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Babe14

09-04-2006, 08:46

LOL! Lovely write up I hope that it really is going to be as good as it sounds, I don't think I dare wait until Sunday to watch next weeks Easties, cos knowing my luck my TV or something will blow up!! At least if something goes worng during the week you have three chances!!

Poor baby though, I can just see him sat alone in that dark gloomy house with the vodka and pills and start popping them one by one..then laying there motinless when suddenly there is an almighty crash and in comes Grant followed by Phil. Grant goes over to Jakey and starts shouting at him and slapping him and then yelling to Phil to grab hold of his other arm and the Mitchells walking Jakey round the room, slowly Jake starts to come round..but they need to get the pills out of him, so Grant tells Phil to go and make up a large solution of salt water as Phil goes into the kitchen, Grant brings Jake in and the brothers start pouring the salt water down Jakey's throat, as he starts to heave, the brothers drag him over to the sink where he throws up...

(Sorry going off on one again - your fault BK):lol:

Babe14

09-04-2006, 10:23

On DS there is a piccy of Jake unconscious on his sofa after downing two bottles of vodka and this is how the Mitchell Brothers find him.

Also: Ruby witnesses Jakey beating Juley up (scary piccy on DS) and runs back to the Slaters.

Juley spots that Ruby isn't looking too good and decides to offer her a shoulder to cry on. Jake doesn't take too kindly to this and floors him. How will Ruby react to even more violence?

Rubys is furious when she learns that Charlie has been taking money from Jake for her keep.:angry:

Now let me see reasons for Jakey not wanting to go on

Apart from the fact that he has just shot his brother, there is Ruby's treatment of him, Stacey's and the Slaters. So um..talk about kicking a man when he is really down :angry:

BlackKat

09-04-2006, 11:32

Here's The Sun's write up: :D

Guilt-stricken Jake is so disturbed by murdering his brother he wants to confess all to the cops or top himself – until the Mitchell brothers come to the rescue with a remarkable kind of therapy.

Grant reverses his Range Rover towards Jake at high speed to find out whether he really wants to die.

“Jake steps out of the way at the last minute,” says Joel Beckett, who plays him. “And proves to himself he really wants to live.”

Jake’s in shock after Danny’s death. He staggers around in a daze of depression fuelled by drink.

“He can’t eat or sleep,” says Joel. “He is a mess. He wants to protect Ruby, but she hates him.”

When Jake sees Juley trying to comfort Ruby, he wades in and attacks him. “Jake is really vicious, until Grant drags him off,” says Joel.

Jake heads off to confess to the police about killing Danny, but can’t go through with it.

Grant and Phil find Jake drinking and threatening to kill himself, so they take him for a drive.

Grant tests Jake’s suicidal tendencies by asking him to stand in the middle of the road and then driving straight at him.

“After he gets out of the way, Jake breaks down in tears,” says Joel. “He knows he has to go on.

“Grant takes him back home. There’s a sort of friendship beginning between the two men.”

It does sound like a fab week.

Babe14

09-04-2006, 12:51

Wow I can't wait.
Now I've been thinking AGAIN and this happiness that Jake is supposed to be getting I reckon could be when Ruby asks him to be her guardian. My reasons for this is that when Ruby snaps out of her shock and realises just what Jake is going through and that he is not JOHNNY (whose fault all this is anyway) they will have a heart to heart and she'll realise just what a lovely fella Jakey is and will make him happy by asking Jake to be her guardian. He'll have someone to look after again. This time though he'll have someone looking out for him too the Mitchell boys, esp. Grant and also hopefully Pat and the Wicks clan will take him in hand too and I'm hoping that all this will be the start of a happy time for Jakey of course with lots of drama.

I'm hoping that Grant will be sticking around he'll be good for Jake, they will work well together. When someone saves someones life, here we have Jake saving Grants life and Grant saving Jake's, clean slate, more often than not a very close and loyal friendship develops shortly afterwards.

Have you noticed that "they" are making us love Jake more and more, if that's at all poss. and even putting the Mitchells back in our good books!!

Babe14

09-04-2006, 12:54

I've noticed that for once all the mags, write ups and even the tabloids are writing the same stuff which makes a change..

BlackKat

09-04-2006, 13:25

I don't think Ruby does ask Jake - it might be Johnny that decides that. The episode where she gets angry about Charlie accepting Jake's money is the episode after Jake gets named as her guardian. The episode she gets angry is also the one one of the mags had the snippet of "Jake and Ruby turn over a new leaf." I'm thinking she's not happy at first, and even less happy about the money, but then she goes to confront Jake but they end up sorting things out, hence the "turning over a new leaf."

The Radio Times description for the eppy say Ruby also makes a decision about the future of the club -- whether she sells it or keeps it, I don't know. :searchme:

To be honest, I'm not convinced that Jake having guardianship of Ruby is a good thing for him. In the short-term it is, he'll have something to keep him going and for him to focus on. He's less likely to backslide back into depression if he feels he "has" to stay around and take care of Ruby. However, long-term, he has to get out of this thing of looking after people. It's not healthy at all.

I'm hoping that Grant will be sticking around he'll be good for Jake, they will work well together. When someone saves someones life, here we have Jake saving Grants life and Grant saving Jake's, clean slate, more often than not a very close and loyal friendship develops shortly afterwards.

I think a Grant and Jake friendship has huge potential. Like you said, there's almost a ready made bond solely from the fact that they've saved each others lives -- even if Jake would have survived the overdose even without the Mitchells intervention, by driving the car at him and proving that Jake does want to live, Grant is essentially saving his life.

Babe14

10-04-2006, 10:03

With Jake I think it is a defo a case of him having to have someone to look after it is his security, safety net. With Danny gone now I think part of the problem is that he is panicking as he has no one to look after hence the reason he is focusing on Ruby, he prob sees her as his security/safety net.

The reason I can see why Jake has to have someone to look after is because of his "unloved" childhood he needs someone to cling to. (What he really needs is a loving girlfriend.)

Personally I think it is sweet how Jake likes to care for people but he has to remember to care for himself too and have a life of his own. With Ruby I don't want it to be a Danny repetition, just a healthy normal bruv/sis relationship.

Ruby is annoying me right now especially after the sleepwalking incident, mean exactly what did Jake do wrong? Loved the way he was telling Grant all about it in the caf and loved Grant's reassuring words. He needs Grant, Jake needs someone to talk to. I think Grant could help Jake to be "less" caring for other people and take care of himself more.

Now I watched the omnibus yesterday and have seen exactly what happened last week. If Jake was to become Ruby's guardian, then she would prob move in with him which would solve Jake's financial situation. The way I see it at the mo is that Jake has no income as he has given all his wages, 500.00 (which won't get you very far anyway espec. in London) and will be continuing to to Ruby, which means zero income for Jake. Now with Ruby living with him he wouldn't need to give her the money as he would be buying food etc for her and in return she could help around the house and cook for him.

The only other source of income I can see Jakey having at the mo is from the stall which Deano (Who I now find very annoying along with Dawn) is supposed to be running. Still Jakey is very good at living on fresh air, remember when he came back to the Square after the "Danny/Jake exit" No money, no job but lots of lovely new clothes, same when he lost Chrissie's bail money!!!

Obviously Jake isn't thinking straight at the mo, so maybe when he starts to come round things will change and he'll start being a bit more sensible about things.

Joel of course was absolutely amazing last week and think is going to be even more so this week. Bless, he is so adorable.

Now I know Jake is traumatised right now but god there were some really sexy and lovely shots of him. I liked the kitchen one with Pat he looked lovely and his hair was sort of spiked again and I loved that top from the way the shot was taken it almost looked as though Jakey was topless....

diamond1

10-04-2006, 11:17

i cant understand it the mitchells save jake from suicide?

what about saint sonia surely if she can bore us with her 5 minute speech about JACK THE WAR HERO who appeared in the pub once ot twice a year in 2004 and then in 2005 gave us her "mum of the year who was hard done by so she gave it up for adoption and didnt stop moaning about it only to marry her finacees killer only to get little rebecca back and then finally turn into a lesbian" award -then perhaps she could do her nurse bit and help out. im only saying this because with the amount of screen time she gets if jake was in half those scenes then he would be a central character.

going back yeah i like the grant/jake friendship its gonna be good only wish dawn and jake would have that realtionshop and that would be good, think about it dawn nursing a depressed jake back to mental health at pats house and when thats happened then one day on a saturday afternoon best buddy grant bringing round the beers to watch the world cup with phil minty and the others coming round with the pizza's.

oh wait this is eastenders.....sorry thats NEVER gonna happen.

this protection thing of ruby wont last long if it does then for jakes sake suicide IS the answer

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 11:33

With Jake I think it is a defo a case of him having to have someone to look after it is his security, safety net. With Danny gone now I think part of the problem is that he is panicking as he has no one to look after hence the reason he is focusing on Ruby, he prob sees her as his security/safety net.

The reason I can see why Jake has to have someone to look after is because of his "unloved" childhood he needs someone to cling to. (What he really needs is a loving girlfriend.)

Personally I think it is sweet how Jake likes to care for people but he has to remember to care for himself too and have a life of his own. With Ruby I don't want it to be a Danny repetition, just a healthy normal bruv/sis relationship.

The magazines also make it sound like it’s a case of redemption for Jake – he feels like he failed in keeping Danny safe, which is what he’s being doing all his life. He also “failed” to “save” Chrissie. So I think he’s thinking that if he can look after Ruby and do it right this time it’ll somehow make up for having failed before. I mean, obviously that’s crazy because Danny and Chrissie were responsible for their own actions (Chrissie more than Danny of course) and Jake did the best he could be expected to, especially in Danny’s case. Not to mention putting the pressure of needing forgiveness from Ruby onto Ruby’s shoulders, when Ruby had nothing to do with Jake&Danny, is unfair on her (can’t believe I’m on Ruby’s side for once.) But, like you say, Jake isn’t exactly thinking straight at the minute.

Now I watched the omnibus yesterday and have seen exactly what happened last week. If Jake was to become Ruby's guardian, then she would prob move in with him which would solve Jake's financial situation. The way I see it at the mo is that Jake has no income as he has given all his wages, 500.00 (which won't get you very far anyway espec. in London) and will be continuing to to Ruby, which means zero income for Jake. Now with Ruby living with him he wouldn't need to give her the money as he would be buying food etc for her and in return she could help around the house and cook for him.

I think Jake got a grand in wages, and only gave half for Ruby. So he does still have some money left over, but like you said, it probably won’t get him very far. I’m guessing he’s not paying rent right now, which I suppose is a plus.

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 11:42

i cant understand it the mitchells save jake from suicide?

what about saint sonia surely if she can bore us with her 5 minute speech about JACK THE WAR HERO who appeared in the pub once ot twice a year in 2004 and then in 2005 gave us her "mum of the year who was hard done by so she gave it up for adoption and didnt stop moaning about it only to marry her finacees killer only to get little rebecca back and then finally turn into a lesbian" award -then perhaps she could do her nurse bit and help out. im only saying this because with the amount of screen time she gets if jake was in half those scenes then he would be a central character.

But would we be able to watch those scenes without being blinded by the hate? The way Sanctimonious Sonia is at the moment she’s more likely to drive Jake towards suicide, not away from it.

this protection thing of ruby wont last long if it does then for jakes sake suicide IS the answer

Hmm…I suppose after the way he’s reacted to killing Danny, another murder would be out of the question. Shame. :p

diamond1

10-04-2006, 12:11

looking at it your right. sonia and ruby(!!!!!!!) together would be enough to drive ghandi towards violence so perhaps jake is better off on his own.

im not blinded by hate when i see sonia i actually really respect sonia.....she cured me of insomnia everytime she has a scene i fall asleep.i think ruby feels the same i mean she does fall asleep alot when she walks-maybe sonia stopped to say hello well only a year left of sonia...before she joins casualty or the bill.

ok enough of the insults (natalie cassidy hasnt actually done anything to me to warrant this)

but naomi......

thinking about it the grant/jake theroy sounds pretty good eastenders has to accept the world cup so i can see jake grant and phil all sitting round the vic drinkign lagers while minty,garry and all the others join round the festivites as this year there is no fairground disaster there should be a reason to celebrate

but theres a thought major disaster in the sqaure jake saves the day...theres enough redemption in that

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 12:19

but theres a thought major disaster in the sqaure jake saves the day...theres enough redemption in that

What if he shoved both Sonia and Ruby under a train, thus saving both the Square and the audience from hours of boredom and anger. There'd be redemption in that as well. :lol:

He really should have let Ruby sleepwalk under a car. He'd have probably got more thanks for it, seeing as apparently the Slaters don't like him rescuing her from kidnap, death or worse.

Having thought about it, I can totally understand the Slaters reaction. Maybe when they realised Ruby had gone they thought they'd finally got rid of her. :lol:

Babe14

10-04-2006, 12:40

The magazines also make it sound like it’s a case of redemption for Jake – he feels like he failed in keeping Danny safe, which is what he’s being doing all his life. He also “failed” to “save” Chrissie. So I think he’s thinking that if he can look after Ruby and do it right this time it’ll somehow make up for having failed before. I mean, obviously that’s crazy because Danny and Chrissie were responsible for their own actions (Chrissie more than Danny of course) and Jake did the best he could be expected to, especially in Danny’s case. Not to mention putting the pressure of needing forgiveness from Ruby onto Ruby’s shoulders, when Ruby had nothing to do with Jake&Danny, is unfair on her (can’t believe I’m on Ruby’s side for once.) But, like you say, Jake isn’t exactly thinking straight at the minute.

Maybe then Jake has been mentally scared from his childhood too and he needs to be forgiven and to succeed, but all he can see that he is doing is failing. Maybe the dad made him feel this way and taunted with taunts of "your useless" "you'll always be a failure" or something like that and maybe he even made Jake beg for his forgiveness after beating him for no reason what so ever.

(Just to mention I think that the "Daddy" storyline could still work) If it is Johnny who gives guardian ship of Ruby to Jake then it makes me think that there could definitely be more to Jake/Johnny's realtionship than we may know. Mean just look at all the bad feeling between them, everything Johnny has done to Jake (for example destroyed him practially) why would he entrust Ruby's safety to Jake??

I think Jake got a grand in wages, and only gave half for Ruby. So he does still have some money left over, but like you said, it probably won’t get him very far. I’m guessing he’s not paying rent right now, which I suppose is a plus.

Sorry my mistake (obviously didn't have the hearing aid turned up!!:lol: ) to be honest I thought the wodge of cash Pat gave Jake looked far more than 500 quid!! Plus I thought stingy bag only paying him 500 a month.
Pat and Jake is another "relationship" which must be. Maybe Jake will tell pat what happened eventually. I was comparing all this with the Andy storyline, then Jake had to deal with it all by himself but this time around he has Grant obviously, Ruby maybe and hopefully eventually Pat whom can off load some of his guilt on, so to speak. I like the Wicks family (apart from Deano)

Yes I'm guessing to that now Johnny is out of the piccy Jake won't worry about the rent only the necessities (whic at the mo is beer, beer and more beer..ah bless:crying: ) I really just felt like giving him a hug and cuddling him better:love:

I'm glad that he didn't give ALL the money to Ruby, I thought oh Jakey what are you doing giving everything to her and having nothing for yourself and then thought maybe that's what he feels he deserves..

diamond1

10-04-2006, 12:42

Babe14

10-04-2006, 12:53

i totally understand the slaters frustrations having to hear that baby whinge all day and all night that must be hard....and also having little freddie up all hours dont help matters!

ruby sleepwalking under a car im sorry but that is a little wrong to say.... i mean after all she has put us as viewers through a car is too painless for her i would suggest a tractor or a tank.

i made a error in my last post there is a disaster in eastenders there is actually TWO....sonia and naomi.

in fact walford is a dangerous place forget your psycho ex husbands and cartoon gangsters there are two nurses in walford intent on mass murder

maybe jake is safer living is that house all by his self theres no way he can possibly survive going out.its no wonder jakes depressed he has had so much time living in his house waiting for a storyline while st.sonia and ruby have filled our tv's.

:rotfl: :rotfl: you and BK are cracking me up!

Sonia and Naomi are a waste of space (I like Nat Cassidy she is a brilliant actress) Martin/Sonia scenario got on my nerves too as it became so repetitive, they are better apart.

Naomi is a waste of space and there is no potential for her characer. IMO oh and when she leaves she can take Burt with her too.

I really hope that Jake is going to become more central now that he is becoming involved with two of the main families who dominate our screen, the Mitchells and Wicks. O.k he has been involved in the big storylines but only as a wallflower in the first and that is why it was nice this time for Jake to actually have his own storyline spin off from the Johnny/Phil feud. When Jake is on our screen the character just goes from strength to strength and for this to be maintained "Jake" does need to have his fair share of the action.

Home and Away and Emmerdale have got it right as far as Equal storyline time goes for the actors/actresses/characters.

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 12:56

I agree about his house by the way (I think you mention a couple of pages back that it's depressing) It really is. I think the problem is the flowery wallpaper (yes, really.) I mean it was fine when Nana was alive because it's the sort of thing she'd like, and I can imagine them having the house as Nana's house and the "boys" coming and going (I really miss Nana referring to them all as "her boys. :( ).

Anyway, but now it's not Nana's house anymore or even Alfie's, yet there's nothing there that makes it "Jake's house." He either needs to redecorate and make it more "his" or find somewhere else to live. I do like him in that house though, so I think it would be better for him to just redecorate a bit and get rid of the horrendous wallpaper. Y'know, once he's over his emotional trauma.

diamond1

10-04-2006, 13:15

yeah not only that the house is haunted

its true its janines old house so that could mean barrys ashes are still in there we know dannys clothes still are under the stairs who knows nana could still be under there?alfies shirts are in there still lord knows there scary enough

this reminds of that death map thing on ee's website

and babe14 yeah i think if nat cassidy read this she would hunt me down and slap me silly no offense to her i hear shes really nice and down to earth she dont deserve it

but naomi............. :wall: :angry: :wall:

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 20:49

I really like that brown jacket. Like really. *is shallow* I will never again be satisfied with the dark blue pinstripe jacket :( ...brown all the way. :wub:

Aw, he was all hyper at the beginning. It was sort of cute, even if it was "covering my depression by being overly happy."

He's getting quite violent though -- grabbing Stacey tonight, the pic of tomorrows eppy that's on the website, and beating up Juley. I think he's losing control at the moment, whereas before he's been able to keep a lid on things. However he is quite brutal under the surface -- I remember him grabbing Chrissie a couple of times, not overly hard but still...

I don't get why he snapped at Grant when he was fine with him on Thursday though. I mean I can understand not wanting to see Grant cos it reminds him of what happened...but you'd expect him to consistently not want to see him. Not cosy chats one day then snapping at him the next. :searchme:

And lord, was that conversation with Charlie anviliscious. I mean, did you all get that when Jake said "he" he wasn't actually talking about Johnny, he was talking about himself. Because I didn't think that was made too obvious at all. :lol: Good because it let us see what's going on in Jake's head, but...it could have been a little more subtle. :p

littlemo

10-04-2006, 21:09

He's getting quite violent though -- grabbing Stacey tonight, the pic of tomorrows eppy that's on the website, and beating up Juley. I think he's losing control at the moment, whereas before he's been able to keep a lid on things. However he is quite brutal under the surface -- I remember him grabbing Chrissie a couple of times, not overly hard but still...

Yeah that bit with him grabbing Stacey was a bit full on! I can understand her getting on his nerves, but she is only trying to be a good friend to Ruby. You've got to admit Ruby's behaviour towards Jake is very suspicious. For someone who doesn't know what's going on, you'd be jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

That bit with Stacey felt like a 'Kat' moment to me. She just brushes her self off, and get's back to the badgering. It's like nothing phases her! Classic Slater style! lol.

Wonder what Bradley would have to say about it if he found out?!

BlackKat

10-04-2006, 21:17

Yeah that bit with him grabbing Stacey was a bit full on! I can understand her getting on his nerves, but she is only trying to be a good friend to Ruby. You've got to admit Ruby's behaviour towards Jake is very suspicious. For someone who doesn't know what's going on, you'd be jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

That bit with Stacey felt like a 'Kat' moment to me. She just brushes her self off, and get's back to the badgering. It's like nothing phases her! Classic Slater style! lol.

Wonder what Bradley would have to say about it if he found out?!

It's not about her getting on his nerves though -- people have got on his nerves before. Danny did nothing but get on his nerves, but he hardly ever reacted like that, and if he did it was an attempt to get Danny to calm down. So it's nothing to do with Stacey, and all to do with Jake losing control.

