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I thought Eileen did eventually leave to meet Todd at the Bistro , she was in two minds because of Jason bending her ear. In the end she got up and said she was going. But too late to stop Todd leaving.
parkerman
09-11-2014, 23:37
I can't say I remember that. I thought she didn't go at all because of what Jason said to her.
parkerman
10-11-2014, 09:48
Yes, you're right. It was after a second conversation with Jason. She wasn't going to go and was just sitting at home with Jason, Todd had already left the Bistro after waiting half an hour. It was when Jason told Eileen that Eva had had to work at the Rovers' that she realised Todd was all on his own, that's when she went out.
tammyy2j
10-11-2014, 13:26
Disappointed there wasn't more information following on from Rob's arrest and Tracy's involvement and motives. Perhaps it will occur next week ?
It was Tracy who ultimately got Rob caught with the police wasn't it or was it Carla?
Tracy was wearing Rob's jacket I think Carla or Michelle mentioned this
Tracy told the police where they can find Rob and yes, she was wearing Rob's jacket after he was arrested
She is just focused on what she has lost...not Rob and what is happening to him.
parkerman
10-11-2014, 16:01
Rob's jacket was hanging up in the shop. That's where Tracy saw it and put it on.
tammyy2j
10-11-2014, 16:08
Rob's jacket was hanging up in the shop. That's where Tracy saw it and put it on.
Oh I thought she brought it back with her once Rob was arrested
Who owns the premises, Tracy's shop is in, is it Carla or Peter?
Snagglepus
10-11-2014, 16:31
Oh I thought she brought it back with her once Rob was arrested
Who owns the premises, Tracy's shop is in, is it Carla or Peter?
I assume it is Peter, as he was going to sell it to pay for his appeal.
TaintedLove
10-11-2014, 17:47
Oh I thought she brought it back with her once Rob was arrested
Who owns the premises, Tracy's shop is in, is it Carla or Peter?
When Rob and Tracys shop first opened, Peter agreed to give them 6 months free rent. Those 6 months have come and gone - so I would say Peter still owns that shop. I`m not sure if Peter and Tracey agreed for a share in profits though...I don`t think that shop shows any profit the amount of times the shop is closed.
:)
tammyy2j
11-11-2014, 00:03
Peter should put all his effort into rebuilding his relationship with his son Simon and laying off the booze and facing up to the fact his marriage to Carla is over
I like having Cilla back and her interacting with Beth, Sinead and Craig
tammyy2j
11-11-2014, 00:03
Tracy really has it in for Carla
Ruffed_lemur
11-11-2014, 13:17
Great to see Cilla in the street!
I don`t think that shop shows any profit the amount of times the shop is closed.
It would seem that way, except they had the money to pay for an expensive wedding so the shop must have been doing well! :searchme:
i feel sorry for todd
I do a little too. I hope now we've been told that he'll have a permanent scar it doesn't magically disappear in a few weeks (a la Kat's in EE). It'll be interesting what effect this has on smug Todd.
Peter should put all his effort into rebuilding his relationship with his son Simon and laying off the booze and facing up to the fact his marriage to Carla is over
Agreed.
Peter begging Carla was an uncomfortable watch. I'm so glad she didn't soften towards him, even though I feel a bit sorry for him myself.
I like having Cilla back and her interacting with Beth, Sinead and Craig
She's great isn't she? Very entertaining! I've missed the character and wish she was back for longer.
Quite depressing episodes overall last night, though they ended on a surprisingly positive note with the Barlows together.
Tracy said she is broke and can't pay Michelle ... as she and Rob were partners, I guess Rob is skint too ???
Tracy said she is broke and can't pay Michelle ... as she and Rob were partners, I guess Rob is skint too ???
I thought she was just saying that for effect to be honest, but they may have paid for the wedding using credit cards, in which case Tracey's got a lot of debt to pay. Aww, bless...:D
Someone needs to tell Anna that she cannot teach someone to read in 6 weeks. Not even the best of teachers can achieve that.
what was the big deal of craig and faye minding josef, craig lives with ches and josef, michelle and steph were overly worried why?
has cilla a 3rd kid?
what was the big deal of craig and faye minding josef, craig lives with ches and josef, michelle and steph were overly worried why?
has cilla a 3rd kid?
They seem sensible enough nd she did have a fall. I don't think she has a third child
Probably their age .. Faye is 12, I think, not sure how old Craig is meant to be
parkerman
13-11-2014, 09:46
has cilla a 3rd kid?
William "Billy" Brown is Cilla's eldest son. He went to her wedding to Les back in 2005, when he told her he was joining the army. Chesneyran away from home to visit him in 2009.
Apart from that I don't think he's ever been mentioned until last night.
Someone needs to tell Anna that she cannot teach someone to read in 6 weeks. Not even the best of teachers can achieve that.
Remember though that, confusingly, Tim can actually read pretty well already. He's been shown reading a shopping list out loud in the past (including easily reading the word "lasagne") and put together that leaflet advertising his window cleaning a few weeks ago too (with just one small mistake). He's already well on his way to being a competent reader!
I remember Cilla's other son being at the wedding too. I don't blame Chesney for his attitude towards her.
I also don't get what the big deal is with Faye and Craig minding Joseph. I used to babysit my baby cousins all the time when I was their age.
Probably their age .. Faye is 12, I think, not sure how old Craig is meant to be
I think too that it was too much over nothing! Joseph iisn't a baby and he was safe with Graig and Faye-never mind they are only 12. Different if she had gone to pub or something. They could have rang to someone of course but Chesney is so over the board with his behaviour-doing my head in! Never liked him anyway..
By the way-Faye looks older than 12. I know she's meant to be 12 but I think the actress herself must be more than that???
Probably their age .. Faye is 12, I think, not sure how old Craig is meant to be
I think too that it was too much over nothing! Joseph iisn't a baby and he was safe with Graig and Faye-never mind they are only 12. Different if she had gone to pub or something. They could have rang to someone of course but Chesney is so over the board with his behaviour-doing my head in! Never liked him anyway..
By the way-Faye looks older than 12. I know she's meant to be 12 but I think the actress herself must be more than that???
parkerman
13-11-2014, 17:55
Remember though that, confusingly, Tim can actually read pretty well already. He's been shown reading a shopping list out loud in the past (including easily reading the word "lasagne") and put together that leaflet advertising his window cleaning a few weeks ago too (with just one small mistake). He's already well on his way to being a competent reader!
Did he not also first come into Corrie when Faye contacted him by email?
I am sure Yasmin will give him all the support he needs once she finds out. She may set up classes at the centre. If she can create a paramedic in Katy...Tim will go far in the world.
tammyy2j
14-11-2014, 15:37
Did he not also first come into Corrie when Faye contacted him by email?
Yes by facebook I believe
steve needs to be away from michelle she is causing his depression by the looks of it he was happy in the bistro :p
so bye bye peter
did beth buy tracy a bottle of red wine in the pub is she minted
craig has a wee crush on cilla me thinks :p
I cannot believe Fiz left the girls behind. She is going to be away a while. At least 3 months? I suppose its the invisible free childminder at play again.
I cannot believe Fiz left the girls behind. She is going to be away a while. At least 3 months? I suppose its the invisible free childminder at play again.
tyrone wont cope emily will be needed :p fiz could have taken hope with her
sad to cilla go already
I cannot believe Fiz left the girls behind. She is going to be away a while. At least 3 months? I suppose its the invisible free childminder at play again.
tyrone wont cope emily will be needed :p fiz could have taken hope with her
sad to cilla go already
It was good to see Cilla back again, maybe she can return with Fiz whenever maternity leave for Jennie is over :)
tyrone wont cope emily will be needed :p fiz could have taken hope with her
sad to cilla go already
Both children could have gone with her not just her own biological child. They are are a couple now. She could have found a child minder in Wolverhampton for the time her mum was actually having surgery through the Council list of registered childminders. Then when she was home she could have managed like we all do.
tyrone wont cope emily will be needed :p fiz could have taken hope with her
sad to cilla go already
Both children could have gone with her not just her own biological child. They are are a couple now. She could have found a child minder in Wolverhampton for the time her mum was actually having surgery through the Council list of registered childminders. Then when she was home she could have managed like we all do.
Both children could have gone with her not just her own biological child. They are are a couple now. She could have found a child minder in Wolverhampton for the time her mum was actually having surgery through the Council list of registered childminders. Then when she was home she could have managed like we all do.
