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Loving Dawn tonight, she was well scary. :cheer:
What is Tanya doing? I know Sean isn't the nicest person in the world but I don't like to see anyone being used and she is out of order when she knows how he feels and he trusted her with his secret.
JustJodi
28-02-2008, 23:10
Ok folks how many nearly lost their tea when Ian popped up in those bikni bottoms:sick:
I found him very very hard to look at...:sick:
Dawn :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: calling Tina's bluff,,, she now has the respect from Jay..it was a great scene !!!!
Poor charlie LOL it was funny when it finally came out he was sneaking candy/snacks in the cab ,,,
interesting scene with Jean and Stephen( and 10 yr old Staceys secret longing to be a fashion designer)
Max just makes my stomach churn,, he evokes pure evil,, those eyes ,,,<<shudder>>>:thumbsdow Partner says he SINGS HORRIBLE :mad:
Tanya had the gall to ask Sean to babysit so she could go to the parent and teacher meeting.
Yes, it was not a pretty sight, Mr Beale in his kecks. :eek: :lol:
Max definitely should not try to become a singer if he comes out alive from his forthcoming ordeal.
LostVoodoo
29-02-2008, 07:30
i found the fact that they were singing The Wild Rose a bit creepy!
i found the fact that they were singing The Wild Rose a bit creepy!
Yes I found that a bit creepy too... Tanya is either been very smart or very stupid and playing Sean (as much as I think he is an :moonie: ) he doesn't deserve it.
Ian :sick::sick::sick:.. although was expecting tighty whiteys... Clare annoys me so much.
Dawn, amazing what a mum will do for her kids.. Loved the way she handled that woman
Whats Tanya up to?? I do wanna see Max get his come-uppance but poor Sean.
Well done Dawn standing up to that Chav :thumbsup:
Claire needs to get a better bra i think her boobs will fall out . That sight of Ian was too much :thumbsdow
Surely Bobby will tell Jane that Claire was at the house
I think Yolande was over reacting i felt sorry for poor Charlie
Didn't Yolande used to be nice a while back? She's always so sour-faced, pompous and self-righteous these days. I must have missed the episode where she had her personality transplant!
Agree with everyone else - I want Tanya to come out on top re her custody case etc with Max but I don't think it's fair to manipulate and involve Sean.Although, speaking as a mum myself, if I ever found myself in a position where I thought I might lose my girls then I would do whatever it took to make sure it didn't happen.
Ian in his underwear didn't alarm me as much as Steven Beale's way over the top facial expressions which I swear are becoming more absurd each episode he's in.
Dutchgirl
29-02-2008, 11:54
Nice to see Patrick again.
Dawn well done! I knew that if Tina pushed the wrong button Dawn would get very angry.
parkerman
29-02-2008, 17:00
Claire needs to get a better bra i think her boobs will fall out.
We can only hope...:thumbsup:
Johnny Allen
29-02-2008, 22:07
Ian's in for a tough time now with Claire she's got him hook line and sinker.
Got to love Tanya, she's well on top but Max has got no idea, love it.
I really like Jean and Mo together bit of a double act forming there, I think.
StarsOfCCTV
29-02-2008, 22:54
Mo and Jean sounded exactly like my two aunts, cackling away :lol:
Go Tanya :p Sean's underestimated her too..
Dutchgirl
01-03-2008, 12:45
Love Mo and Jean. They sincerely like each other as partners in crime.
Go Tanya! Max has it coming.
And Ian should have seen that one coming he all ready had the same thing going with Janine. Only difference Clare did not have to actually sleep with him.
Chris_2k11
01-03-2008, 23:42
Too much Clare at the moment
JustJodi
01-03-2008, 23:58
Is any one else getting a bit BORED with Clare.. I mean she is so OBVIOUS !!! Looks like Ian will still get to see the queen ??????:searchme:
Guess Edward SAW through Clare ???:hmm: :searchme:
Is any one else getting a bit BORED with Clare.. I mean she is so OBVIOUS !!!
I know, Thats why I never liked her on hollyoaks
Pinkbanana
02-03-2008, 11:19
Is any one else getting a bit BORED with Clare.. I mean she is so OBVIOUS !!!
I know, Thats why I never liked her on hollyoaks
I've found her return to be one big disappointment...:thumbsdow
JustJodi
02-03-2008, 13:03
does any one know if Clare is on EE for long term ?? or is she just on for a bit ???:hmm:
Clare is boring me. Maybe it is because i still see her as Clare Devine but that isn't hard as they are so similar.
*-Rooney-*
02-03-2008, 14:06
it must be boring for the actress too, imagine going from on eacting job to another playing the exact same part
megan999
02-03-2008, 16:21
The only thing I like about Clare is the way she is with Bradley - she gets exasperated with him and that makes me laugh :D So now she's blackmailing Ian after leading him on - am I right? Why did she try to ruin his "relationship" with Edward? Was it to show him who's boss?
*-Rooney-*
02-03-2008, 16:30
I dont know why she did that, but i dont think she did it to show him who is boss as he doesnt know she said anything and she didnt tell him. When she made a slip of the tongue when she said "still" she quickly got out of it, as if she didnt want him to know she had said anything so im confused about why she did it also
JustJodi
02-03-2008, 16:33
I do not think what ever it was that Clare said to Ian made any difference to Edward cos he still wants Ian to go as his guest and for him to bring his WIFE Jane with him,, so Clare did not get the desired affect ????
Clare is boring me. Maybe it is because i still see her as Clare Devine but that isn't hard as they are so similar.
I think thats my problem with her too, and just the general way she portrays the character
it must be boring for the actress too, imagine going from on eacting job to another playing the exact same part
I know, but then again from her point of view she must think EE is better cos its had more success so still thinks it will be better for her
Chris_2k11
02-03-2008, 17:47
I wouldnt mind so much if she resembled how she was years ago but she was never anything like that, she might as well be a totally different person. they've saw her success on hollyoaks and thought "ooh we'll make her like that" and its backfired imo.
I wouldnt mind so much if she resembled how she was years ago but she was never anything like that, she might as well be a totally different person. they've saw her success on hollyoaks and thought "ooh we'll make her like that" and its backfired imo.
I know, what was she like when she was younger anyway?
*-Rooney-*
02-03-2008, 17:54
she was a nice kid - she was sonias best pal (that should give u a rough idea) then they left and they came back for a visit and she was a little cow towards sonia, (that i do remember)
she was a nice kid - she was sonias best pal (that should give u a rough idea) then they left and they came back for a visit and she was a little cow towards sonia, (that i do remember)
Really? How old was she then?
Chris_2k11
02-03-2008, 17:56
I wouldnt mind so much if she resembled how she was years ago but she was never anything like that, she might as well be a totally different person. they've saw her success on hollyoaks and thought "ooh we'll make her like that" and its backfired imo.
I know, what was she like when she was younger anyway?just sweet and normal, not bitchy or anything
*-Rooney-*
02-03-2008, 18:03
not sure of how old she was when she was a kid but she left the square 10 yrs ago with step father nigel who she doesnt say much about now (or anything come to think of it) so judging by sonias age she may have been 12 or 13 when she left just a guess though
After having watched today's omnibus, I think Clare got upset when Ian told her to serve drinks and not to talk, that is why she tried to spoil Ian's visit to the Queen. I think so, anyway.
After having watched today's omnibus, I think Clare got upset when Ian told her to serve drinks and not to talk, that is why she tried to spoil Ian's visit to the Queen. I think so, anyway.
That would make sense cos so far she has been in control of Ian, not the other way around
brenda1971
03-03-2008, 12:55
I find Clare very annoying what was the point of bringing hwe back. And also is Hazel not coming back now
*-Rooney-*
03-03-2008, 13:59
oh i forgot all about hazel lol, Even if she did and wanted to marry minty would the magazine not think it was strange since the woman next to minty on the pics is heather and not hazel lol
Im confused why isnt hazel coming back :(?
JustJodi
03-03-2008, 14:47
4 people are "missing" at the moment..GARRY, MINTY, HAZEL, HEATHER...are those 4 going to make another appearance ???
Also where is DARREN,Sqiggles and Chelsa???and Pat ??? ( she is gonna be peeved when she sees the DAMAGE that Billy and Honey has done to her house LOL )
4 people are "missing" at the moment..GARRY, MINTY, HAZEL, HEATHER...are those 4 going to make another appearance ???
Also where is DARREN,Sqiggles and Chelsa???and Pat ??? ( she is gonna be peeved when she sees the DAMAGE that Billy and Honey has done to her house LOL )
lol, I know, where have they all gone!!!
*-Rooney-*
03-03-2008, 15:23
we havent saw much of darren, squiggle, and pat since kevins death, chelsea has been around in scenes with clare.
Do you think darren knows his house has become the next B & B lol
Lol probably not, where did he go anyway?
*-Rooney-*
03-03-2008, 15:35
maybe hes away with garry and minty - wherever they are ( it is very believable hehe)
Did they actcally go away or have we just not seen them?
Speak of the devil, Minty is back in tonights epsiode
*-Rooney-*
03-03-2008, 20:18
yeah i nonticed that too, thought it was quite coincidental. lol
I thought they would just drag it out until everyone forgot about the magazine comp lol
OMG theres ben too, wheres he been hiding
CrazyLea
03-03-2008, 20:33
I really love the whole Tanya/Sean partnership thing! This is going to be really good I reckon, the whole downfall of Max! Can't believe Max can't see through it though! I'm looking forward to this :D. Something good in EE again finally :p.
