Eastender current episode discussion IV

[Jadefalcon]

max dumped haha

Max is okay with an open relationship, as long as its him doing all the sleeping around. Look at his time with Tanya, it was hinted that when they first appeared Max had cheated a number of times, and then there's all his subsequent relationships.

[lizann]

Max is okay with an open relationship, as long as its him doing all the sleeping around. Look at his time with Tanya, it was hinted that when they first appeared Max had cheated a number of times, and then there's all his subsequent relationships.

karma a bitch when it comes around, price of him

[Dennis tanner]

Care to say how the third paragraph was ridiculous.

Phil always seems to come out on top when in any sane world he would be beaten to a pulp. The only bit that was innacurate was alcoholic, it should be ex-alcoholic. We're talking about someone that's had multiple health issues against people younger and generally fitter than himself.

I was under the impression that an alcoholic was always an alcoholic

[Perdita]

I was under the impression that an alcoholic was always an alcoholic

Yes you can become a non-drinking alcoholic but once you are an alcoholic you are one for ever

[lizann]

do ruby and stacey talk anymore, does stacey know of her and martin

[Jadefalcon]

I wonder now that Max and Ruby are no longer together, assuming she's not stupid enough to get back with him, if Max will make Rainies divorce proceedings difficult out of spite.

[tammyy2j]

I wonder now that Max and Ruby are no longer together, assuming she's not stupid enough to get back with him, if Max will make Rainies divorce proceedings difficult out of spite.

Stuart will lamp him if he does

[flappinfanny]

I enjoyed the Ben episode and thought it was well done but the gangster stuff at the end was ridiculous.

The Sharon and Denise scene was very good. I am really liking Ruby, she has really come into her own as a character since Stacey has left. Martin and Ruby go well together. I hope when Stacey comes back Martin does not go back. I want to see Stacey's face when she see's them together. I was hoping Karen and Keegan had left the Square, Tiffany is better off without Keegan.

[Dennis tanner]

I enjoyed the Ben episode and thought it was well done but the gangster stuff at the end was ridiculous.

The Sharon and Denise scene was very good. I am really liking Ruby, she has really come into her own as a character since Stacey has left. Martin and Ruby go well together. I hope when Stacey comes back Martin does not go back. I want to see Stacey's face when she see's them together. I was hoping Karen and Keegan had left the Square, Tiffany is better off without Keegan.

I have never forgiven Riuby for getting rid of her father

[lizann]

I have never forgiven Riuby for getting rid of her father

remind me how johnny meet his demise again please? phil?

[parkerman]

remind me how johnny meet his demise again please? phil?

He died of a heart attack in prison.

[lizann]

He died of a heart attack in prison.

did ruby send him down?

[Jadefalcon]

Another thing with the rubbish gangsters Phil and Ben. When Ben was driving away while being chased by the police, the amount of times he took his eyes off the road was ridiculous, that's bad enough if you're normal health, but with deafness it was inexcusable.

[parkerman]

It's interesting that the Keegan story is now the big news of the day. Good bit of foresight there by EE.

[Dennis tanner]

remind me how johnny meet his demise again please? phil?

Ruby persuaded him to go to the Police and confess to his crimes. He then died in prison.

[flappinfanny]

Ruby and Martin are great together. I hope Phil and Sharon seperate, Sharon can do better. I hope they don't get the Vic. Kelly Bright was excellent as always as was Letitia Dean.

[lizann]

so many missing from denny's chair reveal

[Jadefalcon]

Ruby and Martin are great together. I hope Phil and Sharon seperate, Sharon can do better. I hope they don't get the Vic. Kelly Bright was excellent as always as was Letitia Dean.

Sharon revels too much in being the gangsters moll. She berates Phil for what he gets up to but loves the seemingly endless money stream he seems to have (somehow). Surely she's not stupid enough to believe that scabby garage is bringing in big money.

[lizann]

so knowing now lee hit whitney does that push abuser gray to an affair with her, also is callum being interviewed about her by gray, another ex?

[Dennis tanner]

Sharon revels too much in being the gangsters moll. She berates Phil for what he gets up to but loves the seemingly endless money stream he seems to have (somehow). Surely she's not stupid enough to believe that scabby garage is bringing in big money.

I have loathed Phil Mitchell for as long as I can remember but to expect him to take on this child is not realistic. She is asking too much and I am on side Phil...just on this occasion.

However, I would not be surprised if he changed his mind. For those who say that Sharon could do better, I am not so sure. For starters it would have to be someone with money.

[lizann]

whitney is so messed up

[tammyy2j]

I thought Sharon was ungrateful and rude to Karen

Whitney making a move on her friend's husband, I am losing sympathy for her, same storyline again for her

Does Peter charge for his fitness classes?

[flappinfanny]

Suki is a delight to watch. Rainie is always good value and had a nice scene with Habiba. Can't get on with the Nu Peter. Kellie Bright again put in a top notch performance. Ian's face was a picture when he was threatened by Phil. Adam plays this so well. Only 2 episodes left. :(

[Jadefalcon]

While I'd agree with most of the above, I think Phil is as frightening as a burst balloon.

[Dennis tanner]

Whitney making a move on her friend's husband, I am losing sympathy for her, same storyline again for her

Whitney always gets confused whenever a man shows her any kindness. She feels she is supposed to respond.

[lizann]

how was dotty and ash brother back working in ruby's club after getting kicked out for dealing

[flappinfanny]

Ian is playing a dangerous game. I can't see the Carters leaving the Square and living in Walford West, I don't think Danny or Kellie would agree to that. Kellie Bright said in an interview she was looking forward to seeing how the Carters cope away from the Vic. Will they leave the Vic or was that a red herring?

