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tammyy2j
19-05-2016, 15:23
I thought EastEnders would be on all week this week for Peggy's exit
Rear window
19-05-2016, 17:49
I thought EastEnders would be on all week this week for Peggy's exit
I hoped it wouldn't!
oh phil that letter was sad and bobby is unleashed again
tammyy2j
20-05-2016, 00:09
Well hearing Peggy reading Phil's letter and Steve's acting got me tonight :crying:
Well hearing Peggy reading Phil's letter and Steve's acting got me tonight :crying:
Me too! After being underwhelmed during Peggy's final episode I'm now in bits after watching Phil read Peggy's letter. http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/tears/t2311.gif
Such a simple yet loving final message which said everything that needed to be said. That was Peggy's real exit, and it was very well done indeed.
flappinfanny
20-05-2016, 01:00
A masterpiece of an episode. 11/10. First class in every respect, acting, script, direction, Steve McFadden is beyond brilliant, a sort of julia's theme with a special ending theme tune, ruined by the action line and continuity announcer. By all means have the action line, but at the end, before the news headlines.
A masterpiece of an episode. 11/10. First class in every respect, acting, script, direction, Steve McFadden is beyond brilliant, a sort of julia's theme with a special ending theme tune, ruined by the action line and continuity announcer. By all means have the action line, but at the end, before the news headlines.
That was incredibly jarring. :angry:
bobby really took that hockey stick to jane, blood on the cake was shocking
parkerman
20-05-2016, 23:12
Poetic justice, Jane, poetic justice.
parkerman
20-05-2016, 23:15
Shame Michelle couldn't make it to her brother's wedding. I wonder why that was....:hmm:
tammyy2j
20-05-2016, 23:17
Well that was certainly no accident by Bobby, Jane is seriously injured after those blows
Will Andy let Kyle away safe now he has seen his clippings, I do hope so
Did Stacey or Belinda explain the absences of Jean, Kat and Mo from the wedding?
I liked that Jay was shown upset as he cant be there for his Mitchell family and his hug with Ben
parkerman
20-05-2016, 23:23
Did Stacey or Belinda explain the absences of Jean, Kat and Mo from the wedding?
Martin explained Jean's absence.
tammyy2j
20-05-2016, 23:24
Martin explained Jean's absence.
What was it?
Bobbys back :ninja:
Not a windsor fan she sold her soul to the online gambling evil for a few bucks but the cast did well getting thru this total guff.
Bobby is demon seed, well played the actor playing him...The Beals are just getting the pay back their vileness deserves, Im guessing Ian will roll with anything that keeps his demonic offspring from justice, so its jolly hockey sticks all round.
parkerman
21-05-2016, 08:31
What was it?
Olly slipped a disc (or something) and couldn't move, so Jean was staying with him.
Rear window
21-05-2016, 09:06
It was really thumpy and the blood splatter was gross.
Bobbys back :ninja:
Not a windsor fan she sold her soul to the online gambling evil for a few bucks but the cast did well getting thru this total guff.
Bobby is demon seed, well played the actor playing him...The Beals are just getting the pay back their vileness deserves, Im guessing Ian will roll with anything that keeps his demonic offspring from justice, so its jolly hockey sticks all round.
Every time I see him I just keep thinking Damian from the Omen!! He is one evil kid
storyseeker1
21-05-2016, 14:54
Last eps seem to confirm that Andy is actually Danielle's brother, or at least someone who knew her. I suppose he could always be a former lover or something like that out for revenge.
will anyone remember max's innocent protests and naming bobby as lucy's killer once what he done to jane comes out, lauren is supposedly back late next week or week after
storyseeker1
21-05-2016, 16:53
will anyone remember max's innocent protests and naming bobby as lucy's killer once what he done to jane comes out, lauren is supposedly back late next week or week after
Hopefully. I know that nobody believed him, as I guess they couldn't believe that little Bobby could be capable of doing such a terrible thing, but now maybe they'll finally get their heads out of the sand and start to think.
Ruffed_lemur
21-05-2016, 21:54
will anyone remember max's innocent protests and naming bobby as lucy's killer once what he done to jane comes out, lauren is supposedly back late next week or week after
Hope they do. I wonder what Bobby's reaction will be when he realises just what he's done?
parkerman
21-05-2016, 22:33
It'll be ok. Ian will find someone else to blame for what happened and get them locked up for life as well.
Bobby was as cold as ice whacking Jane! No remorse either. Definitely a psychopath/sociopath, although we knew that after the spider torture incident.
I agree with you all that Jane's attack was brutal and shocking. I didn't expect Bobby to carry on hitting her after the first time. :eek:
Apart from that, there were quite a lot of tears from me yet again during this episode. The simple yet effective wedding, Martin and Stacey's scenes, Phil and Sharon's scenes (particularly the one where Dot talked about Ethel's death), and Phil and Shirley's scene, all moved me. :crying:
I hope Martin and Stacey are now kept together for as long as both actors remain in the show. :wub:
Last eps seem to confirm that Andy is actually Danielle's brother, or at least someone who knew her. I suppose he could always be a former lover or something like that out for revenge.
Im lost on this one,wasnt Danielle Ronnies off spring? My problem is that they now use visuals so much that its totally lost on us blindies :wall:
Im lost on this one,wasnt Danielle Ronnies off spring? My problem is that they now use visuals so much that its totally lost on us blindies :wall:
Yes, Danielle was Ronnie's child that she had at thirteen and was taken from her and adopted. She was killed soon after Ronnie learnt her true identity.
The picture depicting Danielle and a young Andy was only shown for a second or two. I found it almost impossible to make it out myself in that time, so it wasn't fair on anyone with eyesight problems.
storyseeker1
22-05-2016, 02:00
Im lost on this one,wasnt Danielle Ronnies off spring? My problem is that they now use visuals so much that its totally lost on us blindies :wall:
Yeah, Danielle was Ronnie's daughter that she gave up for adoption when she was a kid. Danielle was killed in a hit and run just when Ronnie found out who she was (thanks in no small part to her father, Archie may he rest in pieces).
Bobby was as cold as ice whacking Jane! No remorse either. Definitely a psychopath/sociopath, although we knew that after the spider torture incident. :wub:
Bobby is definitely twisted! Like I said, though, he could still be IED. People who suffer with that lose complete control of themselves when they have an outburst, only to feel total remorse after they've done whatever. Bobby seems to have all the symptoms, except for the remorseful part, but then again that could be just because he's a kid and he's one of those that refuse to acknowledge his guilt and try to get away with things.
Bobby didn't appear to me to lose control when he attacked Jane. Sure, he was angry with her, but the attack didn't seem to be an explosion of rage. Quite the opposite. If I remember it correctly, he even waited until her back was turned, which shows he thought about it for a moment or two. The lack of remorse or even shock immediately afterwards strengthens my opinion. However, my interpretation could be down to bad directing and/or acting (or memory!) so we'll have see what happens next.
Just to add: animal torture is a classic sign of deep psychopathy, which is why I imagine Bobby was written as doing that. Many serial killers have a history of beginning their sadistic careers as children by torturing small animals.
flappinfanny
23-05-2016, 00:03
Every time I see him I just keep thinking Damian from the Omen!! He is one evil kid
I think of Rodney and Only fools and Horses. :D
flappinfanny
23-05-2016, 00:04
It'll be ok. Ian will find someone else to blame for what happened and get them locked up for life as well.
:rotfl:
roxy is a drug mule
finally bobby confessed
roxy is a drug mule
finally bobby confessed
parkerman
23-05-2016, 21:25
Michelle managed to get a lot into a couple of lines!
Ruffed_lemur
23-05-2016, 21:51
What on earth was Ian thinking of, trying to take Bobby away again?! At least Mick gave him something to think about and made him come to his senses.
tammyy2j
23-05-2016, 22:44
What on earth was Ian thinking of, trying to take Bobby away again?! At least Mick gave him something to think about and made him come to his senses.
Did Mick know all along it was really Bobby?
Where is Abi, was she not invited to the wedding or even helping Aunt Babe in the kitchen of Queen Vic?
Was Whitney looking after Ollie?
I wonder will Martin tell Stacey his new wife the truth
I laughed at Roxy's line about the drugs being inside her to Billy who wanted buffalo wings :lol:
tammyy2j
23-05-2016, 23:13
What on earth was Ian thinking of, trying to take Bobby away again?! At least Mick gave him something to think about and made him come to his senses.
I think Ben mentioning his own time in prison scared Ian into protecting Bobby
He he ..Yeah Rox asks for help from the most incompetent Mitchell.. thats desperate.
Ian can always get a new wife hes done loads in the past, run Bobby run , and give me your email address I have a list of other bods on the square that need the car crusher treatment.
Babe is messing with a couple who deal in dead bodies, not a clever move.
The red button montage thing, yeah .. it seemed to be aimed at the memory challenged viewers and overall was a waste of everyone's time, it wasnt helped by the fact it repeated scenes add nosiam
He he ..Yeah Rox asks for help from the most incompetent Mitchell.. thats desperate.
Ian can always get a new wife hes done loads in the past, run Bobby run , and give me your email address I have a list of other bods on the square that need the car crusher treatment.
Babe is messing with a couple who deal in dead bodies, not a clever move.
The red button montage thing, yeah .. it seemed to be aimed at the memory challenged viewers and overall was a waste of everyone's time, it wasnt helped by the fact it repeated scenes add nosiam
tammyy2j
23-05-2016, 23:41
Only Kim mentioned Max :angry:
Well I wasn't expecting Bobby to confess to Lucy's murder - in public no less! :eek: That genie's definitely not going back into its bottle. And there didn't appear to be an ounce of concern for Jane in Bobby's demeanour; all he cared about was the consequences for himself. :angry:
I bet Stacey will phone Max now.
Did Mick know all along it was really Bobby?
He probably only just put two and two together.
Was Whitney looking after Ollie?
She was in the pub with Lee.
I wonder will Martin tell Stacey his new wife the truth
I hope so...I want their marriage to work.
I loved Martin's speech. James Bye has turned nuMartin into a likeable, compelling and believable character.