OMG theres ben too, wheres he been hiding
hehe yeah he hasnt been in it in a while and looks like he is gonna become a match maker
I really love the whole Tanya/Sean partnership thing! This is going to be really good I reckon, the whole downfall of Max! Can't believe Max can't see through it though! I'm looking forward to this :D. Something good in EE again finally :p.
Yeah I like it too and its making Tanyas change in character more gradual
I actual like the pairing of Shirley and Phil :thumbsup:
Poor Sean i'm glad Max will get his just rewards
Does Max not realise that he also has a son Bradley and he needs to make things right with him and care about him as well as his kids with Tanya.
I love the friendship between Heather and Shirley :thumbsup:
*-Rooney-*
04-03-2008, 11:53
i know i think he seems to think that his affair with stacey has hurt only one person, - so Bradley must mean nothing to him,
I actual like the pairing of Shirley and Phil :thumbsup:
Ditto, I wasn't sure what Ben would make of her after Cruella de Stella. But he seems to like her.
tammyy2j
04-03-2008, 14:52
I actual like the pairing of Shirley and Phil :thumbsup:
Poor Sean i'm glad Max will get his just rewards
Does Max not realise that he also has a son Bradley and he needs to make things right with him and care about him as well as his kids with Tanya.
I love the friendship between Heather and Shirley :thumbsup:
totally agree i'm really liking Shirley more and more
LostVoodoo
04-03-2008, 18:40
I actual like the pairing of Shirley and Phil :thumbsup:
Ditto, I wasn't sure what Ben would make of her after Cruella de Stella. But he seems to like her.
yeah, i think he likes her though because she's totally what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
and i totally thought Minty and Heather were going to announce that they'd fallen in love and that's why they were staying in the magazine competition :lol:
*-Rooney-*
04-03-2008, 18:42
well they had been gone that long they could have fallen in love lol
Awww Bless little Ben tonight
JustJodi
04-03-2008, 23:24
the more I see of Max the more he makes me sick..I can not stand the sight of him..
I was interupted by a phone call WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED BETWEEN BRAD AND HIS DAD in the Vic ???
Lauren is being mature about the whole split up,, I know Abi loves both her mom and dad,, but she is just way too YOUNG to GET IT,,
It was nice seeing Brad and Mickey interacting.. Clare was so RUDE...
Steven in that dress omg LOL
Steven kissing Stacey was a diaster waiting to happen,
I hope this whole MAX TANYA SEAN thing does not drag on forever,,,
I think Phil and Shirley are cute together,,, wonder what was wrong with Shirley ,, she looked absolutely SICK:sick:
She can't be preggers :rotfl:
Dutchgirl
05-03-2008, 09:33
Really liked Phil and Shirley making paper mash,(correct spelling?) and the music Righteous brothers. Hahaha well funny ( Phil clearly is not Patrick Swayze).
Shirley did look terrible.
*-Rooney-*
05-03-2008, 13:29
yeah i wonder what happened to her she was fine one minute, (did she see something she shouldnt have, ) I wonder - but something def happened
She had bad news with regards to her illness, it is said she has breast cancer
loved Shirley and Phil tonight :cheer: :thumbsup:
poor Shirley i wonder whats wrong :searchme:
Max as usual was an ass
I thought it was a great way to being Shirly back to have a storyline, I wonder what it is though
One thing I have noticed, Tanya is really good at faking it
Lizzie Brookes
07-03-2008, 05:13
I don't thinkl she should do this though - its completely pointless. She has a good job and Sean is mor than capable of work. Two wrongs don't majke a right.
LostVoodoo
07-03-2008, 07:35
I don't thinkl she should do this though - its completely pointless. She has a good job and Sean is mor than capable of work. Two wrongs don't majke a right.
doesn't Max own Booty? or did he buy it and put it in her name?
JustJodi
07-03-2008, 12:41
Hmmmmmm Shirley has some mystry illness... it must have been right after she came out of the bathroom and staggered off down the stairs and home,, I am assuming it was something she has been bothered with and it finally became a bit unbearable ???
Max and his "babe" this "babe" that,, :sick: :sick:
Stacey and Steven WHAT THE HECK happened here,, :wall: How old is Steven supposed to be 16 ?? and Stacey is 18 ( and still a married woman and has had an affair with an old perv and has had quite a few guys ,, not exactly LilBo Peep) Steven is more like a babe in arms compared to Stacey ,, she could eat him alive !!!
Tanya is gonna have things blow up in her face.
Ian had brass balls and finally told Jane,, boy Clare is going to have a hard time going to the Cafe now,, cos Jane is gonna give her loads of grief !!!!!!! Ian did lie,,,, it was not all Clare ..:rolleyes:
Should be interesting to see how things develop with Shirley and Phil.................:hmm:
Ian had brass balls and finally told Jane,, boy Clare is going to have a hard time going to the Cafe now,, cos Jane is gonna give her loads of grief !!!!!!!
That was a classic reply to her text message "I am with my wife".. loved it
Oh Stacey is 20 and Steven in 18 since December... I don't know what is up with that either
Lizzie Brookes
07-03-2008, 16:58
I at first thought they would be better as friends but when I actually saw them kiss I liked it - hurrah for "Staven" pairing. I thought the court said Stacey was 18 - "He had an affair with his eighteen year old neighbour Stacey Slater" - Steven was definitely 18 in December so they are round about the right/same age.
Shirley/Phil - mmm interesting pairing. Shirley's not my cup of tea though but i like her with Phil. I couldn't help laughing when Ian finally told Jane - said it in such a stupid way.
LostVoodoo
07-03-2008, 18:57
I I thought the court said Stacey was 18 - "He had an affair with his eighteen year old neighbour Stacey Slater"
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i remember Stacey saying at Christmas dinner that she was 19. she was probably 18 when she was sleeping with Max though coz the whole thing went on for about a year.
I dont think its that bad between Stacey and Steven, its just the fact that Steven has got really annoying after his great storyline when he came back in
Dutchgirl
09-03-2008, 10:29
Feeling sorry for Heather and Shirley they are great mates. Shirley clearly has a lot on. It is refreshing to see genuine friendship. Heather is such a great addition to the show. EE are playing it quiet right with this. She is not the most attractive person to look at bus she is a good actress, it makes you forget how she looks. Clare is gorgeous but horrible to look at. How skimpy was that golden dress or shall i call it a t-shirt?:D
Dutchgirl
11-03-2008, 10:54
Again I miss some people, patrick, Pat?! and of course Billy's little family.
Clare is going to fall out of her clothes soon.
Poor Shirley i really like her with Phil i think he has meet his match in her
Is there a hint of romance maybe there between Heather and Minty :hmm:
Again I miss some people, patrick, Pat?! and of course Billy's little family.
I know, I think Pat went away though
StarsOfCCTV
11-03-2008, 17:46
What? When did Pat go away? I never noticed :p
What? When did Pat go away? I never noticed :p
I thin it was ages ago remember, before Billy messed up the electric
tammyy2j
11-03-2008, 21:11
Is Max suspicious already of Tanya????
Poor Shirley i hope she tells someone
I love the friendship between Heather and Shirley :thumbsup:
Johnny Allen
11-03-2008, 21:20
That Lucy's a right nightmare teen isn't she? I just love Jane and Christian together they make me laugh. Loving the Tanya stuff cant wait till next weeks episodes.
I like Jane and christian but there storyline at the begining was so unbelievable
brenda1971
13-03-2008, 13:53
I have been watching eastenders and I cant believe that they are going along with the fake wedding. Also I find Clare really annoying what is the point of her being there. And I really want bradley and stacey back together
I have been watching eastenders and I cant believe that they are going along with the fake wedding. Also I find Clare really annoying what is the point of her being there. And I really want bradley and stacey back together
I have a funny feeling Minty and Heather will end up married for real :lol::lol: surely if they win this and Hazel comes back won't they suss they are not the same person???
*-Rooney-*
13-03-2008, 14:28
Im kinda lost with this whole fake wedding thing, I just dont understand it :confused:
And I really want bradley and stacey back together
:D Me too :cheer:
CrazyLea
13-03-2008, 21:56
No way. Bradley deserves so much better than Stacey! :sick:.
Hmm I reckon Minty and Heather will end up falling for each other :p.
Kind of a sub-plot tonight I reckon... with Tanya mentioning Max's est fear!
parkerman
14-03-2008, 08:53
Kind of a sub-plot tonight I reckon... with Tanya mentioning Max's est fear!
Yes, typical Eastenders sledgehammer writing. Not too subtle are they!?
So who won the fight between Phil and Jas????
I'm tired already of Tanya/Sean/Max storyline i think they have changed Tanya's character for the worst
Could they be more than friendhip to Heather and Minty's marriage????
Poor Shirley i hope she tells someone. I think if she knew Peggy had it previous she could confide her maybe. Where is the little blonde dwarf anyways??
*-Rooney-*
14-03-2008, 13:29
i miss bracey, bring bracey back
CrazyLea
14-03-2008, 17:14
Kind of a sub-plot tonight I reckon... with Tanya mentioning Max's est fear!
Yes, typical Eastenders sledgehammer writing. Not too subtle are they!?