So what is the difference with Tyrone taking the kids to a childminder when he is working and looking after them after work .. like we all do??? I like to think that men can look after children in the same manner as women do. At least, the children are in a familiar environment and have various people look after them who they know, that must be of a benefit
Difference being it would have been the cheaper option as she wouldnot be at 'work' and the call on childminders would be less. I have no issue with male and female roles as my husband was a house husband for years and cared for the children while I built up my career.
But she would need to work in Wolverhampton too ... they both need to work to pay the bills as was made clear after Ty's accident. So Fiz would not be able to suddenly stop working to care for Cilla
There was no mention of her getting a job in Wolverhampton. She is going there to care for her mother. Realistically she will not be able to get one even if she tried with the sad state of the country. She would be looking for a temporary job as well. They are even harder to find. Therefore Tyrone would be more financially hard up. So he would not be able to cover full time care for 2 kids. I am just voicing the practicalities here having 11 years of childminders and the rest of main care carried out by my husband as I worked all hours. There is only so much that friends can support you with. You cannot burden your friends especially elderlly ones with full time care. Tyrone has already had a lot of time off.
I can see what you mean now. Although she will be gone for at least 6 months, I expect, in reality, she would not be able to take that much time off work to look after her mother, she would need to find some work, part time at least and with Underworld being so busy now, can't see Carla being impressed with having to find a replacement for her .. although in soapland, that never seems to be a problem.
Like in most temporary departure stories, I find the excuses given most of the time lazy scriptwriting and quite unbelievable. Same as Peter, he could move to another part of Manchester to avoid seeing Carla on a regular basis but closer for Simon to be able to see him much more frequently than he will in Portsmouth.
I can see what you mean now. Although she will be gone for at least 6 months, I expect, in reality, she would not be able to take that much time off work to look after her mother, she would need to find some work, part time at least and with Underworld being so busy now, can't see Carla being impressed with having to find a replacement for her .. although in soapland, that never seems to be a problem.
Like in most temporary departure stories, I find the excuses given most of the time lazy scriptwriting and quite unbelievable. Same as Peter, he could move to another part of Manchester to avoid seeing Carla on a regular basis but closer for Simon to be able to see him much more frequently than he will in Portsmouth.
He has some ties to Portsmouth and its a place he turns to for some reason. Not sure how long Fiz will be away. I thought she would be away for 3 months but maybe she can afford to be off longer with her restaurant and that.
Ruffed_lemur
15-11-2014, 13:42
There was no mention of her getting a job in Wolverhampton. She is going there to care for her mother. Realistically she will not be able to get one even if she tried with the sad state of the country. She would be looking for a temporary job as well. They are even harder to find. Therefore Tyrone would be more financially hard up. So he would not be able to cover full time care for 2 kids. I am just voicing the practicalities here having 11 years of childminders and the rest of main care carried out by my husband as I worked all hours. There is only so much that friends can support you with. You cannot burden your friends especially elderlly ones with full time care. Tyrone has already had a lot of time off.
Fizz should be able to get a care allowance for looking after Cilla.
Attendance Allowance as well.
maidmarian
15-11-2014, 15:37
There was no mention of her getting a job in Wolverhampton. She is going there to care for her mother. Realistically she will not be able to get one even if she tried with the sad state of the country. She would be looking for a temporary job as well. They are even harder to find. Therefore Tyrone would be more financially hard up. So he would not be able to cover full time care for 2 kids. I am just voicing the practicalities here having 11 years of childminders and the rest of main care carried out by my husband as I worked all hours. There is only so much that friends can support you with. You cannot burden your friends especially elderlly ones with full time care. Tyrone has already had a lot of time off.
I think your point about not burdening elderly friends/
relatives with full time child care is very relevant. People
are having their first child at a later age so grandparents
are older. Also the retirement age for pensions is disappearing
over the horizon.
People I have worked with have had quite unrealistic expectations
of their parents.eg parent giving up own job before pension age
And expecting a widowed father well over 70 to care for 2 active
toddlers full-time.And other less extreme cases
Probably dont want to pay for childcare which is expensive and
can be difficult to find.
maidmarian
15-11-2014, 15:37
There was no mention of her getting a job in Wolverhampton. She is going there to care for her mother. Realistically she will not be able to get one even if she tried with the sad state of the country. She would be looking for a temporary job as well. They are even harder to find. Therefore Tyrone would be more financially hard up. So he would not be able to cover full time care for 2 kids. I am just voicing the practicalities here having 11 years of childminders and the rest of main care carried out by my husband as I worked all hours. There is only so much that friends can support you with. You cannot burden your friends especially elderlly ones with full time care. Tyrone has already had a lot of time off.
I think your point about not burdening elderly friends/
relatives with full time child care is very relevant. People
are having their first child at a later age so grandparents
are older. Also the retirement age for pensions is disappearing
over the horizon.
People I have worked with have had quite unrealistic expectations
of their parents.eg parent giving up own job before pension age
And expecting a widowed father well over 70 to care for 2 active
toddlers full-time.And other less extreme cases
Probably dont want to pay for childcare which is expensive and
can be difficult to find.
One of my Aunts'is expected to look after 4 girls and she has long terms conditions and is 65. My other Aunt had her own 7 kids and had to look after all her grandchildren. I do not think I would have to energy to look after children full time even if I was retired. Not little babies any how. If they were above 7 no problem. Two people need to work to make ends meet so I can understand the pressures. But I feel strongly that if you have a kid it is your responsibility and no pressure should be put on others or guilt.
As someone said above (can't remember who, sorry!) it's really silly that Peter would move so far away from Simon (and Ken) just to get away from Coronation Street. I know he has ties to Portsmouth, but they must be pretty weak by now, having spent the last decade or so in Weatherfield. In reality, he'd just have moved a few miles away and would see his family all the time. It could be mentioned occasionally that Simon had been at Peter's to keep the illusion going.
I wish soap writers would think situations like this through!
I'll miss Chris Gascoyne as Peter and hope he returns to Corrie in a few years. There's no doubt Peter was going around in circles so a break might be a good thing.
I'm sorry to see Cilla go too.
Was me that said it was silly about Peter moving so far away, I agree with everything you say.. I really hope to see Chris Gascoyne back on the Cobbles in the not too distant future. The same applies to Cilla :)
Was me that said it was silly about Peter moving so far away...
I should have known it was you, Perdy :)
He has some ties to Portsmouth and its a place he turns to for some reason. Not sure how long Fiz will be away. I thought she would be away for 3 months but maybe she can afford to be off longer with her restaurant and that.
what ties?
navy buddies
maidmarian
15-11-2014, 22:13
He has some ties to Portsmouth and its a place he turns to for some reason. Not sure how long Fiz will be away. I thought she would be away for 3 months but maybe she can afford to be off longer with her restaurant and that.
Re Fiz - although the character may be dippy- I think
the actress is more astute. She has outside business
interests as a fall-back and has seen what has happened
to the ones who played Hayley & Tina. I know they said they
wanted to leave/take break but probably hoped/expected to
come back.at some stage as they were deemed very popular
I did wonder whether the over-playing the part with Roy
-who is popular and seems happy to stay- was to make
her character less disposable. Shes on Maternity Leave
so does have the right to return-but things can change.
Re Peter - sorry to see him go and agree his leaving
story could have been more plausible.
Hope he returns some time - but not to Carla- she was
a stronger more interesting character initially but I don't
think someone at Corrie likes strong women- theyre not
allowed to stay that way!
She also does a lot of charitable work around mental health so making a contribution to society. I hear Michelle Keagen has some acting part now.
tammyy2j
16-11-2014, 19:35
Peter leaving was terrible, poor Simon at least Carla was there for him, liked their scenes, Carla should not have miscarried imo
maidmarian
16-11-2014, 20:32
Peter leaving was terrible, poor Simon at least Carla was there for him, liked their scenes, Carla should not have miscarried imo
It would have taken the Carla out of the
rut shes been written into and given
the character a new dimension that I
would have welcomed.
I did wonder tho if it was another
"soap education message" which
there are a lot of.( sometimes not accurate
or well researched)
This time about pregnancy & drinking
maidmarian
16-11-2014, 20:32
Peter leaving was terrible, poor Simon at least Carla was there for him, liked their scenes, Carla should not have miscarried imo
It would have taken the Carla out of the
rut shes been written into and given
the character a new dimension that I
would have welcomed.
I did wonder tho if it was another
"soap education message" which
there are a lot of.( sometimes not accurate
or well researched)
This time about pregnancy & drinking
leanne has done worse in her past and isn't muslim and she can date kal so why cant gary date anya
gail don't do drunk very well
Different rules for the men in Asian families. I dont understand on the one hand they show a very non traditional muslim asian family (except when they do Eid etc) then they have this big issue with Alya.
