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I must have got it wrong ,you guys don't normally miss things,...:p I do frequently...:)
No, I think you're right Glen. I do vaguely remember it now you've reminded me. :)
doll house wars is only decent storyline for me
lloyd drinks too many classes of whiskey or brandy for someone who had a heart attack
doll house wars is only decent storyline for me
lloyd drinks too many classes of whiskey or brandy for someone who had a heart attack
Its odd how he has been written out when celebrity get me out of here has long gone. They must film way in advance.
parkerman
25-12-2014, 13:37
It's about 2-3 months isn't it?
It started mid November and finished end of first week of December.
parkerman
25-12-2014, 14:02
Apparently they normally film six weeks in advance but it can be anything up to three months, if, for example, they know an actor is leaving or going off on leave of absence.
can gary not get any unemployment allowance/dole?
Think you need to have worked for a certain time to be entitled
Think you need to have worked for a certain time to be entitled
bad xmas episode and damn kylie didn't put up much of a fight for her kids and david she just went off with callum in the end
parkerman
25-12-2014, 22:21
Absolutely, lizann. David can't just throw her out and tell her to say goodbye to the kids. What would have happened if she refused to go, or go and take the kids with her? Another case of a soap woman just rolling over?
Not knowing how a drug addict feels myself, but aren't there a lot of criminal acts performed by drug addicts that they would never do if they were not hooked on the stuff? Is it possible that her actions are so unlike from her because of the addiction?
She probablt thought they were all better off without her. She must love her kids to do that
parkerman
26-12-2014, 13:45
It didn't look that way when she was saying goodbye to Max or pleading with David to let her stay.
Don't know why she left then. She normally puts up an argument
I kind of agree with all of you about Kylie's behaviour upon leaving David and the kids. There's no clear cut reason I can see, and yes, it's disappointing yet again that a woman rolls over for the men in a soap, Parkerman.
I can understand why she left David - she knew that she'd had her last chance with him and that he'd never believe another word she said. What made less sense is that she'd leave her kids (and I bet she won't even contact them while she's away) or go off with scumbag Callum. Also, David called it his house but as far as I'm aware it's owned jointly by both of them so he had no right to chuck her out.
I saw a woman with no fight left in her, but the writers could have at least left her with a shred of dignity in the end by telling Callum to go to hell when he pulled up in his car. :wall:
I found the episode otherwise enjoyable though not exceptional. The scene where Sally and the girls tricked Tim and Kevin into thinking they'd eaten the Christmas dinner was amusing and ultimately heartwarming.
I would be looking forward to tonight's episode but from what I read in the Radio Times (who managed to spoil nearly the whole plot :angry:), it sounds pretty grim. :(
tammyy2j
26-12-2014, 21:20
Nice to see the old Leanne back and her and Carla sticking up for Roy
Gary the idiot robbing his mother's work place
tammyy2j
26-12-2014, 21:20
Kylie could have gone and stayed with Becky or Eva or at least telephoned Eva or Gail to see how the kids were
parkerman
26-12-2014, 21:38
Kylie could have gone and stayed with Becky....
Isn't Becky in Barbados?
tammyy2j
26-12-2014, 21:41
Isn't Becky in Barbados?
Not sure where exactly just that it is abroad
Or she could have signed herself into rehab facility not just leave with Callum
maidmarian
26-12-2014, 21:43
Kylie could have gone and stayed with Becky or Eva or at least telephoned Eva or Gail to see how the kids were
Yes thats so. It must be difficult to write out
a character when they coming back in a few
months.
But this storyline has been done for "drama"
and is ill-thought out &unrealistic in many ways
and has made characters unnecessarily
unpleasant.
Even the old faithful"going to visit relative"
plot tho repititous would have been preferable.
maidmarian
26-12-2014, 21:43
Kylie could have gone and stayed with Becky or Eva or at least telephoned Eva or Gail to see how the kids were
Yes thats so. It must be difficult to write out
a character when they coming back in a few
months.
But this storyline has been done for "drama"
and is ill-thought out &unrealistic in many ways
and has made characters unnecessarily
unpleasant.
Even the old faithful"going to visit relative"
plot tho repititous would have been preferable.
I think the Tim and Kevin pairing is very clever
Its the first time I thought sinead was a good actress
Not knowing how a drug addict feels myself, but aren't there a lot of criminal acts performed by drug addicts that they would never do if they were not hooked on the stuff? Is it possible that her actions are so unlike from her because of the addiction?
she is off the gear now and she didn't even put up a fight for her family, selfish cow no need for her to return, david and kids better without her
Its the first time I thought sinead was a good actress
her giving evidence against roy will cause problems with ches now
never knew she was even friends with gary was that there first scene together
where is carla and gail flying off too?
Its the first time I thought sinead was a good actress
her giving evidence against roy will cause problems with ches now
never knew she was even friends with gary was that there first scene together
where is carla and gail flying off too?
parkerman
26-12-2014, 23:41
Carla's going to L.A., Gail's going to see Sarah Louise.
never knew she was even friends with gary was that there first scene together
I don't think they're friends.
Poor Roy! :(
I was surprised by how prolonged the beating was that he gave Gary as it seemed out of character. As Chesney said, he must have felt very threatened (and of course was extremely stressed because of missing Hayley). How will he cope in jail?
I thought it was totally unnecessary for Sinead to tell everyone that Roy's attack was vicious (or words to that effect). She knows him well by now and surely realises that there were extenuating circumstances. OK, she she was right to have told the police the truth, but she seemed to go out of her way to portray the usually decent Roy in as bad a light as possible! :angry:
David's self pity is getting on my nerves and, more annoyingly, he wasn't at all bothered when Eva told him that Callum's dangerous.
Sally's stinky house... :rotfl:
Corrie is doing it again..turning the whole street against one person-and that person being Roy!!! Is this a joke?? Gary is the most annoying character-always been, and everyone should know by now all the things he's done to his family!! Anna is always behaving like she some sort of victim and always wrapping Gary in cotton wool. He's never learned to take any sort of responsibility. And Sinead then-another annoying baby face. Roy would have never done that-only that he had had enough of those youths and thought it was one of them in the cafe! This highlights what happens in reality when vulnerable people are pushed too far protecting their own homes! Anyone can easily end up in prison. I just hope they don't drag this on for too long.. I surely hope that Gary will take all the responsibility, Anna would just shut up and move on, and those youths would be arrested (or Roy could end up becoming friends with them..something else than this anyway..) and Roy would get peace to get on with his life. Please write some nice storylines for Roy. My fear is that this will drag on..Roy will find it hard to forget what he's done etc...yawn.... Windasses living in that small flat is ridiculous! Sally and Tim and Kevin are the best at the moment..Corrie has gone downhill a bit..
parkerman
27-12-2014, 10:57
Corrie is doing it again..turning the whole street against one person-and that person being Roy!!! Is this a joke??
Sinead is the only person who has criticised Roy and that's because she saw what happened. Anna and Owen accepted that Gary had been trying to steal money. Ches immediately came to Roy's defence. So where is this "whole street" that is against Roy?
Sinead is the only person who has criticised Roy and that's because she saw what happened. Anna and Owen accepted that Gary had been trying to steal money. Ches immediately came to Roy's defence. So where is this "whole street" that is against Roy?
I have to agree that so far only Sinead has turned against Roy, but I am a bit worried about what'll happen next.
I want Roy to find some happiness now.
Yes, she is
To whom are you referring, Perdy? :)
Sinead is the only person who has criticised Roy and that's because she saw what happened. Anna and Owen accepted that Gary had been trying to steal money. Ches immediately came to Roy's defence. So where is this "whole street" that is against Roy?
This always happens in Corrie-so just wait&see. It's not happening as strongly this time, but Anna don't know the whole truth yet about beating so she will be against Roy when she hears I bet. My only hope is Gary that he actually takes responsibility and explains everyone what REALLY happened. Doesn't look good though as he didn't want to see anyone in hospital.(nothing to do with injuries or shock in his case! ) I just fear this whole storyline with Roy&'youths' never ends....
Sinead is the only person who has criticised Roy and that's because she saw what happened. Anna and Owen accepted that Gary had been trying to steal money. Ches immediately came to Roy's defence. So where is this "whole street" that is against Roy?
This always happens in Corrie-so just wait&see. It's not happening as strongly this time, but Anna don't know the whole truth yet about beating so she will be against Roy when she hears I bet. My only hope is Gary that he actually takes responsibility and explains everyone what REALLY happened. Doesn't look good though as he didn't want to see anyone in hospital.(nothing to do with injuries or shock in his case! ) I just fear this whole storyline with Roy&'youths' never ends....
Well-I know Carla will be on Roy's side..always.
Sinead can only go what she saw. It was horrific from where she was standing. She stopped Roy beating him further i think by calming him down as he was obviously really scared and not on his normal state. I hope them young louts dont ever come back to coronation street and that Roy has some peace and happiness in his life. if Roy had been thinking straight he would have called the police from upstairs. But when your in that sort of situation you dont think . Gary was in the wrong. I think Anna should not be hard on Roy. How can you rob your friends.
You could see that Chesney wasn't happy with Sinead but she could only say what she saw.
Do feel sorry for poor Roy though! Hope this story with the youths disappears soon I don't like it. Wait till Carla finds out about Gary she will hit the roof!!
You could see that Chesney wasn't happy with Sinead but she could only say what she saw.
