from them to find a good Muslim girl because of their views on homosexuality. He was trying to please them. It was the Masoods who let Syed down not the other way round.

[Dazzle]

Thats the thing, It just feels like apart from getting Carol pregnant, Derek has just held this grudge

Maybe there's more to it that we don't know about yet, or maybe Derek is just the type who'll hold a grudge to his death - he seems the type. I'm glad to see David standing up to him, so far, anyway.

I'm loving the scenes between Carol and David - reminiscient of EE at its best.

[tammyy2j]

Maybe there's more to it that we don't know about yet, or maybe Derek is just the type who'll hold a grudge to his death - he seems the type. I'm glad to see David standing up to him, so far, anyway.

I'm loving the scenes between Carol and David - reminiscient of EE at its best.

Derek didnt like Alan either maybe its just Carol's fellas he dont like

[Perdita]

Derek didnt like Alan either maybe its just Carol's fellas he dont like

He did not like Alan because of the colour of his skin

[Dennis tanner]

He did it because he was under pressure from them to find a good Muslim girl because of their views on homosexuality. He was trying to please them. It was the Masoods who let Syed down not the other way round.

They let Syed down when they allowed him to scam then for thousands of pounds

[sarah c]

They let Syed down when they allowed him to scam then for thousands of pounds

no how could they 'allow' themselves to be scammed? you are either scammable or not..

and once he returned to the Square and the family fold he was acceptable, until he came out as gay...and then he was effectively the devil-incarnate

[parkerman]

The Masoods were quite happy to pay for Syed's wedding. By that point Zainab knew that he was gay but still insisted he go ahead with the marriage otherwise he would "bring shame" on them. That's all they were concerned about. They have never been concerned about Syed's personal happiness. They have continually let him down while he's been caught between loyalty to his parents and wanting to please them and his own feelings.

[lizann]

I thought Amira and Syed were going to Pakistan for their new business venture is that cancelled now?

Massods would choose Amira over Syed even I'd say

[Perdita]

Massods would choose Amira over Syed even I'd say

Not sure they would if she did not have the baby

[tammyy2j]

LOL at Bianca telling Morgan his dad is Barack Obama

Tiffany with David was cute and Janine talking about her nightmare/dream was funny as well

Why did Carol think Max (no relation to Pat) would want to help pay for her funeral?

[parkerman]

Why did Carol think Max (no relation to Pat) would want to help pay for her funeral?
Because he's her brother and famerlee is everything in Eastenders.

[Dazzle]

Unusual for EE to have such a romantic scene as David and Carol getting together at the end of the episode. Awww....:heart:.

It made a nice change. Now if only I thought it would end well...

[megan999]

Unusual for EE to have such a romantic scene as David and Carol getting together at the end of the episode. Awww....:heart:.

It made a nice change. Now if only I thought it would end well...Yes, it was very sweet. Nice that their chemistry has survived all these years since they were 14.

[tammyy2j]

Yes, it was very sweet. Nice that their chemistry has survived all these years since they were 14.

I say they are each others true loves

[Dennis tanner]

no how could they 'allow' themselves to be scammed? you are either scammable or not..

and once he returned to the Square and the family fold he was acceptable, until he came out as gay...and then he was effectively the devil-incarnate

They allowed themselves to be scammed because they trused the deceitful slimeball. Zainab found out that he was gay about an hour before the wedding.

[parkerman]

They allowed themselves to be scammed because they trused the deceitful slimeball. Zainab found out that he was gay about an hour before the wedding.

And she said, "Syed, you mustn't go through with this wedding. You must go back to Christian."

Oh no, she didn't say that did she?

[Dennis tanner]

And she said, "Syed, you mustn't go through with this wedding. You must go back to Christian."

Oh no, she didn't say that did she?

She told him to finish was HE had started.

[lizann]

Derek is such a panto villian

[Dutchgirl]

Derek is such a panto villian

Know what you mean. He is not at all scary. We've had better in EE.

Archie Mitchell being one of them!

[Dennis tanner]

Derek is such a panto villian

Maybe but I don't think that he's scared of he likes of Phil Mitchell

[Siobhan]

She told him to finish was HE had started.

but even that is not right.. look what happened in the end... 3 people ended up been hurt.. Christian lost Syed but eventually got him when Syed was caught out, Amira was left with a baby and lost the man she loved and though loved her and Syed had to go on living a lie in a sham marriage. It would have been better to lose the money and save Amira from been a disgrace but no.. Zainab didn't want to look bad in front of the muslim community... I know been gay is a huge sin but as a mother you want the best for your kids and if that mean they go against what you believe but if it makes them happy, isn't that all you could ask for (exception for me is if my kids were murders and rapist, then I would totally shop them)

[parkerman]

She told him to finish was HE had started.