Love Craig even more
Different rules for the men in Asian families. I dont understand on the one hand they show a very non traditional muslim asian family (except when they do Eid etc) then they have this big issue with Alya.
Love Craig even more
It seems that Craig has a crush on Faye.
Agreed Liz, Gail acting drunk was pretty embarassing. What a coincidence that Michael's son Gavin is an experienced cocktail waiter at the same time the bistro is understaffed! :D
I enjoyed Sally and Anna's scenes, especially "Anna " slutty" Windass ". :D
It was fun to see Tim (ie the writers) scramble to explain his seemingly effortless reading in the past! :rotfl:
tammyy2j
18-11-2014, 14:48
Craig is great glad he is being used more now
Faye can be a very rude ungrateful child
Sally and Tim and Anna scenes were good too
tammyy2j
18-11-2014, 14:48
Does Steve just want to get bladdered now on cocktails, is this part of his depression storyline
maidmarian
18-11-2014, 15:00
Craig is great glad he is being used more now
Faye can be a very rude ungrateful child
Sally and Tim and Anna scenes were good too
Ive liked Craig since he first appeared.
I cannot say the same about Faye- the
only time she was bearable was when
acting with the string- vested cake-
maker( who - strangely I liked)
I do hope Craig will not be the father
of Fayes much publicised future baby.
That would spoil his character development.
maidmarian
18-11-2014, 15:00
Craig is great glad he is being used more now
Faye can be a very rude ungrateful child
Sally and Tim and Anna scenes were good too
Ive liked Craig since he first appeared.
I cannot say the same about Faye- the
only time she was bearable was when
acting with the string- vested cake-
maker( who - strangely I liked)
I do hope Craig will not be the father
of Fayes much publicised future baby.
That would spoil his character development.
No I don't think he is, it will be someone else from school. I imagine Graig will be a big support to her though.
tammyy2j
19-11-2014, 14:55
Did Norris get his package yet and why couldn't he get it delivered to the Kabin
Because he did not order anything, he has been sent a gift from a friend who might not have known the address of the Kabin or Norris's involvement as they have not had contact for a long while.
maidmarian
19-11-2014, 16:01
Did Norris get his package yet and why couldn't he get it delivered to the Kabin
Not sure if you have seen it or perhaps you
dont wish to-but there is info about who
seht present and what it is at the end of
the full synopsis for spoilers 24th-28th Nov
published by Perdita yesterday-.
Last para of 1st episode 24/11.
Cant remember if any of guesses on here were
correct.Mine wasnt! Sorry not adept with Spoilers.
Sorry not adept with Spoilers.
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Sorry not adept with Spoilers.
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Does Steve just want to get bladdered now on cocktails, is this part of his depression storyline
I think that he can't face his life and is using the bistro to hide from his responsibilities. Not being able to face things is a classic symptom of depression.
parkerman
19-11-2014, 17:53
Actually I thought Helen Worth was very amusing - "I am Davina McCall" :lol:
The programme is becoming a bit Long lost families
I think that he can't face his life and is using the bistro to hide from his responsibilities. Not being able to face things is a classic symptom of depression.
he likes steph's company
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
I think that he can't face his life and is using the bistro to hide from his responsibilities. Not being able to face things is a classic symptom of depression.
he likes steph's company
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
She did seem to have a twinkle in her eye for him! I can't see it happening though.
Steve found another way to avoid his life in his cute little sports car, but Michelle was back to her nastiest when she found out. :thumbsdow
tammyy2j
20-11-2014, 18:35
he likes steph's company
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
Well I am not a fan of Leanne and Kal so don't particularly mind if Carla takes him from her but I would prefer to see Carla on her own for a while building strong friendships if possible with the likes of Leanne and Roy, I do like Carla and Roy scenes especially
I don't know what to make of this Steve's depression storyline so far, I assumed the writers did adequate research as I don't think the writing for it so far is good imho
I must of missed yesterdays episode
Ruffed_lemur
21-11-2014, 19:07
Well I am not a fan of Leanne and Kal so don't particularly mind if Carla takes him from her but I would prefer to see Carla on her own for a while building strong friendships if possible with the likes of Leanne and Roy, I do like Carla and Roy scenes especially
I don't know what to make of this Steve's depression storyline so far, I assumed the writers did adequate research as I don't think the writing for it so far is good imho
I think the writing is good. Depression has many shapes and forms.
Now it seems more like a mid life crisis with the sports car
Snagglepus
21-11-2014, 20:59
If I hear of someone with depression I will now think they are just an ars**le like Steve MacDonald.
He has nothing to be depressed about, except being a very bad actor to a ridiculous storyline.
They have handled this storyline very badly. Millions of people watch this programme and they are sending out all the wrong messages about depression. When your depressed people who know you very well have an idea you are depressed. It obviously has different levels with different people who have different coping mechanisms. When I was depressed I could not get out of bed, was off from work, tearful all the time, consumed with sadness and could not look after my kids. My family had to step in. It was'nt that I was'nt bothered I just could'nt do basic things. My cancer a year later felt easier to cope with than depression as I had no control of my mind and feelings.
Sorry to hear you've suffered the hell of severe depression, Swm. I have too. I totally agree that it (and other mental health problems) are worse than physical illnesses, something that many non-sufferers cannot possibly imagine. You literally cannot function whilst in the midst of severe depression (for example even basic things like eat, drink, take care of your personal hygiene etc - in fact Tony commented on Steve's personal hygiene so he's not taking care of himself properly). I think that Steve is currently on a downward spiral and will get to that point if he's unable to seek help (as are many sufferers).
I don't feel this storyline is being handled as badly as you do though, I've got to be honest. I don't see Steve as being an ar**hole (as Snagglepus puts it) but as someone who can't cope with his life any more and is finding reasons to escape from it. I've seen this very behaviour in my own family. The fact that he's unable to articulate why he's behaving this way is causing his friends and family to think the worst, but I understand it.
Not being able to talk to Michelle in the car was classic depression from my point of view. It's been made obvious that he still loves her deep down, and he cannot understand why he can no longer maintain a relationship with her.
As for saying he has nothing to be depressed about, clinical depression's not just brought about by difficult circumstances (although stress makes it far more likely to happen of course), but by something going wrong medically with the brain/body. The mechanics of the illness are far from being properly understood today. I do think it's been well spelled out that Steve was stressed out by turning 40 and by Michelle and Liz's constant mocking (which has damaged his self-esteem).
I think Steve's currently in denial about being depressed. It's something many people are unable to admit to. In fact, some people lose everything because they can't admit to it.
I'm not saying it's the best depression storyline ever or anything, but I don't feel it's being portrayed totally inadequately either. I'm still hoping that the progression of the illness will be handled realistically. I guess it helps that I really like Steve and feel for him enormously.
Sorry you went through it too. Hope the storyline does progress as you say
Either Les Dennis is the worst actor ever to tread the cobbles, or his character Michael is the worst character ever to feature in Corrie. No, on the other hand - both statements are correct!
I thought he was good at the beginning but not so now.
Either Les Dennis is the worst actor ever to tread the cobbles, or his character Michael is the worst character ever to feature in Corrie. No, on the other hand - both statements are correct!
I have to agree, Brucie! I was hoping he'd improve but it doesn't seem to be happening. What's worse is that Michael is dragging Gail down to his cringeworthy level. It's getting hard to remember that Gail was once a good character.
all the loving for gavin i can see why he is nice to look at :p
parkerman
24-11-2014, 23:20
Another great evening for David!
tammyy2j
25-11-2014, 16:56
Could it have been made more obvious Gavin is after Gail and her family's money
Snagglepus
25-11-2014, 17:52
The writing is very poor.
Steve would be good selling sofas, he's like Neil the Sloth.
I found that crowd of vultures pecking at Steve in the street really uncomfortable to watch (which I guess was the point). Can they all take be that dense (and such bullies)? Even if they can't guess that Steve's depressed, it's obvious something's very wrong. It looks like Andrea will be the one he confides in, surprisingly.
Another great evening for David!
Yeah, David was on form last night! I particulary enjoyed the way he burst out laughing when Michael shouted at Gail. Inappropriate of David, but understandable in the circumstances. :D
Could it have been made more obvious Gavin is after Gail and her family's money
All the subtlety of a sledgehammer there! He seems like a piece of work. Doesn't Michael think it's a bit strange that his abandoned son doesn't appear angry with him?
Did they have to show those maggots? Yuck!!! Thank goodness I wasn't eating at the time... :thumbsdow
The mention of Ramsey was nice. Did anyone else laugh out loud when Craig asked Norris if he had a tablet, to which Emily replied "oh dear, have you got a headache?". :rotfl:
LostVoodoo
27-11-2014, 21:16
Emily is on fire these days, anyone else notice her reference to Orange is the New Black?
