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I know he so wanted to stay. He wont be able to swear at johnny because of the before watershed
xxx
Yeah, I see what danny means about him being like the dad
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Yeah Jakey is Danny's emotional crutch. He also looked upon Johnny as a substitue dad and only wanted approval and attention from him, but went the wrong way about it. Jakey went the right way about things and ended up getting everything Danny craved.
"Nothing like this will ever happen again you have my word. You know you can trust me"
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 11:38
I know he so wanted to stay. He wont be able to swear at johnny because of the before watershed
xxx
Yeah, he can't say it. But the look on his face did it for him. "You really are full of it aren't you?" Go Jake!
I know he so wanted to stay. He wont be able to swear at johnny because of the before watershed
xxx
Yet it's something you hear all the time in reality. There is no watershed here.
I don't like over use of swear words but think the odd one hear and there is O.K.
Yeah, but i use to watch ee when I was ten and my mum would have hated for me to hear that word. Yeah Jake's face said it all
xxx
Yeah, he can't say it. But the look on his face did it for him. "You really are full of it aren't you?" Go Jake!
and again when Johnny said "what did you say" it was ike "F you I don't care what you think anymore. You don't scare me" bit like in the Vic really..I'd love upon Jakey's return for him to punch Johnny one.
So much for I'm a changed man. It was all because of Johnny Allen he started the whole thing by sacking the boys because they were corrupting him ---cough--cough--only for it all to be total crap..Johnny can never change last night proved that "Your just a thug" "You've caused more pain than you've ever felt" Another life he has destroyed.
I liked the end bit when Jakey went shoot us then..it was as much to say to Johnny if your going to do it, get on with it if you've got the 'alls to shoot me as well..
Yeah, but i use to watch ee when I was ten and my mum would have hated for me to hear that word. Yeah Jake's face said it all
xxx
Have to admit it's not a swear word I like. Still Easties is real enough and I think I have heard the odd bloody here and there and recently. Those kind of swear words I don't mind so long as it stays in context.
Johnny will always be dodgy. He cant go straight. I loved Jake last night. He was so strong.
xxx
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 11:54
and again when Johnny said "what did you say" it was ike "F you I don't care what you think anymore. You don't scare me" bit like in the Vic really..I'd love upon Jakey's return for him to punch Johnny one.
So much for I'm a changed man. It was all because of Johnny Allen he started the whole thing by sacking the boys because they were corrupting him ---cough--cough--only for it all to be total crap..Johnny can never change last night proved that "Your just a thug" "You've caused more pain than you've ever felt" Another life he has destroyed.
I liked the end bit when Jakey went shoot us then..it was as much to say to Johnny if your going to do it, get on with it if you've got the 'alls to shoot me as well..
I love that Jake completely sees through Johnny's little 'good dodgy, old school gangster,' crap. He's a murderer, plain and simple. I think when Jake comes back, whilst he won't be looking for a fight, he definitely won't be hiding.
Johnny will always be dodgy. He cant go straight. I loved Jake last night. He was so strong.
xxx
A cork screw is straighter than he is LOL
I've been loving Jakey more and more over this past two weeks his character has really been shining through and I think that there is still a lot more to his character which we will see being unwrapped when he returns. Jakey isn't a thug but he's no push over, yes he is strong and he uses his head rather than his fists. Last night I think that was some of his brutal side coming out..
A cork screw is straighter than he is LOL
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 12:01
A cork screw is straighter than he is LOL
I've been loving Jakey more and more over this past two weeks his character has really been shining through and I think that there is still a lot more to his character which we will see being unwrapped when he returns. Jakey isn't a thug but he's no push over, yes he is strong and he uses his head rather than his fists. Last night I think that was some of his brutal side coming out..
And he can go from one to the other. Last night, he went from crying because of leaving Chrissie, to smashing his way out a car and taking on Johnny, and I believed it. When Johnny went from throwing Andy off a bridge to "They might corrupt meeeeee!" I was left thinking 'what the hell'. Jake can go from crying to brutal, and it totally fits the character and it works.
Last night Jakey showed how strong he was in that end scene. Johnny had the gun and Jakey just strolled infront of him picked Danny up, put him behind him so he was stood infront , that was as much to say your going to have to shoot me first before you get to Danny.. (good screen grab of that on JBO)
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 12:10
I think it fits his mindset of "You deal with things and move on."
Remember the Jakissie scene when Shannis returned where he went off on her for not moving on past Den, and just falling apart instead. Makes a lot of sense now - probably not intentional, but cool anyway.
I think JB is such a good actor. I man he can portray so many different sides of Jake in 1/2 hour, thats talent
xxx
Remeber on Thursady Jake mentioned the sleeve holding thing that Danny did when they were little did anyone else notcie Danny doing the same thing the minute Jake got in the car that made me cry all over again
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 12:58
Remeber on Thursady Jake mentioned the sleeve holding thing that Danny did when they were little did anyone else notcie Danny doing the same thing the minute Jake got in the car that made me cry all over again
I noticed that - thought it was really good. Jake seemed to hold his arm out as well, as though he knew what Danny wanted. :(
BlackKat
09-07-2005, 15:02
Another thing from yesterday when Jake stopped Johnny:
Johnny: You got out? And instead of running away you come here to save him?
I was like, "Er, Johnny...have you met Jake?" Don't tell me Johnny honestly expected Jake to just leave.
Carrie Bradshaw
09-07-2005, 15:20
I think that there is still a lot more to his character which we will see being unwrapped when he returns.
In more ways than one?!? :wub:
This storyline has allowed us to see Jake as a much deeper character and Joel Beckett as an amazing actor :cheer: . Hopefully we will see a little more of him on Monday, but after that I will be literally counting down the days till he comes back - how many days are there in 9 weeks? Me thinks a lot :thumbsdow !!
I cant believe it's nine whole weeks. :(
xxx
Angeldelight
09-07-2005, 17:38
i know... NINE whole WEEKS... what are we going to do for a whole 9 weeks???... at least we have Dennis back... phew... bring Jake back NOW... NOW... NOW...
squarelady
09-07-2005, 17:40
We're going to have to spend hours dreaming and starring at pictures of him! :lol: <--- Sounds like a brilliant way to spend nine weeks! :love: :lol:
So glad I recorded this weeks episodes. Now I have lots of videos to fall back on. Andy's death, the party, St George's Day, Cut finger, Last weeks, This weeks.
xxx
In more ways than one?!? :wub:
This storyline has allowed us to see Jake as a much deeper character and Joel Beckett as an amazing actor :cheer: . Hopefully we will see a little more of him on Monday, but after that I will be literally counting down the days till he comes back - how many days are there in 9 weeks? Me thinks a lot :thumbsdow !!
Jakey has really been built up this past fortnight mainly by concentrating on his emotions. They've showed us a bit of his brutal side, his loyalty, his amazing strength and how he faces up to things and moves on. Jake doesn't brood on things he deals with them and gets on with it. We've finally seen things develop between Jakey and Chrissie, learnt a bit about Jakey and Danny's childhood and then we get a *Naked* Jakey :wub: So I think I can safely say the writers etc have done a very good job in leaving us just wanting so much more of Jakey. Yes Joel Beckett has been just totally amazing especailly during this past week, he has showed us how as an actor you can go from one emotion to the other injust one epi. Yes Joel is going to do very very well and he has huge potental. I think that us having a *Naked* Jakey may be the start of the new "Sexed" up 'Enders in which case I'm sure we will be seeing a LOT more of Jakey when he returns...
Nig Harman has some very serious competiton now :wub:
9 Weeks and counting.....
In Fridays Epi Jakey did the hand down the back of his head twice. Once when he was in the background behind Ian and Jane just before the camera focused back on him and then when he was shouting at Danny. Watched it again LOL!
I know I am watching the episodes. I missed recording Monday's so I am doing that today.
xxx
squarelady
10-07-2005, 09:29
Jakey has really been built up this past fortnight mainly by concentrating on his emotions. They've showed us a bit of his brutal side, his loyalty, his amazing strength and how he faces up to things and moves on. Jake doesn't brood on things he deals with them and gets on with it. We've finally seen things develop between Jakey and Chrissie, learnt a bit about Jakey and Danny's childhood and then we get a *Naked* Jakey :wub: So I think I can safely say the writers etc have done a very good job in leaving us just wanting so much more of Jakey. Yes Joel Beckett has been just totally amazing especailly during this past week, he has showed us how as an actor you can go from one emotion to the other injust one epi. Yes Joel is going to do very very well and he has huge potental. I think that us having a *Naked* Jakey may be the start of the new "Sexed" up 'Enders in which case I'm sure we will be seeing a LOT more of Jakey when he returns...
Nig Harman has some very serious competiton now :wub:
9 Weeks and counting.....
I totally agree with this! - Joel Beckett did some amazing scenes this past week and if there was any doubt in his acting ability I think he prooved everyone very wrong!
I totally agree with this! - Joel Beckett did some amazing scenes this past week and if there was any doubt in his acting ability I think he prooved everyone very wrong!
Especially the producers who wanted him out, bet they think differently now. Perhaps now they will realise that they have to listen to the public because they know:)
On his return when his character develops more I think Joel will be even more amazing..um..feel best actor award coming on here as well as sexiest male.
BlackKat
10-07-2005, 09:34
I've never ever had a problem with Joel Beckett's acting - he's always been great. But this week, and especialy Friday's epi, he just seemed to go that little bit higher, and some of the scenes I was stunned by him. He's been fantastic to watch.
squarelady
10-07-2005, 09:35
The acting his done this week is a far cry from The Office and the scenes he was in it that. I mean he did some amazing scenes with Danny on the flyover but this Thursday he really took my breath away with the scenes with Danny outside the house. He's really prooved himself. I just hope he'll be back soon...9 weeks is too long1
squarelady
10-07-2005, 09:35
The acting his done this week is a far cry from The Office and the scenes he was in it that. I mean he did some amazing scenes with Danny on the flyover but this Thursday he really took my breath away with the scenes with Danny outside the house. He's really prooved himself. I just hope he'll be back soon...9 weeks is too long!
I thought he was good when he was breaking out of the car, I loved that roll/fall on the ground. I especailly loved the way Jake stood up to Johnny and the end when he told Johnny to shoot them or don't shoot them it was up to him. I just can't get over how amazing Joel is. It's going to be very dull and quiet without him. I'm currently watching the re-runs of the office on UKGold and I have to say I prefer Joel as Jake, much more challenging for him and of course a chance to show his true potential, which he has done in this exit storyline.
squarelady
10-07-2005, 09:44
I've been watching The Office re runs too. - I've got to agree about Action Jake although when he fell out the car it looked painful! The scenes where he was trying to break out the car were amazing though.
I dont get how people can say he is a wooden actor
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squarelady
10-07-2005, 13:03
Well if he was he certainly isn't anymore! I can understand him being wooden at the beginning. Everyone is if they are a relativly new actor and they just started on 'Enders. It's a big shock but he's well and truly settled in now!
It takes time for an actor/actress to get into character, look at the old epis of Easties and you'll see what I mean. Adam Woodyatt(Ian), Leslie Grantham (Den) all seemed very plasticy then although at the time we didn't really notice and they are brill actors. Even the most experienced actor/actresses can be wooden at times, they are only human and are entitled to off days just like we are. Joel has been totally amazing this week and in that end scene when Jake was fronting Johnny Joel was doing a very mixed bag of emotions in just one scene, emotional, fear, anger, desperation..
The writers have done a wonderful job too lately. I get the impression that most of the attention has been deliberately focused on Jake on his emotions, so that we have been left wanting more of him. Whereas Danny I think they have totally destroyed the character so that we won't miss him and want him to go. Also I think things have been done this way so that we will accept Jakey without Danny upon his return, I prefer Jakey on his own it works well. We have been made to feel sorry for Jake as he is the one who has bore the brunt of it all. Danny has been a victim too from the abuse he suffered as a child, it has left him scared and unable to move on, whereas Jake it has made him very strong and he can move on but not 100% because he has to look after Danny. We have been shown both sides of what can happen after being abused as a child it can either leave you psycologically scared or make you a stronger person.
Jake has to now face up to the extent of Danny's "Illness" and do the right thing for both their sakes.
After seeing how strong Jake is this week and the way in which he fronted out Johnny I'm sure that he could front out the Mitchells. Afterall they are just like Johnny at the end of the day "Thugs" and "Full of It" One uses a gun and takes your life the other uses fists and almost takes your life...
It's a big shock but he's well and truly settled in now!
There is absolutely no doubt about it. Joel may be a bit out of chaacter after his break, as others have been, but once he gets going again he will just go from amazing to truely amazing to truely fantastic.:) I can see him being very central in Easties.