Stacey needs to back the hell off anyway. Last week in the caf when she said Jake "looked really damaged..not." How the hell would she know? Fine, tell Jake to stay away from Ruby, but she has no right to just expect Jake to tell her everything that happened like it's any of her business.

littlemo

10-04-2006, 21:28

Stacey needs to back the hell off anyway. Last week in the caf when she said Jake "looked really damaged..not." How the hell would she know? Fine, tell Jake to stay away from Ruby, but she has no right to just expect Jake to tell her everything that happened like it's any of her business.

Yeah I agree, it's none of Stacey's business what happened in Essex. But she's a typical Slater isn't she?! Just like Kat! lol. And if a friend or family member is hurt, they think it's up to them to find out what's happened and 'sort it out!' lol.

Stacey's one of my favourite characters, so I find it difficult to pass judgement. I think she'd be a good friend to have!

soapyclean

11-04-2006, 09:12

Jake grabbing her, was his nerves wound up so much from her badgering, he'd just killed his brother. He also found out he was the one who killed Dennis, he doesn't want any of that coming out. Ruby acting like she does, she's thinking he's like her dad when he's not, its hard for her as well cos she knows what happened until Jake got back and didn't tell her he'd killed his brother.

Stacey should respect Ruby's wishes and keep her big nose out of what doesn't concern her, if and when Ruby wants to tell then she can say something.

Babe14

11-04-2006, 11:22

Oh no Jake's turning into Danny! Re the way he sat on the bench in the square just watching Ruby and the look on his face..scary

I see Jake has been shopping again and brought himself a lovely *Thud* brown pinstripe Jacket now to add to his collection of Pins, so far he has a navy one, black and now a brown one...yum. Blue (shirt) and brown are really his colours he looked very sexy last night (oh and purple)

I am loving Jakey even more now I just love his brutal streak, the anger and dark side which is coming out. The scene in the bookies with Stacey was great she really is being a cow to him, but there again she wants to know what is up with "St Ruby" You could see real anger on Jake's face. Liked it in the Vic when Charlie was talking to him and yes BK I got the fact too that Jake was talking about himself, where Jake just got up and started to walk away then turned round to Charlie and said "Oh sorry have you finished" then at the end when Charlie said about Ruby and Jake went stay away, stay away. Don't worry she won't even know I'm there.

Jake really has lost it and lke Stacey said going off his rocker, but is it any wonder? Mean he shot his brother, Ruby is being a total cow, along with Stacey and Charlie and every time he sees Grant he sees Danny and all this on top of everything else which has happened to him lately. I suppose with Ruby it is the same every time she sees Jake it reminds her of Johnny. She ws a right cow to Jake when he was just trying to get on with things and he made the mistake of mentioning the word normal to her, Ruby just rubbed salt further into the wound by reminding Jake that nothing would be normal again.

Loved the first Jake scene with Pat when he was flirting with her and trying to get on with things. Hate Charlie, Stacey and Ruby for pushing him further over the edge and into total darkness. Thank god Grant saves him and hopefully when this happens Jake will lose this "Unhealthy" obsession he has with Ruby and will return to being Jake (by getting Danny out of his body!!!)and have a normal healthy relationship with her where he can care for her but each lead their own lives.

As for Joel - Amazing, amazing, amazing.

Babe14

11-04-2006, 11:28

Forgoet to mention I'm loving his hair at the mo, epec lsat night with all those waves..*Um* *yum*

Rach33

11-04-2006, 18:23

I thought Joel Beckett's performance last night was outstanding and he looked totally divine in his suit yumme and his hair your right is great too

BlackKat

11-04-2006, 20:15

Joel = Amazing. Just fantastic. To have Jake as a complete lunatic, quite creepy, yet still show above it all that he's hurting so much is just...brilliant.

Like I said, slightly creepy with Ruby and the invading of personal space (not as creepy as pervy Danny of course). For once I am actually understanding of Ruby -- on one hand I'm asking why Jake doesn't just say "I shot Danny because he had a gun to Grant's head." But if Ruby doesn't know that and with the obsessiveness I can understand her not wanting Jake near her.

Jake...oh, wow. That scene with Ben, saying his big brother would take care of him. And the scene before that when he was so good with Ben and then Pat had to go and mention Danny. (Side note -- Jake would make such a good dad. When he's not crazy of course.) And the scene with Grant, and the end and the scenes with Pat and everything and...just fantastic. *is slightly stunned...may come back tomorrow with more coherant comments*

Edit: Forgot to mention. Did not like Grant acting like Jake was a child throwing a tantrum. I can understand it from Pat because she doesn't know what's going on. But Grant knows what happened, knows Jake saved his life at the expense of Danny's, but doesn't seem to understand just what that has cost Jake. Yeah, Jake did the right thing...but his little brother is dead at his own hand. He's not only got to deal with the fact that Danny is dead, who despite everything was still his brother, but the fact that it was Jake that shot him. I hope Grant's more understanding on Thursday's ep -- hopefully he will be when he sees the state Jake's in. :crying:

Dutchgirl

11-04-2006, 20:27

Joel = Amazing. Just fantastic. To have Jake as a complete lunatic, quite creepy, yet still show above it all that he's hurting so much is just...brilliant.

My thoughts exactly he was brilliant tonight!

BlackKat

12-04-2006, 09:40

From the Digital Spy spoilers:

Thursday, April 20
Jake is told that he has power of attorney over Johnny's estate until Ruby turns 18. How will she take the news?

Friday, April 21
An embarrassed Jane avoids Grant like the plague while Jake has a proposition for him. Ruby finally sees sense where the monetary situation is concerned.

It was mentioned in the mags that Grant gets a job offer, and from the PO spoilers for the following week it sounds like Grant is involved in Scarlet’s (Jane goes there to look for him).

So to me it sounds like Grant is either running or working at Scarlets. Obviously Ruby will own Johnny’s estate, but Jake has control over it until she’s 18. I hope Jake will be involved in the club as well though, maybe him and Grant running it together like Babe14 suggested?

I wonder why Johnny gives Jake power of attorney? Surely Ruby does have some other family – maybe on her mother’s side. I think out of everyone in Walford, Jake would be the one Johnny would trust to take care of her, but why does it have to be someone in Walford – I’d have thought Johnny would want Ruby well away from there.

Babe14

12-04-2006, 11:49

yes! It sounds like Jake and Grant will be running scarlets together and looks like it is Jake who may be suggesting it to Grant. I've been thinking (AGAIN) about Jake (just for a change) and Grant's possible (looking very likely) friendship and can see some commical moments between the two of them. First we had Jake/Danny, then Alfie/Jake (aww he really could do with him now) which provided us with some lovely commical moments and now I can see the same with Grant.

Just thought about the propositon that Jake makes Grant, maybe to be his housemate? Afterall the Vic is a little crowded. Now that would belovely to thave them living and working together. Would Jake still be working at the Bookies though? Perhaps he would be working there during the day and at Scarlets at night?

I can just see Jake and Grant "wheeling and Dealing" down the club!!

I am very happy at the mo as we are actually seeing a lot of Jake and it is his turn to dominate the soap. Also I have noticed that Jake is sort of getting like 6 storylines in one. Instead of having one person grieving insaneably, another being obssessive etc, someone else going off the rails, Jake has all this in one big storyline. Nicely done.

Haven't seen last night's yet as the electric blew up this morning grrrrr. :angry: Still I can sit and watch tomorrow, I knew I couldn't wait until Sunday!! I'll still be watching the omnibus though:D

Babe14

12-04-2006, 11:55

Friday, April 21

An embarrassed Jane avoids Grant like the plague

:rotfl: I read that as an embarrassed Jake avoids Grant like the plague.

I wonder why Johnny gives Jake power of attorney? Surely Ruby does have some other family – maybe on her mother’s side. I think out of everyone in Walford, Jake would be the one Johnny would trust to take care of her, but why does it have to be someone in Walford – I’d have thought Johnny would want Ruby well away from there.

I still think that there is more to Johnny and Jake than we know:D Thinking about it there is a lot of "bad" blood between these two right now, espec. as Jake shooting Danny was all down to Johnny and look at how Johnny destroyed Danny.

BlackKat

12-04-2006, 12:01

Friday, April 21

:rotfl: I read that as an embarrassed Jake avoids Grant like the plague.

Well Joel did say Jake and Grant were going to become close, :lol: Let's hope not that close, :p

I still think that there is more to Johnny and Jake than we know:D Thinking about it there is a lot of "bad" blood between these two right now, espec. as Jake shooting Danny was all down to Johnny and look at how Johnny destroyed Danny.

"Daddy theory" will never die! :cheer: :p Actually quite oddly, while there is bad blood from Jake's side (ie, he hates Johnny) I do think on Johnny's there's still some respect for Jake. The scene where Johnny phoned Danny and Jake answered, Johnny asked straight away "Jake, where are the Mitchells," almost like he was expecting Jake to snap to attention and tell him. :searchme: Or if not respect than a weird sort of trust, or maybe he just knows that Jake will do the right thing which in this case would be to take care of Ruby. :searchme:

Babe14

12-04-2006, 12:56

You've hit the nail on the head there Johnny respects Jake, even though Jake has told him to go to hell on more than one occassion. (I'm still sticking with the possible Daddy theory:p )

Now I've been doing it again and come up with another theory about this offer Jake makes Grant, yes I would still like the possibility of them being "housemates" but I've been wondering if as well as handing Ruby over to Jake if Johnny will also hand the club over to Jake along with the house he lives in. This would be good and show signs of things actually being on the up for Jake because he would have his job at the Bookies, Alfie's stall, his own house and his own club!! Perfect. Jake Walfords new business man along of course with his new mate Grant.:p

(Sorry I've gone into "Theory" mode again. I guess it's all the Jake stuff that has got me going again and JAKE CERTAINLY GETS ME GOING:wub: )

Babe14

12-04-2006, 12:58

Well Joel did say Jake and Grant were going to become close, :lol: Let's hope not that close, :p

:rotfl: :rotfl: That would be an interesting one:lol:

BlackKat

12-04-2006, 13:02

I don't think Jake will get money from Johnny's estate, as it's still to go to Ruby -- it's just that Jake's controlling it until she's 18. So I think if Jake is running the businesses he would get paid wages, but any profit would go into the estate and then go to Ruby. :searchme: I'm not a legal boffin though so I don't know.

But I suppose it has solved the rent problem, :p

I'm not sure if I want Jake running Johnny's businesses full time -- I'm really enjoying the interaction with him and Pat in the bookies. Maybe he could do both -- and Johnny must have had people working for him and running things on a day to day basis, seeing as we never saw him doing anything like collecting rent or what not.

Tannie

12-04-2006, 19:04

Yeah but then he won't be holding the estate and businesses for long as Ruby turns this year dosn't she?

BlackKat

12-04-2006, 19:38

Yep, Ruby turns 18 in October I think. :)

Tannie

13-04-2006, 11:10

So then if she does turn 18 in october Jake won't have hold of the house and buisnesses for very long will he?

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 11:35

Babe14

13-04-2006, 11:35

Well I got to see Tuesdays epi this morning and I LOVE Jake's character the way it is developing and this brutal dark side which he has, the character is/has developed exactly how I hoped it would. Poor baby he really has lost it and it's quite scary really espec the Ruby stuff.

Loved the Bookies scene and it was a reallyheart touching scene with Ben, aww he really liked Jakey and when Ben asked Jake ifhe could come back and Jake shook his head, touched Ben's arm gently and said take care of yourself. Now it would be nice, with the Mitchell interaction coming up/developing if in the future we saw more Jake/Ben interaction.

Aww poor Jake when Ian was confiding in Pat about Ben, it was so Jake/Danny and just too much for Jake it was the final cherry on the cake. Unfortunately he saw Juley annoying Ruby and beat the hell out of him, loved it. I thoughtit was funny when Juley didn't really take any notice of Jake's threats and said your gonna have to kill me, thinking Jake would back off, but boy did he get the fright of his life and if it wasn't for Grant Jake prob would of killed him or put him in intensive care at least. I guess Grant seeing Jake act like that kind of reminded him of himself and what he used to be like. I actually liked Phil last night and liked the scene in the Vic when Phil and Grant TOLD Juley that he wasn't going to do anything. Well I can go on and on about this but I'll summarise it all now:

Like the way the Mitchells are looking out for Jake

Like the Bookie Scenes

Loving Jake's character more and more, I'm just finding him so sexy right now.

My heart is breaking at what Jake is going through espec as he feels all alone after the Ruby confrontation, she was his security but for now that has gone. Jake needs something/someone to hold onto.

Ruby/Jake scene very powerful and moving.

Excellent epi and Joel is truly really amazing.

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 11:39

Loving Jake's character more and more, I'm just finding him so sexy right now.

Oh goody, I'm not the only one thinking that the more crazy he gets, the more sexy he gets. :lol: :wub:

Babe14

13-04-2006, 11:41

About six months. A lot can happen in six months in soapland. Also if they try to convince me that Ruby is capable of running a business even at 18 I will laugh and laugh and then possibly laugh somemore.

But no, generally it's not that long a time.

Maybe Ruby will hand the Club and house etc over to Jake. One things for sure Jake/Ruby will need someone to run Scarlets for them and that someone hopefully will be Grant. Jake can still work at the Bookies and be invoved in Scarlets, work during the day at the Bookies and nights down the club with Grant. I reallylike the ideaof Jake becoming a "businessman" as well as working the Bookies with Pat.

Layne

13-04-2006, 11:41

Oh goody, I'm not the only one thinking that the more crazy he gets, the more sexy he gets. :lol: :wub:

He looked very tasty in that jacket/suit think on monday/tuesday!!! :wub: :p

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 11:46

I think with the power of attorney thing Jake can pretty much do anything Johnny could do (in the business sense). However it still belongs to Johnny, and apparently will go to Ruby. However it's Jake's decision to what he wants with the business (while he has power of attorney). Technically he could sell everything and leave Ruby with a lump sum of money. They aren't his businesses though, he doesn't get any money or profit. If he works in them, such as doing a manager position in Scarlet then he'd get paid wages for that. If he hires a manager (say Grant) and just pops in to make sure everythings going okay, he doesn't get paid for that, unless the agreement with Johnny is that in exchange for looking after things Johnny will pay Jake so much a month for example.

Unless Jake gets named as Ruby's guardian (which is seperate to power of attorney) he doesn't have any say over her future.

Babe14

13-04-2006, 11:48

Oh goody, I'm not the only one thinking that the more crazy he gets, the more sexy he gets. :lol: :wub:
I just love him:love: he is a complex character with huge potential and I'm hoping that we will still see and get a hint of this brutalness/dark side we are seeing now, but it is important that it's not all the time as this would ruin the character. This is what I hated about Grant that he was always going psycho and like the calmer Grant much better.

Babe14

13-04-2006, 11:51

He looked very tasty in that jacket/suit think on monday/tuesday!!! :wub: :p

Very, that and the battered leather he wears are really him and add evenmore sex appeal:wub:

Babe14

13-04-2006, 11:56

I think with the power of attorney thing Jake can pretty much do anything Johnny could do (in the business sense). However it still belongs to Johnny, and apparently will go to Ruby. However it's Jake's decision to what he wants with the business (while he has power of attorney). Technically he could sell everything and leave Ruby with a lump sum of money.

Power of Attorney gives Jake full control over the businesses and anything else named in it, i.e any financies, payment of bills etc.

Let me rephrase Jake's business venture that I would like to see:lol: Has a house, club, through Power of Attorney,a stall being run by Deano? and his own job working with Pat at the Bookies.

Tannie

13-04-2006, 12:15

About six months. A lot can happen in six months in soapland. Also if they try to convince me that Ruby is capable of running a business even at 18 I will laugh and laugh and then possibly laugh somemore.

But no, generally it's not that long a time.

That's what i was thinkin Jake ain't excatley going to hand over everything to Ruby on her 18th because she will need some advise but then this all depends ifRuby will take a liking to Jake but after seeing Tuesday's episode i am unsure as she said Jake reminded her of Johnny but Jake only killed Danny to save the Mitchell's. But then it's also being said in soap magazines that Jake and Ruby turn over a new leaf.

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 12:56

I've been thinking that maybe Jake asks Grant to run the club because Ruby isn't happy about Jake has POA. (power of attorney, not the third Harry Potter book, :p ) So Jake thinks it would be best if he isn't involved too much, just behind the scenes. :searchme: Or he might just not want to be around the club because it reminds him of Johnny and Danny.

The Radio Times description mention Ruby being the new owner of the club which is odd, because she isn't yet. Something like "How will Ruby handle the responsibility of being the new owner of the club." But she doesn't have the responsibility, Jake does. Odd. And again -- Ruby running a business = me laughing.

And how is she going to run a club anyway. She can't even buy alcohol yet.

Babe14

13-04-2006, 13:07

Maybe this is where Jake steps in and makes Grant an offer, like you said to run the club for Ruby. Part of me thinks that Jake may not want anything to do with the club "Too many bad memories" there again Grant may persaude him otherwise. Maybe Grant will make Ruby an offer she can't refuse and buy the club?

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 13:27

But Ruby shouldn't have anything to do with the club. If she does, what's the point of Jake having poa, they mayaswell just give it to her now. Maybe she starts learning how to run the club now so then when she's 18 she can do it by herself? :searchme:

I can't see Grant buying the club because he's only here 3 months I think, so it would be a bit pointless to have him own it then leave soon after.

BlackKat

13-04-2006, 20:28

Erm, not as good as Tuesday's to be honest. There were some very good scenes, but still..felt a bit flat. I dunno. The car scene most of all felt flat -- this was Jake's big 'let it all out' moment yet it felt like the writer couldn't get it over fast enough. Brilliantly acted by Joel though. (Edit -- watched again, actually not as bad the second time round. In fact the whole episode was pretty good. Possibly because I fast-forwarded Dot's non-comedy storyline)

Phil and Grant seemed more concerned about themselves than Jake, and only seemed to remember that he saved their lives near the end, although they did become better after the "suicide" bit. Grant was a bit too jokey as well. Sometimes it was okay, like he was trying to put Jake at ease, but other times it was kinda inappropriate. (Like the completely blase "here's how we'll get out of it if we actually do run him over") I prefered Phil and Jake's chat, though do still see some good potential for a Grant and Jake friendship if that's the way they go. Grant was good in the end scene, in fact both of them were.

Jake's scenes at the beginning on his own were fantastic -- the throwing of the hammer, the newspapers all over the place, completely freaking the salesman out. The scene talking about Danny to the Mitchells was great as well, a lot of insight in their life before Walford. Phone call to Alfie -- brilliant. :wub:

I didn't like the passing off of Danny as just being a psycho murderer. That might have been what he was at the end, but he was something else before that -- the joking, the bantering between them, that was Danny too and that's gone too now. I'd have liked some mention of that.

A great episode overall, but there were some moments I didn't like, wheras I thought Tuesday's was good throughout. :)

Babe14

14-04-2006, 10:28

So Jake had a food fight then:lol:
I couldn't help but find that first scene with Jake chucking the hammer at the biscuits slightly commical and when I saw the newspaper taped everywhere, lamp shade stacked up, post lined up on the mantle piece and everything all in neat piles I couldn't help but find that slightly funny too. At the same time my heart was going out to Jake.

I thought that the Mitchells were being a bit heartless at times especially Phil, who found his heart in the end:eek: ,although I have to say Grant was worried about Jake throughout. When I thought about all this I remembered all the Chrissie stuff and thought ah of course Jake and the Mitchells aren't exactly best of mates and there are some old grievances there. I was really fuming at Phil when he along with Grant and Jake were all sat in the car outside the police station and Jake said "I have nothing" Phil replied " Well we have":angry: :angry: I thought B/d, hope you never get Ben. Also I began to doubt the Mitchells concern for Jake when they mentioned the fact that they were worried about Jake dropping them in it, (hence another comment from Phil "Don't care as long as he's not in there dropping us in it") and thought typical only concerned for themselves, although personally I can't see how Jake would of dropped them in it. For once they were the victims weren't they?
Anyway all came right in the end after Grant and Phil found Jake unconscious on the sofa and thought he had o/d. I loved this scene, like BK I liked the fact that we found out more about Danny and Jake's childhood, also the father was mentioned briefly, you could tell that the Mitchell boys could relate to what Jake was saying, even when he asked them if they knew what it was like to blow a hole in your brother. Grant was making a few jokes but I just think that was prob to lighten things a little and I really liked it when Phil told Grant to leave Jake to him from now on, the look Grant gave Phil was classic.
I loved the chat between Phil and Jake, yes in the end Danny was just a psycho murderer he had gone down a very dark road from which there was no return. However hard Jake tried he couldn't help Danny, only protect him, mop up after him, fight the people Danny had upset, Danny was on a one way ticket to self destruct. Reason of course was the abusive childhood. Jake summed it up nicely when he mentioned this to the Mitchell boys. On the bright side at least now Jake can have a life and I think Jake and the Mitchell boys go really well together and offer huge potential. After seeing the real Jake this week you can see that he has Mitchell traits:lol:

Loved the end scene back at Jake's after Grant tried to run him over, where Grant went to make another cup of tea, Jake was sat on the stairs and Grant went " Are you coming" then the scene in the kitchen with the biccys.