Emily is on fire these days, anyone else notice her reference to Orange is the New Black?
Yes I did, and stepping it out down the cobbles, 83yrs young ,whatever her secret is I want a bottle of it :)
Snagglepus
27-11-2014, 23:44
Steve is still the Thicko he has been for many years now.
For a 'Thicko', as you put it, he has not done bad .... co-owner of 2 well-going businesses, several marriages showing the ladies like him and even though the marriages don't seem to last, that was not always his fault, especially his last one to Tracy
I think his acting and storyline re depression must be getting to people. Even my elderly neighbour was angry about it the other day. Her husband had depression after retirement.
Snagglepus
28-11-2014, 08:39
For a 'Thicko', as you put it, he has not done bad .... co-owner of 2 well-going businesses, several marriages showing the ladies like him and even though the marriages don't seem to last, that was not always his fault, especially his last one to Tracy
He has been a thicko since Fred Elliot left, that is when he began the silly voices and the gormless looks. Before that he was a Jack The Lad type person. He is supposed to be 40 years old not a kid.
Voice and certain looks don't make somebody a Thicko :angry:
Emily is on fire these days, anyone else notice her reference to Orange is the New Black?
I sure did. She couldn't make it past the shower scene apparently! I haven't seen OITNB yet but it's on my list of things to watch. I can't imagine anything good happens in a prison shower scene... :eek:
Emily's getting quite adventurous in her viewing habits, what with this and Breaking Bad. I wonder what she'll try next? :D
I think his acting and storyline re depression must be getting to people. Even my elderly neighbour was angry about it the other day. Her husband had depression after retirement.
Do you mean that in a good way or a bad way? Was your neighbour angry about the way it's been written/acted or about Steve's family bullying him?
Voice and certain looks don't make somebody a Thicko :angry:
Well said Perdy!! Plenty of people in real life hide behind a comedy persona. In fact, a surprisingly large percentage of comedians admit in later life to suffering mental health problems (eg Stephen Fry and poor Robin Williams). Comedy is a form of survival for them.
She was angry about how it was written and acted.
producers have been trying to present Steve as if he is stupid and others try and reinforce that all the time with their treatment of him, for example when he went on the course. I think he got an award for a comedy role in corrie recently. He was never a comedy character before. I would like the old steve back but find it hard to remember how he was. Need to watch an old episode...how far back do i go?
I agree that Steve's family and friends treat him as if he were stupid, but I don't see that he's being presented as stupid at all. I know he acts the buffoon but he's pretty savvy underneath. People tend to live up (or down) to how they're treated, and I think Steve's condition has been exacerbated greatly by being constantly undermined by those around him.
This obsession with the car is about him escaping from reality - something Lloyd even said to help reinforce it to viewers. When Steve's thinking about the car he doesn't need to think about his own life, which he sees as a total failure.
I agree there's something amiss if many viewers aren't recognising the significance of his behaviour, but I've seen many positive comments elsewhere on the internet too. In fact, I'd say the positive comments outweigh the negative.
As for how far you'd have to go to see Steve not acting the buffoon, I'd say many years. It's annoyed me for a long time that his character changed so much from the bad boy he used to be, but I think this storyline may be an attempt to explain that.
Not sure there is an explanation why he has changed from bad boy to the way he is now ... like to think he has grown up. And the depression storyline is quite accurate when I think about me a few years ago .. bits of pieces of it hit home very well .. we don't all experience any illness quite the same ..would probably be a lot easier to find a resolution if we did .....
parkerman
28-11-2014, 17:42
My wife, who was a mental health nurse and then a consultant psychotherapist, is of the opinion that they are portraying his descent into full blown depression very well and very realistically. As you say, Perdy, not everyone experiences illnesses - especially mental illnesses - in the same way. So even people who have suffered from depression might have had different symptoms and don't see themselves in Steve, but that doesn't mean it's not right for some people. His obsession with the car is a classic symptom of just trying to escape from the reality of life. The attitude of his mother and Michelle are just driving him further into a feeling of worthlessness. It will be interesting to see how it pans out and I think it is very commendable of Corrie to take on this story.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 18:48
My wife, who was a mental health nurse and then a consultant psychotherapist, is of the opinion that they are portraying his descent into full blown depression very well and very realistically. As you say, Perdy, not everyone experiences illnesses - especially mental illnesses - in the same way. So even people who have suffered from depression might have had different symptoms and don't see themselves in Steve, but that doesn't mean it's not right for some people. His obsession with the car is a classic symptom of just trying to escape from the reality of life. The attitude of his mother and Michelle are just driving him further into a feeling of worthlessness. It will be interesting to see how it pans out and I think it is very commendable of Corrie to take on this story.
I agree a lot of illnesses- mental & physical can
display very varied symptoms.
Each person who has experienced a particular
illness themselves or in their family will remember
how tbey felt and will think that typical and it is
personally to them.
Im all for awareness but wonder what impression
those without experience are left with after Soaps
dabble- without considering all options fully. But
then soaps arent medical lectures!
I wont mention the Hayle Cancer storyline apart
from saying it was an opportunity to publicise
a less well known cancer. Which got sidetracked
in a various ways and tho many fans upset-
not much real knowledge gained.
The producer has said Steves story will
reach a conclusion/acceptance/ next stage
after New Year.So quite a while to go and
is hindered in some peoples perception by
Michelle being such an unpopular character.
I do hope the story does have a believeable
conclusion - as it is increasingly a very
important issue in present times.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 18:48
My wife, who was a mental health nurse and then a consultant psychotherapist, is of the opinion that they are portraying his descent into full blown depression very well and very realistically. As you say, Perdy, not everyone experiences illnesses - especially mental illnesses - in the same way. So even people who have suffered from depression might have had different symptoms and don't see themselves in Steve, but that doesn't mean it's not right for some people. His obsession with the car is a classic symptom of just trying to escape from the reality of life. The attitude of his mother and Michelle are just driving him further into a feeling of worthlessness. It will be interesting to see how it pans out and I think it is very commendable of Corrie to take on this story.
I agree a lot of illnesses- mental & physical can
display very varied symptoms.
Each person who has experienced a particular
illness themselves or in their family will remember
how tbey felt and will think that typical and it is
personally to them.
Im all for awareness but wonder what impression
those without experience are left with after Soaps
dabble- without considering all options fully. But
then soaps arent medical lectures!
I wont mention the Hayle Cancer storyline apart
from saying it was an opportunity to publicise
a less well known cancer. Which got sidetracked
in a various ways and tho many fans upset-
not much real knowledge gained.
The producer has said Steves story will
reach a conclusion/acceptance/ next stage
after New Year.So quite a while to go and
is hindered in some peoples perception by
Michelle being such an unpopular character.
I do hope the story does have a believeable
conclusion - as it is increasingly a very
important issue in present times.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 19:28
Just a light- hearted(I hope) thought on the serious
subject of Steves depression.
I has been mentioned on this thread(Snagglepuss) and
elsewhere that after Fred Elliotts death:Steve started
using Freds mannerisms and speech patterns!
In view of the hauntings rumoured soon to take place?
Wouldnt it be great if one of the current characters
was inhabited.by the "ghost" and started coming out
with some pithy one- liners like they did.
Any suggestions for the inhabitee?
Hes not gavin oh no
so who is he, a con artist mate of real gavin
Hes not gavin oh no
so who is he, a con artist mate of real gavin
I think your right, maybe desperate mate of Gavin staying in his flat while is away as he is down on his luck. Maybe he knows the real Gavin would never want to be in touch with his dad and he took his chances. Until he found out he could have some heriditory illness. How old is Michael? He has reached about 50 without having any health issues up to now, so he must not make his so called son think like his death is imminent.
the plats gonna be conned by lewis II in gavin
Now it makes sense.....he cannot make cocktails where as the real Gavin can. Maybe he won't rip them off as he refused the £100 when he knew Michael was ill. Felt quilty.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 22:35
so who is he, a con artist mate of real gavin
I think.in.order to avoid spoilers-Ive been
too mysterious.!
Norris is going to think he has seen the spirit of
Blanche - who was famous for one liners.
So I wondered who the spirit might take over
and they might start sounding like Blanche
and coming out with similar caustic comments.
Perhaps Norris or Emily ( perhaps not because
of her religious beliefs )- funniest for me
would be Ken!
Sorry for confusion!
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 22:35
so who is he, a con artist mate of real gavin
I think.in.order to avoid spoilers-Ive been
too mysterious.!
