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Snagglepus
04-06-2015, 17:45
I don't think Tracy did it deliberately, but that is not to say it was not her fault. It was her careless actions that caused the death of Kal.
The same as someone who falls asleep whilst smoking in bed does not deliberately set themselves on fire. But it is them and nobody else to blame.
Accidents are caused by somebody's carelessness, they don't happen by themselves, but are not intentional.
The perpetrators should still have the finger pointed at them though.
Didn't Tracy run out of Carla's because she heard a toilet being flushed, so she knew someone else was in there.
I wonder why Amy never saw the light when going from the toilet to the bedroom. Don't know the layout of Carla's flat though.
I also wondered why Amy did not respond to Carla calling out for her when the flat was on fire and Carla was crawling around ... surely she was not asleep through all that noise?
Accidents are caused by somebody's carelessness, they don't happen by themselves, but are not intentional.
The perpetrators should still have the finger pointed at them though.
Sorry I can't completely agree with you there.
There's a law (I think it's American - I've seen it on TV anyway) that states if a death occurs during the commission of a crime - even if it's accidental - it's always classed as murder. I think it'd be fair if something similar happened to Tracy in this case as she was in Carla's flat illegally and with ill intent. I'm not sure what crime she'd be charged with though. Possibly manslaughter?
Anyone can have an accident as we can't all be paying our full attention all of the time. Why blame someone is those circumstances? Obviously there's a fine line between accident and negligence, but if there was no deliberate lack of care how can someone be blamed for that? :searchme:
I also wondered why Amy did not respond to Carla calling out for her when the flat was on fire and Carla was crawling around ... surely she was not asleep through all that noise?
Well she slept through the alarm, the sound of the roaring fire and Leanne battering the door down too. Just a handful the many suspensions of reality we were supposed to swallow in those scenes. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
parkerman
04-06-2015, 18:37
Tracy definitely did not set fire to the flat deliberately. She ran out the flat when she thought she might be discovered and left the candle on the side. Careless but not deliberate.
tracy pining the fire blame on carla is wrong as she knows it was her fault unintentional
Tracy definitely did not set fire to the flat deliberately. She ran out the flat when she thought she might be discovered and left the candle on the side. Careless but not deliberate.
Yes I agree with you. I just wonder would or could the police charge her with a crime if there was evidence she left the candle lit, since she was in Carla's flat illegally?
There's a law (I think it's American - I've seen it on TV anyway) that states if a death occurs during the commission of a crime - even if it's accidental - it's always classed as murder. I think it'd be fair if something similar happened to Tracy in this case as she was in Carla's flat illegally and with ill intent. I'm not sure what crime she'd be charged with though. Possibly manslaughter?
Anyone can have an accident as we can't all be paying our full attention all of the time. Why blame someone is those circumstances? Obviously there's a fine line between accident and negligence, but if there was no deliberate lack of care how can someone be blamed for that? :searchme:
If they could prove the fire was caused by Tracy's candle then she could be charged with murder even though she may not have set out to kill them she was reckless by her actions in leving the lighted candle knowing that the cosequences of her actions may have caused a fire. Best practice would be to charge her with murder and possibly reduce it to manslaughter at trial. It is not possible after someone has been charged with manslaughter to upgrade the charge to murder. That is why people are charged wit the more serious offence first.
Well she slept through the alarm, the sound of the roaring fire and Leanne battering the door down too. Just a handful the many suspensions of reality we were supposed to swallow in those scenes. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
even though she had used the loo minutes beforehand!!
maidmarian
04-06-2015, 19:10
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maidmarian
04-06-2015, 19:10
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If they could prove the fire was caused by Tracy's candle then she could be charged with murder even though she may not have set out to kill them she was reckless by her actions in leving the lighted candle knowing that the cosequences of her actions may have caused a fire.
That's the thing though, she left the candle where she did completely thoughtlessly so she couldn't know there would be any consequences. I'm not trying to argue she's innocent - far from it - it just seems to me to be a very complicated case.
Anyway, I think we can all agree that there need to be long-lasting repercussions for Tracy for causing the fire and deaths, especially given she's compounding it further by stirring up so much hatred for an innocent woman. :angry:
I'm just waiting that Michelle will return and realize that the key to Carla's flat is still missing from her handbag(I assume..?!).., Sean might remember that Tracy asked him to go to the back of the pub..and would police check the CCTV cameras on the area then? I just want to wipe that smile off Tracy's face..!
sending a cheque not a good idea carla
todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable
surprised not more from street weren't at the funeral like nick, norris, gail, sally so on
adrian was too good for eileen
sending a cheque not a good idea carla
todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable
surprised not more from street weren't at the funeral like nick, norris, gail, sally so on
adrian was too good for eileen
Too much time on Kal's funeral -wasn't any central or long term character, didn't have any effect on me, just boring. And everyone against Carla is getting too much now.. Too much anger &hatred on the street at the moment..
parkerman
05-06-2015, 22:53
Agree on all counts, mariba.
deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school
deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school
So she could grief and attend the funeral ??
deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school
So she could grief and attend the funeral ??
Simon is old enough to go to funeral-or are children not allowed in muslim funerals??
Maybe Leanne thought it would be less upsetting for him to go to school rather than the funeral
Hope Todd has another permanent scar now after that thumping he got off Jason :angry:
It can be more upsetting for them not to allow them to grief and part of it is attending to funerals. Dying is part of life and the younger they are to realize this, the better. Simon won't be thanking Leanne for that, I'm sure of it.
Our kids have attended to funerals since they were 5 - but is it that they are catholics and we also live in small community where people want to show support to each other. And this is learned from young age. And also-with living on a farm and having always had loads of animals and pets, they've got used to dealing with death naturally.
But Simon is not a baby-he's what..11,12,13??
Simon is 12, he was born in 2003. It might have been his choice not to go ... off screen as nothing was seen as far as I can remember ...
Well that was a downbeat couple of episodes. :(
todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable
Yes I enjoyed Todd's revenge too. What he did was truly awful but for some reason I didn't feel overly scandalised on Eileen's behalf. I think it's probably to do with not caring a great deal for Eileen as she's too self-centred for my taste. Also, Todd might have provided the temptation but it was Eileen's decision alone to betray nice guy Adrian. :thumbsdow
I did feel a bit sorry for her at the end when she was looking at the photo of a younger Todd (and Jason). It must be devastating to have your child hate you so deeply. :(
I wonder where Todd's going and what his plans are now?
Too much time on Kal's funeral -wasn't any central or long term character, didn't have any effect on me, just boring.
I agree the funeral went on too long and Kal's no great like loss to me either, but the rest of the Nazirs are long-term characters (as far as we know) and it's important for their character development to be seen grieving their son/father. The same goes for Leanne.
I liked the scene in the garden with Yasmeen and Sharif regretting they were so tough on Kal. However, their constant fawning over Leanne and repeatedly assuring her she was family was a bit over the top. The writers are obviously treating this as a clean slate for the Nazirs to try to make them more likeable.
I thought Ken telling Sharif that he owes him because Kal saved Amy was moving. :crying:
Simon is 12, he was born in 2003. It might have been his choice not to go ... off screen as nothing was seen as far as I can remember ...
I'm sure there was a scene where he complained about not being allowed to go. I think that decision will come back to bite Leanne as Simon will resent her for it.
tammyy2j
06-06-2015, 22:17
Simon is old enough to go to funeral-or are children not allowed in muslim funerals??
Yes I thought perhaps young children are not allowed to go into mosques
I liked seeing the muslin funeral but I agree too much time was used on a character who had not been on the show that long
I think Kal's parents are being too nice and caring with Leanne, Kal and her weren't together that long, so Alya and Zeedan should be the main concern now and not Leanne after all Kal did go into the building on fire after her
Some of Todd's lines were funny but I found him very cruel with Julie who has always been on his side
I think the scene of Simon at the bus stop when Carla passed, he was angry to having to go to school and not Kal's funeral, I don't think sending him to the school was best could he not have stayed with Amy and Tracy, it is the least Tracy could have done for Leanne offered to babysit
Good to hear Ken mentioning Deirdre and his daughter's death
Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.
Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.
As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3
I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.
Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.
As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3
I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.
Guess you meant Leanne, not Eileen and Alya's brother is called Zeedan :)
Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.
As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3
I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.
