Eastender current episode discussion IV

[Glen1]

so he was told of the toilet attack, thought he be raging wanting to kill them
I thought he had been told ,my apologies if i'm mistaken. He did go to the school ,but tonight after yet another incident , Martin seems totally unaware of what's happening to Bex. These incidents have become unbearable to watch. Really feel it needs drawing to a conclusion now.

[Rear window]

I thought he had been told ,my apologies if i'm mistaken. He did go to the school ,but tonight after yet another incident , Martin seems totally unaware of what's happening to Bex. These incidents have become unbearable to watch. Really feel it needs drawing to a conclusion now.

yes, the sooner the better. as with the Dominic abuse story on Holby I just can't watch anymore.

[flappinfanny]

A good balanced episode tonight with something for everyone. Nice touches of humour and some hard hitting stuff with Bex.

[lizann]

is stacey really up duffy

i want to box the heads off them 3 girls and yes i hope the end is near is it sonia that bex called?

[Rear window]

is stacey really up duffy

i want to box the heads off them 3 girls and yes i hope the end is near is it sonia that bex called?

One would have to assume so.

I want some proper justice for Bex. These nasty nasty girls need sorting out.

[tammyy2j]

did the school ever tell martin about what happened bex in the toilets, was it just brushed off by the school

I think the school had no evidence, they did quiz the girls but it was Bex's word against the 3 of them and I don't think any of their parents were informed

It was good to have Sonia and Jean back and I am so glad Bex finally spoke up

[parkerman]

So late on a Good Friday, Ian manages to get an Estate Agent to sort out all the details of putting a business up for sale and put the For Sale board up.....

[Rear window]

I think the school had no evidence, they did quiz the girls but it was Bex's word against the 3 of them and I don't they any of their parents were informed

It was good to have Sonia and Jean back and I am so glad Bex finally spoke up

However she still stormed out because she's unhappy and left them to argue about her.

Sonia's request is really sensible.
But doesn't deal with the bullying issues. Will they turn on louise now if Bex is gone?

And it gave Martin's sister a chance to stand up for him.

I do think the bullying issue needs dealing with to a good conclusion otherwise it doesn't give any hope to anyone being bullied who might be watching EE.

[kaz21]

I think the school had no evidence, they did quiz the girls but it was Bex's word against the 3 of them and I don't they any of their parents were informed

It was good to have Sonia and Jean back and I am so glad Bex finally spoke up

With cameras only in the corridors but not the toilets. It was 3 against 1. Even with bex's torn clothes.

[Glen1]

With cameras only in the corridors but not the toilets. It was 3 against 1. Even with bex's torn clothes.
One camera focused on the entrance to the toilet block had been deliberately turned so no view of louise stood guard outside or who went in. Alexandria taunted the form teacher about that when she was interviewed . Martin had been called into the school previously and I incorrectly thought he'd been contacted for this incident, would have expected school policy to contact parents of all involved. Bex in particular must have been at high risk of self-harm. Louise was ready to crack , brief chat from a police officer she'd have probably opened up. All that Bex has had from Martin was a lecture of how he had faced up to responsibility for Jamie's death ,how it had made him a better person and that Bex in essence I suppose should grow up, hardly supportive advice given the circumstances, ( Rant over) :)

[tammyy2j]

The school was wrong not to contact all the parents

[flappinfanny]

Although I loved feisty Sonia, she has got a nerve, she is a hypocrite.

[Perdita]

Loved Sharon being pushed into the pool :rotfl:

[lizann]

louise has no remorse and phil will be proud another bullying mitchell

[tammyy2j]

Sonia and Martin should also go to the police, they bullies came into Bex's home and broke her guitar :angry:

[lizann]

louise should not have got off

does babe know sylvie is dead? lee and linda couldn't make it either yet they not far away

linda hires woody and is paying him?

i hope lady di is alive

[Glen1]

So is that the conclusion for the bullying story ? What a load of old rubbish if it is ...:angry:

[parkerman]

louise should not have got off



You should know by now that this is Eastenders - no consequences for anyone.

[flappinfanny]

Loved Sharon being pushed into the pool :rotfl:

So did I.

I thought Lee Ryan made a decent start in the show. I will be interested to see how Linda knows him and why Mick dislikes him so much. Felt a bit let down we didn't see Sonia at the school.

Good that Shirley got released from the klink. Is Donna going to have carbon monoxide poisoning? Poor Lady Di, is she a gonner, or was she not under the rubble?

[Rear window]

So is that the conclusion for the bullying story ? What a load of old rubbish if it is ...:angry:

Yes utterly crap waste of storyline.

Maybe it's not over yet.

[tammyy2j]

Yes utterly crap waste of storyline.

Maybe it's not over yet.

Is Louise next in line to be bullied by the other two, a way to redeem her and then Bex and Star will help her

I don't think Sonia should have apologised to Sharon, I think Sharon and Louise should have apologised to her, Martin and Bex

I was hoping to see what would happen at the school who were also in the wrong

Was Woody (Lee from Blue) eyeing up Whitney :p

Give Denise another storyline, this loved up with Kush is already boring me

[lizann]

louise should be punished and who buys bex a new guitar she has a music exam how with no guitar

[flappinfanny]

Poor Lady Di, even Shirley cared for the mut. Glad Bex shut the door in Louise's face. Is there some chemistry between Woody and Carmel? So Donna is going to move in with Ben and Jay. It made me smile when Donna described her flat as a dump, yet it was immaculate compared to Ben and Jay's place. :D

[lizann]

michelle playing nice with louise, her niece's bully that dont seem right

[Rear window]

Oh what a load of nonsense with the vet.

I think the script writers have lost the plot.

[flappinfanny]

Kim did make me smile when she was thrown out of the Vic for being anti animals, loved her throw away line about liking Scooby Doo. I hate to admit it, but I am very similar to Kim, I can hear me saying "if you can't use a toilet"...... but like Kim I don't have any pets, nor would I want any. (On a serious note it does break my heart when I see cruelty to them) Also LOL funny was when Shirley punched the scarecrow of Sharon.

Lauren is a cow. The scenes with Jay and Donna were very natural and well acted. I hope we see more of Donna in her own right now. We can see what Max's game is now. This storyline is going to be a slow burner. I wonder if this is going reach it's climax around Christmas? And a different tack for the bullying story line focusing on Louise. The bullies have got to get their comeuppance surely?