True, but for people who haven't read about it (if there are some, seeing as it was in the papers in a not so secret way), but for those who haven't read it, it might not be that obvious. They might not think of what she's going to do?
i miss bracey, bring bracey back
I second that :cheer:
i miss bracey, bring bracey back
I second that :cheer:
:o Who is Bracey? :searchme:
*-Rooney-*
14-03-2008, 17:51
Bradley+Stacey= Bracey
i miss bracey, bring bracey back
I second that :cheer:
:o Who is Bracey? :searchme:
Its Bradley and Stacey
i miss bracey, bring bracey back
I second that :cheer:
:o Who is Bracey? :searchme:
Its Bradley and Stacey
:o :o :o Should have known! Had a busy week, is all I can say as an excuse. :lol:
Nooooooooo Marge is dead.
Whoa £100,000, if I was a woman I'd want to marry max.
Did Sean have anything to do with her rather speedy demise? I so hope not. :eek:
Nooooooooo Marge it dead.
I know !!! :crying: :crying: Why did they kill her off! EE will never be the same :( :thumbsdow
Chris_2k11
16-03-2008, 19:55
Omg Ian's house
Did Sean have anything to do with her rather speedy demise? I so hope not. :eek:
The murderer!!!! He should do time! :mad:
Did Sean have anything to do with her rather speedy demise? I so hope not. :eek:
The murderer!!!! He should do time! :mad:
Did he really do it? :eek: Why? Tanya should put him in the coffin with Max. :angry:
I dont know if he did, but he did seem a bit.....sarcastic
great episode tonight! I love Lucy, she is such a little madamn, I didn't think she could get any worse than how she was with Craig last summer.
Nooooooooo Marge it dead.
I know !!! :crying: :crying: Why did they kill her off! EE will never be the same :( :thumbsdow
Now all we've got is a Lousy Chinchilla called Gilbert.
Lizzie Brookes
16-03-2008, 20:40
Lucy is such a spoiled brat. At least in Steven's casse you can say that when he did those terrible things he was mentally unwell and so didn't have much control over his actions but Lucy is far from being mentally ill. They seem to have reversed roles now. When Steven was ill, Lucy was calm and mature and stood by him and made him see that his actions were wrong. Now Steven seems to be calmer and more adult while Lucy is the rebellious teenager. I know Tanya is naturally siding with her best friend Jane but I can't agree that Steven is still causing trouble - he's not. He wass going to call the police I think but then something happened with the mobile (I didn't quite see) and of course Ian's mobile was turned off. Good thing Steven notified Iasn even though it was more because the police wanted to speak to him. Sean called Steven a "stalker" - f course he was joking but I'm not surprisedSteven was a bit taken aback - after all during his mental illness, Steven did stalk Ian even if Sean and Stacey don't know. I agre with Sean. They don't need Max's money. They can be happy. I'm fed up with both Max and Tanya these days. Sean alone is decent out of the three.
I agre with Sean. They don't need Max's money. They can be happy. I'm fed up with both Max and Tanya these days. Sean alone is decent out of the three.
I must have missed something, are we talking about the Sean that killed his father, who had people beaten up (I know he was wrongly accused of beating up Patrick, but that does not entitle him to order Deano to get a good hiding!:angry: ) and who in general is just a thug when he does not get his own way? :hmm:
I agre with Sean. They don't need Max's money. They can be happy. I'm fed up with both Max and Tanya these days. Sean alone is decent out of the three.
I must have missed something, are we talking about the Sean that killed his father, who had people beaten up (I know he was wrongly accused of beating up Patrick, but that does not entitle him to order Deano to get a good hiding!:angry: ) and who in general is just a thug when he does not get his own way? :hmm:
But Deano did get him back before he left.
Lizzie Brookes
16-03-2008, 20:49
True. I'm not saying Sean didn't do all these things and they were still wrong but I am saying in this particular case, out of Max, Tanya and himself he seems most decent at the moment because 1) he genuinely seems to like Tanya despite his poblems seeing that he told her things he has never told anyone, 2) Tanya is stringing both Max and Sean along but Sean is not doing that to Tanya and 3) Sean doesn't want Max's money, he wants a life with Tanya. Tanya and Max are using each other which is unfair on their children. So in this case Sean alone seems to be acting decently though I agree in other ways yes he is a thug and a bully.
Pinkbanana
16-03-2008, 20:52
Lucy really deserved that slap....:angry: The spoilt, ungrateful little brat.
parkerman
17-03-2008, 09:27
Yes, but Ian did say that he was going to spend time with her when he thought he couldn't go to the Palace any more, then as soon as he found out he could get in he dumped her in favour of the Queen. I have a lot of sympathy with Lucy.
Yes, but Ian did say that he was going to spend time with her when he thought he couldn't go to the Palace any more, then as soon as he found out he could get in he dumped her in favour of the Queen. I have a lot of sympathy with Lucy.
Yes I have a degree of sympathy for Lucy in that regards cause Ian did promise he would forget the queen and spend the time instead with her, which is all she wanted, but how she went about getting revenge/attention/whatever was way over the top and not the right way to go about things.. She totally wrecked his house and really didn't care one bit
parkerman
17-03-2008, 09:34
Yes, but to her way of thinking, Ian showed that he didn't care one bit about her.
Lizzie Brookes
17-03-2008, 09:47
Yes, but Ian did say that he was going to spend time with her when he thought he couldn't go to the Palace any more, then as soon as he found out he could get in he dumped her in favour of the Queen. I have a lot of sympathy with Lucy.
Yes I have a degree of sympathy for Lucy in that regards cause Ian did promise he would forget the queen and spend the time instead with her, which is all she wanted, but how she went about getting revenge/attention/whatever was way over the top and not the right way to go about things.. She totally wrecked his house and really didn't care one bit
I can't excuse Lucy's behaviour at all. She is a selish, self centred, spoiled princess. My dad sometimes promises me things too and usually my dad carries out the promise unless something happens. In that case I am understanding and reasonable - two words Lucy doesn't know the meaning of. Tanya's mistaken. Lucy is trouble, not Steven.
Yes, but to her way of thinking, Ian showed that he didn't care one bit about her.
I noticed that... you seen the look she gave Ian when Peter won the mile.. she just wanted him to notice her and he said to her that she was his princess and nothing is more important than her then Jane shows up saying they can still go and it was a broken promise to Lucy.. with some bull excuse.
But as I said, it doesn't excuse what she did to the house inviting totally strangers to wreak it...
Tanya's mistaken. Lucy is trouble, not Steven.
Here I agree with you and for someone who fully knows how Steven got the gun to shoot Jane, she wasn't showing any brotherly love last night
Maybe Lucy figures that negative attention is better than no attention.
Is she really that starved of attention though?
parkerman
17-03-2008, 10:41
[quote=Siobhan;562990][quote=parkerman;562989]
I can't excuse Lucy's behaviour at all. She is a selish, self centred, spoiled princess. My dad sometimes promises me things too and usually my dad carries out the promise unless something happens. In that case I am understanding and reasonable
But does your dad lie to you the way Ian did to Lucy about why they weren't going to go out on Monday?
Maybe Lucy figures that negative attention is better than no attention.
Is she really that starved of attention though?
Kinda.. look Peter has got his running which Ian took a huge interest in, Steven is Ian's little pet and he has him working with him and what does Lucy have???? She gets zero attention from him.. the only time she gets any attention is when she does something wrong eg Craig, Sindy story and now this.. If she is not getting positive attention, she is going to act out
Maybe Lucy figures that negative attention is better than no attention.
Is she really that starved of attention though?
Kinda.. look Peter has got his running which Ian took a huge interest in, Steven is Ian's little pet and he has him working with him and what does Lucy have???? She gets zero attention from him.. the only time she gets any attention is when she does something wrong eg Craig, Sindy story and now this.. If she is not getting positive attention, she is going to act out
Could she not get positive attention by being nice, polite, helpful like a lot of other 14 year old? Plus I think that she gets plenty of attention from Jane, Peter and Steven and now Christian is there too; no, I think she is a spoilt brat, sorry.
Ruffed_lemur
17-03-2008, 16:25
True. I'm not saying Sean didn't do all these things and they were still wrong but I am saying in this particular case, out of Max, Tanya and himself he seems most decent at the moment because 1) he genuinely seems to like Tanya despite his poblems seeing that he told her things he has never told anyone, 2) Tanya is stringing both Max and Sean along but Sean is not doing that to Tanya and 3) Sean doesn't want Max's money, he wants a life with Tanya. Tanya and Max are using each other which is unfair on their children. So in this case Sean alone seems to be acting decently though I agree in other ways yes he is a thug and a bully.
That's just the way I see it too!
Pinkbanana
17-03-2008, 19:41
Yes, but to her way of thinking, Ian showed that he didn't care one bit about her.
Yeah, people get disappointed and hurt all the time....children, teenagers, adults...thank goodness we dont all act like Lucy....
...to my mind Lucy's behaviour was inexcusable....:mad:
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
BeckyBee
18-03-2008, 08:36
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
In what way?
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
No.. Sean really does love her.. how would you feel if someone you loved promised nothing was going to happen with their ex and then they tell you that they slept with them.. you would be devastated too... He loves her.
*-Rooney-*
18-03-2008, 10:11
I think sean felt sick after finding out tanya had slept with him
tammyy2j
18-03-2008, 12:42
I liked The Vic taking part in St. Paddy's Day festivities especially Minty and Garry irish dancing :lol: :lol:
I'm glad Shirley told Phil she needs help :thumbsup:
I starting to hate Tanya's character now she is becoming annoying and the storyline so tiring
JustJodi
18-03-2008, 13:43
Now is it just me,,, but don't you guys find it odd that Shirley would confess her illness to a MAN..ok granted Phil must have gone thru something with his mum cos she also had breast cancer (correct me if I am wrong ) but still ...shaking my head ...