Ian can always get a new wife hes done loads in the past,
:rotfl:
tammyy2j
23-05-2016, 23:51
Martin was meaning Jean with sick Ollie, I took it as sick baby Ollie Carter :o
I like this new Martin too
Ruffed_lemur
24-05-2016, 00:04
Did Mick know all along it was really Bobby?
I thought he did. Half the square knew didn't they?!
I thought he did. Half the square knew didn't they?!
about 3/4 of them knew
I thought he did. Half the square knew didn't they?!
about 3/4 of them knew
Ruffed_lemur
24-05-2016, 00:08
I think Ben mentioning his own time in prison scared Ian into protecting Bobby
Maybe, but all the same what about poor Jane? Something needs to be done about Bobby anyway, time to stop running away.
storyseeker1
24-05-2016, 00:24
Maybe, but all the same what about poor Jane? Something needs to be done about Bobby anyway, time to stop running away.
Yeah. A kid like that can't be allowed to stay on the streets. It was only a matter of time before he strikes again. Harsh as it sounds, he needs to be behind bars and to get a full dose of psychiatric treatment.
Ian effectively abandoned Bobby to his fate when he chose Jane, the latter is in no fit state to protect her son, and Sharon has obviously reached the end of her tether. I don't think there'll be any more covering for Bobby. The police have been called and it's common knowledge he attacked Jane and claims to have killed Lucy. I don't see how he's getting out of this one! :hmm:
If he admits his guilt to the police and covers for his parents (though I don't know why he would), they could get off scott free - at least in the legal sense. Jane has obviously paid very dearly for her actions.
storyseeker1
24-05-2016, 01:09
Ian effectively abandoned Bobby to his fate when he chose Jane, the latter is in no fit state to protect her son, and Sharon has obviously reached the end of her tether. I don't think there'll be any more covering for Bobby. The police have been called and it's common knowledge he attacked Jane and claims to have killed Lucy. I don't see how he's getting out of this one! :hmm:
If he admits his guilt to the police and covers for his parents (though I don't know why he would), they could get off scott free - at last in the legal sense. Jane has obviously paid very dearly for her actions.
You would think, but under normal circumstances Bobby should have been found out long ago. Plus, there are some photos of upcoming eps where Bobby is seen at the hospital with Jane and everyone. Of course, he could just be out on bail until the police have resolved everything, but who knows. Everytime when I think Bobby's goose is cooked, EE ends up saving his bacon yet again. So I'm not gonna say anything until he's clamped in irons and sent away for sure.
You would think, but under normal circumstances Bobby should have been found out long ago. Plus, there are some photos of upcoming eps where Bobby is seen at the hospital with Jane and everyone. Of course, he could just be out on bail until the police have resolved everything, but who knows. Everytime when I think Bobby's goose is cooked, EE ends up saving his bacon yet again. So I'm not gonna say anything until he's clamped in irons and sent away for sure.
That's very true. However, these episodes were some of DTC's final ones as EP, so I'm hoping that means he wanted to see this chapter of Bobby's story completed before he left.
storyseeker1
24-05-2016, 03:07
That's very true. However, these episodes were some of DTC's final ones as EP, so I'm hoping that means he wanted to see this chapter of Bobby's story completed before he left.
Let's hope so.
Rear window
24-05-2016, 08:37
You would think, but under normal circumstances Bobby should have been found out long ago. Plus, there are some photos of upcoming eps where Bobby is seen at the hospital with Jane and everyone. Of course, he could just be out on bail until the police have resolved everything, but who knows. Everytime when I think Bobby's goose is cooked, EE ends up saving his bacon yet again. So I'm not gonna say anything until he's clamped in irons and sent away for sure.
I do wonder if he will get off with this and then learn to be a builder with a speciality of concreting and patios.
tammyy2j
24-05-2016, 14:29
I hope Carol is rang and told Max is innocent and of all times for Abi not to be in the pub :angry:
parkerman
24-05-2016, 15:42
Well I'm certainly looking forward to the most evil villain in the history of soaps outdo Bobby.
I am speaking of Gavin of course.....
tammyy2j
24-05-2016, 16:04
What does Roxy think Billy can do, operate in the pub :p
Well I'm certainly looking forward to the most evil villain in the history of soaps outdo Bobby.
I am speaking of Gavin of course.....
I think they're hoping we've forgotten all about the damp squib that was Gavin. :p
So old clicky shoes Max will be back with a list of people to get even with including Abi and Carol. What with Philth ill he becomes the new alpha thug in the square Im guessing. Did Jack turn his back on Max?
I guess soap cops and law will be the usual fantasy brainless keystone cop variety, Bob will be sent off for a nice holiday in a soft unit and Jane will get a suspended the rest will probably get nowt allowing Max to come after them.
I still really dont like the actor who plays martin, dont know why, its illogical but then that sums me up.
So old clicky shoes Max will be back with a list of people to get even with including Abi and Carol. What with Philth ill he becomes the new alpha thug in the square Im guessing. Did Jack turn his back on Max?
I guess soap cops and law will be the usual fantasy brainless keystone cop variety, Bob will be sent off for a nice holiday in a soft unit and Jane will get a suspended the rest will probably get nowt allowing Max to come after them.
I still really dont like the actor who plays martin, dont know why, its illogical but then that sums me up.
parkerman
24-05-2016, 16:34
I think they're hoping we've forgotten all about the damp squib that was Gavin. :p
Has Gavin left then? Or will he be returning at some point to claim his Empror of Evil title?
Is this one of the "loose ends" DTC has left?
keeble should be arresting most of square
Has Gavin left then? Or will he be returning at some point to claim his Empror of Evil title?
I've no idea! He'll probably return long enough to menace someone and get his hands on a wad of cash next time Paul Nicholas has a few days going spare... :p
Is this one of the "loose ends" DTC has left?
I'd say it's likely given there are no spoilers about Gavin's imminent return floating about. :wall:
everyone is still against max even abi and jack
I think it could be their guilt that makes them not want to face the truth..
ben all threatening to stacey and now phil wants sharon to sort stacey
everyone is still against max even abi and jack
Keeble had her mind made up before she'd even spoken to Bobby. Wrongful conviction would look bad on her service record together with a sloppy investigation and bias. Abi true to form . Let's hope Stacey will contact Lauren or Carol. Martin needs to find out about Ben threatening Stacey, and mark his card. Looks as though the penny has dropped for the Cokers about Babe.
Good episode, Bobby's character so well acted again by the young man. Fingers crossed for further progress.:thumbsup:
bobby confessing to everything is delightful and yes the young actor is doing an amazing job
Feeble sorry I mean Keeble just wanted to save herself the ignominy of having sent an innocent man to prison.
Umm did the arresting Officer have a note to be out of school arresting killers?
Jaxk is on Maxs hit list then, as for Abi, its all going south for her, she ratted out Max to save her love Ben only for the git to not only dump her but humiliate her in public, no wonder she is in deep deep denial.
As for Kathy and her whining about the boy is good at heart blah blah.. shush women :moonie:
storyseeker1
24-05-2016, 20:53
See. Told you. Every time when it looks like Bobby is about to get his comeuppance and everything is about to be concluded, something else happens and we all go right back to the beginning.
parkerman
24-05-2016, 22:11
See. Told you. Every time when it looks like Bobby is about to get his comeuppance and everything is about to be concluded, something else happens and we all go right back to the beginning.
Yes, it really is getting beyond a joke. Even salt of the earth, Mick Carter, seems as though he is prepared to let Max stay in jail even though he knows the truth. "Shut up, Denny!"
Rear window
24-05-2016, 22:49
keeble should be arresting most of square
I think she needs sacking for the dismissal of Bobby's confession.
Yes, it really is getting beyond a joke. Even salt of the earth, Mick Carter, seems as though he is prepared to let Max stay in jail even though he knows the truth. "Shut up, Denny!"
lee was even questioned you'd think mick would speak up instead of shutting denny up
stacey needs to keep digging
See. Told you. Every time when it looks like Bobby is about to get his comeuppance and everything is about to be concluded, something else happens and we all go right back to the beginning.
That's not true this time though. Now Bobby's admitted the existence of the jewellery box, the police will be forced to investigate it (and police who have no agenda at that) and find forensic evidence. Even if forensics find nothing to tie Bobby to Lucy's death, his knowledge of it speaks volumes. It's all snowballing.
Now I realise some will say he'll still get off, but we know Max will be back soon so he's going to be exonerated one way or another, even if Bobby isn't convicted for Lucy's murder. Granted there will still be twists and turns, but I just don't see how Bobby's escaping justice this time. He certainly won't for Jane's attack. The only way would be for him to go on the run.
This is all different than before and feels like the beginning of the end to me, especially since we know Max's reappearance will be happening shortly.
storyseeker1
25-05-2016, 01:40
That's not true this time though. Now Bobby's admitted the existence of the jewellery box, the police will be forced to investigate it (and police who have no agenda at that) and find forensic evidence. Even if forensics find nothing to tie Bobby to Lucy's death, his knowledge of it speaks volumes. It's all snowballing.
Now I realise some will say he'll still get off, but we know Max will be back soon so he's going to be exonerated one way or another, even if Bobby isn't convicted for Lucy's murder. Granted there will still be twists and turns, but I just don't see how Bobby's escaping justice this time. He certainly won't for Jane's attack. The only way would be for him to go on the run.
This is all different than before and feels like the beginning of the end to me, especially since we know Max's reappearance will be happening shortly.
I hope so. God I hope so, as this story's gone on waaaay too long.
Rear window
25-05-2016, 08:24
I hope so. God I hope so, as this story's gone on waaaay too long.
Agreed, It has gone on faaaaaar toooo looong.
But we were reminded that he's now only 12, so only 11 (or maybe 10) when he killed Lucy.
It wasn't pre-meditated, and viewers have been led to believe he didn't really know he'd done it for some time. If it was one thump and she was dead .. then that's a fight between siblings that's just got a horrid ending. The cover up is the shocking thing. And the extent of it. Which I think we've all said by now half the square are complicit in the cover up.
But the attack on Jane was a vicious attack - by a 12 year old with untreated anger issues - he has to be punished.
I don't even believe they were talking about bail. He's just bludgeoned his mother nearly to death with a hockey stick!
the police need to ask why he'd changed his clothes, take some statements from people in the pub and then look for this jewellery box.