Guess you meant Leanne, not Eileen and Alya's brother is called Zeedan :)
I know Carla had a couple of drinks on the day of the fire but she was not drunk, surely Ken would never have asked her to look after Amy if she had been, so why is everyone saying she was boozed up??? Are they all presuming she got bladdered at home with a young girl to look after??? :wall::wall::wall:
it was liz who asked carla to mind amy not ken
parkerman
07-06-2015, 13:32
Yes, this great assumption by everyone that Carla was p***** is just ridiculous. Even if The fire was Carla's fault I can't believe that in any normal community people would jump to this conclusion. They would feel sorry for Carla losing her home in an accident. I think Corrie portrays a very jaundiced view of humanity. It is all a complete philosophy of despair where no-one has a kind word or thought for anyone and is not realistic.
given she drinks quite a far bit it was easy for tracy to convince everyone drunk carla was culprit even carla herself
it was liz who asked carla to mind amy not ken
Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter
Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter
carla wasn't drunk in reception she was having a few glasses of wine i think
Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter
carla wasn't drunk in reception she was having a few glasses of wine i think
given she drinks quite a far bit it was easy for tracy to convince everyone drunk carla was culprit even carla herself
I think Tracy stirring up the venom towards Carla is key here. She's so manipulative she's managed to convince even Carla herself she's to blame and deserves the hatred of the community.
We should also remember that Carla has behaved very badly in the past. She was banned for drink driving and, in a separate drunken incident, mowed down Stella (although I'm not sure how widely known about in the community the latter incident is because Frank Foster took the blame at the time). So if people think this is one in a long line of Carla's drunken incidents that have led to people being hurt, it's easier to see why they blame her (when they might not if it was someone with an unblemished history).
It's still quite annoying and painful to watch though. :thumbsdow
The problem is that Carla is not sure whether she extinguished the candle before going to sleep or not and that kind of doubt is in most people when there has been an incident ... you think you know but the nagging doubt is there ...
tammyy2j
08-06-2015, 00:41
I think because Carla herself thinks she is to blame now so she may have had then a few drinks before going to sleep on the sofa even though the viewers didn't see this, she did tell Roy she couldn't remember the events of the fire or if she outed the candle
Tracy was quick to start blaming Carla as she knows it was her fault so add more fuel to the fire so to speak by telling Leanne it was Carla's fault too as she was drunk
Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p
parkerman
08-06-2015, 11:47
There's always the odd loose rock or two around in a Soap when you need one!
Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p
Not unusual to find a loose rock on a cobbled street
Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p
Not unusual to find a loose rock on a cobbled street
Carla was at the wedding for goodness sake!! But she was not drunk -what we are not shown, doesn't happen - that's how I see it. When has Carla looked after Amy previously anyway?? If Carla is to blame, then we should blame Liz as well - and how about Tracy?? Why couldn't she go home with Amy, or Ken?? Also - it was Sineads gift candle that caused the fire, why isn't anyone blaming her??The 'blame street ' again when everyone should pull together. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT (that's what everyone should think at the moment anyway..) and they do happen, every single day. If it was anyone's fault that kal got killed, they should blame leanne for taking all that time on the ladder, or kal himself who waited for ages at the balcony! Or maddie for making foolish decision and going under the yellow tape.. And fire truck took their time too.. -Very badly written again.Not believable.
And I still want Tracy to be found out!!!
parkerman
08-06-2015, 13:16
Absolutely 100% agree, mariba. This whole blame game is stretching the bounds of credulity too much. It just wouldn't happen like that in real life.
There's always the odd loose rock or two around in a Soap when you need one!
the cobbles always rock so bound to be a few lose ones
parkerman
08-06-2015, 18:12
the cobbles always rock so bound to be a few lose ones:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
And I still want Tracy to be found out!!!
it better be soon hate a drag out of this which seems likely to happen
And I still want Tracy to be found out!!!
it better be soon hate a drag out of this which seems likely to happen
mikey and eileen were entertaining "swap your son chatting you up on internet with my fake dead son" :p
simon angry little hulk change has happened too fast for me better it was built up slower
mikey and eileen were entertaining "swap your son chatting you up on internet with my fake dead son" :p
simon angry little hulk change has happened too fast for me better it was built up slower
simon angry little hulk change has happened too fast for me better it was built up slower
Yes, I absolutely agree, I know he was upset at having to go to school rather than Kal's funeral but this aggression now seems to come out of nowhere
simon angry little hulk change has happened too fast for me better it was built up slower
Yes, I absolutely agree, I know he was upset at having to go to school rather than Kal's funeral but this aggression now seems to come out of nowhere
I feel that Sue Cleaver (Eileen) was not really into kissing Michael and wanting to go further even - who can blame her ... the scriptwriters are bonkers!!!:angry:
Leanne is too hard on Simon - he's ONLY 11 anyway and just think how much that boy has got through.. And throwing that remote was an accident, it wasn't aimed at Leanne. More huggs and talking needed.. In real life, time with dad in Portsmouth might have been a good idea.
Ruffed_lemur
08-06-2015, 23:32
mikey and eileen were entertaining "swap your son chatting you up on internet with my fake dead son" :p
Yes, that was great fun! As well as Gail asking Eileen to visit Michael in hospital and giving her a big hug. :lol:
tammyy2j
08-06-2015, 23:52
Yes, I absolutely agree, I know he was upset at having to go to school rather than Kal's funeral but this aggression now seems to come out of nowhere
I don't think Simon got angry over Kal as he made a comment of him not being his dad in front of Zeedan to Leanne so why was he angry at Leanne, possibly jealous of her grieving for Kal and bounding with Zeedan, his aggressive side against Leanne just came out of nowhere
I enjoyed drunk Michael too, his outburst in the bistro telling all the truth was particularly funny
I think Simon is trying to push Leanne away because he fears that he loses her eventually as well..I mean, he's lost his mom, and his dad has moved away..He got so close with Tina, then Tina got killed...Carla was his stepmom for a while-not anymore, and then all these new 'daddies' around..Nick was there for a while, and now Kal died..And next he's going to lose grandma Deirdre..Would make anyone confused, sad and angry, so how about 11 yr old boy?! Anyone thinking therapy? Ken-the only one in that family with brain?
Probably when Deidre's death is officially announced that will push Simon completely over the edge, especially as his dad returns for the funeral and then disappears of the 'Portsmouth' again
I think Simon is also angry at Leanne because she keeps bringing these people into his life who then die..and maybe he's blaming Leanne for leaving his dad too..so many traumatic events in just 11 years..
No one is thinking of Simon..maybe he should live with his dad-or with Ken at the moment. Thats what would happen in real life, but because of all drama..he has to stay with his mom.
tammyy2j
09-06-2015, 13:58
I would like to have seen Carla keep in contact with Simon
Nick and him were close too but not now
We never saw much closeness or interaction between Kal and Simon
I think Simon domestically abusing Leanne is a good storyline because it's something that seems to be happening more and more in real life. I agree the build up was too quick though.
He did throw the remote at Leanne but it was done without forethought and he was obviously astonished and perturbed that it hit her. At least his reactions shows he's not bad, just disturbed - and little wonder! :(
Leanne's bruise was a bit over the top and must be a medical miracle given the speed at which it developed. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Ken obviously suspected something was amiss.
Good Michael/Eileen/Gail/Andy scenes. I especially enjoyed Eileen's horror when she thought Gail heard the conversation with the doctor about Michael being on top of her when he collapsed. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-rolleye-smileys-842.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)
Nice touch that Luke and Maria got back together. I hope he gets more scenes now as I think he's rather good.
Nasty Tracey handing out wise advice must have been a first. At least we know Todd really loves his mummy still - aww bless! He seems to bitterly resent the close bond between her and Jason. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-140297.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I was disappointed to see Todd back on the street..I thought he would have been gone for good! I hate to see him. And I don't care how good actor he probably is to make me hate him-he's too vile and as I've said before, there's just too much anger on the street at the moment. Everyone is angry or bad or mad..where's all the funny bits??!! I don't think Les Dennis was very good acting as drunk...I enjoy of Gail's misery though-never liked her..
luke is better away from maria, she brings his character down
tammyy2j
10-06-2015, 11:15
Do we know anything about Todd's dad, his resentment for Jason started when Tony came in to the picture
so gemma didnt tell kylie anything of what callum was doing while she was with her and kylie looks better now from gemma's rehab :p
maidmarian
10-06-2015, 23:27
Do we know anything about Todd's dad, his resentment for Jason started when Tony came in to the picture
I dont remember Todds father being mentioned
-in the programme but perhaps missed it!
In the corrie net profiles it says Todd was born
when Jason nearly 2. Eileen found Jasons father
Tony in bed with another girl and told him to go.
She didnt realise she was pregnant with Jason.
When Tony found out about pregnancy -he offered
to marry Eileen but she refused.