I don't want Phil or Sharon back behind the Vic bar. It would be a great Duff Duff if Ian brought the Vic for Sharon and had Sharon running it. Phil's face. I doubt that will happen. The Sonia and Denise scenes were the best part of the episode. 1 to go. :crying:

[parkerman]

how was dotty and ash brother back working in ruby's club after getting kicked out for dealing
They weren't kicked out for dealing. Max wanted to kick them out but Ruby stopped him.

[Jadefalcon]

Can someone remind me, did Max work at Ruby's or does he actually have a financial share in it?

[Dennis tanner]

The Police were hopeless. Why didn't they just sort out Dotty quicker.

[lizann]

Can someone remind me, did Max work at Ruby's or does he actually have a financial share in it?

as her fella he thought he too had power management, boss of martin especially

[parkerman]

The Police were hopeless.
Well there's a first for the Walford Police. :rotfl:

[Jadefalcon]

Whose bag was it that was knocked over with Dotty scuffling with the policewoman, was it Dotty's or the policewoman herself?

I think soon we'll have to shorten the credits...Keegan, then he's called Keeg, and on Monday he was called Kee. Soon it'll be like The Prisoner, with everyone having a number.

[lizann]

how can ian afford the vic for sharon

[Jadefalcon]

how can ian afford the vic for sharon

For that matter how can Phil, even with the proceeds from some of his dodgy activities. That scabby garage of his certainly is not exactly teeming. The place I take my car to is in a medium sized town and is always bustling, Mitchells garage is in London and you would think it was in the middle of the Scottish Highlands or the Yorkshire moors or whatever with the traffic it gets.

[Dennis tanner]

For that matter how can Phil, even with the proceeds from some of his dodgy activities. That scabby garage of his certainly is not exactly teeming. The place I take my car to is in a medium sized town and is always bustling, Mitchells garage is in London and you would think it was in the middle of the Scottish Highlands or the Yorkshire moors or whatever with the traffic it gets.

I would never ever take my motor to that place.

Dotty is a bit dim. She might not have the proof but that should stop her blurting out what she knows to Sharon.

[lizann]

For that matter how can Phil, even with the proceeds from some of his dodgy activities. That scabby garage of his certainly is not exactly teeming. The place I take my car to is in a medium sized town and is always bustling, Mitchells garage is in London and you would think it was in the middle of the Scottish Highlands or the Yorkshire moors or whatever with the traffic it gets.

sale of the club to ruby, money from danny heist with ben, dodgy deals, car stealings

[parkerman]

how can ian afford the vic for sharon
Yes, especially as he doesn't seem to be able to afford a dishwasher.

Incidentally, they seem to manage to get contracts and all the necessary documents drawn up and signed with remarkable speed in Walford. They should share their secret with the rest of the country.

[Jadefalcon]

Yes, especially as he doesn't seem to be able to afford a dishwasher.

Incidentally, they seem to manage to get contracts and all the necessary documents drawn up and signed with remarkable speed in Walford. They should share their secret with the rest of the country.

Don't there have to be criminal record checks for selling licenced premises. I recall years ago it had to be in Sharon's name when she was married to Grant because he had a record.

[lizann]

Yes, especially as he doesn't seem to be able to afford a dishwasher.

Incidentally, they seem to manage to get contracts and all the necessary documents drawn up and signed with remarkable speed in Walford. They should share their secret with the rest of the country.

ian has the stall, fish shop, restaurant in full as he holds max's share, cafe, is in politics and now the vic, what next?

[Timalay]

sale of the club to ruby

I thought he sold his share of the club to Ray Kelly, who gave it to Mel.

Who do you lot will work at pub alongside Sharon and Tracy?

[parkerman]

Don't there have to be criminal record checks for selling licenced premises. I recall years ago it had to be in Sharon's name when she was married to Grant because he had a record.

Yes, she needs to have a licence to be able to sell alcohol. She has to apply for the licence and go on a course to be able to qualify for the licence.

And that is apart from all the conveyancing of the premises and the business, which would normally take several weeks.

All this would also have applied of course to Phil just swanning in and buying the pub.

[lizann]

I thought he sold his share of the club to Ray Kelly, who gave it to Mel.

Who do you lot will work at pub alongside Sharon and Tracy?

who got mel club share lisa and louise

[Jadefalcon]

Phil's face was priceless, but again we are back to the "This is Phil Mitchell we're talking about", "We don't want to make an enemy of Phil" and all that nonsense.

I was happy to hear Callum saying it would be nice if Phil didn't just always get his way.

I can sympathise with Billy with the way Mitch is constantly needling him, but at the same time it's what he wants, to trigger a response.

[Dennis tanner]

I can sympathise with Billy with the way Mitch is constantly needling him, but at the same time it's what he wants, to trigger a response.

Silly Billy needs to realise that he is way out of Karen's league.

[Dennis tanner]

I can sympathise with Billy with the way Mitch is constantly needling him, but at the same time it's what he wants, to trigger a response.

Silly Billy needs to realise that he is way out of Karen's league.

[flappinfanny]

Silly Billy needs to realise that he is way out of Karen's league.

I think they both deserve each other.

[flappinfanny]

how can ian afford the vic for sharon

the same magic money tree found down the ginnel in coronation street. give it a good shake i could do with a bob or two.

[flappinfanny]

The Mitch/Billy fight was embarrassing. The episode was not great but the ending was brilliant. Sadly we have to wait until the earliest late Summer more likely early Autumn.

Will viewers come back? who knows. Duff Duff Duff Duff

[flappinfanny]

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See you in September.

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[Timalay]

who got mel club share lisa and louise

It was all sold to Ruby (both Sharons and Mels share), and Mel took all money for keeping quiet about Sharon's baby not being Phil's. When Mel passed away she left the Villa to Lisa, I assume she left her the money as well.

[parkerman]

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See you in September.

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What should I write?
What can I say?
How can I tell you how much I miss you?
The weather here has been as nice as it can be
Although it doesn't really matter much to me
For all the fun I'll have while you're so far away
It might as well rain until September.