He needs treatment for his anger and rage.
How sorry are we supposed to feel for Jane? Has she bought it on herself by having covered up Lucy's death?
Stacey is probably the sanest person on the square at the moment! :)
storyseeker1
25-05-2016, 09:43
Agreed, It has gone on faaaaaar toooo looong.
But we were reminded that he's now only 12, so only 11 (or maybe 10) when he killed Lucy.
It wasn't pre-meditated, and viewers have been led to believe he didn't really know he'd done it for some time. If it was one thump and she was dead .. then that's a fight between siblings that's just got a horrid ending. The cover up is the shocking thing. And the extent of it. Which I think we've all said by now half the square are complicit in the cover up.
But the attack on Jane was a vicious attack - by a 12 year old with untreated anger issues - he has to be punished.
I don't even believe they were talking about bail. He's just bludgeoned his mother nearly to death with a hockey stick!
the police need to ask why he'd changed his clothes, take some statements from people in the pub and then look for this jewellery box.
He needs treatment for his anger and rage.
How sorry are we supposed to feel for Jane? Has she bought it on herself by having covered up Lucy's death?
Stacey is probably the sanest person on the square at the moment! :)
Plus, if Bobby does have that IED, then there's a chance he may get off because technically speaking he can't be held responsible for having a mental condition that he never got treatment for. He would most likely be sentenced to a psychiatric place.
Tbh, I can't feel all that sorry for Jane or Ian. Like you said, she deluded herself into thinking nothing was wrong with Bobby when it was clear that there was something mentally wrong with him. She covered Lucy's death, got someone innocent convicted for her murder, and basically just kept spoiling him and not getting him treatment.
Ironic that the girl with bipolar and who recently spent time getting psychiatric treatment herself is now the sanest person in the square.
I think in some ways the attack on Lucy was worse than the one on Jane. She was sitting down writing a note at the time and hadn't been interacting with Bobby beforehand. In no way could it be said he was provoked or flew into an uncontrollable rage at the time he killed Lucy (I still don't think that's what happened with Jane either mind). No matter what he or Jane say about that night, it was a cold blooded attack and not just a fight between siblings.
I agree he'll probably end up in psychiatric care rather than juvie, although if his problem is psychopathy (and his eerie calmness since Jane's attack backs this up for me), there is no treatment. It's a personality type not a mental illness: the type of person who believes they have the right to hurt those that displease or anger them and who feel little to no remorse or empathy (which I think describes Bobby to a tee). Martin said Bobby's wired wrong, which I believe represents the writers feelings.
I know some of you have complained about the community's reaction to Bobby's announcement, but I find it one of the more believable aspects of this tale. Even Abi and Jack believe Max capable of Lucy's murder, so when a young boy who looks like butter wouldn't melt and who - to the best of their knowledge - has no history of behavioural problems coolly announces he killed his sister, why would they believe it to be him rather than the man they had no qualms accepting was a killer? They're obviously shocked about Jane but they don't know all the facts and probably believe it was an accident at the moment (as, confusingly, even Kathy still appears to believe :wall:).
Mick and Linda have only just found out the truth. How they'll react when they've got over the shock will be interesting. I don't expect they'd keep quiet in the long run; I'd definitely find that unrealistic! :D
The worst part for me is that, despite admitting Bobby is not a good person, Ian (and the rest of the family) still want to protect Bobby. At least Sharon appears to me be be protecting herself and Phil rather than the demon child.
tammyy2j
25-05-2016, 13:09
I wonder will Martin protect Bobby and lie to Stacey or tell her the truth, I hope he does tell Stacey, wasn't his dad Arthur wrongfully imprisoned which lead to his depression and suicide?
Jack is a ex copper, you would think he would be some what suspicious
I think Keeble and Bryant are so against Max over SummerHayes who went willing with him
Mick and Linda now know they can't stay quite, so many protecting Bobby is ludicrous :angry:
I think in some ways Bobby is relieved to be able to be honest
Elliot Carrington is doing a great job as Bobby
storyseeker1
25-05-2016, 13:54
Jack is a ex copper, you would think he would be some what suspicious
I think Keeble and Bryant are so against Max over SummerHayes who went willing with him
Not to mention the fact that Max is his own brother. You'd think he would have at least tried to find out the truth and confirm that his brother was guilty or not.
I can't remember. I know Lauren went to that one cop who wouldn't listen, and basically said that he wanted Max to be in jail to pay for his crime. That pretty much confirmed for me that he was more interested in locking up Max instead of getting the truth.
Mick and Linda now know they can't stay quite, so many protecting Bobby is ludicrous :angry:
I think in some ways Bobby is relieved to be able to be honest
Elliot Carrington is doing a great job as Bobby
Do Mick and Linda know about Bobby? There's been so many that I've lost count.
I'm guessing that even Bobby must have finally realised that he has a problem when he attacked Jane, which is why he finally admitted the truth.
tammyy2j
25-05-2016, 14:23
How has Bobby still got the jewellery box or know where it is?
Rear window
25-05-2016, 14:24
How has Bobby still got the jewellery box or know where it is?
This is perhaps the crucial bit to it all.
What did Ian and Jane hide under the floor for a while? Was that just Lucy's phone?
tammyy2j
25-05-2016, 15:32
This is perhaps the crucial bit to it all.
What did Ian and Jane hide under the floor for a while? Was that just Lucy's phone?
Was it the phone that Jane hide and Jay buried her wallet in Square to protect Ben
I think in some ways Bobby is relieved to be able to be honest
Yes, that's the impression I got too.
Do Mick and Linda know about Bobby? There's been so many that I've lost count.
They've only just found out since Bobby's very public confession. They weren't in on the cover-up.
How has Bobby still got the jewellery box or know where it is?
The last time I remember seeing the jewellery box was when it turned out to be the mysterious present under the Christmas tree. Perhaps Bobby took it and hid it? I hope it's true he knows where it is because I can't imagine Ian being able to protect him if the police get hold of it.
Jane buried Lucy's phone and wallet under the floorboards, and Phil later handed them over to the police.
parkerman
25-05-2016, 18:07
They've only just found out since Bobby's very public confession. They weren't in on the cover-up.
Mick has had his suspicions though from something Ian said to him a long time ago...though I can't remember what it was he said now!
P.S. Inspector Marsbar was never convinced of Max's guilt as far as I remember. Maybe she plays a role in all this?
Mick has had his suspicions though from something Ian said to him a long time ago...though I can't remember what it was he said now!
P.S. Inspector Marsbar was never convinced of Max's guilt as far as I remember. Maybe she plays a role in all this?
I rememember that too but also can´t remember what made Mick suspicious ... and also about Inspector Marsbar
mick when stopping ian taking off with bobby said you've known since your wedding night, mick and ian had an exchange that night about ian known who killed Lucy
so now mick and linda added to bobby cover up list
mick when stopping ian taking off with bobby said you've known since your wedding night, mick and ian had an exchange that night about ian known who killed Lucy
so now mick and linda added to bobby cover up list
Mick has had his suspicions though from something Ian said to him a long time ago...though I can't remember what it was he said now!
It was at the end of the live episode. Ian met Mick in the street and said something along the lines that he knew who killed Lucy. Mick questioned him about it a few episodes later but Ian made some excuse to placate Mick. I'm pretty sure Bobby wasn't named.
I think Mick put two and two together when Bobby confessed and realised immediately that he was telling the truth, whereas everyone else (apart from Stacey) dismissed what Bobby said because it made no sense to them.
P.S. Inspector Marsbar was never convinced of Max's guilt as far as I remember. Maybe she plays a role in all this?
I hope so! :thumbsup:
so now mick and linda added to bobby cover up list
I think it's premature to say that, and anyway it's moot now the police have heard Bobby's confession.
However, suppose that surprising twist hadn't occurred: Mick and Linda have only known for a couple of hours at most. I think most people - on hearing something so shocking about a friend's child - would at least wait to confront their friend about it before going to the police. They don't strike me as the types who would keep quiet long term (they're not criminals or easily intimidated), but it looks likely we'll never find out now.
I think it's premature to say that, and anyway it's moot now the police have heard Bobby's confession.
However, suppose that surprising twist hadn't occurred: Mick and Linda have only known for a couple of hours at most. I think most people - on hearing something so shocking about a friend's child - would at least wait to confront their friend about it before going to the police. They don't strike me as the types who would keep quiet long term (they're not criminals or easily intimidated), but it looks likely we'll never find out now.
they don't have to go the police but mick told denny shut up and saw and heard ben calling stacey a liar and threaten her and did nothing so aiding beales by covering for bobby to me
I think it's premature to say that, and anyway it's moot now the police have heard Bobby's confession.
However, suppose that surprising twist hadn't occurred: Mick and Linda have only known for a couple of hours at most. I think most people - on hearing something so shocking about a friend's child - would at least wait to confront their friend about it before going to the police. They don't strike me as the types who would keep quiet long term (they're not criminals or easily intimidated), but it looks likely we'll never find out now.
they don't have to go the police but mick told denny shut up and saw and heard ben calling stacey a liar and threaten her and did nothing so aiding beales by covering for bobby to me
they don't have to go the police but mick told denny shut up and saw and heard ben calling stacey a liar and threaten her and did nothing so aiding beales by covering for bobby to me
That's true, I'd forgotten about that. However, I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I think it's possible he'd want to stop rumours spread until he'd spoken to Ian, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd go along with the cover up.
They've sabotaged plenty of other characters for this storyline of course, but I like to think DTC would stop at doing so to the characters he based on his parents.
That's true, I'd forgotten about that. However, I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I think it's possible he'd want to stop rumours spread until he'd spoken to Ian, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd go along with the cover up.
They've sabotaged plenty of other characters for this storyline of course, but I like to think DTC would stop at doing so to the characters he based on his parents.
mick knows bobby is guilty ian's silence and trying to run off with him gave it away plus lee was taken in and questioned about lucy's death
mick owes ian nothing, stacey at least believed linda over dean and helped her
ian or jane did nothing for mick and linda during that time
mick could have thrown ben out and told him to stop but did nothing instead just told denny to shut up
dtc ruining so many characters for the bobby killer storyline only saving part of it is bobby himself
That's true, I'd forgotten about that. However, I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I think it's possible he'd want to stop rumours spread until he'd spoken to Ian, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd go along with the cover up.