All it says about Todds father is he was reliable
and planning familys future.Eileen told him
to go but later regretted it.
No name is given and both sons have Eileens
surname. Perhaps Todd resents Jason because
he knows who his father is and Todd doesnt!
Another story to be told sometime??
maidmarian
10-06-2015, 23:27
Do we know anything about Todd's dad, his resentment for Jason started when Tony came in to the picture
I dont remember Todds father being mentioned
-in the programme but perhaps missed it!
In the corrie net profiles it says Todd was born
when Jason nearly 2. Eileen found Jasons father
Tony in bed with another girl and told him to go.
She didnt realise she was pregnant with Jason.
When Tony found out about pregnancy -he offered
to marry Eileen but she refused.
All it says about Todds father is he was reliable
and planning familys future.Eileen told him
to go but later regretted it.
No name is given and both sons have Eileens
surname. Perhaps Todd resents Jason because
he knows who his father is and Todd doesnt!
Another story to be told sometime??
liz needs to slap tracy, mother of her grandkid shouldn't matter just slap her
tammyy2j
11-06-2015, 14:55
so gemma didnt tell kylie anything of what callum was doing while she was with her and kylie looks better now from gemma's rehab :p
Gemma seems quite gobby but no mention to Kylie of Callum kidnapping and beating up David either, maybe Gemma is afraid of Callum or fancies him too :p
Simon's reaction to seeing Leanne pack the suitcase was very telling. He's (very understandably) developed severe abandonment issues. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/yes-and-no/smileys-yes-and-no-084887.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Really good to see Kylie back with her spark intact. I'm looking forward to seeing her and David go up against Callum.
I really like Liz and Erica's friendship.
Dev's being very cruel to poor deluded Julie. :(
so gemma didnt tell kylie anything of what callum was doing while she was with her and kylie looks better now from gemma's rehab :p
My impression was that Kylie's only been at Gemma's very recently. She'd been in London for a while so she may have got clean down there. It does seem strange Gemma didn't tell Kylie about Callum going for custody but maybe she didn't like to tell tales about him. :searchme:
my impression is kylie and gemma have keep in contact a fair bit with kylie even staying with her but could be wrong
No I agree, I think that corrie have let fans of Maddie and Sophie down a little,, there has not been anyway near as much air time as the other guy/family got who died,,,,I myself would have thought that they would have used up the double episode instead it was all about michael discovering what we were not really bothered about anyway,, I feel robbed of the time that should have been given to Maddie and Sophie and the family xxxx not a happy chappie re this x
my impression is kylie and gemma have keep in contact a fair bit with kylie even staying with her but could be wrong
Yes, you could well be right. :)
No I agree, I think that corrie have let fans of Maddie and Sophie down a little,, there has not been anyway near as much air time as the other guy/family got who died,,,,I myself would have thought that they would have used up the double episode instead it was all about michael discovering what we were not really bothered about anyway,, I feel robbed of the time that should have been given to Maddie and Sophie and the family xxxx not a happy chappie re this x
I've been surprised at how little time was devoted to Maddie's death too. Maybe they'll spend more time on her funeral?
tammyy2j
11-06-2015, 23:04
I think Jenny's storyline of taking Jack will overshadow Maddie's funeral
No I agree, I think that corrie have let fans of Maddie and Sophie down a little,, there has not been anyway near as much air time as the other guy/family got who died,,,,I myself would have thought that they would have used up the double episode instead it was all about michael discovering what we were not really bothered about anyway,, I feel robbed of the time that should have been given to Maddie and Sophie and the family xxxx not a happy chappie re this x
don't mind missing or there being lack of sophie scenes
No I agree, I think that corrie have let fans of Maddie and Sophie down a little,, there has not been anyway near as much air time as the other guy/family got who died,,,,I myself would have thought that they would have used up the double episode instead it was all about michael discovering what we were not really bothered about anyway,, I feel robbed of the time that should have been given to Maddie and Sophie and the family xxxx not a happy chappie re this x
don't mind missing or there being lack of sophie scenes
tammyy2j
12-06-2015, 22:08
I really want to slap Sarah Louise :angry:
Is she and Bethany back living with David again?
Is this the lady Dev meet in India not what I was expecting :p
I liked the scenes of Jenny with Sophie and also Ben with Sophie
parkerman
12-06-2015, 23:17
Where was Sean's boyfriend at the funeral? Shouldn't he be with him at a time like this as a good Christian?
Talking of funerals it was good to see an islamic one in the show. They did that really well. Just one fact that they had it about a week later which would not be the usual thing as they bury same day or the next day. Thats why I miss a lot of them as never can get to them at very short notice. Jenny was good it made me cry. Sarah and her offspring are at Audreys. They need to support themselves and stop living off relatives. There is only so much good will!
Coronation Street's boss has apologised for a script blunder where screenwriters seemed to forget a very significant storyline.
A plot involving the death of Kevin Webster's baby son 15 years ago was missed during a touching scene between members of the Webster family.
In the scenes, Kevin told daughter Sophie that it "must be hard burying one of your kids" following the death of her girlfriend Maddie Heath in a fire at Victoria Court.
However, in 2000, Kevin and his then-wife Alison's baby Jake was just days old when he passed away from an infection.
The aftermath of the heartbreaking storyline saw Kevin's distraught wife take her own life.
Corrie producer Stuart Blackburn has apologised for the mistake, telling The Sun: "I'd like to thank viewers who spotted our mistake.
"Our episodes go through many drafts and are scrutinised by many people, but on this occasion we did make a mistake."
Inexcusable mistake in my opinion :wall:
maidmarian
13-06-2015, 18:34
I agree Perdita -it is inexcusable!!
On "this" occasion -its one of many such.
And was referred to in this forum( and no doubt
elsewhere) well in advance of the time delay
between filming and transmission.So
could have been corrected.
If there was even a small attempt at
continuity instead of so much on
over-hyping there wouldnt be so many!!
On a different type of error- they boosted
Izzy as the first wheel- chair using character
on the soap.
But they had had Maud Grimes( Reg Holdsworths
mother in law in the soap for years!) who
was in a wheel chair!
maidmarian
13-06-2015, 18:34
Dupl
maidmarian
13-06-2015, 18:46
Talking of funerals it was good to see an islamic one in the show. They did that really well. Just one fact that they had it about a week later which would not be the usual thing as they bury same day or the next day. Thats why I miss a lot of them as never can get to them at very short notice.!
It is interesting to see the customs of religions
portrayed and a pity it wasnt fully accurate but
it did at least give viewers an insight .
maidmarian
13-06-2015, 18:46
Dupl
Is it just me who thinks Sophie, Kevin and Rita jumped to the conclusion that Jenny'd taken Jack unnaturally quickly? The only evidence they had was some missing trains and pyjamas. Why didn't they at least check his bedroom before phoning the police? http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I find Jenny very tragic when her "nutty" behaviour's toned down. Her scenes with Sophie and Jack were very moving. :crying:
I hate the forced jollity often found at wakes. I understand it's a coping mechanism but I find it very uncomfortable to watch (and in real life).
Gail's face when David told her that he and Kylie were back together looked like she'd just chewed a wasp! :rotfl:
I'm really enjoying Kylie being back. Her and David's scenes were my favourite part of Friday's episodes.
I still can't get over Sarah's relationship with Callum. I understand his motives, but she looks thoroughly bored in every one of their scenes. Is the actress fed up or is she being directed to act like that I wonder? I can't remember a soap couple with less chemistry! :wall:
Agree they have no chemistry
tammyy2j
14-06-2015, 21:08
Why didn't Michael who plays Kevin remember the Alison and Jake storyline when reading the scripts, he could have then mentioned it to Stuart or the writers, I agree very bad omission by the show
Why didn't Michael who plays Kevin remember the Alison and Jake storyline when reading the scripts, he could have then mentioned it to Stuart or the writers
Maybe he just doesn't care enough to give his character and storylines much thought (or to mention any inconsistencies even if he notices them). I'm not criticising him because I think after you've been playing the same character for decades it's probably inevitable your interest will flag at times.
Corrie do employ people to check scripts for inaccuracies so I'd blame them. To be honest though I'm a bit embarassed to confess that I'm not overly bothered by the mistake as I don't remember that storyline very well. :o
maidmarian
14-06-2015, 22:16
Maybe he just doesn't care enough to give his character and storylines much thought (or to mention any inconsistencies even if he notices them). I'm not criticising him because I think after you've been playing the same character for decades it's probably inevitable your interest will flag at times.