[tammyy2j]

I do not understand Karen and Mitch's relationship, is it "open" ?

Sharon has the Vic and her son Kayden back

Where is Shirley and Tina moving to?

[parkerman]

I do not understand Karen and Mitch's relationship, is it "open" ?


No. It closed a long time ago.

[Jadefalcon]

I do not understand Karen and Mitch's relationship, is it "open" ?

Sharon has the Vic and her son Kayden back

Where is Shirley and Tina moving to?

I think Mitch would like it to be, and enjoys needling Billy about it. Karen says it's not, and must see how Mitch's 'joking' is getting under Billy's skin. She needs to tell Mitch out and out that there is no chance.

[flappinfanny]

I enjoyed the Secrets From The Square more than the Emmerdale lockdown ep wtih Chas and Dave, sorry Paddy. :D

[flappinfanny]

Den and Angie two hander 1986

This was 1986 and back then when this aired everybody including myself thought this was the best thing since sliced bread. Anita and Leslie were not only the King and Queen of EastEnders but the King and Queen of soap and if there had been The British Soaps Awards in 1986 Anita and Leslie would have swept the board, no question. This was the first two hander, ground breaking and had never been done before.

EastEnders really did shake things up, Coronation Street was still looking old and dated as though it was set in the early 1970's, (although I loved it) Emmerdale Farm was a poor version of The Archers, Crossorads was going through it's glossy (on a budget Dallas stage) and lost it's identity, both soaps were facing the axe and Brookside was the only realistic, natural soap, portraying real working class lives.

The 1986 episode does not stand the test of time that well, the script is good, the acting by Anita very theatrical and I did struggle to hear Leslie at times and had to turn the volume up. I thought the set looked fantastic and loved how dowdy and deralic looking the Vic was.

I am not sure it is a good idea to air classic episodes, well not as far back as the 80's, but it is part of EE glorious History, as are the King and Queen of the Vic Den and Ang. (Not Peggy as many may think!) My favourite actor/actress from this period was Wendy Richard.

It makes me appreciate what we have now, even in it's current state, warts and all.

[Jadefalcon]

I remember when I first started watching Eastenders, it was the whole Ricky and Sam eloping to Gretna Green to get married. Peggy wasn't even played by Barbara Windsor then.

[Dennis tanner]

I think Mitch would like it to be, and enjoys needling Billy about it. Karen says it's not, and must see how Mitch's 'joking' is getting under Billy's skin. She needs to tell Mitch out and out that there is no chance.

But that wouldn't be true

[Jadefalcon]

But that wouldn't be true

In what way, she has said to Billy she isn't interested in getting back with Mitch. Although that depends on whether she means it.

[Dennis tanner]

In what way, she has said to Billy she isn't interested in getting back with Mitch. Although that depends on whether she means it.

I agree wirth your lasty ststement

[flappinfanny]

Loved secrets from the square with Letitia and Adam. They are funny in real life. So Steve Mcfadden broke the Caf till and it has not been repaired. Budget cuts. :D

This series has been a nice easy watch and very enjoyable. I loved the stories of Julia Smith getting a flannel and wiping make up of faces and sending actors home for misbehaving. It seems a really happy cast.

[flappinfanny]

So we are back tomorrow 8:05 pm.

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[lizann]

So we are back tomorrow 8:05 pm.

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time jump after lockdown

[lizann]

go on dotty, many tangoed faces from lockdown tanning

[parkerman]

It's all very well, Bobby lecturing Ian about the need to wash his hands, but maybe he should do it properly himself. While berating Ian, he washed his own hands for less than five seconds. Not good enough, Bobby; 20 seconds at least.

[Timalay]

I think it's Stacey stealing money from Ruby.

[lizann]

mick sure loves pink, is that kush flat him and linda are in?

[kaz21]

I think so.

[lizann]

I think it's Stacey stealing money from Ruby.

yes her or kat

suki in the shop, has she a business with good money?

[tammyy2j]

Did Gray want Chantelle to drown herself to prove she loved her kids, she should go straight to Karen and Mitch with the kids, Kheert cares for her

Ian still has designs on making Sharon his next Mrs. Beale even using Max's share of the restaurant to buy the pub

[flappinfanny]

A good start and a good effort with all the clever filming techniques, certainly better than Emmerdale, the pace was good. Stand out performer Suki, played by Balvinder Sopal. I see she has bought the minute Mart. Loved the scenes with Ben and Callum and lol at Ben wanting to tickle Callum's truncheon. Linda and Mick were also good value.

The Chantelle scenes were harrowing to watch but well played. A shame we know what is coming. The crew deserve huge credit for the way they are shooting EastEnders.

[lizann]

suki does not strike me as a hands on minute mart shop cashier and honey is away in rehab for bulimia

[Dennis tanner]

I think it's Stacey stealing money from Ruby.

Good !!!!

[Dennis tanner]

Did that DEtective know that it was Ben in that film? WAs he testing Callum ? When was Jack promoted to Inspec tor ?

Callum must have done his initial Police training while the programme was off air.

[lizann]

Did that DEtective know that it was Ben in that film? WAs he testing Callum ? When was Jack promoted to Inspec tor ?

Callum must have done his initial Police training while the programme was off air.

was that the same detective who arrested keegan

[parkerman]

So we've now had Ian escape the consequences of his part in the cover-up of Lucy's murder by Bobby, escape the consequences of his part in getting Max banged up for something he knew he didn't do, escape the consequences for his part in Denny's death, and become a public servant as an elected Councillor.

Eastenders sets us all a fine moral example.

[lizann]

like phil and ben they don't pay for crimes and callum now a fast copper will cover for ben, with ian all should be banged up

[Ruffed_lemur]

So we've now had Ian escape the consequences of his part in the cover-up of Lucy's murder by Bobby, escape the consequences of his part in getting Max banged up for something he knew he didn't do, escape the consequences for his part in Denny's death, and become a public servant as an elected Councillor.