Do feel sorry for poor Roy though! Hope this story with the youths disappears soon I don't like it. Wait till Carla finds out about Gary she will hit the roof!!
anna against roy even though gary was robbing him
so sick now of steve's "depression" storyline if you can even call it that and go away andrea
leanne and fake gavin have good chemistry
anna against roy even though gary was robbing him
so sick now of steve's "depression" storyline if you can even call it that and go away andrea
leanne and fake gavin have good chemistry
Everyone's on Roy side but Anna (and Sinead of course). If Gary can forgive him, why can't she?
I'm getting fed up of Owen's nastiness to Gary. Can't he see that his attitude helped drive Gary to steal (not that it excuses Gary though)? I wonder that Anna's so forgiving of Owen but not Roy. :searchme:
Steve cooking the books is not good!
I like Leanne in the bistro. It's about time the character was given something decent to do again.
I too feel Owen is going out of his way to have a go at Gary... even in hospital he is giving him a hard time.... Gary feels bad enough about everything and breaking Faye's headphones. I wonder if this will escalate to Owen and Anna breaking up and thus giving Owen his exit storyline? :hmm:
I too feel Owen is going out of his way to have a go at Gary... even in hospital he is giving him a hard time.... Gary feels bad enough about everything and breaking Faye's headphones. I wonder if this will escalate to Owen and Anna breaking up and thus giving Owen his exit storyline? :hmm:
I think you're right. Characters are often changed to facilitate exits - Kylie being a recent example.It's annoying for us viewers though, especially when characters like Owen have seen a lot of growth. He used to be nasty when he first appeared but changed on getting together with Anna. There doesn't seem to have been a reasonable explanation for his going backwards again.
parkerman
30-12-2014, 11:18
I think you're right. Characters are often changed to facilitate exits - Kylie being a recent example.It's annoying for us viewers though, especially when characters like Owen have seen a lot of growth. He used to be nasty when he first appeared but changed on getting together with Anna. There doesn't seem to have been a reasonable explanation for his going backwards again.
Although Owen has changed over the course of his time on the Street, the old Owen has always been there simmering under the surface. I think what really did it this time was the way he perceived Gary treating his daughter, Izzy. We know that what happened was really Izzy's misreading of the situation, nevertheless she was hurt and Owen blames Gary.
Anna blaming Roy and Owen blaming Gary both come down to parents loving and protecting their children. See Shirley in Eastenders for another example. And which of us, who are parents, can say we wouldn't act in the same way when our children are involved?
Anna blaming Roy and Owen blaming Gary both come down to parents loving and protecting their children. See Shirley in Eastenders for another example. And which of us, who are parents, can say we wouldn't act in the same way when our children are involved?
Yeah, I absolutely agree about parents taking their children's sides. It's just that Owen's unpleasantness has turned into a campaign of bullying that would be more suited to an enemy like Phelan rather than Anna's son (even if Izzy was recently inadvertently hurt by him). I can't understand why Anna's going along with it either.
Anna blaming Roy for the attack is more understandable to me, but I think she'll forgive Roy eventually.
(As for Shirley in EE, it's in character for her to be obnoxious, but I do understand why she's taken Dean's side - even though he makes my skin crawl!)
Snagglepus
30-12-2014, 11:49
So Phelan got away with all he did, I was expecting some "comeuppance" storyline in that saga.
So Phelan got away with all he did, I was expecting some "comeuppance" storyline in that saga.
I know, that storyline fizzled out rather limply didn't it?
Although Owen has changed over the course of his time on the Street, the old Owen has always been there simmering under the surface. I think what really did it this time was the way he perceived Gary treating his daughter, Izzy. We know that what happened was really Izzy's misreading of the situation, nevertheless she was hurt and Owen blames Gary.
Anna blaming Roy and Owen blaming Gary both come down to parents loving and protecting their children. See Shirley in Eastenders for another example. And which of us, who are parents, can say we wouldn't act in the same way when our children are involved?
I would like to think that after the initial anger of seeing my daughter hurt, the fact that Gary never intended to upset her would make me leave Gary alone and focus on support Izzy. Anna is still in shock and I guess also a bit embarrassed that Gary actually was going to steal from Roy and stunned by the violence used by Roy making it easier to shift the blame .... I just hope she tells Owen to stop taunting Gary as it surely is not helping anyone ..
Although Owen has changed over the course of his time on the Street, the old Owen has always been there simmering under the surface. I think what really did it this time was the way he perceived Gary treating his daughter, Izzy. We know that what happened was really Izzy's misreading of the situation, nevertheless she was hurt and Owen blames Gary.
Anna blaming Roy and Owen blaming Gary both come down to parents loving and protecting their children. See Shirley in Eastenders for another example. And which of us, who are parents, can say we wouldn't act in the same way when our children are involved?
I would like to think that after the initial anger of seeing my daughter hurt, the fact that Gary never intended to upset her would make me leave Gary alone and focus on support Izzy. Anna is still in shock and I guess also a bit embarrassed that Gary actually was going to steal from Roy and stunned by the violence used by Roy making it easier to shift the blame .... I just hope she tells Owen to stop taunting Gary as it surely is not helping anyone ..
I just hope she tells Owen to stop taunting Gary as it surely is not helping anyone ..
I find it a complete mystery why she allows this to happen. As Parkerman says, it's natural to jump to the defence of your children, and Anna certainly has a long history of doing just that, so why is she ignoring Owen's bullying and belittling of Gary? It doesn't make any sense... :searchme:
I can fully understand Owen. He finds it hard to forgive Gary for what he's done to the whole family. Because of his stupidity, they fell in financial difficulties and ended up losing their home as well. Gary is nothing but bad news-anything he touches he ruins. I for one find it very hard to like Gary's character as well and would be more than happy to see him gone.
The whole storyline with Roy is strange..If Gary takes the full responsibility, in the real life the police would leave it to that. Or they would find the real culprits who actually caused Roy to be frightened and act the way he did. I just don't understand when he was so frightened, why didn't he call the police from his flat and maybe Ty or any other neighbour?? Doesn't make any sense. Also-why hasn't Roy told to anyone(especially to Anna) that he didn't know it was Gary before he was lying on the ground and turned around? PLUS-I think it was very odd that Gary didn't say a word in the cafe when Roy hit him?? A shout and turn around?? Not believable.
As for Anna-she behaves as always, I knew this would happen!! I really liked Anna with Hayley's illness storyline, but she's going back to her old annoying self again..
And Mary saying in the pub that 'violence is never the answer'?? Yeah right! What was it when she abducted Norris??
I really like Steve depression storyline..made me cry last night to see him in the dark bedroom..I think his mum is starting to realize..I don't understand why they can't see that he's not right??! There's not one(AGAIN!!!) who would offer some sympathy for him and just listen..no, everyone around him are just shouting..I can fully understand where he's coming from, he thinks he's no good to anyone and was just building this bubble(his car)around him where he didn't have to face his depression..and Christmas for Amy was his last go to try to escape his problems. His world is starting to crumble slowly and he has to start to face his problems..but is unable to cope..I think he's a great actor and I really salute Corrie for taking depression as a storyline. I hope that Steve and Michelle will fall in love again.
I can fully understand Owen. He finds it hard to forgive Gary for what he's done to the whole family. Because of his stupidity, they fell in financial difficulties and ended up losing their home as well. Gary is nothing but bad news-anything he touches he ruins. I for one find it very hard to like Gary's character as well and would be more than happy to see him gone.
Whatever part Gary played in the Phelan thing has, until now, long been forgiven and forgotten. It was ultimately Owen's decision to go into business with him, which he's since admitted, and he bears most of the blame (especially since he was fully aware of Phelan's character). Gary was an idiot to hit Phelan but he was manipulated by the latter, as the whole family well knows.
I'm not excusing Gary, as I don't like him either, but this nonsense from Owen has come out of nowhere. Either he held a grudge about the Phelan thing or he didn't. If he secretly did, then there should have been some hints about it. It's badly written either way.
I still stand by the fact that Anna would not put up with Owen's constant snide remarks and nastiness to Gary, whatever the rights and wrongs of Gary's behaviour.
And Mary saying in the pub that 'violence is never the answer'?? Yeah right! What was it when she abducted Norris??
Very true!! :D
I really like Steve depression storyline..made me cry last night to see him in the dark bedroom..I think his mum is starting to realize..I don't understand why they can't see that he's not right??! There's not one(AGAIN!!!) who would offer some sympathy for him and just listen..no, everyone around him are just shouting..I can fully understand where he's coming from, he thinks he's no good to anyone and was just building this bubble(his car)around him where he didn't have to face his depression..and Christmas for Amy was his last go to try to escape his problems. His world is starting to crumble slowly and he has to start to face his problems..but is unable to cope..I think he's a great actor and I really salute Corrie for taking depression as a storyline. I hope that Steve and Michelle will fall in love again.
I was fully in agreement with you about Steve's depression until the last sentence! I hope Steve never takes Michelle back as she's undermined him from day one, but I think that's a futile hope. :(
I don't like Michelle either-never really have, but I think it would be great to see Michelle grow too and to start treating Steve right. We've seen they do love each other, but Michelle just shows it wrong sometimes..I think most of us make mistakes in relationship and it would be nice to see them pull through..
I don't think Gary's part in Phelan storyline is all forgotten as he played a huge part in it-they were wrong getting in the business with Phelan but they are where they are because of Gary's temper, and he's giving more reasons every day for Owen to be more disappoined on him. If I was in Owen's shoes, I would find it extremely hard to deal with Gary too. It's time for Gary to grow up or leave the street, wouldn't miss him. Hopefully Alya won't get back together with him..!