Heather really has a very very very very abusive mom,, my gawd,, calling her a PIG,, and stuff..I am sorry if you guys think QUEENIE is funny,,, I find her horrible.
Ah ha Shab .........wasn't that guy a looker ??? LOL
Tanya and Sean and Max PLEASE tell me it is coming to an end !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am TIRED of all this.
Jane looked postively stunning all dressed up to meet the Queen,, I felt bad for her.. As for Lucy.... she can stay off our screen a while longer. Ok granted she is tired of not being daddys favorite..but what she did was deplorabale !!!!!!! Actually with the magic of television the house really is cleaning up nicely...
Think Shirley just need to talk to anyone and she gets on well with phil.. I agree with you, I don't find Queenie funny, I find her very abusive to her daughter and I am glad Heather has Shirley to point out her mother's deciet
Sean/Max/Tanya will be over this weekend as far as I know.. should be done by easter
Xx-Vicky-xX
18-03-2008, 14:28
Oh yeah i agree Queenie is horrible they should kill her off asap i havent missed her while she hasnt been around. Heather seemed really amazed that people in Walford have been nice to her, what her mother has done has clearly knocked her confidence and i say as soon as the mother goes the better
Also agree about Max/Tanya rubbish its boring and they need to focus on a new story for a bit
parkerman
18-03-2008, 15:27
Can someone tell me what happens to Oscar during the day? Max is out; Tanya goes off to see Jane. Even when Tanya is at home, Oscar is never around.
Can someone tell me what happens to Oscar during the day? Max is out; Tanya goes off to see Jane. Even when Tanya is at home, Oscar is never around.
Oh there is professional child minders on the EE site to look after all the kids :lol::lol:
Queenie was hilarious - PIG!!!! Had me in stitches for a good five minutes! :rotfl:
Xx-Vicky-xX
18-03-2008, 15:46
Queenie was hilarious - PIG!!!! Had me in stitches for a good five minutes! :rotfl:
Im sorry but i totally disagree, it is a horrible thing to say to anyone never mind your own daughter
Ruffed_lemur
18-03-2008, 16:45
Queenie was hilarious - PIG!!!! Had me in stitches for a good five minutes! :rotfl:
Im sorry but i totally disagree, it is a horrible thing to say to anyone never mind your own daughter
I quite agree. What an awful woman!
JustJodi
18-03-2008, 16:53
Queenie was hilarious - PIG!!!! Had me in stitches for a good five minutes! :rotfl:
sorry Bry I disagree with you, I did not find her funny at all, Heather's mother is a manipulative bully. No child should have to have a parent like Queenie
Ruffed_lemur
18-03-2008, 16:53
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
No.. Sean really does love her.. how would you feel if someone you loved promised nothing was going to happen with their ex and then they tell you that they slept with them.. you would be devastated too... He loves her.
Can see why Sean was devastated. I thought it was pretty shocking too, just for money. Thought Tanya was better than that...
Xx-Vicky-xX
18-03-2008, 17:01
Queenie was hilarious - PIG!!!! Had me in stitches for a good five minutes! :rotfl:
sorry Bry I disagree with you, I did not find her funny at all, Heather's mother is a manipulative bully. No child should have to have a parent like Queenie
Totally agree with you Jodi, she is a horrible woman this is prime example of people judging other people by appearence not personality, Heather is such a lovely person and does not deserve this abuse and no mother should want to treat their child this way its horrible
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
In what way?
Was it just me or tonight was Seans reaction to Tanya sleeping with Max a bit werid?
No.. Sean really does love her.. how would you feel if someone you loved promised nothing was going to happen with their ex and then they tell you that they slept with them.. you would be devastated too... He loves her.
I know, Its probably just cos I havent seen Sean like that before
Dutchgirl
18-03-2008, 18:50
Can someone tell me what happens to Oscar during the day? Max is out; Tanya goes off to see Jane. Even when Tanya is at home, Oscar is never around.
Oh there is professional child minders on the EE site to look after all the kids :lol::lol:
Hahaha, good one. I wonder the same, baby's look after themselves apparently.
StarsOfCCTV
18-03-2008, 18:51
Can someone tell me what happens to Oscar during the day? Max is out; Tanya goes off to see Jane. Even when Tanya is at home, Oscar is never around.
Oh there is professional child minders on the EE site to look after all the kids :lol::lol:
Hahaha, good one. I wonder the same, baby's look after themselves apparently.
How could you forget Dot's looking after them :lol:
Lizzie Brookes
18-03-2008, 20:11
Tanya and Sean Seanya?) are definitely worthy of each other. Sean truly loves her despite his problems and I think she genuinely loves him. Stacey's wrong - I don't think she's using him to get back at Max. I understand Tanya's desperation but I agree with Sean - she's paranoid and not thinking straight and attempted murder isn't really the answer. As Sean said they would have to live with the guilt of what they did. I'm surprised he didn't point out that he spent 3 weeks in prison for a crime he didn't commit and never wants to go back to prison but I suppose he's prepared to risk it for Tanya's sake.
Minty and Heather are good together and Phil and Shirley too. I liked their scenes. How can Jane possibly suspect Steven to have anything to do with Lucy's disappearance? Even when he was messed up he would never have physically hurt his young half sister. He's very close to her. And he's now well again. its been months so Jane should be more relaxed around him and trust him again - I would even if I went through what Jane did.
He should have mentioned what happened with his own dad as well. Okay not the same situations but he feels he was to blame for that and has had to live with that since, like he told Tanya weeks ago.
I'm not so sure that Tanya does love Sean at all. She never says it back when he says it to her, infact she never says how she actually feels about him at all. I think that she knows he is besotted with her and is using him in her plan to rid herself of Max.
I'm enjoying the scenes with Phil and Shirley together. I wonder if they will get together or just form a close friendship. It would certainly raise a few eyebrows if they did get together! Can't see Peggy,Ronnie or Roxy being too pleased, although Ben seems to like her.
I'm not so sure that Tanya does love Sean at all. She never says it back when he says it to her, infact she never says how she actually feels about him at all. I think that she knows he is besotted with her and is using him in her plan to rid herself of Max.
completely agree with the above statement.. she is using him cause she does know he would do anything for her, including murdering max and yes you are right, she never tells him how she feels, just that she doesn't trust anyone
How can Jane possibly suspect Steven to have anything to do with Lucy's disappearance? Even when he was messed up he would never have physically hurt his young half sister. He's very close to her. And he's now well again. its been months so Jane should be more relaxed around him and trust him again - I would even if I went through what Jane did.
I don't think Jane would have thought anything from Steven if Ian and Tanya didn't imply it....
Love Shirley and Phil together, they are a good match for each other. Minty and Heather, saw that coming a mile off
I'm not so sure that Tanya does love Sean at all. She never says it back when he says it to her, infact she never says how she actually feels about him at all. I think that she knows he is besotted with her and is using him in her plan to rid herself of Max.
completely agree with the above statement.. she is using him cause she does know he would do anything for her, including murdering max and yes you are right, she never tells him how she feels, just that she doesn't trust anyone
I totall agree as well, I don't think that Tanya really wants to be involved with anybody, Sean is just an aide for her at the moment.
How can Jane possibly suspect Steven to have anything to do with Lucy's disappearance? Even when he was messed up he would never have physically hurt his young half sister. He's very close to her. And he's now well again. its been months so Jane should be more relaxed around him and trust him again - I would even if I went through what Jane did.
I don't think Jane would have thought anything from Steven if Ian and Tanya didn't imply it....
Love Shirley and Phil together, they are a good match for each other. Minty and Heather, saw that coming a mile off
Steven pretty much tortured her in my opinion, pretending to send messages from her mother, so might have ended up hurting her physically too if events had developed differently. I am not sure that he is close to anyone really and seeing that he was not treated for very long after the shooting incident and not at all after trying to commit suicide, I am also not convinced that he is well again. :hmm:
Lizzie Brookes
19-03-2008, 11:45
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I can't excuse Lucy's behaviour at all. She is a selish, self centred, spoiled princess. My dad sometimes promises me things too and usually my dad carries out the promise unless something happens. In that case I am understanding and reasonable
But does your dad lie to you the way Ian did to Lucy about why they weren't going to go out on Monday?
No. But did Ian lie? I thought he genuinely thought they couldn't go to the palace so genuinely offered to take Lucy out and then Jane messed things up by saying they could go after all. Whether Ian lied or not - I don't think getting the house trashed is the answer.
I'm not so sure that Tanya does love Sean at all. She never says it back when he says it to her, infact she never says how she actually feels about him at all. I think that she knows he is besotted with her and is using him in her plan to rid herself of Max.
I'm enjoying the scenes with Phil and Shirley together. I wonder if they will get together or just form a close friendship. It would certainly raise a few eyebrows if they did get together! Can't see Peggy,Ronnie or Roxy being too pleased, although Ben seems to like her.
I agree i don't think Tanya loves or even likes Sean she is just using him
I'd love to see Phil and Shirley together :thumbsup:
No. But did Ian lie? I thought he genuinely thought they couldn't go to the palace so genuinely offered to take Lucy out and then Jane messed things up by saying they could go after all. Whether Ian lied or not - I don't think getting the house trashed is the answer.