They've sabotaged plenty of other characters for this storyline of course, but I like to think DTC would stop at doing so to the characters he based on his parents.
mick knows bobby is guilty ian's silence and trying to run off with him gave it away plus lee was taken in and questioned about lucy's death
mick owes ian nothing, stacey at least believed linda over dean and helped her
ian or jane did nothing for mick and linda during that time
mick could have thrown ben out and told him to stop but did nothing instead just told denny to shut up
dtc ruining so many characters for the bobby killer storyline only saving part of it is bobby himself
Another good point lizann makes is that Mick didn't step in when Ben threatened Stacey - and neither did anyone else for that matter. I thought that was wrong at the time, although considering no one helped the half naked Abi when Ben dragged her up on stage, I shouldn't really be surprised. Perhaps the writers consider that to be acceptable behaviour? :searchme: :angry:
mick knows bobby is guilty ian's silence and trying to run off with him gave it away plus lee was taken in and questioned about lucy's death
mick owes ian nothing, stacey at least believed linda over dean and helped her
ian or jane did nothing for mick and linda during that time
mick could have thrown ben out and told him to stop but did nothing instead just told denny to shut up
dtc ruining so many characters for the bobby killer storyline only saving part of it is bobby himself
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'll repeat myself and point out they've only known about Bobby killing Lucy for a very short time, so I think it's hard to extrapolate from that what they'd do long term.
I hope they wouldn't become part of a cover up because they're written as decent characters and it would spoil them for me. Everyone else involved either desperately loves Bobby (or Ian in Sharon's case), was intimidated into it, or has long forgotten what morals are. I can see how the writers justified it to themselves (although I find the whole cover up ludicrous), but I can't see how they could for Mick and Linda. Perhaps it's just me... :searchme:
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'll repeat myself and point out they've only known about Bobby killing Lucy for a very short time, so I think it's hard to extrapolate from that what they'd do long term. I hope they wouldn't become part of a cover up because they're written as decent characters and it would spoil them for me.
you could be right daz but i am disgusted with mick for shutting denny up and not throwing ben out, i know max wasn't popular for his relationships with young girls
also is shirley all good with ben now? she didn't even try and stop him with stacey knowing what he did to heather
i think we might see linda ask sharon
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'll repeat myself and point out they've only known about Bobby killing Lucy for a very short time, so I think it's hard to extrapolate from that what they'd do long term. I hope they wouldn't become part of a cover up because they're written as decent characters and it would spoil them for me.
you could be right daz but i am disgusted with mick for shutting denny up and not throwing ben out, i know max wasn't popular for his relationships with young girls
also is shirley all good with ben now? she didn't even try and stop him with stacey knowing what he did to heather
i think we might see linda ask sharon
i think we might see linda ask sharon
I hope so. I'd like to see that conversation. Linda knows how it feels to be denied justice so I really hope she's disgusted with Sharon and the rest of them.
abi should go even darker and get revenge for max on beales and mitchells
flappinfanny
26-05-2016, 00:59
A really good dark episode. Letitia Dean just gets better and better. I have no sympathy for Ian. It would serve him right if Jane croaked it. I thought Stacey was great tonight. Can't wait for Abi getting whats coming to her.
Keeble is back. :cheer: We just need Marsden back and my life is complete. Walford's very own Cagney and Lacey.
A really good dark episode. Letitia Dean just gets better and better. I have no sympathy for Ian. It would serve him right if Jane croaked it. I thought Stacey was great tonight. Can't wait for Abi getting whats coming to her.
Keeble is back. :cheer: We just need Marsden back and my life is complete. Walford's very own Cagney and Lacey.
why abi as does she still think max is guilty, sharon disappointed me as in beale house she wanted bobby caught but then changed in police station
A really good dark episode. Letitia Dean just gets better and better. I have no sympathy for Ian. It would serve him right if Jane croaked it. I thought Stacey was great tonight. Can't wait for Abi getting whats coming to her.
Keeble is back. :cheer: We just need Marsden back and my life is complete. Walford's very own Cagney and Lacey.
why abi as does she still think max is guilty, sharon disappointed me as in beale house she wanted bobby caught but then changed in police station
Rear window
26-05-2016, 09:10
abi should go even darker and get revenge for max on beales and mitchells
And be the most dangerous villain EastEnders has ever seen?
parkerman
26-05-2016, 09:13
And be the most dangerous villain EastEnders has ever seen?
She'd have to go it some to beat Gavin after all he's done.....oh, hang on a minute.....
tammyy2j
26-05-2016, 14:21
why abi as does she still think max is guilty, sharon disappointed me as in beale house she wanted bobby caught but then changed in police station
I think seeing Bobby only wanting to see his mum Jane in the police station melted Sharon's heart as a mum of Denny who is around the same age as Bobby
I do think time has come now for all to stop covering for Bobby
She'd have to go it some to beat Gavin after all he's done.....oh, hang on a minute.....
and talk of him he will appear, denny sick off all bobby cover up as am I
great talk linda, sharon chasing stacey and no blinks an eye to wonder why or ask
She'd have to go it some to beat Gavin after all he's done.....oh, hang on a minute.....
and talk of him he will appear, denny sick off all bobby cover up as am I
great talk linda, sharon chasing stacey and no blinks an eye to wonder why or ask
parkerman
26-05-2016, 22:03
Gavin is getting worried that Bobby might steal his greatest villain unhung reputation, that's why he had to come back.
Sharon wetting herself that shes stuffed if a whole pub know the killers identity. no .. oh wait ..its just Stacey who will leak that fact ???????? Good on Stacy taking her down in the pub.
Phil and Ian best buddies!! both not grasping that this is the end game, Bob is spilling like a super tanker on the rocks (Ian being in the interview at the back thou was farcical)
Babe... wanted to be caught of course, the women's sold babies whats a little light blackmail to her but fun, but Im not sure messing with a family who can legally dispose of bodies is a good move.
Sharon wetting herself that shes stuffed if a whole pub know the killers identity. no .. oh wait ..its just Stacey who will leak that fact ???????? Good on Stacy taking her down in the pub.
Phil and Ian best buddies!! both not grasping that this is the end game, Bob is spilling like the Exon Valdeez (Ian being in the interview at the back thou was farcical)
Babe... wanted to be caught of course, the women's sold babies whats a little light blackmail to her but fun, but Im not sure messing with a family who can legally dispose of bodies is a good move.
ian in the interview room with bobby was a complete farce and the killing box kept in the new school locker
thought cristine / jane's mama was a tad ott but she did call out bobby and ian
who was kathy on phone to, not gavin, michelle or peter was it?
ian in the interview room with bobby was a complete farce and the killing box kept in the new school locker
thought cristine / jane's mama was a tad ott but she did call out bobby and ian
who was kathy on phone to, not gavin, michelle or peter was it?
Yay! Bobby's almost certainly going down! Even Keeble's listening to him now. :cheer:
Notice he's saying all the right words but hasn't even shed one tear for his mum... :wall:
sharon chasing stacey and no blinks an eye to wonder why or ask
They didn't need to ask! :D
Sharon wetting herself that shes stuffed if a whole pub know the killers identity. no .. oh wait ..its just Stacey who will leak that fact ???????? Good on Stacy taking her down in the pub.
That's the Stacey I know and love! :clap:
Phil and Ian best buddies!! both not grasping that this is the end game, Bob is spilling like the Exon Valdeez (Ian being in the interview at the back thou was farcical)
:lol:
who was kathy on phone to, not gavin, michelle or peter was it?
I thought it could be Peter. He's the closest person to Ian who's not currently on the scene.
I thoroughly enjoyed Jane's mum's verbal mauling of Ian! :cheer:
Rear window
27-05-2016, 09:00
I think Stacey's been great! Pulling no punches with Sharon.
I thought the Ian to Bobby line about Jane will come bouncing back like a ball.
That wouldn't be a hockey ball would it? :-0
what a let down final episode for a good week
lauren and steven now a couple?
what a let down final episode for a good week
lauren and steven now a couple?
I wish I hadn't known Steven was coming back with Lauren. I'd have enjoyed that twist.
I was worried all episode about Bobby being left alone in the house with poor Dot... :eek:
It seems very unrealistic that a child who's been charged with GBH and is being investigated for murder is allowed to walk free (although to be fair I've no idea what would happen to a kid in that position in real life). Surely he would have been assessed by a police psychiatrist at the very least? :searchme:
I thought Ian's explanation of events to Christian was a good scene. I noticed the latter didn't interrogate Ian about Max however. Do the writers seriously believe most people wouldn't be incredulous that someone they loved allowed an innocent person to be jailed for life, or are they just trying to sweep it under the carpet?
I also don't believe Abi wouldn't be deeply shocked to discover her father's innocence, no matter how she feels about him. :thumbsdow
At least Ian finally admitted Bobby's attack on Lucy wasn't an accident.
im guessing dot don't know or don't believe bobby killed lucy, if she did would she allow him in her house
stacey is the only one in max's corner fighting
im guessing dot don't know or don't believe bobby killed lucy, if she did would she allow him in her house
stacey is the only one in max's corner fighting
I wish I hadn't known Steven was coming back with Lauren. I'd have enjoyed that twist.
It seems very unrealistic that a child who's been charged with GBH and is being investigated for murder is allowed to walk free (nt.
Due to his predilection for attacking family members I would of thought he would of been placed with a foster family or in a juvenile unit if there is such a thing. I mean the kid is coughing up his guilty plea and obviously wants to be restrained in a way he cant hurt anybody else.
Abi, she knew Max didnt do it, she was just keen to keep Ben out of prison so choose her side, so in a way its no surprise she is unswerving in her convictions that Max did it and to be fair Max acted like he did with all his actions to remove evidence of Lucy from the car lot cctv etc.
Lauren back? Wheres the baby? Max is going to hate both of his off spring when he gets out and where does Stevo come into this ?
I wish I hadn't known Steven was coming back with Lauren. I'd have enjoyed that twist.
It seems very unrealistic that a child who's been charged with GBH and is being investigated for murder is allowed to walk free (nt.