Corrie do employ people to check scripts for inaccuracies so I'd blame them. To be honest though I'm a bit embarassed to confess that I'm not overly bothered by the mistake as I don't remember that storyline very well. :o
Im not sure why Michael didnt remember /
didnt say- it could well be for the reasons
you say.The TV company have been supportive
of him in the last couple of years and he
didnt want to rock the boat?
As there have been 3 similar events in a
very small street including Jack & Bethany
- perhaps it was a form of convenient
selective amnesia to disguise the dearth
of new storylines by repeating old ones!
Rather than lack of checking??
Unfortunately for Corrie enough viewers
have noticed and commented directly
to the programme to necessiate an
apology. So viewers not as dim as supposed.
Dont think.they are generally - either notice
but are apathetic or switch off.!
From what I remember about Alisons
final scene it was well done- very busy
road/lots of noise and quite dramatic.
maidmarian
14-06-2015, 22:16
Dupl
Im not sure why Michael didnt remember /
didnt say- it could well be for the reasons
you say.The TV company have been supportive
of him in the last couple of years and he
didnt want to rock the boat?
As there have been 3 similar events in a
very small street including Jack & Bethany
- perhaps it was a form of convenient
selective amnesia to disguise the dearth
of new storylines by repeating old ones!
Rather than lack of checking??
Unfortunately for Corrie enough viewers
have noticed and commented directly
to the programme to necessiate an
apology. So viewers not as dim as supposed.
Dont think.they are generally - either notice
but are apathetic or switch off.!
From what I remember about Alisons
final scene it was well done- very busy
road/lots of noise and quite dramatic.
he could have been drinking or drugged out that's why he don't remember
pretty big blunder for the show and good on the fans for reminding sb and he acknowledging with apology
Why didn't Michael who plays Kevin remember the Alison and Jake storyline when reading the scripts, he could have then mentioned it to Stuart or the writers, I agree very bad omission by the show
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
Why didn't Michael who plays Kevin remember the Alison and Jake storyline when reading the scripts, he could have then mentioned it to Stuart or the writers, I agree very bad omission by the show
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
it shows that the show is on a downfall, big blunder to forget it happened in 2000 not longer
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
it shows that the show is on a downfall, big blunder to forget it happened in 2000 not longer
maidmarian
15-06-2015, 09:13
it shows that the show is on a downfall, big blunder to forget it happened in 2000 not longer
Yes - Corrie is the author of its own downfall.
I know they have to sell the programme and
the storylines and a lot of life is smoke &
mirrors.
BUT if they didnt oversell and use completely
un realistic language - viewers wouldnt be
so critical and some possibly wouldn't
remember previous versions of same story
on same soap.
Unique/ground -breaking/ never before/
actors wonderful in such a role /usually
means its been done to death before.
This time tho the story& acting will be
worse!!!
maidmarian
15-06-2015, 09:13
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parkerman
15-06-2015, 09:19
In other words, maidmarian, "An explosive story set to rock the cobbles. The lives of the inhabitants will never be the same."
maidmarian
15-06-2015, 10:58
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maidmarian
15-06-2015, 10:59
:
In other words, maidmarian, "An explosive story set to rock the cobbles. The lives of the inhabitants will never be the same."
Exactly - you describe it so.well Parkerman.
I bet Corrie never thought of putting it like
that:)
no one forgets the death of a child who would be around bethany's age, alison took bethany when her child died so bethany's return should have triggered memories for kevin
maidmarian
15-06-2015, 11:29
no one forgets the death of a child who would be around bethany's age, alison took bethany when her child died so bethany's return should have triggered memories for kevin
Yes Lizann -Alison did take Bethany when
she was a baby( after her and Kevins baby died)
As u say people dont forget
the death of a child- even though they
continue with their lives in an outwardly
normal way.
Another point re Bethany.
Her father Neil died in.accident when she
was about 3. This caused his mother
(Bethanys other grandma) to have
a breakdown. She took Bethany to the
top of the local church tower and
threatened to jump with her- so they
would be re- united with Neil.
Was talked down by Emily !!
A lot to have happened by the age of 3!!
maidmarian
15-06-2015, 11:29
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tim worried about his boyfriend kevin :p
Ruffed_lemur
15-06-2015, 21:47
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
It's not good enough though. They should take care with details. If the schedule is too busy for them, then make less episodes. More quality over quantity!
tammyy2j
15-06-2015, 21:59
It all shows that Corrie these days is filmed with very tight busy schedule which can be stressful at times-so I can fully understand that with such a long history that Corrie has, things get forgotten. They offered an apology, enough for me-let's move on..not a big deal.(I didn't even notice..;) )
It was not a small minute detail they forgot, it was the death of a long term character's baby :angry:
Did Jenny say anything about Maddie tonight?
How come jenny called rita??
I felt so sorry for the boy playing jack!! I wouldn't allow my child to film such upsetting scenes - how are they doing them??
Alya starts to annoy me now with her attacks on carla, and sarah is such a boring character, she's not interesting at all. Plus the whole custody battle has lasted too long for soap land. Brian and Ken living together is a great idea! ��
How come jenny called rita??
I felt so sorry for the boy playing jack!! I wouldn't allow my child to film such upsetting scenes - how are they doing them??
Alya starts to annoy me now with her attacks on carla, and sarah is such a boring character, she's not interesting at all. Plus the whole custody battle has lasted too long for soap land. Brian and Ken living together is a great idea! 😀
jenny called rita so the writers could involve the old boring bat in the storyline
how bad was the acting from them all in that storyline, little jack outshone them all
jenny called rita so the writers could involve the old boring bat in the storyline
how bad was the acting from them all in that storyline, little jack outshone them all
Yes it was really bad acting all around. Still Kevin has loss of memory re his deceased child. Jenny well over the top! Agree bad for the child actor. Alya needs to understand that Carla did not get Kal to come into a burning building! Hate that horrible backpacker friend of Dev. I hear she turns out to be a lesbian. Serves him right/ But she is such a user.
Snagglepus
16-06-2015, 11:12
Hate that horrible backpacker friend of Dev. I hear she turns out to be a lesbian.
They have to keep the quota up.
Snagglepus
16-06-2015, 11:12
Hate that horrible backpacker friend of Dev. I hear she turns out to be a lesbian.
They have to keep the quota up.
I hear she turns out to be a lesbian. Next partner for Sophie????
I thought the end of the kidnapping story was pretty gripping stuff even though the acting was dodgy at times. I'm glad Jenny came out of it looking relatively sympathetic. The worst bit for me was Sophie, especially when she cruelly said to Rita about telling Jenny to jump. Very christian of her! :angry:
I wish I hadn't read about them forgetting that Kevin's previously lost a child or I doubt I would have remembered. As it was it was incredibly jarring during Kevin's conversation with Jenny on the balcony, particularity when he said that he couldn't imagine losing a child.
Tim was very funny trying to hide his distress at Kevin's ordeal, and Sally was amusing with her jealousy over Tim's concern for Kevin. :D
Why on earth does David allow Callum into the house when picking up and dropping off Max? That's not normal in that kind of situation - but then we'd miss the many contrived scenes of Callum gleefully winding up David and Kylie in front of Max. :wall:
jenny called rita so the writers could involve the old boring bat in the storyline
It's tenuous but I think they can just about get away with Jenny calling Rita because she was a mother figure to her once and they've recently reconnected (albeit with lots of anger on Rita's side).
What I thought was more unlikely was Rita just happening to be at Kevin's when Jenny called.
Rita visited Kevin to inquire whether there had been any news about Jenny and Jack ... perfectly reasonable to me with regard to her relationship with Jenny ...so quite believable that she was present at the time of the phone call :)
Rita visited Kevin to inquire whether there had been any news about Jenny and Jack ... perfectly reasonable to me with regard to her relationship with Jenny ...so quite believable that she was present at the time of the phone call :)
It was a very big coincidence she happened to be at Kevin's just at the moment Jenny called though. :D
Snagglepus
16-06-2015, 16:44
As the call was made to Rita's phone I was not surprised she was present.
It was a very big coincidence she happened to be at Kevin's just at the moment Jenny called though. :D
True but it helped her having a part in the storyline http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/wink/smileys-wink-367638.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
maidmarian
16-06-2015, 17:19
t:
As the call was made to Rita's phone I was not surprised she was present.
I laughed out loud when I read this.
Next time they are casting new tv detective-
I should put yourself forward:)
Graig and his graffiti/art was a bit strange. How come he was not going missing when he was drawing on Sally's wall?