And why had he started it?

[Dutchgirl]

I just noticed and realized. Jane is serving in cafe she sold to Phil (Shirley)? What has she done with the money>
And is it just me or is the café looking in a sorry state after just being refurbished? It looks more drab every minute!

[tammyy2j]

I just noticed and realized. Jane is serving in cafe she sold to Phil (Shirley)? What has she done with the money>
And is it just me or is the café looking in a sorry state after just being refurbished? It looks more drab every minute!

So Jane, Carol, Bianca, Shirley and Heather all work in the cafe

[Dazzle]

So Jane, Carol, Bianca, Shirley and Heather all work in the cafe

I think Heather was fired by Phil.

[tammyy2j]

I think Heather was fired by Phil.

Maybe she seems to have plenty work anyways in the laundrette and also for Janine as a cleaner

[sarah c]

Maybe she seems to have plenty work anyways in the laundrette and also for Janine as a cleaner

no one living in the square ever has to work elsewhere do they? it must have a 100% employment record, onsite...I wish I could work in the road where I live....

[tammyy2j]

no one living in the square ever has to work elsewhere do they? it must have a 100% employment record, onsite...I wish I could work in the road where I live....

Plus plenty free childcare and babysistters

[Dennis tanner]

but even that is not right.. look what happened in the end... 3 people ended up been hurt.. Christian lost Syed but eventually got him when Syed was caught out, Amira was left with a baby and lost the man she loved and though loved her and Syed had to go on living a lie in a sham marriage. It would have been better to lose the money and save Amira from been a disgrace but no.. Zainab didn't want to look bad in front of the muslim community... I know been gay is a huge sin but as a mother you want the best for your kids and if that mean they go against what you believe but if it makes them happy, isn't that all you could ask for (exception for me is if my kids were murders and rapist, then I would totally shop them)

There was only one villain in the piece. Syed. He should have been honest with his famly at least before asking virgin muslim girl to marry him.

[sarah c]

There was only one villain in the piece. Syed. He should have been honest with his famly at least before asking virgin muslim girl to marry him.

because when faced with social and family pressure that is so easy!!

For some gay people the pressure on not being gay is so intense it is safer and easier to live a lie...but eventually they have to betruthfull to themselves

[Siobhan]

There was only one villain in the piece. Syed. He should have been honest with his famly at least before asking virgin muslim girl to marry him.

Ok, here is the suitation.. you were confused about your sexuality and you find a girl you like but then meet a guy who makes you feel like you never felt before... on top of this, you have just been forgiven by your parents who you hadn't seen for years and you are back with your family who you deeply missed... do you then say "oh btw I am gay" when you know your parents will never ever speak to you again.. Syed did love Amira but Christian made him feel like he never felt before... what do you do??? it was a very difficult choice for Syed and as Parkerman had said all along, it wouldn't have been so bad if he knew he would have his parent blessing.... Syed lost his family cause he fell in love. I fail to see how he is the villian in all this.

[parkerman]

There was only one villain in the piece. Syed. He should have been honest with his famly at least before asking virgin muslim girl to marry him.

One villain? And you think that the Masoods should have no blame at all? They were right to ostracise Syed because he was gay were they? They were right to pressurise him to keep quiet about his gay affair? They were right to try and force him to stay with Amira even though he is gay?

[Dennis tanner]

because when faced with social and family pressure that is so easy!!

For some gay people the pressure on not being gay is so intense it is safer and easier to live a lie...but eventually they have to betruthfull to themselves I understand all this. My problem is that his selfishness affects other people.


Ok, here is the suitation.. you were confused about your sexuality and you find a girl you like but then meet a guy who makes you feel like you never felt before... on top of this, you have just been forgiven by your parents who you hadn't seen for years and you are back with your family who you deeply missed... do you then say "oh btw I am gay" when you know your parents will never ever speak to you again.. Syed did love Amira but Christian made him feel like he never felt before... what do you do??? it was a very difficult choice for Syed and as Parkerman had said all along, it wouldn't have been so bad if he knew he would have his parent blessing.... Syed lost his family cause he fell in love. I fail to see how he is the villian in all this. Most Syed fans claim that he has always known that he is gay. Is there any evidence that he deeply missed his family? Is there any evidence that he really loved Amira? There is evidence that he knew that her father was very rich when he met her. What he should have done was NOT propose to her and finish with her. He should then have got together with Christian and left Walford. He wanted the best of all worlds and he ruined this girls life.