Due to his predilection for attacking family members I would of thought he would of been placed with a foster family or in a juvenile unit if there is such a thing. I mean the kid is coughing up his guilty plea and obviously wants to be restrained in a way he cant hurt anybody else.
Abi, she knew Max didnt do it, she was just keen to keep Ben out of prison so choose her side, so in a way its no surprise she is unswerving in her convictions that Max did it and to be fair Max acted like he did with all his actions to remove evidence of Lucy from the car lot cctv etc.
Lauren back? Wheres the baby? Max is going to hate both of his off spring when he gets out and where does Stevo come into this ?
parkerman
28-05-2016, 09:18
Lauren back? Wheres the baby?
She had the baby with her.
She had the baby with her.
Fudge.. Im going to have to sack my guide dog :rotfl:
Is that the original Stephen ? (the actor)
parkerman
28-05-2016, 10:29
Fudge.. Im going to have to sack my guide dog :rotfl:
Is that the original Stephen ? (the actor)
This is Steven's fourth incarnation, but Aaron Sidwell, who plays him this time, is the same actor who played him during his last appearance in 2007/8.
flappinfanny
28-05-2016, 18:07
So Lauren is back. I hope she kicks Abi's **** from here to kingdom come.
Good episode to end the week. I still can't summon up any sympathy for Ian or Jane. What goes around ..... Nice twist having Steven back, but he's got a nerve setting foot back in the square after what he did to Jane. Nice scenes with Shirley and Sharon and as always Steve McFadden smashed it out the park.
abi should kick lauren's **** as she knew max was innocent with bobby the killer
parkerman
28-05-2016, 19:49
So Lauren is back. I hope she kicks Abi's **** from here to kingdom come.
abi should kick lauren's **** as she knew max was innocent with bobby the killer
Perhaps they should kick each other's ******. They would make for interesting viewing......:p
Abi didn't know Max was innocent. She was genuinedly shocked when Stacey told her the truth. Unfortunately, she hates him either way.
tammyy2j
28-05-2016, 23:09
I am beginning to think that despite Bobby's open confession in the pub and his confession to the police and subsequent arrest and charge, no one around actually believes he is guilty as only Stacey is making an issue of it to help get Max out which Martin didn't look happy about, I wonder did Stacey ask him about Bobby, If that happened anywhere everyone would be talking about it, I was expecting more about it from Linda and Shirley with Sharon :wall:
Lauren shows up with baby Louis all smiles to Ian's door while her dad is in prison
I too wish Steven's return had been keep quite as a nice twist then
Was is Donna upset over Peggy, did they ever meet?
Jack calling Roxy unfit and not right in the head while he is with Ronnie, hello pot kettle black
As I said a few posts ago, I'm of the opinion the aftermath of Bobby's confession has been so low key because the writers know they made a pig's ear of the storyline and are trying to sweep it under the carpet in the hope we forget.
It's ludicrous that people who've known and socialised with Max for years (even if they didn't particularly like him) are barely talking about the possibility of him being falsely imprisoned! They would at least wonder about it even if they haven't yet got their heads around Bobby's guilt (and they were starting to wonder if he might be telling the truth during the last episode).
Abi didn't know Max was innocent. She was genuinedly shocked when Stacey told her the truth. Unfortunately, she hates him either way.
Max didnt help himself by acting guilty, getting rid of the cctv system and the blood which occurred when lucy hit her head in the car sales cabin, making Michael French quit the show so he couldnt be a part of the story line .. the list goes on.
But the crux of it is Abi supported her "I acidentaly killed Heather" bed buddy Ben over the bod who spawned her, the would be Lauren drowning nut job, who also likes to run over dogs when she can.
I still think Max will come back and have huge issues with both his off spring, but then the guy brings this stuff on humself as he only thinks with his lower brain.
Abi didn't know Max was innocent. She was genuinedly shocked when Stacey told her the truth. Unfortunately, she hates him either way.
Max didnt help himself by acting guilty, getting rid of the cctv system and the blood which occurred when lucy hit her head in the car sales cabin, making Michael French quit the show so he couldnt be a part of the story line .. the list goes on.
But the crux of it is Abi supported her "I acidentaly killed Heather" bed buddy Ben over the bod who spawned her, the would be Lauren drowning nut job, who also likes to run over dogs when she can.
I still think Max will come back and have huge issues with both his off spring, but then the guy brings this stuff on humself as he only thinks with his lower brain.
dot is max's step mother, who also loves a good natter and nothing even with beales in her house also abi lives there that must be fun
max didnt help himself by acting guilty, getting rid of the cctv system and the blood which occurred when lucy hit her head in the car sales cabin, making michael french quit the show so he couldnt be a part of the story line .. The list goes on.
:lol:
was max's brief marcus trying to put abi in frame as suspect too
was max's brief marcus trying to put abi in frame as suspect too
Yes, though he did it against Max's wishes after he confided in him. He and Abi both thought each other guilty.
Yes, but against Max's wishes. He and Abi both thought each other guilty.
abi thought him guilty she should be angry at beales and mitchells now mouthing off like stacey
Yes, but against Max's wishes. He and Abi both thought each other guilty.
abi thought him guilty she should be angry at beales and mitchells now mouthing off like stacey
Yes, though he did it against Max's wishes after he confided in him. He and Abi both thought each other guilty.
Yeah it gets very complicated during that time period.
Abi didnt take the accusation well lets say ..
Space monsters are coming
tammyy2j
28-05-2016, 23:48
dot is max's step mother, who also loves a good natter and nothing even with beales in her house also abi lives there that must be fun
I forgot Abi lives at Dot's house now too, maybe she is babysitting Bobby with Dot to help Ian :p I really am shocked no one is talking about Bobby's attack and arrest
I hope next week everyone will be talking, it is still 2 days only gone by
I expect Keeble, Bryant and South to be around questioning more
Sharon should really concentrate on her own son instead of Ian, Bobby and even Phil
Abi didnt take the accusation well lets say ..
I think it's one of the main reasons she hates him now.
jane lied to give max an alibi claiming an affair and no talk of this
parkerman
29-05-2016, 13:49
jane lied to give max an alibi claiming an affair and no talk of this
Exactly. Why wasn't she arrested for perjury and/or perverting the course of justice at the time?
flappinfanny
29-05-2016, 17:19
As much as I love EastEnders and this storyline, there are more holes in it than a bar of Aero.
tammyy2j
29-05-2016, 22:14
Was Ritchie at one time also representing Max for Lucy's murder before Marcus, so it is allowed for her to also now represent Bobby for the same case?
Good question Parkerman how Jane was never prosecuted
So the police think Lucy walked to the common herself after Bobby hit her? I suppose it's one way to let Jane, Ian et al off the hook legally. I was actually afraid they'd use Lucy's body being moved as a reason not to believe Bobby so I'm glad that's not the case.
Plus the jewellery box has been found and forensics is examining the Beale house. They'll be able to prove now that Lucy was killed at home with the box, though I don't know if they'll find evidence to directly link Bobby to Lucy's death. I hope they do so this storyline can be put to bed once and for all.
The next question will be, if Bobby's found guilty, where and how long a sentence will he serve? It's possible he could come back redeemed in a few years if he's had intensive treatment, but I suspect he'll always be an extremely twisted character even if he learns to hide it well.
flappinfanny
30-05-2016, 23:00
A mixed bag tonight, okish, but nothing to shout about. It could be interesting re Steven being back, but I don't think there was any need to have Lauren falling for Steven, it just wouldn't happen. The Bobby storyline is dragging on a wee bit, it needs to be wrapped up. When does Jake come back to work at Elstree? I hope it is soon. You can just see the love triangle with Johnny, Steven and Lauren. Still cannot summon up any sympathy for the Beales. They are ruined as characters sadly. I am glad Jay has come to his senses.
I'm not on board with Lauren and Steven either. It feels very forced - especially after the look he and Johnny exchanged.
did summerhump have evidence jane's car had moved was missing, the aftermath being terribly messed up
where is dot?
did summerhump have evidence jane's car had moved was missing, the aftermath being terribly messed up
where is dot?
parkerman
31-05-2016, 00:40
did summerhump have evidence jane's car had moved was missing, the aftermath being terribly messed up
I believe she did, yes.
I loved Jack telling Amy she had to have some chips before she could have any chocolate. That's right, Jack, you tell her. She's got to have something healthy to eat before she can have any chocolate! :lol:
did summerhump have evidence jane's car had moved was missing, the aftermath being terribly messed up
She did, but nobody else but Jane and Lauren knew as far as I can recall. I think the video must be long gone.
is ian or bobby the next beale for lauren :p
Rear window
31-05-2016, 08:51
abi should go even darker and get revenge for max on beales and mitchells
So has the stuff that covers up Jane's cover up going to stand any scrutiny? So the psycho killer can lie convincingly to the police too. This is how Eastenders will end up, in 10 years time with a grown up Bobby having a row on the square and then slaughtering everyone.
Rear window
31-05-2016, 08:51
abi should go even darker and get revenge for max on beales and mitchells
So has the stuff that covers up Jane's cover up going to stand any scrutiny? So the psycho killer can lie convincingly to the police too. This is how Eastenders will end up, in 10 years time with a grown up Bobby having a row on the square and then slaughtering everyone.
So Stevo bags Peters women and will be Petes kids new papa... classy Lauren.
Jane wakes up unable to move with evil spawn hovering over her bed, nice move Ian.
Abi, the girl will never accept Max didnt kill Lucy, shes too deep in the hole she dug for herself over Benny boy, admission now thats shes wrong would pull her apart. Its very clever writing.
Sharon is becoming more and more unlikable Im not surprised Denny prefers an on the run gezzer over her to live with. I mean shes so erratic and her taste in men is incredulous. I must say Im still waiting for the main guy from Elderado she was going to marry way back when to turn up.
Stevo defo lite up Jonnys gayda. Very interesting sub plot, this could be fun to watch.
So Stevo bags Peters women and will be Petes kids new papa... classy Lauren.
Jane wakes up unable to move with evil spawn hovering over her bed, nice move Ian.
Abi, the girl will never accept Max didnt kill Lucy, shes too deep in the hole she dug for herself over Benny boy, admission now thats shes wrong would pull her apart. Its very clever writing.