Norris is going to think he has seen the spirit of
Blanche - who was famous for one liners.
So I wondered who the spirit might take over
and they might start sounding like Blanche
and coming out with similar caustic comments.
Perhaps Norris or Emily ( perhaps not because
of her religious beliefs )- funniest for me
would be Ken!
Sorry for confusion!
felt sorry for mary, but dev was good with her
She will soon have a partner which is great
She will soon have a partner which is great
do tell please who?
She will soon have a partner which is great
do tell please who?
I dont know who but Stuart Blackburn informed us that she would have a partner soon
I dont know who but Stuart Blackburn informed us that she would have a partner soon
i hope it is a new character and not roy or norris
I dont know who but Stuart Blackburn informed us that she would have a partner soon
i hope it is a new character and not roy or norris
stuart said of a new romance for Mary...it will happen but not how you imagine it to happen. I think it would he a bit silly to pair her off with one of the current cast.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 23:07
i hope it is a new character and not roy or norris
So do I and not an old duffer like Norris.
Roy is ok.as a friend and she was ok with
Dev.
But someone new would be much better.
maidmarian
28-11-2014, 23:07
i hope it is a new character and not roy or norris
So do I and not an old duffer like Norris.
Roy is ok.as a friend and she was ok with
Dev.
But someone new would be much better.
That was a shocker of a twist about Gavin not being Michael's son. It didn't start to dawn on me until Gavin left the first message. Very well done Corrie! :clap: It's a shame as the actor playing "Gavin" really started to grow on me last night. :(
I thoroughly enjoyed these latest episodes. There were lots of nice character moments and funny lines. Excellent writing! Even some of my least favourite characters were bearable (Michelle, Tracey and Michael). It just goes to show that the actors are so much better when their performances are toned down. I'm guessing that was down to these episodes' director.
Mary and Dev's final scene was quite the tearjerker!
Mary's story about her mother being hit by the falling bolt of a helicopter had me in stitches! The fact that the actress was struggling to keep a straight face just compounded the hilarity for me :D
Not sure there is an explanation why he has changed from bad boy to the way he is now ... like to think he has grown up. And the depression storyline is quite accurate when I think about me a few years ago .. bits of pieces of it hit home very well .. we don't all experience any illness quite the same ..would probably be a lot easier to find a resolution if we did .....
You're probably right about Steve growing up, although it is a BIG character change. Sorry to hear you've suffered too, Perdy. It seems depression is quite the epidemic nowadays.:(
My wife, who was a mental health nurse and then a consultant psychotherapist, is of the opinion that they are portraying his descent into full blown depression very well and very realistically.
Thanks Norman, it's good to hear the opinion of a professional. :)
I wont mention the Hayle Cancer storyline apart
from saying it was an opportunity to publicise
a less well known cancer. Which got sidetracked
in a various ways and tho many fans upset-
not much real knowledge gained.
The producer has said Steves story will
reach a conclusion/acceptance/ next stage
after New Year.So quite a while to go and
is hindered in some peoples perception by
Michelle being such an unpopular character.
I do hope the story does have a believeable
conclusion - as it is increasingly a very
important issue in present times.
I agree that Hayley's cancer plot had some unneeded sensationalism, which did annoy me at the time. I think I've wiped them from my memory now as my lasting impression is that it was a decent storyline on the whole.
I do worry that Steve's plot will end up following a sensationalist path too. Also the continuing martyrdom of Michelle and the bullying by Steve's family is hard to swallow. :thumbsdow
Friends and family might find it difficult at times to accept that one of them has mental health issues ... again speaking from experience .. I wondered at times whether they thought they could catch it from me ... :o
I hope that Steve's doctor will eventually get through to him and also those close to him that he takes advice and medication as needed to get better again.
Friends and family might find it difficult at times to accept that one of them has mental health issues ... again speaking from experience .. I wondered at times whether they thought they could catch it from me ... :o
I hope that Steve's doctor will eventually get through to him and also those close to him that he takes advice and medication as needed to get better again.
I think its more they dont know what to do and scared of doing the wrong thing.
Friends and family might find it difficult at times to accept that one of them has mental health issues ... again speaking from experience .. I wondered at times whether they thought they could catch it from me ... :o
Yes, I've also experienced negativity from those close to me, though fortunately not very much of it, so I think that aspect is sadly realistic.
The harassment that Steve's experiencing just seems grossly over-exaggerated to me though, given that there's obviously something wrong and that Liz and Michelle are supposed to be decent people. I'm sure that in real life some poor souls experience even worse though. :(
I think its more they dont know what to do and scared of doing the wrong thing.
I suppose that's a possibility, but I find I can't view them that sympathetically at the moment. They make me really angry! :angry:
maidmarian
29-11-2014, 19:53
I suppose that's a possibility, but I find I can't view them that sympathetically at the moment. They make me really angry! :angry:
I agree - I think with most people it is the
fear of the unknown( relative with a mental
rather than physical illness).and how it will
affect them and the family- financial as well
as emotionally and practically.
People usually have some knowledge of
physical illnesses from friends work
colleagues etc-even if they havent had the
illness themselves. Public figures now
speak about depression which should help.
I think once they know families do try to
understand and help.Sometimes those presumed
to be least likely can be most supportive.
Not sure Steves family will do that. Probably
belong to the "You need to Snap out of it "
brigade. Which there are still some(hopefully
few).around.
Hope the story continues to prompt discussion.
maidmarian
29-11-2014, 19:53
I suppose that's a possibility, but I find I can't view them that sympathetically at the moment. They make me really angry! :angry:
I agree - I think with most people it is the
fear of the unknown( relative with a mental
rather than physical illness).and how it will
affect them and the family- financial as well
as emotionally and practically.
People usually have some knowledge of
physical illnesses from friends work
colleagues etc-even if they havent had the
illness themselves. Public figures now
speak about depression which should help.
I think once they know families do try to
understand and help.Sometimes those presumed
to be least likely can be most supportive.
Not sure Steves family will do that. Probably
belong to the "You need to Snap out of it "
brigade. Which there are still some(hopefully
few).around.
Hope the story continues to prompt discussion.
The storyline has certainly got people talking honestly about depression, which can only be a good thing.
I think that Liz and Michelle really have not considered the fact there might be something seriously wrong with him, he is just acting out of sorts, maybe he is having a midlife crisis - easier to ignore and hope it goes away before long ...
I think that Liz and Michelle really have not considered the fact there might be something seriously wrong with him, he is just acting out of sorts, maybe he is having a midlife crisis - easier to ignore and hope it goes away before long ...
everyone seems to think steve has a new bird and is having an affair
I think that Liz and Michelle really have not considered the fact there might be something seriously wrong with him, he is just acting out of sorts, maybe he is having a midlife crisis - easier to ignore and hope it goes away before long ...
everyone seems to think steve has a new bird and is having an affair
I think that Liz and Michelle really have not considered the fact there might be something seriously wrong with him, he is just acting out of sorts, maybe he is having a midlife crisis - easier to ignore and hope it goes away before long ...
I agree with this, and that's part of what I find so outrageous - that none of his close circle has noticed that there's something seriously wrong (excepting Andrea but only because she saw him at the doctor's). Lloyd does seem to be just beginning to twig, thank goodness.
Still, I need to take my own advice and not take a soap storyline so seriously. :D
tammyy2j
30-11-2014, 19:28
The storyline has certainly got people talking honestly about depression, which can only be a good thing.
I do think the writing isn't great though but as you said if it gets people talking that is good
I like Dev and Julie as a pairing and hope they last, Dev and Mary scene was sad and sweet and I hope she does finally get a boyfriend for herself soon
I enjoyed Nick's little one liners quite funny just like David's are
The Gavin twist was good
This way Julie will have children in her life too. So a good move by writers.
Sally was very funny last night, lording over Alya in the factory and getting frustrated with Tim during the reading lesson. I bet everyone's experienced lessons with loved ones turning into bickering. :D
Especially driving lessons!
Especially driving lessons!
Yes, I've been there! :D
Guitar lessons for me ... did not last long :lol:
sally loves her couch (mick jagger lips :p) now
I am surprised that Owen takes on the job that Gary gets sacked from. Shame Tony lets down Liz i thought they were suited to each other.
Was obvious from the start that Tony would cheat on Liz .. no surprise for me ...
tammyy2j
05-12-2014, 13:56
Was obvious from the start that Tony would cheat on Liz .. no surprise for me ...
I thought maybe it might be with Eileen
The red sofa looked so uncomfortable! I laughed when Sally changed her mind about it being hideous when she found out how much it cost. :rotfl:
tammyy2j
05-12-2014, 15:31
Thank god this show has Tim, loving him with Sally and his scenes with Kevin too
LostVoodoo
06-12-2014, 09:33
OK, now I just NEED to know the truth about the tarantula in Freshcos!