One villain? And you think that the Masoods should have no blame at all? They were right to ostracise Syed because he was gay were they? They were right to pressurise him to keep quiet about his gay affair? They were right to try and force him to stay with Amira even though he is gay? The Masoods were deceived by him untill minutes before the wedding. The ostricised him because of his general behaviour not because he was gay.

[Siobhan]

I understand all this. My problem is that his selfishness affects other people.

Most Syed fans claim that he has always known that he is gay. Is there any evidence that he deeply missed his family? Is there any evidence that he really loved Amira? There is evidence that he knew that her father was very rich when he met her. What he should have done was NOT propose to her and finish with her. He should then have got together with Christian and left Walford. He wanted the best of all worlds and he ruined this girls life.

The Masoods were deceived by him untill minutes before the wedding. The ostricised him because of his general behaviour not because he was gay.

Yes, I do think Syed had an idea he was gay but because of his religion he surpressed those thoughts and feelings until he met Christian. And yes, he did love Amira, he said it time and time again plus he had said to Christian that he was so confused cause he loved them both... Plenty of evidence he missed his family..you only have to see the bond between himself and Tamwar to know that, plus even after he got with Christian he had tried so hard to be loved and wanted by his parents. We are looking at religion versus sexuality in this case.. do you go with your heart, i.e Christian or with your head i.e your religion.. He entered the sham marriage to please his parents, another indication that he didn't want them to be disgraced. It only end when he was found out by his Dad and then he told everyone. If he was never caught, I think he would have continued with the double life until Christian said enough is enough...

They ostricised him cause he was gay.. his family was in disgrace over this and it was clear when Christian was badly beating and Mas walked past him. He is still not allowed in the house or family due to his sexuality, not his behaviour.. I think they could forgive deceit but not him been gay

I do agree he is very selfish and it does affect other people but my sole annoyance is the behaviour of the parents.. if you children are happy with their sexuality and it makes them happy, then this should be a very strong reason to support them.

[parkerman]

The ostricised him because of his general behaviour not because he was gay.

If you think that then you have completely missed the whole point of this very long storyline.

[Dennis tanner]

I do agree he is very selfish and it does affect other people but my sole annoyance is the behaviour of the parents.. I prefer to be annoyed by the person who was so selfish that he ruined a girls life and bought disgrace on his family.


If you think that then you have completely missed the whole point of this very long storyline. What is the point then? That we should accept disgraceful behaviour just because someone is gay?

[tammyy2j]

Zainab and Massod having an affair while she was married to Yusef also brought disgrace Syed isnt the only one

[sarah c]

I prefer to be annoyed by the person who was so selfish that he ruined a girls life and bought disgrace on his family.

What is the point then? That we should accept disgraceful behaviour just because someone is gay?

why is being gay disgraceful?

what syed did was cowardley because he wouldnt stand up and admit who he was, and would rather 'do the right thing' for a quiet life. Something hundreds of people do every year because of family pressure

[Siobhan]

I prefer to be annoyed by the person who was so selfish that he ruined a girls life and bought disgrace on his family.

What is the point then? That we should accept disgraceful behaviour just because someone is gay?

He ruined her life cause in the end he was forced into marrying her... it could have ended before they got married and she would not have had the baby, would not have been disgraced by marrying a gay man and who forced him into it??? oh yeah.. his mother!!! he told her he wasn't going to do it but she forced him.. so if you look at it that way Zainab ruined 2 peoples lives...

Nobody is saying you should accept disgraceful behaviour cause someone is gay but the actions of his parents have a lot to do with this too

[Dennis tanner]

He ruined her life cause in the end he was forced into marrying her... it could have ended before they got married and she would not have had the baby, would not have been disgraced by marrying a gay man and who forced him into it??? oh yeah.. his mother!!! he told her he wasn't going to do it but she forced him.. so if you look at it that way Zainab ruined 2 peoples lives...

Nobody is saying you should accept disgraceful behaviour cause someone is gay but the actions of his parents have a lot to do with this too

The wedding was HIS idea. Zainab ddi not know about his deceit untill a few hours before the wedding and assumed that he would be able to do the honourable thing

[tammyy2j]

Is David staying in Pat's room?

Derek ironing Amy's clothes :lol:

[Siobhan]

The wedding was HIS idea. Zainab ddi not know about his deceit untill a few hours before the wedding and assumed that he would be able to do the honourable thing

I know that and it is what I have said before..he did love Amira and he was mixed up with his sexuality and losing his family.. When Zainab found out they went to a room together and Syed said that he was not going through with it cause he loved Christian and if I remember rightly it was Zainab that told him to forget about Christian and marry Amira.. So Syed was going to do the honourable thing and NOT marry Amira...