Sharon is becoming more and more unlikable Im not surprised Denny prefers an on the run gezzer over her to live with. I mean shes so erratic and her taste in men is incredulous. I must say Im still waiting for the main guy from Elderado she was going to marry way back when to turn up.
Stevo defo lite up Jonnys gayda. Very interesting sub plot, this could be fun to watch. Its not likea Branning women has hooked up with a secretly gay man before.. oh wait.
tammyy2j
31-05-2016, 13:15
So the police think Lucy walked to the common herself after Bobby hit her? I suppose it's one way to let Jane, Ian et al off the hook legally. I was actually afraid they'd use Lucy's body being moved as a reason not to believe Bobby so I'm glad that's not the case.
Plus the jewellery box has been found and forensics is examining the Beale house. They'll be able to prove now that Lucy was killed at home with the box, though I don't know if they'll find evidence to directly link Bobby to Lucy's death. I hope they do so this storyline can be put to bed once and for all.
The next question will be, if Bobby's found guilty, where and how long a sentence will he serve? It's possible he could come back redeemed in a few years if he's had intensive treatment, but I suspect he'll always be an extremely twisted character even if he learns to hide it well.
I think I am more confused as when Max was charged it was that she was killed in car lot and moved by car to the Common yes?
Last week was intense and nail biting with Bobby confessing and I was hoping he would implicate Jane, getting Ian and Phil also in trouble but now a damp squib
Was it Lauren or Peter that Kathy had rung directly? Peter would have said if he split from Lauren to her
Lauren should go to the police station again and confront Bryant infront of Keeble and Marsden
The writers needs to make up their minds too about Gavin
So Stevo bags Peters women and will be Petes kids new papa... classy Lauren.
Stevo defo lite up Jonnys gayda. Very interesting sub plot, this could be fun to watch. Its not likea Branning women has hooked up with a secretly gay man before.. oh wait.
Ok.. this makes no sense.... Doesn't both Peter and Christian know Steven is gay?? or did I miss something along the way... This is Steven Beale we are talking about??
tammyy2j
31-05-2016, 13:23
Ok.. this makes no sense.... Doesn't both Peter and Christian know Steven is gay?? or did I miss something along the way... This is Steven Beale we are talking about??
He did make a pass at Christian
parkerman
31-05-2016, 13:40
I think it would be better if Steven got together with Sonia. :ninja:
parkerman
31-05-2016, 13:43
Ok, so Bobby did it all by himself and Jane knew nothing about it.
Do you think someone might ask why, in that case, Jane perjured herself to give Max an alibi? Or will that just be forgotten?
I think I am more confused as when Max was charged it was that she was killed in car lot and moved by car to the Common yes?
I can't remember to be honest but I assume so.
Last week was intense and nail biting with Bobby confessing and I was hoping he would implicate Jane, getting Ian and Phil also in trouble but now a damp squib
Ian, Phil and Sharon were never likely to be found out and punished because realistically they'd be imprisoned (especially Phil for bribing the juror) and no producer would want to get rid of them. I did hope Jane at least would serve time, but it looks like her "punishment" is going to be the attack and its after-effects.
We don't even know yet if Bobby will be locked up! I can't see a way out of it for him but if the EE team don't want to lose Eliot Carrington then I'm sure they'll find a way... :wall:
Was it Lauren or Peter that Kathy had rung directly?
Lauren, though I can't imagine why she didn't call Peter directly.
Ok.. this makes no sense.... Doesn't both Peter and Christian know Steven is gay?? or did I miss something along the way... This is Steven Beale we are talking about??
Yes. I remember him being confused about his sexuality. He could be bisexual.
tammyy2j
31-05-2016, 14:48
I can't remember to be honest but I assume so.
Ian, Phil and Sharon were never likely to be found out and punished because realistically they'd be imprisoned (especially Phil for bribing the juror) and no producer would want to get rid of them. I did hope Jane at least would serve time, but it looks like her "punishment" is going to be the attack and its after-effects.
We don't even know yet if Bobby will be locked up! I can't see a way out of it for him but if the EE team don't want to lose Eliot Carrington then I'm sure they'll find a way... :wall:
Lauren, though I can't imagine why she didn't call Peter directly.
I think Phil and Jane especially should be punished legally
Bobby needs to be charged and sent to a young offenders home and help given to him
parkerman
31-05-2016, 14:51
I think Phil and Jane especially should be punished legally
And Ian.
Yes, I definitely agree they need to be punished. I just don't think realistically it's likely to happen.
tammyy2j
31-05-2016, 15:25
And Ian.
Could Max bring a civil case against him?
Could Max bring a civil case against him?
I suppose it's a possibility if it gets out that Ian and Jane knowingly allowed him to go to prison but there isn't enough evidence for a conviction.
Going by soapland relationships they will be having a couple of pints in the Vic a couple of weeks after Max returns to Albert Square :p
Going by soapland relationships they will be having a couple of pints in the Vic a couple of weeks after Max returns to Albert Square :p
max will be bed hopping with jane, sharon and kathy on his return :p
Going by soapland relationships they will be having a couple of pints in the Vic a couple of weeks after Max returns to Albert Square :p
max will be bed hopping with jane, sharon and kathy on his return :p
max will be bed hopping with jane, sharon and kathy on his return :p Before or after he had a few pints with Ian :p
Before or after he had a few pints with Ian :p
jane pint sharon pint kathy
Before or after he had a few pints with Ian :p
jane pint sharon pint kathy
and dot is back no mention of max
Rear window
31-05-2016, 21:17
Yes. I remember him being confused about his sexuality. He could be bisexual.
So it could be another Branning girl ditched by a bloke for a bloke?
Rear window
31-05-2016, 21:17
Yes. I remember him being confused about his sexuality. He could be bisexual.
So it could be another Branning girl ditched by a bloke for a bloke?
parkerman
31-05-2016, 22:45
Why was everyone so shocked that Bobby was charged with unlawful killing?
As we can't rely on Eastenders to actually get it right, does anyone know what would happen in real life now re-Max? Lauren was talking about an appeal, but surely what happens next wouldn't rely on Max appealing. Wouldn't the police or the court itself now intervene to get Max freed? I don't know exactly what would happen now, can anyone help?
Rear window
31-05-2016, 22:46
Why was everyone so shocked that Bobby was charged with unlawful killing?
As we can't rely on Eastenders to actually get it right, does anyone know what would happen in real life now re-Max? Lauren was talking about an appeal, but surely what happens next wouldn't rely on Max appealing. Wouldn't the police or the court itself now intervene to get Max freed? I don't know exactly what would happen now, can anyone help?
I would imagine someone just admitting they did something wasn't enough. Else you'd commit murder, get locked up and then get a mate to say they did it instead.
parkerman
31-05-2016, 23:29
I would imagine someone just admitting they did something wasn't enough. Else you'd commit murder, get locked up and then get a mate to say they did it instead.
But that's obviously not the situation we are in here. The "mate" would have to convince the police he did it and would be investigated. I think the police are satisfied that Bobby did it, meaning they now think Max didn't do it.
Rear window
31-05-2016, 23:35
But that's obviously not the situation we are in here. The \"mate\" would have to convince the police he did it and would be investigated. I think the police are satisfied that Bobby did it, meaning they now think Max didn't do it.
A court has to make the decision to let Max go. Just as a court has to make the decision to convict Bobby.
The police find evidence, pass it to the CPS and then they decide whether to prosecute, but still a court has to agree with the evidence proving guilt, or accepting his confession. He could change his mind by the time it gets to court and then they ahve to weigh up whether he was lying on his confession or now, backed obviously by evidence.
He might be able to get compo too.
https://www.gov.uk/claim-compensation-for-miscarriage-of-justice
There's lots of info about appealing and form ng that you need.
tammyy2j
01-06-2016, 13:25
Why was everyone so shocked that Bobby was charged with unlawful killing?
As we can't rely on Eastenders to actually get it right, does anyone know what would happen in real life now re-Max? Lauren was talking about an appeal, but surely what happens next wouldn't rely on Max appealing. Wouldn't the police or the court itself now intervene to get Max freed? I don't know exactly what would happen now, can anyone help?
I was expecting Stacey and Lauren to go to the police station demanding his release but more likely Keeble and Bryant will try and keep Max inside as long as possible as they dont like him
Bryant could be in trouble for not taking Lauren's statement that Bobby was the real killer seriously, she should report him
I am still shocked no one on the Square is talking about innocent Max and his rant about Bobby being the killer when he was caught and Jane's lies at his court case etc., even Dot keeping quite :angry:
I was expecting Stacey and Lauren to go to the police station demanding his release but more likely Keeble and Bryant will try and keep Max inside as long as possible as they dont like him
I don't think they can. Rear Window's correct as far as I know that it's in the hands of the court now.
I remember when Corrie's Peter (who was wrongly imprisoned for Tina's murder) was released within a couple of days of Rob being charged. There was a lot of talk among fans then of how unrealistic it was and that Peter would have had to appeal in reality (and that it could take some time). That's about as far as my knowledge extends though. :o
Remember too that Max was sentenced to an extra year because of his escape. I don't think that would automatically be cancelled just because his conviction for murder was overturned.
I enjoyed Abi and Lauren's talk. Nice to see Abi was shocked and disbelieving of Lauren's deceit. She does care that her father was wrongly convicted. Lauren's excuses were very lame though.
Ian again up for father of the year with the way he manhandled Steven out of the house... :wall:
storyseeker1
02-06-2016, 02:03
I don't think they can. Rear Window's correct as far as I know that it's in the hands of the court now.
I remember when Corrie's Peter (who was wrongly imprisoned for Tina's murder) was released within a couple of days of Rob being charged. There was a lot of talk among fans then of how unrealistic it was and that Peter would have had to appeal in reality (and that it could take some time). That's about as far as my knowledge extends though. :o
Remember too that Max was sentenced to an extra year because of his escape. I don't think that would automatically be cancelled just because his conviction for murder was overturned.
I enjoyed Abi and Lauren's talk. Nice to see Abi was shocked and disbelieving of Lauren's deceit. She does care that her father was wrongly convicted. Lauren's excuses were very lame though.
Ian again up for father of the year with the way he manhandled Steven out of the house... :wall:
I'm not sure, but he has already served that year. Since he's innocent of the murder, he only has to serve the year for escaping, which he has already done since he's been in prison for nearly a year now or at least several months.