Very enjoyable week and I have loved every single moment of Jake.
I don't think I can praise Joel anymore than I have done, he is a real "Daimond Geaser"

A final note, on this post:D , I'm glad Ross has returned and would like him to return permanently, I take back all my criticsm prior to his return.

diamond1

14-04-2006, 10:32

i think the show was stolen by jake having a go at martin fowler "yeah your so funny, so funny your wife left you for a lesbian"..........ha brilliant i loved that.

It was obvious that jake wasnt going to hand himself in when the policeman told him to wait in the cue and he did -wait your gonna confess to murder and instead of shouting it in his face he waits until the old dear at the front reports loud music coming from the house across the road.

and the others "you got bottle kidnapping me in front of a police station"

another i liked jakes letting all his emotion out and grant goes (while holding a dvd) "is this series 2"

ha i thought it was a well good episode -not very thought out where phil was concerned he wants his son back but first he is gonna run a drunk over in the market -good thinking boys!

Babe14

14-04-2006, 10:36

Have to mention the hoddie and leather..yum..

BK just to say I like your idea of Jake decorating his house. I've had this piccy in my mind of Jake ripping off the wallpaper and Grant popping in for a beer/cuppa and seeing him doing this, only to think that Jake has lost it again! This would lead to some commical banter between the two and Grant would tell Jake that he is going to give him a hand, tell Jake that he'll be back in a minute there is something he has to get a decorators necessity or something, then return with some beers. Two of them then sitting on the floor amongst all the mess drinking beer and discussing Decorating "tactics". Grant could add a bit of a tropical feel to Jake's house, with a bit of the "Brazilian" touch whilst Jake is out getting suplies or something. When Jake returns he sees what Grant has done and hence more banter.

So let's start redecorating Jake's house

I would ditch the wallpaper for cream walls, ditch the carpets and have wooden floors throughout, keep the furniture and splash bits of colour around..maybe a cream and dark red theme in the lounge..

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 10:39

The Mitchells know about Danny's death though, and that Jake has covered it up. So they could be charged for that I think. :searchme: Although Jake said he wouldn't mention them. There's a chance he could have cracked and told everything, but I did think they were being selfish, and seemed more worried about Jake being a "liability."

Actually, quite oddly, there is some parallels going on -- we have the Mitchells seeing Jake as a liability, then eventually pulling him back for the edge, and then Jake mentioning that he saw Danny as a liability. Also Jake has been displaying Danny-like behaviour. Also, while Jake and Danny were different, Jake does have the potential to snap, as shown by the newspapers, the lampshades etc. (Randomly, watching the episode again I noticed some weird airplane thing that I think is a lamp, which is completely dorky and adorable, :lol: )

Another heart-breaking scene was the salesman -- Jake just wanting to talk to someone. :crying: And his line to Alfie's answering machine "But you're not there." :crying: :(

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 10:41

Babe14

14-04-2006, 10:42

i think the show was stolen by jake having a go at martin fowler "yeah your so funny, so funny your wife left you for a lesbian"..........ha brilliant i loved that.

and the others "you got bottle kidnapping me in front of a police station"

another i liked jakes letting all his emotion out and grant goes (while holding a dvd) "is this series 2"
Don't you just love him:lol:

I forgot to mention Pat/Jake scene, lovely I really hope tha tshe takes himunder her wing too and becomes the mother he never had but always wanted. I've always loved these two together

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 10:44

i think the show was stolen by jake having a go at martin fowler "yeah your so funny, so funny your wife left you for a lesbian"..........ha brilliant i loved that.

And Jake manages to sum up the stupidity of that storyline with one line. :rotfl: :lol: That was brilliant.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 10:46

I keep noticing the wallpaper more and more and it's seriously bugging me. I think in the living room it's some sort of revolting brown with flowers?!? Seriously, even Nana can't have liked that. :eek:

I'm notcing it too now and yes it is a revolting dark brown flowery number.
I quite like the kitchen mainly becasue Ilove pink, but I don't think this is really Jake's colour, so again maybe a neutral colour here, get rid of the grotty cupboards for some nice wooden ones, a few nice coloured/pattern tiles around..

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 10:49

I'm notcing it too now and yes it is a revolting dark brown flowery number.
I quite like the kitchen mainly becasue Ilove pink, but I don't think this is really Jake's colour, so again maybe a neutral colour here, get rid of the grotty cupboards for some nice wooden ones, a few nice coloured/pattern tiles around..

I like your idea of having cream and dark red in the living room. Maybe blue in the kitchen -- white walls, then blue tiles?

Maybe he can go and get his money back from Charlie ("Yeah, sorry, Johnny's given up on that whole redemption thing. He wants his money back.") and completely redo everything. Pat and the Mitchells can help out. :D

diamond1

14-04-2006, 10:54

yeah pat/jake are really close kinda like pat/andy at the moment maybe down the road the new dot/dennis.

the brazilian idea at jakes is wicked babe14 which you said (its like my world cup theory)i can see phil being good mates with jake as well because ben likes jake judging by tuesday maybe in a few months "daddy can i see uncle jake"----hahaha brilliant

im hoping the grant/jake freindship can be like the ben/dan friendship in hollyoaks which was filled with humor.

i do hope we dont have any more ruby jake moments like tuesday i really dislike ruby's character i can see her being stuck up and horrible in the near future like a certain mrs fowler/jackson

Babe14

14-04-2006, 10:55

Actually, quite oddly, there is some parallels going on -- we have the Mitchells seeing Jake as a liability, then eventually pulling him back for the edge, and then Jake mentioning that he saw Danny as a liability. Also Jake has been displaying Danny-like behaviour. Also, while Jake and Danny were different, Jake does have the potential to snap, as shown by the newspapers, the lampshades etc. (Randomly, watching the episode again I noticed some weird airplane thing that I think is a lamp, which is completely dorky and adorable, :lol: )

Yes Jake has been very Danny like recently and when he put the hood up on his hoodie last night I thought eeek. I think that Jake has been mentally scared by his child hood too, he needs love, to have someone to take care of and cling to, he has obssessive behaviour. Although it was Danny who appeared to be clinging to Jake I think that it was actually Jake who was clinging to Danny. Well I'll be watching the omnibus on Sunday as to be honest I have been randomly skipping through Enders during the week to Jakey scenes so I will look out for the "airplanes" it's funny the more times you watch something the more you see and hear!:lol:

I thought the scene with Jake chucking the hammer at the biccys was very Danny like and the newspaper everywhere. I thought that it was funny with the salesman where he was sat on the newspaper giving Jake his speal and there was Jakey walking around the room knocking back the booze.

Another heart-breaking scene was the salesman -- Jake just wanting to talk to someone. :crying: And his line to Alfie's answering machine "But you're not there." :crying: :(

Yes my heart was breaking and I was saying let Grant in and talk to him which he did in the end plus phil. I loved that Aflie phone call and did you see that tear trickling down his face.:crying:

diamond1

14-04-2006, 10:59

Yes Jake has been very Danny like recently and when he put the hood up on his hoodie last night I thought eeek. as in a bit like the guy from star wars when the hood's up he see's the darkside

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:01

I like your idea of having cream and dark red in the living room. Maybe blue in the kitchen -- white walls, then blue tiles?

That would benice for the kitchen, light blue or dark?

I think maybe the lounge theme would have to carried through to the dining room as they are like one room, although pink/orange go with red. Maybe we could have a mixed reddy/orangey/pinky theme in there. I can see it but can't really explain it well enough.

Maybe he can go and get his money back from Charlie ("Yeah, sorry, Johnny's given up on that whole redemption thing. He wants his money back.") and completely redo everything. Pat and the Mitchells can help out. :D

:rotfl: Oh yes Pat is a must, so long as she doesn't do that flowery number again:lol:

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:01

Yes Jake has been very Danny like recently and when he put the hood up on his hoodie last night I thought eeek. I think that Jake has been mentally scared by his child hood too, he needs love, to have someone to take care of and cling to, he has obssessive behaviour. Although it was Danny who appeared to be clinging to Jake I think that it was actually Jake who was clinging to Danny.

I think Jake has definitely been scarred, and is just better at hiding it than Danny was. Although it did sound like Danny had problems from the start that were just made worse because of their childhood. (And it's times like this I get furious at the rest of the Moon family because even though it's not their responsibility where the hell were they when it was going on.) I also think their father was possibly psychologically abusive as well -- Danny mentioned at the salsa night their dad saying "Fear makes you weak," and beating them for wetting the bed. To me that sounds like he wasn't just getting drunk and lashing out, but that he was "teaching" them.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:04

That would benice for the kitchen, light blue or dark?

I think maybe the lounge theme would have to carried through to the dining room as they are like one room, although pink/orange go with red. Maybe we could have a mixed reddy/orangey/pinky theme in there. I can see it but can't really explain it well enough.

The tiles could be a mixture of light and dark blue? Not checked, but kinda of a random pattern. Then light blue for the furnishings.

:rotfl: Oh yes Pat is a must, so long as she doesn't do that flowery number again:lol:

Maybe we'll leave the designing to Jake and Grant, and Pat can just help out. :lol: Pat's house suits her, but definitely wouldn't suit Jake. :rotfl: Can just imagine his reaction if he came back home and she'd installed a cocktail bar.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:07

yeah pat/jake are really close kinda like pat/andy at the moment maybe down the road the new dot/dennis.

I can definitely see that.:)

the brazilian idea at jakes is wicked babe14 which you said (its like my world cup theory)i can see phil being good mates with jake as well because ben likes jake judging by tuesday maybe in a few months "daddy can i see uncle jake"----hahaha brilliant

Well I was thinking, with Ross popping in and out of the soap, Phil and Jake would hang out together because with the Mitchells any friend of my brother's is a friend of mine. This way Phil/Jake would always have a mate. I like your World Cup idea and can see Jake/Grant/Phil/Minty/Gary/Kevin all either in the pub watching it together or round Jake's.

i do hope we dont have any more ruby jake moments like tuesday i really dislike ruby's character i can see her being stuck up and horrible in the near future like a certain mrs fowler/jackson

I'm not overly keen on Ruby but still want Jake and Ruby to be like bruv/sister I just can't get the kitchen scene out of my head after Ruby was mugged.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:11

The tiles could be a mixture of light and dark blue? Not checked, but kinda of a random pattern. Then light blue for the furnishings.

Nice I like it:)

Maybe we'll leave the designing to Jake and Grant, and Pat can just help out. :lol: Pat's house suits her, but definitely wouldn't suit Jake. :rotfl: Can just imagine his reaction if he came back home and she'd installed a cocktail bar.

:rotfl: but Jake would be polite about it and tell her that he likes it and then I can just see Grant's reaction when he sees it and the two of them trying to get rid of it "on the quiet"

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:12

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:14

:rotfl: but Jake would be polite about it and tell her that he likes it and then I can just see Grant's reaction when he sees it and the two of them trying to get rid of it "on the quiet"

Trying to smuggle it back out the house under a blanket...Pat walks past "What's that?" "Er...nothing," *standing in front of it, trying to block her view* :lol: :lol:

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:16

I think Jake has definitely been scarred, and is just better at hiding it than Danny was. Although it did sound like Danny had problems from the start that were just made worse because of their childhood. (And it's times like this I get furious at the rest of the Moon family because even though it's not their responsibility where the hell were they when it was going on.) I also think their father was possibly psychologically abusive as well -- Danny mentioned at the salsa night their dad saying "Fear makes you weak," and beating them for wetting the bed. To me that sounds like he wasn't just getting drunk and lashing out, but that he was "teaching" them.

Yes just where were they. Surely Alfie would of notcied soemthing what with him being round there all the time, unless of course he did and Jake convinced him that all was well.

I think maybe he taunted Jake as well with remarks about failing and just generally made themboth feel very insecure. Maybe the dad had a reason for beating them and made Jake take most of them because of "Theory":p

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:18

Trying to smuggle it back out the house under a blanket...Pat walks past "What's that?" "Er...nothing," *standing in front of it, trying to block her view* :lol: :lol:

:rotfl: and dumping it in the same skip which Grant dumped Jake's bin bag:lol:
(That reminds me loved the bit when Jake handed Grant the bag and went "I'd burn that if I was you":lol: ) or Grant giving it to Peggy as a pressie.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:22

Yes just where were they. Surely Alfie would of notcied soemthing what with him being round there all the time, unless of course he did and Jake convinced him that all was well.

I think maybe he taunted Jake as well with remarks about failing and just generally made themboth feel very insecure. Maybe the dad had a reason for beating them and made Jake take most of them because of "Theory":p

But the scene from last year with Alfie and Jake talking about it in the Vic, Alfie said he used to see their dad coming home drunk. And Danny mentioned them getting food off Alfie's mum when their dad left them on their own. So they must have known some of it. And they must have known about the times that Jake and Danny were taken into foster care.

I also wonder if their dad was like that from the start, or became like that. I don't know which would be worse -- on the one hand, if he was okay in the beginning Jake probably has some happy memories which may explain why he's more well adjusted that Danny, whereas abuse would likely be all Danny would know. On the other, having your "daddy," turn into a monster must be damaging as well. I guess they're both as bad as the other. :searchme: :(

diamond1

14-04-2006, 11:23

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:23

I hope Jake explains what actually happened to Ruby. I can understand her behaviour if she thinks Jake shot Danny on purpose or without a reason, but hopefully once she knows what actually happened she'll be nicer. I'm not keen on her either (well to be honest I hate her guts). When she first came in I thought she was great, but since October she's been terrible, a completely horrible person, and I also have a big problem with Louisa's acting -- I don't think she brings any depth to Ruby which makes it difficult to find the character likable. However, Louisa wasn't bad on Tuesday's ep and like I said, I could understand Ruby's behaviour for once (even if she was a little cow). So maybe she'll improve. :searchme: If we are going to have Jake as Ruby's guardian, she better improve.

I think Jake is going to have to tell her what really happened and hopefully she will listen and understand. This will have to be two way traffic though and Jake will have to listen to Ruby and understand why she is being a cow. She has to realise Jake is not Johnny. Yes I hope that she will improve too, like I said it's that Kitchen scene.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:34

Well jake is in a intresting postion for future storyline ifs eastenders wanted to e.g

jake would be living in his reonvated house and actually is going out with dawn or perhaps carly and is now like a delivery driver for scarletts with grant running the bar phil running the vic all three would be mates of course.Jake traces down his alcoholic mum and brings her to walford she feuds with peggy almost straight away and causes trouble sadly jake tearfully admits he killed danny and she disowns him and he suffers another set back and things get worse when martin fowler cheats with carly/dawn after getting in a fight with martin and settling up he gets imprisoned for abit until phil and grant convince martin to drop the charges after a month of freedom a letter comes through he is needed for prosecution for chrissies up coming trial filled with hope he goes to see her and stands up for her in a shock movement she is freed from prison BUT heads straight for the airport leaving jake once again alone and heartbroken.

i know im being a bit harsh on jakes life here but its not jakes character to be happy all the time being a loner does suit him abit

It's a good storyline, but I think it's time for some happiness for Jake a big storyline that starts off very dramatic but has a very happy outcome for him.

As for Jake's potential before the Mitchells returned there was huge potential for Jake alone but now with the character being put with the Mitchells, a very clever move on behalf of Eastenders, there is endless potential and just strengthens the character and puts him in a very central positon.

I'm sorry but I no longer like Dawn, yes maybe a quick one or maybe couple of nights here with her but Carly is much better. Personally though I think that Carly will be paired with Martin. I am hoping that one of the new characters will provide Jake with a love interest,but I don't think I need to say it I have my own ideas for a new permanent love for Jake.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:36

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:40

I'm sorry but I no longer like Dawn, yes maybe a quick one or maybe couple of nights here with her but Carly is much better. Personally though I think that Carly will be paired with Martin. I am hoping that one of the new characters will provide Jake with a love interest,but I don't think I need to say it I have my own ideas for a new permanent love for Jake.

I think for a permanent love interest my ideal girl would be someone who will say to Jake "Back the hell off, I can look after myself thanks." (but in a nice way), yet understands why he needs to do things like take care of people.

I do still like Dawn, and I think with her it's her storylines that annoy me rather than the character. On the other hand Deano just annoys me now fullstop. I'm not that much of a fan of Carly, though she has grown on me since she first arrived and I hated her.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:42

I think Jake's got a lot of potential for future storylines -- there's so much they can do. There's his family, his mysterious mother most of all (I know I mention her a lot...but where the hell was she?). Unfortunately Bradley's possible abusive father is coming in soon, so I doubt they'll bring Jake's in, at least not for a while. I only hope he doesn't disappear again. After Joel showing this week exactly what he can do with great material, they'd be idiots to let it go to waste.

As another dad is coming into the soap then I think it's a mother's turn, preferably Jake's.

As for Jake's potental for storylines all they need to do is look at this thread..

Joel as really excelled (think that is the right word) himself these past couple of weeks, espec Tuesday, he is just wonderful and yes they would be idiots to waste him. Joel plus Ross/Steve equals great strength and they are more or less the heart of Easties right now. Like I said a very clever move by Eastenders.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:45

I think for a permanent love interest my ideal girl would be someone who will say to Jake "Back the hell off, I can look after myself thanks." (but in a nice way), yet understands why he needs to do things like take care of people.

That's part of my girl:p :D

I do still like Dawn, and I think with her it's her storylines that annoy me rather than the character. On the other hand Deano just annoys me now fullstop. I'm not that much of a fan of Carly, though she has grown on me since she first arrived and I hated her.[/QUOTE]

I really liked her whenshe first came into the soap but Ijust find her very annoying now,it's the way she keeps screwing her face up. I think you maybe right it could be the lack of decent stroylines. Deano I liked but soon changed my mind and just find him pathetic, just a shame he is a Wicks as I reallylike that family.

diamond1

14-04-2006, 11:46

no im still sold on the idea of dawn and jake eastenders teased it for ages and even this week they did with her saying if you would of treated me better they do seem suited i do think shes got a bit of a independence thats great for jake.

I dont think martin fowler is suited for dawn he is too much of a mummys boy and deanos too much of a lad grant isnt intrested proves this week and i doubt the rumors of her and phil are true either so yeah i still see a future for dawn and jake

maybe babe14 and jake if all else fails :p

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:50

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:53

That reminds me I think didn't Jake mention in one of his comments something about applying to be a nanny or did I dream it:lol:

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:56

maybe babe14 and jake if all else fails :p

:wub: :love: :wub: I would really be in Jake heaven

diamond1

14-04-2006, 11:56

errr applying to be a nanny does ring a bell actually but the single mum thing sounds good so good it would wicked if it where true

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 11:59

That reminds me I think didn't Jake mention in one of his comments something about applying to be a nanny or did I dream it:lol:

Yeah, it was when he was talking to Ben, and Pat told him he was good with kids and that they know who they can trust. Then when he said about setting himself up as a Nanny, Pat said he'd had enough practice with Danny and Jake got all sad again. :(

Babe14

14-04-2006, 11:59

errr applying to be a nanny does ring a bell actually but the single mum thing sounds good so good it would wicked if it where true

I'm off to investigate:)

I'm sure I read it on the BBC site.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 12:03

I've just had an idea (LOL) instead of having a bruv/sis relationship with Jake/Ruby maybe now it could be "Uncle" Jake, as Diamond1 mentioned, with Ben. Afterall he is a Mitchell and I can just see Jake/Phil/Grant/Ben/Courtney all out on a picnic together and Ian not being very happy about it. There again Jake needs a youngster to look after too, i.e Grant/Courtney, Phil/Ben, Jake/Ruby - but she has to change. I think now hopefully she is away from Johnny she will change. Hangon though I believe that there is a single mum coming into the soap ah this could be the answer....

Ben seemed to like Jake a lot -- he went up to him quite quickly to talk to him, and then wanted to know if he could come back. When he asked if he could stay at the bookies he directed it at Jake, rather than Pat who was the one that was 'officially' looking after them.

I think the single mum (do you mean the Fox woman - she's got two teenage daughters) is going to get together with Kevin Wicks. There's also Bradley's dad coming in, with his wife and her two young kids. I think that's all the new characters that we've yet to see.