BlackKat
11-07-2005, 09:27
This is so crap, mainly because I had no pics of Jakey in the coat, so had to take them from clips, which means they aren't good quality.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2282/gangsterjakey3aa.png
Oh, and the quote is nicked from Buffy (originally said about Spike by BuffyBot), because it was funny and I thought it fit.
I like it it's good, the quality isn't crap, well I don't think so anyway. It's lovely thanks:)
This is so crap, mainly because I had no pics of Jakey in the coat, so had to take them from clips, which means they aren't good quality.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2282/gangsterjakey3aa.png
Oh, and the quote is nicked from Buffy (originally said about Spike by BuffyBot), because it was funny and I thought it fit.
The quote goes well.
squarelady
11-07-2005, 09:51
Where are the pictures in that coat from? *drools* :love:
BlackKat
11-07-2005, 09:54
How good does he look in that coat? :wub: But then, he looks good in anything.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8334/32jakegetsajob00300015iq.jpg <-- Jeans!
Lexie -- The episode is the one where Johnny puts bouncers on the door of the Vic. Don't know the date, but give me a minute and I'll go see if I can find out.
true.moon
11-07-2005, 09:58
yeah for a man he is quite fashionable
BlackKat
11-07-2005, 10:01
I think the date was 10th March. If not, it was definitely around the date.
But then, he looks good in anything.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8334/32jakegetsajob00300015iq.jpg <-- Jeans!
Even better in nothing LOL :wub: :wub:
squarelady
11-07-2005, 10:07
Oh damn! My DVD for March 10th doesn't work so I can't get an screengrabs of it! <_<
kayleigh6654
11-07-2005, 10:40
ActionJake is blatently the best, especially the way Jake Maskell did the eyes :lol:
BlackKat
11-07-2005, 20:55
First of what will feel like many episodes without Jake. :( I miss him already. :crying: It was just missing something.
Chrissie was so worried. "They're okay?...he's okay?"
BlackKat
11-07-2005, 21:22
And also "I don't believe in damnation, but you are damned." :rotfl:
I guess telling Johnny Allen to go to hell runs in the family. Jake was better at it. :lol:
kayleigh6654
12-07-2005, 00:08
I thought that, Jake then Alfie standing up to him and telling him they aren't scared of him! Nicely done EE!
Did anyone else go all weak at the knees when they heard Jakey on the answer phone :wub:
And also "I don't believe in damnation, but you are damned." :rotfl:
I guess telling Johnny Allen to go to hell runs in the family. Jake was better at it. :lol:
Jakey kept his emotions in check unlike Alfie..aww bless he was so distressed but yes I was very impressed with Alfie, although I was cringing at how emotional he was infront of Johnny. Still he was really gunning for Johnny last night and I loved the way he told Johnny that he swears to God..if he's killed Jake and Danny. Wonder what Alfie would of done?
I'm really missing Jakey too. Easties is til lbrill at the mo but it just seems empty without Jakey:(
BlackKat
12-07-2005, 08:11
I'm really missing Jakey too. Easties is til lbrill at the mo but it just seems empty without Jakey:(
Yeah, it's like I don't have a problem with the storylines (most of them) or the acting, or anything...it's just last night it was missing something. I think Jakey just brought I dunno...energy to the screen. It's too quiet without him. Really missing him. :(
Is it September yet?
We've praised Jakey from the hill tops and rightly so, but is there anything that we don't like about him?
The only thing I'm not keen on is his silvery metallic material looking leather. He does look nice in it but I think he should ditch it for a nice dark brown one with buttons down the front the same length as his lovely pinstripe jacket...
Yeah, it's like I don't have a problem with the storylines (most of them) or the acting, or anything...it's just last night it was missing something. I think Jakey just brought I dunno...energy to the screen. It's too quiet without him. Really missing him. :(
Is it September yet?
Joel has started filming again, I thought it would be round about this time :wub:
.:SpIcYsPy:.
13-07-2005, 14:34
Yes....:wub: :p
BlackKat
13-07-2005, 15:51
The only thing I'm not keen on is his silvery metallic material looking leather. He does look nice in it but I think he should ditch it for a nice dark brown one with buttons down the front the same length as his lovely pinstripe jacket...
I don't think the leather looking jacket suits the character anymore. When Jake first came in he was quite rough around the edges, and a "bad boy." I think Jake's settled now (or he was until Danny messed it up) and we were seeing the real Jake. So, yeah, I think the jacket suited him then, but now anymore. If that makes sense.
My fav Jakey is "Action" Jakey and "Brutal" Jakey. I don't want his character to go all goodie, goodie. I like it how it is now tough, gentle, sensitive loving etc with that brutal streak, a bit rough around the edges with a bit of a bad boy mixed in. I don't want Jakey to get mixed up with Johnny again. I'd like to see his brutal and bad boy side say if the Mitchells decide to give him a hard time or Johnny even. I like the idea of Jakey settled in Walford and hope that he does work at the Bookies with Pat (I'd prefer Builder Jakey but we can't have everything..*Sigh*). I'd like to see alot of emotion, drama, grit etc for his character as well as a hot steamy romance..I'd like to see Jakey and Alfie continue bonding with that comedy and sorting problems out together...learn more about their past. What's happened to Jakey's mother etc.
What sort of character would you all like Jakey to be and what would you like to see happen for the character?
BlackKat
14-07-2005, 16:22
I want Jakey to be like he was these last couple of weeks - strong, sensitive, slightly moody side, got a bit of a brutal streak when he needs to. Not saying I don't want him to grow as a a character, but I don't want him to go to either extreme of being a complete bad boy, or a completely goodie.
I want to know where the hell his mother was/is. I think his mother coming back (as she is never mentioned, my theory is that she ran out on the family leaving the boys with their dad) would be a better story than his dad appearing, as that could seem slightly predictable.
I don't want him thrown into a romance straight away once Chrissie leaves, but if one naturally develops that wouldn't bug me too much. I think he needs a few close friends around the square (maybe Dennis?) as now Danny's gone, Alfie's leaving at the end of the year, and Chrissie's going, he may be slightly adrift. So I think they need to start laying down those roots when he comes back, rather than "Now Alfie's gone, he's suddenly BFF with Dennis."
I think he's definitely going to play a part in the outcome of Den's body storyline, so I can't wait to see how. :D
That sounds good to me, I'm really interested in how Jakey's character is going to be developed even further. I too think it would be better to bring the mother into the soap rather than the dad and that way the missing pieces can be filled in as to where she was, did she leave, did the father throw her out, did she have an affair, sleep around, was it after this the father turned to drink and took it all out on the boys?
I'm sorry but I don't want Jakey and Chrissie anymore, I've gone off Chrissie now she is being really nasty to D and Sharon. (Like TAO and think she plays a brill part, it's nice to see a villaness instead of a villan for a change. Would like her to stay in Enders playing this role but not to be together with Jakey) I have a feeling that when Chrissie leaves she may turn round to Jakey and tell him that he was only ever a bit of fun as far as she is concerned. I have my mind set on Jakey and Kat for a future romance. I'd like him to go out with a couple of women before he settles into a new love affair, he could have a brief fling with Dawn Miller (one night stand say) and perhaps a fling with Kat before they get together properley over a period of time.
Be nice if some of his mates were brought into the soap say this Joey who has been mentioned and perhaps the ones from severn sisters who Jakey and Danny spent a drunken few days with, just as every now and thens. I really hope that Jakey and Dennis form a friendship and eventually a trust in one another.
Can't wait to see what kind of relationship he will have the Mitchells either, that is bound to be a very interesting one. Dennis/Jakey v Mitchells..just realised D is similar to Danny in that he acts with his fists, so if D and Jakey were to become best mates they would prob have a similar relationship as Jakey and Danny did when it came to confrontations. Only D is a bit more in control although he does lose it every now and then, as we saw last night. That is what I love abouthim though his hot headedness..
BlackKat
15-07-2005, 18:33
I'm sorry but I don't want Jakey and Chrissie anymore, I've gone off Chrissie now she is being really nasty to D and Sharon. (Like TAO and think she plays a brill part, it's nice to see a villaness instead of a villan for a change. Would like her to stay in Enders playing this role but not to be together with Jakey) I have a feeling that when Chrissie leaves she may turn round to Jakey and tell him that he was only ever a bit of fun as far as she is concerned.
I think if she does it'll only be to push him away so he doesn't get caught up in everything.
I don't like Chrissie manipulating Sharon and Dennis (although really, since Den's death she was constantly manipulating Zoe -- so why is her doing it to Sharon and Dennis any different? :searchme: ) but I don't think she's enjoying it, or getting any pleasure out of it -- she feels she has to do it, to get them away from the Vic.
On Monday she was really worried about Jake - she does care about him. I think if Jake was still there, she wouldn't be going to the extremes she is now - he grounds her. I think losing Jake, the one person who wholeheartedly supported her, has pushed her a little closer to the cliff edge. (Plus its got to suck when your husband 'chooses' his daughter over you, and then your potential...boyfriend I guess, chooses his brother.)
So, yeah, I can't help but love Chrissie, and love Jakissie, despite what Chrissie does. And I hate hate hate Kat (sorry, just my opinion lol) so I don't want her anywhere near Jakey.
I have a feeling I'm going to like Dawn Miller though (although I'll probably be proved wrong and despise her, lol) so at the moment, based on what we've heard about her, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing her in a relationship with Jake.
BlackKat
15-07-2005, 22:19
Okay, just throwing this out there, even though I'm not sure if I agree with it myself:
Do you think Jake has a problem with rescuing people? I don't mean that he likes doing it - more that, he can't help but do it. I mean, he rescues Danny often enough. So do you think the reason Jake is attracted to Chrissie, is more to do with the fact that he sees her as someone needing rescued than it is anything else?
Like I said, not sure if I even agree with it myself and I think even if it is one of the reasons, it's not the entire reason, but it was a thought I had. :searchme:
do you know what I think you may have a point he feels needed by Chrissie it's part of the attraction
BlackKat
15-07-2005, 22:32
Yes, thinking more on it, I think it's a factor in it.
I think it would be an interesting issue to explore -- and a realistic outcome of his childhood, what with most likely raising Danny pretty much by himself, probably having to do a lot of things like making sure there was food in the house for both of them etc, and then carrying on with taking care of Danny into adulthood, that the instinct to take care of people would be there.
Your right something like that will stick in his character for life he is drawn to people who need him without giving much thought to his own needs (i.e going with Danny)
BlackKat
15-07-2005, 22:43
Yep. *nods* I'm also dubious as to whether it'll be Jake who decides it's time for Danny to stand on his own two feet, or whether someone like Alfie or Chrissie will have to push him into it. Last Friday, he knew Danny had crossed the line, but he didn't seem to be blaming Danny for long, he was blaming himself.
To Chrissie: I should have been there for him...and I wasn't. Seen him winding himself up. I wasn't paying attention.
To Johnny: Danny crossed the line tonight, yeah, you're right. And I didn't see it coming, and I should have. So I guess we both messed up.
Yeah he shifted the blame to himself so in a way it made it easier for him to deal with it and Danny and he's spent so long taking the blame and clearing up after Danny that it's become a way of life
I think that Jakey just can't help himself he loves caring for people and being protective towards those whom he is cose to, this is possibly his downside he never thinks of his own happiness always of others first.
Chrissie in a way I can understand her behaviour and agree with some of what you both have said but I'm just not so sure about her being with Jakey anymore. Perhaps your right Jakey may be the one who keeps Chrissie in line.. As for my idea about Jakey and Kat, changed my mind as I was watching her with alfie the other night and thinking about her and Jakey together (see he's not even on screen and I'm still thinking about him LOL) and no I can't see it afterall. Kat and Alfie belong together.
I'm liking the idea of Jakey and Dawn Miller being together for a while, just a casual thing and then a new character being brought in, a childhood swetheart who is on the wild side and has lots of dark secrets, some of which Jakey already knows about...
I do think that TAO is absolutely fab and plays a wonderful part:)
BlackKat
17-07-2005, 12:29
Okay, I was rewatching the Thursday ep with Jake and Chrissie, and something struck me as strange:
I can't count the amount of times that social services took us in. Some new foster parent telling us we were safe. But Danny was right. He didn't wanna be, but he was. Cos they did always send us back to Dad in the end.
Does it seem weird to anyone else that it would be Danny who knew the score, not Jake? I'd have thought it would have at least been both of them.
Also watched last Monday's and remembered something I forgot to comment on: Johnny took Jake's phone?!? Okay, A) Why? What does he think Jake's gonna do, prank call him in the middle of the night, and B) How damn rude.
BlackKat
17-07-2005, 12:32
I think that Jakey just can't help himself he loves caring for people and being protective towards those whom he is cose to, this is possibly his downside he never thinks of his own happiness always of others first.