Finally nice to have a topless scene with Woody. :o

[tammyy2j]

Does anyone else think a future romance for Jay and Donna, I like Donna living with Ben and Jay, why did Vincent not offer to help Donna, they are "siblings"

Kim and Shirley were funny

I have no interest in Lauren's storyline

[flappinfanny]

Memo to Coronation Street, this is how you can be funny without uttering a word:-


http://i66.tinypic.com/34ezytz.gif

[lizann]

did donna not call jay a paedo for his relationship with young linzy star, but no one bating an eyelid for michelle and preston

lady di is linda's dog she should be told

can max work his own hours as he is mostly around the square not in his fancy office and clearly carmel fancies him

[flappinfanny]

Good start to the week. Lee Ryan has been good so far in the role of Woody, good interaction with Whitney. Glad to be seeing more of Derek. It seems the bullying storyline is taking a new direction with Louise.

Good duff duff. Max's smile. :D

[tammyy2j]

I am liking Woody too and think he has good chemistry with Shirley

[Glen1]

Will Woody stay on when Mick returns ?

[kaz21]

Sounds like he's gonna cause trouble soon, so I'm not sure

[lizann]

Sounds like he's gonna cause trouble soon, so I'm not sure

if max gets his way they be no pub for woody

[flappinfanny]

Woody has a dark side. I think Lee Ryan is only in it for a short stint sadly. Poor Johnny. :(

[tammyy2j]

Woody has a dark side. I think Lee Ryan is only in it for a short stint sadly. Poor Johnny. :(

I was thinking maybe he is working with Max but how would he know him

[lizann]

ben fancies woody and whitney too by looks of it

[Rear window]

lol some cheesey bits tonigĥ

[lizann]

tina fancying a bit of woody too, can we expect another up duffy storyline, no mention of zsa zsa when tina talking everyone leaving her

woody bar manager sharon bar manager shirley licencee whitney full time barmaid plus tracy johnny abi and tina

[flappinfanny]

Some lovely comic touches tonight. Loved the scene with Jay, Ben, Donna and Abi. Jay had the line of the night describing Abi "She's an olive short of a Pizza."

Also funny Lisa Faulkners character thinking Shirl was the cleaner. :D

[lizann]

what is honey's problem with derek, give him a chance he is older but nice, so unlike her

the show should bring in zsa zsa and her father

[lizann]

why does sharon need vic bar manager job she should have given it up and saved national institute tracy

[kaz21]

I agree, Sharon should of gone.

[flappinfanny]

Yes she should, Tracey gone. :crying:

Is this the beginning of the end ....... Duff Duff Duff

[flappinfanny]

I did feel Dot. Good twist with Josh being Max's boss.

[lizann]

sharon was fired too

i see ian would not offer tracey a job but vincent did #justicefortracey

[tammyy2j]

Was anything done to Bex's bullies, I presumed as they don't live in the area, they should not hang around where she lives, I hope one day bullies are brought to justice by the law

[Perdita]

Was anything done to Bex's bullies, I presumed as they don't live in the area, they should not hang around where she lives, I hope one day bullies are brought to justice by the law

There is more to come with them

[tammyy2j]

There is more to come with them

Yes I know now Louise is their target now but I expected punishment for all they did to Bex

[Perdita]

Yes I know now Louise is their target now but I expected punishment for all they did to Bex

Seems that Sonia talking to them was all they got

[lizann]

fit band watches they really are punishing beales

louise is an idiot as is sharon wanting them in the house

[parkerman]

I am over the moon with unalloyed delight and joy as the Beales continue to prosper and face a brighter future with so much happiness. It's really good to see.

Meanwhile that dastardley Max seems to be a real villain. Boo! Hiss!

[flappinfanny]

Seems that Sonia talking to them was all they got

That is not sending out a very good message.

[flappinfanny]

An improvement on last night. Louise is a silly childish little girl and will pay the price sadly.

Jack is really suffering and it is good to see they have not shown Jack getting over it, because you don't. But saying that I don't want it to go on for ever. Nice scenes with Ian and Jane, SOC is trying to undo the damage done by DLT and make them likeable. Not sure it has worked yet, but we will see.

[parkerman]

Nice scenes with Ian and Jane, SOC is trying to undo the damage done by DLT and make them likeable. Not sure it has worked yet, but we will see.

The only way he can do that is have them face some retribution for what they did. Glossing over it and turning them into the nicest couple on the street will never repair the damage.

[tammyy2j]

The only way he can do that is have them face some retribution for what they did. Glossing over it and turning them into the nicest couple on the street will never repair the damage.

And at the rate Max's revenge is going by the time he finally goes after them, Bobby will be grown up and out and could be more dangerous :p

Why is Whitney acting like a mother to Johnny, she really annoys me, she serves no purpose on the show now that Lee is gone and letting her go instead of Tracey would be better

[flappinfanny]

When Bobby comes out of the klink he will have a new head.

[lizann]

bex helping enemy louise who looks to have alcohol poisoning :angry:

[flappinfanny]

Tonight was mediocre. Tilly Keeper was good. Bex is too kind for her own good. I know this sounds horrible but I didn't have much sympathy for Louise, what goes around comes around.

Good scenes with Sharon and Michelle and hard hitting with Denise. It will be interesting to see if the bullies finally get their just desserts? If they don't, the BBC are sending out the wrong message, which would be unforgivable.

[lizann]

louise will blame bex or keegan for spiking her drink not madison and alex

how is michelle managing, has she money saved as tim froze their accounts

denise get benefits don't be proud ask kim for help

[flappinfanny]

louise will blame bex or keegan for spiking her drink not madison and alex

how is michelle managing, has she money saved as tim froze their accounts

denise get benefits don't be proud ask kim for help

I'd rather starve. What was galling and so well done was the fact Kim was wasting money on revolting matching sailor outfits for her and Pearl. Kim dresses that child like a pet poodle.

[parkerman]

louise will blame bex or keegan for spiking her drink not madison and alex

I think Max will get the blame.

[Glen1]

bex helping enemy louise who looks to have alcohol poisoning :angry:
If it is ,with the bleeding from the mouth she might not survive ? Did Denny see Alex and Madison mixing the drink cocktail ?

[kaz21]

He might have, I think he was in the kitchen. I'm sorry but Travis was useless. If your that worried you would have done something your self, rather than just get bex. Screw your curfew .

