Current Episode Discussion VI

[instinct]

I also felt sorry for Sean, I know he wanted to reveal the secret to get Tanya but he does genuinley care for Stacey and was also trying to protect her.

But the rest of his family and others just thought he was being evil because he was a miserable git.

Good episode for Sean showed more to his character.

[Abbie]

Lol Im guessing in soapland this tape was able to record hours and hours, cos My tapes only record an hour, we've had some that do Five before

[Joanne]

I feel really sorry for Jean too. Sean is just so persistently horrible to her but she never takes offence and is always really nice to him. Nice touch in the Church when her reading came good in the end.

[tindie]

Great 1 hour ep
i was on the edge of my seat,
All the way few,

I Think was good idea it did't come out the wedding,
When they do find out, it not going to be big, it's going be HUGE!


i think they want to make this HUGE like Shrongate
Grant find out 2 years after didn't he?
hell broken lose then i think They want the same affect.

That what i think anyway

[tammyy2j]

Big disappointment i expected it to be better :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[Florijo]

Yes, it is very much a ticking timebomb like Sharongate and the tape.

Sad thing for Stacey is that she made her choice but its still all on camera.

[Ruffed_lemur]

Really excellent episode last night!

[DaVeyWaVey]

I've missed all this week because of being on holiday (and missed past few weeks too) I dip in and out of EE usually..but did the affair actually come out in last night's episode? I was expecting Tanya, Bradley and everyone to find out at the church. :confused:

I might watch tonight, or just catch it on Sunday.

[Chris_2k11]

2012 - The Stacey/Max affair continues.. :D

[Abbie]

2012 - The Stacey/Max affair continues.. :D

lol


I really liked tonights episode, and Im really likeing sean at the moment which is werid

[CrazyLea]

Yeah I quite enjoyed tonights.. well I say tonights, I didn't go too much on the poker bit - sooo predictable! But I enjoyed the rest, particularly the Sean stuff. Spesh the end with Jean.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

It was predictable with the poker game but it was still tense watching it hoping Ronnie would win (not that i wanted Jack to lose but i wanted to see Ronnie win it for Peggy really)

You just know Shaun wants to tell someone about Max & Stacey but then he remembers he loves his sister and decides not to

[Abbie]

By the way I missed it when Jack came in, how is he related?

[CrazyLea]

He's Max's brother.......................

[Abbie]

He's Max's brother.......................

Thanks, I thought so, the way they acted at the beginning of the wedding, but I wasnt too sure

[StarsOfCCTV]

I thought Ronnie was going to lose! Roxy's face every time she put money down! :lol: Great episode :D I am also strangely liking Sean at the moment..

[Chris_2k11]

Brilliant acting from Rob Kaninsky at the end, he's turning into a great character

[instinct]

Brilliant acting from Rob Kaninsky at the end, he's turning into a great character

I know, exactly what I was going to say, EE are showing more of him and building his character with energy and using a lot of dramatic scenes.

EE are doing things a lot better recently.

[parkerman]

Why has Jim never mentioned Jack?

[JustJodi]

Parkerman he has mentioned him, when he asked Max hows the old man,, Max was like oh hes ok, then at the Vic he finds out from Tanya that Jim has had a stroke and Jack turns on Max,, he also has talked to Dot about him ,so hes "talking about him" sorta,,,

[parkerman]

No, I said why has Jim never mentioned Jack, not why has Jack never mentioned Jim.

[Pinkbanana]

No, I said why has Jim never mentioned Jack, not why has Jack never mentioned Jim.


Long lost relatives are always popping up in soaps (not just EE). Its a quick way of establishing them.

[Joanne]

Do we know how much money Ronnie won last night in the end?

[Abbie]

I dunno, didnt she wnat to win 4 grand or something?

[alan45]

WSell after another few months I decided to dip into EE to see the much vaunted Wedding episode. How TF this apology of a soap won the NTAs is beyond me.

[Pinkbanana]

WSell after another few months I decided to dip into EE to see the much vaunted Wedding episode. How TF this apology of a soap won the NTAs is beyond me.

Yeah, but the award was for most popular soap. I sense Al, that you dont like EE that much ( :lol:) but the award wasnt to do with the quality, but the popularity! :)

[alan45]

WSell after another few months I decided to dip into EE to see the much vaunted Wedding episode. How TF this apology of a soap won the NTAs is beyond me.

Yeah, but the award was for most popular soap. I sense Al, that you dont like EE that much ( :lol:) but the award wasnt to do with the quality, but the popularity! :) But according to Broadcast its only the second most popular Soap behid Corrie

From Broadcast

An hour-long EastEnders wedding special drew 10m viewers (43.4%) to BBC1 last night, fending off the challenge from ITV1's Emmerdale.

The special 60 minute edition of the corporation's soap – featuring the wedding of Stacey Slater and Bradley Branning - saw its audience build from an initial 8.5m (37.6%) at the 7.30pm start to a high of 10.9m (47.5%) at 8pm.

The audience for BBC1's flagship soap was comfortably above the channel's slot average of 6.3m (36.7%).

EastEnders has, so far this year, averaged 8.4m (39.6%), making it the second most popular show on TV behind ITV1's Coronation Street.:confused: :confused:

[Pinkbanana]

WSell after another few months I decided to dip into EE to see the much vaunted Wedding episode. How TF this apology of a soap won the NTAs is beyond me.

Yeah, but the award was for most popular soap. I sense Al, that you dont like EE that much ( :lol:) but the award wasnt to do with the quality, but the popularity! :) But according to Broadcast its only the second most popular Soap behid Corrie

From Broadcast

An hour-long EastEnders wedding special drew 10m viewers (43.4%) to BBC1 last night, fending off the challenge from ITV1's Emmerdale.