Yes Ian did lie..he told her that she was more important than the queen and then finds out he can still go and gave her some crappy excuse, not known that she over heard him so YES he LIED to her!!!
DaVeyWaVey
21-03-2008, 20:38
Loved that episode! Fantastic acting from all and the ending was just great! May have been an OTT episode, but I thought it was great nonetheless! :D
Lizzie Brookes
21-03-2008, 20:47
Dramatic episode tonight which made for good drama. I think Tanya's quite insane and of course Max is the person we have to blame for that. Still, I do not think this is the answer. Though an unbearable, lying, manipulative, detestable slime, Max is not worth risking jail for and two wrongs don't make a right. Besides you can't drug people and shut them up in coffins however much you hate them - that's just sick and evil. Tanya and Max are as bad as each other and Sean deserves better than being used by Tanya. I couldn't help having a sliver of sympathy with Max when he was sinking to the floor and lying in that coffin. He did ask for it but still - if you are merciful then you are better than that person but if you are not you are just as bad as them.
Sean only went along with it because he loves Tanya but seeing as Sean was unfairly imprisoned for attempted murder by his ex-girlfriend because he dumped her I'm surprised he didn't tell Tanya that this is a bit extreme and he doesn't want to be in prison again anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they both get sleepless nights and feel guilty and wretched and then split up - Max would have split them up from the coffin and a perfectly good relationship would be wasted. I think Stacey suspected something - she definitely knew Sean and Tanya were sneaking round behind Max's back. Tanya should've taken a leaf out of Braley's book. I liked what Bradley said to Max yesterday - that he has to give everyone time, and then giving him the cold shoulder etc. Thats the way to do things. Not resort to this.
Tanya's not thinking - if she nails the lid down he'll suffocate. Although I agree that he deserves to suffer for what he did, this is too much.
DaVeyWaVey
21-03-2008, 20:52
I agree Lizzie. Tanya really isn't thinking straight and it's out of character for her to do something like this to Max, but it still makes amazing viewing anyhow! :D
To be honest, I think Tanya is so dead set on getting revenge that she is starting to fade away from her usual self. When she's determined, I think she can be a rather dominant and powerful woman. This will haunt Tanya though - she will feel guilty about it, as I don't believe she's as cold hearted as to do this and have no regrets afterwards.
Lizzie Brookes
21-03-2008, 20:57
Thanks. Janine may be able to push Barry off a cliff and watch him die without guilt but I doubt Tanya can do that. Also, both Tanya and Sean are destroying themselves and their relationship by this too - they won't be able to enjoy being together again because both will feel guilty. Then they will be scared they will get found out. If Max vanishes, the girls will start asking questions. Jack already hasd his suspicions. Then bradley will start thinking. Stacey will at some point mention that Tanya was still seeing Sean behind Max's back - it'll lead to all kinds of complicattions. know she didn't divorce him out of fear of losing the kids but if she goes to jail for the attempted murder of Max she'll lose custody anyway - what's the point?
IMO, it is so obvious Tanya is just using Sean. Stacey is right.
Chris_2k11
22-03-2008, 00:38
Awful. Its a shame EE have had to resort to OTT stuff like this to create drama. Tanya's character is well on the way to being ruined now.
I don't like her anymore. She more of less forced Lauren, who felt ill and didn't want to go, out of the house, treats Sean like rubbish and doesn't seem to give a fig about the effect it will all have on her kids. I don't like Max at all mind but Tanya is being ruined and all the sympathy she got from Xmas is disappearing.
JustJodi
22-03-2008, 12:11
I was like WOW a bit OVER THE TOP .. EE has done it again( sort of like Janine pushing Barry off the cliff and watching him die )...actually I agree with Lizzie Brooks, now the deed is done neither Tanya nor Sean will enjoy their so called freedom..guilt is going to eat up on both of them. They will NEVER be able to take their relationship public now .
Interesting bit with Ian and Jane and the morgue...
GwennieS
23-03-2008, 11:46
I thought Friday's episode was just silly; if you want to drug someone, you don't put all the pills in a bottle of wine ( which you will be expected to drink off as well ), but in a single glass. Tanya not drinking wine was very unrealistic, Max was right, there was something wrong !!
And when he already came round in the coffin it just became more bizarre. A very dissapointing storyline. How can they ever get away with it, Jack will ask questions, and Abbi saw the fallen over chair in the kitchen + marks on the floor leading to the back door. All very amaturistic.
Of course Sean and Tanya can't ever go public now, and the girls will not accept him anymore either which they would have with a divorce.
parkerman
23-03-2008, 12:09
Good post, Gwennie.
I refrained from making any comment because I am hoping that Tanya has thought up some plausible excuse to explain Max's absence...we'll see...
Ruffed_lemur
23-03-2008, 14:45
Awful. Its a shame EE have had to resort to OTT stuff like this to create drama. Tanya's character is well on the way to being ruined now.
It does look that way, but hopefully something will change. I did laugh when Tanya fell in the grave though, and Sean had to help her out!
Pinkbanana
23-03-2008, 14:55
I thought Friday's episode was just silly.
And when he already came round in the coffin it just became more bizarre. A very dissapointing storyline. How can they ever get away with it, Jack will ask questions, and Abbi saw the fallen over chair in the kitchen + marks on the floor leading to the back door. All very amaturistic.
I have to disagree....I thought it was a good unsettling episode.
Amaturistic - You mean Tanya's attempt at drugging etc... was amateur? Well isn't that the point, Tanya is noooo killer...its the first time she has attempted to do anything like that, and has become slightly unhinged because of Max's control and manipulation??? Therefore she isnt thinking in a rational way...and thought things through.
*-Rooney-*
23-03-2008, 14:55
It would have been better if she had poured herself a glass first then added the drug to the bottle that way, she could happily drink her glass without arousing suspicion from max
Lizzie Brookes
24-03-2008, 21:04
Tonight's episode was fatastic. Better than Friday's. Friday's I admit I felt was a bit OTT but watching Tanya talking today made me feel it wasn't that OTT, especially as Tanya went back. Superb acting from both Jake Wood and Jo Joyner. I can see that Tanya was desperate and not thinking straight. She's not a cold blooded killer - and Tanya has been one of my favourite characters always. She's right - she was sick and Max made her like that. Though I can't condone drugging someone and burying them alive it was good that happened in a way because it finally made Max realise what he did to her. Compulsive liar asnd manipulator though he is I think he was genuinely shocked at what Tanya just did and he just proved that he meant what he said by leaving without the children he loves. Tanya was right when she said that underneath everything Max is just a lost, scared little boy whose father treated him badly which is just pathetic.
Though Max usually does my head in I had sympathy for him tonight when I saw him suffocating in the coffin and then losing the signal after Abi wouldn't let him get a word in. It was good Max had a shock and he deserved some sort of punishment (but not death) for what he did. It's not just the affairs - its the lying, manipulating and all the rest of it. I wish Tanya had not used Sean. I think now Stacey was right - Tanya was attracted to Sean but down deep inside she can only ever love Max. As for Max - I can't condone his despicable actions yet I have some smpathy with him. If he'd only make the effort to go to a private clinic and sort himself out like Steven I might start to respect him. I'm glad Bradley slowly offered to have a drink with him - I suppose Max is still his dad at the end of the day but as Bradley says it takes time.
Chris_2k11
24-03-2008, 21:15
This storyline may have been far fetched and ridiculous but that episode was amazing! The interaction between Max & Tanya tonight was brilliant, every scene was superb. I honestly believe these are two of the best characters introduced to EE in years and the producers need to get them back together ASAP. And after tonights ep I do believe thats whats going to happen a few months down the line. Its too good an on-screen partnership to waste!
CrazyLea
24-03-2008, 21:27
I absolutly agree with you Chris. It's been verrry far fetched and ridiculous but after tonights episode I forgive the writers! Tonights episdoe was amazing!!! Jo and Jake were absolutly brilliant!!!
(I think my dad was secretly watching too ;-) He was "reading a book".. not muchg page turning and too much contact on the tv I reckon ;-) ).
I feel sorry for Lauren and Abi. It will be hard on them. And can't believe they made Bradley agree to go for a drink, just as he was due to leave :crying:.
When does Jake return from paternity leave? I think that's where I read he was???
Jake had about 1-2 months off I think
Really gripping episode tonight. I really felt uncomfortable watching the scenes in the coffin..freaked me out a little:ninja:
I wish Tanya hadn't used Sean. She's been portrayed as a nicer character than that. Sean did nothing to her and he gets used and dumped.
*-Rooney-*
24-03-2008, 21:33
I really enjoyed tonights episode, great scene with the pair of them while tanya explained how his actioned have made her a broken woman, she clearly still loves him very much its just been clouded with the thoughts of revenge for so long.
I agree she should never have used sean but i think she believed she had feelings for him,
Im sure sean will get his own back on Tanya
StarsOfCCTV
24-03-2008, 21:45
I absolutly agree with you Chris. It's been verrry far fetched and ridiculous but after tonights episode I forgive the writers! Tonights episdoe was amazing!!! Jo and Jake were absolutly brilliant!!!
(I think my dad was secretly watching too ;-) He was "reading a book".. not muchg page turning and too much contact on the tv I reckon ;-) ).
I feel sorry for Lauren and Abi. It will be hard on them. And can't believe they made Bradley agree to go for a drink, just as he was due to leave :crying:.
When does Jake return from paternity leave? I think that's where I read he was???
