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Was the pudding from Max?
I'm pretty sure all three unexpected gifts of food (to Stacey, Sharon & Phil, and Ian & Jane) were from Max.
tammyy2j
26-12-2016, 00:26
What did Sharon get?
What did Sharon get?
I think it was Christmas crackers (not food as I said above :o).
did sharon forget her skirt
seriously what the hell does it matter to mick if max is back for good, his own son was just arrested for robbery
i hope max revenge plan is good, he needs to visit phil in hospital :p
I really enjoyed the delicious tension in the air due to Max's return - even though he appeared more than reasonable on the face of it. It was great to see Ian and Jane looking petrified and apologising and grovelling! :cheer:
I can't wait to see what Max has in store because I don't believe his forgiveness act for a second. There's a slight but definite air of menace about him to my mind. :D
i feel max is being made out as the villain despite being owed his revenge
i feel max is being made out as the villain despite being owed his revenge
I didn't get that impression and I know the majority of fans want him to punish Ian, Jane, Sharon and Phil so hopefully SOC won't portray him as a villain - at least not compared to those who had him locked up.
It may be that prison and despair has turned Max to the dark side though and that he'll generally be a more sinister presence on the square than he used to be.
I'm sure parkerman will be glad to hear that Winston had a line tonight. :cheer:
parkerman
26-12-2016, 22:35
I'm sure parkerman will be glad to hear that Winston had a line tonight. :cheer:
As Max was back, I decided to give EE a go tonight. But his return was overshadowed by Winston speaking. If that carries on I might consider becoming a regular viewer again.:thumbsup:
Mo Mouse
27-12-2016, 09:22
I loved the bit when Ashley turned up at the Vic when he forgot which soap he's in.
As Max was back, I decided to give EE a go tonight. But his return was overshadowed by Winston speaking. If that carries on I might consider becoming a regular viewer again.:thumbsup:
Leaving Winston aside (if you can :D), did you enjoy the episode?
parkerman
27-12-2016, 13:13
Leaving Winston aside (if you can :D), did you enjoy the episode?
I'm not sure, Dazzle. It was good to see Ian squirm but I still feel that he and Jane are being treated quite sympathetically at the moment. It still seems that Max is being treated as the villain. Stacey still seems to be very friendly with Max, in which case why has she been very good friends with Jane?
And, as someone who has watched on and off from the first episode, I can't get my head round a new Michelle!
But any more lines from Winston and I might stay.
I'm not sure, Dazzle. It was good to see Ian squirm but I still feel that he and Jane are being treated quite sympathetically at the moment. It still seems that Max is being treated as the villain. Stacey still seems to be very friendly with Max, in which case why has she been very good friends with Jane?
The answers to some of your questions only DTC knows I'm afraid! :thumbsdow
When SOC first took charge, I remember reading that he didn't approve of characters getting away with their crimes. I assume that's one of the reasons why Ronnie was axed.So at the moment I have faith that he will tie the story up as satisfactorily as possible given the difficult circumstances he's inherited (however, I also had faith in DTC at the beginning and look how well that turned out!).
I was heartened that at least Ian and Jane didn't even attempt to excuse their behaviour and that Ian even commented that Max would have got the death penalty a few decades ago.
dot telling max maybe getting sent to prison helped him, what was that, not christian of her
was abi ever angry at laurel, ian and jane, i don't seem to recall she was ever after truth came out
why is jack mad with max?
tarot cards what's next to predict ronnie roxy deaths
dot telling max maybe getting sent to prison helped him, what was that, not christian of her
was abi ever angry at laurel, ian and jane, i don't seem to recall she was ever after truth came out
why is jack mad with max?
tarot cards what's next to predict ronnie roxy deaths
I hate, what they have done to jack. He's been made to be so arrogant and judgmental.
parkerman
27-12-2016, 20:47
Saw tonight's as well. No Winston.....
In some ways I can understand Abi's anger but she did accuse Max of killing Lucy, so she hasn't got much to feel superior about.
Also why has she not shown any anger towards Ian and Jane who put both her and Max in that position?
Max is still being portrayed as a villain. I'm just hoping this maybe part of a long game, but I can't help feeling that if, in some way, he does exact revenge on Ian and Jane, he will still be seen as the villain. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I thought there were two very telling comments in tonight's episode.
First we had Jack referring to Max's "personality transplant" (a phrase much favoured by us soap fans :p). If he hadn't sent Ian and Jane the gift signed from Lucy I'd be thinking now that SOC has decided to draw a line under the whole thing (and the quicker the better). However, the gift along with Jack's comment and Max's tears when describing his state of mind after being released lead me to believe there's much more to come from Max. I don't really see him being portrayed as a villain; I see him being portrayed as still being treated unfairly (but I accept that's a subjective reading of the situation and possibly an incorrect one).
The second telling comment was from Aunt Sal (the square's new fortune teller) who said something asking the lines that Ronnie and Roxy can only exist together. That sounds very ominous to me... :eek:
nothing from shirley on george michael death, not even that him and heather are sharing careless whispers somewhere heavenly exotic
flappinfanny
27-12-2016, 23:10
As Max was back, I decided to give EE a go tonight. But his return was overshadowed by Winston speaking. If that carries on I might consider becoming a regular viewer again.:thumbsup:
:eek::eek::eek:
flappinfanny
27-12-2016, 23:12
i liked the scenes with Max and Dot. I had to smile both had been in the clink.
Good to see Aunt Sal again, I do like Anna Karen. Loved the ending, in the gutter where they belong. :D Nice touch crediting everybody who has been involved in the show off and on screen for 2016. I know Hollyoaks did this and Brookside always used to.
tammyy2j
27-12-2016, 23:54
I am enjoying Max's return and his scenes with Abi especially were good, Lorna is a great actress, she has grown up so much on the show
I like Aunt Sal too so enjoy her scenes
I don't understand Jack not trusting Max, even Ronnie was accepting of his return and she probably knows Phil helped send him down
Where is Ongar, Jack and Ronnie is making it sound like paradise and Roxy like it is so far away like Narnia :p
Where is Max staying, he seems to have money too, splashing out on drinks, but from where and also why is Max not drinking, looks to be on the orange juice?
parkerman
28-12-2016, 00:19
Where is Ongar, Jack and Ronnie is making it sound like paradise and Roxy like it is so far away like Narnia :p
It used to be at the end of the Central Line till London Transport (as it then was) closed the line from Epping to Ongar. Fortunately it was later re-opened by an enthusiast group.
The answers to some of your questions only DTC knows I'm afraid! :thumbsdow
When SOC first took charge, I remember reading that he didn't approve of characters getting away with their crimes. I assume that's one of the reasons why Ronnie was axed.So at the moment I have faith that he will tie the story up as satisfactorily as possible given the difficult circumstances he's inherited (however, I also had faith in DTC at the beginning and look how well that turned out!).
I was heartened that at least Ian and Jane didn't even attempt to excuse their behaviour and that Ian even commented that Max would have got the death penalty a few decades ago.
if soc does want to right the wrongs of dtc, not only beales and phil should be punished also the police as in summerhumps ex fella and footballer wives boss, a healthy phil behind bars with ian and jane a start, a new full investigation is needed
to me max is being made a villain with his revenge to garner sympathy for beales and phil, he is being treated like he is guilty by the square
i hope im wrong and there is a good justifiable outcome for max
Im an avid viewer but I have to admit to being totally confused.
Im an avid viewer but I have to admit to being totally confused.
What is it you're confused about?
oh stacey tell max tell the cops about phil tell marsbar
weasely ian wanting max gone again does he own the square
whose car was lee using?
oh stacey tell max tell the cops about phil tell marsbar
weasely ian wanting max gone again does he own the square
whose car was lee using?
parkerman
29-12-2016, 22:55
I'm still not sure I like the way this is going with Max. I hope it's all part of some long term plan by SOC.....
flappinfanny
29-12-2016, 23:12
I'm still not sure I like the way this is going with Max. I hope it's all part of some long term plan by SOC.....
You haven't watched another episode Parkerman? :cheer:
Can't resist it sorry its the Mrs Slocombe in me, Dot's pussy on the table. Not very hygienic. :eek:
Jenna Russell is really settling into the role of Michelle, really liking the way she is playing it.
Poor Lee, what a powerful ending. Wow.
Wow, what a powerful episode. So many issues being addressed.
Wow, what a powerful episode. So many issues being addressed.