Graig and his graffiti/art was a bit strange. How come he was not going missing when he was drawing on Sally's wall?
maybe he did, but it was a small picture that time so maybe he did it in a night?
the 'maddie' one took longer and that's why he started falling asleep in class?
tim loves his mate kevin
was luke fake tshirt from a designer
tammyy2j
18-06-2015, 00:09
No mention of Maddie's visit to Jenny the night of the fire, will that ever be known now
I really miss Deirdres face and comments from each and every episode...:( At least we have Mary, she's funny.And Tim. Other than that-no fun on the street anymore.
No mention of Maddie's visit to Jenny the night of the fire, will that ever be known now
Not unless Jenny confesses to it. She'll probably never be mentioned again now we've been told she's been sectioned.
I'm getting worried Tim's fallen for Kevin the way he's so attached to him. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I know David was stressed but the way he spoke to Mary in the Rovers was terrible. I didn't think the remark that provoked it was snide in any way. :searchme:
parkerman
18-06-2015, 17:10
I still don't understand David's attitude to Kylie. He threw her out, then blamed her for leaving, then he was desperate to get her back, now he doesn't really want her again.
I still don't understand David's attitude to Kylie. He threw her out, then blamed her for leaving, then he was desperate to get her back, now he doesn't really want her again.
I think at the moment he's supposed to still love her but is pushing her away because he's scared she'll leave him again (even though she didn't actually leave him the first time). The writers can't seem to make their minds up how David feels about Kylie!
Bethany is a little madam but I guess we have to make some allowances; she doesn't know whether that kid is supposed to be a quasi brother or cousin!
Ruffed_lemur
18-06-2015, 18:59
I still don't understand David's attitude to Kylie. He threw her out, then blamed her for leaving, then he was desperate to get her back, now he doesn't really want her again.
I find it all very annoying. Seems we are supposed to forget that David threw Kylie out. So sick of hearing about her "deserting" them all!
What a nonsense episode again last night..!
And-enough about this Kal already please! He was not any central character at all! Would be far better not to show any of the family for a while rather than talking about him all the time like he was something so special.. If he's getting that much air space, I'm expecting Deirdre getting it for 6 months-and quite rightly so! Alya is really starting to get on my nerves now-although she seems to be the only one acting like she really is grieving..the rest of the family haven't shed a tear..But as said-too long now.
T-shirt episode was totally ridiculous..and oh my god, fiz is back!
Glad to see Lloyd though..
What a nonsense episode again last night..!
And-enough about this Kal already please! He was not any central character at all! Would be far better not to show any of the family for a while rather than talking about him all the time like he was something so special.. If he's getting that much air space, I'm expecting Deirdre getting it for 6 months-and quite rightly so! Alya is really starting to get on my nerves now-although she seems to be the only one acting like she really is grieving..the rest of the family haven't shed a tear..But as said-too long now.
T-shirt episode was totally ridiculous..and oh my god, fiz is back!
Glad to see Lloyd though..
Snagglepus
20-06-2015, 10:21
Why do soaps make women look so stupid by needing the tiniest excuse to drop their drawers.
Ok, so Alya is grieving, why couldn't she just smash a plate, why did she have to have sex.
Snagglepus
20-06-2015, 10:21
Edit - Hmm, I never used to have this double post thingy, why does it happen?
parkerman
20-06-2015, 10:27
Glad to see Lloyd though..
He's away for a month at sea without a change of clothes or anything and the first place he goes to when he gets back is the pub, not his home.
Where was Lloyd taken to? It should have taken him a few days to get back, not a few weeks.
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 10:34
What a nonsense episode again last night..!
And-enough about this Kal already please! He was not any central character at all! Would be far better not to show any of the family for a while rather than talking about him all the time like he was something so special.. If he's getting that much air space, I'm expecting Deirdre getting it for 6 months-and quite rightly so! Alya is really starting to get on my nerves now-although she seems to be the only one acting like she really is grieving..the rest of the family haven't shed a tear..But as said-too long now.
T-shirt episode was totally ridiculous..and oh my god, fiz is back!
Glad to see Lloyd though..
I think some times the amount of air
space a character gets after the initial
scenes of death & funeral depends
not on their importance or popularity
but on what other story lines are in
the offing.
So some stories are padded out and
others cut short. Hope you aren't
disappointed with what happens after
Dierdres death is shown. She was one
of my favourites too.
The difference between Kal & Dierdres
stories is that in one case the actress died
( leaving a family).and in the other the actor
is still alive!
When two characters died recently close
together in EE - the amount if air space
differed. The situation re actors was similar.
I do think.is was a good idea to.show a
Muslim funeral tho- even if all time aspects
werent totally accurate.!
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 10:45
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maidmarian
20-06-2015, 10:51
He's away for a month at sea without a change of clothes or anything and the first place he goes to when he gets back is the pub, not his home.
Trying for a positive post here!!
At least the costume continuity
was good??!
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 11:03
Why do soaps make women look so stupid by needing the tiniest excuse to drop their drawers.
Ok, so Alya is grieving, why couldn't she just smash a plate, why did she have to have sex.
I think its part of their stereotypical view of
female characters - no.interest in careers/
In relationships either doormats or harridans
etc.
Male characters dont often get a positive
portrayal.either.
The thinking that goes into creating soap stories
- seems stuck in.a time warp. Probably
why we get so many re- hashed storylines.
Interesting to see now, will she be pregnant with Jason's child next??
I hope not. Sick of pregnancy storylines in soaps over the last year. Faye's was particularly unbearable, except for the birth episodes which were surprisingly good.
parkerman
20-06-2015, 13:02
Where was Lloyd taken to? It should have taken him a few days to get back, not a few weeks.
He said he went to Norway.
I hope not. Sick of pregnancy storylines in soaps over the last year. Faye's was particularly unbearable, except for the birth episodes which were surprisingly good.
I'm tired of soap pregnancies as well! Nothing ever goes smoothly..
I hope not. Sick of pregnancy storylines in soaps over the last year. Faye's was particularly unbearable, except for the birth episodes which were surprisingly good.
I'm tired of soap pregnancies as well! Nothing ever goes smoothly..
He said he went to Norway.
That's not THAT far from Manchester!!! ��
He said he went to Norway.
That's not THAT far from Manchester!!! 😀
That's not THAT far from Manchester!!! 😀
On a fishing boat it is.
Why do soaps make women look so stupid by needing the tiniest excuse to drop their drawers.
Ok, so Alya is grieving, why couldn't she just smash a plate, why did she have to have sex.
It takes two to tango and Jason comes out of it the worst in my opinion because he should have known better. At least Gary had the decency to turn Alya down. As he said, she's lost at the moment. She's struggling to keep hold of her identity so it's no surprise she's letting the very things that most strongly define her slip through her fingers. The turmoil she's going through feels very real to me.
Is it just me or has Yasmeen lost her accent as well as her bad temper? :D
I notice Simon's resentment of Leanne hasn't improved whilst on holiday.
Lloyd absence very stupid storyline. He seems to have put on a lot ofweight and gone 5 shades darker. Alya's behaviour getting on my nerves.
Lloyd absence very stupid storyline. He seems to have put on a lot ofweight and gone 5 shades darker. Alya's behaviour getting on my nerves.
I agree. On top of Steve's non-attendance of his own stag night (no one suggested taking him in a car because the minibus brought back memories. He owns a taxi firm!) and sudden exit after the ceremony, it has brought down the past few weeks. There seemed something very panto about it; that and the shirt debacle. What was going on there? Have I missed an episode because I can't recall anything with Leanne and Simon?
Perhaps Steve's was due to the actor being ill but I don't know why Lloyd couldn't just go to the wedding and then disappear off screen for a few weeks if the actor was on holiday.
Perhaps Steve's was due to the actor being ill but I don't know why Lloyd couldn't just go to the wedding and then disappear off screen for a few weeks if the actor was on holiday.
Since the whole Norway storyline was concocted to excuse Lloyd not being present at Steve's wedding, I suppose there was no way to work around Craig Charles' absence. I've heard those fishing boats can stay out at sea for weeks (though I've no idea how true this is) which would explain his lengthy absence.
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 18:21
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maidmarian
20-06-2015, 18:21
It takes two to tango and Jason comes out of it the worst in my opinion because he should have known better. At least Gary had the decency to turn Alya down. As he said, she's lost at the moment. She's struggling to keep hold of her identity so it's no surprise she's letting the very things that most strongly define her slip through her fingers. The turmoil she's going through feels very real to me.
y.
Ii think you have dignified the situation with
a lot more thought and feeling than the
writers.
I accept that some people would behave as
shown for the reasons you give.
But the way its been written (and acted )
doesnt give me that impession- but thats my
opinion.