[flappinfanny]

He might have, I think he was in the kitchen. I'm sorry but Travis was useless. If your that worried you would have done something your self, rather than just get bex. Screw your curfew .

He's a wet blanket. Easy on the eye, but good for nothing else.

[Glen1]

Yet another miraculous recovery, and seemingly Alex And Madison walk off into the sunset to plan their next attack.:angry:

[lizann]

how stupid is louise and sharon believing them girls

where has charlie been all the time, does vincent know he is back as he got rid of him

[parkerman]

The supervision on the Community Service Team seems pretty lax. Michelle is always chatting away to people on the Square.

[flappinfanny]

Very sad for Denise. Louise deserves everything she gets. Why would you leave two bullies in your home to go and see ex best friend? Bex did the right thing distancing herself from Louise.

Nice twist at the end with Charlie returning. Max will get his revenge one by one and then I am sure there will be a twist where he will also come a cropper, after all Max is the biggest loser of them all.

[lizann]

Very sad for Denise. Louise deserves everything she gets. Why would you leave two bullies in your home to go and see ex best friend? Bex did the right thing distancing herself from Louise.

Nice twist at the end with Charlie returning. Max will get his revenge one by one and then I am sure there will be a twist where he will also come a cropper, after all Max is the biggest loser of them all.

max is being build up as the big bad evil villain

[parkerman]

max is being build up as the big bad evil villain

Well he has been in prison you know. Apparently he killed Lucy, so we shouldn't have any sympathy at all for him.

[Rear window]

The supervision on the Community Service Team seems pretty lax. Michelle is always chatting away to people on the Square.

There are some that cut the grass at a local 'community allotment' near me. They chat and drink tea a lot too.
We had some come and tidy up a space for our street too, they did a bit but not a huge amount. It isn't like sending them breaking rocks with quotas to fill.
Which depends how you feel about how much punishment it should be.

[Rear window]

Well he has been in prison you know. Apparently he killed Lucy, so we shouldn't have any sympathy at all for him.

It will be a shame if he really is the black sheep people thought he was when he wasn't.

Once Jane is walking it'll all be back to normal more or less for the Beales.

[flappinfanny]

Its a miracle she can walk. :)

[lizann]

bex should just give up louise will never listen and deserves all she gets

how can denise pay the mortgage with no job she cant afford food still

[flappinfanny]

Louise deserves everything she gets. Diane Parish was excellent again tonight. I really do feel for Denise, Carmel wants a slap. Max is a real piece of work. Nice to see Lauren working so hard. :D

[kaz21]

Doesn't she own it outright? Bought with them money zainab gave them?

[tammyy2j]

Doesn't she own it outright? Bought with them money zainab gave them?

Did Zainab give Denise money to buy out Kim from their B&B? Did Patrick own his house from Anthony or Anthony's mother?

[kaz21]

If I remember rightly, they bought the two houses and turned it into the b and b. Then kim sold one side, because they never used it. Which is where Ben and jay live.

[flappinfanny]

Good for Denise, Carmel deserved that slap. Woody is annoying me now, well all the scenes at the Vic are really grating on me.

[parkerman]

They have a great work ethic in eastenders and never take time off work if they can help it...well, apart from Kush, Carmel, Steven and anyone else who fancies having time off.

Although Denise is probably not entitled to Job Seeker's Allowance as she quit her job, she would still be entitled to Hardship Payment. Instead of flogging off her sentimental jewellery, why doesn't she get down to her local DWP office and claim it? Or, alternatively, go to the local Citizens' Advice for a bit of...er...citizens' advice?

[flappinfanny]

I thought the ending was very good, showing the despair and also the relief Denise was going to eat at last.

[tammyy2j]

Mick don't know Woody is employed as bar manager and Tracey sacked, is he not in contact with Linda?

Max checking in on Jane and Ian, how considerate of him

[flappinfanny]

An okay episode, nothing to shout about. Good scenes with Dot. I thought the post it notes everywhere totally ridiculous but very funny. I am surprised at Donna being a slob, yes Jay and Ben. Max is a nasty piece of work. I can see this story line being a slow burner. Pleased Kush put Carmel in her place.

[parkerman]

I thought the post it notes everywhere totally ridiculous but very funny.

Yes, apparently nobody noticed all these stickers being put up everywhere until they were there....

[Glen1]

Max is a nasty piece of work. I can see this story line being a slow burner.
Although ff I can understand Max's bitterness to so many on the square, even those not involved ,most of 'em in the full knowledge that an innocent man was locked up for what could have been heaven knows how many years and carried on with their lives regardless. I wonder if Max is aware that the police dropped any charges of complicity in the crime against the Beale clan ?

[lizann]

Although ff I can understand Max's bitterness to so many on the square, even those not involved ,most of 'em in the full knowledge that an innocent man was locked up for what could have been heaven knows how many years and carried on with their lives regardless. I wonder if Max is aware that the police dropped any charges of complicity in the crime against the Beale clan ?

id say not and with jack he thought max was guilty, max should have started with beales, lauren, police and mitchells for his revenge, max is the nasty villian to gain sympathy for all others, he will come up loser in the end

[flappinfanny]

Just caught up with Fridays. A good solid episode. Charlie deserved that punch. Not sure how this will end? The Denise story line is very sad. Diane Parish outstanding as always. Steven is becoming a bit creepy, but Lauren deserves everything she gets. Max will get his comeuppance in the end and then Jack can batter him.

Was it me or did the new Ollie look like Prince George. Did Kate and Wills lend him out for the afternoon? :)

[flappinfanny]

I hate Max. Brilliantly played by Jake Wood. Poor Jack. What a good episode. I thought Denise's legs were going to give way, she does look thin. Nice to see a positive side to Michelle. Good on you girl.

[tammyy2j]

I hate Max. Brilliantly played by Jake Wood. Poor Jack. What a good episode. I thought Denise's legs were going to give way, she does look thin. Nice to see a positive side to Michelle. Good on you girl.

The problem with Max's revenge storyline is we the viewer should be siding with Max and Charlie but it is Max who is coming off nasty wanting to hurt his brother Jack and step mother Dot by having Charlie take Matthew

I honestly think the writers are just making Max the villain to gain support for the ones who wronged him so they can go unpunished

Phil bribed a jury to get Max guilty, it would be poetic justice that a sober not sick Phil be sent to prison instead of away to a rehab clinic while Steve has time off

We have not seen Max do anything to Ian, Jane, Sharon or Phil yet and I doubt he will to Lauren or Abi and in Abi's case she didn't know Bobby was the killer, I do think her like Jack and Dot believed Max guilty

Max should be told about Keeble and Bryant's behaviour

I would like Marsden to return

[kaz21]

I knew max, was gonna beat Charlie yesterday. When he turned up with gloves on.