I'm not sure, but he has already served that year. Since he's innocent of the murder, he only has to serve the year for escaping, which he has already done since he's been in prison for nearly a year now or at least several months.
Yes, I meant he might well have to serve out the rest of his time for the escape which could keep him in prison for a while longer yet.
parkerman
02-06-2016, 09:34
Thank you all, it's been an interesting discussion on what happens now with Max.
When I first asked the question it was really in relation to Lauren and Abi saying they would see Max about an appeal (or something like that) as I thought it couldn't be right that the process has to wait for Max to appeal if the police are now convinced that Bobby committed the murder and that therefore Max is innocent.
Having looked into this a bit further, my understanding of what happens now is that the police contact the CPS, who will have to take the matter back to court as, quite rightly it is for the court to make the final decision. However, as this could take some time, as long as the CPS are 100% convinced by the police that Max didn't do it, he should be allowed out on bail, pending a final decision by the court. To do otherwise would be grossly unfair on Max if everyone now knows he didn't do it. (This, of course, does not take account of the complication Dazzle raised about the extra year for escaping.)
Rear window
02-06-2016, 09:41
(This, of course, does not take account of the complication Dazzle raised about the extra year for escaping.)
If the charge was escaping lawful custody and it wasn't lawful custody cos the charges are dropped and the he is innocent then it can be dropped?
But then if he has misbehaved in prison too and got extra then how does that work?
I am sure the script planners have thought of a reason why he's not coming back until September.
parkerman
02-06-2016, 09:50
If the charge was escaping lawful custody and it wasn't lawful custody cos the charges are dropped and the he is innocent then it can be dropped?
But then if he has misbehaved in prison too and got extra then how does that work?
I am sure the script planners have thought of a reason why he's not coming back until September.
My guess would be re-the escape that, given the circumstances, although the charge would stand, they wouldn't keep him in custody because of it.
As for Max coming back. As I said above, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that when Max is released he doesn't come back to the Square straight away - I just wish I could find where! But that would mean he could be released any time between now and September!
tammyy2j
02-06-2016, 10:32
My guess would be re-the escape that, given the circumstances, although the charge would stand, they wouldn't keep him in custody because of it.
As for Max coming back. As I said above, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that when Max is released he doesn't come back to the Square straight away - I just wish I could find where! But that would mean he could be released any time between now and September!
I hope he goes to see Carol, Abi or Lauren should update her about his innocence
I would love Carol back for 1 or 2 episodes to tear strips off Ian and Jane
Looks like Ian has done a runner , if he gets stopped by the police or has an accident whilst disqualified let alone over the limit , term in prison Mr Beale. Maybe more by luck than judgement Bobby's earphones forgotten from his music player. Wouldn't let him near any cable ,high risk of self harm particularly with his state of mind. Looks very abandoned at the moment. Needs help and support, not desertion. imo.
Knowing Ian he's probably feeling suicidal again. As he says, he's lost everything he holds dear.
I really can't feel much sympathy for Bobby I'm afraid. Most of his feelings are saved for himself. The closest I've seen him come to tears was during Ian's visit to the detention centre.
I'm guessing Ian's desperation to bring Bobby home is more about keeping hold of Jane rather than anything else. He certainly doesn't seem comfortable in his son's presence any longer.
Agreed about the non sympathy for Bobby. Assuming Bobby's anger and violence issues can be treated long term with psychiatric help in a young offenders institute. I don't know but I guess some support in the process from Ian and or Jane would help in the rehabilitation. They've done nothing so far to sort their son out , except try to shield him and themselves from reality.
no sympathy for any of the beales
ian telling denise and mas don't believe what is in the paper, hello bobby confessed and was charged
no sympathy for any of the beales
ian telling denise and mas don't believe what is in the paper, hello bobby confessed and was charged
Why is Roxy in so much debt, do we know?
Abis sudden change of heart re Max, she abandoned him to save Ben and Lauren knew Bob did it. Cant see and I hope Max makes them pay a bit for their lack of loyalty all be it hes done worse.
Fishy Fred v Dona ...my munny is on Dona.
Why is Roxy in so much debt, do we know?
Abis sudden change of heart re Max, she abandoned him to save Ben and Lauren knew Bob did it. Cant see and I hope Max makes them pay a bit for their lack of loyalty all be it hes done worse.
Fishy Fred v Dona ...my munny is on Dona.
parkerman
03-06-2016, 22:40
I wonder why no-one at the sorting office has noticed that Mas's round takes twice as long as every other postman's. What with chatting in the shop or the pub and going home etc..........
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Donna's being unreasonable towards Buster and Lee. I'd like to smack the pair of smug gits around the face with a wet fish myself! :ninja:
Rear window
03-06-2016, 22:49
I wonder why no-one at the sorting office has noticed that Mas's round takes twice as long as every other postman's. What with chatting in the shop or the pub and going home etc..........
our postman stops chatting just up the road for ages sometimes.
donna asking super spermie kush for what he gave stacey :p
as bad as she is i find babe hilarious
kush likes roxy does he?
lauren concentrate on your own dad, let ian and kathy manage themselves
parkerman
06-06-2016, 23:50
lauren concentrate on your own dad, let ian and kathy manage themselves
Yes, Kathy was unbelievable tonight. Yes, yes, we know Ian and Jane had your dad banged up for something they knew he hadn't done, but you're a Beale now, you need to help them. :angry:
were peter and lauren married
That conversation Kathy had with Lauren justifying what was done to Max was bordering on the offensive because I felt as a viewer I was being treated like an idiot.
I know it's a soap so I try not to take it too seriously but words like that are really the writers justifying Ian and Jane's actions to the audience. As I've said before, I do have some limited sympathy for Ian and Jane making very bad decisions under extreme pressure (even though I abhor what they've done and agree they should be jailed for it). However, it feels to me like the writers are trying to persuade us that - objectively - what they did was acceptable because they were protecting their child and that's how any parent would behave. :angry:
Unless I've missed something, how does Denise know Ian allowed the innocent Max be convicted of killing Lucy? I thought nobody who wasn't party to the conspiracy was aware Bobby's parents knew he was the killer when Max was jailed. :searchme:
Anyway, however Denise knows, it was good to hear some condemnation of Max's predicament courtesy of the Beales. :clap:
I have a lot of sympathy for Donna and I kind of hope Vincent does agree to be her baby daddy after he gets over the shock. Since it was confirmed tonight that he was an adult when Claudette fostered Donna, I don't think the objection they were brought up as siblings applies in this case.
im still against vincent and donna having a kid together even as foster siblings late in life, they act like siblings very natural sibling banter and chemistry
im assume everyone knows jane and ian let max go down as they knew bobby was the killer all along except the inept police
im still against vincent and donna having a kid together even as foster siblings late in life, they act like siblings very natural sibling banter and chemistry
im assume everyone knows jane and ian let max go down as they knew bobby was the killer all along except the inept police
im assume everyone knows jane and ian let max go down as they knew bobby was the killer all along except the inept police
How would everyone know? Bobby hasn't admitted to anyone else's involvement and as far as I can remember Ian and Jane haven't been publicly implicated in any way. Maybe I've missed something? :searchme:
im still against vincent and donna having a kid together even as foster siblings late in life, they act like siblings very natural sibling banter and chemistry
I'm sure that will be Vincent's initial reaction, although he might possibly come around to the idea. However, the fact remains they're not brother and sister and weren't even brought up together. I'm sure there are real life couples who grew up treating each other as siblings but who later fell in love, married and had kids.
Although Donna and Vincent are not blood related any resultant offspring will be in a weird territory. Remember how thingy (the one that was stabbed) and Sharon copped it as they were deemed related by the community.
Babe is soaking up being vile, great actress great role. Les just needs to get her on vid admiting what she is doing and she would easily and then turn up in the Vic in a dress and out her as scum, job done. But alas Babe can get away with anything on this soap.
Luaren is dating ANOTHER Beale and wants to visit Max with a sibling who wanted to save her vile bloke over him and they are shocked he dosent want to see them!!
Could Cathy get more winney ?
Although Donna and Vincent are not blood related any resultant offspring will be in a weird territory. Remember how thingy (the one that was stabbed) and Sharon copped it as they were deemed related by the community.
Babe is soaking up being vile, great actress great role. Les just needs to get her on vid admiting what she is doing and she would easily and then turn up in the Vic in a dress and out her as scum, job done. But alas Babe can get away with anything on this soap.
Luaren is dating ANOTHER Beale and wants to visit Max with a sibling who wanted to save her vile bloke over him and they are shocked he dosent want to see them!!
Could Cathy get more winney ?
Although Donna and Vincent are not blood related any resultant offspring will be in a weird territory. Remember how thingy (the one that was stabbed) and Sharon copped it as they were deemed related by the community.
That's true about the child, though there's lots of non-traditional families around these days. Bullying of any resultant child would be my main concern if I was Donna.
tammyy2j
07-06-2016, 11:52
I am glad at least one person mentioned Max being set up by Ian and Jane, go Denise, I have no sympathy for Ian and Jane, why has Massod, Jane dumped him for Ian and also I dont remember Ian and Jane offering him or Shabham any condolences over the loss of her baby son :angry:
I assume this is now common knowledge to all around maybe Stacey blabbed as Lauren seems to still be keeping quite and concentrating on Beale family more than her own :angry:
I suppose Max's rant about Bobby being the real killer when he was caught is making residents think now
Why isn't Keeble investigating Ian and Jane for helping Bobby and keeping quite
I wish we would see more residents talking about the Beales cover up and killer Bobby
How would everyone know? Bobby hasn't admitted to anyone else's involvement and as far as I can remember Ian and Jane haven't been publicly implicated in any way. Maybe I've missed something? :searchme:
I'm sure that will be Vincent's initial reaction, although he might possibly come around to the idea. However, the fact remains they're not brother and sister and weren't even brought up together. I'm sure there are real life couples who grew up treating each other as siblings but who later fell in love, married and had kids.
yes how does denise know, maybe it was in the newspaper, im guessing now everyone knows the cover up as lauren back and stacey knows from martin
pam should call babe's bluff and say les was dressed up for fancy dress
well i think lauren is keeping quite her knowing bobby was killer as i would imagine stacey would a few choice words for her and worried more for ian still poor max
sorry donna wanting her foster brother to give her a baby is just wrong
les should let claudette handle babe
les should let claudette handle babe
Thought he was going to at one stage whilst they were chatting , but the moment passed. Sooner rather than later Babe is in for some major payback.
parkerman
07-06-2016, 23:36
Why is Stacey the only person on the Square who can see the real truth of the situation? She cares more for Max and the injustice than his own daughters do.