My Dad was on the phone but he was peering through the door :lol:
Totally agree with you aswell Chris. I actually wanted Max to stay. And I never thought that would happen. I hated him last week! The scene's between him and Tanya were so sad, but at least he realised what he'd done to Tanya, although what she did was awful. Who knows what Sean's going to do.
DaVeyWaVey
24-03-2008, 22:48
Tonight's episode was truly exceptional. The acting from Jo Joyner and Jake Wood just blew me away. It was so emotional and you could really feel for the characters. I thought the way Tanya dealt with her guilty conscience then realised what she did was wrong, was shown extremely well and her scene with Max in the woods was truly amazing. Well done Eastenders! Simply superb.
I'm glad she mentioned being unable to pick Oscar up - I had wondered as she never seemed to really bond properly with him. Then, at the end as Max was leaving she was at the window cuddling Oscar, I thought that was a nice touch.
JustJodi
25-03-2008, 08:33
Awful. Its a shame EE have had to resort to OTT stuff like this to create drama. Tanya's character is well on the way to being ruined now.
It does look that way, but hopefully something will change. I did laugh when Tanya fell in the grave though, and Sean had to help her out!
who was it that fell in an open grave not too long ago,, was it Chrissie or Sharon or ?????????????
Xx-Vicky-xX
25-03-2008, 09:39
Awful. Its a shame EE have had to resort to OTT stuff like this to create drama. Tanya's character is well on the way to being ruined now.
It does look that way, but hopefully something will change. I did laugh when Tanya fell in the grave though, and Sean had to help her out!
who was it that fell in an open grave not too long ago,, was it Chrissie or Sharon or ?????????????
It was Chrissie :cheer: :cheer:
Tonight's episode was truly exceptional. The acting from Jo Joyner and Jake Wood just blew me away. It was so emotional and you could really feel for the characters. I thought the way Tanya dealt with her guilty conscience then realised what she did was wrong, was shown extremely well and her scene with Max in the woods was truly amazing. Well done Eastenders! Simply superb.
totally agree... amazing scenes in the woods.. Was I the only one who wanted her to leave max there??? She is very much a broken woman... and I actually felt very sorry for Sean.. can't believe she was so nasty to him.
What a load of tosh the burial episode turned out to be, badly acted and just stupid in my opinion. Instead of being mesmerised by the storyline I was so bored and and even switched channels after Tanya had got Max out of the coffin again, totally unrealistic garbage.
Dutchgirl
25-03-2008, 18:27
I'm glad she mentioned being unable to pick Oscar up - I had wondered as she never seemed to really bond properly with him. Then, at the end as Max was leaving she was at the window cuddling Oscar, I thought that was a nice touch.
My thoughts exactly. I'm glad that Tanya couldn't go through with it.
I'm really starting to dislike Tanya. I get it Max hurt her but that doesn't give her the right to treat every man like crap. She knows the reason he didn't tell her and no one would expect most people to do any different, given the circumstances (him leaving Stacey and what happened with their dad)
Ditto Florijo.. Tanya is just very selfish... she used Sean knowing full well how much he loved her.. I was a bit freaked out with Sean taken Oscar and packing up Tanya's stuff... Smashing her window in not going to help.
:angry::angry: I hate Chelsea.. how selfish is she???
JustJodi
26-03-2008, 09:59
Hmmmmmm ok MOMS out there, please tell me I am not the only one who noticed this...
Why do the soap moms always bounce the babies up and down and say shhhh shhhh shhhh when the baby looks happily content ?? LOL I noticed that last night,, a couple of times Sean had Oscar and the baby was not even crying and the subtitles says OSCAR CRYING.. i am looking at the baby and hes looking around with a content look on his face,, then Tanya comes up and takes the baby and goes shhhh shhh shhh then the cam zooms in on the baby on her shoulder and hes smiling hee hee:lol:
I wanted to kick Tanya big time,, shes being a selfish cow,, ok granted she has gone thru a terrible time with Max,, and Max has now finally left,, so shes being a real real real MEANIE:thumbsdow to Sean,, who did nothing but love her.
Chelsa,, why oh why is she even on our screens, how much longer do we have to put up with her ??????
Roxy and Christian are a hoot together,, love em,, and I LOVE CHRISTIAN,,hes a great addition !!! I was not sure I was going to like him, but now I do...Any one else like him at all ??:searchme:
Xx-Vicky-xX
26-03-2008, 10:36
Oscar was making slight crying noises, it wasnt propper crying he was just wimpering.
Yeah i like Christian, he a Roxy together are great fun, something EE lack so i think it is great both of them are on the show.
Hmmmmmm ok MOMS out there, please tell me I am not the only one who noticed this...
Why do the soap moms always bounce the babies up and down and say shhhh shhhh shhhh when the baby looks happily content ?? LOL I noticed that last night,, a couple of times Sean had Oscar and the baby was not even crying and the subtitles says OSCAR CRYING.. i am looking at the baby and hes looking around with a content look on his face,, then Tanya comes up and takes the baby and goes shhhh shhh shhh then the cam zooms in on the baby on her shoulder and hes smiling hee hee:lol:
For Deaf people is might seem pretty weird but we could hear the crying.. they can't get a baby to act to they just add the sound of a baby crying.. If you look at a lot of other tv programs they do the same.. baby crying sound but baby very happy.. it is just to make you think baby was stressed or upset...
I remember some controversy when the on-screen baby was really crying and was quite distressed. I think it was the baby that Dot found that belonged to the Russian girl?
I remember some controversy when the on-screen baby was really crying and was quite distressed. I think it was the baby that Dot found that belonged to the Russian girl?
Joanne, that was way back in the day with the punk woman mary and her baby.. the baby was removed from the set by the parents as the child was crying and distress all the time.. hence now we have "fake" baby cry
tammyy2j
26-03-2008, 13:09
I actually feel sorry for Max and Sean.
The writers have now ruined Tanya's character like they did to Chrissie (her killing Den)
Johnny Allen
26-03-2008, 23:32
I have to say I must be one of the few that thinks EE has done a great job with the character of Tanya. She's never been a soft touch and the way she schemed both Max and Sean was excellent, never guessed she was using Sean like that. Plus Jo Joyner is a fantastic actress, Tanya's got some tough times ahead now.
Lizzie Brookes
27-03-2008, 06:51
I hate the way Tanya treated Sean. If after Max did the right thing and gave her some space she realised she loved Max she should have told Sean so and apologised, said it couldn't work out and then asked for his friendship. She was the one who moved on to him and she shouldn't have done that unless absolutely sure. Though I want Max and Tanya back together now as they are most suited, it was horrible of her to use Sean just to get back at him. Sean has problems yes but he truly loves Tanya and seemed to be getting onwell with Abi, Lauren and Oscar. People like Sean you have to handle with kid gloves. If she was not comfortable with the idea of him having killed someone she should have said so. He is different around her.
Stacey's right - Sean can be dangerous and its not only unfair, it is also a very stupid idea to use him to hurt Max. I was sorry for Max when he was buried alive and glad Tanya went back. I was shocked and can't condone what she did but after Monday's episode I understand why and Max too knows he made her that way. That is why he left without his beloved daughters. Tanya shouldn't have been angry with Sean for not telling her about Stax. Actually he only found out before the wedding day and that was ionly because he was stupid enough to meddle in things that were not his concern. She may be his sister and he can be protective but he had no right to read her phone messages or spy on her and Max talking and then confront him and her.
If he had not done that, he wouldn't have known or had to keeop it from Tanya and Stacey would not have had anything to blackmail him with. I sympthaised with him until he smashed the window with the brick. That was uncalled for. He was in a tough situation and did what he thought was right. Tanya would not have thanked him for destroying her marriage so she should have been understanding about his not having told her. He is a bit weird since he was willing to stoop to murder for her though it was her idea. I may love my loved one a lot but I would never do that because that's plain wrong. I thought Tanya loved him but Stacey was right - she was using him that's all.
Lizzie Brookes
27-03-2008, 06:55
I actually feel sorry for Max and Sean.
The writers have now ruined Tanya's character like they did to Chrissie (her killing Den)
I don't think the writers completely ruined Tanya since she came back and let Max out but I agree about Max and Sean - neither of them deserved to be treated like that. Both have problems and need help and both love Tanya - Sean perhaps more. After all Sean did back off when Tanya told him to before.
Tanya has gone from hero to villian :thumbsdow
I do feel sorry for Max, Sean and the kids including Bradley.
Tanya has gone from hero to villian :thumbsdow
I do feel sorry for Max, Sean and the kids including Bradley.
I feel especially sorry for Bradley.. Max knew he was going until Tanya said to come back and yet he let Bradley believe that he was going to be around for that drink.. he could have told Bradley that he is leaving and won't be back for a while so it doesn't look like he is running out on him again
Lizzie Brookes
27-03-2008, 13:20
At the moment Max's first prioirity is to do what's besrt for Tanya but i wish he had told Bradley that. Bradley would have understood.
Lizzie Brookes
27-03-2008, 13:22
Tanya has gone from hero to villian :thumbsdow
I do feel sorry for Max, Sean and the kids including Bradley.
Yes, he's Bradley's dad too. Bradlety would have beenshocked if he had known that he was only babysitting his half sisters and half brother to give Tanya the chance to attempt to kill his father.