I think its just plot device number whatever
to pad the story out and have future
repercussions not a well - thought out
storyline.
Jason certainly is at least as much to blame
- but he is a suitable " free" character to pin
the story on and his ex is returning soon-
so scope for more drama.
I do think.people can behave completely
out of character at times of crisis but it
has to be done better than this.
And on the occasions when.it happens in
real life - it often is.
the actress who plays alya is a bad actress she is so bad in a league with maria actress both brutal
Ii think you have dignified the situation with
a lot more thought and feeling than the
writers.
Thanks, I'll take that compliment even though you strongly disagree with me. :D
Let's just say I identify with Alya's turmoil because I know the feeling, and know others who've felt similarly. It can easily lead into a downward spiral and all kinds of self-destructive behaviour which is later deeply regretted (I hasten to add I'm not talking criminal behaviour here).
I have to say I'm not quite so convinced by the acting though!
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 21:44
Thanks, I'll take that compliment even though you strongly disagree with me. :D
Let's just say I identify with Alya's turmoil because I know the feeling, and know others who've felt similarly. It can easily lead into a downward spiral and all kinds of self-destructive behaviour which is later deeply regretted (I hasten to add I'm not talking criminal behaviour here).
I have to say I'm not quite so convinced by the acting though!
I did try to add another bit on to my post-
but it wont let you edit again once you've
done it once- so.gave up.
All I was going to say was-
S Blackburn has admitted that the family
has not had many storylines in first year
and that would now be corrected!! And it
would be very dramatic!! I think thats the
driver- not do the stories suit the characters
and more importantly can they act their
part in them.
I think its gone a bit OTT and not thought
through. I think nearly everyone has had
times in their life when they despaired
and did something really stupid and out
of character as a result. Because that is
real- no need for acting.
Here it all seems contrived. But no doubt
another brainwave will emerge and this
will be concluded. I think when they do
this type of story poorly - it devalues
the problems real people have and can
re-inforce prejudices.
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 21:44
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Maybe Graig Charles was filming Red Dwarf. They gave him time off for Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. I think actor who plays Steve yas been ill so another rushed story to cover up.
S Blackburn has admitted that the family
has not had many storylines in first year
and that would now be corrected!! And it
would be very dramatic!! I think thats the
driver- not do the stories suit the characters
and more importantly can they act their
part in them.
...
I do agree plot driven storylines aren't usually a good idea.
To me, Alya's downward spiral's been believable so far because her father's sudden and gruesome death has understandably shocked her to the core. Since her behaviour's supposed to be out of character I haven't found it jarring - yet. We'll have to see what happens next...
By the way MM, I often edit my posts multiple times (even days later sometimes) so I'm not sure why you're having problems doing so. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 23:11
I do agree plot driven storylines
By the way MM, I often edit my posts multiple times (even days later sometimes) so I'm not sure why you're having problems doing so. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-630530.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Thankyou-Ill persevere more if I want to re-edit.
It must just be a natural talent!
maidmarian
20-06-2015, 23:11
Dupl
It must just be a natural talent!
What can I say... :angel:
no sally at christening is strange
Too many people missing all the time is becoming a problem in Corrie..
parkerman
23-06-2015, 13:15
At least Sean's boy friend turned up having gone missing at Maddie's funeral....
That counselling session had nothing on the Barlows at Peter's AA meeting. I can't believe Nick was there and the counsellor wasn't informed that Kylie and Nick slept together.
parkerman
23-06-2015, 13:16
That counselling session missed the likes of Blanche and Deirdre...
At last someone listened to Faye!!!
I was amazed Anna didn't start her banshee routine again when Tim suggested Miley go live with the other family.
no sally at christening is strange
She's in London visiting a heartbroken Rosie...
That counselling session had nothing on the Barlows at Peter's AA meeting.
No, it was nowhere near as funny, but I did find it enjoyable and amusing nonetheless.
I felt sorry for the poor, bemused counsellor. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I wish David would stop his constant sniping at Kylie, especially since he was desperate to have her home only a couple of weeks ago. I think she's being incredibly patient with him. However, he was impressed by the way she put Callum in his place at the end of the second episode so hopefully he's turned a corner. :thumbsup:
tammyy2j
23-06-2015, 15:16
no sally at christening is strange
Was she off visiting Rosie?
Nick and David acting like giggling teenagers was best part of counselling session for me
Why did Kylie invite Michael?
tammyy2j
23-06-2015, 15:40
I think David is afraid Kylie will abandon him and the kids and go on drugs again or go off with Callum, I know he kicked her out but she didn't put up much fight to stay around to be near her kids for Paula's maternity exit storyline which could have been done better
I think David and Kylie will unite down the road
maidmarian
23-06-2015, 16:33
I think David is afraid Kylie will abandon him and the kids and go on drugs again or go off with Callum, I know he kicked her out but she didn't put up much fight to stay around to be near her kids for Paula's maternity exit storyline which could have been done better
I think David and Kylie will unite down the road
Im sure they will and that they would do so
was the intention- even before they split them
up.( for Paulas maternity leave)
maidmarian
23-06-2015, 16:33
Dupl
maidmarian
23-06-2015, 16:41
dupl
maidmarian
23-06-2015, 16:41
That counselling session missed the likes of Blanche and Deirdre...
yes- Deirdre could look embarassed on
occasions but Blanche never bothered
about such niceties whatever she had
said( one of.her best features)!!
Funny she thought Gail was the drug addict
tammyy2j
24-06-2015, 21:21
Tim the voice of reasoning doing the best for Miley and Faye and finally Anna is listening to Faye
Thank goodness there's a happy ending for Miley, and at least her dad wants her (even if his eagerness to be a father didn't quite ring true to me).
Nick/Erica/Carla is a soap love triangle I'm not dead against (for a change) because it's been carefully set up over many months and as a result feels organic to me - unlike the débâcle that was Tina/Peter/Carla.
I didn't blame Erica for not wanting to sit down with the Platts all evening. Gail would have been sniping at her for for hours! Nick should have gone after her and not stayed and got drunk with Carla though. I do feel sorry for Erica though (even though she's fully aware Nick has feelings for Carla).
I wish I didn't have a fair idea what Cathy's problem is or I'd be intrigued.
Brian was funny with his heavy breathing in yogalates. I don't think Julie was going to feel very relaxed after that session. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
Liz certainly seems over her heartbreak about Tony's double betrayal. I'm disappointed we never got to witness an over-the-top Dynasty-style Liz/Tracey showdown. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-695223.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
The showdown might still come .. not necessarily over Tony (will we see him again????) but in another way
where is tony? is actor gone or off sick?
where is tony? is actor gone or off sick?
Character written out of the show with any luck. I find Tony really creepy.
Character written out of the show with any luck. I find Tony really creepy.
yes but i villains getting off free, nothing for phelan was a waste
Character written out of the show with any luck. I find Tony really creepy.
yes but i villains getting off free, nothing for phelan was a waste
where is tony? is actor gone or off sick?
His sudden disappearance at the climax of his big storyline is very odd. I think something must have happened, possibly sickness.
He'll probably be back as he owns half the Rovers.
maidmarian
26-06-2015, 16:58
His sudden disappearance at the climax of his big storyline is very odd. I think something must have happened, possibly sickness.
He'll probably be back as he owns half the Rovers.
I think you are probably right Dazzle.
I was going to reply earlier -Im sure I've
read recently that he will be back "soon"
- not on here and it might have been in
mag/ paper. I cant find it at the mo-
should be taken with pinch of salt.
No reason was given for absence- I
hadnt thought of sickness- actor due time
off?- I assumed.
It looks as though Tracys "affair" with
Tony will be mentioned in all the upset
when Deirdres death becomes known!!
maidmarian
26-06-2015, 16:58
dupl
tammyy2j
26-06-2015, 23:02
I didn't feel sad or much sympathy for Nick and Erica but I was sad for Tim tonight
I do hope Tim isn't paired with Anna who still has photos of Owen's kids on her flat walls, I would think all reminders of him and his family would be taken down, I know Izzy is connected through Gary and Jake
parkerman
26-06-2015, 23:10
So there were 20 questions in the first round of the quiz; Eileen gave 16 answers and then said they were moving on to the second round. How will the quizzers know if they got the last four right!?:confused::p:cartman:
tammyy2j
26-06-2015, 23:19
So there were 20 questions in the first round of the quiz; Eileen gave 16 answers and then said they were moving on to the second round. How will the quizzers know if they got the last four right!?:confused::p:cartman:
Don't give Norris more to complain about :p
I was shocked to enjoy Tracey and Amy's scenes discussing Brian's love life last night! They work well together and obviously enjoy it.