I don't like Michelle either-never really have, but I think it would be great to see Michelle grow too and to start treating Steve right. We've seen they do love each other, but Michelle just shows it wrong sometimes..I think most of us make mistakes in relationship and it would be nice to see them pull through..
I'm not sure I agree with you, but I'm willing to be convinced. We'll have to see how the storyline progresses... :D
maidmarian
30-12-2014, 18:18
I was fully in agreement with you about Steve's depression until the last sentence! I hope Steve never takes Michelle back as she's undermined him from day one, but I think that's a futile hope. :([/QUOTE]
Exactly what I thought Dazzle. Despite Maribas
hope I think Steve and Michelle are a no-hope
couple. You can move on from some things
if both people want to and things havent been
too bad. But Michelles mental bullying has been
so persistent & consistent that I hope Steve has
the courage to end it or in real-life his problems
would likely start again.
maidmarian
30-12-2014, 18:18
I was fully in agreement with you about Steve's depression until the last sentence! I hope Steve never takes Michelle back as she's undermined him from day one, but I think that's a futile hope. :([/QUOTE]
Exactly what I thought Dazzle. Despite Maribas
hope I think Steve and Michelle are a no-hope
couple. You can move on from some things
if both people want to and things havent been
too bad. But Michelles mental bullying has been
so persistent & consistent that I hope Steve has
the courage to end it or in real-life his problems
would likely start again.
tammyy2j
30-12-2014, 23:28
Does Anna not know Roy's flat was broken into previously, I hope Carla and Leanne tell about the youths hassling him earlier that day
It is a shame Phelan got away with everything
tammyy2j
30-12-2014, 23:28
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Wait till Carla finds out she will be really angry I imagine. It was nice that Leanne and her stuck up with him in the cafe.
I get that Anna is Gary's mum but surely she has to realise he was in the wrong. Talk about rose tinted glasses. How can she work for Roy when she said she will never forgive him.
I am quite enjoying the Steve story as well. Think Liz was finally realising in the last episode. It will be good to see how it pans out. I do prefer Steve without Michelle. She's another one getting to much screen time for my liking. She needs something to do all she does at the minute is whinge!
parkerman
31-12-2014, 10:04
I get that Anna is Gary's mum but surely she has to realise he was in the wrong. Talk about rose tinted glasses.
Yes, Gary was in the wrong and Anna was prepared to accept that and that Roy was right to hit him once to stop him stealing. It was when she found out that he chased after him, battered him in the street and when he was down on the ground that she said she couldn't forgive him. I don't think that's rose tinted spectacles when it's your own son you've seen lying in hospital with extensive battering and bruising. Even Roy admits he shouldn't have done it.Yes, we know the circumstances and why Roy did it, but we're not Gary's mother!
parkerman
31-12-2014, 10:04
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Snagglepus
31-12-2014, 10:26
Yes, Gary was in the wrong and Anna was prepared to accept that and that Roy was right to hit him once to stop him stealing. It was when she found out that he chased after him, battered him in the street and when he was down on the ground that she said she couldn't forgive him. I don't think that's rose tinted spectacles when it's your own son you've seen lying in hospital with extensive battering and bruising. Even Roy admits he shouldn't have done it.Yes, we know the circumstances and why Roy did it, but we're not Gary's mother!
Those are the risks you expose yourself to when you engage in crime.
As we know it is not what Roy would have normally done, but unfurtunately for Gary he was at the end of his tether and lost control of himself, something which would not have happened if there was no burglary.
parkerman
31-12-2014, 10:34
Yes, I agree with that to some extent. But, to carry it to its logical extension, do you think it would have been ok for Roy to have beat Gary so hard he killed him. And he might have done if Sinead hadn't intervened. And if you were Gary's mother, how would you feel about that?
Snagglepus
31-12-2014, 11:08
Ok or not, it is what can happen.
Burglars have been shot when breaking into remote properties. Car thieves have been killed while being chased by the police.
I remember a local case when the father of one lad who killed himself in a stolen car blamed the police, saying if they hadn't chased him his son would still be alive, (I think he drove into a road block in the Mersey Tunnel http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3113342.stm ). In his grief he had forgotten that if his son had not stolen the car he would still be alive.
Not being a hard man or fighter myself, if I came upon a burglar in my house I would have to make my first action the last as I would not be able to defend myself against further attack. If I killed him I would just take him to some remote place the other side of the country and burn him.
I can see both sides of the argument, and I think most people would agree that morally (I'm not certain of the legalities) a person is entitled to use reasonable force to defend themselves and their property. The trouble is that Roy didn't use reasonable force, as Parkerman has eloquently explained. Anna changed her mind only after she'd heard the details. I also recognise that people who've been repeatedly victimised are, understandably, likely to overreact, and I hope the law takes that into account in those circumstances.
Most people who know Roy realise he must have been at the end of his tether to behave as he did, which is realistic I think.
Does Anna not know Roy's flat was broken into previously
I think we have to assume she knows because it's common knowledge as far as I know.
She should know that those youths have been causing problems for a while now, I would have thought
Roy should opt for a Jury trial. There is not a jury in the world that would convict him. Roy may have used excessive force but bearing in mind the background and extenuating circumstances his over-reaction is understandable.
I am not a violent person by nature but we all have a breaking point and when the red mist comes down we snap.
I know its only a soap but its easy to condemn from behind a computer screen.
parkerman
31-12-2014, 15:28
I don't think anyone is condemning Roy. If the remark, "I know its only a soap but its easy to condemn from behind a computer screen" is directed at me, all I am trying to point out is how a mother would feel seeing her son in that state and why it is just as understandable she feels the way she does as what Roy did.
Snagglepus
31-12-2014, 15:42
I can understand that Anna feels that way, it is her son, she feels protective.
She is just ignoring the fact that Roy would not be in this situation, a situation he did not want to be in and would not have been put in, if it were not for Gary starting the ball rolling.
I don't think anyone is condemning Roy. If the remark, "I know its only a soap but its easy to condemn from behind a computer screen" is directed at me, all I am trying to point out is how a mother would feel seeing her son in that state and why it is just as understandable she feels the way she does as what Roy did.
Certainly not directed at you Norman. You should know me better than that. It applies to us all. After all none of us know how we would react unless faced with the cicumstances. Its easy for us all to say what we would or wouldnt do from the luxury of a keyboard.
Good to see Gary and Roy meeting .Might be a point for them both to start rebuilding their lives, after they've both rightly been dealt with in court imo , maybe community service if they're both lucky. If Roy ,visually, could have seen the ferocity of his assault on Gary outside as we saw it he would have been devastated and mentally destroyed. The sooner he gets rid of the cricket bat the better.
Absolutely tragic to see Steve at the end ,again so well portrayed.
So glad Anna told Owen to stop picking holes in everything Gary is doing, long overdue, in my opinion and I joined Steve in shedding a few tears at the end :(
Could this Roy/Gary thing be left here now?? OF COURSE not. I'm sure it has to be dragged on..even Mary has turned against Roy now-hah!
If Gary was my son(and I have 2 kids so I know how it feels to love your kids) I would say 'you got what you deserved now man up!!' Gary is not a 10 yr old boy but a grown man with very bad temper issues(+other problems) -he should get help.
As for Anna-she should forgive Roy straight away and also, to be quite apologetic for what her son has done to him. She has seen it very close how losing Hayley has affected Roy so she should be more understanding than anyone else! I think the whole storyline with Roy and Gary is just rubbish.
Steve is the only one keeping me watching Corrie at the moment. Very sad in the end..I was crying with him too..:(
Could this Roy/Gary thing be left here now?? OF COURSE not. I'm sure it has to be dragged on..even Mary has turned against Roy now-hah!
If Gary was my son(and I have 2 kids so I know how it feels to love your kids) I would say 'you got what you deserved now man up!!' Gary is not a 10 yr old boy but a grown man with very bad temper issues(+other problems) -he should get help.
As for Anna-she should forgive Roy straight away and also, to be quite apologetic for what her son has done to him. She has seen it very close how losing Hayley has affected Roy so she should be more understanding than anyone else! I think the whole storyline with Roy and Gary is just rubbish.
Steve is the only one keeping me watching Corrie at the moment. Very sad in the end..I was crying with him too..:(
maidmarian
01-01-2015, 10:14
[QUOTE=mariba;814455
If Gary was my son(and I have 2 kids so I know how it feels to love your kids) I would say 'you got what you deserved now man up!!' Gary is not a 10 yr old boy but a grown man with very bad temper issues(+other problems) -he should get help.
As for Anna-she should forgive Roy straight away and also, to be quite apologetic for what her son has done to him
Steve is the only one keeping me watching Corrie at the moment. Very sad in the end..I was crying with him too..:([/QUOTE]
very much in.agreement with yr comments
about Gary ( I know adulthood doesnt
happen overnight when u became 18 yrs-
Corrie have some incredibly juvenile 20+
year olds)
Also agree its very sad seeing Steve- he
must feel very alone- with no one
understanding how he feels.
maidmarian
01-01-2015, 10:14
[QUOTE=mariba;814455
If Gary was my son(and I have 2 kids so I know how it feels to love your kids) I would say 'you got what you deserved now man up!!' Gary is not a 10 yr old boy but a grown man with very bad temper issues(+other problems) -he should get help.
As for Anna-she should forgive Roy straight away and also, to be quite apologetic for what her son has done to him
Steve is the only one keeping me watching Corrie at the moment. Very sad in the end..I was crying with him too..:([/QUOTE]
very much in.agreement with yr comments
about Gary ( I know adulthood doesnt
happen overnight when u became 18 yrs-
Corrie have some incredibly juvenile 20+
year olds)
Also agree its very sad seeing Steve- he
must feel very alone- with no one
understanding how he feels.