Eastenders sets us all a fine moral example.

Sadly, it's not that unrealistic though.

[parkerman]

Sadly, it's not that unrealistic though.
Yes. You just have to look at who the US President and the British PM are!

[lizann]

Yes. You just have to look at who the US President and the British PM are!

older jedward wannabes

[Perdita]

older jedward wannabes

They would have more common sense and ideas for the future....

[lizann]

They would have more common sense and ideas for the future....

true future world leaders

[tammyy2j]

I was shouting at my tv for Chantelle to tell Mitch and Karen, Kheeret knows something is wrong and he cares for her, he should speak to Mitch

Jags wants love and respect from his family and girlfriend

[Jadefalcon]

Did I miss an episode? One episode started with Dotty mouthing at Sharon in the Vic and being chucked out, the next started with Martin lying unconscious on the floor of the Minute Mart. I don't recall how that happened.

I thought Ian's crack at Sharon was quite funny in a morbid way "If I beat you up and kept a gun down the sofa you'd think more of me". Paraphrased obviously.

[parkerman]

Did I miss an episode? One episode started with Dotty mouthing at Sharon in the Vic and being chucked out, the next started with Martin lying unconscious on the floor of the Minute Mart. I don't recall how that happened.

I thought Ian's crack at Sharon was quite funny in a morbid way "If I beat you up and kept a gun down the sofa you'd think more of me". Paraphrased obviously.

Yes, you must have missed an episode. We saw Vinny belt Martin over the head after a chase through the streets.

[Jadefalcon]

Yes, you must have missed an episode. We saw Vinny belt Martin over the head after a chase through the streets.

Strange, I checked the iPlayer, I'll do so again.

Although, talking about Ian, you'd think he would know by now that Sharon likes him, but not in that way. I can't recall what was being mentioned about them listening to a record as I didn't watch at that time.

[parkerman]

Strange, I checked the iPlayer, I'll do so again.

Although, talking about Ian, you'd think he would know by now that Sharon likes him, but not in that way. I can't recall what was being mentioned about them listening to a record as I didn't watch at that time.

It was the Thursday (10 September) episode.

[kaz21]

It seems lots of people were confused. So there must have been problems on iplayer.

[Dennis tanner]

So we've now had Ian escape the consequences of his part in the cover-up of Lucy's murder by Bobby, escape the consequences of his part in getting Max banged up for something he knew he didn't do, escape the consequences for his part in Denny's death, and become a public servant as an elected Councillor.

Eastenders sets us all a fine moral example.

All true.

[Dennis tanner]

Did someone forget to tell Tina that she's Mick's auntie and not his sister ?

[kaz21]

I think they decided ages ago, not to change it.

[flappinfanny]

That comment Peter made to Ian about getting over Sharon by getting under some one was so out of character and did not feel right. Apart from that a decent episode. The Ben and Callum scenes were good, Frankie is an interesting character, it will be good to see where this goes. The Carter scenes were good, I like Mick and Linda away from the Vic. Not sure about Sharon behind the bar. Ollie is good at football. The end scene was quite emotional, both Jessica and Toby were very good tonight.

[parkerman]

both Jessica and Toby were very good tonight.
And Ulric. Don't forget Ulric.

[parkerman]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, as a newcomer to the Council, there would be absolutely zero chance of Ian becoming chairman of the Planning Committee or even being remotely considered for the post.

[lizann]

And Ulric. Don't forget Ulric.

who?

[parkerman]

who?

I am utterly shocked that you should ask who Ulric is, lizann. The greatest star ever to appear in Eastenders and a regular cast member since November 1985, nearly 35 years.

[Perdita]

I am utterly shocked that you should ask who Ulric is, lizann. The greatest star ever to appear in Eastenders and a regular cast member since November 1985, nearly 35 years.

Better known as Winston .. ;)

[lizann]

Better known as Winston .. ;)

now it makes sense with parkerman's loving

[lizann]

did i miss martin's recovery and hospital discharge

[kaz21]

We didn?t see it. Was a miraculous recovery

[lizann]

chantelle saying goodbyes to her parents, mitch is at least worried karen notices nothing wrong, gray the saint son in law

[flappinfanny]

It was a strong episode tonight, a shame we know whats coming.

[lizann]

We didn?t see it. Was a miraculous recovery

amazingly fast and now ruby loves him

[Dennis tanner]

I think they decided ages ago, not to change it.

Tina is Shirley's sister and Mick is Shirley's son. That means that Tina and Mick are not brother and sister

[Dennis tanner]

chantelle saying goodbyes to her parents, mitch is at least worried karen notices nothing wrong, gray the saint son in law

Chantelle really annoys me. She needs to speak out.

Meanwhile Daft cop Halfway thinks he can live in the house of a Walford Crime Lord

[kaz21]

It?s not that simple as speaking out, my family still don?t know what happened to me and I got out before it got bad.

[Ruffed_lemur]

Chantelle really annoys me. She needs to speak out.



Why get annoyed with people who are scared and in a terrible situation? Even minor awkward situations can be so difficult to talk about.

[lizann]

It?s not that simple as speaking out, my family still don?t know what happened to me and I got out before it got bad.

hope you are ok now

[kaz21]

Yeah was about 10 years ago now, first proper boyfriend. But I understand it?s not easy to tell people.

[lizann]

i have not recovered from that, thought the kids would find her, gray out for milk and a drink so to be seen

[kaz21]

Was there something off with the quality. Something didn?t seem quite right with filming. Grey looked added in at the Vic, maybe due to COVID filming?

[Jadefalcon]

And again the police are talking as if Phil Mitchells is Pablo Escobar, the Krays and Al Capone combined.

[parkerman]

At least Gray is lucky in one very important respect. Chantelle's death will be investigated by the joint most incompetent police force in Britain (equalled only by Weatherfield's finest).