I've just finished watching it and feel like I've been punched in the gut. :(
Lee feeling so lost and worthless that death was the better option; the woman who talked him down who it was implied had lost her own son to suicide; Roxy spinning out of control; and last but definitely not least disturbed Max torturing himself by burning himself with his cigarette! I wasn't expecting that! :eek:
The look on Phil's face said it all really: Max's "forgiveness" is far more unsettling than his righteous anger would be.
I believe Stacey (and to a lesser extent Roxy) were speaking for SOC and his team when expressing their sympathy and anger at Max's treatment tonight. I hope that goes some way to easing some forum members' minds on the subject. Max came across very sympathetically to me in that episode.
It was a very emotionally draining episode.
It was a very emotionally draining episode.
Lee's anguish was difficult to watch. :(
I've just finished watching it and feel like I've been punched in the gut. :(
Lee feeling so lost and worthless that death was the better option; the woman who talked him down who it was implied had lost her own son to suicide; Roxy spinning out of control; and last but definitely not least disturbed Max torturing himself by burning himself with his cigarette! I wasn't expecting that! :eek:
The look on Phil's face said it all really: Max's "forgiveness" is far more unsettling than his righteous anger would be.
I believe Stacey (and to a lesser extent Roxy) were speaking for SOC and his team when expressing their sympathy and anger at Max's treatment tonight. I hope that goes some way to easing some forum members' minds on the subject. Max came across very sympathetically to me in that episode.
dci jo masters from the bill aka parking lot attendant would like to see more of her, reminds me of kathy from corrie
is glenda and danny back for ronnie's wedding
max self harming with the cig burning was a shock
Danny must have a big part to play in whatever's coming next or they wouldn't have bothered recasting him.
Danny must have a big part to play in whatever's coming next or they wouldn't have bothered recasting him.
was that a new danny i thought he old fella with new hair cut shorter
Danny must have a big part to play in whatever's coming next or they wouldn't have bothered recasting him.
was that a new danny i thought he old fella with new hair cut shorter
was that a new danny i thought he old fella with new hair cut shorter
I could well be mistaken since we only had a very quick glimpse of him. I'll see if I can find out more.
You're correct lizann. The Radio Times confirms Danny is still being played by Liam Bergin, and I can just make him out in this photo of the scene:
http://images.radiotimes.com/namedimage/EastEnders__Danny_and_Glenda_Mitchell_return_to_th e_cast.jpg?quality=85&mode=crop&width=620&height=374&404=tv&url=/uploads/images/original/126936.jpg
parkerman
30-12-2016, 23:19
How come Shrimpy (or whatever his name is) is getting lines? Justice for Winston I say!
flappinfanny
30-12-2016, 23:38
A very good epsidoe to end 2016.
Lee was breaking my heart, superb performance from Danny Boy. Sally Rogers was amazing. I miss her so much on our screens and I also miss the Bill. A crazy decision by itv to scrap the show, I never understood why they did this?
Back to EastEnders, Steve McFadden and Jake Wood nailed it and the end scene with Max was a nice twist, self harm. EastEnders goes out on a high for 2016, a shame it won't get high ratings. :(
flappinfanny
31-12-2016, 11:34
I just hope the BBC keep hold of SOC and let his vision for the show run through and take no notice of Social Media.
I know the ratings recently put EastEnders as the third soap, but in terms of quality is a country mile ahead of Coronation Street. It makes a refreshing change that a soap is not bowing to the unintelligent.
I just hope the BBC keep hold of SOC and let his vision for the show run through and take no notice of Social Media.
I know the ratings recently put EastEnders as the third soap, but in terms of quality is a country mile ahead of Coronation Street. It makes a refreshing change that a soap is not bowing to the unintelligent.
Amen sister/brother* ! :bow: :clap: :cheer:
* delete as applicable :p
Mo Mouse
01-01-2017, 17:07
It's going to be a hugely enjoyable episode tonight seeing That Mentally Disturbed Child Kidnapper (and murderer) die a slow, painful, lonely death. A feeling of immense satisfaction.
flappinfanny
01-01-2017, 17:24
It's going to be a hugely enjoyable episode tonight seeing That Mentally Disturbed Child Kidnapper (and murderer) die a slow, painful, lonely death. A feeling of immense satisfaction.
What happens mo if its a hoax???? What if its the other one, Essex. :D
is it not pretty much confirmed both ronnie and roxy are dying just how is the mystery
Mo Mouse
01-01-2017, 17:38
That would be heartbreaking, ff. I'm not sure I could deal with it if she didn't die a painful death in a lonely, desolate place. It's got to happen though because Olive saw it in the cards.
well that was truly a pile of garbage exits no twist
will max get the blame for roxy drugs?
well that was truly a pile of garbage exits no twist
will max get the blame for roxy drugs?
Rear window
01-01-2017, 21:24
Well I've watched it. Not sad, silly. Who runs about on their wedding night like that?
I suppose the thought was, if a loved one is drowning, you wouldn't think twice about jumping in and trying to save them.
The end was too heavy on the visuals and I couldn't make out what was going on .. I gather that the Roxy is looking for next years Panto gigs but will Ron be joining her?
Anywho no Hotel in the universe is going to have unlocked access to the roof and a swimming pool.
Lee, sorry mate, there are two types of mentally ill people, those that hurt themselves and those that hurt others, the fact you now want to hurt yourself dosent negate the fact you hurt others to get to that point. Ok Lee has fessed up to his crime, but isnt that more about releasing his guilt than actually caring about those that have suffered. I mean it is a double hit on his younger brother who he hurt while fighting with his sister in the lounge that time.
Mick has a mess on his hands there, hand him into the Police and he may hang himself in a cell on remand, not to do so leaves an unstable member in your family who has proved he will do anything to get himself out of a hole. Its a quandary I wouldn't want.
did roxy drown as she was drunk or high or both?
mick as jack's best man wtf they know each other how long
poor max was going to get lucky after how long :p
did roxy drown as she was drunk or high or both?
mick as jack's best man wtf they know each other how long
poor max was going to get lucky after how long :p
I think Roxy was just drunk. Because they showed us, her putting the bag back. Cold water plus alcohol = shock I would imagine.
parkerman
01-01-2017, 22:45
will max get the blame for roxy drugs?
It was defintely Max's fault however he did it. I hope he's banged up for a long time so that nice Ian and Jane can get on with their lives.
tammyy2j
01-01-2017, 23:13
Well that was dark, it would have been better if the details had not been spoiler released weeks back
Roxy and Sharon were wearing black, did they predict an unhappy ending :p
Abi and Whitney dancing together, they are friends again?
Who was it Danny was eyeing up, was it Louise?
Roxy could have had a heart attack from her drug use
Roxy might have hit her head on the bottom or the edge of the pool. She was drunk but I don't think she was coked up.
Splashy - yes Ronnie's dead too.
It's a real shame the ending was leaked, but I think from the way the last 20 minutes was filmed with them teasing us that a catastrophe was going to occur, coupled with Ronnie's "the day I take advice from you will be my last" to Glenda, there was enough foreshadowing that we'd have already guessed that they were going in the pool and probably not exiting it alive.
I really enjoyed the episode on the whole. The Ronnie/Roxy will they/won't they ever stop going round in circles was as annoying as ever (part of the reason they were axed I'm sure) but the rest was enjoyable and pretty tense towards the end. I did think the Lee/Mick stuff would have been better left for another episode though.
I'll miss the Mitchell sisters, and Roxy was right - it's the end of an era. I must admit to a tear in my eye at that last shot of them together in death. :crying: :D
flappinfanny
02-01-2017, 00:50
A very well constructed episode, I loved the story telling of Cinderella, which was very apt, it was a brave decision by SOC to kill off both sisters. The ending was very clever and hit the spot. EastEnders is certainly firing on all cylinders right now.
A very well constructed episode, I loved the story telling of Cinderella, which was very apt, it was a brave decision by SOC to kill off both sisters. The ending was very clever and hit the spot. EastEnders is certainly firing on all cylinders right now.