Was all over the news!!! :lol:
parkerman
06-12-2014, 12:42
Sally was great yesterday. Definitely at her most snobbish.
Strange i thought she would prefer her as a friend rather than have her sofa. Her being posh and all. That sofa is awful. I cant remember how Sallys sofa looked like though.
I thoroughly enjoyed Friday's fun episodes, especially the Sally/Tim/Kevin scenes. That trio is comedy gold! :D
Nice to have some lighthearted episodes to enjoy for a change. They had a classic Corrie feel to me.
parkerman
07-12-2014, 12:14
I agree Dazzle. I thought both episodes were very humorous. Corrie back to what it does best.
Sally was great yesterday. Definitely at her most snobbish.
she is the new mrs. bucket :p tim is her richard
no interest in sean and maria or their love lives
kylie needs to grow up
There was some good drama between David and Kylie in last night's episodes.
It seems that Kal has a dark side then. That goes some way towards explaining why he
loses it when he discovers Alya and Gary's relationship.
I'm quite sad that Diane's made her final appearance on the cobbles (at least I'm assuming she has). I'd have loved to see her and Sally develop a comic friendship.
Sean's description of his new love interest as being high up in a global company that owns many buildings and does lots for charity was rather inventive to say the least! It looks to me like the vicar has potential to be an interesting character.
I too hope to see Diane again and in a relationship with Kevin, in my opinion they had a good chemistry. And yes, it would be great fun to watch her and Sally :D I like the new vicar and look forward to the storyline with Sean developing :)
You could really see Kylie was pregnant in the last episodes. Looked like no attempts were made to hide the fact
You could really see Kylie was pregnant in the last episodes. Looked like no attempts were made to hide the fact
I was thinking the same thing. It's ironic that Paula Lane's currently playing a drug addict when looks even more healthy and glowing than usual. The bump was noticeable in some shots too!
Given David's pretty sordid past, he's showing a remarkable lack of understanding to Kylie. He's obviously right to be concerned about the kids, but he could ensure she's not left alone with them at the moment. Maybe he'll calm down when he gets over the shock.
He might calm down but we know Kylie will leave him with the kids to go back to her life of drugs for a while
He did try and trust her a bit after she was taking Max's pills. I agree that none of them are exactly parent of the year
None of the kids have had easy parenting on the street faye, simon, amy.
He did try and trust her a bit after she was taking Max's pills. I agree that none of them are exactly parent of the year
None of the kids have had easy parenting on the street faye, simon, amy.
When Sean and Eileen were discussing his relationship with the new vicar, the track on the Rovers' juke box was Hozier's "Take me to Church" - INSPIRED!!
Just watched wednesdays episode. Need to catch up. Thought Sean was funny with his clever religious references.
Does anyone else feel it's way too soon in Alya and Gary's relationship for them to be acting as if they're Romeo and Juliet? Maybe if they'd been seeing each other for six months or more...
The family's hostile reaction may be as much to do with the fact that Gary's not exactly a good catch as to do with religion. Kal would have got to know Gary extremely well when they served in the army together.
I really like Luke and I think Maria deserves a good man. There's bound to be complications though!
zero interest in gary and alya and also luke and maria, maria will ruin luke run very fast luke
kal knows about gary ptsd
zero interest in gary and alya and also luke and maria, maria will ruin luke run very fast luke
kal knows about gary ptsd
tammyy2j
14-12-2014, 22:43
Does Steph not want Luke with any girl?
I thought the scenes were played out realistically in the Gary and Alya scenes on Friday for the first time. Having experienced it through my brothers who both married who they wanted to and we girls were not allowed to do the same.
I thought the scenes were played out realistically in the Gary and Alya scenes on Friday for the first time. Having experienced it through my brothers who both married who they wanted to and we girls were not allowed to do the same.
How unfair for you! :angry:
I can get my head around (although I profoundly disagree with) parents preferring that their children marry within their own religion/culture/race etc (especially among those who put great value on tradition). What I can't remotely comprehend is treating girls so differently to boys. It's so hypocritical!!!
It'll be interesting to see if the Nazirs apply the same rules to Zeedan as they do to Alya.
I think that Kal will see reason first, once he's got over the shock of Alya seeing his best mate.
They believe the family can only be dishonoured by girls. Boys get grief but are forgiven eventually. Having said that my mother refused to talk to my brother for years when he married a white british women. It was awful.
They believe the family can only be dishonoured by girls. Boys get grief but are forgiven eventually. Having said that my mother refused to talk to my brother for years when he married a white british women. It was awful.
Thanks Swmc. It's very interesting to get an insight from someone who's lived this experience. I hope your family's troubles have been ironed out now. :)
I did think that getting Kal together with Leanne prior to the Alya/Gary storyline was a mistake as it makes Kal's reaction to the couple nonsensical. But then Swmc has explained that the rules are different for Alya anyway, so maybe the writers did it to highlight his hypocrisy...
maidmarian
15-12-2014, 19:29
Thanks Swmc. It's very interesting to get an insight from someone who's lived this experience. I hope your family's troubles have been ironed out now. :)
I did think that getting Kal together with Leanne prior to the Alya/Gary storyline was a mistake as it makes Kal's reaction to the couple nonsensical. But then Swmc has explained that the rules are different for Alya anyway, so maybe the writers did it to highlight his hypocrisy...
There does seem to be some difference to me.
Kal has been married had children etc- presumably
with parents approval and is now widowed-perhaps
he thinks-its me time! Would he in real life be stigmatised
for having an affair after wifes death. What would
the attitude be to a widow in these circs.
Alya is a young girl who has not been married yet
and is a different time/ generation.
I expect its only part of equation but Kal knows abt
the PSTD and will have seen Gary in even worse situations
than the viewers so I would hope there is some
concern for his daughters welfare in with the
hypocracy.
I agree girls should not be forced into marriages
where boys wouldnt. One thing that concerns
me is where although the groom is religiously
& ethnically acceptable but has some impairment
or unpleasant personality would the parents try
to find anr choice - accepting the girl wont be in
love in either case- or plough ahead with first
choice.
Although its only a very small strata of English/
British society /in the arisocracy etc money still
marries bigger money and titles marry titles- in fact
its prob how they got them centuries ago. There are
well known examples in recent decades and don't
think males has more choice in matter than females.
But its many thanks to swmc for her answer .
The situation poses many questions and I hope
there will be equal treatment for girls in the
near future- but thats against centuries of
practise.
maidmarian
15-12-2014, 19:29
Thanks Swmc. It's very interesting to get an insight from someone who's lived this experience. I hope your family's troubles have been ironed out now. :)
I did think that getting Kal together with Leanne prior to the Alya/Gary storyline was a mistake as it makes Kal's reaction to the couple nonsensical. But then Swmc has explained that the rules are different for Alya anyway, so maybe the writers did it to highlight his hypocrisy...
There does seem to be some difference to me.
Kal has been married had children etc- presumably
with parents approval and is now widowed-perhaps
he thinks-its me time! Would he in real life be stigmatised
for having an affair after wifes death. What would
the attitude be to a widow in these circs.
Alya is a young girl who has not been married yet
and is a different time/ generation.
I expect its only part of equation but Kal knows abt
the PSTD and will have seen Gary in even worse situations
than the viewers so I would hope there is some
concern for his daughters welfare in with the
hypocracy.
I agree girls should not be forced into marriages
where boys wouldnt. One thing that concerns
me is where although the groom is religiously
& ethnically acceptable but has some impairment
or unpleasant personality would the parents try
to find anr choice - accepting the girl wont be in
love in either case- or plough ahead with first
choice.
Although its only a very small strata of English/
British society /in the arisocracy etc money still
marries bigger money and titles marry titles- in fact
its prob how they got them centuries ago. There are
well known examples in recent decades and don't
think males has more choice in matter than females.
But its many thanks to swmc for her answer .
The situation poses many questions and I hope
there will be equal treatment for girls in the
near future- but thats against centuries of
practise.
maidmarian
15-12-2014, 19:39
I thought the scenes were played out realistically in the Gary and Alya scenes on Friday for the first time. Having experienced it through my brothers who both married who they wanted to and we girls were not allowed to do the same.
Thankyou v much for your reply swmc.
Ive also sent a reply to Dazzle.
One question that I would like to ask please-
If you dont think it impertinent.
"shame can only be brought by Girls".
I wondered if that was part of the original
tracts or some religious persons interpretations
of them. In other religions a lot of problems
are caused more by"interpretations" than
the original teachings!!