The sad part about this all is I think if Tanya just told max what she did in the woods before she tried to kill him, he would have taken the step back.. she said herself, she needed time to heal and he was in her face all the time.. this could have been resolved ages ago
*-Rooney-*
27-03-2008, 19:16
I think the fact that she actually went through with it and left him there for hours, shocked him and made him realise exactly what he has done to tanya. If she had said all that before all that happened i dont think it would have made any impact on max. She really scared him and thats why i think he has chosen to give her time alone to heal because he didnt realise exactly how much he had hurt her
Well EE have suceeded in ruining another character imo, Tanya. Lying to the kids, saying Max has left them, treating Sean so vile. Cannot stand her anymore. Actress is brilliant though.
tammyy2j
28-03-2008, 15:14
Was Roxy after Sean last night he was "hero" after all???????
I really can't stand Chelesa
Was Roxy after Sean last night he was "hero" after all???????
I really can't stand Chelesa
Not sure.. looks like Roxy was thinking about it.. Totally agree about Chelsea..
CrazyLea
28-03-2008, 17:02
In my TV guide it says that Roxy admits to liking Sean... so I guess so. Grrr wish Roxy would just disappear! And Ronnie!!
megan999
28-03-2008, 19:06
I wonder what Sean is going to do with the drugs, maybe he'll get Tanya in trouble with social services (and she'll lose the kids) - remember when Max told social services when Rainie was there, maybe that's how Sean will get his revenge. :hmm:
Is Sean going to sell the drugs or take them himself???????
Chelesa is an annoying cow i'm glad that guy went after Shabham.
I think Roxy needed a man and it was her 30 and she is single so even Sean would do and he was her "Hero"
I really not liking Tanya now
I think the Ian/Lucy storyline has gone for too long either bring her back or kill her off please
StarsOfCCTV
28-03-2008, 20:33
So to get Sean you have to....punch him? :lol: (Or was I not paying attention again :p )
Pats leaving....meh...she always annoyed me :p No real loss :p
Has Chelsea really changed that much since coming out of prison? Libby implied that stealing the voucher to buy a dress for herself was indicative of a new selfish trait. As far as I can remember Chelsea has always been a horrible, selfish person. I'm sure she would have done the same thing this time last year had the situation arisen.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
28-03-2008, 21:55
So to get Sean you have to....punch him? :lol: (Or was I not paying attention again :p )
Pats leaving....meh...she always annoyed me :p No real loss :p
Lmao that's what I thought about Sean and then it left me quite confused.
Pat leaving, yeah I don't think much of her as a character but she has been there a long time so it would make quite an impact upon some people.
I think Jack is soo sweet as a family guy but not in the 'lurvee' department, the cake thought was really nice :)
CrazyLea
28-03-2008, 22:25
That whole Roxy/Sean thing was stupid. It really annoyed me!
I agree with you Spicy.. I like Jack as a family guy.. but just don't like him with Ronnie... He needs to find someone else... then maybe I'll like him more :p. He is hot though... haircut??
I still rather like Tanya's character to be honest. Yeah she's becoming meanish, but I think she means well.. in a weird, twisted way. I really hope Sean leaves her alone. I like Sean, but, I want Tanya to try and get on.. if not for her, then for Lauren, Abi and Oscar! :(.
As for Chelsea I agree with you Joanne. She really hasn't changed. She would have done that before.
Oh and what was the point in the whole power cut thing Sean did? Was it about drugs?? Still stupid either way. And where did he get that JCB looking thing from? :s.. Did I miss that bit???
Oh and what was the point in the whole power cut thing Sean did? Was it about drugs?? Still stupid either way. And where did he get that JCB looking thing from? :s.. Did I miss that bit???
There's a development going on - is it new flats or something? Bradley's got a job there. I presume the JCB was there for that reason. I agree, it was a bit silly though.
parkerman
29-03-2008, 09:22
No, I don't think she is.
Sean chopped through the cable to cause a blackout at Tanya's. The fact it caused a Square wide cut was only a by-product.
No, I don't think she is.
Sean chopped through the cable to cause a blackout at Tanya's. The fact it caused a Square wide cut was only a by-product.
I thought something like that would be have been well publicised after the number of years she's been in EE
plus with the arrival of Bianca, I was sure I'd seen her name mentioned but then wondered if I'd got it wrong
No, I don't think she is.
Sean chopped through the cable to cause a blackout at Tanya's. The fact it caused a Square wide cut was only a by-product.
I thought something like that would be have been well publicised after the number of years she's been in EE
plus with the arrival of Bianca, I was sure I'd seen her name mentioned but then wondered if I'd got it wrong
Her saying she is leaving for spain is just the lead up to frank's funeral as far as I know
Xx-Vicky-xX
29-03-2008, 22:28
No, I don't think she is.
Sean chopped through the cable to cause a blackout at Tanya's. The fact it caused a Square wide cut was only a by-product.
I thought something like that would be have been well publicised after the number of years she's been in EE
plus with the arrival of Bianca, I was sure I'd seen her name mentioned but then wondered if I'd got it wrong
Her saying she is leaving for spain is just the lead up to frank's funeral as far as I know
Yeah i think you are right about that Shiv, that was the first thing that came into my head when it was said anyway and i havent heard any different.
Dutchgirl
30-03-2008, 09:00
I hope she doesn't leave. She is part of the decoration isn't she.
I really warmed to Christian, he is very respectful and sensitive.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
31-03-2008, 17:36
I agree with you Spicy.. I like Jack as a family guy.. but just don't like him with Ronnie... He needs to find someone else... then maybe I'll like him more :p. He is hot though... haircut??
Hot, I think he's on fire :lol: In one way it's like 'oh just get together with Ronnie' but then you remember what he done and it's like 'oh you silly fool now look at you!' :searchme:
Lizzie Brookes
31-03-2008, 20:36
I loved today's EastEnders - especially the civil partnership. I didn't really agree with Pat's advice though. I agreed in so much as tto tell the other man the truth but i didn't think he should risk throwing a relationship away and marriage is about compromise. I thought that other man was right to give him time and say that he cannot force his partner to marry him but I agreed he should be honest with him and say no matter what he would love him. I'm so glad they married in the end. I liked it better than the usual straight weddings actually. Libby hada good point whenshe said those things but Chelsea's right in saying not all men are like Owen. Owen was a real "problem guy" and I suppose since Libby got the address she might as well try - so long as she takes certain precautions it should be all right but generally it is best to be wary of strangers.
CrazyLea
31-03-2008, 20:43
I found the episode rubbish. Didn't care about the civil partnership, so don't see why we saw lots of that. It was pointless in my opinion. Best and only good part of the episode was Pat and Peggy laughing about the name Cedric :p. That made me laugh.
*-Rooney-*
31-03-2008, 20:52
yeah the civil partnership bored me too, although i did laugh during the wedding when peggy kept talking about spain and didnt even notice the guy leaving lol
Chris_2k11
31-03-2008, 21:34
tonights was absolute tosh imo, hope to see an improvement tomorrow. its all about Janine for me now! :bow:
Apart from the last minute or so when Diane and Ricky turned up I thought tonights episode was pretty rubbish too. Peggy and Pat are fantastic together but this was quite farcical, although I did like it when Peggy was going through various names to see who Pat's fella in Spain is.
Couldn't care less about Chelsea as a character and so the storyline re her and her dad doesn't interest me at all.
parkerman
01-04-2008, 09:34
How did Libby track down Chelsea's father so quickly from just having his name? She ought to get a job with the Salvation Army. It takes them years sometimes to track down "lost" mothers, fathers and children.
Lizzie Brookes
01-04-2008, 09:38
How did Libby track down Chelsea's father so quickly from just having his name? She ought to get a job with the Salvation Army. It takes them years sometimes to track down "lost" mothers, fathers and children.
Well - it is a soap and sometimes even a 14 year old can do things better than the entire useless walford police force.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-04-2008, 11:39
I think that episode was a waste of time, hello it is suppose to be Frank week and the last 2 maybe 3 minuites was really all there was to do with Frank - sure the Pat/Peggy stuff was sort of a lead up to that but what was with that civil partnership crap who cares if they get married or not we don't even know them so why did we need about 20 mins watching to see if they would get married. Though there were a couple of funny bits in the episode from Pat and Peggy so that kind of put some use to the episode.
Must say though i am glad Ricky is back even if it wasnt for long.
tammyy2j
01-04-2008, 13:13
I liked Peggy and Pat scenes last night.
Chelesa and Libby really bore me
*-Rooney-*
01-04-2008, 13:16
why exactly did they leave chelsea and libby behind?
why exactly did they leave chelsea and libby behind?
to torture the viewers....
Dutchgirl
01-04-2008, 14:02
why exactly did they leave chelsea and libby behind?
to torture the viewers....
Hahaha, funny! Well Chelsea and Clare found their evil twin sister in each other.
I love the banter between Pat and Pegy. They always crack me up.:lol:
*-Rooney-*
01-04-2008, 14:36
when exactly did chelsea and clare go from rivals to friends
Lizzie Brookes
01-04-2008, 20:52
I liked today's episode. Pat shouldn't have said that to Peggy though. It was tactless. Though I agree that Frank was a sore loser and a complete idiot and did some pretty nasty things, I think he and Pat had something special. Pat always loved him judging from the photo of him she kept in her bedroom and she did know him longest. I suppose that a tiny part of him whioch was not too busy loving himself did love her too. I was a bit sorry for him when he asked for Janine and was told she left. Ian and Billy were quite polite to Janine today and Janine did not have time to manipulate anyone.