[Dennis tanner]

Why get annoyed with people who are scared and in a terrible situation? Even minor awkward situations can be so difficult to talk about.

Also frustrated. Her father wanted her to stay. She could have stayed and kept the children with her.

My message is that you always need to speak out.

[Dennis tanner]

...........

[lizann]

At least Gray is lucky in one very important respect. Chantelle's death will be investigated by the joint most incompetent police force in Britain (equalled only by Weatherfield's finest).

and max charged

[tammyy2j]

Gray threatening to strangle his kids was too much for me, a sad ending for Chantelle, if it drags out for a year until Gray is found out it will a ruin a good storyline but if it helps one person at least speak out and leave a bad relationship it is a win, the actors involved did a great job given how filming was with Covid, well done to the show

[hward]

Didn't see it - how did she die?

[kaz21]

They got into a heated argument. Chantelle told gray she was leaving, but he wouldn?t move, he pushed her and she fell onto the open dishwasher. Where a knife was upright. But then he left to get a alibi and phoned 999, and told them she had had a accident.

[lizann]

while the death could be an accident, he left her to die

[kaz21]

I?ve seen a lot of people say he didn?t mean to kill her. It wasn?t premeditated murder, but the moment he left her to die, it became murder.

[lizann]

I?ve seen a lot of people say he didn?t mean to kill her. It wasn?t premeditated murder, but the moment he left her to die, it became murder.

he said she wouldn't leave him so i do think he'd have done anything

[Jadefalcon]

I don't think he intended to kill her but considering the stuff he's done before like forcing her to keep her head under water in the bath, he's certainly got the potential, and the fact he didn't phone the ambulance right away is against him.

Not to mention he's staged the scene. The toy car and the milk bottle are obviously meant to make it look like Chantelle slipped on the car while holding the bottle. I hope Suki makes a comment as she certainly seemed a bit suspicious of him. Also, wouldn't Kheerat's phone have the multiple missed calls listed?

[flappinfanny]

I don't think he intended to kill her but considering the stuff he's done before like forcing her to keep her head under water in the bath, he's certainly got the potential, and the fact he didn't phone the ambulance right away is against him.

Not to mention he's staged the scene. The toy car and the milk bottle are obviously meant to make it look like Chantelle slipped on the car while holding the bottle. I hope Suki makes a comment as she certainly seemed a bit suspicious of him. Also, wouldn't Kheerat's phone have the multiple missed calls listed? I think Suki above all will protect Kheerat and tell him not to get involved.

[flappinfanny]

EE was both haunting and harrowing

[flappinfanny]

Was there something off with the quality. Something didn?t seem quite right with filming. Grey looked added in at the Vic, maybe due to COVID filming? They used the filmic look for this episode.

[Dennis tanner]

I?ve seen a lot of people say he didn?t mean to kill her. It wasn?t premeditated murder, but the moment he left her to die, it became murder.

I disagree. It was still only manslaughter. It could only be premeditaed if he knew she was going to die before he pushed her.

I was confused as to why she died.

[parkerman]

I disagree. It was still only manslaughter. It could only be premeditaed if he knew she was going to die before he pushed her.

I was confused as to why she died.

It's not the pushing that's the important thing though, it's the fact he walked away while she was still alive - that was premeditated.

[Dennis tanner]

It's not the pushing that's the important thing though, it's the fact he walked away while she was still alive - that was premeditated.

That still doesn't make it murder.

[parkerman]

That still doesn't make it murder.

I'm afraid it does.

The mens rea of murder is either an intention to kill or an intention to cause grievous bodily harm for the defendant to have the mens rea of murder. There must be clear evidence of an intention which is proved not only when the defendant's motive or purpose is to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (direct intent), but when death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act.

Gray knew that by walking away death (or grievous bodily harm) was likely to result, thus the intention was clear, making it murder.

[lizann]

It's not the pushing that's the important thing though, it's the fact he walked away while she was still alive - that was premeditated.

yes he did not do anything to help, left her to die

[Jadefalcon]

You get 1st, 2nd degree murder and manslaughter.

1st degree is intentionally planning beforehand and killing.

2nd degree is intentional, but could be a heat of the moment thing, like Gray's 'red mist' comment, but is still intended.

Manslaughter could be like a struggle and someone falls back and dies due to an injury or gets run down by a car etc.

[parkerman]

You get 1st, 2nd degree murder and manslaughter.

1st degree is intentionally planning beforehand and killing.

2nd degree is intentional, but could be a heat of the moment thing, like Gray's 'red mist' comment, but is still intended.

Manslaughter could be like a struggle and someone falls back and dies due to an injury or gets run down by a car etc.

That's U.S. law. There is no such thing as first degree or second degree murder in the UK. It's either murder or manslaughter. In 2006, the Law Commission published a report proposing that UK law be brought in line with US law but it was never adopted.

[lizann]

karen worried about gray if only she knew

[Dennis tanner]

I'm afraid it does.

The mens rea of murder is either an intention to kill or an intention to cause grievous bodily harm for the defendant to have the mens rea of murder. There must be clear evidence of an intention which is proved not only when the defendant's motive or purpose is to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (direct intent), but when death or grievous bodily harm is a virtually certain consequence of the defendant's act.

Gray knew that by walking away death (or grievous bodily harm) was likely to result, thus the intention was clear, making it murder.

He did not intend to cause GBH or death.

[Dennis tanner]

karen worried about gray if only she knew

Karen always gets it wrong

[parkerman]

He did not intend to cause GBH or death.
Not when he pushed her, but he did when he walked away from her and left her lying on the floor.

[Dennis tanner]

Not when he pushed her, but he did when he walked away from her and left her lying on the floor.

You have correctly described what happened but come to the wrong conclusion. It was not murder.