Thanks again MM
I don't know what kind of mobile phone Kylie has but I can block unwanted callers on mine and I can put it on Silent if I don't want others to know when somebody is calling me .... just saying :wall:
I don't know what kind of mobile phone Kylie has but I can block unwanted callers on mine and I can put it on Silent if I don't want others to know when somebody is calling me .... just saying :wall:
all she needed was a new sim (new number) not a new phone
I don't know what kind of mobile phone Kylie has but I can block unwanted callers on mine and I can put it on Silent if I don't want others to know when somebody is calling me .... just saying :wall:
all she needed was a new sim (new number) not a new phone
That would be another option, yes
Girls must not have had relationships before marriage. Same rule applies to boys but they get away with it as boys will be boys and they cannot come home pregnant. i was told two weeks before I got married that I was going to get married. My mother booked the hall first and ordered the invite cards before telling me. It was a shock and i became really ill. You could call it a forced marriage. Horrible times especially as they had educated me etc and i was born here. But the pressure was immense and in my early 20's i did'nt think i could fight it. The only option was to run away but i did'nt want to do that as I loved my family. My parents thought this was normal but my siblings did not. They were brought up here too. But i was the first one they did this to. Having said that I have been married 23 years ... The first 10 were not very nice times but we are in a good place now. I would not do this to my children at all so times are changing.
maidmarian
15-12-2014, 23:50
Girls must not have had relationships before marriage. Same rule applies to boys but they get away with it as boys will be boys and they cannot come home pregnant. i was told two weeks before I got married that I was going to get married. My mother booked the hall first and ordered the invite cards before telling me. It was a shock and i became really ill. You could call it a forced marriage. Horrible times especially as they had educated me etc and i was born here. But the pressure was immense and in my early 20's i did'nt think i could fight it. The only option was to run away but i did'nt want to do that as I loved my family. My parents thought this was normal but my siblings did not. They were brought up here too. But i was the first one they did this to. Having said that I have been married 23 years ... The first 10 were not very nice times but we are in a good place now. I would not do this to my children at all so times are changing.
you must have a very strong character to have
come thru all this and yet retain your postitivity.
I think big changes can be made by individuals
making changes in own attitudes and its good
to know your children wont be treated the same
as you were.
There have been some unpalatable( by todays
standards) marriage customs in this country
until relatively recently!
It takes courage to go against long-held
traditions so its good that you did not
turn against your parents- tho it must have
been hard not too.
maidmarian
15-12-2014, 23:50
Girls must not have had relationships before marriage. Same rule applies to boys but they get away with it as boys will be boys and they cannot come home pregnant. i was told two weeks before I got married that I was going to get married. My mother booked the hall first and ordered the invite cards before telling me. It was a shock and i became really ill. You could call it a forced marriage. Horrible times especially as they had educated me etc and i was born here. But the pressure was immense and in my early 20's i did'nt think i could fight it. The only option was to run away but i did'nt want to do that as I loved my family. My parents thought this was normal but my siblings did not. They were brought up here too. But i was the first one they did this to. Having said that I have been married 23 years ... The first 10 were not very nice times but we are in a good place now. I would not do this to my children at all so times are changing.
you must have a very strong character to have
come thru all this and yet retain your postitivity.
I think big changes can be made by individuals
making changes in own attitudes and its good
to know your children wont be treated the same
as you were.
There have been some unpalatable( by todays
standards) marriage customs in this country
until relatively recently!
It takes courage to go against long-held
traditions so its good that you did not
turn against your parents- tho it must have
been hard not too.
You could call it a forced marriage...
I'm shocked that this happened to you. :(
I would not do this to my children at all so times are changing.
I think your children are very lucky to have you as a mother. :)
I'm glad Alya's family calmed down somewhat. Even though I'm not terribly involved in Alya and Gary's relationship (I don't know what a lovely young girl like her sees in him), I don't want her to give into her family and let them win.
I wish I hadn't previously seen a picture of Callum in the salon, because I would have been very surprised to see him there if I hadn't been expecting it. Why on earth did Kylie tell someone so untrustworthy where she lives and works?
The Grimshaws et al looked really silly squashed around one side of the dining table. Why do they do that in soaps? I'd rather it was filmed realistically than be able to see everyone's face at all times. It was quite funny seeing their discomfort at being in the company of a vicar though. Why is Sean so worried about what he says in front of a vicar he met in a gay club and who obviously had a lot of real life experience before becoming a vicar?
Nick was certainly very impressed with Erica (which is more than can be said for Gail :D)!
alya is acting way ott with gary she only knows him a few months and seeing him a few weeks is he the love of her life already
If he is the first man in her life that she was in a relationship with, then maybe he is
alya is acting way ott with gary she only knows him a few months and seeing him a few weeks is he the love of her life already
If he is the first man in her life that she was in a relationship with, then maybe he is
Good point, Perdy. Looking back at a couple of my first serious relationships, OTT is a very good description of my overwrought feelings! :D
Good point, Perdy. Looking back at a couple of my first serious relationships, OTT is a very good description of my overwrought feelings! :D
:o Been there too once or twice :D
Snagglepus
17-12-2014, 18:59
It that it with Norris and the telescope?
If he is the first man in her life that she was in a relationship with, then maybe he is
i think she has had relationships before after all gary meet her at a club, even if he is first she is way ott
If he is the first man in her life that she was in a relationship with, then maybe he is
i think she has had relationships before after all gary meet her at a club, even if he is first she is way ott
Yes and she let him stay overnight ...although nothing happened.
Yes and she let him stay overnight ...although nothing happened.
I think it's more that she couldn't get rid of him because he passed out rather than she let him stay overnight.
I don't know why Gary's so surprised that Kal sacked him. It was unfair of the latter to do so, but not unpredictable surely?
I can't believe that all the Nazirs are moving into that house. I thought sure it must be either the grandparents or Kal and the kids moving in, not both! Where are they all sleeping? They were living in a much bigger house going by the celebration scenes we saw there previously. Talk about suspending our disbelief!
I like Nick and Erica together. As Steph said, it's nice to see him smile for a change.
Gavin... :wub: No wonder Steph's got her eye on him! :D
Gavin... :wub: No wonder Steph's got her eye on him! :D
I saw him first !!! :p :lol:
Gavin... :wub: No wonder Steph's got her eye on him! :D
I saw him first !!! :p :lol:
I saw him first !!! :p :lol:
Meanie!! :p :D
I really don't like Gary-never have. I'm glad Alya broke up with him. Like she said ' If I knew you were the right person, maybe then..' She just realized Gary isn't good enough for her. How could he be? It's very selfish of him to go after a young ambitious girl when he himself doesn't have any prospects for his own future-not even a job at the moment because of 'falling in love' with her..! What an idiot..
Nick is my favourite..again <3 :)
I really don't like Gary-never have. I'm glad Alya broke up with him. Like she said ' If I knew you were the right person, maybe then..' She just realized Gary isn't good enough for her. How could he be? It's very selfish of him to go after a young ambitious girl when he himself doesn't have any prospects for his own future-not even a job at the moment because of 'falling in love' with her..! What an idiot.
Agreed, I don't know what she saw in him either. I don't like the fact that her family got their own way though. I wonder if this story is finished yet?
Some things about Gary are good. He can be incredibly kind and thoughtful. I liked it when he saw past Izzy's disability and was good with chesney. Yes he and his family do not have money or the best jobs and he has done some stupid things during his time. He also does'nt have looks on his side. But some of the couples they have got together have been strange on Corrie e.g Tina and Peter. very unrealistic pairing. Again i think i have missed an episode as i did'nt realise Gary and Alya had broken up! If Nick has cheered up I am happy as he has changed too much for my liking.
tammyy2j
19-12-2014, 00:07
I wonder would Anna still choose Gary over Owen
I did laugh at Gary drinking Owen's cans of beer
Also yes how can all of the Nazirs fit into Anna's house, is it 4 bedrooms?
tammyy2j
19-12-2014, 00:07
I like Erica so far
Some things about Gary are good.
You're right, he has had some good moments, but they're outweighed by the bad in my book. I don't care about looks or money, it's Gary's unlikable personality which makes Alya's feelings for him unbelievable to me, but I guess she doesn't know what we know about Gary's past. Nothing can be worse than the unlikely pairing of Tina and Peter though! :eek:
I wonder would Anna still choose Gary over Owen
Almost certainly, I'd say. Owen's behaviour towards Gary is pretty unfair considering it was Izzy who finished with him.
Also yes how can all of the Nazirs fit into Anna's house, is it 4 bedrooms?