Looks like Ricky forgave her - I suppose she is his sister after all - the last I remember he disowned her because he was shocked that she watched Barry die. I want to believe she loved her dad because I don't think she's cold blooded. Even that policeman worked out that she only pushed Barry away and did not intend to kill him though she did cruelly watch him die. Charlie's a great actress - I would like to see her return permanently. I was sorry Bianca got thrown out but preferred her with longer hair.
I think Janine was genuine. I would love to see her back but she would have to fit in to todays EE and that might be difficult. I know Ricky will be there but, after everything and what people thought of her, i don't know how she could stay more long term.
Johnny Allen
01-04-2008, 22:03
I think Janine was genuine. I would love to see her back but she would have to fit in to todays EE and that might be difficult. I know Ricky will be there but, after everything and what people thought of her, i don't know how she could stay more long term.
It would be fab if she could stay Charlie Brooks said she missed EE. And Janine's a great character. Is it me or is the actress that plays Ricky's finacee as annoying and ditzy as she was in My Family? It will be good to have RICCKKKAYYY back and Bianca, is Diane staying too?
Liked tonights episode, classic Peggy 'You stupid fat old tart' and you got to love it when those two fight. Liked the old footage too.
StarsOfCCTV
01-04-2008, 22:14
That episode was ok...I just feel the scriptwriting let it down a bit. Pat and Peggy's conversation dragged on a bit...the slaps were funny though :p
A nice tribute to the actor though :)
Obviously Janine hasn't had any contact with Ricky or Diane for a long time. She asked Diane if she was still living in France and didn't know about her partner that she's been with for 3 years!
I think Pat and Frank were true soulmates. She genuinely had feelings for Roy and I think Frank did for Peggy too, but Pat and Frank were special together. Peggy knows that too and that's what really hurts her.
I'm really looking forward to Bianca and her brood turning up on the Square. I loved the character first time round and tonight she showed she's just as feisty as ever!
I love the idea of Bianca being back with her brood. Ricky not so much but EE is better now than it was when he last returned and he was lost as a character without Bianca really. Also gives Pat some real family again.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-04-2008, 23:22
Good touch with the flash backs....didnt think much of the voice at the end but i was aware that happened because i watched a clip on the EE site
I thought it was a nice episode though...love Diane, would love her to stay but i dont think she will be
Pat & Peggy are funny when they fight...especially about Frank
What a great episode. I laughed, I cried and I cringed.. it was amazing... peggy and pat fight was brilliant.. laughed so hard..
Kinda guess that the bow tie was in the box (I was hoping anyway) and cringed seen the spinning bow tie scene again.. Loved the flash backs
cried at the end.. Peggy and Pat supporting one another, it was really sweet... Well done EE very fitting tribute to Mike Reid (RIP)
tammyy2j
02-04-2008, 10:00
I really enjoyed last night's episode.
Poor Pat, Frank was her great love and she was his and this is why Peggy was jealous i was so glad she was there in the end for Pat.
It nice seeing Ricky, Diane and Janine back.
Who know Diane was a lesiban??? Didn't she date Mark Fowler in the early days???
Take note Eastenders if they want a bitch/villian character bring back Janine not Claire.
Well Bianca' s back i must admit i was against it when i heard her and Ricky were returning but when i saw her and her kids i completely freaked out in a good way.
BTW does anyone else think Ricky is HOT? I never noticed before?
Diane dated Mark Fowler for a while but she rejected his proposal and left to live in France. I don't think that she has been a lesbian in EE before now.
Lizzie Brookes
02-04-2008, 14:09
I think Pat and Frank were true soulmates. She genuinely had feelings for Roy and I think Frank did for Peggy too, but Pat and Frank were special together. Peggy knows that too and that's what really hurts her.
I think that's true. Of course Pat was very tactless to say so to Peggy but yes I think Pat and Frank belong together or at least did as now he's dead. From that vague hint they let drop about him thinking it was only a headache, I'm guessing he died from a brain tumour.
Lizzie Brookes
02-04-2008, 14:10
the actress playing Ricky's new girlfriend - I'm not certain but wasn't she in My Family?
the actress playing Ricky's new girlfriend - I'm not certain but wasn't she in My Family?
yeah she was.. I am not liking her in this
Xx-Vicky-xX
02-04-2008, 14:12
the actress playing Ricky's new girlfriend - I'm not certain but wasn't she in My Family?
Yeah she was she played Abi :thumbsup:
Lizzie Brookes
02-04-2008, 14:12
Thanks Sean. No I don't like her in EastEnders either but she was good in My Family.
Lizzie Brookes
02-04-2008, 14:13
the actress playing Ricky's new girlfriend - I'm not certain but wasn't she in My Family?
Yeah she was she played Abi :thumbsup:
Oh yes Abi. I forgot her name. Roger's girlfriend.
the actress playing Ricky's new girlfriend - I'm not certain but wasn't she in My Family?
Yes, she played Abi Harper in My Family.
Dutchgirl
02-04-2008, 17:27
I loved the episode. Remind me of the cat fights between Alexis an Krystle ( Dynasty, for the youngest amongst us).
Brilliant!
Janine was good friends with Billy and they reacteed accrdingly.
Bring her back an please do not ruin the character.
JustJodi
03-04-2008, 11:39
What a great send off for Frank...For Pat she had more memories of Frank than Peggy did..And I thought it was a sweet touch giving her that bow tie,, I mean if Peggy was the love of Franks life, I would have thought he would have LEFT her a lil something,, but guess we all know now that PAT was the love of FRANKS life good bad or ugly ( as pat said it was not all a bowl of cherries)
It was neat seeing Diane ( I heard about her before this was the first time I actually saw her) Ricky and janine..so now i know what bianca looks like,, ooooh Rickayyyyyyyyyy wants to kill her for now showing up,, tsk tsk...
I thought it was a good episode really...:thumbsup:
I loved the episode. Remind me of the cat fights between Alexis an Krystle ( Dynasty, for the youngest amongst us).
Brilliant!
Janine was good friends with Billy and they reacteed accrdingly.
Bring her back an please do not ruin the character.
I was thinking that about Janine and Billy.. I forgot how good friends they were... It was nice of Pat to say that she didn't feel she was burdened by Janine
JustJodi
03-04-2008, 14:26
I presume this evening we will see a bit more of Ms Bianca?? they are really building up the Jackson5 on the BBC adverts..lets hope we are not all let down by this big build up...........Janine is only supposed to be on 4 episodes??? Would be nice to have her back !!!!!!!! we need an uber baitch Clare does not have any thing on Janine..:rolleyes:
Did any one notice that Janine is looking rather GOOD... no more PUDGY janine...:eek:
They have got to bring Janine back. She totally rocks.
Love Bianca and the kids too. Am really enjoying seeing her and Janine back. :D
Dutchgirl
03-04-2008, 20:04
Did any one notice that Janine is looking rather GOOD... no more PUDGY janine...:eek:
She has a grown up face now I agree. And she does look good. Über bitch, haha very good!!!:lol:
Ah finally Don Gilet, he is very fine indeed.
Felt sorry for Bianca what a mess. Never saw her, I only started watching since 2000.
CrazyLea
03-04-2008, 20:06
Who's Don Gilet? Is it Chelsea's father? 'Cause he was rather yummy.
Bianca is soooo annoying. With that annoying whiny voice, and general whiney...ness.
Dutchgirl
03-04-2008, 20:11
Who's Don Gilet? Is it Chelsea's father? 'Cause he was rather yummy.
Bianca is soooo annoying. With that annoying whiny voice, and general whiney...ness.
Yes he is. He was in 55 Degrees North as well, good series.
Lizzie Brookes
03-04-2008, 20:28
Janine looks nice now - better with black hair. I didn't have a problem with Celsea's father as such - seemed a pleasant enough chap. I'm glad Bianca's back - I like her. Seemed a good episode overall.
JustJodi
03-04-2008, 21:14
was a good episode,, did any one notice how much Janine favours Pat's mannerisms when she gets all P.O'ed..
Here is a bit about Don Gilet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/don_gilet.shtml
I know I have seen him in other things too..hes a nice looking guy...
Bianca needs to swallow her damn pride and call RICKAYYYYYYYYY..
DutchGirl I am with u on this I have never seen Bianca before either, I didn't start watching EE until end of 2001 ( when I arrived to holland )
Looking forward to more of Bianca and her motley crue:cool:
Don Gilet is quite good looking, I have seen him in 55 degrees north and liked him in that too. I hope he stays around in EE for a while.
Last nights episode was fantastic.. it was like I was watching EE in the past.. Bianca hasn't changed and I felt so sorry for her and especially her kids sleeping in a bus shelter... swallow your pride girlie and call Ricky.
Janine was as ever brilliant.. still the same.. falling for the stuff Pat had said and then wriggling out of it saying she over heard ricky and his girlfriend talking about it... then she goes off on a typical Janine rant.. perfection as usual from Charlie brookes.. Please please let her come back and she will sort out Clare, chelsea and give Stacey a run for her money...
10/10 EE
What storylines could they give her now though? I want her back but not as a watered down version or anything. She can only have so many slanging matches with Pat and co.
parkerman
04-04-2008, 09:50
Perhaps they could get her back just long enough to deal with Chelsea! :thumbsup:
What storylines could they give her now though? I want her back but not as a watered down version or anything. She can only have so many slanging matches with Pat and co.
Now she has Ronnie/roxy/chelsea/stacey/clare.. there is limited people who she can manipulate and abuse...
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