I'm glad Christine is being revisited. I thought for a while that was the last we'd seen of her.
It's disappointing that Pam - a former social worker who will have seen just about everything - is still just as anti-Christine after all this time. It doesn't ring true to me that such a nice and seemingly open-minded person in every other respect would force her husband to be unhappy. If she can't stand to be around Christine why not at least let her exist when there's no chance of them meeting?
Hopefully this is going to be addressed and remedied soon.
I agree Claudette would soon put a stop to Babe. I just don't understand such cruelty! I know we're all bemoaning Ian and Jane and what they've done to Max, but Babe taking such malicious pleasure in ruining lives is so much worse in my opinion.
storyseeker1
08-06-2016, 02:10
I'm glad Christine is being revisited. I thought for a while that was the last we'd seen of her.
It's disappointing that Pam - a former social worker who will have seen just about everything - is still just as anti-Christine after all this time. It doesn't ring true to me that such a nice and seemingly open-minded person in every other respect would force her husband to be unhappy. If she can't stand to be around Christine why not at least let her exist when there's no chance of them meeting?
I guess it's different when it happens to you or someone you're close to. Not a good excuse I know, but it's always different when you go through something like that yourself.
. I just don't understand such cruelty! I know we're all bemoaning Ian and Jane and what they've done to Max, but Babe taking such malicious pleasure in ruining lives is so much worse in my opinion.
Someone on the writing team knows a Babe, Babe wants the conflict,Babe needs the conflict, she wants the attention positive or negative. Babe has got away with everything so far, she delights in being cruel, she made a play for Les and he shot her down and this her pay back.
. I just don't understand such cruelty! I know we're all bemoaning Ian and Jane and what they've done to Max, but Babe taking such malicious pleasure in ruining lives is so much worse in my opinion.
Someone on the writing team knows a Babe, Babe wants the conflict,Babe needs the conflict, she wants the attention positive or negative. Babe has got away with everything so far, she delights in being cruel, she made a play for Les and he shot her down and this her pay back.
Someone on the writing team knows a Babe, Babe wants the conflict,Babe needs the conflict, she wants the attention positive or negative. Babe has got away with everything so far, she delights in being cruel, she made a play for Les and he shot her down and this her pay back.
I hadn't thought that one of the writers might know someone like Babe but it makes perfect sense! :eek:
She needs to get her comeuppance quickly because I'm starting to find this storyline too uncomfortable too watch. I can't abide deliberate cruelty. :angry:
Rear window
08-06-2016, 09:14
I thik Babe needs to be sorted out. She'll never be a nice person so she needs to be got rid of.
Would love to see Claudette deal with her. Or she could be collateral damage in a Gavin payback moment.
I guess it's different when it happens to you or someone you're close to. Not a good excuse I know, but it's always different when you go through something like that yourself.
That's true, and I accepted her initial reaction being so negative. However, it's the fact that many months later she hasn't even begun to soften her stance that doesn't ring true to me.
I thik Babe needs to be sorted out. She'll never be a nice person so she needs to be got rid of.
I wouldn't want to lose such a good actress as Annette, but Babe needs to be taught a lesson she won't forget to curb her cruel streak.
Claudette...... shes on another level of evil to Babe...Claudette invests years in her schemes, manipulating her soldier boy into doing her deeds and adopting others to make her look good.
Where babe might sell your baby Claudette would offer it as a sacrifice to the god Infotect (other gods are available)
tammyy2j
08-06-2016, 11:00
I'm glad Christine is being revisited. I thought for a while that was the last we'd seen of her.
It's disappointing that Pam - a former social worker who will have seen just about everything - is still just as anti-Christine after all this time. It doesn't ring true to me that such a nice and seemingly open-minded person in every other respect would force her husband to be unhappy. If she can't stand to be around Christine why not at least let her exist when there's no chance of them meeting?
Hopefully this is going to be addressed and remedied soon.
I agree Claudette would soon put a stop to Babe. I just don't understand such cruelty! I know we're all bemoaning Ian and Jane and what they've done to Max, but Babe taking such malicious pleasure in ruining lives is so much worse in my opinion.
I think Pam is worried about how the public will perceive her and Les when the Christine secret is exposed
Why is Ronnie pushing her sister who was nearly raped into another relationship with someone they barely know :angry:
Go Stacey telling Lauren the truth but not like she listens though
Why is Ronnie pushing her sister who was nearly raped into another relationship with someone they barely know :angry:
Ronnie was practically begging him to babysit Matthew after knowing him for five minutes, so pushing the vulnerable Roxy towards him is nothing! :p
Seriously though, the way creepy stalker Andy has been so enthusiastically invited (nay dragged) into their lives is awfully contrived. :wall:
tammyy2j
08-06-2016, 12:03
Are we ever going to discover what happened to Charlie, Matthew's dad?
Was that Bobby too :p
tammyy2j
08-06-2016, 12:03
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storyseeker1
08-06-2016, 12:46
Are we ever going to discover what happened to Charlie, Matthew's dad?
Was that Bobby too :p
He went to Ireland, but was too afraid of Ronnie to come back as I recall. Can't say I blame him.
tammyy2j
08-06-2016, 16:25
He went to Ireland, but was too afraid of Ronnie to come back as I recall. Can't say I blame him.
Really?
He went to Ireland, but was too afraid of Ronnie to come back as I recall. Can't say I blame him.
I swear he served me a Big Mac in Macdonalds last tuesday :ninja:
ronnie pushing roxy to andy the one boyfriend she wont kill but who could kill them :p
as bad as she is i like babe, great actress
ronnie pushing roxy to andy the one boyfriend she wont kill but who could kill them :p
as bad as she is i like babe, great actress
tammyy2j
09-06-2016, 14:15
I would like to see Roxy go in another direction instead of always chasing a man, concentrate on building the stalls up with Donna and getting Amy back, build friendships with Linda and Donna
Dean nearly raped her that has to have traumatised her
Ronnie herself a rape victim isn't very sympathetic and helpful pushing her to Andy :angry:
parkerman
09-06-2016, 16:12
I would like to see Roxy go in another direction instead of always chasing a man, concentrate on building the stalls up with Donna and getting Amy back, build friendships with Linda and Donna
Dean nearly raped her that has to have traumatised her
Ronnie herself a rape victim isn't very sympathetic and helpful pushing her to Andy :angry:
Talking of Ronnie and Roxy being rape victims, there are an awful lot of rape victims on the Square. As well as those two there's Kathy, Linda, Stacey, Kat....any more? And is this a realistic percentage?
tammyy2j
09-06-2016, 16:37
Talking of Ronnie and Roxy being rape victims, there are an awful lot of rape victims on the Square. As well as those two there's Kathy, Linda, Stacey, Kat....any more? And is this a realistic percentage?
Mo if she was around
The should form a support group at the centre
Talking of Ronnie and Roxy being rape victims, there are an awful lot of rape victims on the Square. As well as those two there's Kathy, Linda, Stacey, Kat....any more? And is this a realistic percentage?
Whitney... she was more groomed but can still be classed as rape
Talking of Ronnie and Roxy being rape victims, there are an awful lot of rape victims on the Square. As well as those two there's Kathy, Linda, Stacey, Kat....any more? And is this a realistic percentage?
Unfortunately, it's not as unrealistic as we might imagine. According to Rape Crisis:
1 in 5 women aged 16 - 59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16
There's currently about 30 women currently listed as regular characters (although the list on Wikipedia is somewhat out of date, I imagine the number of male/female characters is kept fairly constant). You've listed six victims of rape, and 6 out of 30 equates to 1 in 5. The Rape Crisis statistic encompasses other forms of sexual violence of course, but still the number of female sexual violence victims in the current EE cast is frighteningly close to reality.
Another statistic on that page is that only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police. This means that, unbeknown to us, we all know several victims of sexual violence that have kept it secret. :(
http://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php
parkerman
09-06-2016, 19:48
Thanks, Dazzle, that's very interesting. I was genuinely asking the question because I didn't know whether the number was about right. It seems it is, sadly.
why didn't mick want max in pub he is innocent
no happy family lauren
why didn't mick want max in pub he is innocent
no happy family lauren
parkerman
09-06-2016, 23:05
I'm with Max.:thumbsup:
I'm with Max.:thumbsup:
me too team INNOCENT max
I'm with Max.:thumbsup:
me too team INNOCENT max
A letter to Max instead of going to meet him was an idiotic idea! It would almost certainly feel to Max like they couldn't be bothered to turn up, and how would they know he'd even read the letter? Plus, expecting him to rock up at the Vic (where everyone would be gawping) as if he's just got back from a short trip... :wall:
Sorry, but I just don't believe Lauren would think for an instant that greeting her father like that after colluding in his imprisonment would win her any favours.
I think Vincent's treating Kim really badly. I know I'm not against him and Donna having a baby on the grounds they're foster siblings, but I am against in on the grounds it's hurting his wife. It would be totally unreasonable for anyone - whatever their situation - to suddenly inform their partner they're having a baby with someone else. :thumbsdow
How are we expected to believe Patrick would be so laid back about it? I'm not surprised about Claudette because she'll do anything to win Vincent back and doesn't give a toss about Kim's feelings.
Pam lecturing Les about letting Paul be himself...hypocrite much? :angry:
parkerman
10-06-2016, 13:03
Pam lecturing Les about letting Paul be himself...hypocrite much? :angry:
Yes, that's what this whole scenario of Paul & Ben at the car lot etc. was designed for though in typical Eastenders "we don't go in for subtle" approach.
I also thought it a bit unbelievable that a) Les would look through his bag during the day in the office when Pam could walk in any time and b) that he would change into Christine in the house when again Pam could walk in on him at any time, even though it was night time.
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