[lizann]

stacey gets postcard from kat in ireland just as redwater starts this week in uk

[parkerman]

Max is a nasty piece of work.


Max will get his comeuppance in the end...

I've just had a good idea how this could happen.

Two people, for example Ian and Jane, with the help of a few more people like Phil and Sharon and maybe Kathy, could fit Max up for a crime he didn't commit. That way Max could go to jail and everyone else could live happily ever after.

Mind you they could never do that in a prime time soap as what sort of moral message would that give put out to the country and how could the BBC of all organisations condone something as completely immoral as that?

[flappinfanny]

That was a cracking episode. Poor Denise, I really feel for her. I can understand why she wouldn't go to Kim for help. Nice scenes with Arthur and Kush. Not a lot of sympathy for Whitney I am afraid. Did have to smile at Ian at fat club. It is quite funny because the BBC are trying to hide the fact Adam Woodyatt has lost an awful lot of weight already. Max you are an evil little man. What goes around comes around.

[tammyy2j]

It was cowardly of Lee to petition divorce on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour of Whitney, all she did was kiss his dad :p I think Whitney should take time out and to visit Bianca or Ryan

[kaz21]

Especially after he hit her. I know he was depressed but that's no excuse for it.

[Glen1]

Haven't grasped the point as to why either Lee or for that matter Whitney, given the circumstances, would cite for divorce. No children ,no property involved ,neither have any cash. The only winners would be the solicitors. I assume the two year separation ruling still exists and then they can apply for divorce my mutual consent ? :searchme:

[Perdita]

Unless they need Whitney to be free so she can marry somebody else by the end of this year?

[lizann]

Unless they need Whitney to be free so she can marry somebody else by the end of this year?

hopefully far far far away from there, maybe man on the moon

too soon for mick return he only left

[flappinfanny]

Poor Denise, I really feel for her, a good contrast between the two sisters, Denise looking gaunt, thin and unwell and Kim without being unkind a little bit fat and over weight. I could have cried for Denise when kim ate that half biscuit. Nice to see Ann Mitchell again.

A good duff duff. Micks back.

[lizann]

is whitney or woody staying in mick and linda's room

[kaz21]

Woody is. He also keeps wearing micks dressing gown, which is weird.

[lizann]

Woody is. He also keeps wearing micks dressing gown, which is weird.

thought the pink short one was linda's

is shirley and tina back living over pub?

[kaz21]

It is, but mick wears it more than her lol. Remember their wedding.

[lizann]

is that it for woody? cora back to save all from evil max

how is denise paying bills like water, mortgage and electricity?

[parkerman]

how is denise paying bills like water, mortgage and electricity?
Presumably she isn't.

[kaz21]

Pretty sure no mortgage, but she's been ignoring the red letter bills.

[lizann]

will power and water be turned off, could she claim carers for patrick he did have a stroke

[flappinfanny]

So pleased Ann Mitchell is back. I hope Cora will be Max's downfall.

Mick is a fool. Linda we need you back. I hope he doesn't jump into bed with Whitney.

I never thought I would say this but I am going to miss Lee Ryan, Woody was a breath of fresh air, much needed in the Vic.

[parkerman]

Yes, I have to say Woody grew on me. He was a good character and well played by Lee Ryan.

[lizann]

yes woody one of better characters reminded me of a bit of each of wicksy, alfie and mickey miller

[flappinfanny]

I wanted too cry for Denise, I really did. Diane Parish is playing this so well.

[flappinfanny]

The scenes with Denise and Cora were excellent. I could just cry for Denise. I just loved the fact even in her state, she still found the compassion to give her food away.

Ann Mitchell is a class act. I remember her Widows days Dolly Rawlins. :) Ann has had such a distinguished career in all mediums. Like Barbara Windsor the wonderful Joan Littlewood gave Ann a guiding hand and had an influence on her career. I am completely biased but I am a big fan of Ann Mitchell and so glad she is back in EE. There is only one other actress in EE that inspires such feeling from me and that is the much missed Wendy Richard.

That is one thing I can forgive Bryan Kirkwood for, he may have made mistakes while he was in the top job, but he did cast Ann in the role of Cora Cross so in my book that wipes the slate clean for me.

I would love to find out what has happened to Cora since leaving the square and how she ended up where she is now. It is an inspired story line to have Cora working and helping the less fortunate in the food banks.

[flappinfanny]

I found the Vic scenes a little tedious, I am fed up of Mick already, go back to your Nancy mate, but I did think the Duff Duff was good.

Good scenes with Dot and as always Diane Parish was bang on the money with her scenes. I hope Denise does well in her exam. A good episode, not brilliant but watchable.

[lizann]

i was preferring the show without mickey carter

[tammyy2j]

Are we really to expect Abi, Tanya and Lauren have had no contact with Cora that she did not know Max was innocent and released, she said they knew where she lived which is not supposedly far from The Square

[flappinfanny]

i was preferring the show without mickey carter

Yeap so was I. Come back Woody. :thumbsup:

[lizann]

abi jealous of lauren does she want stephen for herself

max cell mate the racist from doctors

[kaz21]

I think abi is just jealous full stop.

[flappinfanny]

Lovely to see Pam. Genuinely funny scenes with the house warming at Honey and Billy's. As soon as we saw the red wine you just knew what was going to happen.

The only downside was Mick the *****! He is really getting on my nerves. The Max plot is stepping up a gear. Nice to see Simon Williams again (he is a busy boy with BBC Soap, they must be getting their money's worth,) playing Justin Elliott a regular in the Archers and now this cameo in EastEnders. :)

[tammyy2j]

I hope at least Denise does well in her exam

What a naughty boy Mick :angry:

The new couple have arrived with a secret, always they have a secret

Whitney "I don't know where I belong" well it is not in the Carter family or in Mick's arms and bed :mad:

[parkerman]

I think the secret is that he was once a vet.

[tammyy2j]

I think the secret is that he was once a vet.

Or a doctor :p

[flappinfanny]

I think the secret is that he was once a vet.

