she will want jade then perhaps as long as she don't steal stacey's baby
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she will want jade then perhaps as long as she don't steal stacey's baby
How sad! I'm not sure I'll be able to watch those episodes. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I never wanted Shabnam to have another baby because I felt it interfered with the Jade storyline, but I wouldn't wish stillbirth on even a fictional character. :crying:
I would love to see this done well as the last stillbirth (Vivienne Hobbs) was over with quite quickly as it was used to write out an actress that had been sacked. I do fear though that it'll be reduced to a plot device eventually to reunite Shabnam with Jade. I hate the way birth parents can abandon/have their kids adopted and then be called Mum and Dad as if nothing happened.
God, I almost forgot about Ronnie's storyline. I hope this isn't a repeat. I hated that story, and so did the actress, which was why she left EE.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I wonder if this is the same big tragedy they were planning for the Masoods all along, which may mean that Jade won't die after all? I hope so, as I hate watching something with a child's death in it. Not that stillborn is better.
this could push kush more to pregnant stacy
I think it must be. Jade's death was pure speculation on our part before we know of the existence of the new baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Perhaps, but then again the Masood story is supposed to be one big tragedy, so maybe it'll be both? The stillborn baby, followed by Jade's death. God I hope not. I know EE has a thing for tragedy, but that seems bit too much for me to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I hope not I would prefer it bring him closer to Shabham who I think will blame herself as she didn't want this baby from the startQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I wonder could Shabham perhaps attempt suicide over this and that could be part of the Masood family tragedy also
I hope it brings them closer together as Stacey getting close to Kush when she is pregnant would be another storyline that would do the character no favours. She barely seems to like or have time for Martin, never mind anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
If Shabnam attempts suicide, DTC will have hit a new low. It has only been a few months since Kat's attempt and while the episode itself was good, the aftermath (or lack of) was a disgrace. His record for dealing with serious issues properly is abysmal. I could see it happening though, as he has a tendency to take things one twist too far.
I too hope they don't go down the attempted suicide route. I imagine Shabnam is likely see the stillbirth as a punishment from God for abandoning Jade. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
The aftermath of Kat's suicide was non-existent. It's terrible that such an emotive issue should be done purely for sensationalism! :angry:
Shabnam Masood could be set to finally bond with her daughter Jade, judging by recent pictures of the pair filming together.
Rakhee Thakrar was spotted during recordings on Saturday (August 8).
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Rakhee Thakrar films EastEnders with her on-screen daughter
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Rakhee Thakrar films with her on-screen daughter
It could be that Shabnam turns to her daughter for comfort following the tragic stillbirth of her and Kush Kazemi's baby.
The scenes filmed today are due to air October 15.
Thakrar and Amaya Edward, who plays Jade, were also seen joking when the cameras weren't rolling.
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Rakhee Thakrar films EastEnders with her on-screen daughter
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Rakhee Thakrar films with her on-screen daughter
Shabnam currently has nothing to do with Jade after conceiving her during a one night stand with Dean Wicks (Matt Di Angelo) and giving her up for adoption.
Grandmother Shirley tracked Jade down and introduced her to Dean but Shabnam currently has no desire to bond with her daughter.
Could that be about to change in the wake of the devastating news to hit Shabnam and Kush?
Here's a really interesting and moving interview with Rakhee Thakrar about the stillbirth storyline and the huge reaction to it. It's helped a lot of parents of stillborn babies. Rakhee also talks about Shabnam and Jade's future.
Taken from: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...rakhee-thakrarQuote:
It was one of EastEnders's most powerful ever storylines: Shabnam Masood giving birth to her stillborn son Zaair in emotional scenes broadcast back in September.
Radio Times readers were full of praise for what they saw, commenting that the episodes were 'beautifully acted by all involved' and that the emotional subject matter was 'sensitively handled'.
Now, one month on, we catch up with actress Rakhee Thakrar, who reflects on the impact of the plotline and also tells us what's in store as Shabnam fights for the welfare of daughter Jade.