Good to see Gary and Roy meeting .Might be a point for them both to start rebuilding their lives, after they've both rightly been dealt with in court imo , maybe community service if they're both lucky.
I love your idea of them both getting community service Glen. That seems very just, and I think Roy's conscience would feel a lot better if he were punished in some way.
Nice apology from Gary to Roy. I found it completely convincing and was surprised that my heart went out to him. I hope he's learned a valuable lesson and is a more likeable character from now on.
So glad Anna told Owen to stop picking holes in everything Gary is doing, long overdue, in my opinion...
Yay! Anna stood up to bully boy Owen! :cheer:
Absolutely tragic to see Steve at the end ,again so well portrayed.
...I joined Steve in shedding a few tears at the end :(
That scene of Steve alone and sobbing at the end was pretty harrowing stuff. :(
Anna can be quite a bully herself..
tammyy2j
01-01-2015, 23:12
Yes, Gary was in the wrong and Anna was prepared to accept that and that Roy was right to hit him once to stop him stealing. It was when she found out that he chased after him, battered him in the street and when he was down on the ground that she said she couldn't forgive him. I don't think that's rose tinted spectacles when it's your own son you've seen lying in hospital with extensive battering and bruising. Even Roy admits he shouldn't have done it.Yes, we know the circumstances and why Roy did it, but we're not Gary's mother!
Yes true Parkerman but if it was anyone else's son who did this to Roy, Anna would be first out with a pitch fork demanding her own justice for Roy
maidmarian
01-01-2015, 23:37
Yes true Parkerman but if it was anyone else's son who did this to Roy, Anna would be first out with a pitch fork demanding her own justice for Roy
I agree with Parkermans general point about
parents. But this is Anna - very inconsistent
and loud-mouthed( a yawper-in local slang)
so more than likely to behave as u suggest!
maidmarian
01-01-2015, 23:37
Yes true Parkerman but if it was anyone else's son who did this to Roy, Anna would be first out with a pitch fork demanding her own justice for Roy
I agree with Parkermans general point about
parents. But this is Anna - very inconsistent
and loud-mouthed( a yawper-in local slang)
so more than likely to behave as u suggest!
well she has more to come soon and that's when she will need Roy
AND..I still can't understand why Gary didn't let Roy know straight away that it was him-he had plenty of time to turn around. Badly written.
Remember all-Roy only found out it was Gary(and not one of the youths that's been after him)when he was lying on the street and turned around. Of course he shouldn't have beaten anyone that excessively but put yourself in his shoes-he was terrified. And police seemed to be useless as always in protecting him and his home/business. I think everyone has right to protect their own property.
Anna is hypocritical as usual-she would have done exactly the same(or even worse) herself. Roy should fire her, I would love to see how she reacted!! :D
AND..I still can't understand why Gary didn't let Roy know straight away that it was him-he had plenty of time to turn around. Badly written.
Remember all-Roy only found out it was Gary(and not one of the youths that's been after him)when he was lying on the street and turned around. Of course he shouldn't have beaten anyone that excessively but put yourself in his shoes-he was terrified. And police seemed to be useless as always in protecting him and his home/business. I think everyone has right to protect their own property.
Anna is hypocritical as usual-she would have done exactly the same(or even worse) herself. Roy should fire her, I would love to see how she reacted!! :D
maidmarian
02-01-2015, 10:23
Anna is hypocritical as usual-she would have done exactly the same(or even worse) herself. Roy should fire her, I would love to see how she reacted!! :D[/QUOTE]
I agree-but mercy on our eardrums please.
She screeches like one-o over nothing so
the noise over something important is
unimaginable.
maidmarian
02-01-2015, 10:23
Anna is hypocritical as usual-she would have done exactly the same(or even worse) herself. Roy should fire her, I would love to see how she reacted!! :D[/QUOTE]
I agree-but mercy on our eardrums please.
She screeches like one-o over nothing so
the noise over something important is
unimaginable.
She should have put her cafe key set in a safe hidden place from her family before she went away. She just left them on a table with the sign cafe on them. That was asking for trouble. Roy could reprimand her for that as an employer and take away keys from her at least
Alya is really annoying and irresponsible. Her and Gary deserve one another.
kylie could not even call poor max before his doctor visit, horrible selfish cow
i do wish carla and fiz were there for roy
kylie could not even call poor max before his doctor visit, horrible selfish cow
i do wish carla and fiz were there for roy
maidmarian
02-01-2015, 20:21
She should have put her cafe key set in a safe hidden place from her family before she went away. She just left them on a table with the sign cafe on them. That was asking for trouble. Roy could reprimand her for that as an employer and take away keys from her at least
Obviously Anna was irresponsible but it made me
think.about Insurance for Business Premises.
If there had been serious damage to cafe - would
Annas action or the fact Roy had entrusted the keys
to such a person - have invalidated his insurance.
As we know property is more important to some
than people.
maidmarian
02-01-2015, 20:21
She should have put her cafe key set in a safe hidden place from her family before she went away. She just left them on a table with the sign cafe on them. That was asking for trouble. Roy could reprimand her for that as an employer and take away keys from her at least
Obviously Anna was irresponsible but it made me
think.about Insurance for Business Premises.
If there had been serious damage to cafe - would
Annas action or the fact Roy had entrusted the keys
to such a person - have invalidated his insurance.
As we know property is more important to some
than people.
I think he won't be covered as keys were used, not a forced entry. Nothing seems to have been damaged and no money was in the till. So would not have been much of an insurance claim.
tammyy2j
03-01-2015, 00:28
I didn't like Mary being mean to Roy, she held poor Norris hostage or did she forget that
Anna should be grateful Roy is keeping her on in her job, Gary has forgave him why cant she
I still don't like Gary and Alya as a couple
tammyy2j
03-01-2015, 00:29
Tracey and Amy are good together
Alya is really annoying and irresponsible.
How so? She seems like a really nice girl to me.
I still don't like Gary and Alya as a couple
I find myself surprisingly warming to them, but I can't see it lasting as they seem unsuited.
I was pleasantly surprised by Yasmeen's reaction to Alya's announcement that she was still seeing Gary. The former's using her head and hoping Alya will tire of Gary rather than try to force them apart - which is far more sensible.
I felt sorry for Roy again. He seems more alone than ever... :(
parkerman
03-01-2015, 09:01
Speaking as a man here, can I just say: Alya....phoarrrrr!
Speaking as a man here, can I just say: Alya....phoarrrrr!
Presumably, your wife is not a member here?? :lol:
Speaking as a man here, can I just say: Alya....phoarrrrr!
Presumably, your wife is not a member here?? :lol:
Speaking as a man here, can I just say: Alya....phoarrrrr!
She is rather gorgeous lol :D
she is pretty but terrible actress
parkerman
03-01-2015, 18:20
she is pretty but terrible actress
Who cares? Phoarrrrr!
Who cares? Phoarrrrr!
calm the trousersnake down pman :p
Who cares? Phoarrrrr!
calm the trousersnake down pman :p
I said she was iresponsible as she took the item for Beths wedding without permission and ruined it in the process. Then said others said she could take it when they did'nt. Sad Mary turned Roy away.
I said she was iresponsible as she took the item for Beths wedding without permission and ruined it in the process. Then said others said she could take it when they did'nt.
Very true! She seemed genuinely contrite though so I hope she's learned her lesson.
tammyy2j
05-01-2015, 00:45
I said she was iresponsible as she took the item for Beths wedding without permission and ruined it in the process. Then said others said she could take it when they did'nt. Sad Mary turned Roy away.
Sinead was very calm and forgiving of Alya after what she did with the basque, she should have showed some of auntie Beth's fighting Tinker spirit and taken her down :p :cheer:
alya was very bitchy towards izzy
anna should be glad she has a job after what her son done, i know what i would do with the spatula to her :angry:
Michael must have some good hearing to be able to hear the mobile phone ringing inside the house .... :hmm:
parkerman
05-01-2015, 22:24
I am somewhat at a loss over David's attitude to Kylie. He threw her out of the house, told her never to come back and never to see the children again. Now he wonders why she's gone and is determined to get her back and get her "clean". Well, perhaps if he hadn't thrown her out in the first place......
I was wondering about that too but I think he is missing her, Max clearly misses her and Eva and Michael telling him that Kylie loves him and the kids probably got him to regret his actions ... and it is a romantic way for Kylie to return after Paula Lane's maternity leave is over ....:D
I am somewhat at a loss over David's attitude to Kylie. He threw her out of the house, told her never to come back and never to see the children again. Now he wonders why she's gone and is determined to get her back and get her "clean". Well, perhaps if he hadn't thrown her out in the first place......
I wouldn't mind if it was said he'd changed his mind, but he's acting as if he never wanted her to leave in the first place! :searchme:
Poor, poor Meeeee-chelle. :( No one loves her any more :( , and she's been out of the dating game so long (what, all of a couple of years?) that she's forgotten how to flirt. :( I can hardly see the screen for my tears... :crying:
Now David Neilsen is an actor who can effortlessly pull at our heart strings as the humble Roy. The nasty Anna seems to have caught the bullying gene off Owen! There's no excuse for the way she spoke to Roy last night, especially since Gary's long since forgiven him, and Roy's been so good to her for many years!! :angry:
[QUOTE=lizann;814743]alya was very bitchy towards izzy
She was well out of order. When Sally plays at 'management' she is funny and makes herself look stupid. Alya on the other hand was sinister.