Yep, I think there are times when it's a good thing, and times when it's a bad thing. It's good that he's willing to look after Danny and support Chrissie, but at some point he needs to start thinking about himself. And I firmly believe that if Jake and Danny weren't going their seperate ways Jake would eventually be seriously hurt or killed trying to protect Danny.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
17-07-2005, 12:35
I wish he was back now....
Okay, I was rewatching the Thursday ep with Jake and Chrissie, and something struck me as strange:
Does it seem weird to anyone else that it would be Danny who knew the score, not Jake? I'd have thought it would have at least been both of them.
Um got me thinking about that one. At a guess I'd say that Danny just had an instinct and perhaps Jakey did too but didn't want to let one to Danny because he wanted him to feel safe...
Also watched last Monday's and remembered something I forgot to comment on: Johnny took Jake's phone?!? Okay, A) Why? What does he think Jake's gonna do, prank call him in the middle of the night, and B) How damn rude.
I think it probably fell out of Jakey's pocket when he was trying to get out of the car and therefore Johnny found it in the back whilst clearing away all "Evidence" so to speak.
I wish he was back now....
Me too. I'm really misisng Jakey and it seems like ages since he was in it. I missed him last time when he wasn't in it for yonks. Still at least this time we know that he will be back for good and we should be seeing lots and lots of him...
Nice for Joel to have the break so he can have a bit of a holiday and time to learn all his scripts:) Back in work now so at a guess I reckon we'll see him somewhere between the 21st August and 4th September...
And I firmly believe that if Jake and Danny weren't going their seperate ways Jake would eventually be seriously hurt or killed trying to protect Danny.
No doubt about it. Jakey really needs to start thinking about his own happiness, perhaps after recent events Jakey will realise that things must change..
BlackKat
17-07-2005, 12:54
No doubt about it. Jakey really needs to start thinking about his own happiness, perhaps after recent events Jakey will realise that things must change..
Yeah, that's one thing I'm hoping to see change in his character when he comes back (not suddenly and unrealistically of course, a gradual character growth) -- I'd like to see him become more assertive of his own needs and happiness - not just when it comes to Danny, but with Chrissie as well.
I think that "whatever" is going to happen with Danny it will change Jakey slightly. Perhaps he'll have a bit more of his brutal streak in him when it comes to sensitive issues and being close with people. I'm not saying totally uncaring and unloving but he'll just be a bit more harder when it comes to "caring". Jakey will be hurting because of Danny, he got hurt by Danny and by Chrissie, when he had to leave the square, so he'll be a bit cautious about allowing himself to be close to anyone.
BlackKat
19-07-2005, 21:04
That would be an interesting approach to his return. At the moment it seems the general consensus is that he'll come rushing back for Chrissie to cry on his shoulder. What if he actually comes back for a different reason, and is quite cautious around Chrissie and starting things back up again with her. :searchme:
I think that however Jakey and Danny part ways, Jake will be upset about it, and probably still quite upset even if it occurs a while before Jake appears again. As much as Danny being around was messing up Jakey's life, they've always been there for each other and depended on each other, no matter how unhealthy that may have become. I think as much as Jake was a constant in Danny's life, Danny was a constant in his, and it's going to be hard for both of them to let that go.
BlackKat
26-07-2005, 12:34
Joel Beckett is nominated for Inside Soap Award's Sexiest Male. Up against Nigel Harman (who out of all of them would be my second choice), so he probably won't win, but it would be nice if he did. :wub:
I think you can vote online, text, phone or post.
I cant find anywhere to vote online. I may go buy the mag. HE wont win sdaly he should though. Joel Beckett is really sexy.
BlackKat
26-07-2005, 12:54
To vote by text the number is 81125 and the details to text is: IS MALE 3
I agree he won't win, but it would be so nice if he did. I hope he gets nominated for some awards at the BSAs next year. Hopefully something from an acting point of view as well, cos he ain't just a pretty face. :D :wub:
Thanks. Yeah he has acted so well recently. I am going to go get Inside Soap soon to see whats happening in it.
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BlackKat
26-07-2005, 13:57
He's also nominated for Best Newcomer. :cheer:
From the EE website:
Lacey Turner who plays mischievous Stacey Slater, and Joel Beckett who plays the sensible half of the Moon brothers (Jake), are up to win Best Newcomer.
and
Top totty, Joel Beckett and Nigel Harman (Dennis) are in the running for the Sexiest Male award. :)
Sadly he probably wont win either, but finally some recognition!
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BlackKat
26-07-2005, 15:24
Well we can but try.
Text number for best newcomer is IS NEWCOMER 3 to 81125. :)
I was reading that this mornign, i'm sorry guys but my vote is going to Nigel!!! :wub:
But i will deffo vote for Jake for newcomer
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i_luv_dennis
26-07-2005, 20:27
i miss Jake and Danny
kayleigh6654
26-07-2005, 23:06
Joel is gonna win, I've voted at least 5 times already!
Yes! Jakey for Best Newcomer and he should win sexiest male too, he has a gorgeous body. If he doesn't this time he defo will the next. Time to give up the title Nig.
My gut instincts for Joel are: Sexiest Male, Best Actor, Best Newcomer, Best Storyline (he defo should win something for his performance in the Moonie Exit Storyline he was just so fab..he is amazing)
If Joel doesn't win sexiest male this time I feel sure he will in the future after he becomes more established in the soap and his character develops even further, and hopefully we will see more "Naked" Jakey scenes..no one has gone that far I'm sure of it..
I still love Nig, he is great and a very good actor, but he has to come second to Joel as I feel that Joel is a truly amazing guy and an amazing actor..What's more I'm really missing him..
I'm so glad that Joel is finally getting some recognision and hopefully this is just the start...
Just voted online for "Our" Joel, tempted to see if I can vote again and again LOL
Apart from the Joel Nominations I did a mixture. Shame Joel hasn't been nominated for Best Actor too as I think he should of been, he was and has been truly amazing.
I can't believe Shane Richie is up for it again, O.K he is good but I hardly think that running around the square, up and down the stairs qualifies for a best actor award and personally I think that the character of Alfie is once again lost without Jake. They work well together but Alfie does not work on his own anymore.
I dont get why Alfie keeps being Nominated for best actor. He hasn't had any fabulous storylines. Oh yes Molfie deserves an award. I voted for Joel when I could and I voted Dot and Jim best couple. Cant wait for the results
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BlackKat
31-07-2005, 10:48
I voted once by text and once online -- both times for Joel in both nominations. :cheer:
I agree he should get sexiest male -- I just don't think he will if he's up against Nigel.
Cannot believe Shane Richie is up for Best Actor either -- he doesn't do anything, but be himself. I suppose Joel hasn't had enough to do this year to be up for Best Actor thanks to that fabulous disappearing act EE managed to pull ( :angry: ) -- next year though definitely as long as they don't waste him.
Shane was good in the past but not anymore, so I can't understand it either. The only reason I can think of is that it's because of the other actors such as Joel who make the character of Alfie work..
Yes I voted for Jim and Dot too , no competition there. A lot of the others that didn't involve Joel I voted for Emmerdale and one Corrie. If Corrie wins best soap then I#l know that it is a fix as it has really gone down hill.
My vote would be Emmerdale and Eastenders. I would like to see Emmerdale win as the last couple of episodes last week were fanatastic. I voted for Easties though, have to stay loyal to "Our" Joel and the Brannings..
I voted once by text and once online -- both times for Joel in both nominations. :cheer:
I agree he should get sexiest male -- I just don't think he will if he's up against Nigel.
Cannot believe Shane Richie is up for Best Actor either -- he doesn't do anything, but be himself. I suppose Joel hasn't had enough to do this year to be up for Best Actor thanks to that fabulous disappearing act EE managed to pull ( :angry: ) -- next year though definitely as long as they don't waste him.
If Nigel wins again it will be because he has been in the show longer, however I do feel that Joel's popularity (Sex symbol Status) is closing in rapidly on Nigel..
I'll be happy if Joel won Best Newcomer this year along with Sexiest Male and Best Actor next year. I agree with you about the reason why Joel hasn't been nominated as Best Actor it is purely because the charcter of Jake hasn't had enough time to develop to it's full potential yet. Also during the last two weeks of the "Exit" storyline we were only just beginning to see and get to know Joel's amazing acting ability...
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 10:58
I don't really watch the other soaps, so I voted for EE in most of them. The few times I've watched Corrie the past few months it has seemed...bad. I was quite baffled as to why some people are saying EE isn't up to their standards yet blah blah. I watched the Killer Katy storyline and couldn't stop laughing.
I love the phrase "Our" Joel by the way. :D Missing him so much at the moment. EE's good at the moment apart from a few off episodes, but I still want Jakey.
Cant wait to see the lovely tanned Joel back!
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I love the phrase "Our" Joel by the way. :D Missing him so much at the moment. EE's good at the moment apart from a few off episodes, but I still want Jakey.
Thanks :) I'm enjoying the Millers being in a central role as I really like them. Alfie/Mo/Kat is boring me, it just seems so stupid to have Alfie running around the square iike a headless chicken, in and out of houses, up and downstairs, mean would a man really act like that in reality? Can you see Jake behaving like that? No! Jake would just come clean and talk things through, not that he would ever let himself get into the mess that Alfie has in the first place.
Easties just seems so empty without Jakey, especailly the Moon household. Like I said I'm enjoying and do enjoy the other storylines and I have other characters who I really like but Jake just adds that I don't know what...
Still if all the action was centred around Jakey 24/7 it would be boring, not too mention that"Our" poor Joel would more than likely end up with burn out syndrome and it is necessary in all programmes to have a good mix. I'm really looking forward to seeing him back on screen and in a regular role, can't wait until he has another confrontation with Johnny. Also looking forward to Jake and Phil meeting..
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:21
So now that Nana is apparently going, who do we think Jake's main interaction is going to be with once Chrissie and Alfie have gone?
I think he's either going to be put with Dawn Miller, they'll bring in one or both of the parents, or possibily more stuff with Johnny -- not necessarily gangster stuff, but they can't ignore the fact that Johnny was a gangster even if he's now a reformed wuss. He did say he'd known Jake and Danny a long time didn't he - how long? A few years or since they were kids? It's just interesting that the reports on the exit storyline sometimes referred to Johnny seeing Jake like a son -- and before Johnny reformed they did seem to have a type of father/son relationship I think it could be interesting to explore -- especially in the aftermath of what happened in the woods.
Cant wait to see the lovely tanned Joel back!
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And I bet he will have a lovely one. Hopefully we will get a "Naked" tanned Jakey scene and not just a quick glimpse either..oh I've gone all weak at the thought Joel is just going to look even more gorgeous and sexy:wub:
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:24
Still if all the action was centred around Jakey 24/7 it would be boring, not too mention that"Our" poor Joel would more than likely end up with burn out syndrome and it is necessary in all programmes to have a good mix. I'm really looking forward to seeing him back on screen and in a regular role, can't wait until he has another confrontation with Johnny. Also looking forward to Jake and Phil meeting..
I agree. And also I think one of the things Alfie's character has suffered from is being pushed to the forefront all the time. He seems to be in most episodes, even if it's not a main part he'll be in the background, and I think people get sick of seeing them, and the character suffers because they just burn out. Don't want that to happen to Jakey, so I agree they should keep it with a nice mix of characters each getting their fair share. Just no more disappearing acts!
There have been people saying That Jake may not be staying for long though. In one article it said "Joel has recieved a short term reprieive" and when they were talking about Nana it said "she will have no family left" ! Pray this isn't true
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BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:33
There have been people saying That Jake may not be staying for long though. In one article it said "Joel has recieved a short term reprieive" and when they were talking about Nana it said "she will have no family left" ! Pray this isn't true
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The impression I got from most articles when Joel was saved was that it wasn't short term. That may have changed, but until we hear anything else I'm going to assume that for the meantime he's staying. And if rumours start circulating...well I'll cross the bridge when we come to it.
With Nana, I see her 'family' as Alfie, Spencer and Kat. Yes Jake is related to her, and yes he cares about her, but it isn't really the same. If they both stayed, it would just be Jake and Nana, and it would seem like they'd be trying to force a bond like Alfie and Nana's which I just haven't seen between her and Jake.
So now that Nana is apparently going, who do we think Jake's main interaction is going to be with once Chrissie and Alfie have gone?
I think he's either going to be put with Dawn Miller, they'll bring in one or both of the parents, or possibily more stuff with Johnny -- not necessarily gangster stuff, but they can't ignore the fact that Johnny was a gangster even if he's now a reformed wuss. He did say he'd known Jake and Danny a long time didn't he - how long? A few years or since they were kids? It's just interesting that the reports on the exit storyline sometimes referred to Johnny seeing Jake like a son -- and before Johnny reformed they did seem to have a type of father/son relationship I think it could be interesting to explore -- especially in the aftermath of what happened in the woods.