I think my strongest memory of the episode (apart from the drowning itself) will be the Mitchell sisters back to their old joyous selves on the dance floor. What a pity for them they ever moved to miserable Albert Square where all the happiness was ground out of them. The Mitchells should have warned them never to step foot in Walford... :ninja:
A very well constructed episode, I loved the story telling of Cinderella, which was very apt, it was a brave decision by SOC to kill off both sisters. The ending was very clever and hit the spot. EastEnders is certainly firing on all cylinders right now.
how was cinderella apt, that has a happy ending for her and the prince or did i read a different cinders story
i thought archie's ring might have played a part in their deaths
does glenda and danny know stacey is archie killer?
how was cinderella apt, that has a happy ending for her and the prince or did i read a different cinders story
The spell wore off at midnight. :(
I guess Jack was the fairy godmother since it was him who waved his metaphorical magic wand :eek: that granted their wish of moving to Ongar together. :D
On a serious note, there's lots of parallels between Ronnie (a tragic figure abused by her family (Archie) who loses everything (Danielle and James) then finds fleeting happiness with her prince) and the many traditional versions of Cinderella stories that go back centuries. There were many references weaved into the episode - including Jack being referred to as Ronnie's handsome prince, the magical appearance of her carriage (the red car from Phil) and of course the breaking of the spell at midnight.
It was cleverly done and I must admit to not picking up on most of what I've mentioned until reading the views of other fans on the internet tonight.
I avoid spoilers so didnt see this coming, I found it very dark and confusing visually, especially at the end but then its not EEs fault that my peepers suck.
Loved the Grimm fairy tale reference although the owners of the Hotel may not thank them for that.
Also totally missed the Max and drugs bit!
stacey and michelle already clashing, add in max to their feud for clash of the fowlers
So did Roxy take drugs that night or not? Did Max supply the drugs? So confused.
Stacey should tell weird shorty hared Fowler to do one and if Martin dont like it he can go with her. A house guest does not tell you how long they are staying you tell them when the are leaving.
Honey was the only one really close to Ronnie, shame we didnt get her reaction, apart from Phil the others would be a bit more MEH about it.
Max just found the drugs in Roxy's bag. I don't think she had taken any that night.
tammyy2j
02-01-2017, 22:46
Roxy took drugs at the Christmas traders do at Beales then left with Danny and Glenda, were they her suppliers?
This was all the night before the wedding
I think she might have already earlier that day took more before the wedding and was going to take more that night before Ronnie interrupted her with Max so the drugs could show up in her system
Jay was involved with her selling drugs but does he know she also took them
I think Max took the drugs for fear his prints were on them and also to prevent more bad news to Jack and Amy of Roxy's drug addiction
I am curious about what happens now to baby Matthew, will Charlie return for him or does Jack keep him? Could Glenda or Dot try for him?
flappinfanny
02-01-2017, 23:12
how was cinderella apt, that has a happy ending for her and the prince or did i read a different cinders story
i thought archie's ring might have played a part in their deaths
does glenda and danny know stacey is archie killer?
Yes you must have :D :D :D However I do get your point.
I enjoyed the aftermath episode, especially the scenes with Dot and Max. Scott Maslen was excellent, his grief was so raw and felt real. When Sharon told Phil was a real choker.
I thought the Michelle scenes with Stacey and Martin broke the tension and were well played, nice touches mentioning Pauline. I can remember the Christmas meals at number 45 when the children sat on different tables to the adults. If there was any niggles in the episode, I can never remember Michelle being domesticated and cooking, that is not Michelle and also she wasn't overly close to Pauline as I recall. However love the actress Jenna Russell playing Michelle. Stacey was funny tonight the faces she was pulling.
I am just loving SOC's EastEnders, don't think I have mentioned it yet. :p
I was relieved when Max eventually got rid of the cocaine because I was on the edge of my seat all through the episode that the police or Jack were going to catch him with it and somehow blame him for the sisters' deaths.
Max just found the drugs in Roxy's bag. I don't think she had taken any that night.
I thought that too, but since the drugs Max found were given so much attention in Monday's episode I'm now wondering if she'd done some earlier in the day? I don't know how long cocaine stays in the system.
Honey was the only one really close to Ronnie, shame we didnt get her reaction, apart from Phil the others would be a bit more MEH about it.
I disagree. :p
I think the sudden deaths of two people who were so happy and in such tragic circumstances would be hugely shocking and very upsetting to anyone acquainted with them.
Yes you must have :D :D :D However I do get your point.
Thanks to being up very late last night with insomnia, I did quite a bit of reading about the Cinderella story. Variations have been around for centuries in many different cultures around the world (for example there are Far Eastern and Middle Eastern versions - including an Egyptian one where she marries the king of Egypt at the end).
Not all versions have happy endings: in some Cinderella meets a tragic fate. :( It's typical of EE that their version followed the latter course. :p
Rear window
03-01-2017, 13:04
I was relieved when Max eventually got rid of the cocaine because I was on the edge of my seat all through the episode that the police or Jack were going to catch him with it and somehow blame him for the sisters' deaths.
I couldn't believe he kept it for so long. All those bins out in the square. But responsible thing done, adding it to the capital's water system.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2014/may/12/cocaine-water-supply-pharmaceutical-compounds-contaminants
I disagree. :p
:moonie::moonie::D
I have to say I really dont like new Michelle, terrible hair, terrible character and a terrible actress. :ninja:
But then IMO the only one that can act in that family is Stacy, shes got more chemistry with Max than with that vacant plot of a husband.
did abi see max take the coke out at dot's house
I have to say I really dont like new Michelle, terrible hair, terrible character and a terrible actress. :ninja:
I feel neutral about her at the moment. I'm not against a recast and the actress is apparently good (though we've seen too little of her for me to form a judgement).
There's going to be a special episode on 12th January centred almost entirely around Sharon and Michelle when we'll apparently find out why the latter is back. I'm looking forward to the episode and hopefully I'll have a better sense of the new Michelle afterwards. I liked James Bye from the off and nowadays I accept him as Martin Fowler - but it took me a loooong time to do so.
Strange duff duff tonight.
I hope Roxy didn't have drugs in her system and that the investigation finds it was a tragic accident. I'd hate Roxy's legacy to be that she killed her sister. :(
I don't blame Mick for being furious at Lee (in fact I'm surprised he can be in the same room with him), but his continual snide comments along the lines of Lee not being man enough are adding to the problem. They need to have an in depth discussion about Lee's state of mind.
tammyy2j
03-01-2017, 21:34
:moonie::moonie::D
I have to say I really dont like new Michelle, terrible hair, terrible character and a terrible actress. :ninja:
But then IMO the only one that can act in that family is Stacy, shes got more chemistry with Max than with that vacant plot of a husband.
I like Stacey and new Martin as a couple, they work well together, Max and Stacey should be well done especially as Bradley is dead I think it would be so disrespectful of his memory
I like that Carol got a mention tonight, I was hoping she might come back for an some episodes
Mick is not handling the Lee situation very well and Whitney trying so hard to be the Carter matriarch is boring
flappinfanny
03-01-2017, 23:22
Nothing else to add really, I would have liked to have seen Mick Sort Oz out, my only niggle is that the Lee who came into the show as a solider would have knocked seven shades of you know what out of OZ and then gone back for more. Lee was a fighting machine. Apart from that a good episode.
how can mick afford to pay elaine's medical fees and lee's debts and ollie's medical fees
Nothing else to add really, I would have liked to have seen Mick Sort Oz out, my only niggle is that the Lee who came into the show as a solider would have knocked seven shades of you know what out of OZ and then gone back for more. Lee was a fighting machine. Apart from that a good episode.
It just goes to show how much Lee's mental health has deteriorated since leaving the army. Hopefully Mick will start questioning why this is after he's calmed down about the robbery.
It just goes to show how much Lee's mental health has deteriorated since leaving the army. Hopefully Mick will start questioning why this is after he's calmed down about the robbery.
i think stan's death and buster leaving has affected lee he was close to them i don't think getting with whitney helped him he wasn't ready to settle down
It just goes to show how much Lee's mental health has deteriorated since leaving the army. Hopefully Mick will start questioning why this is after he's calmed down about the robbery.
i think stan's death and buster leaving has affected lee he was close to them i don't think getting with whitney helped him he wasn't ready to settle down
parkerman
03-01-2017, 23:57
how can mick afford to pay elaine's medical fees and lee's debts and ollie's medical fees
He's cut Tracey's wages....
He's cut Tracey's wages....
that to pay the new nigella, aunty babe
He's cut Tracey's wages....
that to pay the new nigella, aunty babe
maryokane
04-01-2017, 11:00
The BBC's description for last night's episode was "one of the residents does the unthinkable". Anyone know what this refers to? I thought it might be another suicide attempt by Lee and wonder how the outcome will be for him.