[lizann]

why was karen not rang to be informed and take the grandkids, mother dead dad arrested but let whitney a stranger basically have them

[parkerman]

You have correctly described what happened but come to the wrong conclusion. It was not murder.
I have come to the right conclusion and that's all there is to it.

[lizann]

You have correctly described what happened but come to the wrong conclusion. It was not murder.

he intentionally left her to die

[Jadefalcon]

The closest equivalent I can think of is culpable homicide, but in the UK you only get that under Scots law, I don't know what the English law equivalent would be.

[lizann]

we have a new lily and hope

[flappinfanny]

I wish Ruby had gone to the police. Jean has the right idea.

[Dennis tanner]

I have come to the right conclusion and that's all there is to it.

WE shall see.

[Dennis tanner]

he intentionally left her to die

Yes he did.

[lizann]

where's stacey's fella?

[kaz21]

Guessing they broke up

[lizann]

cops and robbers game for callum

[tammyy2j]

Callum cannot play both sides, he can barely play one

Will Karen tell Gray who will try to get Kheerat done for the house break in and even Chantelle's death? He is very cunning and a solicitor, knows the law.

[lizann]

baby raymond mitchell fox is back

[flappinfanny]

Loved Stacey's line to Martin:-

"When you find out Sonia is blowing your husband's trumpet, anyone will do." :D EastEnders are better at comedy than Corrie right now.

Phil has a nerve getting all judgmental over Isaac seeing he was king of the crack heads.

[Dennis tanner]

Callum cannot play both sides, he can barely play one

Will Karen tell Gray who will try to get Kheerat done for the house break in and even Chantelle's death? He is very cunning and a solicitor, knows the law.

Considering what he took, I don't think so.

I agree about Thick Halfway.

[Dennis tanner]

Loved Stacey's line to Martin:-

"When you find out Sonia is blowing your husband's trumpet, anyone will do." :D EastEnders are better at comedy than Corrie right now.

Phil has a nerve getting all judgmental over Isaac seeing he was king of the crack heads.

Tut tut Phil. You are a Mitchell and you grassed.

[lizann]

Considering what he took, I don't think so.

I agree about Thick Halfway.

halfwit was introduced in a robbery he is not all clean cut either

go denise telling phil home truths

[Jadefalcon]

Can someone remind me why people are intimidated by fat out of breath 3rd class (at best) villain Phil?

Trade on our name...what a bloody laugh.

[Dennis tanner]

Ian is totally thick sometimes. If he had carefully explained to Max how he intended to pay him Max might not have ruined the deal.

[Dennis tanner]

Callum had one job to do and he had to faff about.

The episode was a bit of a farce.

[flappinfanny]

Loved Rainie and Stuart, they deserve some happiness and Diane Parish is just amazing. I thought Lorraine Stanley was better and i like the relationship between Bobby and Max. Ian is a toad.

[Dennis tanner]

Loved Rainie and Stuart, they deserve some happiness and Diane Parish is just amazing. I thought Lorraine Stanley was better and i like the relationship between Bobby and Max. Ian is a toad.

I do not trust the relationship of Max and Bobby.

[lizann]

is drunk sharon still grieving for denny, where was albie

[Dennis tanner]

is drunk sharon still grieving for denny, where was albie

She's merely celebrating getting away from Beale for a few hours

[flappinfanny]

I could watch Denise all night. not sure where Mick and Linda go from here or whether they have a future together or in the square? You could see what was going to happen with Linda and Max a mile off. So Jack has warned King Phillip off.

[lizann]

max is linda new best mate and sponsor

[Dennis tanner]

I could watch Denise all night. not sure where Mick and Linda go from here or whether they have a future together or in the square? You could see what was going to happen with Linda and Max a mile off. So Jack has warned King Phillip off.

I have liked Denise since she worked for Lovejoy. It was a farce for Mick and Linda to sell the pub for them to spend time in the two pubs in the show

[tammyy2j]

I do not trust the relationship of Max and Bobby.

I do think Max genuinely is looking out for Bobby, a substitute child for Bradley and Abi, I do not think malice

[parkerman]

There is much to criticise in the way Coronation Street has handled the pandemic, but at least they have given it a go. Eastenders is acting as though the pandemic has never happened. There are no masks, no social distancing, apparently no restrictions at all. I suppose it makes life easier for them if they pretend it hasn't/isn't happening.

[Dennis tanner]

I know he went to a fatal RTA which upset him but does Callum ever do any actual Police work or does he just go in when he feels like it

[parkerman]

I know he went to a fatal RTA which upset him but does Callum ever do any actual Police work or does he just go in when he feels like it

Apparently so from what he said to Ben.

[lizann]

is frankie even gay, tina is a bit much

suki is cold doing that to happy in love jags, no rival for control of her kids any of then

[lizann]

was mick abused?

[kaz21]

Sounds like a ex girlfriend before Linda.

[parkerman]

I can't help feeling that Jags and Vinny would wear completely different size jeans.....

[lizann]

I can't help feeling that Jags and Vinny would wear completely different size jeans.....

were their jags jeans as he helped clean up the shop

[Dennis tanner]

I can't help feeling that Jags and Vinny would wear completely different size jeans.....

and he would look nothing like the person in the film.

Mick should come clean to his wife but he will not

[lizann]

is jags sister and brothers going to let him go down

[parkerman]

were their jags jeans as he helped clean up the shop

No he didn't. All he did was remove the CCTV video. Martin (with blood) was still there when the police arrived after being phoned by Suki. She told them she'd seen two men fighting but couldn't identify them. Surely the police might think it suspicious that she couldn't recognise her own son!

[lizann]

terrible exit for jags

[lizann]

was mick in care?

[parkerman]

was mick in care?

Yes, Shirley, Tina and Mick were all in care at one time.

[lizann]

Yes, Shirley, Tina and Mick were all in care at one time.

mick abused in care?

[lizann]

mick projecting his predator angry at max over abuse

[Dennis tanner]

is jags sister and brothers going to let him go down

They will do what Mommy tells them to do

Farce in the court room.