Just got it.:rotfl:

[flappinfanny]

Another Daran Little script, he has been a busy boy this week, not that i am complaining. At least we know we are getting something half decent, which is not always the case with EastEnders.

I like the Jack storyline and I think it is good that he hasn't got over Ronnie, in most soaps now he would be fine and it would be Ronnie who?

The new couple Ted and Joyce look interesting. I liked the fact they mentioned and featured Walford Towers, memories of early EastEnders with Pete, Kathy and Ian there. I loathe Mick now, are Whitney and Mick going to have a bit of 'how's your father' off screen? Whats the betting she ends up with a bun in the oven and we don't know whether it will be Woody's or Mick's? Disliked the Duff Duff.

[lizann]

new couple seems replacement for cokers so why sack them

[Mo Mouse]

I think we've got some pretty harrowing scenes to come in the next few weeks. Bex getting a new guitar won't be easy to watch.

[lizann]

mick is giving whitney the wrong signals if he don't want her, glad she has left but im guessing she returns, mick isnt innocent or a good man shirley

[flappinfanny]

An average episode to start the week, watchable. So Mick and Whitney haven't slept together? I did feel for Denise tonight, glad Patrick is back, love Abi winding Steven up. Good scenes with Shirley and Whitney. They are getting their money's worth out of the tube set. Is that the end of Whitney for a bit now. Is she gong to visit Bianca? Loved Honey sticking up for Jack.

[flappinfanny]

Shall we play a game and see how low EE ratings can go this week against BGT. :D

I think Fridays will be the lowest point at 3:11 million?

[tammyy2j]

I am glad Whitney is gone and anyone else think Abi and Steven have good chemistry potential for a couple in the future?

[lizann]

who is jack hiring to whack charlie?

mick is intolerable can't stand the miserable boll#cks

[flappinfanny]

Tonight we saw Danny Dyers limitations as an actor. Linda Henry was superb. Nice to have Patrick back. Was that meant to be funny Ian having the squits?

Not sure we needed to go down the gangster bumping off storyline again? Jack, Jack, Jack. I thought Stacey had talked some sense into you?

[lizann]

dyer cannot play drunk and he has lots of real experience :p

[parkerman]

Why did Sharon walk out of the house with the letter to Michelle? Good job she just happened to bump into her in the street...

[tammyy2j]

Why did Sharon walk out of the house with the letter to Michelle? Good job she just happened to bump into her in the street...

All Sharon seems to do now is walk around the Square from place to place bumping into folks

[lizann]

oh lauren up duffy now is it josh or stephen

abi was funny

[flappinfanny]

oh lauren up duffy now is it josh or stephen

abi was funny

Has Lauren slept with Josh?

They are getting their moneys worth out of the new tube set.

Like the new couple Joyce and Ted and loved moaney Joanie. What's the betting that family they were talking about will be the Taylor's moving in to the square?

So Lauren is up the duff. Only fitting she got the Duff Duff. :D

[lizann]

Has Lauren slept with Josh?

They are getting their moneys worth out of the new tube set.

Like the new couple Joyce and Ted and loved moaney Joanie. What's the betting that family they were talking about will be the Taylor's moving in to the square?

So Lauren is up the duff. Only fitting she got the Duff Duff. :D

not shown on screen if she did but was wondering was there more than a kiss or two

[lizann]

was that really charlie new missus liz

mick seeing jack suffering should be a wake up make him grateful for what he has got and just let whitney go

[flappinfanny]

Poor Jack, I do feel sorry for him. A good episode to end the week. The scenes in the vic were quite funny with Mick, Fi and Shirl. Denise working for Kim, No I don't think so. The Abi and Lauren scenes were funny also.

[Rear window]

Poor Jack, I do feel sorry for him. A good episode to end the week. The scenes in the vic were quite funny with Mick, Fi and Shirl. Denise working for Kim, No I don't think so. The Abi and Lauren scenes were funny also.

So much heartache for Jack - this could go on for years and be very boring. He needs a live in nanny to help with the kids.

Poor Lauren. That Stephen is a nutter and she needs to be rid.
Maybe Stephen and Max will have a fight and Max will do something to be sent to prison.

[Glen1]

Thought Carmel was resigning from her job as market inspector , Denise should consider applying.

[parkerman]

Thought Carmel was resigning from her job as market inspector , Denise should consider applying.
Good thinking, Glen. As she has absolutely no experience or background in this sort of work, she is bound to get the job as this is Eastenders. :D

[Glen1]

Good thinking, Glen. As she has absolutely no experience or background in this sort of work, she is bound to get the job as this is Eastenders. :D
:rotfl:.....Absolutely parkerman , she won't even need to attend an interview. :)

[lizann]

So much heartache for Jack - this could go on for years and be very boring. He needs a live in nanny to help with the kids.

Poor Lauren. That Stephen is a nutter and she needs to be rid.
Maybe Stephen and Max will have a fight and Max will do something to be sent to prison.

max don't have to do anything to be sent to prison :p

[tammyy2j]

Did Max threaten Dot, clearly he is being made the villain, I wonder will this lead to Jake's departure?

[parkerman]

Did Max threaten Dot, clearly he is being made the villain, I wonder will this lead to Jake's departure?
Well we know he won't be going to prison, that's for sure. Only innocent people go to prison; the guilty always get away scott free.

[lizann]

so if ivf worked for liz and charlie would he still want matthew

kush don't want denise over carmel not loss of trust she didn't cheat

[parkerman]

I've always thought that if you want to have a serious talk with your partner about things like pregnancy, abortion, your relationship etc., the best place to do it is at their workplace while they are busy. It makes perfect sense.

[Perdita]

I've always thought that if you want to have a serious talk with your partner about things like pregnancy, abortion, your relationship etc., the best place to do it is at their workplace while they are busy. It makes perfect sense.

Soapland does this all the time, drives me nuts!!! Workplace, pub, cafe ... where as many people as possible can overhear, usually the ones you don´t want to know anything about what you are discussing :wall:

[lizann]

that liz nasty to poor dot and max still wanting jack to suffer and no ireland for matthew

[flappinfanny]

So much heartache for Jack - this could go on for years and be very boring. He needs a live in nanny to help with the kids.

Poor Lauren. That Stephen is a nutter and she needs to be rid.
Maybe Stephen and Max will have a fight and Max will do something to be sent to prison.

In real life yes, but I don't think it will go on for years, I hope not. I agree re the Nanny and I think eventually Jack will find love and then hopefully enjoy the fallout when Max gets found out.