[QUOTE=lizann;814743]alya was very bitchy towards izzy
She was well out of order. When Sally plays at 'management' she is funny and makes herself look stupid. Alya on the other hand was sinister.
She was well out of order. When Sally plays at 'management' she is funny and makes herself look stupid. Alya on the other hand was sinister.
I was surprised by what she said, I must admit. I wonder if she has a dark side? I've thought she was nice, if a bit thoughtless, up until now.
If your relatives were coming over you would have more than hot dogs for them, especially if its the first time they are visiting and meeting you
I wouldn't mind if it was said he'd changed his mind, but he's acting as if he never wanted her to leave in the first place! :searchme:
Maybe he never wanted her to leave really ... I can imagine he was in shock with the way he found out that Callum was Max's father, that he came home to find Kylie with some drugs in her hand .. knee-jerk reaction to make her leave ....
tammyy2j
06-01-2015, 14:35
Craig as Boy George :p
tammyy2j
06-01-2015, 14:36
Maybe he never wanted her to leave really ... I can imagine he was in shock with the way he found out that Callum was Max's father, that he came home to find Kylie with some drugs in her hand .. knee-jerk reaction to make her leave ....
I think David thought she may have gone to Eva's place to let him calm down not leave the street completely
if Gail marries Michael he will be her 6th husband. does this make her the most married on the street?
parkerman
06-01-2015, 16:49
6th marriage, 5th husband!
She married Brian Tilsey twice!
if Gail marries Michael he will be her 6th husband. does this make her the most married on the street?
Yes, it would be so far
if Gail marries Michael he will be her 6th husband. does this make her the most married on the street?
Yes, it would be so far
Maybe he never wanted her to leave really ... I can imagine he was in shock with the way he found out that Callum was Max's father, that he came home to find Kylie with some drugs in her hand .. knee-jerk reaction to make her leave ....
I think you've probably got it right, Perdy. I just wish the writers would make it clear what David's thinking instead of having him act as if he never forced Kylie out despite her pleading with him not to.
parkerman
06-01-2015, 20:31
She married Brian Tilsey twice!
Yes, that's why I said 6th marriage, 5th husband.
poor kirk, beth's family are awful to him, good on craig and her sister, mam and nana aint no oil paintings themselves
Glad when they get the number 6 bus home
parkerman
08-01-2015, 00:04
Michelle was worried about taking her clothes off on a first date....hmmm, it looked as though she'd already taken them off.
Is it obligatory now to take clothes off on first dates??? :eek:
maidmarian
08-01-2015, 07:49
?
maidmarian
08-01-2015, 07:49
Is it obligatory now to take clothes off on first dates??? :eek:
Perhaps not obligatory but probably desirable if
you wish to take attention away from an
unpleasant personality!!
Michelle was worried about taking her clothes off on a first date....hmmm, it looked as though she'd already taken them off.
I'm surprised we didn't get a "phwoaaar" from you Parkerman! :D
That dress was ludicrous for a first date in a back street bistro, but then remembering some of Michelle's other eye-watering outfits, and taking into account the six inch heels she wears on a normal day pulling pints, we shouldn't really be surprised.
Yet again we were treated to Michelle bemoaning how long it's been since she was with any other man than Steve. Those lines are being written as if she and Steve were together for thirty years not three!
At least someone on the cobbles has regained their memory: David's remembered all of a sudden that Kylie's gone because he chucked her out.
I'm looking forward to Beth and Kirk's wedding. It could be fun if written well.
can someone remind me why Michelle is working in the pub again when she walked out?
I assume she is living in carla's flat?
can someone remind me why Michelle is working in the pub again when she walked out?
I assume she is living in carla's flat?
She left her relationship but it was never said she'd left her job. She's continued working there ever since the split. In reality she'd be looking for another job but the writers want to keep her around Steve I suppose.
She was living with Carla last time it was mentioned.
She would not have a storyline if she was not working in the Rovers ... and yes, I dare say they want her and Steve to get together again once his depression gets treated properly
tammyy2j
08-01-2015, 14:54
Tyrone's rapping was funny, Beth's family were awful to poor Kirk
tammyy2j
08-01-2015, 14:56
Is it obligatory now to take clothes off on first dates??? :eek:
The way Michelle was going you would think she was a virgin a first date or straight out of a convent :p
parkerman
08-01-2015, 15:12
G
I'm surprised we didn't get a "phwoaaar" from you Parkerman! :D
Michelle is no Alya, Dazzle!:p
Michelle is no Alya, Dazzle!:p
I think that cleavage would make up for other deficiencies if I were that way inclined! :D
parkerman
08-01-2015, 18:21
I think that cleavage would make up for other deficiencies if I were that way inclined! :D
Well, since you put it like that, Dazzle, I suppose I should make a clean breast of it and say if it was offered in the way it was I might succumb, but I think I would soon realise I'd made a bit of a boob.
Well, since you put it like that, Dazzle, I suppose I should make a clean breast of it and say if it was offered in the way it was I might succumb, but I think I would soon realise I'd made a bit of a boob.
:rotfl:
Thanks for the laugh Parkerman. That brightened up my day no end! :)
I didn't like Mary being mean to Roy, she held poor Norris hostage or did she forget that
Anna should be grateful Roy is keeping her on in her job, Gary has forgave him why cant she
I still don't like Gary and Alya as a couple
Roy should have fired Anna..I know Anna would have done that to Roy. That just shows what a good person Roy is.
poor kirk, beth's family are awful to him, good on craig and her sister, mam and nana aint no oil paintings themselves
Plus-where's their boyfriends and husbands?? ;)
one of the busiest days in the pub, a wedding there and liz off shopping michelle on a date and no eva and sean a wedding guest no wonder steve buggered off too
parkerman
09-01-2015, 23:23
Why did Sean's vicar boy friend come in through the back?
Michelle was worried about taking her clothes off on a first date....hmmm, it looked as though she'd already taken them off.
Having just watched the episode myself I thought the same. The dress didnt exactly leave much to the imagination. Still at lease she could show off her tattoos:sick:
Why did Sean's vicar boy friend come in through the back?
Thats a remark just begging for a smutty remark in response but I shall refrain on the grounds of good taste.
She was fully covered up on the second date. Maybe different rules for second dates
Nice fun wedding in last night's episodes, with a little of Steve's serious drama thrown in for good measure.
There were some excellent 80s references. Anyone notice that Sean said "Come on Eileen"?. Also, Beth drying her armpits was another 80s reference I think (but I can't remember what). When Maria was trying to extricate herself from Luke in the Rover's, "I want to break free " by Queen started playing on the jukebox! :D
Loved Beth's faux pas to Kirk's parents that their clothes were old enough to pass for 80s clothes! :D
Hooray!!! Liz's noticed there's something seriously wrong with Steve at last. Shame it didn't stop her berating him, but it's a start I suppose.
Madonna did the drying armpits thing in a very early movie.
parkerman
10-01-2015, 15:57
Thats a remark just begging for a smutty remark in response but I shall refrain on the grounds of good taste.
I am Ernie Wise to your Eric Morecambe; Tommy Cannon to your Bobby Ball; Chesney Allen to your Bud Flanagan; Syd Little to your Eddie Large....I set 'em up, you knock 'em down.
LostVoodoo
10-01-2015, 22:07
Madonna did the drying armpits thing in a very early movie.
Desperately Seeking Susan, wasn't it?
Did like the wedding, nice to see a happy couple having a great day with no one dropping dead like in most soap weddings!
LostVoodoo
10-01-2015, 22:07
Madonna did the drying armpits thing in a very early movie.
Desperately Seeking Susan, wasn't it?
Did like the wedding, nice to see a happy couple having a great day with no one dropping dead like in most soap weddings!
Yes that's the one. Yes glad a wedding went ahead finally with a simple explanation for his lateness
flappinfanny
12-01-2015, 00:42
If I am being honest I should not have enjoyed the wedding episodes. There was more ham on display than at the deli at Lidl.
However I did really enjoy watching it. Had to smile at Tim and Sally as Dollar. Tim was far more attractive in that syrup than david van day. The tinkers are pretty vile, but fun to watch.
Those episodes won't win any BAFTA'S but who cares. :)
watching a chicken lay a egg yes corrie has really got that bad
parkerman
12-01-2015, 22:49
watching a chicken lay a egg yes corrie has really got that bad
It's worse than that, Lizann. Watching a chicken NOT lay an egg!
Mary is starting to be bit too scary again. Over powering and far too obsessed with those kids. They are not her kids and Def should put his foot down. And Julie is far too nice-she should say 'it's either me or Mary!' He should chuck Mary out, not funny at all anymore.
This Yasmine is doing my head in-never liked her.
Ken in Tracy's shop was funny. :D What happened then after with Tony and his friend-wasn't. why can't they just let Tracy to be strong independent woman for once??! And actually get that business booming without any criminal contacts.
Mary is starting to be bit too scary again. Over powering and far too obsessed with those kids. They are not her kids and Def should put his foot down. And Julie is far too nice-she should say 'it's either me or Mary!' He should chuck Mary out, not funny at all anymore.
This Yasmine is doing my head in-never liked her.
Ken in Tracy's shop was funny. :D What happened then after with Tony and his friend-wasn't. why can't they just let Tracy to be strong independent woman for once??! And actually get that business booming without any criminal contacts.
tammyy2j
13-01-2015, 13:48
Tracy and Todd should team up on Tony, play him at his own game, both can be cunning and conniving
I am find Mary quite cruel and annoying lately especially with Roy and Julie
Boy does Mary need to have her wicked way with someone! Step forward Norris (unless it can form part of Roy's Community Service)!