Babe14

14-04-2006, 12:28

Ben seemed to like Jake a lot -- he went up to him quite quickly to talk to him, and then wanted to know if he could come back. When he asked if he could stay at the bookies he directed it at Jake, rather than Pat who was the one that was 'officially' looking after them.

I think the single mum (do you mean the Fox woman - she's got two teenage daughters) is going to get together with Kevin Wicks. There's also Bradley's dad coming in, with his wife and her two young kids. I think that's all the new characters that we've yet to see.

Maybe it is thanks:) Oh well Ben or Ruby it is then.

I have this piccy again of Grant/Courtney/Jake/Ruby all round Jake's having a curry, Grant/Courtney already living with Jake. Ah of course with Jake now being the Mitchell boys new best bud he will have to interact with Courtney as well as Ben. Perfect. I can just see him babysitting Courtney, who being the madam she is will be giving him the run around:lol:

I really loved that scene with Ben and Jake at the Bookies. aww:wub:

Babe14

14-04-2006, 12:30

Maybe Jake will help Phil get Ben or decent access, oh this will be a bit of a dilema for Jakey. Big Brother or Dad? Also I was wondering if Jake will help Grant sort things out with Carla (she is also coming into the soap soon). See potential..potential..potental

I do think Joel deserves a rest after this weeks fab performance. We don't want him over used.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 12:40

Babe14

14-04-2006, 13:35

By the way, if you're looking out for the dorky/adorable airplane possible lamp thing, it's in the scene with the salesman -- when Jake sits down in front of the telly, it's just to the side of him. :)

Thanks:lol: I'll have a look on the recording I have (if it's still there) and I will definitely be watching again Sunday. Although this week was full of trauma I just couldn't help finding some of the scenes last night funny but cute.:)

P.S. I,m not sure but I think you, me and Diamond1 have churned out about 40 posts in here today:lol:

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 15:42

Thanks:lol: I'll have a look on the recording I have (if it's still there) and I will definitely be watching again Sunday. Although this week was full of trauma I just couldn't help finding some of the scenes last night funny but cute.:)

I did too -- especially one bit when the guy at the door asks if Jake can talk, and Jake does this little insane grin. It's the cutest thing ever, :lol:

Some bits were quite freaky though -- particularly Jake putting the clothes he was wearing that morning back on. :eek: That was rather disturbing.

Dutchgirl

14-04-2006, 15:47

Joel Beckett is doing a very fine job, he does not look insane he is it. Must say I like him more and more!

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 16:22

Joel Beckett is doing a very fine job, he does not look insane he is it. Must say I like him more and more!

He is indeed. Especially Tuesday, I thought, his body movements in the scene with Ruby and the way he got so close to her.

BlackKat

14-04-2006, 20:39

So does Jake have a fairy godmother that bestows jackets upon him? Or do Kat and Alfie send him a jacket from every state they visit? Or does Jakey boy have some weird jacket fetish that means even when he’s broke, even when he’s lost his girlfriend’s bail money, even when he’s depressed and suicidal after shooting his brother, he will still find the money and time to buy a new jacket. Will we see a heartbreaking storyline in the next few months that sees a desperate Jake stealing from his friends to finance his jacket addiction?

It was an awfully nice jacket though. :) :lol:

Only two quick scenes, but I liked them. I liked Phil and Jake’s scenes yesterday as well, and I’m hoping if a friendship does develop its with both the Mitchells.

Babe14

15-04-2006, 07:50

LOL BK! I noticed that new Jacket and I loved it. I'm loving his hair too, it is really wavey and slightly curly right now "Thud" Infact I find the rougher Jake looks the more sexier he is:wub: :love:

I loved the scenes between Phil and Jake and can see a very close friendship developing there. Infact to me, at the mo, Jake and Phil seem to be bonding more than Grant and Jake, I suppose really this makes sense as unfortunately Ross will be disappearing again, but still a close friendship with both the brothers will be very nice and something I am looking forward very much to seeing. Jake is so right with the Mitchells. I did think that both Grant and Jake were a bit offish with one another last night when Jake was leaving the Vic and Grant was coming in, both appeared to be avoiding looking at one another.

I did think there he goes again blaming himself, feeling guilty, when we had that scene in the Vic with Phil and Jake, where he was apologising to Phil for being so wrapped up in his troubles..Phil was really understanding and Nice about it (for once)
Loved Jake's comment to Phil in the Caf "I've got some cleaning to do" to which Phil replied "Gary and Minty aren't doing anything this afternoon.." aww I'm liking Phil again now he is becoming human again. Thing is with the Mitchells they don't like showing their softness and can come across as uncaring where as in actual fact they care very much, suppose in away this is a bit like Jake too. Grant and Jake have definitely got the same sense of humour they just slip little witty comments into conversations and you have to be quick to catch them.

I would of loved it if Jake was the one to find Ben and deliver him back to Phil. I have this lovely image in my head of Ben turning up at Jake's and Jake having a little chat to him before taking him over to Phil...Awww:wub:
Oh dear I'm off again, see just two scenes of Jake and I can still write a book!!:lol:

Infact I might do a bit of writing this weekend..:p

Babe14

15-04-2006, 07:53

He is indeed. Especially Tuesday, I thought, his body movements in the scene with Ruby and the way he got so close to her.

I was sitting watching and thnking I wish that was me he was close too, espec when he got up and the end of his nose practically touched Ruby's:wub:

That scene with Ruby broke my heart and I have to admit Tuesday's epi had me filling up a bit:crying:

diamond1

15-04-2006, 15:46

P.S. I,m not sure but I think you, me and Diamond1 have churned out about 40 posts in here today:lol:

i think over 3 days we typed loads of just anything out -mainly about jakes house,sonia and jake and the mitchells.
its really bizzare how much i wrote about sonia!

next week jakes starting at scarletts so hopefully soon (in the future)we will have scenes of him being the bouncer,throwing drunks out and living normal

Babe14

16-04-2006, 11:35

I think that it will be a long time before Jake is back to normal, but you could see the othr night that he was trying to do every day things, going to the Caf and helping out in a crisis, re: Ben.

Although I love Jake and Pat working at the Bookies together, I think if I'm totally honest I'd prefer to see him running Scarlets. The reason being that I feel here there is more potential for more dramatic and action packed storylines whereas the Bookies there is only really potential for the more gentler storylines. With hopefully both Jake and Grant running Scarlets together there will be plenty of wheeling and dealing going on. Again, like with Jake's House,:p Grant can bring a bit of the Brazilian touch to Scarlets. I would like one day, when the real "ownership" of Scarlets is sorted out for it to be renamed and I'd quite like it to be called "Moons"

Of course Phil will also have to be involved,mainly so he can take over when Ross disappears again:crying:
With regards to the bouncer positon I think that this would be more Grant's role, there again after what we've seen of Jake this week I dunno!!:p :lol:

Babe14

16-04-2006, 11:44

i think over 3 days we typed loads of just anything out -mainly about jakes house,sonia and jake and the mitchells.
its really bizzare how much i wrote about sonia!

See you love her really:p :p

I can't believe that I am loving the Mitchells all over again just like I used to before they became "thugs". I'm loving the new Mitchells, espec Grant who I hated before and I'm starting to love Phil again and even Peggy, she works with the boys. This is a case of "Pot" "Black" as when I heard they were returning I think I called them "Thugs" and "Old Hasbeins":lol: Eastenders have been very clever by putting the Mitchells and Jake together as this really works, plus of course Courtney and Ben. See I can't shut up about them:rotfl:

diamond1

16-04-2006, 12:57

you cant take back what you said about the mitchells now :p

and the loving sonia part we been at it for years did you think she became a lesbian overnight?? :rotfl:

BlackKat

16-04-2006, 14:21

I think that it will be a long time before Jake is back to normal, but you could see the othr night that he was trying to do every day things, going to the Caf and helping out in a crisis, re: Ben.

I agree -- I think this was what Thursday was about, not Jake getting back to normal and being all happy again, but him choosing to carry on with things and try to get back to normal -- going out the house, cleaning up his house and (like Grant said) buying teabags. I think this is what Jake has to do - rather than expecting to get over it within one week, just get up in the morning, go to work, go the Vic etc even if some mornings he has to force himself to do it and then somewhere along the line he will be back to normal.

I also agree that it seems to be more Phil and Jake bonding then Grant and Jake -- although on Thursday, while Phil and Jake had the more indepth 'emotional' conversation (which I liked) in the end it was Grant who knew what Jake needed, despite it being a somewhat...unconventional method.

Although I love Jake and Pat working at the Bookies together, I think if I'm totally honest I'd prefer to see him running Scarlets. The reason being that I feel here there is more potential for more dramatic and action packed storylines whereas the Bookies there is only really potential for the more gentler storylines.

Again, agree. With Jake in Scarlets there's more chance of us seeing him -- even if he doesn't have a big storyline there'll be scenes with Grant, Ruby etc. Whereas the bookies doesn't seem to feature much. But I love the interaction in the bookies, we've had some lovely scenes there recently especially Tuesday with Pat, Jake and the two boys. I hope the Pat and Jake friendship doesn't get forgotten if Jake does stop working there to look after Scarlets fulltime.

Babe14

17-04-2006, 10:45

I agree -- I think this was what Thursday was about, not Jake getting back to normal and being all happy again, but him choosing to carry on with things and try to get back to normal -- going out the house, cleaning up his house and (like Grant said) buying teabags. I think this is what Jake has to do - rather than expecting to get over it within one week, just get up in the morning, go to work, go the Vic etc even if some mornings he has to force himself to do it and then somewhere along the line he will be back to normal.

You've summed that up nicely:)

I also agree that it seems to be more Phil and Jake bonding then Grant and Jake -- although on Thursday, while Phil and Jake had the more indepth 'emotional' conversation (which I liked) in the end it was Grant who knew what Jake needed, despite it being a somewhat...unconventional method.

After watching the full Eastenders on Sunday I definitely felt that it was Jake and Phil who bonded the most in the end, I suppose this has been done because as far as we know Phil is sticking around, plus I think Phil understands, can relate more to what Jake is going through. At the same time I do think it may be a slight attack of the guilts all mixed in because of the feuding with Johnny, but Phil is being genuine with Jake he now considers him a mate and whatever happened before is forgotten. Also I love the way Phil keeps asking Jake if he's alright.

Grant like you said is the other side of the coin he knows what Jake needs. I'm sure that both the brothers and Jake will be close. Although Grant and Jake didn't acknowldge one another the other night.

But I love the interaction in the bookies, we've had some lovely scenes there recently especially Tuesday with Pat, Jake and the two boys. I hope the Pat and Jake friendship doesn't get forgotten if Jake does stop working there to look after Scarlets fulltime.

So do I and this is where it all started with Jake/Danny/Andy/Pat and Johnny. I like seeing the bookies, espec the kind of scenes we have had lately there but unfortunately Jake doesn't do a lot in there except take bets and clean up. The bookies isn't really a place to develop any really gritty storylines more light hearted and commical ones and I suppose this is the reason why it's not featured much. Although having said that we did have dramatic storylines during the Andy and gangster era.
I'm sure that the Jake/Pat interaction will continue and hopefully grow, also I'm hoping that one day Jake will tell Pat what is wrong, I'm certain she will understand. I'm hoping that Jake will be interacting with the other Wicks too, Carly and Kevin.

I sort of like Dawn again and I think your right it is to do with the scripts that she is getting that I'm in two minds about her. I think that Dawn would be good for Jake, she would provide a bit of fun for him which is what he needs right now. I don't want Jake/Dawn to be a permanent thing just a bit of fun and a no ties sort of relationship, a casual one which will suit both of them. I thought about Jake/Carly too, although I like her I think she is too "quiet" for Jake.

Babe14

17-04-2006, 10:49

you cant take back what you said about the mitchells now :p

and the loving sonia part we been at it for years did you think she became a lesbian overnight?? :rotfl:

Oh yes I can, I've cancelled it all out:rotfl:

:rotfl:

diamond1

17-04-2006, 13:29

i really think jake is in the stage where is character is being devolped into whatever they want it to be so i reckon they should make jake a hero as his way of redemption i really think that to do this eastenders need to have another huge disaster but this time big budget kick ass explosions, deaths and injuries not a fairground slide falling down i dont know what they can do and whatever it is let jake save a child like courtney,ben,aleesha,freddie or keith miller

BlackKat

17-04-2006, 16:17

littlemo

17-04-2006, 21:39

I heard that Jake was power of attorney, and he makes Grant manager. And Ruby will get everything when she's 18. It's put in trust for her.

Babe14

18-04-2006, 08:35

I think Grant is made the manager of Scarlet's -- apparently the office is referred to as "Grant's office." Honestly, it wouldn't put it past EE to make Grant the manager and Jake to have nothing to do with the club once he's offered Grant the job, and then for Jake to disappear once again. Still...positive thoughts I guess. Reports do conflict, like I said, the Radio Times mention Ruby being the new owner, yet apparently it's Grant hosting the launch party so what's she worried about? We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Jake is definitely in Easties next Thursday and Friday, then there is no mention of him in the spoilers for the following week but I think Scarlets is mentioned,so maybe we will see Jake. I think maybe we are going to get a whole batch of exit storylines dominating Easties again, i.e Sonia/Martin (that will please diamond1:lol: ), Lil Mo etc.

Speaking of which, I agree Jake needs a storyline which is very dramatic but he ends up being a hero. In away he is kind of a hero now, he saved Grant's life. (Um..I feel a theory coming on:lol: :p )

I can understand if Jake wants nothing to do with Scarlets. Maybe he will continue to work at the Bookies but at the same time be involved with Scarlets (and another:p :lol: ) therefore he could still do a bit of wheeling and dealing with Grant and be smack bang in the middle of all the drama (which he seems to be now anyway).

I've done screencaps of last weeks episodes, I just need to get them all uploaded, which could take a while. There's about 150 of Thursday's episode alone. I did go slightly overboard.

:rotfl: Your as bad as me! Only with me at the mo it is Analysing and Theories.:lol:

Speaking of which - this is like a brand new start for Jake with all the Danny and Johnny stuff out of the way,a chance for Jake to have a new life one which won't be screwed up all the time. "Turns over a new leaf" could be referring to Jake and Ruby starting new lives but separately. You know sortingout their differences but going their separate ways...

Babe14

18-04-2006, 08:40

BK I Love your Banner:wub: :love: he is just sooo sexy espec when he's off on one:lol:

Babe14

18-04-2006, 08:42

I saw the plane and Jakey's grin, also I noticed he poured Duncan a vodka:lol:

diamond1

18-04-2006, 09:56

am i missing something.....who's duncan??

Babe14

18-04-2006, 10:56

am i missing something.....who's duncan??

Sorry I'm going back to last week and the scene with the salesman "Duncan" was his name.

BlackKat

18-04-2006, 11:22

:rotfl: Your as bad as me! Only with me at the mo it is Analysing and Theories.:lol:..

It was very difficult cutting it down to that many. "Okay, so these two are pretty much the same...but his expression is a little different. Yet both expressions are equally as good. Oh, put both in." :lol:

BK I Love your Banner:wub: :love: he is just sooo sexy espec when he's off on one:lol:

Thank you, :D He does look so sexy when he angsts. :wub:

Babe14

18-04-2006, 11:27

I love that end piccy where he's looking at Ruby, makes me feel all funny*Thud*

BlackKat

18-04-2006, 11:33

That scene was definitely *thud* I can safely say it's the only moment I have ever wished I was Ruby. Jakey can invade my personal space anytime he likes, :wub: :lol:

I liked the moment across from that in the banner as well, where he looks at his hands then brings them up to his face like he's praying. He did look quite freaky with Juley's blood all over his face and shirt.

Babe14

18-04-2006, 11:53

That scene was definitely *thud* I can safely say it's the only moment I have ever wished I was Ruby. Jakey can invade my personal space anytime he likes, :wub: :lol:

He can grab me anytime he likes too:wub: :lol:

I liked the moment across from that in the banner as well, where he looks at his hands then brings them up to his face like he's praying. He did look quite freaky with Juley's blood all over his face and shirt.

Aww he was so sweet when he did that. I'm loving all the nice hand shots we're getting. One thing I've noticed he doesn't do the hand down the back/side of the head anymore:crying:

Notice Jakey's tufft hair in the piccy of him looking at his hands.:love:

BlackKat

18-04-2006, 12:24

Babe14

18-04-2006, 13:00

Just tested a few they work perfect. Jake just has to wear that brown pin all the time and get himself a new blue shirt, unless he can get Pauline to remove Juley's blood from that one.:lol:

Of course he has to wear the battered leather and that lovely new olive coloured jacket with the logo across the back that he had on in Friday's epi, too:wub:

Thank you so much for doing all this for us all and for all your time and effort spent on it.:)

Babe14

18-04-2006, 13:05

Just had a Jakey moment - Brown pin plus his chocolate brown shirt or brown pin plus his brown stripe shirt (it's brown and then you have three stripes, plain brown bit, three stripes, plain brown bit, etc, he wore it in a Chrissie scene)

P.S. Do you like my slight hint? (re signature):lol: (it just popped into my head when I wasn't looking)

Layne

18-04-2006, 15:20

Monday’s caps (http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/katscreencaps/Monday%2010th%20April/)
Tuesday’s caps ( http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/katscreencaps/Tuesday%2011th%20April/)

Here's the first two sets from last week -- like I said, Thursday's could take a while. :) Let me know if the links don't work.

Thanks honey - you don't mind if i use some caps for some fanart do you?
Jake looked so good in that suit! And in the hoody Jacket thing :wub: x

BlackKat

18-04-2006, 21:29

Yep, fanart is fine. Do what you want, fanart them, drool over them, print 'em out and stick 'em on your wall. Just no reposting or nicking and everything's fine. :)

That brown pin is divine, :wub: We have to see that again. I wasn't a big fan of the stripy brown shirt though (the one he wore on Sharon's birthday? I think that's the one you mean Babe14.) His grey shirt would look good though -- the one he wore when he was going to take Chrissie to lunch but Danny threw a paddy about Johnny. (Obsessed? Me? Never. :p Just a very good memory...yes, that's it. :lol: )

And I love the sig -- there's the potential there for a great friendship between these three I think. :) Although it is quite strange to read Jakey's profile on the BBC site and see the Mitchells down under 'Enemies' for putting Chrissie in prison -- even though neither Jake or the Mitchells seemed that bothered about it once it was over. :lol:

BlackKat

18-04-2006, 22:45

Ta-da! Thursday's screencaps (http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/katscreencaps/Thursday%2013th%20April/)

I've brightened some of the ones in the house (when he's talking to Phil and Grant) a bit because they were quite dark, but as far as I can see the quality isn't affected too much. :)

Same as before, anything's cool but reposting or nicking. :) Oddly, the day that will take about two minutes to upload (Friday) is the one I can be arsed doing tonight. Should be up tomorrow though. :)

Babe14

20-04-2006, 08:24

I love his hoodie on it's own as well as the hoodie plus his battered leather worn together.

Fav Jakey Jackets

Hoodie
Battered Leather
Battered Leather plus hoodie
New olive Jacket with logo
Brown Pin

Babe14

20-04-2006, 08:28

I guess that Jakey's profile now needs updating and the Mitchells need to be taken off his enemies list and added to his close freindship list, :lol: I suggest Johnny is put in their place under enemies.

have you noticed they still have "Fortune Favours The Brave" under most likely to be heard saying" er..when??/
I've noticed that he no longer says "It's a pleasure, my pleasure" I used to love it when he said this,he made it sound very sexy:crying: :wub:

If it's o.k with you I might "nick":p someo f those caps to add to my personal collection

Just to let you know I have gone theory mad and have come up with two possible distasters where eventually Jakey ends up being a hero (re Diamond1's idea) There will be a few twists in it and the end of the "Theory" will lead to the start of another Big "Theory" which could turn out to be an ongoing one for a while:p :p

Also have another one involving (*************)

BlackKat

20-04-2006, 09:03

If it's o.k with you I might "nick":p someo f those caps to add to my personal collection

Yep that's fine. When I say nick I just mean taking them and saying you did them. I know you, or the other people who post here wouldn't, but just in case anyones lurking. :)

And, yeah "Fortune Favours The Brave," -- when did he ever say that?! If they're going by what he says most often it should probably just be "Danny."

I think what I liked with the hoodie is it made him look quite young -- especially paired with the leather jacket. I don't what it is about hoodies, but seriously put any character in one and they'll either look vulnerable or sick. Obviously not if its a "I mug old ladies" hoodie, but y'know what I mean.