That would be a nice little twist if Jakey turned out to be Johnny's son and Johnny didn't know..cue the mother
Oh I didn't know that Nana was going, that is sad I love her. So that will mean Jakey will be rattling around that house on his own..
I agree about Jakey being put with Dawn Miller, this will provide an interaction with the Millers and Jakey can be involved with their storylines. I have an instinct about Jake and Dawn.
Working at the bookies with Pat - again more storylines for Jake to be involved in.
Dennis and Jake becoming close mates - more storylines (first one the Andy death). Dennis and Phil are sworn enemies as I would imagine Jakey and Johnny will now be.
Jake and Chrissie until the end of the year.
New character being brought in an old childhood sweetheart of Jake's, fiesty, wild, lots of secrets, after a lot of grit and drama they rekindle the flame of passion on a permanent basis.
More Moons: The mum and some younger Moons whom Jakey could become a fatherly or big brother figure for. A couple of Boys, Girl/Boy
Perhaps Jakey and Joe (The builder) could become house mates, more storylines..
I think that little lot would keep Joel in work for a year or three LOL!
If Joel is only back on a short term reprieve there will be hell to pay. Surely they couldn't be so stupid after the recent attempt to axe the character? Personally I can't see Jake back only for a short time as he is very popular and Easties Top Totty. Easties is supposed to be going all sexed up and Joel was named in that article. I can't see Jake being put at the centre of the action then being shown the door AGAIN, unless Joel is on a short term contract as a mutal agreement to see how things pan out.
I'm saying rumour backing it by the fact that by the end of the autumn after all the big storylines which Joel would of been involved in, his status in the show will be a strong one, which I think it is already.
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:45
That would be a nice little twist if Jakey turned out to be Johnny's son and Johnny didn't know..cue the mother
I agree. I've had a feeling about this since...I think it was around Andy's death. My initial feelings was that Johnny did know, but now if it does happen I don't think he will know. Although, he may -- the night of the fire, he wasn't going to hurt Jake. Firstly he told him to go away when he got Danny in the car. Then he locked him in the car instead of bringing him with Danny -- I think he was planning to let Jake go unhurt. So did Johnny let Jake and Danny go because he had a sudden flash of conscience, or because he couldn't get at Danny without hurting Jake?
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:49
If Joel is only back on a short term reprieve there will be hell to pay. Surely they couldn't be so stupid after the recent attempt to axe the character? Personally I can't see Jake back only for a short time as he is very popular and Easties Top Totty. Easties is supposed to be going all sexed up and Joel was named in that article. I can't see Jake being put at the centre of the action then being shown the door AGAIN, unless Joel is on a short term contract as a mutal agreement to see how things pan out.
I'm saying rumour backing it by the fact that by the end of the autumn after all the big storylines which Joel would of been involved in, his status in the show will be a strong one, which I think it is already.
That's what I think -- they cannot be that stupid. Some people are saying that with Chrissie going, Jake has no storylines -- I don't believe this because they knew. They knew as soon as Chrissie killed Den that she might be leaving, and they still brought Jake back. I can't see them bringing him back with the intention of his storylines being a long term relationship with Chrissie, and then saying "Oops, Chrissie's leaving now, what are we going to do," because they knew. They knew Alfie was leaving as well by that point didn't they?
In the past though Johnny has threatened Jake. In the bookies he was talking to Jake about that race horse that fell and was destroyed, he warned Jakey not to fall again. Also when he wanted Jake to wrok for him Johnny told Jake that he was responsible for Danny..
Like you though I've a certain feeling about Jake and Johnny..
I think that Johnny let both boyslive because Jake hit Johnny where it hurt that night..but yes it could be because there is more to Johnny and Jake than meets the eye..
I think it would be dumb if they et rid of Jake so soon. I may just be able to except it if he goes off with a pregnant Chrissie, I may just be able to take that.
I don't think Jake is Johnny's son, it wouldn't really work
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That's what I was thinking IF the rumours are true things could of changed because of TAo leaving, they could go off into the sunset together and live happily ever after. I'd like that but I'd rather Joel stay and not leave.
As for this rumour about Joel having no storylines that is stupid I have just mentioned a dozen or so potential ones above. Joel is the one who can provide storylines for others as well as having aload of his own. Jake will work well on his own or with others.
If the writers can't think of anything just contact me I'll give them enough to last a life time!!
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 11:59
I think it would be dumb if they et rid of Jake so soon. I may just be able to except it if he goes off with a pregnant Chrissie, I may just be able to take that.
I don't want that. I love the Jake/Chrissie relationship, and I think there are genuine feelings on both sides, and maybe if that happened they would be happy. But I think if that happened, it would be Danny all over again. It would be Jake sacrificing everything to look after someone, and just from a writing point of view you can't do that because nothing has changed -- Jake came into the show, taking care of Danny, putting his own life on hold, and he leaves exactly the same way -- nothing has changed, and that's just...not good.
What I would like is for Jake to make a conscious decision not to go with Chrissie - maybe to help her get away, but not go with her, not to do that again. A nice callback to the situation with Danny - except this time he does the right thing for him.
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:01
If the writers can't think of anything just contact me I'll give them enough to last a life time!!
We'll just email them a copy of this thread, lol. :lol:
I don't think Jake is Johnny's son, it wouldn't really work
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Sorry I disagree:) I think that if handled correctly and written well it would work well and basically be one up Johnny's backside, as I couldn't see Jake wanting to know him, well certainly not wanting to be close to Johnny.
We'll just email them a copy of this thread, lol. :lol:
LOL! Hopefully the researchers come on here and take a look at what we're saying, I think that they may:)
Anyway if they try to get rid of Jakey again, we'll have to jam their email up with Jakey scripts LOL!
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:06
Sorry I disagree:) I think that if handled correctly and written well it would work well and basically be one up Johnny's backside, as I couldn't see Jake wanting to know him, well certainly not wanting to be close to Johnny.
I agree. I'd like to see Johnny dealing with the fact that he dragged his son into a murder, basically blackmailed him into working for him, sacked him, bullied his younger brother, and then drove him into the woods at gunpoint. Johnny seems to (like most of the characters) put importance on his family. Well, let him deal with the fact that Jake can't stand him.
What I would like is for Jake to make a conscious decision not to go with Chrissie - maybe to help her get away, but not go with her, not to do that again. A nice callback to the situation with Danny - except this time he does the right thing for him.
I like that:) Also this is a bit sad but I'd quite like Chrissie true to form to tell Jake that he was only ever a bit of fun just as he was getting on a boat with her..(a dodgy one not your usual cruise type)
I agree. I'd like to see Johnny dealing with the fact that he dragged his son into a murder, basically blackmailed him into working for him, sacked him, bullied his younger brother, and then drove him into the woods at gunpoint. Johnny seems to (like most of the characters) put importance on his family. Well, let him deal with the fact that Jake can't stand him.
Yep. Johnny and Jake enemies, it would be a bit like Den/Dennis, only this time it would be the son who is turning his back and deosn't want to know and the father trying to beg for his forgiveness..um I like that idea Johnny in tears pleading with Jakey..
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:17
Yep. Johnny and Jake enemies, it would be a bit like Den/Dennis, only this time it would be the son who is turning his back and deosn't want to know and the father trying to beg for his forgiveness..um I like that idea Johnny in tears pleading with Jakey..
Poor Jakey though -- grows up with a horrible father, and then finds out his actual father is Johnny Allen.
It would also allow for some Jake and Ruby interaction. He might not want to know Johnny, but once Ruby had finished the inevitable teenage tantrum, I could see them taking some tentative steps towards being friends.
Just read the thread about nana moon:( this would be the perfect reason for Jakey to return to the sqaure, also she is at the mo. I think that this rumour about Jake not being around on a long term basis could be to do with this storyline he comes back because of .....and plans to leave straight away afterwards but is persauded to stay..or because Alfie needs him..
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:21
I like that:) Also this is a bit sad but I'd quite like Chrissie true to form to tell Jake that he was only ever a bit of fun just as he was getting on a boat with her..(a dodgy one not your usual cruise type)
I think it's quite sad in that, while I think Jake's the type of character that will come out stronger in the end, it's kinda like at what cost? I find it quite sad, that before him and Danny got into the incredibly unhealthy bond that they did, they were kids with an abusive father, and what made them the way they are was not their fault. And it's kinda like -- if what Jake takes away from what happened with Danny, and whatever happens with Chrissie, is not to care about people so much is that a good or a bad thing?
It would also allow for some Jake and Ruby interaction. He might not want to know Johnny, but once Ruby had finished the inevitable teenage tantrum, I could see them taking some tentative steps towards being friends.
When ruby first appeared in the square and I first saw Jakey and her together, for example when she was in the kitchen and something was bothering her and she didn't know whether or not to tell Johnny, Jakey was there like a big brother and gave her his advice. Also at first Jakey and Danny were sort of looking out for Ruby..Yes I can see a big brother realtionship here afterall Jakey loves taking care of people. Or will Jakey have changed when he returns to the square?
I think it's quite sad in that, while I think Jake's the type of character that will come out stronger in the end, it's kinda like at what cost? I find it quite sad, that before him and Danny got into the incredibly unhealthy bond that they did, they were kids with an abusive father, and what made them the way they are was not their fault. And it's kinda like -- if what Jake takes away from what happened with Danny, and whatever happens with Chrissie, is not to care about people so much is that a good or a bad thing?
Half and Half. I would like Jakey to be harder after his trauma with Danny, then Chrissie plus one other it would add another side to the character. It would make good viewing but of course after a while he becomes caring again..cue childhood sweetheart..Jakey already has trouble trusting people so all this would make him even more cautious..
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:26
When ruby first appeared in the square and I first saw Jakey and her together, for example when she was in the kitchen and something was bothering her and she didn't know whether or not to tell Johnny, Jakey was there like a big brother and gave her his advice. Also at first Jakey and Danny were sort of looking out for Ruby..Yes I can see a big brother realtionship here afterall Jakey loves taking care of people. Or will Jakey have changed when he returns to the square?
I think it was Jake trying to convince Ruby to tell Johnny she'd been mugged. I loved that scene, because like you said it was such a big brother type scene. I really want this storyline now, lol. Hey, if we can't beat Jake up, we'll give him a little sister, :p
I think it was Jake trying to convince Ruby to tell Johnny she'd been mugged. I loved that scene, because like you said it was such a big brother type scene. I really want this storyline now, lol. Hey, if we can't beat Jake up, we'll give him a little sister, :p
That's right I remember now, thanks:) LOL. A baby sister to replace Danny! We can still beat Jakey up, not that I want too, he has to tangle with Phil yet..mind you Jakey isn't violent, just gives people a right old lashing with his tongue LOL
BK I think you and I are Jakey's biggest fans as we never run out of chat about him. Think we know the character better than the person who created him LOL!
Defo should give us the job of writing Jakey scripts:)
Ratings would soar! LOL
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:39
That's right I remember now, thanks:) LOL. A baby sister to replace Danny! We can still beat Jakey up, not that I want too, he has to tangle with Phil yet..mind you Jakey isn't violent, just gives people a right old lashing with his tongue LOL
It would be interesting if Danny came back in the future, (if this Johnny and Jake thing happened of course), if Jake and Ruby had formed a sibling relationship. See how Jake would deal with a reminder of his 'old' life and childhood coming back, whether he'd try and integrate the two or keep them apart.
I agree, he isn't violent. I think he's one of those people who won't react just to spite someone, where as others, like Danny and Dennis, will lash out -- which also confused Johnny. He got Danny on his knees begging for his life, but Jake wouldn't -- I can see it been the same when they were growing up, especially as Jake got older, that the dad were hit him, and Jake would just stare him back in the face and not do a thing.
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 12:41
BK I think you and I are Jakey's biggest fans as we never run out of chat about him. Think we know the character better than the person who created him LOL!
Defo should give us the job of writing Jakey scripts:)
Ratings would soar! LOL
I know! I can't stop once we get going about Jakey -- there's just so much there to talk about -- and this when he's been in it about half a year, and taking into account the disappearing act. They can't get rid of him, they just can't. The character has so much more to give. :wub:
I think it's just a rumour or I was thinking perhaps it is Jake Maskell that has been given a short reprieve, (re nana) Danny comes back with Jake and then goes but Jake stays, and the two Jakes are being confused (Jake/Joel) (Jake/Danny)
It doesn't make sense for Jake to be built up so much as he was during those two weeks and even more so throughout the autumn, being thrown into the thick of things then shown the door, why would the producers do that if the plan was only to have Joel back on a short term basis. No I'm definitely saying rumour, there are loads flying around about Enders lately, some do turn out to be true whereas others are rubbish. Hopefully this is a rubbish one as I am defo under the impression that Joel is in it long term..