[flappinfanny]

The Panesar's were the highlights tonight, along with Stacey's rant.

Odd we did not see the funeral. Toby Alexander smith was very good. I so wanted Mick to rip Max's head off.

Downside hideous incidental music, not needed, this is EastEnders.

[Ruffed_lemur]

Frankie isn't Mick's oldest child is she? If she isn't, then he must have fathered her when with Linda.

[parkerman]

Frankie isn't Mick's oldest child is she? If she isn't, then he must have fathered her when with Linda.

Although it hasn't been made clear yet, I believe Frankie is meant to be older than Mick's other children and that he was only 12 or 13 himself when she was born, thus making this (yet another) child abuse storyline.

[lizann]

They will do what Mommy tells them to do

Farce in the court room.

ash especially knows what suki is like, disappointed in her and kheeret

[parkerman]

They seem to have a very strange court system in Walford where the prosecution calls the defence witnesses and then questions them first. I wonder if they've found by experience that it's better than the English legal system.

[Dennis tanner]

They seem to have a very strange court system in Walford where the prosecution calls the defence witnesses and then questions them first. I wonder if they've found by experience that it's better than the English legal system.

Beat me to it. I wanted to hear what Whitney and Mick said.

Strange that they are no prosecution witnesses !!!

Karen Taylor...Two men lusting after her. Who would have thought it.

[lizann]

no bianca or leo's mum for the trial

[Jadefalcon]

I know lawyers are given certain leeway in questioning people but does anyone else think the one questioning Whitney was WAY out of order as well as overly aggresive.

[parkerman]

I know lawyers are given certain leeway in questioning people but does anyone else think the one questioning Whitney was WAY out of order as well as overly aggresive.

The whole trial was a complete farce. Both Whitney and Mick were defence witnesses and should have been called by the defence and asked to give their account first. The scriptwriters obviously haven't got the faintest idea how English trials work, nor did they bother to do any research. Utter nonsense.

[Jadefalcon]

The whole trial was a complete farce. Both Whitney and Mick were defence witnesses and should have been called by the defence and asked to give their account first. The scriptwriters obviously haven't got the faintest idea how English trials work, nor did they bother to do any research. Utter nonsense.

I primarily thought the way he instantly attacked Whitney about her previous relationships. The only way that would have had any relevance would be if she had attempted to kill or harm her previous boyfriends. As she said, this was just a cheap attempt to make her look bad. I wonder what would have happened if the trial had got far enough that it would have mentioned him camping in her loft with a hole drilled in the ceiling...

[lizann]

do ruby and martin know about jags, ruby knows it was vinny

[kaz21]

So mick was abused. Poor Frankie finding out that.

[lizann]

So mick was abused. Poor Frankie finding out that.

a daddy at 12

ruby and martin married did not expect that

[Dennis tanner]

Denise needs to warn the child's grandmother about Mitchell.

[Jadefalcon]

Do Stacey and Kat never learn, honestly, Ruby should terminate their contract at the club as I wouldn't trust either of them to be there. The only thing is that Jean works with the cleaning as well and it would punish her.

I'm not Ruby's greatest fan but really don't like Stacey.

[lizann]

a wedding party with no guests only crashers who were stealing, ruby really rubbing stacey's face in it, that friendship over

shirley was phenomenal

[tammyy2j]

I cannot believe Gray was going to kill his own kids :mad: I thought for once we might see him break down and confess in the court his own guilty secret

Mick is blaming Shirley for what Casey did to him

[Dennis tanner]

I cannot believe Gray was going to kill his own kids :mad: I thought for once we might see him break down and confess in the court his own guilty secret

Mick is blaming Shirley for what Casey did to him

It's all very depressing

[lizann]

again great shirley scenes

[Dennis tanner]

again great shirley scenes

Mick has gone for many years not being mad at Shirley, so why now ?????

[parkerman]

Mick has gone for many years not being mad at Shirley, so why now ?????

Did you not watch last week's episodes? You can see them on i-player, when all will be revealed.

[Dennis tanner]

Did you not watch last week's episodes? You can see them on i-player, when all will be revealed.

I watched them all but I have no idea about what goes on in his head

[lizann]

Mick has gone for many years not being mad at Shirley, so why now ?????

frankie has brought up his care abuse with her mother and he was in care because of shirley

[Dennis tanner]

frankie has brought up his care abuse with her mother and he was in care because of shirley

But has he only just realised that he had been in care

[kaz21]

No he?s been suppressing the memory?s of what happened to him.

[Dennis tanner]

No he?s been suppressing the memory?s of what happened to him.

I disagree. Mick only found out about it when he read the script a few weeks ago.

[lizann]

peter a grown man looking for his weekly allowance, his pocket money, ffs get a job he was working at the car lot and teaching fitness

[Dennis tanner]

peter a grown man looking for his weekly allowance, his pocket money, ffs get a job he was working at the car lot and teaching fitness

Beale has to be careful not to upset him too much or he will leave the country again

[lizann]

Beale has to be careful not to upset him too much or he will leave the country again

or get a different head

[Jadefalcon]

Can anyone explain how the Mitchells seem to be able to lay their hands on ?80,000 just like that with promises more to come.

Also, was Ellie born with that sneer or did she practice cultivating it.

[flappinfanny]

The Nu Lily is a chip off the old block. I think Phil has met his match with Ellie. Clay playing Bobby is excellent and well cast. Mica Paris has given her best performance so far.

[Dennis tanner]

Clay playing Bobby is excellent and well cast. Yes you could easily believe that Weird Bobby was weird.

[flappinfanny]

So Habiba has left (in a taxi) Suki is a an evil cow, but a brilliant character. There was a nice mention tonight of Kate Mitchell. Is that why Thompson hates Phil so much??? A good stunt with Stacey tonight, i presume that was to do with Kush and not Ruby.