Mary is starting to be bit too scary again. Over powering and far too obsessed with those kids. They are not her kids and Def should put his foot down. And Julie is far too nice-she should say 'it's either me or Mary!' He should chuck Mary out, not funny at all anymore.
Dav needs Mary to look after the kids when he's working though. She's probably cheap, he trusts her with them and they like her, so I can understand why he wants to keep her on side.
Mary likes Dev, probably would love to swap places with Julie and she clearly adores the twins as they do her. Mary's feelings were hurt when Julie suddenly appeared in Dev's life, staying the night and having her own key ... I think Dev should have talked to her about his relationship with Julie once they decided to get together rather than Mary being confronted with sudden changes as they happen.
It won't be long when the arrangement will not be required. Julie will probably have a long term relationship with Dev and move in. She works in a factory and Dev a corner shop so could be beneficial to save money. Makes sense to not have a child minder if things progress. I can't wait for Mary to have a partner she deserves better.
maidmarian
13-01-2015, 21:27
Mary is starting to be bit too scary again. Over powering and far too obsessed with those kids. They are not her kids and Def should put his foot down. And Julie is far too nice-she should say 'it's either me or Mary!' He should chuck Mary out, not funny at all anymore.
This Yasmine is doing my head in-never liked her.
Ken in Tracy's shop was funny. :D What happened then after with Tony and his friend-wasn't. why can't they just let Tracy to be strong independent woman for once??! And actually get that business booming without any criminal contacts.
I think with Mary -shes not had the number
or length of relationships that a woman her
age would probably have had(.if any )
So when things arent going her way can't
disguise her feelings and behaves in an OTT
immature way.
It would be nice to have an indepedent
woman character in a soap but won't
hold my breath.
They either get their money/businesses
from who they marry OR became a total
Doormat .
Mary likes Dev, probably would love to swap places with Julie and she clearly adores the twins as they do her. Mary's feelings were hurt when Julie suddenly appeared in Dev's life, staying the night and having her own key ... I think Dev should have talked to her about his relationship with Julie once they decided to get together rather than Mary being confronted with sudden changes as they happen.
Why?? Mary is not Dev's wife or anything else-only nanny. And why is she needed anyway? Those kids must be at school until 3 anyway, and Dev has help in the shop-he could organize his hours to suit. If he needed some help-he could ask Sophie or Maddie to look after the kids. Mary is just too much for me anyway, would get rid of her fast-she has no right to rule Dev's personal life..or those kids. Mary has a past too with Norris..with that sort of criminal history I wouldn't let her near my kids anyway! hopefully she'll get a love of her own sooner rather than later.
I think with Mary -shes not had the number
or length of relationships that a woman her
age would probably have had(.if any )
So when things arent going her way can't
disguise her feelings and behaves in an OTT
immature way.
It would be nice to have an indepedent
woman character in a soap but won't
hold my breath.
They either get their money/businesses
from who they marry OR became a total
Doormat .
Carla has always been quite independent-which is why I've always liked her :)
I think with Mary -shes not had the number
or length of relationships that a woman her
age would probably have had(.if any )
So when things arent going her way can't
disguise her feelings and behaves in an OTT
immature way.
It would be nice to have an indepedent
woman character in a soap but won't
hold my breath.
They either get their money/businesses
from who they marry OR became a total
Doormat .
Carla has always been quite independent-which is why I've always liked her :) And Eileen as well-kind of.
...she has no right to rule Dev's personal life..or those kids. Mary has a past too with Norris..with that sort of criminal history I wouldn't let her near my kids anyway! hopefully she'll get a love of her own sooner rather than later.
Mary doesn't have a right to rule Dev and his family's life, but they care about her which is why they want to keep her happy. As for the Norris "Misery" storyline, I doubt Dev knows about it (were the police ever involved?) and anyway it was a bit of comic relief and not to be taken too seriously. Mary's proved herself a decent person in the years since that happened.
Carla has always been quite independent-which is why I've always liked her :)
Carla is a perfect example of the kind of women Maidmarian was talking about - she inherited the business from her dead husband - and she can't seem to go long without a man on her arm either!
michael dying just as gail wants to marry him that is fast even for her and her addams family as david calls them :p
Ruffed_lemur
14-01-2015, 22:01
michael dying just as gail wants to marry him that is fast even for her and her addams family as david calls them :p
He's not dead. Surprised they want to marry so quick though.
He's not dead. Surprised they want to marry so quick though.
and that david and nick are fine and accepting of him and their ma
He's not dead. Surprised they want to marry so quick though.
and that david and nick are fine and accepting of him and their ma
parkerman
14-01-2015, 22:06
So neither the bank nor the insurance company bothered to tell Tracy that her last payment bounced? Hmmmm,.....
So neither the bank nor the insurance company bothered to tell Tracy that her last payment bounced? Hmmmm,.....
Im actually surprised she even had insurance
Mary doesn't have a right to rule Dev and his family's life, but they care about her which is why they want to keep her happy. As for the Norris "Misery" storyline, I doubt Dev knows about it (were the police ever involved?) and anyway it was a bit of comic relief and not to be taken too seriously. Mary's proved herself a decent person in the years since that happened.
Carla is a perfect example of the kind of women Maidmarian was talking about - she inherited the business from her dead husband - and she can't seem to go long without a man on her arm either!
Mary may have been behaving since, and I've quite liked her-she's been funny. But as far as I remember, Norris was missing and everyone was looking for him-surely everyone on the street knew about it!!(they always gossip..) So Dev must have known too. Point is if she's making things that difficult for everyone why bother-whether she's only a childminder or friend. It's her problem-they've tried being nice, it's Mary who has to accept that Dev and Julie are together and she has to step back a bit. If she can't accept that then she has to keep away. My fear is that they are changing her now, and I won't like her anymore. She's acting very strangely recently.
I didn't know Carla's history-but even with that, I think she's always been quite independent woman-comes out as strong anyway. She was weak with Peter, but she doesn't have anyone now..Tina could have been one and I really liked her with Tommy(it doesn't always mean that if you are in relationship you couldn't be independent as well does it? ) before she became totally different character overnight. Maddie has been very independent too in her own way. And what about older ladies like Rita, Audrey..even Deirdre? Yes she has Ken but she's had her job and her own life too. That's what being independent means to me-you can still be in relationship.
maidmarian
15-01-2015, 12:41
Mary may have been behaving since, and I've quite liked her-she's been funny. But as far as I remember, Norris was missing and everyone was looking for him-surely everyone on the street knew about it!!(they always gossip..) So Dev must have known too. Point is if she's making things that difficult for everyone why bother-whether she's only a childminder or friend. It's her problem-they've tried being nice, it's Mary who has to accept that Dev and Julie are together and she has to step back a bit. If she can't accept that then she has to keep away. My fear is that they are changing her now, and I won't like her anymore. She's acting very strangely recently.
I didn't know Carla's history-but even with that, I think she's always been quite independent woman-comes out as strong anyway. She was weak with Peter, but she doesn't have anyone now..Tina could have been one and I really liked her with Tommy(it doesn't always mean that if you are in relationship you couldn't be independent as well does it? ) before she became totally different character overnight. Maddie has been very independent too in her own way. And what about older ladies like Rita, Audrey..even Deirdre? Yes she has Ken but she's had her job and her own life too. That's what being independent means to me-you can still be in relationship.
Audrey got all her money /property from
Alf when he died. When they married she
was pracically penniless and quite feckless
but I do accept she has kept running the
hairdressing business in later years(based
on Alfs money)
Rita was some sort of singer then got
property/money when married Len
( he was the owner of the the Kabin)
and he later died. Then she married
a sweetie rep and inherited another big
house after a few months.
Deidre was left as a single parent and
has worked most of the time-probably
more than Ken!!
Emily wasnt ever a sponger by my
reckoning- Maddie- no comment
It is possible to be independent
and in a relationship of course but
usually the effort comes from.both
parties.
It would be possible to get a business
loan to start a business- but u have to
repay the capital plus loan and have a
reasonable employment/ financial
history to qualify ( not Rita or Audrey)
so they got the money thru marriage
Fair enough- but not independent.
maidmarian
15-01-2015, 12:41
dupl
I love the Platt family banter. It's often very funny and feels very natural.
So neither the bank nor the insurance company bothered to tell Tracy that her last payment bounced? Hmmmm,.....
Maybe Tracey hadn't been opening her mail/email? People up to their eyes in debt tend to ignore all the warnings that pile up.
I hope Tracey manages to get one over on the manipulative Tony (I never thought I'd be rooting for Tracey but I dislike Tony even more!). Tracey and Todd work well together in the shop.
My fear is that they are changing her now, and I won't like her anymore. She's acting very strangely recently.
Mary's always been very strange lol. Dev knew that when he took her on but has become fond of her. I agree he and Julie are bending over backwards to try to placate her but most of us know how painful unrequited love is and they feel bad that she's hurting. Plus they don't want to lose someone who's totally trustworthy with the kids. I hope Mary gets over this soon and can be happy being part of the family.
That's what being independent means to me-you can still be in relationship.
It's not the relationship that's the problem (unless it's with someone abusive), it's the way the women are depicted as being desperate for a man in their lives and seemingly constantly jumping from one bad relationship to the next. Using Carla as an example again, she set her sights on Peter (even though he was married to Leanne) and wouldn't give up until she had him (and the same with Liam before him). She's a strong character otherwise but becomes desperate when she there's a man she wants.