The BBC's description for last night's episode was "one of the residents does the unthinkable". Anyone know what this refers to? I thought it might be another suicide attempt by Lee and wonder how the outcome will be for him.
I think it is Mick ... I presume he beat up Oz as he had bloodied knuckles ... would have liked to have seen that though
The BBC's description for last night's episode was "one of the residents does the unthinkable". Anyone know what this refers to? I thought it might be another suicide attempt by Lee and wonder how the outcome will be for him.
I think it is Mick ... I presume he beat up Oz as he had bloodied knuckles ... would have liked to have seen that though
I thought it might refer to Jack identifying Ronnie's body (which to me is more unthinkable than beating someone up). I don't think it'd refer to a suicide attempt by Lee if we we weren't shown him doing it during the episode.
I thought it might refer to Jack identifying Ronnie's body.
Seems to fit Dazzle. Lower down the scale for me , was Mick agreeing to Babe being in charge of the books . :wall:
Ruffed_lemur
04-01-2017, 16:58
I thought it might refer to Jack identifying Ronnie's body (which to me is more unthinkable than beating someone up). I don't think it'd refer to a suicide attempt by Lee if we we weren't shown him doing it during the episode.
I thought the same about Jack identifying Ronnie and Roxy. Also telling their children about their deaths too.
flappinfanny
04-01-2017, 23:25
that to pay the new nigella, aunty babe
More like Mrs Lovett. :D
flappinfanny
04-01-2017, 23:26
I did feel sorry for Donna, not knowing about Roxy.
parkerman
05-01-2017, 00:15
I did feel sorry for Donna, not knowing about Roxy.
I didn't understand why everyone was so reluctant to tell her.
I didn't understand why everyone was so reluctant to tell her.
Jack didn't want the whole square finding out yet (I think because the kids didn't know).
I did feel sorry for Donna, not knowing about Roxy.
their last interaction was arguing too
older people could have been told it wasn't like the kids are outside meeting them, they are being shielded by jack and family
it looks like no one in the vic knows and abi is working
I did feel sorry for Donna, not knowing about Roxy.
their last interaction was arguing too
older people could have been told it wasn't like the kids are outside meeting them, they are being shielded by jack and family
it looks like no one in the vic knows and abi is working
older people could have been told it wasn't like the kids are outside meeting them, they are being shielded by jack and family
It would be impossible for Jack to be certain he could keep the deaths from the kids once it was common knowledge - unless he was prepared to upset and confuse them further by banning them from communicating with their friends.
However, I think there was also an element of wanting to keep it quiet to make it feel less real. Now he's seen the bodies he can no longer deny to himself that Ronnie is gone.
yes as you say telling made it seem more real for jack but now after seeing the bodies it is
Rear window
05-01-2017, 11:54
Jack didn't want the whole square finding out yet (I think because the kids didn't know).
I thought the whole not telling the kids thing was silly. It was a horrid bit of the death story line.
I thought the whole not telling the kids thing was silly. It was a horrid bit of the death story line.
It was all about Jack's state of mind. He was in deep shock and not ready to deal with telling the kids since he couldn't quite believe it himself at the time.
However, both Max and Sharon were nagging him to tell them so we know that the writers didn't agree with keeping them in the dark.
why is shirley mad at glenda, is it for sleeping with phil
so jack and the kids are still leaving for onger
michelle working the allotment who writes this michelle a total different character from last one
is the lola's social worker visiting denise?
Who are they trying to kid that Vincent is unfit? :eek:
I liked Michelle and Martin's talk at the allotment - I find them very believable as siblings. She is very different, but it has been twenty years and my memory of her is pretty hazy, so it doesn't bother me too much at the moment. It's funny because when Martin was taking about Pauline and Arthur, it didn't occur to me that this Martin has never even shared any scenes with them. I never thought that would happen!
I laughed at the dramatic way Jack announced he's still moving to Ongar (which is fast reaching mythical status in my mind :D). I didn't like the way Max wasn't allowing him to grieve, although I know he was doing what he thought best. It was good to see Abi's warmth towards her dad.
I wonder if Scott Maslen is leaving? I don't find Jack likeable (although perhaps Ronnie's death will knock the arrogance out of him) so I don't personally care if he goes.
flappinfanny
05-01-2017, 23:29
As much as I love EastEnders nod to their glory days and ledge characters, Michelle is mentioning Pauline and Arthur a bit too much. I love Stacey getting wound up by Michelle. Can't wait for Stacey to pop.
Scott Maslen and Perry Fenwick were excellent tonight and Dot broke my heart again, she made it all make sense to the children with Roxy and Ronnie. I almost believed there was a heaven. I wonder if Jack is going to leave and go to Ongar? I wonder if Charlie will come back to claim his son?
Quite revolting but funny, the pigeon pie scenes in the Vic. Johnny did make me howl when he was about to throw up. Babe is now Mrs Lovett. The dressing up was quite funny. Johnny looked good in that dress. Linda Henry has a gift for comedy, her put downs and one liners are legendary, especially when at Babes expense.
All in all a good episode(s) although no matter how good EastEnders is right now, an Hour is too much for me in one sitting.
Yes, Stacey's barely controlled fury at Michelle's high-handedness and interference is very amusing. :D
Rear window
06-01-2017, 08:51
I wonder if Scott Maslen is leaving? I don't find Jack likeable (although perhaps Ronnie's death will knock the arrogance out of him) so I don't personally care if he goes.
One of the issues with them bumping off Ronnie and Roxie is now there is a big load of kids and a widow. And that requires different storylines. He can't be the centre of anything unless he remarries Honey and then that means there's even more kids.
Jack moving away is a natural consequence of his new wife being bumped off. IMO.
One of the issues with them bumping off Ronnie and Roxie is now there is a big load of kids and a widow. And that requires different storylines. He can't be the centre of anything unless he remarries Honey and then that means there's even more kids.
Jack moving away is a natural consequence of his new wife being bumped off. IMO.
Whilst this would be very natural in real life, soapland rarely follows those routes
jack to onger and max moves into ronnie's house with abi and Lauren
i see ian still dislikes and not trusts max and too right he is only innocent
jack to onger and max moves into ronnie's house with abi and Lauren
i see ian still dislikes and not trusts max and too right he is only innocent
tammyy2j
06-01-2017, 22:36
Scott Maslen as Jack is doing amazing, his grieve is so raw, you really feel for him
I think him leaving with all the three kids is best
Rear window
07-01-2017, 09:03
Whilst this would be very natural in real life, soapland rarely follows those routes
But story lines will be limited.. they couldn't dare insult fans by having him find new love any time soon. He's got a mountain of grief and kids to deal with. I don't think there's any property left near the square undeveloped for him to work on.
His is classic bystander now.
I don't really want to have to watch him being sad as well as Lee being sad for the next few months.
parkerman
07-01-2017, 09:52
they couldn't dare insult fans by having him find new love any time soon.
No comment! :ninja:
parkerman
08-01-2017, 00:24
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/eastenders-viewers-left-heartbroken-after-ian-beale-does-not-die-20170103119520
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
flappinfanny
08-01-2017, 12:21
I must admit it was nice having a soap free weekend starting on Friday. I wouldn't mind the BBC moving Friday's episode to Wednesday.
.thedailymash.co.uk..
That is hilarious, worth keeping a copy on the laptop for re-runs ,for the all too frequent times of Beale &Co. annoyance.:)
stacey over unburdening her problems to jane so wrong can they give her a friend her own age or who isn't a badun like beales
flappinfanny
09-01-2017, 23:46
I tried to look for the positives in tonight's offering, but I am struggling a bit to be honest. Jack (Scott Maslen) was very good, Mick was doing my head in a bit tonight. I found it quite a long boring 27 minutes. The Bex, Louise scenes were a bit cringey and who on earth says "A total toenail." ????
The only other bit I enjoyed was a smug Stacey thinking she had got rid of Michelle.
glenda was not shocked to hear jack say the heart attack was from roxy cocaine use
sharon heard
ronnie and roxy are still dead yes? only jack grieving so
sharon heard
ronnie and roxy are still dead yes? only jack grieving so
Only Jack visibly grieving so...
Only Jack visibly grieving so...
ben oggling johnny, billy and phil laughing so roxy and ronnie who
why did mitchells have to say goodbye to michelle only sharon on her own would do billy and honey don't know her neither does ben
Only Jack visibly grieving so...
good on mates vincent and mick throwing mick 40th birthday for jack as he only lost his wife
flappinfanny
11-01-2017, 00:27
Ronnie and Roxy who? Never heard of them. Well the Mitchell's obviously haven't!