The reaction to the episodes in which Shabnam gave birth was massive. Was it overwhelming for you?
Definitely. 'Overwhelming' is an understatement. At the time, we were still filming some emotional aftermath scenes, so it felt a bit surreal. We all did the story with the best of intentions and we put our hearts and souls into it. But you never know how the viewers are going to react. It was, though, everything we could have hoped for. It was amazing.
Your Twitter feed was filled with people posting images of their stillborn children. It was a very moving response - but was it something you were expecting?
I was hoping for it because I knew how much of a taboo there was about this subject. People can feel uncomfortable talking about babies that have died because it sounds so unthinkable.
And, in the case of stillbirth, the baby was only ever in the mother's tummy and not out in the world for everyone to see. So people - when they're talking to bereaved parents - can be quick to brush it under the carpet and say things like, 'you'll have another one' or 'you've got another child'.
So on the evenings that the key episodes aired, I had this outpouring from parents, siblings, grandparents, aunties, uncles - loads of people getting in touch to talk about their experiences. All these viewers wanting to show that their babies have had a profound effect on their lives. So it demonstrated that there’s a clear want and need for this to be talked about. And it felt like EastEnders had given a platform to those who'd been affected.
I guess it just goes to show the power that a programme like EastEnders can have…
What I think we did really well was the episode where we saw Shabnam imploring her family to say Zaair's name. And that was all about acknowledging this little person. She was saying: don't pretend that it wasn't real. It was very real.
It was then that I started the #SayTheirName hash-tag on Twitter, which took on a life of its own, really. Parents were all supporting each other and it turned into a kind of movement. There are communities, Facebook pages and charities all working towards the same thing, but it did feel that - on the Tuesday night - everyone came together and shone a light on their babies. They were posting pictures of their babies for the first time and feeling proud. That evening was very special.
Do you think it was sensitively handled on screen?
Definitely. It was handled so sensitively. It wasn’t sensationalised and the script was really simple and true. It was one of those rare times when you see a day play out as it would in real life. And I had a lot of feedback from parents saying that what they saw Shabnam and Kush experience was exactly how they themselves felt.
I also thought that it was right for the press department to signpost the content beforehand - you had to give viewers the option not to watch. If they'd been through something similar in the past few months, then they could have found the episodes incredibly difficult to handle. But I thought the storyline was really well-thought out from every angle.
And the story will now continue as Shabnam grows increasingly concerned about the welfare of Jade, the daughter she previously gave up…
Yes, Shabnam has been left with all these maternal feelings coursing through her blood. And she has nowhere to put them. And from speaking to bereaved parents with other living children, what they told me was that - all of a sudden - they're struck with this fear that something might happen to their other son or daughter. Once your baby dies, you suddenly know what can go wrong in the world because the most devastating thing has happened. It's like a veil has been lifted. And that's what happens to Shabnam.
She sees Jade going to Dean’s house and, in that one moment, everything falls into place. Up until then, she has been avoiding that situation. A lot of women say that when your baby dies, you just see what’s important. A lot of the rubbish falls away. And, in the moment, all she can see is Jade possibly going to live with Dean, Shirley and Buster.
She believes that they won't do a good job in looking after her, especially when it comes to providing the level of care needed for a child with cystic fibrosis. Shabnam has this urge to save Jade - that’s what she feels like she’s doing.
And, of course, she is right to be wary of Dean…
Well, he's already gatecrashed Shabnam's engagement party. So he has a habit of going up against her. And I think he will again. There’s no reason why he wouldn’t. But there’s nothing fiercer and more protective than a bereaved parent - and I think he will meet his match.
Throughout all of this, Stacey is Shabnam's confidante - but will it all come out about Stacey's dalliances with Kush?
It has to! Of course it does. But I don’t want it to! It’d be lovely for Shabnam and Kush to have some happy moments, which have so far been few and far between. At the moment, they're trying to adjust to a new 'normal', but it'll take a while for them to realise that life doesn't go back to normal. But it would be nice for them to have a few glimmers of hope before it all goes wrong again.