I don't know if you watch Eastenders, Mariba, but women being portrayed as unable to live without a man is something I've complained about several times in the EE thread. It's something that's long got on my nerves about soaps. Maidmarian and I've spoken before about the shocking statistics that young girls are more likely than ever to get into (and stay in) abusive relationships, and I'd like to see examples of strong women who can be happily single in soaps to counteract this somewhat (particularly the younger women).
In fairness though, I think EE is worse than Corrie in this way.
tammyy2j
15-01-2015, 22:22
David Platt always has good one liners and his delivery adds to the them
I love the Platt family banter. It's often very funny and feels very natural.
Maybe Tracey hadn't been opening her mail/email? People up to their eyes in debt tend to ignore all the warnings that pile up.
I hope Tracey manages to get one over on the manipulative Tony (I never thought I'd be rooting for Tracey but I dislike Tony even more!). Tracey and Todd work well together in the shop.
Mary's always been very strange lol. Dev knew that when he took her on but has become fond of her. I agree he and Julie are bending over backwards to try to placate her but most of us know how painful unrequited love is and they feel bad that she's hurting. Plus they don't want to lose someone who's totally trustworthy with the kids. I hope Mary gets over this soon and can be happy being part of the family.
It's not the relationship that's the problem (unless it's with someone abusive), it's the way the women are depicted as being desperate for a man in their lives and seemingly constantly jumping from one bad relationship to the next. Using Carla as an example again, she set her sights on Peter (even though he was married to Leanne) and wouldn't give up until she had him (and the same with Liam before him). She's a strong character otherwise but becomes desperate when she there's a man she wants.
I don't know if you watch Eastenders, Mariba, but women being portrayed as unable to live without a man is something I've complained about several times in the EE thread. It's something that's long got on my nerves about soaps. Maidmarian and I've spoken before about the shocking statistics that young girls are more likely than ever to get into (and stay in) abusive relationships, and I'd like to see examples of strong women who can be happily single in soaps to counteract this somewhat (particularly the younger women).
In fairness though, I think EE is worse than Corrie in this way.
I've never watched Eastenders-not even when living in London-lol!! :D I just don't like it. But to be honest I don't think a single independent woman would be that interesting in soapland. I mean-what could they write for her if not relationships and misery?? I know it's self made female business millionaires that you're all after but how about the other end of the scale?? Where's the characters living only on social welfare?? Maybe someone who even wouldn't like to get a job??There's none on the streets and yet they are everywhere!
I love the Platt family banter. It's often very funny and feels very natural.
Maybe Tracey hadn't been opening her mail/email? People up to their eyes in debt tend to ignore all the warnings that pile up.
I hope Tracey manages to get one over on the manipulative Tony (I never thought I'd be rooting for Tracey but I dislike Tony even more!). Tracey and Todd work well together in the shop.
Mary's always been very strange lol. Dev knew that when he took her on but has become fond of her. I agree he and Julie are bending over backwards to try to placate her but most of us know how painful unrequited love is and they feel bad that she's hurting. Plus they don't want to lose someone who's totally trustworthy with the kids. I hope Mary gets over this soon and can be happy being part of the family.
It's not the relationship that's the problem (unless it's with someone abusive), it's the way the women are depicted as being desperate for a man in their lives and seemingly constantly jumping from one bad relationship to the next. Using Carla as an example again, she set her sights on Peter (even though he was married to Leanne) and wouldn't give up until she had him (and the same with Liam before him). She's a strong character otherwise but becomes desperate when she there's a man she wants.
I don't know if you watch Eastenders, Mariba, but women being portrayed as unable to live without a man is something I've complained about several times in the EE thread. It's something that's long got on my nerves about soaps. Maidmarian and I've spoken before about the shocking statistics that young girls are more likely than ever to get into (and stay in) abusive relationships, and I'd like to see examples of strong women who can be happily single in soaps to counteract this somewhat (particularly the younger women).
In fairness though, I think EE is worse than Corrie in this way.
I've never watched Eastenders-not even when living in London-lol!! :D I just don't like it. But to be honest I don't think a single independent woman would be that interesting in soapland. I mean-what could they write for her if not relationships and misery?? I know it's self made female business millionaires that you're all after but how about the other end of the scale?? Where's the characters living only on social welfare?? Maybe someone who even wouldn't like to get a job??There's none on the street and yet they are everywhere in real life!
I've never watched Eastenders-not even when living in London-lol!! :D I just don't like it. But to be honest I don't think a single independent woman would be that interesting in soapland. I mean-what could they write for her if not relationships and misery?? I know it's self made female business millionaires that you're all after but how about the other end of the scale?? Where's the characters living only on social welfare?? Maybe someone who even wouldn't like to get a job??There's none on the street and yet they are everywhere in real life!
I'm not worried about social status and money to be honest, just the constant depiction of women seeing themselves as incomplete without a man (any man) on their arms, and often going to desperate lengths to achieve that. Or else they're victims of men (how many female victims of rape/sexual abuse/incest are there in our popular soaps?).
I'm all for equal relationships born out of lust or friendship, but it's the inability of characters (because this can also apply to the males) to be happy without being in a relationship that worries me. A woman can be happily independent from men even at the lower ends of the social scale.
You're right that relationship woes are bread and butter to soaps, and that soaps are hardly a realistic depiction of society, but a little more variation and inspiration would be nice. Still, that would give me less to complain about! :)
parkerman
16-01-2015, 18:05
Where's the characters living only on social welfare?? Maybe someone who even wouldn't like to get a job??There's none on the street and yet they are everywhere in real life!
There are often characters who are out of work in EE but they never seem to claim any benefits at all. They are usually depicted as completely broke with no money at all.....except for the money they spend in the Queen Vic of course.
Snagglepus
16-01-2015, 18:21
The "you'll find someone/there's someone out there for you" thing gets up ny nose too.
You don't have to have anyone.
I've never watched Eastenders-not even when living in London-lol!! :D I just don't like it. But to be honest I don't think a single independent woman would be that interesting in soapland. I mean-what could they write for her if not relationships and misery?? I know it's self made female business millionaires that you're all after but how about the other end of the scale?? Where's the characters living only on social welfare?? Maybe someone who even wouldn't like to get a job??There's none on the street and yet they are everywhere in real life!
I think the last person not too keen to find a job was Eddie Windass
still a pain to poor roy is anna but good scenes with roy and carla
Ruffed_lemur
16-01-2015, 21:49
The "you'll find someone/there's someone out there for you" thing gets up ny nose too.
You don't have to have anyone.
True. They make you feel abnormal if you're not in a relationship and not seeking anyone. Just getting out of one myself, and it's a lot of trouble.
True. They make you feel abnormal if you're not in a relationship and not seeking anyone. Just getting out of one myself, and it's a lot of trouble.
Unless you are old..then it's ok. :) Or if you are Mary-who is considered as odd. Hopefully Mary would find someone though..she really needs some action! :D
True. They make you feel abnormal if you're not in a relationship and not seeking anyone. Just getting out of one myself, and it's a lot of trouble.
Unless you are old..then it's ok. :) Or if you are Mary-who is considered as odd. Hopefully Mary would find someone though..she really needs some action! :D
still a pain to poor roy is anna but good scenes with roy and carla
I'm so tired of Anna. I wish we didn't see her at all if she's like that to Roy. If I was him Anna wouldn't work for me anymore. But that shows what a kind person Roy is.
Hopefully Carla won't die in a crash-Roy would feel absolutely terrible now..
still a pain to poor roy is anna but good scenes with roy and carla
I'm so tired of Anna. I wish we didn't see her at all if she's like that to Roy. If I was him Anna wouldn't work for me anymore. But that shows what a kind person Roy is.
Hopefully Carla won't die in a crash-Roy would feel absolutely terrible now..
Me to... I used to like Anna but she is not coming across as likeable at the moment at all!
Love Roy and Carla scenes! They are brilliant!
I actually quite enjoyed Steph and Gavin last night as well. Luke and Maria however is dull dull dull.
am looking forward to next weeks episodes, its building up quite nicely.
Luke and Maria was not a good idea. Is it me ...cannot understand why she is still on the street?
I don't get it how that Audrey's salon can keep 3 hairdressers(+1 beautician..who's not there now) working full-time?? There's more hairdressers than customers! Audrey shouldn't be there at all anymore-would be more realistic with only Maria and David. Luke is great but not a best choice for Maria. It would be great to see Maria on her own for a while..she could stay on the background or even have a break from Corrie and come back when they actually want to write something for her. OR she could start studying something and maybe be the one to start an own business.
Did not understand why the offer for a coffee was withdrawn because Liam ran on the road after the ball ... not as if Luke had kicked it there on purpose :rolleyes:
I really liked the Steph and Gavin scenes. They're in a bit of a bind, aren't they? :D
Luke and Maria was not a good idea. Is it me ...cannot understand why she is still on the street?
I like them both but their relationship is a bit of a yawn-fest.
It would be great to see Maria on her own for a while..she could stay on the background or even have a break from Corrie and come back when they actually want to write something for her. OR she could start studying something and maybe be the one to start an own business.
Maria ditching the relationship merry-go-round and becoming a deliberately single, independent woman would make me happy! :D
Did not understand why the offer for a coffee was withdrawn because Liam ran on the road after the ball ... not as if Luke had kicked it there on purpose :rolleyes:
I took it that Maria was in shock because Liam had nearly been run over, and she was probably slightly annoyed at Luke too. The ball going into the road may have been an accident but I'd be annoyed if someone endangered my child, deliberate or not.