A better episode tonight. I did enjoy the Johnny and Abi scenes in the kitchen. I had to smile at Mick and Vincent's run, it was a mega marathon. :D Not! The scene had a natural feel about it.
The end scene with Shirley and Denise was bang on. Excellent scripts and superb performances from Diane and Linda and what a duff duff. So much better when you don't know what is going to happen. Corrie take note, don't tell us everything before it happens.
Rear window
11-01-2017, 08:07
Ronnie and Roxy who? Never heard of them. Well the Mitchell's obviously haven't!
A better episode tonight. I did enjoy the Johnny and Abi scenes in the kitchen. I had to smile at Mick and Vincent's run, it was a mega marathon. :D Not! The scene had a natural feel about it.
The end scene with Shirley and Denise was bang on. Excellent scripts and superb performances from Diane and Linda and what a duff duff. So much better when you don't know what is going to happen. Corrie take note, don't tell us everything before it happens.
Mick and Vincent went out in daylight came back at night! How long were they running?
Loved the 'someone in the toilet listening' ending. Aww poor Sharon, and then Poor Shirley - her emotions about it being Phil's was good.
parkerman
11-01-2017, 09:48
Mick and Vincent went out in daylight came back at night! How long were they running?
Yes I thought that. A bit of a continuity error there.
Mick and Vincent went out in daylight came back at night! How long were they running?
Loved the 'someone in the toilet listening' ending. Aww poor Sharon, and then Poor Shirley - her emotions about it being Phil's was good.
Was not paying attention to what time of the day it might have been when they started off but if it was late afternoon, it could have turned dard quite quickly ... within 1/2 hour maybe
parkerman
11-01-2017, 12:37
Was not paying attention to what time of the day it might have been when they started off but if it was late afternoon, it could have turned dard quite quickly ... within 1/2 hour maybe
I don't think Mick would be capable of running for half an hour!
vincent is not upset over ronnie
phil and shirley did rob roxy so phil not cut up probably
vincent is not upset over ronnie
phil and shirley did rob roxy so phil not cut up probably
tammyy2j
11-01-2017, 22:17
Mick and Vincent went out in daylight came back at night! How long were they running?
Loved the 'someone in the toilet listening' ending. Aww poor Sharon, and then Poor Shirley - her emotions about it being Phil's was good.
Loved Shirley calling Phil a tart :lol:
Rear window
12-01-2017, 21:25
WE WERE ON A BREAK.
I have been giggling about this and wonder if the storyline plaNner is a friends fan.
tammyy2j
12-01-2017, 22:15
Where was Ian and all from his house, Michelle just let herself in :p
I wonder what Phil and Mick or anyone else who were quick to judge Jay now think of Michelle having a relationship with a 17 year old
I guess Michelle had to have seriously burnt her bridges to run back to the home she looked down on so much that she didn't even return for her mother's funeral. I thought she was going to say the boy was 15! :eek:
It was a good episode and I was particularly impressed with Letitia Dean. Michelle isn't anywhere near being Michelle Fowler to me yet but hopefully that'll change given time (as it did with Martin).
I'm happy Ethel Esquire made it home! :D
So Michelle said she had been seeing the bloke for a year or was it over a year, then when asked how old he was now, she said 17, was that 17 as he is now or when she hooked up with him? The later would mean he was 15 when their relationship started.
Cat owners always fight the annoyance of others feeding and trying to own their cats, I hope the real owner of Ethel fits a cat cam and finds out Dot is trying to steal their Kitty, the things probably micro chipped anyway, as feral cats do not come anywhere near being domestic ones.
Im not for glamourous types playing roles like in Dallas etc, but OMG Michelles hair cut is dreadful, if she is the incarnate of Pauline in the show please can they remember Pauline had some female allure about her, this lady is more masculine than Phil.
flappinfanny
12-01-2017, 23:40
I don't think Mick would be capable of running for half an hour!
:rotfl:
flappinfanny
12-01-2017, 23:42
My favourite line of the episode and had me laughing out loud was "I tan easily."
I enjoyed the episode, not quite a two hander but almost. I am biased because I am a fan of Jenna Russell, but I think she has fitted well into the role. Brave of Jenna to take on the role and brave of SOC to bring the character back.
Nice touches in the episode. like hanging the Apron on the back door. On the whole a good episode, the Dot scenes were a bit of a distraction and a little odd.
I know many on social media many are calling for SOC to be sacked and put his head on a stick in the tower of London. What made me smile was most of these oiks probably wern't even a sperm in 1985 and wouldn't know what Michelle was like and I am sure have never heard of Tony Holland or Julia Smith.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're going for Michelle morphing into Pauline. They certainly hinted at that. Maybe the short hair will go. I've seen photos of the actress with longer hair and she looks very attractive (not that I think she looks unattractive with short hair mind).
Michelle said she'd been with the boy a year so that would have made him 16 at the beginning. At least he wasn't underage but it's still a shocking abuse of power.
parkerman
12-01-2017, 23:49
Michelle said she'd been with the boy a year so that would have made him 16 at the beginning. At least he wasn't underage but it's still a shocking abuse of power.
"In Florida, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape."
Florida Statutory Rape Laws & Criminal Penalties | Criminal Law
So, in Florida, what she did is illegal.
"In Florida, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape."
Florida Statutory Rape Laws & Criminal Penalties | Criminal Law
So, in Florida, what she did is illegal.
So her bridges in the US are well and truly burned...
I thought Michelle's dialogue when trying to justify her behaviour was spot on. I've read several articles about female teachers having affairs with students over the years, and the excuses given are always variations of "but we were in luuurve...". Michelle's excuses sounded more to me like nothing more than the thrill of being wanted.
I've read a few online conversations about Michelle tonight and have been reminded that she was always dissatisfied with life and having ill judged relationships, so her current storyline would appear to be in character. Her story has come full circle since she's most famous for sleeping with a man in his forties at sixteen. I think the storyline has been well thought out - although it makes her very unsympathetic.
"In Florida, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape."
Florida Statutory Rape Laws & Criminal Penalties | Criminal Law
So, in Florida, what she did is illegal.
Also she was a teacher at the school, which makes it even more worse.
"In Florida, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape."
Florida Statutory Rape Laws & Criminal Penalties | Criminal Law
So, in Florida, what she did is illegal.
I think they should have had that more clear in the episode, as I've seen many people on facebook, a little confused as they didn't know.
Also she was a teacher at the school, which makes it even more worse.
I think they should have had that more clear in the episode, as I've seen many people on facebook, a little confused as they didn't know.
Also she was a teacher at the school, which makes it even more worse.
Hopefully the age of consent in Florida will be mentioned in future episodes.
Also she was a teacher at the school, which makes it even more worse.
was it mentioned before her going back to school, i don't remember old michelle being into studying did she finish school
Also she was a teacher at the school, which makes it even more worse.
was it mentioned before her going back to school, i don't remember old michelle being into studying did she finish school
was it mentioned before her going back to school, i don't remember old michelle being into studying did she finish school
Yes, I remember a big deal being made of the fact that Michelle went on to further eduction.
I felt sorry for Denise when she was holding her baby at the end of the episode. I can see both sides of the argument so I can understand why Denise's family are so upset (though I didn't like them pressuring her just after she'd given birth and was vulnerable).
flappinfanny
14-01-2017, 00:01
Diane Parish was amazing tonight and Tameka Epsom put in a good performance also. I enjoyed Whitney putting Babe in her place.
The only down side is all this Shaky/Bec stuff. It is like a bad episode of Grange Hill and Waterloo Rod with a touch of Hollyoaks. :moonie:
Diane Parish was amazing tonight and Tameka Epsom put in a good performance also. I enjoyed Whitney putting Babe in her place.
That was a great scene: I found watching Babe squirm highly enjoyable. :D
tammyy2j
15-01-2017, 00:16
Is it because of Phil, Denise does not want to keep the baby as she previously wanted Jordan, his son and also Libby's aborted baby
Ruffed_lemur
15-01-2017, 23:49
Is Sharon thinking of adopting Phil's baby? I guess the father would have some rights to do this.
Only if denise puts him on the birth certificate surely
parkerman
16-01-2017, 09:32
Only if denise puts him on the birth certificate surely
DNA test?