How would she react if Kush turned out to be the father of Stacey's baby?
If that turns out to be the case, then it would be very difficult. But it would be interesting to see how she reacts. I have a feeling it won't be in the way you'd expect. As I say, since Zaair died, Shabnam's world has changed in terms of what's important. I don’t think you can get much worse than your baby dying. If that hadn't happened, then Kush being the dad would feel like the worst thing in her life. Now, her hierarchy of pain is different.
And, finally, do you now think that Shabnam has now become an archetypal EastEnders heroine - someone who faces massive adversity, manages to somehow dust themselves down and then hides her pain from those around her?
Well, we all hide our pain, don't we? It's just natural. Shabnam can't be having a breakdown in the Minute Mart every day! So it's a natural survival technique.
We'll still see moments, though, where she brings up Zaair's name and other people will change the subject. That happens a lot to bereaved parents - when they’re asked how many children they have, they’ll often omit the one that died, just to spare the other party any awkwardness.
It's really unfair because it often falls on the bereaved parent to make the situation comfortable. We, as the non-bereaved parents, need to talk about it so that we take on this burden. I think there are moments in which we can all help in those situations.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Shabnam bond with Jade, although I could do without Shirley and Dean's involvement. They're bound to revert to their nasty type when they find out Shabnam now wants custody.
"I have a feeling it won't be in the way you'd expect. "
Interesting use of tense.
"I have a feeling it won't be in the way you'd expect. "
Interesting use of tense.
I agree, Rakhee more or less confirms Stacey's baby is Kush's with that sentence. At least it sounds like the news won't break Shabnam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
The baby can't be due until February/March time so I'm not sure the cast would know who the father is yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
You might be right and I could be reading too much into Rakhee's choice of words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
However, I don't see any reason why the truth - whatever that is - shouldn't be revealed before the birth. Stacey's been hiding the scan photos from Martin, possibly because the gestational age (which is printed on scan photos) proves he's not the father. If that's the case, the truth could come out any time (for example, he could find one of the scan photos and realise something's amiss).
I don't think the dates from the scan photos would prove anything necessarily. Dates on scans are done from measurements I believe and some babies are small for their age (making them look younger) and some large (making them look older.) Even Stacey could not know for certain if she slept with both around the same time. She could of course have some form of pre-natal DNA test (the one Nancy mentioned to Linda) but I'm not sure she would (risk of miscarriage and she's worried enough about her bipolar.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Stacey claimed the printer was broken at the first scan so they may not even have a scan photo yet.
I just wonder if they havent finally decidedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
who the father is yet??
The scene where Kush & Stacey could have
had sex - was left for viewer to think either
way.
Behaviour to Martin could mean hes not
and thoughtful looks at Kush could mean
he might be. Some of Staceys remarks could
be interpreted either way or she may be
just worried because of she already has one
child and concernedabout "coping" in general.?
Perhaps Ive missed or misinterpreted something??
One thing Im trying to remember ?? Is I'm
sure there was mention some time ago
of Shabnam reurning to.Pakistan- at least
for a while -but no further mention??
I know the story has a lot of soap
cliches but I do think its been well acted
by those playing Stacey.Shab & Kush so
hope finer points of story arent let down
by writing.
I had cause to research this not long ago when a young woman I know was pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
The early ultrasound (called the dating scan) is a very, very accurate - to within 5 days. It's true that as the pregnancy progresses, the babies become more individual and dating the pregnancy becomes less accurate. However, at about 10-12 weeks (when the dating scan is normally performed), it gives a very accurate estimate. So if Stacey attended the scan at the usual point in her pregnancy, the date given is likely to be very close.