Steve drove past Beth as she was leaving the house .... surely he could have stopped to let her get into the people carrier ???
did streetcabs always have a mini bus
Steve might have hired one for this occasion
anna you stupid cow move on gary has and roy has been good to you
Steve drove past Beth as she was leaving the house .... surely he could have stopped to let her get into the people carrier ???
I think that was just to show that Steve is not himself at the moment..
Steve drove past Beth as she was leaving the house .... surely he could have stopped to let her get into the people carrier ???
I think that was just to show that Steve is not himself at the moment..
anna you stupid cow move on gary has and roy has been good to you
Anna is really annoying me now..
anna you stupid cow move on gary has and roy has been good to you
Anna is really annoying me now..
Agree she is an ungrateful cow. Roy has put up with her for so long with all her family dramas one after another
I really enjoyed that. Looking forward to the next episode. Poor Steve....Simon Gregson is playing a blinder in my eyes.
tammyy2j
19-01-2015, 23:23
I liked Maddie going back in for Sally and slapping her
Steve wasn't at fault for the crash but taking off didn't help the situation
I think someone should have died in the crash not just badly hurt like Sinead looks to be
I think Tracy will save Carla
I liked Maddie going back in for Sally and slapping her
Steve wasn't at fault for the crash but taking off didn't help the situation
I think someone should have died in the crash not just badly hurt like Sinead looks to be
I think Tracy will save Carla
I think Steve's depression will come out now so walking away from the scene can be explained with that..He was a sad sight.
Couldn't understand why it took so long for everyone to look for Carla?
I'm glad no one died-they have lost too much already when Anne(Deirdre) died yesterday..:(
I liked Maddie going back in for Sally and slapping her
Steve wasn't at fault for the crash but taking off didn't help the situation
I think someone should have died in the crash not just badly hurt like Sinead looks to be
I think Tracy will save Carla
I think Steve's depression will come out now so walking away from the scene can be explained with that..He was a sad sight.
Couldn't understand why it took so long for everyone to look for Carla?
I'm glad no one was killed off-they have lost too much already when Anne(Deirdre) died yesterday..:(
They were all in shock and some thought that Carla had gone off, maybe with Steve or to look for him, easily done in the dark and of course they all became conscious at different times.
Good episodes last night and well acted by the cast.
Poor Steve was in a terrible state at the end. I hope he'll be able to confide in Michelle now. I was dreading the writers making the crash Steve's fault and everyone blaming him, so I'm very glad that didn't happen.
Nice to see Katy Cavanagh (Julie) given a big part in the proceedings, and being given something to act other than being giddy. She was in a fantastic and gritty police series a good few years back called The Cops and she was one of my favourite characters out of an excellent cast. She's not had much chance to shine playing Julie in Corrie.
Even Michelle was bearable and her first concern being for Steve caused me to unexpectedly mellow towards her (just a little bit). I hope it won't last long lol.
I don't think for a minute that Tracey's not going to help Carla!
The funny "award" scenes in the pub were a nice contrast to the crash. You could tell the actors were really enjoying themselves.
Great episodes last night, good pace to them & they weren't rushed.
I'm glad Steve didn't cause the accident & that everyone else managed to see the car braking in front of him, it would have dragged out for a long time with people blaming him otherwise. There was a really spooky feel about it all, all very realistic (apart from the van somehow ending up about a mile off the road) The pub also had a real lively feel about it so it was nice to see some of them enjoying themselves too, We don't get characters enjoying themselves enough. Really looking forwards to the next episode, i think the real concerns now are what will happen to Carla & how badly injured is Sinead.
Great episodes last night, good pace to them & they weren't rushed.
I'm glad Steve didn't cause the accident & that everyone else managed to see the car braking in front of him, it would have dragged out for a long time with people blaming him otherwise. There was a really spooky feel about it all, all very realistic (apart from the van somehow ending up about a mile off the road) The pub also had a real lively feel about it so it was nice to see some of them enjoying themselves too, We don't get characters enjoying themselves enough. Really looking forwards to the next episode, i think the real concerns now are what will happen to Carla & how badly injured is Sinead.
LostVoodoo
20-01-2015, 21:58
Really great episodes with the bus crash, the quiet and spookiness of the cold, dark night really added to it.
I'll tell you something, if I'm ever in a disaster like that I want Julie and Maddy on my team!
LostVoodoo
20-01-2015, 21:58
Really great episodes with the bus crash, the quiet and spookiness of the cold, dark night really added to it.
I'll tell you something, if I'm ever in a disaster like that I want Julie and Maddy on my team!
tammyy2j
21-01-2015, 20:36
Maddy, Julie and Tracey the heros
Liz's first thought on hearing about the accident was that Steve was to blame. Nice. :angry:
At least he's confessed all to Michelle. Let's hope it's the start of his journey to recovery.
Poor Sinead! :(
I cannot understand how after that Tracy is going to be out to get Carla and matters between them escalate.
Tony wanted tracy dead in the mini bus crash. His secret would have been safe plus the bookies would have been his.
Why do they assume they get free cabs to the hospital?
I cannot understand how after that Tracy is going to be out to get Carla and matters between them escalate.
Tony wanted tracy dead in the mini bus crash. His secret would have been safe plus the bookies would have been his.
Why do they assume they get free cabs to the hospital?
The argument that it is an emergency in no way warrants a fee taxi ride ...:wall:
I can see an escalation as Tracy will probably not stop demanding things from Carla :angry:
maidmarian
22-01-2015, 09:14
The argument that it is an emergency in no way warrants a fee taxi ride ...:wall:
I can see an escalation as Tracy will probably not stop demanding things from Carla :angry:
Probably those who expect free taxi rides
are those who expect everything they
want to be provided and would phone
emergency services asking for someone
to go round and change light bulbs.
Happens quite regularly according to
annual reports.
Not sure where they would think money
for free taxis would come from?
maidmarian
22-01-2015, 09:14
dupl
parkerman
22-01-2015, 10:58
Well, I think last night's episode put paid to the theory that all Simon Gregson can do is make funny faces. I thought he was superb last night. A very moving performance.
Well, I think last night's episode put paid to the theory that all Simon Gregson can do is make funny faces. I thought he was superb last night. A very moving performance.
Totally agree! I've been saying for years that Simon Gregson can do a lot more than the buffoon act. Steve's been one of my favourite characters since he was a bit of a bad boy as a young man so I'm really glad he's had the chance to silence his critics.
Totally agree! I've been saying for years that Simon Gregson can do a lot more than the buffoon act. Steve's been one of my favourite characters since he was a bit of a bad boy as a young man so I'm really glad he's had the chance to silence his critics.
Could not agree more, Dazzle :)
It was so moving yes..the scenes with Steve and Michelle..To be honest I'm more worried of Steve than of Sinead..
Snagglepus
22-01-2015, 13:24
Lets hope the script writers use this opportunity to cure Steve back to his original pre Fred Elliot impersonation self.
tammyy2j
22-01-2015, 14:13
Did Liz and Amy know Tracy was in the bus crash too?
Did Liz and Amy know Tracy was in the bus crash too?
Yes, I recall it being relayed to Amy that Tracy was fine and a bit of a hero by all accounts. Michelle told Tony over the phone I believe, just after they'd talked about Steve.
tammyy2j
22-01-2015, 14:54
Yes, I recall it being relayed to Amy that Tracy was fine and a bit of a hero by all accounts. Michelle told Tony over the phone I believe, just after they'd talked about Steve.
Yes but it was after Tony asked (was he genuinely worried for Tracy showing feelings for her?) you would think Liz would have asked or Michelle told her for Amy's sake
I did feel sorry somewhat for Tracy no one at the crash site cared for her and she was a hero to get Carla out
tammyy2j
22-01-2015, 14:54
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Yes but it was after Tony asked (was he genuinely worried for Tracy showing feelings for her?) you would think Liz would have asked or Michelle told her for Amy's sake
I did feel sorry somewhat for Tracy no one at the crash site cared for her and she was a hero to get Carla out
I think he was worried about Tracy because of their business arrangement only ..
Yes but it was after Tony asked (was he genuinely worried for Tracy showing feelings for her?) you would think Liz would have asked or Michelle told her for Amy's sake
I did feel sorry somewhat for Tracy no one at the crash site cared for her and she was a hero to get Carla out
I think he was worried about Tracy because of their business arrangement only ..
tim with the websters is a genius, him, sally, kevin, maddie and even sophie all work as a unit enjoyed that hospital scene
michelle showing her caring side to steve finally is nice too
tim with the websters is a genius, him, sally, kevin, maddie and even sophie all work as a unit enjoyed that hospital scene
michelle showing her caring side to steve finally is nice too
parkerman
22-01-2015, 23:08
I think he was worried about Tracy because of their business arrangement only ..
I thought he was hoping she'd copped it, so that she wouldn't be able to blab about their one night stand.
I thought he was hoping she'd copped it, so that she wouldn't be able to blab about their one night stand.
has it been more than 1
I thought he was hoping she'd copped it, so that she wouldn't be able to blab about their one night stand.
has it been more than 1
has it been more than 1
Not so far...
if she was not around he would have easily had all the business to himself as she had made him a partner. He could change it just to just his name.
if she was not around he would have easily had all the business to himself as she had made him a partner. He could change it just to just his name.
At the time I felt Tony was genuinely worried about Tracey not just the business, so maybe he has a soft spot for her?
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