I agree, he isn't violent. I think he's one of those people who won't react just to spite someone, where as others, like Danny and Dennis, will lash out -- which also confused Johnny. He got Danny on his knees begging for his life, but Jake wouldn't -- I can see it been the same when they were growing up, especially as Jake got older, that the dad were hit him, and Jake would just stare him back in the face and not do a thing.
or maybe Jakey gave his dad a tongue lashing and really hit him where it hurt before the two boys left..be interesting to see if Jakey was really pushed if he would actually hit someone. Remember when D hit Jakey and Danny said "I'm surprised you let him get away with that?"
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:07
Another storyline I thought of involving the mother -- if she left, with another man. She could come back into it with a new husband, maybe some other kids. They'd be a lot of resentment on Jakey's side, that she left to a new, maybe not perfect but definitely better, life, all while her two sons were been beaten and passed from pillar to post.
Just read the "Nana" article on Digispy and it doesn't mention Jake at ALL. It just mentions Alfie/Spencer and Kat as her family. I suspect that they have done this so Jake can develop further and be more involved in the action, whereas wiith sweet and lovely Nana the character maybe restricted. RUMOUR Jake Is staying.
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:18
Just read the "Nana" article on Digispy and it doesn't mention Jake at ALL. It just mentions Alfie/Spencer and Kat as her family. I suspect that they have done this so Jake can develop further and be more involved in the action, whereas wiith sweet and lovely Nana the character maybe restricted. RUMOUR Jake Is staying.
I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.
Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.
Another storyline I thought of involving the mother -- if she left, with another man. She could come back into it with a new husband, maybe some other kids. They'd be a lot of resentment on Jakey's side, that she left to a new, maybe not perfect but definitely better, life, all while her two sons were been beaten and passed from pillar to post.
I like that idea, more Moonies more storylines for Jakey:) More emotion, anger, more past history..
I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.
Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.
Dawn Miller:) Joe the builder LOL Picture this Jake, Joe, Martin, Sonia and Pauline all having xmas dinner together. Actually that would be quite interesting..on the other hand Jakey having xmas dinner at the Millers...
or with Pat, Dennis/Sharon.. see he fits in anywhere:)
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:23
I like that idea, more Moonies more storylines for Jakey:) More emotion, anger, more past history..
They may also want to get rid of Nana, to concentrate on the dark side of the Moon family. I think Jake and Danny's side of the family is vastly different from the slightly roguish, but ultimatly decent people, that Alfie's side is. To bring up this dark history all while sweet Nana Moon rattles around in the background wouldn't really work -- though it would offer a nice contrast. It's times like this I wonder if it would be better if Alfie stayed, because he would offer a better contrast. (But then I watch another episode involving Kat/Alfie/Little Mo and all those thoughts just disappear).
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:25
Dawn Miller:) Joe the builder LOL Picture this Jake, Joe, Martin, Sonia and Pauline all having xmas dinner together. Actually that would be quite interesting..on the other hand Jakey having xmas dinner at the Millers...
Or if our feelings are right, Johnny turning up with an invitation for a nice family Christmas dinner, and Jake slamming the door in his face. :lol:
I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.
Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.
When you think about it originally you had Alfie/Spencer/Nana then add Kat.
Then minus Kat plus Moon babies = four minus Spencer = three, There has always been three Moonies..so either now the decision has been made to axe the Moonies minus one (Jakey) who could well turnout not to be a Moon at all.. or plus new Moonies, Mum and new family:)
My guess is that the plan is to have Jake on his own as I feel that perhaps the Elstree Bosses our finally seeing it from our point of view that "Our" Jakey (Joel) works well on his own and can be slotted in anywhere.
Or if our feelings are right, Johnny turning up with an invitation for a nice family Christmas dinner, and Jake slamming the door in his face. :lol:
LOL! "Thanks but I'm busy" Stuffing a Turkey up the Jacksie"
They may also want to get rid of Nana, to concentrate on the dark side of the Moon family. I think Jake and Danny's side of the family is vastly different from the slightly roguish, but ultimatly decent people, that Alfie's side is. To bring up this dark history all while sweet Nana Moon rattles around in the background wouldn't really work -- though it would offer a nice contrast. It's times like this I wonder if it would be better if Alfie stayed, because he would offer a better contrast. (But then I watch another episode involving Kat/Alfie/Little Mo and all those thoughts just disappear).
LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.
There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:41
LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.
There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.
I agree Alfie works well with Jakey -- but he'd have to have some scenes without Jake eventually...and that's just badness waiting to happen.
I kinda want some of this to come out while Alfie is there -- him and his family obviously knew what was happening, his mother gave Jake and Danny food when their dad left them alone -- did they do anything else, did they let them stay with them for a few days, or just give them a few tins of baked beans and send them back. I know it wasn't their responsibility to do anything, but still...
And if Johnny does turn out to be Jake's dad, how much would he know about Jakey's childhood. Would he be the one to get rid of the father if he ever did show up -- which Jake would of course see as too little, too late.
What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?
BlackKat
31-07-2005, 13:49
What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?
That I can sort of understand -- it's not their responsibility to look after and raise them. Also there's Danny -- from what we've heard he clearly had issues since childhood, and they were probably cautious of that, as well as the cautiousness people have that kids from abusive backgrounds will have some sort of behaviour problems. Also, they were probably working on out of sight, out of mind. "Do what we can, and then send them away." Behind closed doors and all that.
I do have an issue with the fact that on at least one occasion, probably more, Jake and Danny were left alone for at least two weeks, and Alfie's parents gave them food. Give them a safe place to stay? Call the social? Try to find their dad? Contact their mother if that was possible? No, they gave them food. I mean, it's good they didn't let them starve, but surely they could have done more?
I get the impression that Alfie was always going round to see Jakey and Danny, as Jake said to Alfie "I used to love it when you came round" So clearly Jakey and Alfie have a very close relationship. Perhaps Alfie's parents called the Soical in? There again Jakey and Danny are family, not immediate family, so would they do that?
A little while ago when Jakey was trying to get Danny work he asked Alfie to give Danny some work on the stall and Alfie basically said he couldn't help. Remember how annoyed Jakey looked and pointed out to Alfie about family and how they are supposed to lookout for one another..so perhaps Alfie and his parents aren't so loyal about family as Jakey is. It's obvious that Jakey has very high principles and loyalty when it comes to looking out for your own. Like you said maybe it was a case of it's not our problem...more mystery to unfold.
BlackKat
01-08-2005, 09:22
Also when Danny was losing it at salsa night and talking about their dad Alfie seemed embarrassed, not just for Danny but for himself, and the only thing he did was call Jake. If any more did come out, maybe there'd be issues between Jake and Alfie, that Alfie and his family didn't do more.
Maybe it was a case of Jake's and Danny's parent not getting along with Alfie's and it was only Alfie who got along with Jakey and Danny. It ws obvious after the boys disappeared, with Alfie not knowing whether they were dead or alive that he cared very much about them. Infact didn't he say he loved them? Not forgetting the way he laid into Johnny of course:)
P.S Keep meaning to say BK LOVE the Banner:)
BlackKat
01-08-2005, 09:54
Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.
I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.
Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?
Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.
I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.
Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?
That's a good thought:) Then on the other hand Jakey and Danny aren't nana's immediate family so would she know very much except what she has been told?
Johnny may know a little more as Jakey and Danny have worked for him for a while..maybe Johnny knows a lot more than we think. Perhaps he knew the mother very well (Re Jakey)..
(Tell you what we're setting a few rumours about! LOL Jakey's family)
BlackKat
01-08-2005, 10:16
That's a good thought:) Then on the other hand Jakey and Danny aren't nana's immediate family so would she know very much except what she has been told?
Johnny may know a little more as Jakey and Danny have worked for him for a while..maybe Johnny knows a lot more than we think. Perhaps he knew the mother very well (Re Jakey)..
(Tell you what we're setting a few rumours about! LOL Jakey's family)
In the episode where Jake and Danny were missing Nana said something like "They never were ones for getting up early were they?" Which could mean that Jake and Danny stayed with Alfie, Nana and Spencer for a while when they were kids after Alfie's parents had died.
Oo, more issues for Johnny and Jake -- especially if Johnny also knew the father (my theory is that the dad used to work for Johnny, and Johnny had a little fun with the missus while the dad was away) and knew some of what was going on, let it go on, to then find out Jake is his son.
Hee, there'll be rumours about Jake and Johnny next, lol.
I think it would be interesting with Johnny and Jake, but they wouldn't get on at first. You don't think Jake's mum could have been one of Johnny's girls?
xxx
BlackKat
01-08-2005, 11:31
I think it would be interesting with Johnny and Jake, but they wouldn't get on at first. You don't think Jake's mum could have been one of Johnny's girls?
xxx
Now there's an idea, :eek:
Thought: Maybe this is why Tina leaves, all this coming out. Johnny's past as a pimp, him having fathered Jake etc.
That would all add up..mum vanished into thin air, father turned to drink.
Storyline for Pat: Mum turns up in the square, Pat recognises her as one of Johnny's girls, as Pat used to be the "Madame", Pat not realising that she is Jake's mum..Pat/Jake/Johnny/Mum Storyline..see Joel interacts very nicely.
BlackKat
01-08-2005, 11:43
That would all add up..mum vanished into thin air, father turned to drink.
Storyline for Pat: Mum turns up in the square, Pat recognises her as one of Johnny's girls, as Pat used to be the "Madame", Pat not realising that she is Jake's mum..Pat/Jake/Johnny/Mum Storyline..see Joel interacts very nicely.
There could also be the idea that the only reason Mum married the father was because of Jake -- she knew Johnny wouldn't marry her, and the father was there, she convinced him the baby was his and they got married. He turns out to be far from the ideal father and husband, but things aren't as bad as they could be. They have Danny to try and 'save' the marriage, ie, make it more like a real family. That doesn't work, father gets worse, so she absconds.
There could be some resentment from Mum towards Jake, that she feels having Jake ruined her life, that that was there all her problems started from. Yes, my image of the mother is that she is a very selfish, self-absorbed person, but at the same time you can feel a vaguest sense of pity for her.
I like your theory:)
My image of the mum is
Someone whose been on the game all her life, started by the fact that her and Jake's/Danny's father were hard up, in debt, and this was the only way she could think of to bring money into the house for her family,(encouraged by Johnny who had Alison sleeping with him as and when he wanted it) only the dad didn't know. One day he found out that she was on the game, kicked her out, turned to drink and ended up taking it all out on the boys as Alison (Mum) was the love of his life, she was HIS life...
Is it really only just over three weeks...*pine* *Pine*
BlackKat
02-08-2005, 10:17
Is it really only just over three weeks...*pine* *Pine*
:lol: I know how you feel.
I too think the reason the dad turned to drink and turned against the boys is because of Alison leaving (Dad's name is Bobby, yes?)
It would be interesting if Pat did recognise Alison, especially if Jake was working in the bookies and him and Pat had struck up a friendship, because then she'd have loyalties in all directions: Jake, Johnny (her former boss who she seems to have reached an understanding with), Tina (who would also be affected by Johnny's past and who is very good friends with Pat) or with Alison, one of the girls Pat always liked to think of herself as helping. Does she tell Jake what she knows or not? It would be a brilliant storyline.
Also there could be an added twist that Alison was the girl that Pat helped on her 21st birthday when a back street abortion went wrong..
Yes Dad is Bobby.
I think that Jake will prob know a bit about what his mum did. Even though he was very young when she left and Danny was just a ?baby?, he remembers the rows and things he overheard..even could have poss followed her one night, therefore a reason for Alison not to have been mentioned...or something more sinister.
BlackKat
02-08-2005, 10:30
Or his opinion of his mother could have been twisted by his father - Bobby wouldn't let them mention or, or let Alison see them, and twisted everything so it was all down to her, wheras he was the hard done by as he was now a single dad raising the boys.
My image of her is also that she was never much of mother anyway -- she just let Jake run wild, looked after Danny but not really in the sense of playing with him or anything just the basic feeding, bathing and putting to bed.
It would be so great if this all happened -- all this dark history and Jake and Danny stuck in the middle of it all not really standing a chance.
Or his opinion of his mother could have been twisted by his father - Bobby wouldn't let them mention or, or let Alison see them, and twisted everything so it was all down to her, wheras he was the hard done by as he was now a single dad raising the boys.