[parkerman]

That Max is so evil. I'm beginning to think he really did kill Lucy.

[lizann]

That Max is so evil. I'm beginning to think he really did kill Lucy.

is lucy even dead

im beginning to think there is more to max's plan against jack maybe connected to jack ex copper max in prison

[lizann]

abi wants babies with nutter steven :p

[Perdita]

abi wants babies with nutter steven :p

No doubt she will be with child before long ... sigh

[Rear window]

No doubt she will be with child before long ... sigh

She is a bit giddy, silly, emotionally immature, so yes. Pushing a pram will be next for her.
Would be lovely if it's Lauren's horrid BF.

[lizann]

did keegan rape louise or is him and bullies messing with her

mitchells big on fammmillly but no help to jack with sam and roxy's kids, sharon has no job so plenty free time

[flappinfanny]

did keegan rape louise or is him and bullies messing with her

mitchells big on fammmillly but no help to jack with sam and roxy's kids, sharon has no job so plenty free time

I don't think She actually slept with Keegan, but it would serve Keegan right if Louise, thought she had been raped and went to the police.

[flappinfanny]

I have finally caught up with EE and am up to date.

Max is playing a dangerous game. Good scenes with Bex, Louise and Martin. The Fowler's have a lovely family unit and I am pleaded they have made Stacey Pregnant. They are getting their moneys worth out of the tube set.

Wheres Charlie? Not in Ireland? The Vic scenes for me don't work anymore, probably because I miss Woody and cannot get on with Mick now he is back. Come back Linda we need you. Not sure where the Stalking storyline with Michelle and the Midsomer Murder bloke is going?

[tammyy2j]

I don't think She actually slept with Keegan, but it would serve Keegan right if Louise, thought she had been raped and went to the police.

If she told Phil and Ben, they would kill him :p but your idea would be good

[lizann]

ha ha ha josh engaged bet max enjoyed that reveal to lauren

keegan moving in as he part of taylor family guessing so he didn't rape louise

[Rear window]

ha ha ha josh engaged bet max enjoyed that reveal to lauren

keegan moving in as he part of taylor family guessing so he didn't rape louise

cartoonish family moving in.

[Splashy]

I really enjoyed the epp, especially the casting of the BBC weather girl stood in her studio, will Max have a torrid afair with her or will she be the new landlady of the Vic in Micks bed. I cant wait for Fridays show, I hear a cameo of Teresa May will happen as a new drag act in the Pub with her gimp Boris. :angel:

[flappinfanny]

I don't know if I did like the Taylor's intro or not. A good script from Daran Little as always, but for me the family were too like the Miller's and the Jackson's, been there, done that, got the t shirt.

Not sure we need another shouty family, in a soap that is known for being too shouty. Karen seems too much of a stereotype for me. I don't think it helps the actress playing the part, we have only just seen a few months ago playing Star's Mum, the bitch landlady from hell. However a good twist with Keegan. I did smile though at Kim's reaction.

I do like Ted and Joyce, however, why is Louise and Bex's not treated what happened as rape?

I should feel sorry for Steven, but I don't. It is quite amusing they keep banging on about Ian and having to loose a lot of weight, yet it is so obvious Adam has lost so much weight already. :)

[lizann]

jack did not ask sharon or denise to be a nanny to his kids and they are jobless just like stacey

a flat for taylors yet how many of them is there, mother and 5 kids by my count

[parkerman]

why is Louise and Bex's not treated what happened as rape?


I think that's what the nurse was getting at with Louise and probably why Louise was so upset when she came out.

[lizann]

maybe keegan lying and nothing happened

[Ruffed_lemur]

maybe keegan lying and nothing happened

I think so too. All part of the bullying I guess, with the 2 girls joining in.

[flappinfanny]

Sharon made me laugh when she said to Karen Taylor, 'I live at the big house at the end.' :D

[lizann]

Sharon made me laugh when she said to Karen Taylor, 'I live at the big house at the end.' :D

big house or not karen gave her a bloody nose

[flappinfanny]

I feel sorry for Joyce and Ted. In away I can see why Keegan has got the problems he has. Good on Louise for going to the police, I don't think anything did happen with Keegan, but this will hopefully frighten him a bit. I loved feisty Stacey, the Slater is still in there. Karen certainly walloped Sharon.

Not a bad episode, another good script by Daran Little. It was nice to have a break from Max, the Vic and all that mullarkey.

[Rear window]

The louise thing has to bring the bullying to a head and show some proper end to it. With some sort of punishment for Keegan and the two monster girls.

We laughed when the new old bloke said he's 80, as my husband had just looked up how old CT was and he's only 76. :)
Makes me laugh cos I meet lots of old people who love to tell me how old they are!

[parkerman]

The louise thing has to bring the bullying to a head and show some proper end to it. With some sort of punishment for Keegan and the two monster girls.



I'll just say, this is Eastenders!

[Rear window]

I'll just say, this is Eastenders!

I know. I will have to stop watching it soon I think.

[parkerman]

Louise will be found guilty of wasting police time and sent to a young offenders' institute. Bex will be found guilty of aiding and abetting and perverting the course of justice and will also do time.

[parkerman]

Oh, and Sharon will be found guilty of provocation with Stacey banged up as well for making threats.

[tammyy2j]

I think so too. All part of the bullying I guess, with the 2 girls joining in.

I would like for once to see the "guilty" punished in Eastenders

[parkerman]

I would like for once to see the "guilty" punished in Eastenders

Some hopes!

[Rear window]

I would like for once to see the "guilty" punished in Eastenders

Post of the year!

[flappinfanny]

I should feel sorry for Steven, but I don't. He has jumped into Peter's shoes and his life in Walford. I would love to know what cracked off in New Zealand. Lauren doesn't love Steven, but she was bit of a bitch putting step dad on the father's day card.

Abi is so jealous of Lauren, in away you can't blame her, she was always the least favourite daughter. I wonder if Max will ease off on Jack now and start to feel a little guilty?

I thought Carmel was just out for herself and her own interests. She needs to keep that trap shut. A good duff duff.

[tammyy2j]

Even after all Lauren did to Max, he always seems to prefer her over Abi :angry:

[lizann]

max will arrange jack's young new nanny part of plan no matter how nice jack is

[flappinfanny]

We are seeing the unhinged side of Steven. Abi didn't get it all her own way tonight. Is Max feeling guilty re Jack? Max is in too deep now, he is playing with the big boys.