I didn't feel sad or much sympathy for Nick and Erica but I was sad for Tim tonight
I felt really sorry for Erica as she was obviously totally gutted to lose the baby. Nick seemed more upset he was still stuck with Erica for the time being though. :thumbsdow
I felt bad for Tim as well, but the truth is he can still see plenty of Miley (unless the other family don't play nice). I wonder if we'll see the baby visiting Anna and Tim, or if the writers will forget her existence now?
I do hope Tim isn't paired with Anna who still has photos of Owen's kids on her flat walls, I would think all reminders of him and his family would be taken down, I know Izzy is connected through Gary and Jake
I noticed Tim giving Anna a very affectionate look when they were hugging after Miley'd left. Please don't do that to us Stuart Blackburn! :sick:
I'm going to defend Anna for once and say the pictures of Katy and Izzy are still on her wall because she considers them family and not because she harbours feelings for Owen.
So there were 20 questions in the first round of the quiz; Eileen gave 16 answers and then said they were moving on to the second round. How will the quizzers know if they got the last four right!?:confused::p:cartman:
Trust you, our resident quiz expert, to be on the ball about that! :p :D
Fiz went in the Roy's with a cake order and next minute there was Alya with the girls sandwich order when lunch break had already started!!! Shouldn't that sandwich order be given in the morning-them sandwiches take a while to prepare too..They are well looked after at the factory-surprised they can get any work done from all eating!!! :D
Anna changed her tune quickly..They all behaved like Miley was taken away to a far away country, when she's actually still living in Manchester and they could see her anytime. They didn't give her for adoption.
I haven't warmed up the whole Erica+Nick relationship so I didn't really have any sympathy for Erica. Nick hadn't even convinced me that he wanted that child..he didn't look heartbroken either..!! Everything was just too rushed..
I loved Tracy's comment about Def having more girlfriends than Rod Stewart!! :D
Barm cakes or sandwiches have never been pre-ordered from the cafe, probably because there is not a big order as most workers in Underworld actually bring their own or go to their own homes seeing they live across the road :wall: I have not taken to Erica at all, with or without Nick, they were having some fun, no more, neither has ever been broody to start a family, hence both of them don´t look too upset or with the health risks involved with a 50 year old mother, I would think that they should all be quite relieved that Erica won´t have to go through a risky pregnancy - don´t understand why Nick feels the need to be there for Erica, she did not even seem bothered about him since her return???
I have not taken to Erica at all, with or without Nick, they were having some fun, no more, neither has ever been broody to start a family, hence both of them don´t look too upset or with the health risks involved with a 50 year old mother, I would think that they should all be quite relieved that Erica won´t have to go through a risky pregnancy
You don't have to be broody to grow very attached to an accidental pregnancy. Once you know the baby exists, especially when you've seen the scan, your feelings can change in an instant. That's what happened to me when I got accidentally pregnant as a teenager. I was the one among my group of friends who swore blind I'd never have a family - yet I was the first to have a baby! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/happy/smileys-happy-514478.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)
I would've been really gutted to have had a miscarriage and often worried about it, so I understand what Erica's going through. I thought Nick was secretly a bit relieved though, especially since he's in love with Carla.
I understand what you are saying but you were a teenager ... Erica is 50 and there would have been risks to both mother and the baby .. I can empathise with Erica feeling a bit sad about having lost the baby but having been given the impression she never wanted a family I can´t quite see why suddenly she is so upset, it would be different if she had always wanted a family but for some reason it had not happened so far ....
I understand what you are saying but you were a teenager ... Erica is 50 and there would have been risks to both mother and the baby .. I can empathise with Erica feeling a bit sad about having lost the baby but having been given the impression she never wanted a family I can´t quite see why suddenly she is so upset, it would be different if she had always wanted a family but for some reason it had not happened so far ....
No doubt she was aware of the risks but that wouldn't preclude an intense emotional attachment from forming. Given my experience it makes perfect sense to me that a woman can suddenly go from not wanting a baby to intensely loving a baby she discovers she's carrying. It's a hormonal thing and hormones don't care about logic. :D
My biggest problem with the scenes was that the nurse seemed to be saying that the miscarriage was just one of those things and not due to her age. Isn't the risk of miscarriage like 50% after 40 so it must be almost inevitable at 50 with your own eggs.
I think the biggest thing for Erica is that she hasn't just lost a baby, she knows deep down that she's just lost her only chance of ever having a child. She referred to it as her last/only chance when she told Nick and was deciding whether to keep it or not. Whether you're particularly maternal or not, those thoughts must occur to you if you're childless by a certain age.
maidmarian
27-06-2015, 19:17
No doubt she was aware of the risks but that wouldn't preclude an intense emotional attachment from forming. Given my experience it makes perfect sense to me that a woman can suddenly go from not wanting a baby to intensely loving a baby she discovers she's carrying. It's a hormonal thing and hormones don't care about logic. :D
I think.that people take it for granted that they
could do all kinds of things( even if they didnt want to)
Then circumstsnces change or they just get older
and they cant. Then realise that it mattered
much more than they had realised.
It does apply to women and having babies
but also to a lot of other things.
maidmarian
27-06-2015, 19:17
No doubt she was aware of the risks but that wouldn't preclude an intense emotional attachment from forming. Given my experience it makes perfect sense to me that a woman can suddenly go from not wanting a baby to intensely loving a baby she discovers she's carrying. It's a hormonal thing and hormones don't care about logic. :D
I think.that people take it for granted that they
could do all kinds of things( even if they didnt want to)
Then circumstsnces change or they just get older
and they cant. Then realise that it mattered
much more than they had realised.
It does apply to women and having babies
but also to a lot of other things.
Ive known teenagers be very surprised
by their maternal feelings when they
are pregnsnt.
When you are Ericas age -its another door
closing!!
No doubt she was aware of the risks but that wouldn't preclude an intense emotional attachment from forming. Given my experience it makes perfect sense to me that a woman can suddenly go from not wanting a baby to intensely loving a baby she discovers she's carrying. It's a hormonal thing and hormones don't care about logic. :D
I must admit I did not give the hormones any consideration ... you are right, they can of course make you change your mind and I get the door closing for good thoughts too...
it would be nice if Nick could be a Dad at some point and have his own biological child. I know he has Simon but he does not really spend time with him now.
Simon's bond with Nick is all but forgotten now?
not that its relevant but how old is Nick?
Simon's bond with Nick is all but forgotten now?
not that its relevant but how old is Nick?
Nick was born in 1980
it would be nice if Nick could be a Dad at some point and have his own biological child. I know he has Simon but he does not really spend time with him now.
True, I agree.
Nick must have strong paternal feelings as he wanted Lily to turn out to be his (although maybe it was in part influenced by what Natasha did.) I'm an only child but in that situation I think I'd want the result that was best for my sibling and for the family as a whole. Imagine the war zone she'd have grown up in if she'd turned out to be his.
did leanne abort nick's baby?
michael is a spare part not needed, gail vs eileen this time out wasn't enjoyable or funny maybe todd's line or two was best part of it
does liz's bill man own his own pub, he don't like losing to a woman
amy is so like a mini tracy
did leanne abort nick's baby?
Yeah, when they were together first time around. Nick championed that I think, I think he felt he was too young to have a baby at that point.
I am sure kylie and david were cuddled up on the sofa. Writers need to remember current story lines
maidmarian
29-06-2015, 21:56
Yeah, when they were together first time around. Nick championed that I think, I think he felt he was too young to have a baby at that point.
yes-I think Nick" bullied "Leanne into having
an abortion because they were too young.
But told people she had miscarried.
maidmarian
29-06-2015, 21:56
Yeah, when they were together first time around. Nick championed that I think, I think he felt he was too young to have a baby at that point.
yes-I think Nick" bullied "Leanne into having
an abortion because they were too young.
But told people she had miscarried.
tammyy2j
29-06-2015, 22:03
Julie's dinner with Dev and his friend who is gay was funny, Julie deserves better than Dev and Brian
michael is a spare part not needed, gail vs eileen this time out wasn't enjoyable or funny maybe todd's line or two was best part of it
does liz's bill man own his own pub, he don't like losing to a woman
amy is so like a mini tracy
Liz's man is from the brewery. Whether he's in charge, I don't know.
I agree about Todd's part. It was just too over the top, as much as Gail and Eileen are always looking for excuses to have a go at one another. Did anyone believe Gail would really risk trashing her mother's business just to have it out with Eileen? She could have necessitated a cleaning job, damaged goodwill of the business and even any of the appliances with the way they were going on.