Possibly, there are a few ways to be put in after the fact, I think
i think glenda will want to take her 3 grankids
I'm probably misreading the signals, but in the final scenes did Phil go along with Denise's wishes ?
I'm probably misreading the signals, but in the final scenes did Phil go along with Denise's wishes ?
i thought so
I'm probably misreading the signals, but in the final scenes did Phil go along with Denise's wishes ?
i thought so
Ruffed_lemur
16-01-2017, 23:36
I'm probably misreading the signals, but in the final scenes did Phil go along with Denise's wishes ?
I think so, but it was a bit confusing after all he'd said. I quite liked the idea of him and Sharon having the baby.
parkerman
17-01-2017, 00:26
Yes, Denise had convinced him by telling him to think of the baby and not himself.
I also thought at the end that Phil had decided Denise was right. It looked to me like he was kissing his son goodbye. A very emotional episode... :crying:
(It'll be embarrassing if we're all wrong :p)
tammyy2j
17-01-2017, 13:58
I also thought at the end that Phil had decided Denise was right. It looked to me like he was kissing his son goodbye. A very emotional episode... :crying:
(It'll be embarrassing if we're all wrong :p)
Yes I also thought he was agreeing with Denise which I think is what Sharon wanted, I know she told Phil she would support him but I think she is happy enough with them and Denny
I do wonder will Louise and Ben find out they have a new sibling
Diane Parish always knocks it out of the park with the acting, a very good episode, but sad :(
If we're correct that Phil won't contest the adoption, and if nothing else stops it from happening, I'll be very pleased that SOC decided to take the least sensational but most affecting route for this storyline.
That's not to say another DTC wouldn't bring the kid back in the future of course (which was what happened with Rebecca Fowler). :p
Sharon Marshall more or less confirmed an adoption won't be happening. Whether that means Sharon and Phil will have the baby or Denise will change her mind I don't know.
Sharon Marshall more or less confirmed an adoption won't be happening. Whether that means Sharon and Phil will have the baby or Denise will change her mind I don't know.
I guess I should have known there's still plenty of time for things to go wrong - and that no EP would let a baby Mitchell go. :wall:
tammyy2j
17-01-2017, 16:24
Sharon Marshall more or less confirmed an adoption won't be happening. Whether that means Sharon and Phil will have the baby or Denise will change her mind I don't know.
Kim and Denise's mother do they try for the baby, even can they?
flappinfanny
17-01-2017, 23:09
The Shirley and Denise scenes were stand out brilliant.
Carmel do you call yourself a friend?
When the kids called Dots flee ridden cat 'Dave' for some reason I thought of "Only Fools." :D
The Babe/Mick scenes were a bit rinse and repeat.
Diane Parrish is doing really well in making Denise so sympathetic at the moment. I think she could have appeared harsh and soulless if being portrayed by a different actress.
I can understand that her friends and acquaintances are deeply shocked that Denise went into hospital and had a healthy baby but chose not to bring him home, but it would be nice if people like Carmel would at least listen to her reasons before making a judgment.
Phil's obviously not 100% sure he's made the correct decision. That's realistic in the circumstances of course, but in soapland the secret troubled look is usually foreshadowing something. :p
At least tammyy2j's above question about Denise's family being able to get custody has been answered. I didn't understand when Denise mentioned something along the lines of Phil taking the baby from the hospital. He's got absolutely no rights unless a court orders a DNA test, so could be done for kidnap if he took him. In fact, he'd have never even got near the baby without Denise's permission in real life.
For some reason I thought Babe had put cannabis in the coffee. :D
Rear window
18-01-2017, 09:02
Phil's obviously not 100% sure he's made the correct decision. That's realistic in the circumstances of course, but in soapland the secret troubled look is usually foreshadowing something. :p
I think this story is being done fairly gently and very well. Phil's look got me, he's not convinced, maybe he thinks Sharon doesn't want a baby.. or wouldn't want Denise's baby.
Babe needs to go. Is a tram going to fall on her and squash her with just her shoes sticking out? please!
For some reason I thought Babe had put cannabis in the coffee. :D
Did you see the hand of the rat handler? :D
http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/03/640x320/landscape-1484698236-ee.jpg
tammyy2j
18-01-2017, 10:55
I think this story is being done fairly gently and very well. Phil's look got me, he's not convinced, maybe he thinks Sharon doesn't want a baby.. or wouldn't want Denise's baby.
Babe needs to go. Is a tram going to fall on her and squash her with just her shoes sticking out? please!
As in a coloured baby? I wouldn't think Sharon racist but I do think she don't want the baby
parkerman
18-01-2017, 11:26
Babe is getting to be a complete joke in the same way Phelan is in Corrie. She can break the law with impunity it seems. Kidnapping, blackmail and now possibly poisoning the adult population of Albert Square and no-one does anything.
Mind you, no-one cares much about law-breakers in EE.
At least we know Babe is leaving soon. :cheer:
Did you see the hand of the rat handler? :D
http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/03/640x320/landscape-1484698236-ee.jpg
No, I didn't notice that. :lol:
Rear window
18-01-2017, 14:24
As in a coloured baby? I wouldn't think Sharon racist but I do think she don't want the baby
No, just the sadness when she spoke about not having another baby of her own, but it wasn't anything that's even been a thought before now really. If she'd been on the point of looking at infertility treatment last year (It's not been a hugely stable relationship, as they did nearly get divorced) then the longing might be more genuine, but it felt a bit 'oh well never mind'.. there are other options but Phil having been so ill, there weren't realistically options for anything else.
There's a lot of heartache for Denise if they take the baby...
All those future possible storylines that could happen when the baby comes back 17/18 years later... But they didn't do much with Grant's baby!
Rear window
18-01-2017, 14:24
As in a coloured baby? I wouldn't think Sharon racist but I do think she don't want the baby
No, just the sadness when she spoke about not having another baby of her own, but it wasn't anything that's even been a thought before now really. If she'd been on the point of looking at infertility treatment last year (It's not been a hugely stable relationship, as they did nearly get divorced) then the longing might be more genuine, but it felt a bit 'oh well never mind'.. there are other options but Phil having been so ill, there weren't realistically options for anything else.
There's a lot of heartache for Denise if they take the baby...
All those future possible storylines that could happen when the baby comes back 17/18 years later... But they didn't do much with Grant's baby!
All those future possible storylines that could happen when the baby comes back 17/18 years later... But they didn't do much with Grant's baby!
Got the feeling that with Michelle back now he will be back too before long
tammyy2j
18-01-2017, 15:58
Got the feeling that with Michelle back now he will be back too before long
Grant or Mark :p
Michelle should have returned around when Grant find out
Grant or Mark :p
Michelle should have returned around when Grant find out
or for her parents and brother deaths
Grant or Mark :p
Michelle should have returned around when Grant find out
or for her parents and brother deaths
tammyy2j
19-01-2017, 15:54
I don't think anyone would eat or drink in the pub or cafe again but of course they all will
Was expecting a Mick and Whitney kissing, duff duff. The level I've now dropped to with EE was paying more attention to see if Ronnie was motionless in the casket , rather than the emotion of the scene with Jack.
flappinfanny
20-01-2017, 00:00
Was expecting a Mick and Whitney kissing, duff duff. The level I've now dropped to with EE was paying more attention to see if Ronnie was motionless in the casket , rather than the emotion of the scene with Jack.
Did she smile?
I think Babe was spot on. Whitney is a selfish cow.
the carters treat whitney better than their kids and she still wants mick
It was quite a shock to see dead Ronnie (looking like Sleeping Beauty) in her casket.
I really enjoyed the scene between Phil and Michelle. It's good to know Phil Mitchell is capable of suffering survivor's guilt!
The scene between Denise and Kim was also very well played.
I wonder who Phil was speaking to at the end? It seemed to me to be someone significant.
As I've said before when this cropped up, given Whitney's past and that she's currently feeling vulnerable it's not at all surprising that she again appears to have subconsciously latched on to an older man who's very supportive and makes her feel safe. There's an awful lot of chemistry between Mick and Whitney, but I hope any romantic feelings stay strictly one-sided.
Rear window
20-01-2017, 09:07
Was expecting a Mick and Whitney kissing, duff duff. The level I've now dropped to with EE was paying more attention to see if Ronnie was motionless in the casket , rather than the emotion of the scene with Jack.
Poor Jack - he needn't have bothered acting as we were too busy watching to catch Ronnie moving! :)
The Whitney thing - why didn't she go to Staceys?