Seeing a bit of a different side to Keegan. So it was Denny then. Sharon can see no wrong in the boy.

[parkerman]

Even after all Lauren did to Max, he always seems to prefer her over Abi :angry:

Lauren was the one who went to the police to tell them Bobby did it. Abi dobbed Max in it in court. I can quite understand why Max might side with Lauren over Abi.

[Rear window]

Abi and Steven squaring up to each other - good!
Lauren and Josh dancing around each other.
So is Josh's dad the evil developer that's behind the Square take over?

[lizann]

Lauren was the one who went to the police to tell them Bobby did it. Abi dobbed Max in it in court. I can quite understand why Max might side with Lauren over Abi.

yes lauren ran him down and took off back to new zealand to leave max in the prison, she is the best daughter ever, she does so much for max oh wait i mean beales :p

[flappinfanny]

Abi and Steven squaring up to each other - good!
Lauren and Josh dancing around each other.
So is Josh's dad the evil developer that's behind the Square take over?

I was wondering that? Perhaps the Chairman (Simon Williams) is his Dad? don't think the bloke in Prison can be as he is too young?

[lizann]

is imogen also fi?

[Rear window]

I was wondering that? Perhaps the Chairman (Simon Williams) is his Dad? don't think the bloke in Prison can be as he is too young?

yes chairman maybe.

It's going to all become clear and then we'll go "oooo I see" .. or for those of us who can't pay enough attention it'll be "er what?"
:)

[lizann]

police round for pushing a dog into water, i think these soap police worse ever

young blonde nanny a gift from max to jack, part of his plan

be nice for a les return too

[flappinfanny]

Nice to see Pam back. I agree it would have been nice to see Les back. Touching scenes with Billy and Pam.

Pearl is just adorable, when she clapped when Kush got the duck. I would have been scared of Keegans dog. Even when that lad is trying to keep out of trouble, he is trouble. Chavs the whole family.

Kathy has seen the light, is this Lasagna gate? :D

[flappinfanny]

police round for pushing a dog into water, i think these soap police worse ever

young blonde nanny a gift from max to jack, part of his plan

be nice for a les return too

I agree re police. Arresting Kush, nah doubt it. Would the police take anything the Taylor's say seriously? and with what is currently going on in London, would the police come out for this???

[kaz21]

Would have thought, the would maybe send the rspca at a push, but not the police.

[Rear window]

police round for pushing a dog into water, i think these soap police worse ever




Yes utter madness!
And the dog wasn't on a lead in a public place and wasn't being supervised properly.

[Glen1]

Yes utter madness!
And the dog wasn't on a lead in a public place and wasn't being supervised properly.
This could be where reporting the incident will backfire on the Taylors, also cause concern on the breed of dog which looks it was cast for looking very similar to a pit bull.

[lizann]

why does max not tell abi that josh is engaged as he did to lauren

[flappinfanny]

Perhaps he doesn't mind Abi dating him?

[parkerman]

why does max not tell abi that josh is engaged as he did to lauren

Lauren told Abi that Josh is engaged.

[flappinfanny]

I didn't feel sorry for Abi at all. Cora has got Max's measure. Nice scenes with Kush and Denise. They are so well suited.

[Rear window]

I didn't feel sorry for Abi at all. Cora has got Max's measure. Nice scenes with Kush and Denise. They are so well suited.
the comment about not trusting someone who turned up to a party in a suit.. and then the look she shot Max. Loved it.

[Glen1]

At least Abi can be trusted not to mention a word about her fling with Steven in the Beale kitchen ,....... well for about five minutes.

[lizann]

Lauren told Abi that Josh is engaged.

yes but not sure abi believed her, just max made sure lauren knew

[flappinfanny]

Nice to see Yolande and Patrick back together. So Robbie is back :( We will see how it goes. He is already winding me up. Martins face said it all. I should have sympathy for Mick, but i don't. Can't wait for Linda to get back.

[Rear window]

At least Abi can be trusted not to mention a word about her fling with Steven in the Beale kitchen ,....... well for about five minutes.

Was it just a kiss or was it enough to give Abi a baby?

[kaz21]

Baby making.

[flappinfanny]

As the continuity announcer said at the end of EastEnders, 'Thank goodness for Sonia.'

No doubt she will be giving it large, saying everyone has neglected Dot.

It was sad to see Dot in pain on the floor.

Robbie Jackson is a moron, but the scenes were funny, loved Donna. The stuff in the Vic didn't work for me. I did feel sorry for Johnny however.

[parkerman]

Great episode last night - lots of Winston and he even spoke. :cheer:

[lizann]

too much mick the pr#ck

[tammyy2j]

I like that the storylines now involve Derek and Dot more

Is Sonia still a nurse or health care assistant?

[kaz21]

She's a nurse.

[flappinfanny]

Some ropy acting tonight i thought, which you come to expect from Coronation Street, but not so much from EastEnders. Ted Reilly as Johnny was very wooden and what has happened to Danny Dyer since he has come back? Linda Henry carried the carter scenes as always.

June Brown was excellent. I am pleased they showed the NHS how it is, warts and all, because if you watch Casualty and Holby you would never guess the NHS is at breaking point.

Sonia is a flamin hypocrite. Where has she been all this time? And why is she back? Strong scenes with Derek, I always think of Pauline when I see Derek. I did enjoy the episode. At least we had our fix tonight unlike the Corrie and Emmerdale brigade. :cheer:

[parkerman]

Johnny has a lot to learn about employment law if he's hoping to become a solicitor or a lawyer. Even apart from the fact that Derek made a false declaration on his application form, he still couldn't claim Unfair Dismissal - he's only been there five minutes. You have to have two years continuous employment before you can put in a claim for unfair dismissal unless it's on the grounds of discrimination of some sort - race, sex, disability etc. Back to university, Johnny!

[kaz21]

I've seen a lot of comments on Facebook, saying that Linda's having an affair with Woody. But I think it's too obvious.

[lizann]

great recovery of elaine if she ever had a stroke

i think woody is linda's brother

[flappinfanny]

There was a bit of everything in the episode. What is Linda hiding? what hasn't she told Mick? Surely she isn't with Woody? Is it to do with Deano? The Vic scenes worked well tonight.

I hope Robbie isn't going to move in with Dot. If I was Dot I would stop in the hospital.