[lizann]

was it ruby who got stacey attacked? did stace and kheeret get physical :p

[kaz21]

Ruby got a message, saying she aka Stacey got the message. And yes she slept with Kheerat .

[parkerman]

Ruby got a message, saying she aka Stacey got the message. And yes she slept with Kheerat .

I don't think they did much sleeping.....

[Dennis tanner]

I don't think they did much sleeping.....

Beat me too it.

Will Mtchell get his way....Of course he will.

[lizann]

I don't think they did much sleeping.....

suki will love that pairing

[lizann]

stacey working for and with suki that will be fun

they barter with children so easy, money or blackmail to get a kid

[parkerman]

I can't quite work out whether it's the scriptwriters or Suki who doesn't know the law on evicting tenants.

[Dennis tanner]

I can't quite work out whether it's the scriptwriters or Suki who doesn't know the law on evicting tenants.

Both.

Why is PC Highway so totally gormless ?

I still; cvan't work out how Mitchell got his way so easily.

[Jadefalcon]

I still; cvan't work out how Mitchell got his way so easily.

It's called plot device, favouritism or character shields. I'm sure not long ago the Mitchell's were skint but now can spirit ?80k out of nowhere.

We all know of course that Phil won't leave alone and Denise is uncharacteristically naive to think so.

[lizann]

Both.

Why is PC Highway so totally gormless ?

I still; cvan't work out how Mitchell got his way so easily.

how was he fast tracked to a pc halfwit the idiot

[flappinfanny]

how was he fast tracked to a pc halfwit the idiotI agree but it is a soap tradition look at PC Tinker up North.

[parkerman]

I agree but it is a soap tradition look at PC Tinker up North.

Yes, at least Jack had a good grounding at Sun Hill.

[flappinfanny]

Sadly Peter has turned into an unlikeable character. He sneers very easily. I am glad Jay but Billy in his place. Kush is getting in keep and squeal Beale deserves everything he gets.

[Dennis tanner]

Yes, at least Jack had a good grounding at Sun Hill.

He's still playing the same character

[Dennis tanner]

Sadly Peter has turned into an unlikeable character. He sneers very easily. I am glad Jay but Billy in his place. Kush is getting in keep and squeal Beale deserves everything he gets.

I can well understand Peter being annoyed with the person who killed his sister

[kaz21]

Being his twin too. Twins have a unique bond.

[tammyy2j]

I hope Jay was in time to save Honey, in daylight by the side of the Queen Vic and no one sees or takes notice

Ruby going on about her gangster dad Johnny, she really wants the Slaters gone even though they supported her during her rape trial

[Jadefalcon]

I had my head turned away, did Honeys date dump something like Ryhpnol in her drink or something similar.

[kaz21]

Yeah he spiked her drink.

[parkerman]

Yeah he spiked her drink.
Yes, because by a great stroke of fortune she went off to the loo. What would he have done if she hadn't left the table?

[lizann]

why did jay not want the police involved with honey?

suki is devious and manipulative, top villain, great actress

where now for the slaters

[Dennis tanner]

Yeah he spiked her drink.

The first thing a normal hospital would have done would have been to take a blood test.

[Dennis tanner]

why did jay not want the police involved with honey?

suki is devious and manipulative, top villain, great actress

where now for the slaters

Kush is an idiot. Only an idiot plays with hsi enemy standing behind them.

[parkerman]

The first thing a normal hospital would have done would have been to take a blood test.

There is nothing normal about any institution in Walford. Walford is a strange far away land with its own customs, rules and laws.

[Ruffed_lemur]

why did jay not want the police involved with honey?

suki is devious and manipulative, top villain, great actress

where now for the slaters

Perhaps Jay thought the police questioning Honey and the examinations would be too much for her?

[lizann]

The first thing a normal hospital would have done would have been to take a blood test.

i thought they had were waiting results and of a rape kit, i watch too much law and order svu

[kaz21]

I think the detective, said about going to the SARC.

[Jadefalcon]

Perhaps Jay thought the police questioning Honey and the examinations would be too much for her?

I think that was what he was hinting, perhaps that she didn't have to talk to the police, or at least not right away. I know the police will think any memory or recall she would have would be fresh in her mind, but at the same time I can imagine Honey being upset.

I'm probably reaching here, but between the his normal concern and the way he perceives his relationship with Lola, is he perhaps having a bit of a crush on her, if that's the right word?

Also, I despise Suki as a person. I know that's not a tiny house the Slaters are in but I can imagine Suki becoming a slum landlord after what Stacey or was it Kat that said about how many there are in it, and she wants to convert it into multiple flats each of which would need kitchen, lounge and a bedroom and bathroom at least. I know some rooms could be open plan combining these but even then that is rather cramped sounding.

[lizann]

i would think jay would see honey more as a mother figure not a romantic love crush

was any checks from the social services or docs done for little baby raymond?

[Dennis tanner]

i thought they had were waiting results and of a rape kit, i watch too much law and order svu

They would have a blood test result very quickly so they would know how to treat her.

[flappinfanny]

I would quite like to see the Slaters thrown out of 31.

Line of the night from Sonia: 'Car jack Carter'

Suki is a good addition to the soap and has no redeeming qualities. Kush what an idiot, lovable and beautiful but a blithering fool.

[Jadefalcon]

To be honest the only adult Slater I feel sorry for is Jean. Kat, Mo and Stacey don't do themselves any favours.

[Dennis tanner]

I would quite like to see the Slaters thrown out of 31.

Line of the night from Sonia: 'Car jack Carter'

Suki is a good addition to the soap and has no redeeming qualities. Kush what an idiot, lovable and beautiful but a blithering fool.

You might think that he's beautiful. I think that he has a very strange shaped head.

Siully Billy was shaking that much I thought he was going to spontaneously combust

If they have any money, Tiffany needs to get some new jeans.