I've done some research to try and pinpoint the date we think Stacey possibly slept with Kush (when they spent the evening drinking wine at her flat) and the first time she slept with Martin. The dates are:
Kush: 21st May (here's the episode guide for that date: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05wgwsl)
Martin: 19th June (episode guide: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05zpsyz)
So that's a whole month apart. Plenty of time for Stacey to know the identity of the father from her menstrual cycle and from the dating scan.
I think that's unlikely since we saw her deliberately hide the second scan from Martin. She's keeping the photos from him for a reason, although that reason could turn out to have nothing to do with the dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I was still hoping Stacey would end up being mistaken and the baby would turn out to be Martin's after all, but the above dates make that unlikely - unless she never did sleep with Kush. I hope that's the case and the hints we're being given are red herrings.
Storylines are planned up to a year in advance, so it's definitely been decided one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
I don't think so, MM. We're being given hints the baby's Kush, especially with Stacey being so secretive about the pregnancy with Martin. The writers could deliberately be laying a false trail though. I still hope that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
She was going to return to Pakistan after Zaair's funeral, but decided against it when she and Kush reconciled.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Yes, it is well acted and could yet be compelling viewing. It's a shame it's so unoriginal.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Thats very interesting info about the Scans!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
My hairdresser who had a baby last year said
they explained at hospital.how they did the
calculation.
So I knew it was quite precise but not that speciic!
It would be nice and add to tradition if Martin-
a Fowler was the father -but they will probably
go for the more dramatic choice.!
thanks v.much for all info.MMQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Shabnam Masood tries to get back in Stacey Branning's good books on EastEnders tonight (November 5), but another drama lies just around the corner.
As Shabnam (Rakhee Thakrar) prepares for her Mehndi ahead of tomorrow's wedding, she reaches out to Stacey to make amends - wanting her to be there despite their argument earlier this week.
Shabnam is relieved when Stacey (Lacey Turner) is also keen to forget their bickering, but as they spend time together, Shabnam is alarmed to realise that her best friend may be hiding a big secret.
Putting various clues together, Shabnam suddenly becomes suspicious that Martin Fowler may not be the father of Stacey's baby after all. How will Stacey respond to Shabnam's theory?
could she have cervical cancer?
I think maybe the difficult delivery of the placenta has caused scarring in the womb that will make it hard to carry a pregnancy full term now?
Kush wouldn't hold her hand.
:-(
I didn't understand that scene because he seems to genuinely love her. :searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
Is she and Jade gone for good now? I do hope not
me too. I think Shabs has been brilliantQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
me too. I think Shabs has been brilliantQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Rakhee's left EastEnders for good. I'm really gutted, but at least Shabnam got a happy ending with Jade.
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EastEnders star Rakhee Thakrar has shared a touching handwritten message with fans following her exit from the soap.
The actress recently quit the show after two years in the role of Shabnam Masood.
Thakrar referred to Shabnam's heartbreaking stillbirth storyline in the note, asking her followers to "break the silence" and reach out to people who have been affected by stillbirth.
"Thank you. I can't get over all your lovely messages, it's really moving, you're all so beautiful!!!" she wrote.
"As I leave the show, may I ask 1 thing? If you know anyone that's ever been affected by our story that may be an aunt, uncle, grandparent, sibling, friend or parent who has a baby that's died…break the silence.
"Send them a little text to say you're thinking of them, pop round with cake and talk, get involved with their fundraising/petition, or simply light a candle for their baby and remember them."
Replying to a fan on Twitter, Thakrar also wrote: "Bereaved parents will tell u, u never get over it. Which is why the grief we showed kept going on x."
Thakrar became an ambassador for stillbirth charity Sands after being moved by the stories she heard during her research for the plot.
The actress made her final appearance on Friday night's episode (February 5), as Shabnam decided to leave Walford for a fresh start with her daughter Jade.
Thakrar joined the cast of EastEnders in late 2013 and made her first appearance as Shabnam in January 2014. The role had previously been played by Zahra Ahmadi in 2007 and 2008.
a really great actress, big loss for the show, felt her exit was rushed