[parkerman]

Hooray! One up to Eastenders at last. The number of times I've told people it should be beigel not bagel! :cheer:

[lizann]

did johnny get derek his job back already?

[parkerman]

did johnny get derek his job back already?

He was given a week's notice. Derek just walked out, but he is now back working out his notice unless Johnny can get him reinstated.

[flappinfanny]

What can you say about Karen Taylor? I should have hated the episode, but I did actually enjoy it. :D

[tammyy2j]

What can you say about Karen Taylor? I should have hated the episode, but I did actually enjoy it. :D

I like her so far

Is the daughter really pregnant?

[Rear window]

I like her so far

Is the daughter really pregnant?

They've squeezed every other cliché into the family, so why not?

[flappinfanny]

Glad Bex is staying with Stacey and Martin. Sonia put in her place is a good thing. Poor Tracey not getting the job, why would they employ Stacey when she will be leaving soon to have the baby, makes no sense at all.

Jay and Ben, what are you doing, you will get found out. Don't do it boys.

I felt sorry for Karen tonight, another mouth to feed, tough times.

[Rear window]

Karen's family has grown on me. It is mostly comical but with serious edges of disfunctionality involved. But a teenage pregnancy isn't light relief.. very serious subject.

The boys are being mad.

Did Stephen really show Abbey what a creepy nutter he is or did I dream that bit?
Surely Abbey isn't stupid enough to think he's normal now.

[tammyy2j]

What has Shirley got against Stacey, is she afraid Mick might stray :hmm:

[flappinfanny]

So is this the end of Dave?

Steven and Abi, like two ally cats. They deserve each other. I wonder if Abi will give Steven the clap?

Liking the Taylor's more now, you can see Karen clearly does care about her family, they are the most important thing in her life. It doesn't seem right Stacey behind the bar at the Vic. As much as I love Stacey, I want Tracey back. Stacey's not a barmaid.

[flappinfanny]

Line of the night goes to Karen referring to Bobby and her younger child "They get away with murder at that age." Ain't that the truth. :D

[lizann]

sonia back into men after the teacher, is he the same teacher who did nothing for poor bullied bex

[kaz21]

He tried to get Ben to open up, but she wouldn't say anything

[Rear window]

So is this the end of Dave?

Steven and Abi, like two ally cats. They deserve each other. I wonder if Abi will give Steven the clap?

Liking the Taylor's more now, you can see Karen clearly does care about her family, they are the most important thing in her life. It doesn't seem right Stacey behind the bar at the Vic. As much as I love Stacey, I want Tracey back. Stacey's not a barmaid.

Didn't she say she helped behind the bar when her cousins had it? Did she?

Stacey did come out with some good stuff about glasses ..

Stephen can give Abi a baby and then they can live happily ever after - or at least until Abi's stupid brain starts working.
He's a nutter and probably suited to Abi.

[Ruffed_lemur]

Hope Dave the cat is ok. He's a lovely friend for Dot.

[Perdita]

Hope Dave the cat is ok. He's a lovely friend for Dot.

Afraid not, appears he has gone over the rainbow bridge :( :angry:

[lizann]

Hope Dave the cat is ok. He's a lovely friend for Dot.

sorry he has been binned :p

did stacey work in the vic before as thought memories of rape and murder (archie) would put her off

[lizann]

Hope Dave the cat is ok. He's a lovely friend for Dot.

sorry he has been binned :p

did stacey work in the vic before as thought memories of rape and murder (archie) would put her off

[lizann]

dave or lucky has risen from the dead

keanu as the father revealed this soon means he is not but karen will think he is

does lauren not want louis either as she likes spending as much time away from him and stephen at work

[kaz21]

It's possible he reminds her of Peter too much

[Ruffed_lemur]

Dave is ok, great! I didn't think Robbie would be that good at identifying the cat...

[flappinfanny]

dave or lucky has risen from the dead

keanu as the father revealed this soon means he is not but karen will think he is

does lauren not want louis either as she likes spending as much time away from him and stephen ar work

EastEnders are good with characters rising from the dead.

[flappinfanny]

I think there will be a twist with Bernadette and the Benidorm lad will not be the father. That is too Brookside. The Taylor's are growing on me now, I hope the new producer or should I say old producer keeps them in the show. Pinching Arthur's bench, how could they. Funny though, if Pauline were here she would eat them alive.

Good to see Psycho Stevey back. Abi watch out, you are no match for him.

I cheered when Dot called Sonia bossy. Spot on Mrs B. I like the connection between Dot, Joyce and Ted. The less said about Robbie the better.

I hope EE fan's weren't caught out and watched on BBC2.

[lizann]

It's possible he reminds her of Peter too much

josh or stephen?

[Rear window]

I hope EE fan's weren't caught out and watched on BBC2.

I did have a brief moment of "blinking 'eck no EE cos of that blinking tennis"

[kaz21]

josh or stephen?

Louis

[lizann]

if it peter lauren still wants why return with stephen

[flappinfanny]

if it peter lauren still wants why return with stephen

Because Ben Hardy has now a blossoming Hollywood career and there is more chance of them reinstating Sean O Connor as producer then Ben coming back reprising his role as Peter.

[Rear window]

Because Ben Hardy has now a blossoming Hollywood career and there is more chance of them reinstating Sean O Connor as producer then Ben coming back reprising his role as Peter.


But they can replace people. even if we grumble about it.

This idea that you are irreplaceable is nonsense.

[lizann]

But they can replace people. even if we grumble about it.

This idea that you are irreplaceable is nonsense.

another peter recast would work

so baby daddy now is just a lad from school, bit of let down, keanu too obvious so was thinking maybe the copper who knew the family

[flappinfanny]

But they can replace people. even if we grumble about it.

This idea that you are irreplaceable is nonsense.

I agree, they could quite easily re cast Peter, EE recast at the drop of a hat, so Peter could quite easily come back with a new or old head. I could see Thomas Law back in the role, that is if he wants to come back.

[flappinfanny]

I enjoyed the scene putting Robbie in the bin, where he belongs in the trash, it was pretty obvious the Benidorm bloke wasn't going to be the father, the rest of the episode I thought quite poor and boring tonight. An episode you could miss and quite easily watch the next tomorrow.

I don't think this episode will help EE woes right now. Tomorrow will be hard as it is a clash with Emmerdale.

[lizann]

the baby daddy callum's daddy sounds like a scary man so is he like gavin or archie or have we met him already and was their special meeting place the allotments