Plus you can just imagine ickle teenage Jakey with his leather jacket and scruffy trainers, with wee Danny tagging along behind him. :lol:

Babe14

20-04-2006, 09:17

LOL! I think it makes him look sexy espec as it rests just on the top of his jeans.:wub: I like hoodies anyway apart from Danny ones.

Other things which Jake says most are

"Oh great, great"

"Go to hell Johnny!"

"Where are my Best Mates Phil and Grant!":lol:
"When's my next Big Storyline? Will I be in a scene more than 2 seconds?":lol:

diamond1

20-04-2006, 14:54

BlackKat

20-04-2006, 20:13

I wish Phil and Grant would have waited a bit before snapping Jake out of his crazy trip. Then he might have decided Ruby needed to die (for her own good of course) and shot the little ungrateful brat.

Urgh. What a horrible little cow she is. :mad: Not just to Jake either, to everyone.

I'm still not seeing just what Charlie's problem is with Jake, but I don't care because I just about wanted to marry him (Charlie) after his telling Ruby off. Of course they'll forgive her tomorrow, because she's a delicate flower, and Charlie even raising his voice slightly has damaged her little flower-ness.

Olive jacket again tonight, :wub: :lol:

And Jake and Pat scenes! Jake and Pat rock. And Jake is so right with what they should do with Scarlets. Although he did look so hot sat behind the desk. Damn stupid Grant being the manager and getting to sit in the chair.

Babe14

21-04-2006, 10:18

I'm still not seeing just what Charlie's problem is with Jake .

The disaster theory I'm working on sorts that one out:p :lol:

Although he did look so hot sat behind the desk.

That is the piccy I have always had of Jake when I think about Jake running Scarlets and partof the reason why I want him to:wub:

(Waiting for the omnibus this week)

P.S.:rotfl:

Babe14

21-04-2006, 10:23

jesus.....together the three of us have more theorys than the da vinci code and LOST put back to back on channel 4.

although ill never know what jakes quote is i do know joel becketts should be "either use me on tv or heres my week's notice see you on ITV"

:rotfl: Joel would be great in an ITV action packed drama. Just wearing a pair of Jeans and nothing else:wub:

If they don't give Joel his fair share of "Viewing" time then if I was him I would switch to ITV.
Like you said Diamond1 given how many theories us three come up with and very frequently, the Beeb can't turn around and say "We have no more storylines for the character and feel he has gone as far as we can take him" Can they now?

diamond1

21-04-2006, 12:24

oh no just got this off the eastenders website:

"After just over a year Jake moon (joel beckett) is leaving walford.His final scenes will appear this summer in a very explosive storyline which directly involves ruby.sources say the door will be left open and a spokesperson also agreed "we have taken jake has far as we can i feel more of the spotlight should be focused on the true stars of the show" this shock announcement comes straight after the departure of nana moon (hilda braid) alfie moon (shane richie) and the death of on-screen brother danny moon (jake maskal)"

l

diamond1

21-04-2006, 12:26

Babe14

21-04-2006, 12:55

this is so stupid,i cant belive it awwww thats so bad im really upset now.....oh well cause im only joking the whole things a wind-up my bit of amusement there but yeah babe14 i agree with what you say theres no doubt that this news will appear sooner than later the way they use jake in the show!

You rotter! I really believed it and was about to write a real stinker of an email to Eastenders.:lol: Plus I was about to stop watching Easties for good:lol:

diamond1

21-04-2006, 13:04

Babe14

21-04-2006, 13:05

the way they use jake in the show!

Er.. don't you mean "lack of"

When they do use Jake it is fantastic and they are developing the character exactly how I want him to be. In the finale of the Johnny feud Jake was used correctly unlike he was in the Den storyline, where he only played the part of a wall flower. Jake is being used in the Big storylines as promised but out of the two so far he has only been used correctly once. Also it was nice for Jake to actually have his own storyline. I don't want Jake rammed down our throats this is what ruins a character and their potential.

Like I have said before two of the other soaps I watch have got the character "viewing" time correct. For example one set of characters may be on screen for about 10-12 days where an ongoing storyline starts and continues along side a mini storyline, then the other characters are used for 10-12 days, again we have another big storyline combined with a mini one. So we end up with two big storylines airing at the same time. The other "Viewing" time is done by the first half of the week one set of characters plus big storyline, then second half of the week another big storyline with the others. (In this case it is about 3-4 days per set).

Out of the two I prefer the 10-12 day rotation.

Look what you've done Diamond1 set me right off on one:rotfl:

Babe14

21-04-2006, 13:11

:lol: im sorry i dont know what came over me but it still was a good one if you fell for it i saw what you wrote about them taking jake as far as they good and it gave me the idea ha although im sorry to have worried you

Btw is this jakes last week for a while because i dont think he is listed for ages yet

It's ok no need for apologies I appreciated the wind up:lol: But boy did my heart sink!

I don't know but at guess I'd say yes. This is ok I'm quite happy for Jake to go Awol for a few days but it MUST NOT be for weeks on end. The Mitchells also need a break soon otherwise they will be ruined again. (IMO anyways)

P.S. Still working on your disaster idea:p

Babe14

21-04-2006, 13:22

New love interest for Jake possibly Carla depending on the outcome with Grant.

If I had my way...:lol:

Layne

21-04-2006, 16:51

Oh my god i actually believed you then, i was all on my highhorse slagging EE off and i was just about to write an essay on it and then email the bbc about it!
:rotfl:

BlackKat

21-04-2006, 21:16

They’re running it together. Glad I was wrong about that, because all the spoilers did sound like it was just going to be Grant (saying it was Grant’s office, that Grant was doing the relaunch etc). But see – Updated already, lol. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/backstage/albert_sq/map_locations/albert_sq_scarlet.shtml)

They looked so cool in the office, with Jake sat on the desk. And liked Grant offering to help Jake even before Jake asked him to work there properly. And Grant helping Jake with Ruby as well. (Speaking of, she wasn’t as bad tonight. In fact she was good. I still have doubts but if she continues like that she might just be okay…*unsure* Just not sure why she suddenly doesn't mind about Jake killing Danny, but not complaining because she was nice to him for once.)

Jake and Grant work really well together, and I like how Grant is looking out for Jake, saying that running the club would be good for Jake and give him a fresh start etc.

*is happy* So hopefully this means we will see Jake next week even though he’s not mentioned. I mean, he’ll have to be at the opening, won't he so :thumbsup:

BlackKat

21-04-2006, 22:00

The disaster theory I'm working on sorts that one out:p :lol:

Oo, does Charlie die in this 'disaster' then? That'll sort him.

:p

I don't think they should make Jake too much of a hero. For one I don't think that's how redemption works, because Jake could save a hundred people's lifes, but he still won't be able to get back Danny's and that's really what it's about - Jake not being able to take back that bullet.

Also I think when characters become the 'Hero,' with capital H, they tend to become slightly cartoonish. They may be three-dimensional or flawed, but you know they'll swoop in and save the day. I want Jake to be kept human, a generally decent guy but someone who will make mistakes, and not just once but numerous times because that's what people do. I like that Jake doesn't always do the right thing (eg, helping Chrissie escape) but he keeps trying to do it.

Tannie

21-04-2006, 22:45

I liked that to that Grant is going to hep Jake with the club. I always think that Ruby has suddenly relisead that Jake is only trying to help her get on with her life.

Babe14

22-04-2006, 08:21

I'm so glad that Jake is going to be back at Scarlets. When you think about it, Grant is going to be disappearing again soon so someone will have to run Scarlets. I have liked the idea of Jake having his own club for a long time he is just so right for it.

Looking forward very much to the omnibus as I haven't seen any of this weeks. Hopefully we will be seeing Jakey again next week and a lot more from now on, a lot of the time when a character isn't mentioned in the spoilers it doesn't necessary mean that they won't be on screen.

P.S. BK no in the disaster theory Charlie won't die but just be very sorry that he has been horrible to Jakey,:lol: infact he will end up thanking him and owing him for the rest of his life, of course this isn't what Jake will want as far as he will be concerned he did what he had to do, right place, right time etc.:lol:
Jakey wouldn't be a hero, Hero but will just do what any one would of done at the time but this is going to lead to some happiness for Jake for once and the start of another theory a Big one:lol: :p :p

I love Jake the way he is now, he is a fantastic character. Nothing will ever change what happened with Danny, it is something he has to live with for the rest of his life. So Scarlets is a fresh start for Jakey (Turning over a new leaf)

diamond1

22-04-2006, 17:14

i have now come to the conclusion i preferd jake best around january 2005 and this past december there was more of a moody dark way about him which was reflected a bit week before last. dont get me wrong i like the interaction with the mitchells but i wouldnt like him as how can i say a lapdog (erm no and lackey isnt acurate i cant think of what he would be to the mitchells) but imagine if one episode phil was in a bad mood and jake walked past and said hello and phil being phil had a go at him no doubt the writers would have jake back down and look stupid and when the mitchells have got something dodgy going on they will USE jake and no doubt he will jump to it.

If jake could be like he was to martin fowler in a recent episode ("yeah your so funny,so funny your wife left you for a lesbian")a lot more of the time and have touching moments like with ben i would really like it.

Being the club manager wont allow that so im expecting him to wear suits,look through the books and occasionally drink in the vic with ian beale or billy mitchell in various episodes.i do still hope for a dennis/dot kinda friendship with pat and she could help him through the guilt and insecurity he still must have as we now know jakes main objective in eastenders is redemption over danny.

BlackKat

22-04-2006, 18:18

dont get me wrong i like the interaction with the mitchells but i wouldnt like him as how can i say a lapdog (erm no and lackey isnt acurate i cant think of what he would be to the mitchells) but imagine if one episode phil was in a bad mood and jake walked past and said hello and phil being phil had a go at him no doubt the writers would have jake back down and look stupid and when the mitchells have got something dodgy going on they will USE jake and no doubt he will jump to it.

I wouldn’t want him to be like that either. However I doubt he will. For one, the writers are cutting back on the dodgy gangster stuff, not just with the Mitchells but full stop. We are seeing the Mitchells as older, more family focused than before. There was also real concern for Jake in the last few weeks. After Phil’s guilt over Dennis, I doubt he would put anyone else in that sort of danger again. Plus Jake isn’t an idiot. He knows when something’s dodgy. If he did get into something dodgy with the Mitchells, he would know it.

Plus, they still have Billy if the Mitchells need a toady. Seriously, they'll never tire of that little routine.

They've been writing Jake fine for me lately, and have been since December. I'm more worried about them not using him enough, than them not using him correctly.

Babe14

23-04-2006, 08:48

I loved Jake during the past week best, we really did see his lovely brutal and dark streak, I also loved him when he first appeared on our screens. Like I have said before I love the way the character is developing and just love the character, he is different. I can't see Jake ever being a lap dog to the Mitchells or the boys using him as one. They have mutal respect and loyalty building, Jake isone of them now as far as the boys are concerned, anyways they have seen his temper!!

Babe14

23-04-2006, 08:59

Being the club manager wont allow that so im expecting him to wear suits,look through the books and occasionally drink in the vic with ian beale or billy mitchell in various episodes.i do still hope for a dennis/dot kinda friendship with pat and she could help him through the guilt and insecurity he still must have as we now know jakes main objective in eastenders is redemption over danny.

Running Scarlets puts Jake in the perfect place for some very good and big storylines and won't change the character at all. Infact if handled right this puts the character in the perfect positon for his brutal and dark side to be used along with his gentle side. Prior to the Danny shooting we were seeing Jake's couldn't give a stuff attitude coming through and I think that he will be less caring in the future, more colder but his gentleness will still be there when the need arises.

Babe14

23-04-2006, 09:04

They've been writing Jake fine for me lately, and have been since December. I'm more worried about them not using him enough, than them not using him correctly.

Exactly for the character to continue to develop and for Joel to stay in character he needs to be used more and on a regular basis, not as I have siad before rammed down our throats as this would have the opposite effect and ruin the character. As we have seen the more Jake/Joel is on screen the better he gets and the more drama/action/emotion involved in the storyline the better he is. I cannot praise Joel enough as an actor, given decent storylines and scripts he just shines and shines.

BlackKat

23-04-2006, 10:10

Layne

23-04-2006, 10:12

Tannie

23-04-2006, 10:22

i think it is Jacob through but that's what i assume because i heard it from somwhere but he got called Jake since he was young.

Babe14

23-04-2006, 11:14

Okay, question I should know the answer to, but don't, for a fic: Has it ever been said what Jake's full name is. Quite a few places (wikipedia, imdb) say it's Jacob, but has that ever been said on screen? Or has it ever been said it isn't Jacob?

:searchme:

I don't beleive it has, but your right Jake is short for Jacob. There again I seem to have it at the back of mind that it may of..we know very little about Jake, we don't know if he has any other names or how old he is, or when his birthday is. Infact I think he's about the only Easties Character who hasn't had a birthday since he's been there.

I've drawn my own conclusions about how old he his I'd say 30.

Now his full name: Jacob Edward Moon = JEM (and that is what he is):lol:

Or he could have his father's middle name: Jacob Robert Moon/Jacob Robert Edward Moon..

BlackKat

23-04-2006, 11:27

I don't beleive it has, but your right Jake is short for Jacob. There again I seem to have it at the back of mind that it may of..we know very little about Jake, we don't know if he has any other names or how old he is, or when his birthday is. Infact I think he's about the only Easties Character who hasn't had a birthday since he's been there.

I've drawn my own conclusions about how old he his I'd say 30.

Now his full name: Jacob Edward Moon = JEM (and that is what he is):lol:

Or he could have his father's middle name: Jacob Robert Moon/Jacob Robert Edward Moon..

I think I did the maths once and figured out the youngest Danny could be is 28, so I think you're right and Jake is about 30, maybe 31. Maybe his birthday is in the summer and this is why it hasn't been mentioned yet -- as last summer he wasn't in Walford.

I can also see him having his father's name as his middle name.

Hm...I think I'll go with Jacob as his full name until we get told differently. :)

diamond1

24-04-2006, 11:23

wow found this in todays sun

"dear diedrie,
I feel the urge to kill myself but i cant life has been tough for a while but in the last year it's got worse in november my girlfriend got incarcerated for murder and we split up weeks later sometime later my grandmother died and my cousin left to live in america.After months of brooding in my flat i left my house to see my estranged brother caught up in some dodgy buisness a week later i killed him by complete accident.Im 30 and my brothers 28 and he told me he had killed someone and he then revealed he was going to do it again we had a quick scrap and he knocked me out but he left his gun i followed him outside and was going to shoot him in the arm but i missed and killed him.In a reversal of fortune i have been granted to look after a nightclub but i still feel lost"

dear reader,
it seems you should confess but if you dont want to thats fine i feel you should really take a long look at yourself in the mirror a girlfriend that commited murder a brother who commited murder and now yourself a murderer have you realized what you have done i cant see you ever getting over the fact you killed your brother but i do sugest that you read my leaflet 'you have killed your brother what now?' or watch eastenders they have a very similar circumstances "

ok i didnt really find it in the sun in fact i made it up :lol:

answering everyones question im sure jake is not a name jacob is however a name jake is a nickname isnt it?

im sure people have named their child jake instead of jacob.its like danny is a nickname for daniel!

jake hasnt had a birthday but when has he been on the show for a long period of time it could be august,decemeber,january,febuary even march
because he wasnt always on screen in these months i am inclined to belive it is in decemeber.

another question was jake in prison with alfie over the credit card fraud?

diamond1

24-04-2006, 11:25

maybe his birthday was in the summer because when he returned he came back with loads of new t-shirts :lol:

BlackKat

24-04-2006, 16:10

another question was jake in prison with alfie over the credit card fraud?

I don't think so -- wasn't it mentioned that Alfie hadn't seen Jake and Danny since Alfie went to prison. It was Alfie that took the fall for that. I'm inclined to believe it was Jake that committed the fraud as well, because Danny couldn't tie his own shoelaces.

Jacob is the original name, but I'd say Jake as a name on its own is quite common. So really it could be either. :searchme:

Dutchgirl

24-04-2006, 20:50

BlackKat

24-04-2006, 21:06

Aw, Jake making non-alcoholic cocktails for The Brat. Like Grant said, bless his little cotton socks. :wub:

Oh, but then The Brat throws a tantrum, and Jake just stands there and lets her, so Grant can swoop in. :rolleyes: Didn't like that. Although Jake did get a bit angry when he grabbed the bottle off her, the rest of the time he was just "Ruby, please just stop." (Not just him, Stacey as well). People need to stop treating her with kiddie gloves. Even Grant did once he got her into the office.

Nice look between Jake and The Brat at the end when she finally stopped acting like a five-year-old. But she needs to start growing up, or get the hell away from Jake so I can mute her scenes in peace.

Jake looks at home in Scarlet. :wub: He really belongs there. And Deano getting a crowd in so Jake will "make it worth his while" -- Jake gives him a measly two free drinks. :lol:

Babe14

26-04-2006, 12:20

Jake belongs in Scarlets and I beleive it's the job that Jake has always wanted. Remember during the exit week when Jake was a *Thud* builder, he said something about wanting a decent job that brought in decent money and didn't want to be carrying cement around for the rest of his life, he wanted to make something of himself. Well with Scarlets he is doing just that, running a club is a responsible job with the kind of money that Jake wants. Also he is bright and uses his brain (well except when he's traumatised and Juley is about!!) I love Jake at the Bookies main reason being Pat but their isn't really much prospect here for him, except to own it, yes the money is there but Jake needs his own place to run and that is Scarlets.

P.S. Loved last week's scenes with Grant and Pat. He looked so right in that chair at Scarlets and I loved it when he just sat back in it *Thud*

Babe14

26-04-2006, 12:23

I don't think so -- wasn't it mentioned that Alfie hadn't seen Jake and Danny since Alfie went to prison. It was Alfie that took the fall for that. I'm inclined to believe it was Jake that committed the fraud as well, because Danny couldn't tie his own shoelaces.

Jacob is the original name, but I'd say Jake as a name on its own is quite common. So really it could be either. :searchme:

When Danny and Jake first came to the Square Alfie was not happy to see them. Alfie did time for them after they committed Credit card fraud. I loved their arrival, althoug hI wasn't into Jake at first:lol: but it didn't take me long to fall for him:wub: :lol:

diamond1

26-04-2006, 13:46

[QUOTE=diamond1]wow found this in todays sun

"dear diedrie,
I feel the urge to kill myself but i cant life has been tough for a while but in the last year it's got worseQUOTE]

hahaha, you are good, this could be a real one , wow. Well funny!:bow:

sadly i read them all the time so i picked a few things up along the way :)

and babe14 you didnt like jake at first?? first the mitchells now jake well.....:banned: ------jokes :p

Babe14

28-04-2006, 09:43

[QUOTE=Dutchgirl]

sadly i read them all the time so i picked a few things up along the way :)

and babe14 you didnt like jake at first?? first the mitchells now jake well.....:banned: ------jokes :p

:lol: I loved the Mitchells when they first arrived on the square, they provided all the drama , action and great storylines, but then like everyone else I became fed up with them. They took over the square, pushed everyone around and basically just became violent thugs and I especailly hated Grant. Although when his tears flowed I did feel sorry for him at times. I've never really disliked Phil he became the character I loved to hate and now I'm loving him with Ben.

WhenJake and Danny first arrived on the square I thought god what have they brought into the square now. However I did like the scenes we had with them and their first storyline with the counterfeit money and drugs. I loved Jake's coment to Danny when Danny opened the bag and went oh..Jake asked him oh what,looked inside the bag and said "Have you got a time share for a brain":lol:

It took me a couple of weeks before I began to fall for Jake, infact it was after an interview with them that I began to fall for him. Danny the jury was still out on and I guess I never really took to him, although there were some very touching moments and some very commical ones between him and Jake which I loved.

So there you have it an essay on how I loved/hated/then loved again the Mitchells and how I fell for the Moon babies.:lol:

Babe14

01-05-2006, 12:15

Last week's Jake Scenes:

Loved the fact that Jakey is back at Scarlets.

Noticed that he had another new Jacket and Jumper.

Loved the fact that Grant's and Jake's friendship is developing

Loved the end scene with Jake and Ruby in Scarlets. That look was so lovely on Jake's face, he was really pleased that Ruby Said "Jake is right" awww and she even gave him a warm smile!!!

Wasn't very happy that when Ruby chucked a wobbler, it was Grant who picked her up and carried her into the office, it should of been Jake. (Although this was funny) Reason why I didn't like this very much is that Jake was made to look "weak" once again, even his "that's enough" didn't sound how it should. O.K I suppose Jake is still treading on egg shells where Ruby is concerned and that is why he was pussy footing around her. Also Grant is older than Jake and is used to dealing with spoilt selfish brats (Re His and Phil's sister Sam)so he knew just how to handle the situation.