My image of her is also that she was never much of mother anyway -- she just let Jake run wild, looked after Danny but not really in the sense of playing with him or anything just the basic feeding, bathing and putting to bed.
It would be so great if this all happened -- all this dark history and Jake and Danny stuck in the middle of it all not really standing a chance.
I'm having a real problem at the moment between what is really going to happen and what we have made up (Like to happen) LOL Like I keep thining oh great that's coming up soon then I remember that it's something we've been speculating about. It's the same when someone asks me what's going to happen LOL:lol:
BlackKat
02-08-2005, 10:45
They should just get us to write all of Jakey's storylines :lol:
I mean, this storyline - it could take weeks for everything to come out properly, and the aftermath...well, it could go on forever. :eek: And in between it all a nice romance with Dawn Miller or another girl trying to support Jakey but not really understanding what this all means for him. And then the family ties it would set up -- Johnny as Jake's real father, Ruby as his half-sister, then his Mum's possible new family, as well as the rest of the Moons who he would still have a tie with despite not really being a Moon.
I'm quite disappointed that this isn't actually going to happen *sulk*
You never know.. and I think we have just written about five years worth of storylines for Jakey (Joel)!
(I think this thread has become "Ours" as no one else seems to be posting LOL)
The mother storyline can go on and on.. lets see how many we've created and which characters we have involved so far:
Pat, The Allens plus Tina, The Millers..Possibly introduced three new characters
we could add Dennis, a childhood sweetheart (sorry but I'm really hooked on that one another mystery and Huge storyline like the Mum) and guess who is the link in them all JAKEY (JOEL) who will of course play a huge central role in them all..
Not forgetting the Chrissie exit, escape or helping her to fake her own death..
I've totally gone off Jakey and Chrissie together, don't know why just have. Guess it's prob to do with the fact that I've been thinking so far ahead..
Yes we should defo be hired for the Jakey storylines..poor Joel he'll be traumatised and well knackered..of course we'll have to have a few "Naked" Jakey scenes as well. Jeans, "Gangster" coat, suit...drool..drool (xtra drool for jeans)
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 08:51
You never know.. and I think we have just written about five years worth of storylines for Jakey (Joel)!
(I think this thread has become "Ours" as no one else seems to be posting LOL)
I know, :lol:
I've totally gone off Jakey and Chrissie together, don't know why just have. Guess it's prob to do with the fact that I've been thinking so far ahead..
I still like Jake and Chrissie, but I suppose when he returns it'll depend how she reacts and how everything goes on from there whether I'll still like it -- I think they'll be far from the innocent flirting and going out on dates. I also think that even if you're a fan of a couple, there's always one of the characters where'll you'll see their point of view before the other - so even though I still like Chrissie, I'd put Jake's side of things before hers.
Chrissie is far too devious and I wouldn't trust her. I still think she loves Den and always will and therefore won't be able to give Jakey the love he deserves. I feel pretty certain that Jakey loves Chrissie but is he actually IN love with her. Like you said we'l have more of an idea when he returns. However I don't think that Jakey is going to be too happy with Chrissie when he gets back...
(P.S. I want to see your posts at 1000+ today)
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 09:15
(P.S. I want to see your posts at 1000+ today)
So do I! I keep watching the wee counter like "Come on, come on," :lol:
Thought of another event that could happen in the Mum storyline, it could happen just as Jake is slowly coming around to the idea of forgiving Johnny, if Johnny and Alison rekindled the flames of passion or whatever. (Even though I doubt their affair was about passion.)
I don't think Chrissie would ever do anything intentionally to hurt Jakey, but I do think she's going to end up hurting him unintentionally, either by the fact that he finds out what she did or by her leaving.
I have a feeling that Jakey may find out about Den via the papers and this is how he comes back, although it could be Nana that brings him back.
I'd prefer Jakey not to be involved with Johnny again, but then if it does turn out that Johnny is his dad, would Jakey really be able to turn his back on him?
(I know the feeling (Re 1000) my last five posts were painful) LOL
I don't think Chrissie would ever do anything intentionally to hurt Jakey, but I do think she's going to end up hurting him unintentionally, either by the fact that he finds out what she did or by her leaving.
I'm not so sure I feel that Chrissie is changing.
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 09:34
I think he'd want to turn his back on Johnny (and probably Alison) altogether, but like you said, he does have very strong ideas about family, so I don't know if he'd be able to.
When Jakey returns I'd like to see a slight change in his character, I'd like him to be colder and harder emotionally, not permanently just for a while. There again I think that this would be more fitting after Chrissie leaves..then he could have a few one night stands (not Danny style) the women could come onto him I.E Dawn Miller and the one I want:)
I think he'd want to turn his back on Johnny (and probably Alison) altogether, but like you said, he does have very strong ideas about family, so I don't know if he'd be able to.
I think he could because of the hurt and betrayal he will be feeling. The fact that the mother left both him and Danny at the mercy of an abusive father, family betrayal, affair with Johnny etc.. In Jake's eyes it could well be a case of that "line" has been crossed.
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 09:44
When Jakey returns I'd like to see a slight change in his character, I'd like him to be colder and harder emotionally, not permanently just for a while. There again I think that this would be more fitting after Chrissie leaves..then he could have a few one night stands (not Danny style) the women could come onto him I.E Dawn Miller and the one I want:)
When he first came into it he was slightly harder, and then as they stayed longer I think we got to see more of the real Jakey where he was more open. I think while he's been away he'll have reverted back to type, back to doing dodgy things. I think it took a lot for him to open up to Chrissie, and explain about his dad and about Danny, and I don't think he'd ever done that before. So even though it wasn't opening up that hurt him, he still got hurt, so I think he'll be closed off. *hugs Jakey* :(
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 09:46
I think he could because of the hurt and betrayal he will be feeling. The fact that the mother left both him and Danny at the mercy of an abusive father, family betrayal, affair with Johnny etc.. In Jake's eyes it could well be a case of that "line" has been crossed.
It'd be interesting to see how Jake would react -- would he turn his back but take it in his stride, or just hit rockbottom. I think this could also be the catalyst for his own big reaction to his childhood -- Danny's had his, I want to see Jake's (although obviously not on the same scale that Danny's was.)
Although Jakey never really told Chrissie what the dad did, did he? They were running it with Danny shouting off in the club about what the father actually did..I agree that Jakey would have had to do ddogy again to survive I love the "Bad" boy streak in him and hope it stays.I think Jakey was beginning to put some of that faith in Chrissie that he said he didn't put in anyone..
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 09:53
Although Jakey never really told Chrissie what the dad did, did he? They were running it with Danny shouting off in the club about what the father actually did..I agree that Jakey would have had to do ddogy again to survive I love the "Bad" boy streak in him and hope it stays.I think Jakey was beginning to put some of that faith in Chrissie that he said he didn't put in anyone..
I wondered at the time whether they trying to vaguely suggest other abuse. When Jake was talking it doesn't take a huge leap to get to physical abuse. Not that that's a good thing, but at the same time it was obvious what Chrissie thought, so why didn't Jake confirm that's what it was. Could Danny's line of "And it used to take him 10 minutes to get that belt off," have another meaning? *hopes not*
ETA: I'm onto the painful last 5 posts.
No I don't think they were sexually abused only physically beaten. What I think was meant when Danny said it used to take him 10 mins to get that belt off was that the father used to beat them with it. I suppose the father could of mentally abused the boys too by telling them everything was there fault and they were no good..
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 10:04
No I don't think they were sexually abused only physically beaten. What I think was meant when Danny said it used to take him 10 mins to get that belt off was that the father used to beat them with it. I suppose the father could of mentally abused the boys too by telling them everything was there fault and they were no good..
I did think that's what Danny meant. Just found it odd that Jake was willing to tell Chrissie about the foster homes, about always being sent back to his dad and about the way Danny would depend on him, but deliberately avoiding the question of what exactly the dad did, when it was obvious Chrissie was thinking physical abuse anyway. I got the impression that there was something Jake was going to keep to himself no matter what -- whether it was just very extreme physical abuse, mental abuse, or the longshot of sexual abuse. :searchme:
or maybe he felt that he wasn't ready to talk about it yet or there could be more to it. Or did Jakey end up standing up to the dad and things turned nasty..is he still alive?
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 10:12
or maybe he felt that he wasn't ready to talk about it yet or there could be more to it. Or did Jakey end up standing up to the dad and things turned nasty..is he still alive?
That would be interesting...maybe he has a little more in common with Chrissie than everyone thinks. Or maybe Danny did something. Another fire perhaps?
Danny has set fire to things in the past. Remember when they were talking and Jakey said about whne they were ten all having a laugh and Danny went and torched a car?
I sort of like the idea of Jakey turning on his dad after he severley beat them both and him accidentally killing his dad..but there again I don't know. Then I could actually see Jakey losing it if he was pushed far enough..
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 10:22
I don't know, it might seem kinda sensationalist, if they went down that route.
I think something had to have happened - there'd have been a few years between Jake being old enough to live by himself and Danny being able to. I can't see the dad letting Jake live with them when his eyes he didn't have to, and I can't see Jake leaving Danny to fend for himself. And in the eyes of the authorities Jake couldn't look after Danny himself. I think they spend a few years on the streets, maybe the dad dragged Danny back a few times. Maybe that's why they fell in with Johnny - so they'd have some sort of protection from their dad.
I think that they definitely ended up on the streets at some point maybe after one broken home to many. Maybe when they were sent back to the dad again for the umphteenth time Jakey just thought that's it I've had enough and packed his and Danny's bags.
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 10:39
And of course the rest of the family still didn't seem them as their problem. Didn't Alfie go the prison for their credit card fraud or something, or am I making that up? Was that maybe he was of making up for not doing more?
Thinking of various ways Jake could come back, I thought of another one: If Danny does mess up again and Jake gets hurt in the crossfire, maybe Alfie basically drags them apart. After all this time I can't see either going voluntarily - in fact I think after what happened in Walford, it's just going to get worse - Jake's going to be trying to stop that happening again.
Ooo...1'000. :cheer:
And of course the rest of the family still didn't seem them as their problem. Didn't Alfie go the prison for their credit card fraud or something, or am I making that up? Was that maybe he was of making up for not doing more?
Thinking of various ways Jake could come back, I thought of another one: If Danny does mess up again and Jake gets hurt in the crossfire, maybe Alfie basically drags them apart. After all this time I can't see either going voluntarily - in fact I think after what happened in Walford, it's just going to get worse - Jake's going to be trying to stop that happening again.
Ooo...1'000. :cheer:
Yayyyy!! Yes Alfie did do time for credit card fraud and it was down to Danny and Jakey, that's why he wasn't very pleased to see them when they arrived in the square. See Jakey is a nughty boy when he wnats to be LOL
The only thing I can think of that would split them is the fact that Jakey has been forced to have Danny committed. Even then knowing Jakey he would want to stay close to Danny..um Joel did say it's going to be a surprise,something pretty special.
Also Quote: Fans will understand why Jake did what he did and for the first time in his life abandons his brother...
You have some good theories there:)
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 11:33
I want it to be something that means Jake and Danny are still close and in touch - not estranged or anything. Plus I like the idea of everything coming out about Johnny (I'm talking like this is actually going to happen now, lol) Jake going to stay with Danny for a few days to sort his head out before coming back to confront it all. I think Jakey and Danny are good for each other in small doses, just not to the extent it had gotten.
In the end Danny was running and runing Jake's life. If Danny was committed then this would be a good way for Joel to take his breaks. Jake could go and visit Danny. I think Danny's new home should be in the country somewhere say Somerset..
Jake may have to make a break from Danny, IF he has had a complete breakdown, on Dr's advice. For example Danny relies on Jake and having him around would be bad for Danny as he will never come to terms with things, deal with or face up to his past.
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 11:43
Yep, I think it'll be someone making them see they have to split up, either a Doctor or Alfie, rather than them seeing.
I'm also thinking maybe Jake comes back to see either Nana or Chrissie but only plans to stay a few days, but is convinced to stay. I am looking forward to another Johnny and Jake confrontation.
That's what I think too. Could be because of Nana's deteriorating health and/or the Den saga. I can't wait until Jakey says up yours Johnny I'm staying Piss off LOL
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 11:53
It's a shame Danny isn't coming back as well for a few episodes -- I don't want him to stay, but I want to see a goodbye between him and Jake.
Sorry but I don't want to see Danny again. Jakey will prob fill in the missing pieces when he returns:)
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 12:14
Well, I don't want him back for long. I just think Jakey needs closure on that part of his life and I want to see him get it.
I hope they give him some new family or friends. Once Alfie's gone he's not really going to have anyone to support him -- he is quite strong, but everyone needs someone. I have a feeling Johnny's going to want Jake to come back and work for him, and if something's bad happened with Danny or him and Chrissie part on bad terms Jake might be a wee bit vulnerable.