I doubt it. The Platt's house is the same and remember the fuss over Gail having to move into the boxroom? Just don't ask how come Michael fits into that room with Gail...
parkerman
19-12-2014, 09:41
How many were living in the house when Anna and Owen were there? It was pretty overcrowded then as well.
How many were living in the house when Anna and Owen were there? It was pretty overcrowded then as well.
Its like all soap houses, they have tardis like qualities.. They also must have amazing solicitors and estate agents who are able to complete surveys, land registry ad transfers of deed within minutes.
How many were living in the house when Anna and Owen were there? It was pretty overcrowded then as well.
Its like all soap houses, they have tardis like qualities.. They also must have amazing solicitors and estate agents who are able to complete surveys, land registry ad transfers of deed within minutes.
How many were living in the house when Anna and Owen were there? It was pretty overcrowded then as well.
It was Anna and Owen, Katy and Joseph, and Faye (I think Gary moved in after Katy moved out). That was crowded, but just about believable, for a 3 bedroomed house. The bedrooms must be pretty small going by the size of downstairs.
The only explanation I can think of for the Nazirs living there is that Kal and Zeedan share a room. :searchme:
kal could live on his own with alya and zeedan they are all old enough
kal could live on his own with alya and zeedan they are all old enough
It's completely unrealistic that all the Nazirs are squashed into that small three bedroomed house. It would have been much more appropriate for Kal and the kids to move into Coronation Street. The grandparents could have visited the house often so it wouldn't have limited their scenes at all. The writers don't have any problem with Audrey living further afield, so why not do the same for Yasmeen and Sharif?
I think the writers genuinely want us to forget that Tracey is a cold blooded murderer, given her unlikely protest to Tony that Rob "killed a girl". :searchme:
I found that final scene with Tracey and Tony getting passionate woeful and extremely contrived. :sick:
Maybe its the asian son living with his parents thing they ae getting across. But the house is way smaller than last one and they have downsized and it seems come to not such a nice area as before. Pretty strange as they are coming up in the world in terms of having businesses and community centre. David and family live with his mum. Todd lives with his mum and so does everyone else by the looks of it. Julie's house will probably become available soon once she moves in with Dev. Maybe the family can buy across the road as well
Maybe its the asian son living with his parents thing they ae getting across. But the house is way smaller than last one and they have downsized and it seems come to not such a nice area as before. Pretty strange as they are coming up in the world in terms of having businesses and community centre. David and family live with his mum. Todd lives with his mum and so does everyone else by the looks of it. Julie's house will probably become available soon once she moves in with Dev. Maybe the family can buy across the road as well
Thanks. I was thinking after I posted that maybe it's a cultural thing that the whole family live together. However, as you say, they've downsized considerably with little to no explanation so it's still puzzling. I can suspend my disbelief about lots of others living on the street in overcrowded conditions by the fact that they've got little money, but that doesn't apply to the Nazirs. :searchme:
parkerman
21-12-2014, 16:18
I think the writers genuinely want us to forget that Tracey is a cold blooded murderer, given her unlikely protest to Tony that Rob "killed a girl"
Yes, it was as though she isn't a murderer herself.
Anyway, I'm sure she can lend her expertise to get Rob off on a technicality....
parkerman
21-12-2014, 16:20
Thanks. I was thinking after I posted that maybe it's a cultural thing that the whole family live together. However, as you say, they've downsized considerably with little to no explanation so it's still puzzling. I can suspend my disbelief about lots of others living on the street in overcrowded conditions by the fact that they've got little money, but that doesn't apply to the Nazirs. :searchme:
It was the same when Dev downsized to move to the Street with Sunita.
It was the same when Dev downsized to move to the Street with Sunita.
But was Dev not broke after his other shops did not do well and he had to sell his big house to pay for his children from his relationships with other women?
It was the same when Dev downsized to move to the Street with Sunita.
But was Dev not broke after his other shops did not do well and he had to sell his big house to pay for his children from his relationships with other women?
It was the same when Dev downsized to move to the Street with Sunita.
Everybody wants to live in a terraced house these days
It was the same when Dev downsized to move to the Street with Sunita.
Everybody wants to live in a terraced house these days
parkerman
21-12-2014, 17:59
But was Dev not broke after his other shops did not do well and he had to sell his big house to pay for his children from his relationships with other women?
No, that happened after he moved back to Coronation Street. He lost his money when the tram crashed into his shop because he wasn't insured.
parkerman
21-12-2014, 17:59
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Snagglepus
21-12-2014, 18:56
No, that happened after he moved back to Coronation Street. He lost his money when the tram crashed into his shop because he wasn't insured.
I wonder why Dev never claimed compensation for his losses?
A "No Win No Fee" company would have got him a few bob.
I thought because his other shops were doing badly was the reason he could not afford the insurance for the shop the train crashed into ...
Snagglepus
21-12-2014, 23:47
But surely he would have been able to claim damages from the Tram company, just like pedestrians claim and they don't have insurance.
That answers my question about Dev in another section. How crazy not to have insurance. He seems like a sensible experienced businessman that is the first thing you have. He never mentions Amber anymore strange.
Yes and she let him stay overnight ...although nothing happened.
was she not sharing a flat then, but is now back home??
if she was flat sharing close enough, even when at Uni, to meet Gary - why move back now?
my main concern with gary at the moment is that his clothes seem to be shrinking and getting tighter and tighter??!!
But surely he would have been able to claim damages from the Tram company, just like pedestrians claim and they don't have insurance.
True, as would the others who were injured and/or had property damage I'd imagine.
Soaps never do follow ups to stories properly though. Once a story's over, it's usually done and dusted as far the writers are concerned.
was she not sharing a flat then, but is now back home??
if she was flat sharing close enough, even when at Uni, to meet Gary - why move back now?
i think she just stayed with a mate that night
was she not sharing a flat then, but is now back home??
if she was flat sharing close enough, even when at Uni, to meet Gary - why move back now?
i think she just stayed with a mate that night
Snagglepus
22-12-2014, 23:16
My flesh was creeping tonight, the women are like dogs on heat.
I'm not a fan of Gary, but I did feel sorry for him when Izzy and Owen were having a go. They were unnecessarily vicious. :thumbsdow
Much as I hated the Tracey/Tony hookup, I'm enjoying watching him squirm now. :D
I thought the scene where Steve lost his temper with Lloyd was very well played. I'm looking forward to the big get-together in the Rovers on Christmas Day. Hopefully there'll be lots of drama.
Snagglepus
23-12-2014, 13:37
Tracey/Tony.
What was Tracey on about saying that was a mistake. She knew what she was doing. There is no such thing as "and the next thing I knew".
Tracey/Tony.
What was Tracey on about saying that was a mistake. She knew what she was doing. There is no such thing as "and the next thing I knew".
I think most of us have done things which seemed like a good idea at the time, but that we almost immediately regretted. Tracey didn't appear to be very regretful though.
I agree about people saying "and the next thing I knew". They're trying to absolve themselves from responsibility by saying that, but the fact is they made the decision to do whatever it is they later regret.
parkerman
23-12-2014, 14:31
I'm not a fan of Gary, but I did feel sorry for him when Izzy and Owen were having a go. They were unnecessarily vicious. :thumbsdow.
I agree. The whole situation only arose because Izzy thought that Gary was interested in getting back with her, when he wasn't. She can't blame Gary for her own wishful thinking and getting it wrong.
Incidentally, I know this must have been covered somewhere but I've forgotten, where's Anna gone?
Snagglepus
23-12-2014, 14:59
I know this must have been covered somewhere but I've forgotten, where's Anna gone?
That was a surprise to me too...
Does Anna not have several jobs at the moment? She was probably working ...
She said she was going somewhere and nearly cancelled because of Gary
parkerman
23-12-2014, 15:24
I'm glad it's not just me then!
Gary said last night that he wished his mother was around, that's when I realised she'd actually gone away somewhere, but don't remember where she's gone.
I'm pretty sure she went to visit her aunt for a few days but is due back for Xmas.
I'm pretty sure she went to visit her aunt for a few days but is due back for Xmas.
Thanks, I missed that too. It must have been an extremely quick scene for most of us to blink and miss it! :D
Does Anna not have several jobs at the moment? She was probably working ...
roy's place and the pub any other jobs?
i didn't know she was gone off either
Does Anna not have several jobs at the moment? She was probably working ...
roy's place and the pub any other jobs?
i didn't know she was gone off either
Thanks, I missed that too. It must have been an extremely quick scene for most of us to blink and miss it! :D
I must have got it wrong ,you guys don't normally miss things,...:p I do frequently...:)
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