So hopefully now Ruby wil give Jake a break and start realising what a lovely guy he really is, how much he is hurting and how very luck she is to have someone like this to look out for her.

I hope that Jake will be used on a regular basis with good storylines/scripts etc and not pushed into the background.

I'm wondering if Jake is still working at the Bookies during the day and at Scarlets at night? Also I noticed that Grant was helping out in the Vic. So deos this mean that Scarlets is just open in the evenings at the mo?

BlackKat

01-05-2006, 22:35

Wasn't very happy that when Ruby chucked a wobbler, it was Grant who picked her up and carried her into the office, it should of been Jake. (Although this was funny) Reason why I didn't like this very much is that Jake was made to look "weak" once again, even his "that's enough" didn't sound how it should. O.K I suppose Jake is still treading on egg shells where Ruby is concerned and that is why he was pussy footing around her. Also Grant is older than Jake and is used to dealing with spoilt selfish brats (Re His and Phil's sister Sam)so he knew just how to handle the situation.

I think it was a mixture of all those -- one, they're on a Super!Grant kick, and a Delicate!Ruby kick into the bargain. Ruby can do no wrong, and Grant has to be Superman, other characters be damned. But also, like you say Jake is still hesitant around Ruby, and probably has no experience with 17-year-old girls, especially ones as annoying as her.

So I think it somewhat made sense that he wasn't more firm with her. It still stunk though. :p

Oh, and Ruby's tantrums don't look set to decrease. Next few weeks she fires Grant because he won't take her flirting with him seriously. Yay for unfair dismissal. Not to mention, unfair dismissal at a club that isn't even yours yet, Bratface. However maybe we'll get to see Jake in another new t-shirt when he escorts Ruby to a work tribunal? Namely an "I'm With Stupid," one. :p

TV Choice mentions this week that Jake tells Grant that Ruby has a crush on him, so we must see him this week if only briefly. AAS (covers the two weeks after this) has a pic of Ruby and Grant in the club which I think has an out of focus Jake in the background. I'm pretty sure it is Jake, but like I say it's out of focus so don't want to say for sure. :)

littlemo

01-05-2006, 22:41

Yeah it is Jake in the picture, I've seen it!

Ruby is out of order getting rid of Grant. If it wasn't for him Ruby wouldn't have accepted the club from Johnny. Jake needs to let Ruby know how unreasonable she's being. But it doesn't seem as if he does.

It could be interesting seeing a vindictive side to Ruby's personality. Hopefully it won't stretch to Stacey though. A good storyline, but it wouldn't be nice for either of them to lose their friendship.

BlackKat

01-05-2006, 22:48

It could be interesting seeing a vindictive side to Ruby's personality. Hopefully it won't stretch to Stacey though. A good storyline, but it wouldn't be nice for either of them to lose their friendship.

I don't think it sounds like she's been vindictive to Grant, I think it sounds like she throws a strop. She really is becoming a ridiculous character. Louisa isn't a strong enough actress to give any depth to Ruby's tantrums or showing any meaning to them, so Ruby comes across as a shallow self-involved little girl.

I hope someone does pull her up over firing Grant, and I hope it's Jake telling her that it's him running the club for now and he'll hire and fire who he likes. But like you said, it doesn't sound like he does.

Babe14

02-05-2006, 08:53

Well if it has been scripted that Jake just stands by and does nothing about Ruby firing Grant, then the writers have lost it and will not be doing the character any justice whatsoeever. Infact they will be making him look weak and pathetic again, which we all know Jake is not.

If I was scripting that particular scene/episode I would not just let Jake standby and do nothing. I would either (a) make him take Ruby to one side and tell her that she cannot just fire someone because they "don't fancy her" and that she is being ridiculous and making a complete fool of herself. I would end Jake's "conversation/word" with Ruby by telling her that if Grant goes then he will leave to and if this happens then there will be no one to run the club as she isn't old enough to do so or cannot until she is 18 by law and that until then he has power of attorney. So basically at the end of the day it is him who has all the say until such a time.

Or quite simply (b) That Jake is the one with the Power of Attorney and he is the one who does all the hiring and firing and that if Ruby doesn't like it, then tough because that is the way it is.

Either way I would have it so Jake was turning the tables on Brat for once and gave her a good dose of her own medicine. And I don't mean softly softly either.

Going back to last week - another point I loved was when Jake walked past Stacey's stall (in his new jumper!!) and she was talking about getting bladdered and Jake told her that she wouldn't be. Another interaction I like. Maybe I'm liking Stacey and Jake better than Brat Ruby and Jake for now.

Personally I think that the writers are going overboard and being ridiculous by making every women and "teenager" in Walford having the hots for Grant.

BlackKat

02-05-2006, 16:11

From Soaplife:

Monday 15 May
Ruby orders Jake to sack Grant from Scarlet's.

:mad: :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if Jake tries to talk her round or just does it, but either way Grant does end up without a job.

So, okay:

1) The fact that Ruby has to 'order' Jake to do the firing pretty much confirms the fact that she has no authority to speak of. So, she can order Jake about yet can't actually fire Grant herself. Yeah, whatever. She has authority over Jake because Jake gives her authority, because he's already said he won't run the club without Ruby's backing. He works for Johnny, not her, and if we see him actually take her 'orders' with a straight face and no argument I'll scream.

2) Ruby 'orders' Jake? That better be the magazine spin on it, because I have absolutely no wish to see Jake bowing down to a 17-year-old girl, and especially not that one. They've already practically reduced Stacey into being Ruby's lapdog, and Johnny before her. :mad: But yet again, it seems they will screw everyone else's character over to promote Bratface.

Edit: Actually, after looking more into this, if the agreement with Johnny is set up as a trust fund, with Jake as the trustee and Ruby as the beneficiary, she may have some control. If it's set up as Power of Attorney, which is to be handed over to Ruby when she's 18 then she doesn't have any control. They haven't actually clarified which it is yet.

Honestly, I think Ruby and Jake does have potential and it would be interesting to see them learning to deal with each other but we have to see Jake starting to assert himself.

I think the week Jake went crazy was good because they were both hurting, Ruby over her dad and Jake over Danny, that they couldn't actually see what was going on outside their own head, and were just seeing what they wanted to see. That's what I want to see, not Jake rolling over for her. Sometimes Jake is in the wrong, for example he went about 'looking after' Ruby in completely the wrong way. However a lot of the time Ruby is in the wrong, yet no one seems willing to tell her that. Not Grant, not Stacey, and now apparently not Jake.

To end on a positive note:

From All About Soap's letter page -

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/51/aasletter1ol.jpg

Hee!

I love that photo. It's the same set that this one comes from:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1/44aas17fa.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44aas17fa.jpg)

:D Even when the scripts look set to suck, Joel's sexyness never disappoints. :wub:

BlackKat

02-05-2006, 20:10

littlemo

02-05-2006, 21:57

First Jake webcam script in a long time:

Filming today: Episode 1030 Tx: 30/06/06
BRADLEY: Now I know how Bond felt when he nearly got his wotsits toasted by Goldfinger.
JAKE: Oi 007, why don't you ask Q for a bigger weapon?
STACEY: Just get inside, quick.

:lol: Sounds like he's in a good mood. Glad to see some interaction with Bradley as well.

Yeah I think the scenes with Bradley and Jake are great! Well when I say scenes I mean scene. The one outside the Vic when Bradley pushed him over for 'supposedly' taking advantage of Stacey. Fantastic!

I wonder why Jake is having a go at Bradley? What could he possibly have done?! I can't wait to find out.

BlackKat

02-05-2006, 22:03

Yeah I think the scenes with Bradley and Jake are great! Well when I say scenes I mean scene. The one outside the Vic when Bradley pushed him over for 'supposedly' taking advantage of Stacey. Fantastic!

I wonder why Jake is having a go at Bradley? What could he possibly have done?! I can't wait to find out.

I don't think it sounds like he's having a go. Just kinda laughing at his expense - not in a vicious way, just a sarky way. :searchme: Guess we can't really tell from three lines out of the whole scene.

Babe14

03-05-2006, 08:55

I would say Jake is just being friendly and ribbing Bradley, going along with whatever is happening at the time. I just love Jakey's sense of humour.

I do like the way Jake is gradually being interacted with All the characters, older and younger ones. He is definitely a good role model for the younger ones. I.E Stacey, Bradley, Ben, Brat etc.

I hope that Jake isn't just going to accept Ruby telling him to fire Grant, at a guess I'd say that there will more than likely bemore to this than we currently know. What exactly does Grant do to get himself fired, it has to be more than just rejecting Ruby's "crush", espec for Jake to fire him. Maybe Jake won't do it and tells Ruby exactly that? Still all will be revealed in time.

Yes BK Joel just gets sexier and sexier.:love: Love the piccy!! Both Joel and Jake are hot not only on their sex appeal but on acting ability and as a character also.:love:

I have no problem with Jake being "fed" to us slowly but he MUST be used on a regular basis and the character must not be made to look "weak" through duff scripting.

diamond1

03-05-2006, 11:43

ruby sacks grant from the club.....oh dear

well lets just hope somewhere along the line eastenders sacks ruby from the show.

stupid little cow she takes the mick acts like she knows it all and her im better than everyone else attitude.notice she has like ONE friend in the whole world thats becuase she is a stuck up little....cant jake shoot her in the head make it like a late night special so i can see that hole in her head that way i can be convinced that she is never coming back to eastenders so i nver have to hear her annoying whinging character anymore.

:wall: im sure everyones caught me in a great mood today

Babe14

03-05-2006, 13:23

Oh dear D1 you having one of those?:)

Don't you like Ruby then?:lol:

I'm beginning to think that they are going to try and turn Ruby into the Bitch from hell. Afterall she is Johnny Allen's daughter.

There is no way on this earth I will ever accept her incharge of Scarlets, not only because she hasn't got the first clue about running a club but Ruby just looked so ridiculous and small sat in the chair last week, mean come on who will take her seriously?

Babe14

03-05-2006, 13:30

Thinking about it again, I hope that Jake is still working at the bookies as well so as not to have burnt all his bridges as come October Jake will have to hand Ruby her "Inheritance" over. So where will this leave Jake? Up the creek without a paddle come October once he hands everything over to brat.

Although there is one way. One which will wipe the smile of brats face and provide a fantastic twist...One which mean brat will have to fight for What is hers....

BlackKat

03-05-2006, 15:29

Actually I'm hoping somewhere along the way if Ruby continues acting like she is that Jake goes on strike. Says, well if it's your club and you can do what you like then you do it all. Oh, and takes the barstaff with him. Once she discovers that she hasn't an idea how to do the books, hire any staff, organise any delivery or even sign for the delivery since it's alcohol and she's underage, serve alcohol since, again, she's underage, and that basically she has no clue how to do anything, she'd go crawling and begging Jake to come back.

Actually, knowing her, she wouldn't go crawling back. She'd throw a paddy at him and demand he comes back. And then I hope (as D1 suggested) that he shoots her. I suspect even less people would miss her then Danny.

littlemo

03-05-2006, 21:19

Oh dear D1 you having one of those?:)
There is no way on this earth I will ever accept her incharge of Scarlets, not only because she hasn't got the first clue about running a club but Ruby just looked so ridiculous and small sat in the chair last week, mean come on who will take her seriously?

Money gives you power, and no matter what happens Ruby won't be managing the club single handedly. She still has all those 'mates' of Johnny's that will help her out if need be. She does look small but I think she must have picked up a few things having Johnny as a dad.

BlackKat

03-05-2006, 22:36

Money gives you power, and no matter what happens Ruby won't be managing the club single handedly. She still has all those 'mates' of Johnny's that will help her out if need be. She does look small but I think she must have picked up a few things having Johnny as a dad.

I don't think any 'friend' of Johnny's would be willing to work for a kid. They'd most likely use her for their own ends, and she'd be too stupid to notice.

Ruby would have money and, yes, with it power. However anytime she tried to cut a business deal, dodgy or otherwise, she'd just get people laughing in her face. The once great Johnny Allen's business empire is now in the hands of what is essentially, a child. At the best, she could keep the club from going under.

Actually, I don't even see how she could do that. I'm Ruby's age and, honestly, if someone handed me a nightclub I wouldn't have the first clue on how to run it, and I pride myself on having slightly more common sense then her (not that it's much of an achievement).

Why would she have picked things up? Johnny tried desperately to keep her away from that part of his life. Even if he didn't, again, my parents talk about their work all the time, it doesn't mean I'd have the faintest clue on how to do their jobs.

Sorry but for me Ruby running the club would just be laughable.

Babe14

04-05-2006, 12:08

Ruby running Scarlets is a big NO.
With regards to Johnny's friends Ruby won't be likely to contact any of them, or I doubt that she knows any of them, because they belong to the "Johnny Gangster Era", one of violence etc and Ruby hated all of this, hence the reason she made Johnny hand himself over to the cops and 'fess up. Also part of the reason why she is being funny with Jake.

Ruby and Jake running the club together would be possible providing it was mainly Jake running the club and having full ownership. Jake would take care of all the "dealing and negotiation", whilst Ruby could do all the meaningless stuff which would basically mean she would be starting at the bottom inorder to work her way up the "chain"

I'm thinking maybe this could be what the writers will have in mind (or it could be the other way, which I would love, but if this happened it could send Jake slightly ape once again:love: :lol: :p ) afterall Grant is disappearing again and Jake will need someone to help him run the club. Infact I'm quite sold on this idea of Ruby and Jake working together but they would have to be TOGETHER and not on opposite sides of the fence (just to clarify I don't mean as a couple, more along the lines of "Brother/sister")

Babe14

04-05-2006, 12:12

I don't think any 'friend' of Johnny's would be willing to work for a kid. They'd most likely use her for their own ends, and she'd be too stupid to notice.

Actually this could be very interesting to see. Ruby thinking she's got everything in hand and doesn't need Jake, can handle it, only to find herself in very deep water. I.E made to be an "Escort" slowly losing control of everything, club etc.. This would teach the brat a very good and valuable lesson.

BlackKat

04-05-2006, 20:48

I don’t actually mind if things aren’t hunky dory between Ruby and Jake. Actually, I think it would get kinda boring if they were getting on all the time. I just need there to be a good reason why things aren’t hunky dory, and Ruby being an unconscionable brat isn’t one.

Putting aside my hatred of Brat, they do have the potential to have great drama between them. But it would have to come from Ruby’s issues about Johnny, and Jake’s issues about Danny (and the whole protective thing in general). Having there be conflict because of that, yet still need each other around is good drama. Her being a brat and saying “I want you to do this, that and the other, and oh, fire Grant because he laughed when I made googly eyes at him,” is not.

I wouldn’t want that to be Jake’s main storyline though, cos I'm sure we can think of better things for him to be up to. ;) :p

^ So I wrote that before tonights eppy, but didn’t have time to finish and post. And while the above still stands, tonights gave me an idea: I think they’ve hit on the perfect way to have Ruby involved in the club, and actually the show in general. Just keep her off-screen. It gets rid of the need to have a big dramatic exit storyline if she was to leave, but we don’t have to see her and we can enjoy our Jake scenes in peace. ;) So mention her, eg “Oh, Ruby said she’d be down at the club later,” or “Ruby said she’d babysit for you.” Yet she never actually appears. :thumbsup:

Only one scene with Jake. But hee! at teasing Grant about the “mystery” woman. (“Shouldn’t have phone calls in public then.”). And teasing him about Ruby’s crush. And aw, at Grant’s first pay packet, and Grant being cheeky asking for a raise. :lol:

Noticed the line about Jake telling Grant to make sure he behaved himself around Ruby. It wasn’t said threatening, just a friendly way, but still noticed it. I wonder if maybe Ruby tells Jake that Grant’s tried it on with her in order to get him fired. Evil if she does, and I'd hope Jake would talk to Grant to hear his side first. But just a thought. :searchme:

Babe14

05-05-2006, 11:12

At the mo I'm watching Easties on a Sunday, which I quite enjoy as you have the whole lot together. If howeverit's a Big Jakey one then I watch during the week and Sunday!!:lol:
I was wondering the same thing about Ruby, BK, if she does tell Jake that Grant tried it on with her or something and I can see then why Jake would fire Grant. (oo just the thought of Jakey getting angry and steamy yummmmy:wub: ) Given how Jake must still be feeling I can see him acting first and thinking later. This could be the start of the "drama" between Ruby and Jake, the type of behaviour you can get between a brother/Sister. Yes I like the idea of Jake having a rebellious sister to cope with, but this must not be a Danny repeat where Jakey puts his life on hold and basically spends it mopping up again and allowing Ruby to screw it up just like Danny did. He must now have his own life as well as a surrogate sister to care for, like the Mitchells and their sister Sam.

I'm happy that Jakey is being used on a regular basis, even though it is just a scene or two this will keep me going until his next Big Storyline, where he has to dominate it, like all the other characters do when it is their "Big One"
I think this maybe a while coming though, because of all the new comings and exits:crying:

I've been thinking about something else as well, Jakey has a lot of Dennis' traits, don't you think? In one way they are turning part of Jake into Dennis but at the same time he is his own character, one which is very interesting and has many sides too, one which of course I like very much.:love:

Babe14

05-05-2006, 11:28

I don’t actually mind if things aren’t hunky dory between Ruby and Jake. Actually, I think it would get kinda boring if they were getting on all the time. I just need there to be a good reason why things aren’t hunky dory, and Ruby being an unconscionable brat isn’t one.

I agree. Although I'd like Ruby to be nice to Jakey it would become boring. There has to be times when Jake isn't nice to brat too.

Putting aside my hatred of Brat, they do have the potential to have great drama between them. But it would have to come from Ruby’s issues about Johnny, and Jake’s issues about Danny (and the whole protective thing in general). Having there be conflict because of that, yet still need each other around is good drama. Her being a brat and saying “I want you to do this, that and the other, and oh, fire Grant because he laughed when I made googly eyes at him,” is not.

No it must not be made where Jakey bows and Scrapes to Brats every whimper and Whine. Jake could play the part of the "overprotective" brother and Ruby could tell him about it and how she needs her own space, but at the same time be the rebellious sister whom Jakey will have to keep in line for her own good. They could fight most of the time but, like you've said, still need each other and be there for one another when the going gets rough. ( there are very few perfect relationships around, most have drama and conflicts, whether it is brother/sister, sister/sister, mother/daughter, father/son etc.)

I wouldn’t want that to be Jake’s main storyline though, cos I'm sure we can think of better things for him to be up to. ;) :p

Like minds again??:rotfl: The list goes on and on and on..every day I think of something new for him to be involved in.

Only one scene with Jake. But hee! at teasing Grant about the “mystery” woman. (“Shouldn’t have phone calls in public then.”). And teasing him about Ruby’s crush. And aw, at Grant’s first pay packet, and Grant being cheeky asking for a raise. :lol:
Aww I love it when Jakey is cheeky and playful:wub:

There are a few parties coming up, one of which is Billy's stag night where the new "stripper" character comes into the show (SJ), apparantly one lucky fella ends up with her, be nice if it was Jake but then I'm thinking maybe it could be Phil. I like the idea of Jake being kept "available" for now, this way he can flirt and play with all the new totty that's around:lol: :wub: (Time he had his kit off again:lol: ) So back to why I mentioned all this, before I got side tracked, is that we should see quite a bit of Jake.

BlackKat

05-05-2006, 12:43

Aww I love it when Jakey is cheeky and playful:wub:

There are a few parties coming up, one of which is Billy's stag night where the new "stripper" character comes into the show (SJ), apparantly one lucky fella ends up with her, be nice if it was Jake but then I'm thinking maybe it could be Phil. I like the idea of Jake being kept "available" for now, this way he can flirt and play with all the new totty that's around:lol: :wub: (Time he had his kit off again:lol: ) So back to why I mentioned all this, before I got side tracked, is that we should see quite a bit of Jake.

So do I -- I love it when we get him bantering with someone as part of a duo. We used to get some great scenes like that with Danny and Alfie, I'm glad we're seeing it with Grant as well.

I was also thinking that about SJ (ridiculous name by the way, I really couldn't call anyone by initials) and Jake. According to Soaplife her stage name is Scarlet, which ties in with the club. But then it could be any number of the guys in the Square, I think there's about 8 or 9 single guys in there at the moment, :lol:

Babe14

05-05-2006, 12:48

So let's think we have:

Jacob:lol: :wub:
Phil
Gary
Minty
Grant (it had better not be)

That's all I can think of. I'm going for Jacob or Phil.