[Katy]

Is David staying in Pat's room?

Derek ironing Amy's clothes :lol:

I thought it looked like pats room at the beginning.

[flappinfanny]

I just noticed and realized. Jane is serving in cafe she sold to Phil (Shirley)? What has she done with the money>
And is it just me or is the café looking in a sorry state after just being refurbished? It looks more drab every minute!

yeap it is a bit. but not if you compare it to when ee began in 85 when sue and ali had the kaff. greasy spoon it was!!!

[Dennis tanner]

I know that and it is what I have said before..he did love Amira and he was mixed up with his sexuality and losing his family.. When Zainab found out they went to a room together and Syed said that he was not going through with it cause he loved Christian and if I remember rightly it was Zainab that told him to forget about Christian and marry Amira.. So Syed was going to do the honourable thing and NOT marry Amira...

The honourable thing would have been not to propose to the girl or even to break it off before his parents had shelled out thousands on his fancy wedding. Would he have called it off if Zainab hadn't found out....Prorably not.

NB....Please don't get the idea that I don't like Syed:)

[flappinfanny]

tonight's ee should be a cracker. Aunty has promised a bit extra at the end of the credits and has said for ee fans to stay tuned. is this to stop you turning over to the other side? naughty. :D

[Siobhan]

The honourable thing would have been not to propose to the girl or even to break it off before his parents had shelled out thousands on his fancy wedding. Would he have called it off if Zainab hadn't found out....Prorably not.

NB....Please don't get the idea that I don't like Syed:)


With the NB, no probs.. I am actually enjoying discussing this with someone with opposing view...
Yes it would have been better to call it off from the start but I will go back to my old quote, he loved Amira, he was confused about his feeling for Christian and his religion played a lot in it too... He would have had to tell his parent why he called it off and risked losing them.. they wanted grandkids, they wanted him to be a respectable muslim so I personally think he married to please them, not himself... If his parents had been a bit more understand and accepting of his sexuality, this would never have been a problem.. he needed their support and failed to get it and is still failing no matter how much he tries to make it up to them now

[parkerman]

That's exactly it, Shiv.

The point of this storyline is to show how prejudice can wreck lives. The Masoods are prejudiced against gays because the Qu'ran says they should be. They had a choice whether to support their son or worry about their peers and the thought that having a gay son would bring shame on them. They chose to ostracise their son and give in to prejudice. If she was a loving mother, Zainab would have supported Syed in calling off the wedding however much it cost and however late in the day. Remember Arthur and Michelle and Kevin and Sophie come to that. Parents should want what is best for their children not abandon them - or worse, make them do something that could completely ruin their lives - because of their religion or the worry that their friends will having nothing to do with them any more. What sort of friends would they be anyway? Syed has been caught in the middle of love and respect for his parents on the one hand and his true feelings on the other. He has been through months of utter turmoil. Out of all of them he has to be the one you feel most sorry for.

[Dennis tanner]

With the NB, no probs.. I am actually enjoying discussing this with someone with opposing view...
Yes it would have been better to call it off from the start but I will go back to my old quote, he loved Amira, he was confused about his feeling for Christian and his religion played a lot in it too... He would have had to tell his parent why he called it off and risked losing them.. He clearly did not love Amira as a potential sexual partner. You are suggesting that he did not know he was gay until he met Christian and I do not believe this to be true. He could have claled it off by telling his parents that he no longer loved her and this would have been more or less the truth.


they wanted grandkids, they wanted him to be a respectable muslim so I personally think he married to please them, not himself... If his parents had been a bit more understand and accepting of his sexuality, this would never have been a problem.. he needed their support and failed to get it and is still failing no matter how much he tries to make it up to them now He had the option of being honest from them from the start. By being deceitful he didn't give them the chance to support him properly. Masood never knew about it till some time after the wedding and because Zainab found out about it far too late, she was not in a position to give rational advice.



That's exactly it, Shiv.

The point of this storyline is to show how prejudice can wreck lives. The Masoods are prejudiced against gays because the Qu'ran says they should be. They had a choice whether to support their son or worry about their peers and the thought that having a gay son would bring shame on them. They chose to ostracise their son and give in to prejudice. If she was a loving mother, Zainab would have supported Syed in calling off the wedding however much it cost and however late in the day. Remember Arthur and Michelle and Kevin and Sophie come to that. Parents should want what is best for their children not abandon them - or worse, make them do something that could completely ruin their lives - because of their religion or the worry that their friends will having nothing to do with them any more. What sort of friends would they be anyway? Syed has been caught in the middle of love and respect for his parents on the one hand and his true feelings on the other. He has been through months of utter turmoil. Out of all of them he has to be the one you feel most sorry for. REspect works both ways. You are not deceitful with people you are supposed to respect. I feel sure that they took into consideration all the other times his conduct had let them down.