He'll have aunty Pat to look out for him and hopefully he'll become mates with D.
I think that Jakey will end up working in the Bookies with Pat and D, I can just see that.
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 12:35
I also want to see a friendship with him and Pat -- if we're correct in our feelings of Jake and Johnny, and Pat's involvement with that I can see her being quite protective of him. I can also see Johnny being protective of him, even if Jake didn't want him to be, but in a more "for his own good," sort of way. I think if Bobby ever did put in an appearance Johnny would have something to say about it.
Angeldelight
03-08-2005, 12:38
Well, I don't want him back for long. I just think Jakey needs closure on that part of his life and I want to see him get it.
I hope they give him some new family or friends. Once Alfie's gone he's not really going to have anyone to support him -- he is quite strong, but everyone needs someone. I have a feeling Johnny's going to want Jake to come back and work for him, and if something's bad happened with Danny or him and Chrissie part on bad terms Jake might be a wee bit vulnerable.
IU'd like to see Danny back for a few episodes... 1. to clear up the mysytery of what happen that night, 2. for amd Jake and Danny goodbye, an 3. because to understand why JAke has come back we need to know what Danny's guna do while JAke's back in the square... :cheer:
BlackKat
03-08-2005, 12:39
IU'd like to see Danny back for a few episodes... 1. to clear up the mysytery of what happen that night, 2. for amd Jake and Danny goodbye, an 3. because to understand why JAke has come back we need to know what Danny's guna do while JAke's back in the square... :cheer:
I just want them to be able to say goodbye properly -- cute brotherly hug, :wub: Then they can both move on.
BlackKat
10-08-2005, 07:54
I think it's okay to post this here, because it warns in the first post for spoilers...anyway:
Jake is at Den's funeral:
This is the link (http://www.rexfeatures.com/cgi-bin/r2show0?k=eastenders)
but this is the only pic you can really see Jake in:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/39/539022h9uu.jpg
You have to pay for the fullsize, so we can't get them any bigger, :( Woo, the side of his head, :lol: I hope he wears a tie -- have we seen Jakey in a tie yet?
Yes twice, when he was looking for a job and he had his lovely grey suit on with a beige coloured tie and again when he had that lovely navy one on with a navy tie.
Yummy looks as though he has had a lovely hair cut. God how I miss him, Easties just isn't the same without him and I don't care what anyone else says (O.K I respect people's opinion) but Enders really needs him. I'm enjoying seeing the Millers in a central role, Gary and Minty but it's sliding a bit..
Hopefully then if Jakey is at the funeral going by what I've read I think we could see "Action" Jakey again. I have this wonderful scene in my head of him "rescuing" Chrissie (so to speak)
Thanks for the piccy:)
I can see Jakey in the other four, the back of his head and he has lovely waves..also you can see him helping Chrissie after she lands somewhere..not quite the image i hadin my head *sulk*
BlackKat
10-08-2005, 08:37
Oh, yeah -- I forgot when Jake was wearing a tie, I'm clearly ill, :lol:
I'm not sure whether he rescues Chrissie or not, there's pics of her climbing out by herself. My theory is he goes to help and she yells at him to back off, so he starts sulking, :p Either that or he's getting rid of Peggy. But it's sweet he goes to the funeral, hopefully Chrissie doesn't push him away too much.
Mind you she'll need him and maybe it could be Jakey doing the pushing away this time and he's at the funeral with her just for support...
about 3 weeks and counting...
In one of them Jakey is squatted down by the grave as Chrissie is stood in it..god I'm dreading Peggy coming back, I liked her when she was first in Enders but when she came back for Sam's wedding she got right up my nose with her "Alwright darlin" "Ere what d'ya think you re doing" was glad when she went..
BlackKat
10-08-2005, 08:55
Well, like I said over on the Jake/Chrissie thread, I think once Peggy comes in screaming and throwing Chrissie about, Jakey is going to have a lot of questions.
I don't think Jakey is going to be closed off with Chrissie -- especially as coming back in the first place is putting a lot on the line, not just with Johnny. I'm assuming he comes back to support Chrissie, and for all he knows he could turn up with a shoulder ready for cry on, and she could say "Piss off, you were only a bit of fun and I've got more important things to worry about." So it's a pretty big risk for him, and I think if it turns out to be worth it, he's not going to hold back on her.
kerry4nigel
10-08-2005, 17:30
:thumbsup: Hey! Does anyone have tapes of when the Moon brothers arrived in Walford. It was quite recent - December last year and early January this year. I missed all the episodes and i really wanted to see them. If anyone did tape these episodes please let me know. I would be willing to pay a reasonable price for them. :cheer:
Unfortunately I don't. if you go to the EE website you can see a clip of their arrival and in the epi section you can see the pics (some). Don't know if this is of any help?
I did tape their arrival but I have lost the tapes since.
Well, like I said over on the Jake/Chrissie thread, I think once Peggy comes in screaming and throwing Chrissie about, Jakey is going to have a lot of questions.
I don't think Jakey is going to be closed off with Chrissie -- especially as coming back in the first place is putting a lot on the line, not just with Johnny. I'm assuming he comes back to support Chrissie, and for all he knows he could turn up with a shoulder ready for cry on, and she could say "Piss off, you were only a bit of fun and I've got more important things to worry about." So it's a pretty big risk for him, and I think if it turns out to be worth it, he's not going to hold back on her.
I'm fairly sure now that it will be Chrissie that Jake returns to the square for, either he reads about Den in the newspaper, hears about it on the news,radio etc.. I think Chrissie will be relieved to see him and they may pick up from where they left off (Yummmy *Naked* Jakey) One thing we do know is that he goes to the funeral with her, maybe this is where everything is going to kick off and Jakey needs answers from Chrissie..
I was thinikng ahead and if Grant comes back, Chrissie may sleep with him and when she leaves with Jakey's help who will want to go with her, maybe there will be a twist. When Jakey and Chrissie get to say the boat that Jakey would of arranged there waiting for Chrissie will be Grant obviously to Jakey's shock and horror..Chrissie joins Grant on the boat and thanks Jakey for his help, they say goodbye and Chrissie and Grant go off into the sunset together leaving Jakey hurt and angry. As a result Jakey allows his brutal streak to surface, his "dark" side and becomes one of the squares "Bad" boys..
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 09:05
I'm fairly sure now that it will be Chrissie that Jake returns to the square for, either he reads about Den in the newspaper, hears about it on the news,radio etc.. I think Chrissie will be relieved to see him and they may pick up from where they left off (Yummmy *Naked* Jakey) One thing we do know is that he goes to the funeral with her, maybe this is where everything is going to kick off and Jakey needs answers from Chrissie..
I was thinikng ahead and if Grant comes back, Chrissie may sleep with him and when she leaves with Jakey's help who will want to go with her, maybe there will be a twist. When Jakey and Chrissie get to say the boat that Jakey would of arranged there waiting for Chrissie will be Grant obviously to Jakey's shock and horror..Chrissie joins Grant on the boat and thanks Jakey for his help, they say goodbye and Chrissie and Grant go off into the sunset together leaving Jakey hurt and angry. As a result Jakey allows his brutal streak to surface, his "dark" side and becomes one of the squares "Bad" boys..
I think they'll definitely pick up where they left off -- especially as Chrissie will be thinking she got away with it - the bodies already been found so she doesn't have to worry about someone finding it, Sam's been arrested for it, everyone believes her, otherwise she wouldn't be at the funeral with Sharon stood opposite her, and to top it all off, she's got Jake back. But I think once Sam starts telling Peggy the truth things may starting falling apart, including Jake and Chrissie.
I don't think Grant's back long enough to be involved with Chrissie -- he wouldn't anyway, not if she sends Sam down.
I don't think Grant's back long enough to be involved with Chrissie -- he wouldn't anyway, not if she sends Sam down.
True I'd forgotten Sam's his sister, oh I hope Jakey doesn't leave with her:crying:
I was just thinking that something like this would be fitting to her character..
I think the reason Peggy attacks Chrissie at the funeral is because Sam has told her what Chrissie has done and that she has framed her..
Maybe Jakey and Chrissie will start ot fizzle out (storyline being changed because of TAO leaving) but Jakey still helps her to get away, because he'snice like that:) There again if Sam has been put in jail for Den's murder then Chrissie won't have anything to worry about surely?
I don't get why she has to leave if someone has already been convicted of Den's murder surely TAO could stay..it happens in movies and other dramas all the time..
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 09:24
True I'd forgotten Sam's his sister, oh I hope Jakey doesn't leave with her:crying:
I was just thinking that something like this would be fitting to her character..
I think the reason Peggy attacks Chrissie at the funeral is because Sam has told her what Chrissie has done and that she has framed her..
I think the thing with Chrissie is she's written differently around Jake -- and I'm not sure if it's intentional to show that around Jake she can be vulnerable and be herself, or whether it's just kinda shoddy writing because they wanted to make her the villain who tries and splits up Shannis, but they also wanted to put her with Jake. So I'm waiting until Jake comes back to decide, whether she'll continue being the villain, or whether she'll be herself around him. I'm hoping it's the latter. I can just imagine them holed up in the Vic bedroom clinging to each other while everything falls apart around them. (Metaphorically of course. We don't want any earthquakes, :p )
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 09:30
Maybe Jakey and Chrissie will start ot fizzle out (storyline being changed because of TAO leaving) but Jakey still helps her to get away, because he'snice like that:) There again if Sam has been put in jail for Den's murder then Chrissie won't have anything to worry about surely?
I don't get why she has to leave if someone has already been convicted of Den's murder surely TAO could stay..it happens in movies and other dramas all the time..
I don't either -- and in my mind Sam is going down because if she gets let off then why doesn't she come back to the Square? Plus "Verdict: Guilty," is hardly explosive, and if they do Chrissie trying to run but being caught it'll be copying the Janine storyline.
She might run to be on the safe side -- just incase the police start putting 2 and 2 together. Maybe she tells Jake the truth, he dumps her, so she says "Bollocks to Walford," and goes. (But again, hardly explosive) I really don't know. :searchme:
so she says "Bollocks to Walford," and goes. (But again, hardly explosive) I really don't know. :searchme:
:rotfl: I think if anyone dumps anyone it would be Chrissie doing the dirty on Jakey. What I don't want to happen is for Jakey to go with her, hopefully he won't be. Maybe Chrissie just runs on her own without any help. What would make an exposive end to this storyline which seems to be going on and on, would be if amanda/Jakey arranged Chrissie's escape, Jakey fixing up say a boat for her,amanda setting up all the new identiy papers etc and there being a race against time to get Chrissie out of the square. Perhaps a car chase, Jakey at the wheel being chased by the cops, (or that time is running out as the boat is leaving soon)Jakey losing them etc..then a tearful farewell as he watches the love of his life sail off into the sunset to start a new life, leaving him behind..
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 10:56
I think once the murder comes out Jake will need some time to get his head around it, which Chrissie may interprete as him not wanting anything to do with her.
I don't think Chrissie will do anything to Jake, even if she doesn't feel the same way about him as he does about her, he's her one pillar of support and I think she'll be do everything she can not to lose him, even if it means lying to him -- that might be what pushes Jake away in the end, the fact that she's lying to him, especially if he asks her straight out whether she killed Den. What I think would be a powerful scene is him asking straight out "Did you kill him," and Chrissie realising she can't keep lying to him and just saying "Yes." :crying: Jake freaks out and leaves the Vic to go and get his head around it, Chrissie gets a call from Amanda saying she has to leave now, and Chrissie goes without making it up with Jake. :crying:
lildevil
11-08-2005, 17:52
CAn't wait for jake to come back
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 18:44
*pines for Jakey* I hope he's back pretty soon after the body's found -- if he is he should pop up in the POS soon.
I wonder where he's going to live -- Johnny owns the Moon's house. Either Jake and Johnny make up pretty fast, or our boy is going to be homeless.
I think the rent agreement on the house is in Alfie's name so I don't think that there will be a problem and to be honest I can see Jakey spending most of his time staying over at the Vic. However when Alfie and Nana leave then there will be a problem with Jakey living at no 41. Personally I think that Jakey will stay at the Vic with Sharon and Dennis after Chrissie leaves, this would be good.
*pine* *Pine* aww your banner *pine* *pine*
BlackKat
12-08-2005, 10:57
Bad news (http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=20801) -- looks like she might try and take Jakey with her when she runs. :( Although if they get caught, it doesn't necessarily mean Jakey is leaving...and it is kinda sweet...
Heh, toy boy lover.