And who was Phil talking to? Denise? Grant?
Poor Jack - he needn't have bothered acting as we were too busy watching to catch Ronnie moving! :)
The Whitney thing - why didn't she go to Staceys?
And who was Phil talking to? Denise? Grant?
or go off to bianca
Poor Jack - he needn't have bothered acting as we were too busy watching to catch Ronnie moving! :)
The Whitney thing - why didn't she go to Staceys?
And who was Phil talking to? Denise? Grant?
or go off to bianca
parkerman
20-01-2017, 13:20
or go off to bianca
It was late at night.
Didn't think it was necessary to see Ronnie lying in the casket , added nothing to the scenes with Jack.
P.S Thought I detected a slight finger twitch from Ronnie on the distance shot with Jack :D
Is Babe going to see Whitney in her PJ's coming out of Mick & Linda's bedroom, hope not , that scenario has been done so many times before ...yawn
Rear window
20-01-2017, 16:02
Is Babe going to see Whitney in her PJ's coming out of Mick & Linda's bedroom, hope not , that scenario has been done so many times before ...yawn
Yes. What state is their spare room in that it wasn't easier to make the bed up in there than mess around with the sofa.
I'm just unhappy jack spoilt, the good dinosaur lol
Yes. What state is their spare room in that it wasn't easier to make the bed up in there than mess around with the sofa.
Absolutely , in 2009 the Vic had five bedrooms , who the hell is sleeping in those rooms.:)
It was late at night.
no taxis, or why not lauren or stacey
It was late at night.
no taxis, or why not lauren or stacey
parkerman
20-01-2017, 22:52
no taxis, or why not lauren or stacey
Milton Keynes by taxi???
flappinfanny
20-01-2017, 23:39
Glynis Barber was awful in those episodes and Aunt Sal (Anna Karen was amazing tonight.) Is Danny Dyer just going through the motions at the moment?
The scenes with Kim and Denise were excellent and its great to see a different side to Kim.
Having 2 episodes of EastEnders in one night is too much soap and becomes a chore to watch.
flappinfanny
20-01-2017, 23:40
Liked how Jack beat the crap out of Danny and Max was putting the tom sauce in his bacon sandwich. :D
Liked how Jack beat the crap out of Danny and Max was putting the tom sauce in his bacon sandwich. :D
i prefer brown sauce, prison has changed max but danny deserved a smack jack needed to vent
aunt sal is not mitchell or related to roxy and ronnie
Glynis Barber was awful in those episodes and Aunt Sal (Anna Karen was amazing tonight.) Is Danny Dyer just going through the motions at the moment?
I noticed that too and I usually find her pretty good. I do think the scene where Glenda shrieked about her babies when she first saw the hearse was written as deliberately over-the-top and false in order to prove Aunt Sal's accusation of attention seeking correct.
I wonder if Glenda will really stick around? I'm not convinced she really wants Matthew or to help bring up her grandkids. Could Danny's lame extortion attempt have been part of some scheme they cooked up between them? :hmm:
The scenes with Kim and Denise were excellent and its great to see a different side to Kim.
Agreed. It was a hard-hitting scene and was played very well.
Liked how Jack beat the crap out of Danny and Max was putting the tom sauce in his bacon sandwich. :D
That was an excellent scene because there were several different levels to it. It was shocking (in that the beating went on for long), amusing (Max's nonchalant ketchup application), and also gave us some much needed insight into Max's state of mind.
aunt sal is not mitchell or related to roxy and ronnie
Peggy looked on them as daughters though so Sal probably felt as if they were her nieces. I'm glad of any excuse to have Aunt Sal and her withering put-downs back. :D
I agree dazzle, I think Glenda and Danny are in it together as usual.
Ruffed_lemur
22-01-2017, 16:43
I wish someone would contact Charlie, Matthew's dad. He should at least know what's going on.
I wish someone would contact Charlie, Matthew's dad. He should at least know what's going on.
dot tried with yvonne he is alive vincent didn't kill him?
I wish someone would contact Charlie, Matthew's dad. He should at least know what's going on.
dot tried with yvonne he is alive vincent didn't kill him?
dot tried with yvonne he is alive vincent didn't kill him?
Yes, Dot has tried to contact Charlie to no avail.
Vincent just threatened him. We were teased he was dead for a while but it turned out to be untrue.
Dot also tried phoning him, before trying Yvonne.
tammyy2j
22-01-2017, 21:57
I agree dazzle, I think Glenda and Danny are in it together as usual.
I also think Glenda was in cohoots with Danny to get money from Jack
tammyy2j
22-01-2017, 21:58
dot tried with yvonne he is alive vincent didn't kill him?
I thought Roxy spoke to him by telephone but his wallet was shown in the rubbish
tammyy2j
22-01-2017, 22:00
Poor Jack - he needn't have bothered acting as we were too busy watching to catch Ronnie moving! :)
The Whitney thing - why didn't she go to Staceys?
And who was Phil talking to? Denise? Grant?
Whitney could have slept on the couch of the Carter living area or her and Lee's old room or Nancy's old room or Ollie's room
Or yes why not go to Stacey's, she is Lily's aunt or is Stacey only close with Jane these days :thumbsdow
Yes, Dot has tried to contact Charlie to no avail.
Vincent just threatened him. We were teased he was dead for a while but it turned out to be untrue.
he be better for matthew than glenda, did he and jack ever meet
Yes, Dot has tried to contact Charlie to no avail.
Vincent just threatened him. We were teased he was dead for a while but it turned out to be untrue.
he be better for matthew than glenda, did he and jack ever meet
Don't think they did. He was around after jack and left before jack came back.
this bully chap keegan will likely cause bus crash
this bully chap keegan will likely cause bus crash
I thought that was going to happen too.
I've been on several buses that went the wrong way. Luckily they didn't drive into any low bridges (although I've heard of that happening). :eek:
I wish I hadn't been forewarned that a bus was going to crash in the square this week. At least there are no spoilers for the aftermath. I'm intrigued as to how Billy/Jay and Tina/Shirley/Sylvie will be involved. Is anyone going to die? I wouldn't mind if Shakil was fatally wounded (and definitely hope his unpleasant friend Keegan is a goner!).
there has to be some fatalities
flappinfanny
24-01-2017, 00:25
The stunt was okay for EastEnders as they are not known for the quality of their stunts (fairground disaster) I am just not a fan of stunts in general, leave them to Hollyoaks and Emmerdale who are the masters of these.
I enjoyed the scenes with Billy and Jay and loved the scenes on the tube with Shirl, Tina and Sylvie. Whitney is really getting on my wick.
Is anyone going to snuff it, lets hope its Shaki and a few of the grange hill mob. I wonder if Dave will kark it?
The speed the bus was going, I doubt it would have kept going the way it did in reality but I agree, for EastEnders it was ok crash.
tammyy2j
24-01-2017, 11:44
there has to be some fatalities
Did the bus hit Martin, he was in the middle of the market talking about protesting, I think Donna was also
The deaths will probably be minor characters
I think Sylvie could die with a nice family photo left as remembrance
flappinfanny
24-01-2017, 15:26
I wonder if Mick is going to stay in the show long term? and whether Danny Dyer will stay the course? He is no longer the number 1 **** is he? Also The Carters are not SOC's pet project unlike his predecessor.
I wonder if Mick is going to stay in the show long term? and whether Danny Dyer will stay the course? He is no longer the number 1 **** is he? Also The Carters are not SOC's pet project unlike his predecessor.
Would not be surprised to see him take an extended break, if so, that pretty well closes down the Carter clan.
On a similar vein EE has put out what they refer to as a clue to the post accident aftermath. A 10 second clip , it shows the Queen Victoria bust on the Vic bar disintegrating. The main clue being in the title " Teaser" . Having said that we've been down this EE road before with false trails etc .eg. the so called short list of suspects for Lucy Beale's murder.
tammyy2j
24-01-2017, 16:10
Mick gave Max a free orange juice last night but still no apology for thinking he was murderer
Don't think they did. He was around after jack and left before jack came back.
related by marriage and both we were roxy and ronnie, they have common ground, could be friends :p
Pretty good episode tonight I thought.
max the hero
lee or whitney dead?
Or is it going to be a twist, that its just her phone under the bus.
Talking of phones, hope someone shoves Keegan's down his throat a.s.a.p.