[Siobhan]

He clearly did not love Amira as a potential sexual partner. You are suggesting that he did not know he was gay until he met Christian and I do not believe this to be true. He could have claled it off by telling his parents that he no longer loved her and this would have been more or less the truth.
He had the option of being honest from them from the start. By being deceitful he didn't give them the chance to support him properly. Masood never knew about it till some time after the wedding and because Zainab found out about it far too late, she was not in a position to give rational advice.

As a muslim he would have been brought up to think if you are gay then you are a bad person and a disgrace.. Yes he admitted to Christian there was on other guy but he was in total conflict. For him, Amira was a way to show everyone that he was not gay, he was in turmoil and didn't know how he should feel.. heart and head conflict. You saw Zainab reaction to Christian when she found out he was gay, Syed saw this so how do you think he felt??? he thought "I am going to be treated the same way".. the only person who showed him any support was Tamwar.. As a parent your main concern should be to see your children happy.. After she found out, she could see Syed was unhappy but still didn't support him then... She was that ashamed of him, she couldn't even discuss this with her husband.. He has been out for 2 years now and has shown he is a good person but still Mas treats him with no respect.

[Dennis tanner]

As a muslim he would have been brought up to think if you are gay then you are a bad person and a disgrace.. Yes he admitted to Christian there was on other guy but he was in total conflict. For him, Amira was a way to show everyone that he was not gay, he was in turmoil and didn't know how he should feel.. heart and head conflict. You saw Zainab reaction to Christian when she found out he was gay, Syed saw this so how do you think he felt??? he thought "I am going to be treated the same way".. the only person who showed him any support was Tamwar.. As a parent your main concern should be to see your children happy.. After she found out, she could see Syed was unhappy but still didn't support him then... She was that ashamed of him, she couldn't even discuss this with her husband.. He has been out for 2 years now and has shown he is a good person but still Mas treats him with no respect. If we ignore the fact that he was previously ostricised because he stole off his own family, I accept that Syed has had to make some difficult decisions. However, I would have prefered him to have worked through his problems without wrecking someone elses life. As a 'Good Muslim' he must have known what he was doing to Amira. If he had ben open and honest from the start it would have been difficult. However, his difficulties with his parents would not have lasted, as proved by his current situation.

[tammyy2j]

If we ignore the fact that he was previously ostricised because he stole off his own family, I accept that Syed has had to make some difficult decisions. However, I would have prefered him to have worked through his problems without wrecking someone elses life. As a 'Good Muslim' he must have known what he was doing to Amira. If he had ben open and honest from the start it would have been difficult. However, his difficulties with his parents would not have lasted, as proved by his current situation.

Syed is only back living at home because Amira and the baby is with him, do you think if he was with Christian they Massods would have them round

Syed wanted his mother Zainab to stop the wedding but she made him marry Amira - Syed was a scared person didnt he even try and commit suicide over it at some stage

Anyways back to the show at present and I think Carol should follow her heart and go with David

[Siobhan]

If we ignore the fact that he was previously ostricised because he stole off his own family, I accept that Syed has had to make some difficult decisions. However, I would have prefered him to have worked through his problems without wrecking someone elses life. As a 'Good Muslim' he must have known what he was doing to Amira. If he had ben open and honest from the start it would have been difficult. However, his difficulties with his parents would not have lasted, as proved by his current situation.

I guess we will never know what would have happened if he had been honest from the start but the whole storyline was about been gay and a muslim and the conflicts and disgrace it brings... It surprised me the reaction that his family gave him considering at one stage when Tam was doing standup, his mother joked about him been gay like she accepted that... I think as Syed was the first born,he had more to live up to.

[parkerman]

As a 'Good Muslim' he must have known what he was doing to Amira.
As a "Good Muslim" he would know that homosexuality is a sin. How do you think that made him feel?

[Dennis tanner]

Syed is only back living at home because Amira and the baby is with him, do you think if he was with Christian they Massods would have them round

Syed wanted his mother Zainab to stop the wedding but she made him marry Amira - Syed was a scared person didnt he even try and commit suicide over it at some stage He could have stopped it himself at any stage. He did not need Mommy's permisssion.


Anyways back to the show at present and I think Carol should follow her heart and go with David I think Carol likes being in EE