BlackKat

05-05-2006, 12:53

Tannie

05-05-2006, 12:54

Babe14

05-05-2006, 12:54

It would be good actually for Jacob to get off with SJ and have some fun, it's what he needs right now, no tie, casual relationship.

I can just imagine them going out to dinner and afterwards going back to Jacobs for coffee and it comes to that moment and Jakey saying something like "Fancy coming upstairs and giving me my own private show" or making some witty remark about how he's seen her naked before and liked what he saw...

Babe14

05-05-2006, 12:58

There's also Martin (heard he's getting with Carly, so unlikely to be him), Gus (is boring), Juley (is skeevy), Deano (is annoying), Mickey (is helium filled), and Doctor Oliver (probably leaves with Little Mo, but I've not heard anything concrete).

Yeah, I'd probably go with Jacob (:p) myself, looking at the other options. I think Grant's most likely ever left or leaving by the time she comes in, so it won't be him.

Deano I don't think she'll be interested in, although that won't stop him trying it on with her. Mickey I had forgotten about, could be a possibility. Dr Oliver I took it that he was with Lil mo. Martin forgot he was now single but can't really see him with her.

Decided I want it to be *Jacob*

Babe14

05-05-2006, 13:00

I watch it on a sunday to and i think Jake and Grant proabley would clash i know they are good mates but they both have diffrent attitudes towards life althrough Grant seems to be nicer then he was the last time he arrived in the square. Jake's been through a lot which i think only makes him stronger.

Yes Jake is definitely very strong. I like Grant this time round to and do like the interaction between him and Jake, although I think I might prefer Jake and Phil.

BlackKat

05-05-2006, 13:01

Deano I don't think she'll be interested in, although that won't stop him trying it on with her. Mickey I had forgotten about, could be a possibility. Dr Oliver I took it that he was with Lil mo. Martin forgot he was now single but can't really see him with her.

Decided I want it to be *Jacob*

What I meant with Doctor Ollie is that if he doesn't leave with Little Mo, he would be single by the time SJ came in. However I do think he is leaving.

Mickey annoys me, don't find him sexy at all. It's the voice, goes through me.

It could be they've decided to finally give Garry or Minty a girl, but they do seem set on having them as a non-comedy duo leering over every girl they see.

Babe14

05-05-2006, 13:10

It would be nice for Minty to get a girl, so could be.

I still like Dawn and Jake together, although she annoys me, I do think that there is potential here for these two. Dawn has a strong personality as does Jake, so there would be plenty of fireworks here. So part of me thinks it won't be Jake and SJ but there again it could be and this could start the flames of passion burning between Dawn and Jake.

The reason I think it could be Phil is as far as I can see there isn't anyone around for him at the mo for him to get together with. So maybe SJ goes with Jakey first then ends up with Phil and Jake ends up with Dawn for a while, until.....:p :lol:

diamond1

05-05-2006, 17:23

awww minty will have to find a girl soon cause it will be unfair what happened to that woman he was with before? anyway....what was jake and grant talking about last night on the door of scarletts (-or tuesdays episode im getting confuzzled i didnt hear it.

sj and jake unless shes a good actor i still want jake and dawn to get it togther because if they dont why the hell did they hint at it for weeks over christmas....actually does anyone get the feeling dawn isnt liked i mean come on they portray her as a ugly chav...(want proof watch the episodes where she wanted to be a model-)so maybe they feel she isnt suited to jake as he is sophisticated and she isnt?

oh and by the way going back to the episode on thursday or tuesday jake was saying something to grant while putting up a poster of the world cup...hate to say i told you so but..... :)

diamond1

05-05-2006, 17:30

no offence to any chavs reading this :(

Babe14

06-05-2006, 11:24

I think having Dawn and Jake together would put Dawn's character back on track again. When she first appeared in Enders (France) I took to her immediately, but when she came to the Square I started to dislike the character, not at first after a few epis. The model saga was just deja vu Sam Mitchell, in the early days she was always ranting on about being a model. I'm sure that it is the silly storylines that they have given to Dawn that is putting me off her. I don't want Jake and Dawn to be the new hot long term forever romance just a casual no ties one, I would like Jake to end up with a certain someone else whom I have mentioned a few times:). For this to happen a few other things will have to happen first.

Going back to SJ I am almost convinced that it will be Jake she sets her sights on and this could be the start of this happiness that Jake is suppose to be getting at some stage. There again it could be the other:p :lol:

Babe14

06-05-2006, 11:27

oh and by the way going back to the episode on thursday or tuesday jake was saying something to grant while putting up a poster of the world cup...hate to say i told you so but..... :)

Yes, I am noticing that a few of our "Theories" are starting to appear on screen along with one or two of our expressions. Time to start negotaiting Terms me thinks:lol:

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 11:33

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 11:36

Yes, I am noticing that a few of our "Theories" are starting to appear on screen along with one or two of our expressions. Time to start negotaiting Terms me thinks:lol:

Hm...for every expression used I'd say one scene with Jake naked, allowing a towel or other item to cover up down there. Now theories would be a little more expensive... :p :lol:

Babe14

06-05-2006, 11:48

Hm...for every expression used I'd say one scene with Jake naked, allowing a towel or other item to cover up down there. Now theories would be a little more expensive... :p :lol:

:rotfl: :lol: Poor Joel he'd be naked more than he was dressed:wub: The towel has to be the "Hankercheif" size one:lol: Jake doing a strip would be down payment on "Theories" but his "Modesty" can be hidden by a pint of beer or something in the way, like they did on Emmerdale with the stripper or as they do in some films. Speaking of strippers will SJ be revealing all??:eek:

Babe14

06-05-2006, 11:58

The thing I loved about Dawn when she first appeared is that she was totally unapologetic about who she was. During the boob job storyline she was "Why should I be covering them up -- I love my fake boobs!" But now she seems to have lost that. Faking modelling jobs and black eyes is just...no.

The storylines are doing her no favours at all. Sometimes she strikes me as a very sad character, in that she seems to desperately want more than what she sees in Walford and what she sees in her mother's life, yet she's not actually sure how to get more or what in particular. This came through with the storyline about her dad lying about taking Rosie away from Walford. However, with the model storyline it doesn't come across, and she appears vain and stupid.

At first Dawn was a very strong and confident character with potential but then they did the usual and started portraying her as a weak character through duff scripts, some which I found very stupid. I cannot understand why they trash all the characters who have the most potential.

When Joel returned after the "Exit" storyline the same was done with him, he became a wall flower and was portrayed as weak. Then they kept making Jake vanish. However things now appear to be on the up and going in the right direction with Jake he is being portrayed correctly. Hope this will continue or else.:angry:
Maybe we should start coming up with a few theories for Dawn:p :lol:

The other thing that could put Dawn back on track is the departure of Rosie and Demi. This could be the making of her. However, if nothing changes it will be obvious they just want her to be the stupid vain barmaid. I think this will be decision time on what they actually want her to be.

In a way Dawn/Jake put me slightly in mind of Rosie/Mike. Dawn is very like Rosie in appearance and like you said I think that she is frightened of ending up like Rosie, she wants more out of life. With Rosie and Demi going, Dawn will have to look after Mickey, Darren and Keith, cook, clean etc. Maybe at first Dawn will just automatically without realising start turning into Rosie by doing this, then suddenly she will realise what is happening.

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 12:08

In a way Dawn/Jake put me slightly in mind of Rosie/Mike. Dawn is very like Rosie in appearance and like you said I think that she is frightened of ending up like Rosie, she wants more out of life. With Rosie and Demi going, Dawn will have to look after Mickey, Darren and Keith, cook, clean etc. Maybe at first Dawn will just automatically without realising start turning into Rosie by doing this, then suddenly she will realise what is happening.

I also think, if Rosie and Demi leave tragically which I think they very well might, we have the chance to see Dawn's true potential. I think she could be a very strong character, both in terms of what potential she has but also what she's like as a "person." One thing she has in common with Jake is the ability to pick herself up and carry on. We've seen this with her dad, which is why I dislike her coming across as so pathetic with the modelling, as it's surely less important. :rolleyes:

Babe14

06-05-2006, 12:23

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 12:29

I have a feeling that Rosie and Demi will have a tragic exit. This will be good as the Millers will finally have another storyline and hopefully Dawn will be portrayed as the strong character who we all thought she was. Yes I can see Mickey, Darren and Keith all needing Dawn to be strong for them and Dawn being the one who holds everything together, just like Rosie would of done, as she was always the strength in the family.

I kinda wish Mickey was going too. Purely for selfish reasons, because I can also see them portraying him as the "strong" one, and that would just bore me. So if we clear him out the way we've got more chance to see Dawn's potential.

(oops are we starting on Dawn now):lol:

Well I suppose the fact that we can write about her shows in her favour. Actually, shows in Ruby's favour too. At least they're getting a reaction (even if in Ruby's case it is a mostly negative reaction), the majority of the characters these days I can hardly think of a sentence to write about.

Maybe there will be an interaction with Jake and he will be able to help her through it all, being her strength maybe. There again poor babe has enough to cope with right now, so would he want to get invovled? Hell course he would, this is Jake we're talking about:lol:

They could help each other :searchme: If Dawn is taking more responsibility of her family it would perhaps parallel with Jake taking on responsibility for Ruby.

diamond1

06-05-2006, 12:40

are you suggesting the new characters are dull?

why on earth would you think like that.......i mean deano is such a asset to the show if he wasnt in it same as naomi and bert great assets im only joking.

i know this might not be popular but if it wasnt for jane and grant the last week would have been awfull everyone says how brookside got bad at the end in its dying day it was better then than the last week in ee.

im not really fussed about dawn too much but dawn and jake would be cool and im sure one day those wacky producers will see sense.......im not too sure about AJ or whatever her name is im guessing by recent standards in a few months B.S would be more suited but thats being harsh.

and yet another week goes by where jake is again a nobody standing in the shadows

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 12:50

are you suggesting the new characters are dull?

why on earth would you think like that.......i mean deano is such a asset to the show if he wasnt in it same as naomi and bert great assets im only joking.

i know this might not be popular but if it wasnt for jane and grant the last week would have been awfull everyone says how brookside got bad at the end in its dying day it was better then than the last week in ee.

Bert's okay. At least he has a spark of actual personality. Bradley's good, I liked Jack (Honey's dad), Carly's growing on me. Everyone else passed Dullsville about 50 miles back and they are now about to enter Coma Town. And that includes some of the not-so-new characters as well.

Jane and Grant bored me too I'm afraid due to the complete lack of chemistry. :thumbsdow

Babe14

06-05-2006, 12:51

I kinda wish Mickey was going too. Purely for selfish reasons, because I can also see them portraying him as the "strong" one, and that would just bore me. So if we clear him out the way we've got more chance to see Dawn's potential.

I like Mickey,(yes his voice does get me at times) he is another character who has been pushed into the background. I thought the same whilst I wrote that about Dawn, however I can see maybe Mickey trying to be strong then just breaking down during a chat with Dawn in the kitchen resulting in Dawn taking over the "strength" scenario.
Although Dawn/Jake could be one anothers strength I can't ever see Jake telling anyone, except maybe Pat, about what has happened to him. (No I'm not going to mention her again:p ) I can see a realtionship developing between the two from this.

the majority of the characters these days I can hardly think of a sentence to write about.

Yes Eastenders is a bit strange at the mo with a load of new characters in it but give it time..

diamond1

06-05-2006, 12:53

i actually quite like mickey so itll be cool to see him in a storyline that dont involve him acting like garry jnr.

Babe14

06-05-2006, 12:57

Bert's okay. At least he has a spark of actual personality. Bradley's good, I liked Jack (Honey's dad), Carly's growing on me. Everyone else passed Dullsville about 50 miles back and they are now about to enter Coma Town. And that includes some of the not-so-new characters as well.

Jane and Grant bored me too I'm afraid due to the complete lack of chemistry. :thumbsdow

Bert? Couldn't stand him at first and still can't in a way, but I can at least stand him a little now. I think it's him being put with Big Mo. It gets on my nerves the way he keeps harpingon about us Northerners, you Southerners (most Northerners are very friendly and don't act like this).

I like Bradley, Carly, Kevin, Honey, Joe, Jack and Deano I liked at first but again his character has been assassinated by stupid scripts.

I think the only one I don't really like at the mo is Bert.

Babe14

06-05-2006, 12:59

Oh and Deano of course and Naomi (shows how much Ilike her, I'd forgotten all about her!!)

diamond1

06-05-2006, 12:59

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Jane and Grant bored me too I'm afraid due to the complete lack of chemistry. :thumbsdow

i didnt mind jane and grant i did prefer grant when he was a psychopath as this new millenium man grant really just walks in a scene arches his eyebrow nods his head and says something witty(i mean personal note to ross kemp: you have watched the Rock too much on Tv really forget it i know you where in sparticus but its still not the scorpion king) but grant 2006 and jane where ok and did entertain me alot more than the rhinana lookalikey chelsea will do.

is it still true dawn goes with martin aswell because hes got chelsea to go through after carly?

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 13:04

Bert? Couldn't stand him at first and still can't in a way, but I can at least stand him a little now. I think it's him being put with Big Mo. It gets on my nerves the way he keeps harpingon about us Northerners, you Southerners (most Northerners are very friendly and don't act like this).

I like Bradley, Carly, Kevin, Honey, Joe, Jack and Deano I liked at first but again his character has been assassinated by stupid scripts.

I think the only one I don't really like at the mo is Bert.

Yeah the Northerner thing is annoying. But so is Kevin's "London rocks, but I can't wait until I can leave," thing, and they go on about it so much you end up wishing they'd just go there already.

My problem with the newbies isn't that they're annoying in anything that they do (although Deano is) it's just that they're so completely dull. I like that we've seen a compassionate side to Bert with him helping Martin out. Whereas all the other "sides" of the newbies has been so clearly labelled: "Hi. Deano is purposefully driving a car with his eyes closed and therefore endangering lives because he's grieving. This is his deeper side. Aren't you interested now." Not really, no.

There's nothing that grabs me and says "Well yeah they aren't doing much now but they do have potential." Whereas Dawn did. And Jake did in bucketloads. (Not so much with the 'not doing much' as back then he was, but in the "okay, I want to see more of this guy and see what he's about.")

BlackKat

06-05-2006, 20:31

I can't ever see Jake telling anyone, except maybe Pat, about what has happened to him. (No I'm not going to mention her again:p ) I can see a realtionship developing between the two from this.

Was just wondering about this --- Do you think Jake would ever tell Alfie? :searchme: Obviously this would require Alfie coming back in EE, and Jake still being around when/if he did, but fun to speculate anyway.

Part of me thinks he would - for one thing, Alfie's going to start asking questions when it becomes apparent that Danny has completely dropped off the face of the earth, and Jake doesn't seem that worried about it. I also think Alfie would understand what happened, and support Jake.

But the other part thinks Jake wouldn't, because Alfie is his last remaining family (apart from Spencer I guess, but no one cares about him :p ) and he wouldn't want to risk losing that. And even though, like I said, Alfie would understand, it's still a big thing to get his head around.

Babe14

07-05-2006, 07:59

Jake could explain Danny's absence to Alfie by just saying that he has no idea where he is and as far as he's aware Danny is still off round the world trying to find himself.

OK this would convince Alfie at first although not entiely, sooner or later Alfie would know that Jake is hiding something and eventually get the truth from him. Yes he would be shocked and prob go funny on Jake for a bit, whilst getting his head around it all and over the shock, but then we would have one of those lovely Alfie and Jakey scenes, emotion, hugs, heart to heart and Alfie would then be able to give Jake the support he needs. Oh I do miss Jake/Alfie they worked so well together.

Alfie Jake's last remaining family? Um..what about Daddy (one and two:p - no I will not let this one rest:lol: )then there is mum (poss with new family) and finally we have brat:p

Just had a really silly idea but I would just love it, say Pat was Jake's mum:lol: this would make good viewing, but it could never happen as it would be a bit stupid.

BlackKat

07-05-2006, 10:22

Bugger. Yeah. (http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=405001#post405001)

Well, guess I don't have to worry about trying to keep with EE when I go away to uni anymore. At least it's Joel's decision this time as well.

I am disappointed, but if they refuse to do anything with him what can you expect.

:thumbsdow

diamond1

07-05-2006, 20:18

I am disappointed, but if they refuse to do anything with him what can you expect.

:thumbsdow

Im not really surprised...disapointed but not surprised its annoying because they are rapidly getting rid of all the characters i like and replacing them with people i flat out dont like and to be honest its testing my patience with the show to be honest.

Although i did a joke of this a few weeks ago obviousley i didnt want it to happen....But even then i saw this coming and i agree with joel becketts decision 100% i mean as an actor who has been in the office and a few films it cant do much for his career having as much screen time as winston and tracy.

and like BK i dont have to worry to much about eastenders too much now of course ill watch it but when i get home from work late its not like i have to worry about watching it

Babe14

09-05-2006, 12:20

Well I am truly gutted especially as things were really starting to look hopeful with Jake and there was huge potential for the character, but I have had a gut feeling about this recently and saw it coming. However I do not blame Joel one tiny little bit he was under used and hardly has any screen time whatsoever. Even during the aftermath of killing his on screen brother Danny, he still did not have as much viewing time as other characters have when they play a central role in a storyline. Most of the time Joel has a two minute scene every now and then if he is lucky, although I was beginning to think that this was changing as we were seeing Jake at least once a week. I felt that he had now been put in a central position for far more screen time than he was getting or had in the past. Joel will be missed from Eastenders as he is the only decent thing about the show at the moment and the one who has the most potential and ability to carry out some huge storylines. Joel is not only a very sexy and lovely guy, he is an amazing actor and deserves far more than Eastenders have been giving him, they were basically wasting the character. And have I missed something on the offical site it says " several explosive storylines"??? um.. yes two, one which he was a wall flower and the second, yes excellent, but I felt that Joel did still did not get his fair share of viwing time. To me Eastenders is rapidly going down hill and become very plastic, stupid scripts have been produced, good characters have had their personalities assassinated and good characters have been destroyed as a result. No Joel is getting out at the right time, before the Sh**t really hits. Also Joel has hopefully prevented himself from becoming "typecast" by leaving the show after two years, I believe that he left the Offce after two series (not sure whose decision that was) but I think he has the right idea by keep "moving" on, a bugger for us but great for him.

I am glad that it is Joel's decision this time and that he has had a chance to turn the tables on the "people" who were responsible for firing him after only three months and were forced to reinstate him due to public demand. I am glad that he is not being killed off and I hope that it is a good storyline for his exit, one which is worthy of him (hope I've got that right. What I mean is one which he truly deserves)

Jake has to be one of the most interesting characters I have seen in all my time of watching Eastenders,(only since it started back in 1985, 21 years+) he is a complex character who has many different sides to him, a character who I have thoroughly enjoyed and will continue to do so until he leaves:crying:
Oh well at least you won't be getting anymore theories from me:lol: OK I admit it I contacted Joel and he is going to come and work for me:lol:

I mentioned recently on here about Joel defecting to ITV if he doesn't get his fair share of viewing time, but in all seriousness I think that he will be better off doing so as they produce far better scripts, dramas, soaps than the BBC. (Funny how shortly after I mentioned that Joel announces that he is leaving:lol: Maybe he'll be joining Ross on Ultimate Force. Funny when I was watching that the other night I had this piccy of Joel in Army uniform:wub: Yes I can see "Action" Joel!!)

My Final Theory - I hope that Jakey's "Exit" storyline will be a very happy one...Childhood sweetheart..Sunset..Happy Ever After:love:

I wish Joel all the very best and wherever he goes I hope that he will be far more appreciated than he was in Eastenders.

Babe14

09-05-2006, 12:23

I guess that we won't be seeing Jakey until his exit storyline now, which I guess his viewing time will be all of two weeks, :angry: unlike some who are in your face for months on end, Sonia/Naomi/Martin. Lil Mo/Oliver.:angry:

Babe14

09-05-2006, 13:26

BlackKat

09-05-2006, 13:54

Was wondering if Brat is going to be involved in his exit? If so I hope it's not going to be another "grass up" and I CERTAINLY hope that it won't be a prison exit for Jake, that really would be taking the piss..

If she ruins our last months of Jake I will not be pleased.

Oh no..I think that this may mean that Brat will be running Scarlets...

Actually I might stick around just to watch that. I've a feeling I'll be needing a laugh after Jake's left.

It better not be a prison exit, as they're usually dull. Also I wouldn't buy Jake trying to shift the blame, and a simple "Yeah, I did it," is hardly explosive. I would like it however if his exit storyline tied in with Danny in someway. I don't think this would just have to be a "Danny's dug up," story, it could either be linked to their past or just Jake's behaviour. I think Jake and Danny are too tightly linked to ever take them fully away from the other (if that makes sense.)