Edit: Um...had a thought. If they claim Den was killed on the night he apparently came back to Walford, instead of the night Sharon came back, Jake might not have an alibi for that night (he does for the actual night). Chrissie and Jake were flirting for a bit before Den's death, Den dies and things heat up between them, and then when the body's found they both try to run...anyone else have a feeling it isn't looking good for Jake, as well as Chrissie? Especially as I doubt his record is completely spotless. *gulps*
lildevil
12-08-2005, 12:31
can't wait till jake comes back.
cuite girl 99
13-08-2005, 19:18
i think that jake is so ugly it is unblevable
i_luv_dennis
13-08-2005, 19:20
i dont agree
Angeldelight
14-08-2005, 15:31
i think that jake is so ugly it is unblevable
Firstly you can't spell and this is a Jake Heaven thread if you don't like him don't post...
i think that jake is so ugly it is unblevable
This thread is for Jake /Joel Lovers, hence the title "Jake Heaven". If you don't like the character then please do not post in here.
Thanks.
Bad news (http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=20801)-- looks like she might try and take Jakey with her when she runs. :( Although if they get caught, it doesn't necessarily mean Jakey is leaving...and it is kinda sweet...
Heh, toy boy lover.
Edit: Um...had a thought. If they claim Den was killed on the night he apparently came back to Walford, instead of the night Sharon came back, Jake might not have an alibi for that night (he does for the actual night). Chrissie and Jake were flirting for a bit before Den's death, Den dies and things heat up between them, and then when the body's found they both try to run...anyone else have a feeling it isn't looking good for Jake, as well as Chrissie? Especially as I doubt his record is completely spotless. *gulps*
All I can say is Johnny:) I think a post mortem examination can confirm exactly when someone died. If I have this right then Jakey will be o.k.
If not then Johnny could be Jakey's saving grace, then Jakey will owe Johnny..
BlackKat
15-08-2005, 09:12
See, now I've thought about it, I decided it'll be okay. :D
Plus, with Dennis apparently leaving (which is not a good thing) but...well, they'd be idiots to get rid of another character, when they've got so many leaving of their own accord.
i_luv_dennis
15-08-2005, 10:12
yep
That's why I'm certain that Jakey/Joel will be staying hopefully for a long time. With Nigel leaving which I'm not happy about but at least it's of his own accord, I had a feeling that this would happen though with both him and Letita having taken extended leave a few times. I will miss him and Letita. Joel will now be 'Enders no 1 totty and more than likely be put in a lot of central roles and big storylines. Also I think that Joel will take over from where Shane RIchie left off and he will become a very big part of Easties and even more hugely popular than he already is.
As we have said time and time again he is a very flexible character who will fit in anywhere and so much can be done with Jakey, providing the storylines are well written. Afterall Joel is all part of this new look Enders and still new blood and this is where they want to be concentrating on the new blood, not the old Hasbeins, especially with so many big names leaving at the end of the year. If Joel was to go too in my opinion it would be a complete disaster and Enders could end up in real trouble. They must concentrate on building the new characters including Joel, but it is even more important to mix the new blood with the old established blood i.e Dot/Pauline/Pat etc
BlackKat
15-08-2005, 11:09
I can't wait til he's back - we should see lots of him, in order to build the character up some more. There are some theories that EE knew a while ago Nigel would be leaving soon -- maybe this is another reason they decided to bring Joel back. :searchme: I don't want him to become a Dennis replacement, but they do need some big characters to fill the gap of all the ones leaving.
Carrie Bradshaw
15-08-2005, 11:14
I think that we would have heard by now if Joel was leaving. *hopes*
I agree that it would be foolish for TPTB to get rid of him when so many of the other big characters are leaving.
I think that we would have heard by now if Joel was leaving. *hopes*
I agree that it would be foolish for TPTB to get rid of him when so many of the other big characters are leaving.
Exactly, the way things are going there won't be any good characters left so it would be wise for them to keep Jake.
lildevil
15-08-2005, 13:09
well, angledelight i can spell and i do like jake thankyou very much.
I can't wait til he's back - we should see lots of him, in order to build the character up some more. There are some theories that EE knew a while ago Nigel would be leaving soon -- maybe this is another reason they decided to bring Joel back. :searchme: I don't want him to become a Dennis replacement, but they do need some big characters to fill the gap of all the ones leaving.
No I can't either. Jakey should have quite a few storylines when he returns, firstly there's the rest of what happened that night after Jakey told Johnny "To shoot them or don't it was up to him." How did they get out of the forest, where'd they go, squat, mates, B&B all three. What happened with Danny etc. Another confrontation with Johnny, Jakissie, "The great Escape", meeting the Mitchells..Will Jakey ever tell D the truth about Andy etc and that's just for starters!!
I don't think Jakey will ever become another D or Alfie he will be his own unique character and a very strong one at that. I think he'll take over the role of sexiest male from Nigel and best actor from Shane..
Just thought we now have to find a new mate for Jakey. Deniis is now off the list so how about Deano Pat's nephew?
BlackKat
16-08-2005, 08:10
Just thought we now have to find a new mate for Jakey. Deniis is now off the list so how about Deano Pat's nephew?
He's a bit young I think - isn't he about 19?
...I can't actually think of any guys around Jake's age once Dennis has gone, :hmm:
BlackKat
16-08-2005, 08:12
No I can't either. Jakey should have quite a few storylines when he returns, firstly there's the rest of what happened that night after Jakey told Johnny "To shoot them or don't it was up to him." How did they get out of the forest, where'd they go, squat, mates, B&B all three. What happened with Danny etc. Another confrontation with Johnny, Jakissie, "The great Escape", meeting the Mitchells..Will Jakey ever tell D the truth about Andy etc and that's just for starters!!
Yep, they really meant it when they said he was going to be in the thick of things. I can't wait for the confrontation with Johnny -- I don't want Jake working for Johnny anymore, but the relationship between them still really interests me.
He's a bit young I think - isn't he about 19?
...I can't actually think of any guys around Jake's age once Dennis has gone, :hmm:
Deano is 18.
He's a bit young I think - isn't he about 19?
...I can't actually think of any guys around Jake's age once Dennis has gone, :hmm:
Well I was thinking that because of Pat, so maybe Jakey would be more of a big brother to him, sorting him out when he was giving Pat grief..
How about chucking Jakey in with Minty and Gary, three of them out on the pull together and poss Jakey moving in with them. Yes I think that would work well.
I can also see Jakey befriending Joe, infact he'll fit in with anyone:)
Just thought Pat will more than likely get the bookies now, so maybe in the futrue Jakey and Pat will run the bookies together. In the meantime I can see Jakey/D and Pat working there together
Still prefer Builder Jakey (Drool..Jeans...cement dust...builders bum LOL):wub:
BlackKat
16-08-2005, 10:20
Actually, once Alfie is gone, they could make a short storyline out of the fact that Jake would be without a family -- not a woe is me, my entire family has left so I'm going to find a long-lost relative to stalk like they did with Pauline, but just the fact that for the first time probably in his life Jake is on his own.
Actually, once Alfie is gone, they could make a short storyline out of the fact that Jake would be without a family -- not a woe is me, my entire family has left so I'm going to find a long-lost relative to stalk like they did with Pauline, but just the fact that for the first time probably in his life Jake is on his own.
turn the moon house into a bachelor pad!
That's what I was thinking I can actually see Jakey still living at the Moons with a couple of other blokes. Or Jakey could be the mordern day "Man about the House" Jakey and two women...
I think that once Alfie/Nana and Chrissie go Jakey may well feel alone. Whilst Jakey is feeling low and alone the mother could turn up and poor Jakey's world will be turned upside down...
With regards to Deano he could also turn to Jakey for advice and help..
I've been thinking about possible mates for Jakey
We have as I 've already said Minty/Gary
Then there's Ian. I think this would be an interesting friendship and could actually see the two of them getting along.
Mickey possibly, especially if he were to become involved with Dawn..
My fav for now would be Ian.
BlackKat
17-08-2005, 08:27
I was thinking we could have a while of him on his own, feeling a bit low, then like you said the mother turns up, along with some other members of the family.
Btw, Joel was in Inside Soap yesterday, looking gorgeous as usual. :wub: Didn't say much about Jake, it was mostly about the Inside Soap awards, but did say the response had been good and that's the reason Jake's coming back and that next year was going to be exciting.
BlackKat
17-08-2005, 08:29
Page 50 - :D 50 pages of Jakey goodness. :cheer: :lol:
I was thinking we could have a while of him on his own, feeling a bit low, then like you said the mother turns up, along with some other members of the family.
Btw, Joel was in Inside Soap yesterday, looking gorgeous as usual. :wub: Didn't say much about Jake, it was mostly about the Inside Soap awards, but did say the response had been good and that's the reason Jake's coming back and that next year was going to be exciting.
That's good news at least that tells us he'll be in Enders next year!:wub: :wub:
Joel is hugely popular and it's not just because of the younger viewers/fans, it's because of the public in general as the awards are proving. He IS definitely going to be a huge asset to Easties.
Joel/Jake will become more and more popular as time goes on, especially as Nigel is leaving, that's what my instincts are telling me anyway. I think that Jake will be around for a long time, but having said that it all depends on how things go in the autumn and if the storylines are fulfilling enough for Joel..
Thanks for that info:)
Yes 50 pages of pure Jakey Heaven......(*drool*...*Pine*...)
I agree and think that Jakey will be on his own for a while and I'm sure he will be feeling very low with losing Chrissie, Nana dying and then Alfie leaving. In fact Jakey may well feel that once again he has been abandoned like he was by his dad when he and Danny were children...
BlackKat
18-08-2005, 09:00
I'm looking forward to Jake's reaction to Nana's death - obviously it's going to affect Alfie more, seeing as she was his Nana and she helped raise him etc, but Jake and Danny were close to her as well, and they kind of adopted her as their nana when they came to Walford -- although Danny more than Jake I think.
I think he'll definitely feel a bit abandoned once Alfie's gone -- especially if Danny is the one who pushes Jake away, because then his entire family as well as Chrissie has left him behind, three of them voluntarily! (Well, I suppose if Chrissie goes to prison it won't exactly be voluntarily, but you know what I mean.) And then add in the possibility of the mother having left, as well as the father. :( Aw, poor Jakey. :wub:
Edit: They talked to about 5 of them I think about the Inside Soap awards, and Shane Richie said he'd like to see Joel get best newcomer, which made me like him. I still don't like Alfie much, but, y'know. :lol:
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2560/chrissieandpegzo1xr.jpg
jake is obvioisuly back for the funeral, so thats early - mid september
I'm looking forward to Jake's reaction to Nana's death - obviously it's going to affect Alfie more, seeing as she was his Nana and she helped raise him etc, but Jake and Danny were close to her as well, and they kind of adopted her as their nana when they came to Walford -- although Danny more than Jake I think.
I think he'll definitely feel a bit abandoned once Alfie's gone -- especially if Danny is the one who pushes Jake away, because then his entire family as well as Chrissie has left him behind, three of them voluntarily! (Well, I suppose if Chrissie goes to prison it won't exactly be voluntarily, but you know what I mean.) And then add in the possibility of the mother having left, as well as the father. :( Aw, poor Jakey. :wub:
Edit: They talked to about 5 of them I think about the Inside Soap awards, and Shane Richie said he'd like to see Joel get best newcomer, which made me like him. I still don't like Alfie much, but, y'know. :lol:
I think Shane and Joel must really get on as Shane always seems to be looking out for him. There again I think Shane maybe like that likes to see fair play and tells it how it is. Before Easties I hated Shane Richie and couldn't stand him or Alfie when he first came into Easties, but both soon grew on me. Alfie I think if I'm to be totally honest I do like even though he's wimpishness makes me cringe at times and I hate those stupid scenes of Alfie running around the square all the time. Overall I do like his character, he's different.
Jake in some ways is similar to Alfie, but of course he is a much stronger person and just tells it how it is, straight to the point no messing. If Jake wants something he goes all out to get it and he loves nothing more than a challenge. I think Joel maybe the same just striaght down the line. One things for sure Joel has one hell of a beautiful personality and seems to be a very loving and caring person. BTW have you seen the foot article on JBOL? (Re: "Softie" awww)
When everyone has "abandoned Jakey" we may see tears and a lot of emotion at first, but then because Jakey has this ability to pick himself up and move on, no matter what life throws at him, he'll do just that. I think that Jake may change slightly, he may put up a barrier around himself, not in the sense of locking himself away, but a hard and protective one that won't be easy to break down...You can already see some hardness and coolness in him at times which is understandable considering the rough ride he had as a child.
I think that Joel will get best new comer and possibly sexiest male, but with Nigel leaving he may grab the title again. Next year however I'm certain Joel will get it along with a couple of others.:)
i_luv_dennis
19-08-2005, 13:20
he is back in september
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