I like Michael, he's funny at times and it's a refreshing change to see someone show remorse for their crimes in Soap.
Liz's man is from the brewery. Whether he's in charge, I don't know.
I agree about Todd's part. It was just too over the top, as much as Gail and Eileen are always looking for excuses to have a go at one another. Did anyone believe Gail would really risk trashing her mother's business just to have it out with Eileen? She could have necessitated a cleaning job, damaged goodwill of the business and even any of the appliances with the way they were going on.
I like Michael, he's funny at times and it's a refreshing change to see someone show remorse for their crimes in Soap.
Throwing a few shampoo bottles about is not exactly trashing the salon :D Michael is starting to soften again for Gail :p
Gail is just mad..! Her reaction was so over the top! Not enjoyable..or funny at all..just embarrassing and waste of time.
I was shocked that Todd still opened his mouth to mock his mum, I'm so tired of seeing him-I had hoped he had gone for good!
I do hope that Gail ends up alone, she doesn't deserve anyone..stupid cow.
Julie's dinner was enjoyable to watch. Dev doesn't deserve any happiness either. And yes-I hope too that Julie dumps Brian as well, and finds true love with someone. Maybe she'll send a postcard later-would be nice to know ;)
I think it was so rotten thing to do for that poor 'Julie Carp' and for Brian-but especially for that woman, no matter how deluded she might have been(even more rotten in that case actually..) That wasn't funny, and I do hope she'll get some punishment for everything soon. I doubt it though as everyone is starting to forget the fire...
Gail is just mad..! Her reaction was so over the top! Not enjoyable..or funny at all..just embarrassing and waste of time.
I was shocked that Todd still opened his mouth to mock his mum, I'm so tired of seeing him-I had hoped he had gone for good!
I do hope that Gail ends up alone, she doesn't deserve anyone..stupid cow.
Julie's dinner was enjoyable to watch. Dev doesn't deserve any happiness either. And yes-I hope too that Julie dumps Brian as well, and finds true love with someone. Maybe she'll send a postcard later-would be nice to know ;)
I think it was so rotten thing to do for that poor 'Julie Carp' and for Brian-but especially for that woman, no matter how deluded she might have been(even more rotten in that case actually..) That wasn't funny, and I do hope Tracy will get some punishment for everything soon. I doubt it though as everyone is starting to forget the fire...
The scrap between Gail and Eileen was funny at times but I felt it was trying too hard. It might have worked better if it was played straight.
I'm very glad Julie gave Dev a such a forthright piece of her mind. The sleazebag deserved it!
I am sure kylie and david were cuddled up on the sofa. Writers need to remember current story lines
That was strange. I wondered if it was the camera angle rather than them being nestled together?
Liz's man is from the brewery. Whether he's in charge, I don't know.
I don't think he's in charge. Wasn't he with one of his superiors the night Liz and Erica first met him in the Bistro?
I like Michael, he's funny at times and it's a refreshing change to see someone show remorse for their crimes in Soap.
I can't make up my mind about Michael. Sometimes I think he's a badly acted drip, and other times he amuses me. Agreed about the remorse though.
Michael is starting to soften again for Gail :p
He'd softened completely before he heard Gail badmouthing him to the whole street. I was surprised he forgave her so quickly for the Gavin lie.
parkerman
30-06-2015, 16:58
I know I've been in a bit of a minority ever since he first appeared but I've liked Les Dennis as Michael all along.
He'd softened completely before he heard Gail badmouthing him to the whole street. I was surprised he forgave her so quickly for the Gavin lie.
I guess he loves her and in the back of his mind he does know that she did it for the right reasons in her view ....
I know I've been in a bit of a minority ever since he first appeared but I've liked Les Dennis as Michael all along.
Me too, much to my surprise
I know I've been in a bit of a minority ever since he first appeared but I've liked Les Dennis as Michael all along.
Me too, much to my surprise
I must admit I've been surprised to find myself liking him more and more. In my opinion both he and Gail are much more watchable when they're not cooing and simpering over each other. Hopefully that phase is for the most part well and truly over. :D
did michael visit his real son gavin's grave and his ex wife, thought she'd come gunning for gail and andy for their lies
did michael visit his real son gavin's grave and his ex wife, thought she'd come gunning for gail and andy for their lies
He definitely mentioned visiting his ex wife and I think he might have said about visiting the grave too. There've been surprisingly few repercussions for the lies and fraud for both Andy and Gail. :wall:
He definitely mentioned visiting his ex wife and I think he might have said about visiting the grave too. There've been surprisingly few repercussions for the lies and fraud for both Andy and Gail. :wall:
mikey must not have told the ex about gail and andy's lies as if he had she be gunning for them and have the police contacted
He definitely mentioned visiting his ex wife and I think he might have said about visiting the grave too. There've been surprisingly few repercussions for the lies and fraud for both Andy and Gail. :wall:
mikey must not have told the ex about gail and andy's lies as if he had she be gunning for them and have the police contacted
will michelle ever miss her keys of carla's gaff that tracy took
mikey wants a divorce then he should move away from where gail lives if he don't want to see her
will michelle ever miss her keys of carla's gaff that tracy took
mikey wants a divorce then he should move away from where gail lives if he don't want to see her
parkerman
01-07-2015, 22:40
will michelle ever miss her keys of carla's gaff that tracy took
I'd guess she might miss them in time for the live September episode.......
will michelle ever miss her keys of carla's gaff that tracy took
Even when/if Michelle does notice they're gone, why would she connect them to the fire now? There's been no suggestion anyone else was involved and even Carla accepts she left the candle lit. It'd be a miracle now if Tracey's involvement was discovered - unless she confesses.
Good to have Steve and Cookie back. I've missed their charming presence. Since Cookie is Simon Gregson's real life pet, I'm guessing he brings her on set with him which explains why she only appears when he's there.
It seems Tony might crawl out from under his rock now that Liz has declared war. About time!
The fire report has already been done and Carla got the blame officially for leaving the candle? :hmm:
He definitely mentioned visiting his ex wife and I think he might have said about visiting the grave too. There've been surprisingly few repercussions for the lies and fraud for both Andy and Gail. :wall:
He did visit her, and you're right about the lack of repercussions. I was surprised that the visit wasn't shown on screen also. Why hasn't anyone reported Andy to the police? The whole street knows he's not Gavin, and he's not someone they've known for years as Gail is.
Ruffed_lemur
02-07-2015, 13:22
will michelle ever miss her keys of carla's gaff that tracy took
mikey wants a divorce then he should move away from where gail lives if he don't want to see her
I thought Tracy put the keys back?
I think Michael wants to see others in the street.
parkerman
02-07-2015, 13:35
I thought Tracy put the keys back?
When? I don't remember that.
Michael cannot forgive Andy and not forgive Gail. It was Andy who started it in the first place. But I do like the way Andy was desperate to help and take Michael in. Shows he really cares. No they never got the keys back. I suppose with all the panel and the door being kicked in the locks had to be changed. so finding old keys not an issue now.
Michaels character has got so boring ,never found it that interesting in any case . Wish Mavis Wilton would pop back for a short cameo role ,meet up with him, have the dual Mavis conversation and then they go off together into the sunset. Rita joining them wouldn't go amiss :cheer:
tammyy2j
02-07-2015, 16:00
Good to have Steve and his pet dog back, I laughed at him taking the dog for a walk with Lloyd but he was carrying the dog :p
Michael cannot forgive Andy and not forgive Gail. It was Andy who started it in the first place.
Michael had forgiven Gail until the fight in the street (when he overheard Gail saying some very hurtful things about him).
I don't think he's completely forgiven Andy yet but was desperate for somewhere to stay. No doubt he'll thaw after being forced to spend time with Andy.
maidmarian
02-07-2015, 16:51
Michaels character has got so boring ,never found it that interesting in any case . Wish Mavis Wilton would pop back for a short cameo role ,meet up with him, have the dual Mavis conversation and then they go off together into the sunset. Rita joining them wouldn't go amiss :cheer:
what a great idea. Seeing double Mavis would
shock Norris.He'd be off to Specsavers.!!
Actually -tho Mavis was meant to be a sort of quiet
mouse type character- she was more than capable
of holding her own with a sharp one-liner* when
Rita was having one of her belittling or self-
important interludes!!
* not in Blanches league but much better than
Rita-I think.
maidmarian
02-07-2015, 16:51
dupl
Ruffed_lemur
02-07-2015, 21:33
When? I don't remember that.
I thought she put them back shortly after she let herself in. I was thinking they'd have her fingerprints on them. I could be wrong though.
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