But I agree with your above post as well. My reaction (after the initial "What?!") was..."Run, Joel, run. Run from the crappy show."

Siobhan

09-05-2006, 13:59

Maybe Jake breaks Chrissie out of prison and move to brazil to live happy ever after

Dutchgirl

09-05-2006, 17:27

Maybe Jake breaks Chrissie out of prison and move to brazil to live happy ever after
Ah yes that would be cool, and totally realistic as far Eastenders is concerned, that would meet my aproval!:thumbsup:

Babe14

10-05-2006, 07:17

If she ruins our last months of Jake I will not be pleased.

Actually I might stick around just to watch that. I've a feeling I'll be needing a laugh after Jake's left.

Me too. It's amazing how much you grow to love a character and how sad you are when they decide to leave, this is obviously down to brilliant acting. Joel really did Jake justice and portrayed/(s) his character wonderfully, there are times when I see Joel in Jake. Yes I'm going to miss him, but at the end of the day it's only a soap:)

Yes if Brat ruins Jake's character or it is destroyed like all the others have been I will be very angry. :angry:

This would be done by:

Danny's body being discovered and Jake being banged up.
Ruby making Jake go to the Police
Jake deciding that he can no longer live with the guilt.

If any of the above happened the character would be destroyed and portrayed as very weak and I will be very annoyed.

I think a happy ending will be best for the character as it is time for Jake to have some happiness, of course it would have to be dramatic in the beginning leading to the eventual happiness.

I would be happy with Jake going to Brazil and running a club there with Grant, this would be a completely fresh start for him.

I would like it however if his exit storyline tied in with Danny in someway. I don't think this would just have to be a "Danny's dug up," story, it could either be linked to their past or just Jake's behaviour. I think Jake and Danny are too tightly linked to ever take them fully away from the other (if that makes sense.)

It was mentioned during the "Get Johnny week" that Johnny brought the Private Woodlands and no one would ever of found the Mitchells, so going with that I can't see Danny being found, unless someone was Trespassing or something. If this did happen then I want Jake to do a runner with the Mitchells being involved and it has to be more "James Bond" style than just getting on a plane or into a back of a cab in the middle of the night.
Cue Grant and Jake in Brazil. (Wow a spin off with Jake and Grant in Brazil:wub: )

I can see where your coming from with the "Danny Link" which would be fine so long as it's not another "Body Discovery" and another Bloody prison exit. Personally I don't want Danny involved at all, I want it to be all about Jake, his own personal storyline.

But I agree with your above post as well. My reaction (after the initial "What?!") was..."Run, Joel, run. Run from the crappy show."

Joel and Eastenders have never felt 100% right to me. Part of me has always thought that Joel needed more and that the soap was to "Tame" and "Amaturish" for his acting abilities, he was restricted. Not forgetting the lack of decent storylines or Scripts or Screen time, he was wasted.
An Actor like Joel needs room to grow.
I am going to miss the character, but Joel has made the right decision and if Eastenders wanted him to stay they would of "Negotiated" with him.
Also I think that there is a lot of things happening with the soap that we don't know about. When long established Actor/Actresses such as Natalie Cassidy, James Alexandriou leave then questions are going to be asked.

Why though is it that they waste all the good characters/actors/actresses and use the crap??

End of another essay:lol:

Babe14

10-05-2006, 07:19

Ah yes that would be cool, and totally realistic as far Eastenders is concerned, that would meet my aproval!:thumbsup:

I've been thinking Brazil too and yes I would settle for that or quite simply Jake joining Grant in Brazil.

Babe14

10-05-2006, 07:25

Been working it out and I'm guessing that Joel's Year contract runs out in July, which means he may of signed another 3 month contract to take him up to October which will be exactly two years since he joined the soap.

BlackKat

10-05-2006, 08:11

I can see where your coming from with the "Danny Link" which would be fine so long as it's not another "Body Discovery" and another Bloody prison exit. Personally I don't want Danny involved at all, I want it to be all about Jake, his own personal storyline.

I think though it would be Jake's own storyline, even if Danny was "involved." I just feel that, like I said, they're too tightly linked. His behaviour with Ruby for example is due to his relationship with Danny. I mean, your past forms who you are and Jake's past is Danny.

Oh, I miss Jake&Danny. It's weird, I don't miss Danny at all. But I miss Jake&Danny and their relationship with all its screw ups and hurt etc. :( I think this may be another reason I'm not as upset as I thought I would be with Jake leaving, as well as the fact that it's Joel's decision this time (though I am upset of course). I always wanted to see Jake&Danny's story finished and it has been, so at least we got that.

Babe14

10-05-2006, 11:31

Yes there were some lovely Jake and Danny momnets, some of which I was thnking about the other day. The scene on the bridge where Jake told Danny about Andy and another one where Danny had upset Jake again and Jake brought him a pack of crisps. Sorry but for me Danny just became a pain in the ass and I hated him for not letting Jake have a life and every time things looked up Danny would screwit up for Jake.

I really want Jake to go off to Brazil with Grant for a completely fresh start, I suppose Danny could somehow be incorporated into the storyline but I don't want his body discovered or it to come out about Jake killing him. If it does however then I would like to see the "James Bond" exit.
However, after having said all that if we had another "Body" scenario it would be yet another repetitive storyline, no Jake's exit has to be something new and fresh, a surprise something totally unexpected..

P.S. I see that Adam Woodyatt is now threatening to quit, can't possibly think why:rolleyes: (I told him to run!)

Babe14

11-05-2006, 12:58

Elsewhere, Ruby puts her foot down at the club and tries to dock Grant's wages for being late. Grant doesn't take her seriously and takes the rest of the day off. How will the young entrepreneur react?

So now we know why Ruby orders Jake to sack Grant.

Also going back to Jake's "Explosive" exit storyline.

I have been reading the article on DS and have noticed that it says Jake's exit is part of an explosive storyline. The article also says that the door is being left open for a return in the future.
So going by that I'm guessing that there will be no body discovery:cheer:

I have this gut feeling that the Explosive storyline will be to do with the Mitchells. Reason being that Ross is suppose to of just signed a 6 month contract? which roughly takes him up to October which means both Ross and Joel will be leaving the show at the same time.

OR your fav "THE BRAT":lol:

BlackKat

13-05-2006, 10:21

Elsewhere, Ruby puts her foot down at the club and tries to dock Grant's wages for being late. Grant doesn't take her seriously and takes the rest of the day off. How will the young entrepreneur react?

BWAH! Young entrepreneur my ass. What's she done in the club? Jake and Grant do all the hard work, getting it back up and running. Or is throwing a tantrum, smashing up the bar and having to be carried into the office all part of her master business plan? :rolleyes:

The more it sinks in about Joel leaving the more convinced I am that Joel has done the right thing.

Seeing as he didn't even get the usual 3 second scene this week I can only agree. My best case scenario would be if Joel stayed in the show and got some decent stuff to do (or you know...something to do) but if that was never or very rarely going to happen (as I suspect would have ended up being the case) I think he's done the best thing.

I can already predict Monday's episode.

Ruby: I want you to fire Grant.
Jake: Okay.
(Grant walks in).
Jake: You're fired.
(Grant raises an eyebrow, and is sad.)
(Cut to next scene.)

:p :rolleyes:

Edit: Okay, we may possibly get more than the above (source: The Sun's review of next week)

Mainly about Phil, Ben and Grant. but it does mention Grant getting fired:

There's more trouble when Grant fails to respond to Ruby's flirting at the club.

Stung, she orders Jake to sack him. Meanwhile, Ben upsets Courtney by blurting out that he heard his mum say, Grant killed Tiffany.
[cut]
Next day, Grant goes to the club to pick up his P45. Dejected, he tells Jake that he sometimes wishes that Danny had shot him.

Oh, that's cheerful. "So thanks for that whole 'shooting your own brother' thing which saved my life, even if you did go all manically depressed over it, but sometimes I wish you hadn't bothered." :lol:

Babe14

13-05-2006, 11:59

When I first read that I mistook it for Grant telling Jake that he'd wished Danny had shot Jake!! Poor Jake though, by Grant saying that he may go all depressed again.:crying: Or he could go into a really bad mood and take it all out on Ruby:lol: No I can see Jake's little concerned look on his cute face when Grant says that...awww. So I take it this is exit Grant for a bit?
One things for certain is that when we hit the Screen time where Joel told them to stuff it, oops I mean that he was leaving, is that we won't see Jake again until his exit. Um..one scene..two maybe..:angry: It really annoys me how other charactrs who are leaving have a big story which spans over at least a two month period (minimum)E.G Naomi/Sonia/Martin..um so far about 6 months and continuing unitl next summer:angry:
Jake's exit needs to start very soon, say about July and go on until his exit and Jake needs to dominate it mostly or on an equal bases with the Mitchells (Guessing that they will defo be involved - no problem as I have my heart set on Jake and Grant leaving together) (Huh look where that got me last time I had high hopes for Jakey:angry: )
Still things as far as Joel is concerned have turned out for the best he deserves so much more and like I have said Joel and Eastenders have never felt 100% right, always thought Eastenders was too "Plasticy" for him. The way I see Enders is that either (a) it's a starting point for new Actors/Actresses who once established move on; (b) a stop gap for established actors, until future projects come off or other work comes up or they are waiting on something etc.

I am more saddened by the fact that we are going to lose an excellent character who had great potential to really go places. As far as I 'm concerned Jake is a lovely and very interesting character.

BlackKat

13-05-2006, 12:04

Or he could go into a really bad mood and take it all out on Ruby:lol:

As much as I don't want a prison exit, if he got arrested for murdering the Brat I could live with that. Even better, he murders her and gets away with it, jetting off to a life in the sun. :lol:

Kidding...Mostly. :p

Babe14

13-05-2006, 12:12

So long as it is off to Brazil where he metts up with you know who (not Grant) I will accept that.

Babe14

13-05-2006, 13:49

BWAH! Young entrepreneur my ass. What's she done in the club? Jake and Grant do all the hard work, getting it back up and running. Or is throwing a tantrum, smashing up the bar and having to be carried into the office all part of her master business plan? :rolleyes:

Exactly entrepreneur at being a brat and of "Tantrums of all Tantrums"

Seeing as he didn't even get the usual 3 second scene this week I can only agree. My best case scenario would be if Joel stayed in the show and got some decent stuff to do (or you know...something to do) but if that was never or very rarely going to happen (as I suspect would have ended up being the case) I think he's done the best thing.

One good thing at least "Our" Joel got paid for not doing nothing (just to add through no fault of his), so if I were him I would of signed on for another year and took the cash !! Just goes to show that Joel wants to work for his pay cheque.

P.S Probably won't bother with Enders this week then, might as well get some practice in now:lol:

BlackKat

15-05-2006, 20:41

And in Jake's one scene tonight...:p

Grant does not get fired. :searchme: He could do tomorrow I suppose, but Jake just seemed like he was gonna ignore Ruby.

I erm...liked the bit with Jake and Ruby talking about her english exam. Ruby saying she'd failed and Jake "Oh, you know that for sure do you." It felt kinda big bro/lil sis which was nice. And when she told him to fire Grant Jake just saying "Sweetheart, don't you think he's a bit too old for you." I hope they keep it this way which is nice and don't take it down the dreaded 'Brat' road.

Shame Ruby had to have an attack of the brat when Grant walked in. Least it wasn't aimed at Jake tonight though. Her attempts at flirting were f-ing hilarious (ie, comparing herself to Ophelia and Grant to Hamlet :rolleyes:) Liked Jake's little warning look at Grant when he dared Ruby to take the money out his front pocket (for the vodka). It was protective without being too over the top, just warning Grant not to go too far.

So good scene, and it sounds like we should have more the rest of the week as well (Grant saying about Danny etc hasn't happened yet.) I hope they show Jake's reaction to the reminder of Danny because he does seem a little too chirpy. I know he's trying to move on, but it should be taking a while not just a couple of (off-screen) days.

Oh, and Joel had a tan tonight...so maybe the reason he wasn't in last week at all and only a bit the week before is that he was on holiday. So now maybe he's back we'll see more of him...:searchme: Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Still we can but hope. :searchme:

BlackKat

16-05-2006, 13:44

All About Soap and Inside Soap both had small bits on Jake leaving -- just basically a rewording of the original article, nothing new on what the storyline is. They both say that he'll not be killed off, and All About Soap says the exit is screened in October. :)

BlackKat

16-05-2006, 20:12

Okay, so

Next day, Grant goes to the club to pick up his P45. Dejected, he tells Jake that he sometimes wishes that Danny had shot him.

^That still hasn't happened, and Grant's driven off now so :searchme: Cut scene maybe? :searchme:

And Grant still didn't get sacked. Ruby said she wanted "a written apology," but then Jake told Grant that he wasn't sacked until Jake said so. Nice to know it is Jake who's making the rules though. Nice to see Jake trying to help Grant, even if it was taking the "you'll get over it," route.

Babe14

17-05-2006, 08:31

Only seen part of Monday's and Jake is just getting lovelier and lovelier. I've noticed the tan too *Swoon*:wub: , I also noticed it last time we saw Jakey.

I loved the protectiveness over Ruby and I just loved all the faces Jakey was pulling in the background whilst Ruby was Flirting with Grant and to Grant's "I'm not in the mood" etc. I too really liked the "warning" look Jake gave Grant and the "Brotherly advice" at the end of that scene.

:crying: Shame that Jake's final scene is screened in October, was hoping for the end of the year. So going by that they should start filming the exit storyline soon, hope it will be a decent length of time and not just a two or one weeker. More to the point it had better be a "nice" storyline which has a happy ending, where Jake goes out on a high, happy and cheeky.

I too would like to see the odd scene where Jake has a moment of sadness or moodiness because of what happened with Danny, but I don't want to see him "back slide" into depression. Yes have the odd day or two where Jake is down and maybe a bit bad tempered as this would be realistic. The way Jake is coping just goes to show what a very strong person he is, that he can move on because deep down he knows he has to.

P.S Thought he looked really gorgeous in his dark chocolate suit and pale pink shirt and of course the tan and hair :love:

Babe14

17-05-2006, 08:36

Okay, so

^That still hasn't happened, and Grant's driven off now so :searchme: Cut scene maybe? :searchme:

And Grant still didn't get sacked. Ruby said she wanted "a written apology," but then Jake told Grant that he wasn't sacked until Jake said so. Nice to know it is Jake who's making the rules though. Nice to see Jake trying to help Grant, even if it was taking the "you'll get over it," route.

Grant actually mentioned that to Jake when he first came into Scarlets (I've come to pick up my P45) and then again when Jake mentioned that Ruby would like him to take her in hand (That's why I want my P45)

even if it was taking the "you'll get over it," route

Guess this is Jake's lovely brutal streak shining through. I really notice it now. I loved that bit. Reading between the lines Jake was telling Grant that he knew all about having a bad life and that you DO get over it and move on.

Babe14

17-05-2006, 11:39

Also I just loved the way both Grant and Jake put brat in her place and wiped that smug look off her face. I espec liked it because she was being all cockey, trying to impress Grant by telling him that Jake said that she should keep away from him and Grant told her that Jake was right and she made a point of saying that if someone tells her to keep away she does the opposite, Grant called her bluff and Jake gave it to her straight, but gently, (Sweetheart:love: ) by telling her that Grant was to old for her. Brat ended up looking and feeling a "prat", also I detected a rather tearful look on her face coupled with slight embarassment.

I loved the way that Jake also let Grant know his place and that look gave Grant the message loud and clear. Grant and Jake have a very good friendship, one of loyalty, understanding and trust.
I'm happy with the brother/sister relationship which is forming between the two.

BlackKat

21-05-2006, 10:11

Soap Awards pics:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7818/bsa0687155926uj.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4224/bsa06576655333kf.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7383/bsa06576665612ci.jpg

Babe14

21-05-2006, 10:18

Aww..cute:wub: (Although I have to admit, it's not that great a piccy of him) See Joel's had a change of image. Plain suit instead of his pin number(s) also he is wearing a tie!!

I love him in the group one as he is doing the "Joel" smile/laugh which I absolutely love.:love:

Babe14

21-05-2006, 10:21

Have you noticed that in the second one he has his right hand clenched and it looks as though he's about to deck someone:lol: (Maybe one of the Eastenders producers)

diamond1

02-06-2006, 14:17

eastenders producers........id say every single person in the EE office

BlackKat

11-06-2006, 22:27

Babe14

12-06-2006, 12:11

Heads up that there's scans over on the Bradley/Stacey thread of the weeks summary from the new mags. Jake gets it on with an estate agent called Beth. Random. *blink* We'd have heard if she was a new character so she probably won't stick around long, but it's nice to see Jake get some action. Not to mention actual screentime. *hates on EE producers*

I'll look for the mags tomorrow and see if there's any more info, but they may not come out until Tuesday for me. :D

Hoo B****y ray!! Our Jake/Joel is actually getting a look in, I tell you I am mad, mad at the producers and I have defected to an almost enire ITV viewer. (Random note even Anthony Worrall Thomson (chef) has defected to ITV!!:lol: )

So happy that Jake is "playing" the field and having some long over due fun.

Now let me guess. one second, two or could it be three:eek:

Maybe Jake will take Beth to the wedding so it could be four seconds

Babe14

12-06-2006, 12:11

P.S. Thanks BK for posting the info and piccys for us:)

BlackKat

12-06-2006, 12:59

Now let me guess. one second, two or could it be three:eek:

Well there's a webcam snippet with him for the Friday that week, Beth is on the Monday, and on the Thursday Ruby goes looking for him cos she's upset about the Allen house (Walford one) being up for let (most likely what Beth was originally there to talk about.)

So Monday, Thursday and Friday. Let's see...an average of 3 seconds per episode means...a whole 9 seconds!!!! Wow, they're spoiling us. And hey, maybe they'll be generous and give us an even 10. :eek:

I find it very amusing that an estate agent calls round, presumably to sort out Johnny's house in Walford, and Jake ends up getting it on with her. Doesn't waste any time does she, lol.

No mags are out for me yet, so I'll be getting them tomorrow. :)

Babe14

12-06-2006, 13:13

So Monday, Thursday and Friday. Let's see...an average of 3 seconds per episode means...a whole 9 seconds!!!! Wow, they're spoiling us. And hey, maybe they'll be generous and give us an even 10. :eek:
:lol:

I find it very amusing that an estate agent calls round, presumably to sort out Johnny's house in Walford, and Jake ends up getting it on with her. Doesn't waste any time does she, lol.

Would you:wub: :rotfl: or maybe it's Jake who suggests they discuss things over a "Coffee"

So is this the scene that Jake tells Bradley to ask Q for a bigger weapon and Stacey ushers Bradley inside (Allen House) then Jake takes Beth back to his..I love him when he's like this.
Have you noticed that there is a stag do, parties, lad nights out/Away (I.E Gary/Minty world cup trip) and Jake isn't around. Now he is a young, fun loving, single, up for a good time, young man..wouldn't he want some of the action. Also lots of Scarlets scenes no Jake, so is the club running by itself??

No mags are out for me yet, so I'll be getting them tomorrow. :)

Thanks again. Maybe we should write an article for them telling them exactly how we feel about the Eastender producers and how badly we feel they have treated Joel :lol:

Babe14

12-06-2006, 13:19

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/news/news_images/mainpromo/worldcup.jpg

I loved that scene.

Also I loved the last Grant/Jake scene when Jake was telling Grant to get a grip and stop feeling sorry for himself. (well that's what he was implying anyway) Sorry but I have to say it, he looked gorgeous during that scene and I loved his wavey hair.

So did Grant just drop Jake in it with Scarlets and left him to run it?Again no Jake scene so we shall never know.

BlackKat

12-06-2006, 13:32

Maybe we should write all the Jake scenes that didn't happen, like Grant leaving Scarlets, mass photocopy them, and mail them to the EE producers with a wee post-it attached. "You figure it out, morons. We can." :angel:

We'll start with...

Also lots of Scarlets scenes no Jake, so is the club running by itself??

e.g...he's in the office with the barmaid. :p

Also I loved the last Grant/Jake scene when Jake was telling Grant to get a grip and stop feeling sorry for himself. (well that's what he was implying anyway) Sorry but I have to say it, he looked gorgeous during that scene and I loved his wavey hair.

I loved that scene too. (He was wearing a lovely open collar shirt :wub: ) Liked the way he just found Ruby's crush on Grant amusing. But was still "in charge" -- he joked about reconsidering not firing Grant when Grant was drinking the vodka, but then when Grant poured another Jake got serious and told him to stop.