Rear window
24-01-2017, 21:25
Talking of phones, hope someone shoves Keegan's down his throat a.s.a.p.
yes he needs sorting out, as does babe still.
Or is it going to be a twist, that its just her phone under the bus.
yes that could be it, no major character death
Or is it going to be a twist, that its just her phone under the bus.
yes that could be it, no major character death
flappinfanny
24-01-2017, 23:24
max the hero
lee or whitney dead?
I don't think it will be either?
flappinfanny
24-01-2017, 23:25
I loved the scenes on the tube with Shirl, Sylvie and Tina, it broke the tension nicely from the square. I am glad we didn't have the train coming off the tracks on the bridge. Not a fan of stunts, but the episode was well directed. I thought the beginning was very cinematic and cleverly done, something Hollyoaks do also with their stunts.
That Keegan is vile and a right chump. I think out of everybody, I was more upset at seeing Donna hurt and she was okay.
It makes me smile, apparently all the twitter brigade who were wanting to chop SOC head off are now saying EastEnders is the best thing since sliced bread. two faced or what!!!! All in all a very good effort, a shame the ratings will be dented because of the clash.
I don't think it will be either?
yes think no either now maybe kush dies delayed injuries
mick acting the big man let the heroics to max
I don't think it will be either?
yes think no either now maybe kush dies delayed injuries
mick acting the big man let the heroics to max
Rear window
25-01-2017, 09:13
yes that could be it, no major character death
So what's the plot purpose of the bus crash?
To sort Denise's sister out with her 'you're dead to me attitude'?
To make Denise think of what she's given up?
To give the council a reason for moving the market?
It's an expensive bit of filming unless it pushes storylines forward.
The lad with the phone needs sorting out though.
parkerman
25-01-2017, 09:37
At least Winston was ok!
parkerman
25-01-2017, 10:26
I've just been back to have another look and I still can't understand the sequence of events here. Billy and Jay were stuck in a traffic jam which seemed to clear and they started moving. Jay suddenly arrives back in Albert Square on his own - no Billy. It was then said that the emergency services were held up getting to the scene because of the traffic hold up.
I am very puzzled....:confused:
yes think no either now maybe kush dies delayed injuries
I had the feeling while watching last night that Kush might die.
So what's the plot purpose of the bus crash?
As you say in your post, there are many smaller storylines that will possibly start or be changed by the crash. If there's no big character death, I'd say the major fallout will be be Martin's injuries. I've got a feeling he's very seriously injured and that this is one of the reasons SOC decided to bring Michelle back now to help him (and his family) through it.
I've just been back to have another look and I still can't understand the sequence of events here. Billy and Jay were stuck in a traffic jam which seemed to clear and they started moving. Jay suddenly arrives back in Albert Square on his own - no Billy. It was then said that the emergency services were held up getting to the scene because of the traffic hold up.
I am very puzzled....:confused:
I might be wrong but while watching I thought Jay had got out of the van and ran back to the square after hearing about the accident.
parkerman
25-01-2017, 11:34
I might be wrong but while watching I thought Jay had got out of the van and ran back to the square after hearing about the accident.
I've just had another look and I can't see that. He just appears. Anyway, where was this traffic jam then if he was able to run back so quickly?
I've just had another look and I can't see that. He just appears. Anyway, where was this traffic jam then if he was able to run back so quickly?
Jay's sudden appearance in the square wasn't explained that I can recall but him running back is what made sense to me at the time. He and Billy were stopped right by the Olympic Stadium at one point but they'd moved on so ended up closer than that. They might have only been a five minute run away for someone young and fit.
tammyy2j
25-01-2017, 12:38
Jay's sudden appearance in the square wasn't explained that I can recall but him running back is what made sense to me at the time. He and Billy were stopped right by the Olympic Stadium at one point but they'd moved on so ended up closer than that. They might have only been a five minute run away for someone young and fit.
I think Jay and Billy were fighting as Billy texted a girl on behalf of Jay, I remember Billy's line of her being older :p so maybe Jay got out and walked back angry
While I did enjoy last night's episode, the phone recording made the tension more real I felt with the terror bus attacks, It felt too soon for a storyline like this, I know it wasn't terror related as I believe the bus driver had a heart attack but I think it was perhaps in bad taste
I did get a bit teary eyed at Martin and Stacey because I really like them together and hope Martin will be ok
It was good to see both Max and Jay who were ostracised now as heroes
Why did Stephen not want to help Martin, if he sees Ian as his father they are related
I think the lady who was frantic looking for her child with Honey, that her child is with Whitney who dropped the phone to save the child, I don't think Whitney or Lee is under the bus
I think Jay and Billy were fighting as Billy texted a girl on behalf of Jay, I remember Billy's line of her being older :p so maybe Jay got out and walked back angry
Yes that's a definite possibility.
While I did enjoy last night's episode, the phone recording made the tension more real I felt with the terror bus attacks, It felt too soon for a storyline like this, I know it wasn't terror related as I believe the bus driver had a heart attack but I think it was perhaps in bad taste
It would definitely have been in bad taste if the crash had been based on the Berlin attack as some are saying. However, it was planned months ago and almost certainly filmed before the terror attack happened. Also it was a truck in Berlin not a bus, and as you say the EE crash was an accident.
I'm sure the EE bosses would have made some changes if it had been possible.
Rear window
25-01-2017, 20:00
I managed to accidentally put audio description on as it started. Now that was really spooky!
I managed to accidentally put audio description on as it started. Now that was really spooky!
I've done that before, I wondered why my tv was talking to me lol
I managed to accidentally put audio description on as it started. Now that was really spooky!
I've done that before, I wondered why my tv was talking to me lol
still cant understand how mick could hear the phone over all the commotion
I had the feeling while watching last night that Kush might die.
As you say in your post, there are many smaller storylines that will possibly start or be changed by the crash. If there's no big character death, I'd say the major fallout will be be Martin's injuries. I've got a feeling he's very seriously injured and that this is one of the reasons SOC decided to bring Michelle back now to help him (and his family) through it.
bring michelle and max together
tammyy2j
26-01-2017, 11:39
It would definitely have been in bad taste if the crash had been based on the Berlin attack as some are saying. However, it was planned months ago and almost certainly filmed before the terror attack happened. Also it was a truck in Berlin not a bus, and as you say the EE crash was an accident.
I'm sure the EE bosses would have made some changes if it had been possible.
I know both the Nice and Berlin attacks were with lorries but I felt that it was too soon to this storyline, this is still raw for many people these attacks so I can understand the complaints even though this bus crash was because of the driver had a heart attack
This is just my opinion on it and I hope they is good reason for this disaster with future storylines
I know both the Nice and Berlin attacks were with lorries but I felt that it was too soon to this storyline, this is still raw for many people these attacks so I can understand the complaints even though this bus crash was because of the driver had a heart attack
This is just my opinion on it and I hope they is good reason for this disaster with future storylines
It's very unfortunate that the EE's bus crash bears some similarity to the terror attacks you mention. Some people are also complaining that it's very like what happened in Glasgow three years ago when a bin lorry mounted a pavement and killed some people (I think in that case the driver was also unwell). I would imagine if the EE team took any inspiration from a real crash it was from the latter. They were almost certainly inspired by the real incident that happened in London in 2015 when a crowd of passers by lifted a bus under which a cyclist was trapped:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/incredible-moment-crowd-of-bystanders-lift-bus-to-free-trapped-cyclist-in-walthamstow-10283901.html
The director of the episodes has said they wanted to do something which would affect and unite the whole community so that was the thinking behind it.
tammyy2j
26-01-2017, 14:14
It's very unfortunate that the EE's bus crash bears some similarity to the terror attacks you mention. Some people are also complaining that it's very like what happened in Glasgow three years ago when a bin lorry mounted a pavement and killed some people (I think in that case the driver was also unwell). I would imagine if the EE team took any inspiration from a real crash it was from the latter. They were almost certainly inspired by the real incident that happened in London in 2015 when a crowd of passers by lifted a bus under which a cyclist was trapped:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/incredible-moment-crowd-of-bystanders-lift-bus-to-free-trapped-cyclist-in-walthamstow-10283901.html (\"http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/incredible-moment-crowd-of-bystanders-lift-bus-to-free-trapped-cyclist-in-walthamstow-10283901.html\")
The director of the episodes has said they wanted to do something which would affect and unite the whole community so that was the thinking behind it.
Max and Jay back in the fold as heroes
so what is the deal with max, after all the businesses starting with the pub
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