The special 60 minute edition of the corporation's soap – featuring the wedding of Stacey Slater and Bradley Branning - saw its audience build from an initial 8.5m (37.6%) at the 7.30pm start to a high of 10.9m (47.5%) at 8pm.

The audience for BBC1's flagship soap was comfortably above the channel's slot average of 6.3m (36.7%).

EastEnders has, so far this year, averaged 8.4m (39.6%), making it the second most popular show on TV behind ITV1's Coronation Street.:confused: :confused:


Im talking about the most popular at the AWARDS....ie, why it won most POPULAR soap - yep I know that doesnt add up when you look at the rates. Sooooooo obviously EE fans are more proactive when it comes to voting. :)

I was just answering your point as to how EE won over Corrie - I was trying too convey across (probably badly) that it wasnt anything to do with quality, but popularity, ie the fans voted for their favourite.

Though on a sidenote, apart from the crap wedding this week, me thinks EE is really much improved...:cheer:

[Chris_2k11]

WSell after another few months I decided to dip into EE to see the much vaunted Wedding episode. How TF this apology of a soap won the NTAs is beyond me.:rotfl: I agree the wedding was nothing special :nono:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Watching the omnibus again - it made me wonder why Sean followed Max out of the pub on Tuesday and how he knew enough to suspect Max to be Stacey's married man.

[Abbie]

Okay, Im likeing Sean evenmore now, bless him for trying even though he didnt wnat to

[LostVoodoo]

what was up with him taking his mother's tranquilisers?!

[JustJodi]

Guess he figured if he konked out he wouldn't have to have a conversation with her ?? Something WENT VERY WRONG with those two. I was sort of hoping MAYBE it would come out. I thought Jean was sweet about getting him dinner.

I was soooooo ticked off with Mo selling all of Stacey and Bradleys wedding prezzies,,, and she UNWRAPPED THEM for heavens sake,, I honestly love to hate her some times !!!!!!!!

Roxy takes the cake, a new car and a puppy,, :wall:

Jase is gonna hafta come clean with Jay now,,, did any one see a normal boy when Terry was talking to Jay ??? Not the angry hoodie we know ..

Dawn was acting SOOOOO DESPERATE.......

Does any one wanna bet Jack goes and buys the club out from under Ronnie ????????????????????????

[callummc]

well after missing last weeks i decided to watch on sunday cos most people were saying how good it was but alan your right it wasn't that good,like a bit of a re write of andy hunters wedding a few years ago but not as watchable and tonights i've just watched on bbc3 and bar wishing sean would overdose i was very disapointed

[Abbie]

what was up with him taking his mother's tranquilisers?!

Lol, I think it was to get him through the stress of being with her

[tammyy2j]

It was nice to see the scenes with Sean and Jean it showed a nicer side to Sean. Jack/Ronnie remind me so much of Steve/Mel. So Charlie is 66 then how old is Mo and she is suppose to Charlie's mother in law

[parkerman]

What do Jase use to go and pick up timber from the Lea Valley?

[Joanne]

What's wrong with Ian? Can he really be that insensitive that he would just leave Jane on her own and work at the cafe? I don't know if it's guilt or if he just can't handle being around her because he doesn't know how to handle what's happened to her. I know he said about working 24/7 to keep Steven in the clinic but the cafe would have stayed opened regardless of whether he was there or not.

More annoying scenes with the Mitchell sisters tonight as well. How many times must we hear references to Ronnie's cleavage - it's been an obsession ever since she arrived. Let's face it she's hardly Jordan or Kelly Brooke in that department is she?

[Florijo]

I'm getting fed up of Ronnie and Roxy. I wanted to see more of Jean/Sean. Why the need for all the pointless scenes about the new car?

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm so glad Steven appeared at the end. I'm sorry for Jane. I think Ian just finds it awkward to be around her right now. Good scenes with Sean/Jean.

[Joanne]

I'm getting fed up of Ronnie and Roxy. I wanted to see more of Jean/Sean. Why the need for all the pointless scenes about the new car?


I'd like to see an episode just featuring Sean and Jean so that we can find out their history with no distractions.

[Chris_2k11]

wtf was with Roxy driving round and round the square in the new car? i think their trying to make her the "comedy sister" of the two and its not working.

[parkerman]

Presumably the point of highlighting the car so much was because Roxy spent £5000 on it and the estate agent told Ronnie that if she came up with another £5000 the club would be hers.

[Siobhan]

wtf was with Roxy driving round and round the square in the new car? i think their trying to make her the "comedy sister" of the two and its not working.

No, I don't think it is for comic purpose.. it is that I don't give a damn about anything and it is all me me me attitude... we have seen it in her before when peggy said she can't give them the money for the club cause she was in debt and Roxy was totally selfish... Roxy doesn't think about the future and the whole thing with the car was just showing her very selfish side.

What does the police want with Sean????

[tammyy2j]

Poor Ronnie lost the club i wonder who the knew owner is? Liked the Sean/Jean scenes they needed more of this. Ian was being horrible to Jane it was nice to see Steven at the end

[Siobhan]

Poor Ronnie lost the club i wonder who the knew owner is? Liked the Sean/Jean scenes they needed more of this. Ian was being horrible to Jane it was nice to see Steven at the end


The new owner is Jack. can't wait to see Ronnie's face

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Poor Ronnie lost the club i wonder who the knew owner is? Liked the Sean/Jean scenes they needed more of this. Ian was being horrible to Jane it was nice to see Steven at the end


The new owner is Jack. can't wait to see Ronnie's face

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, that should be good

[Lizzie Brookes]

Brilliant episode. Nice chemistry between Jack and Ronnie and his offer was reasonable enough though it was still bad of him to betray her like that. It was nice of Jean to protect Sean from the police. Sean must have been crazy to ask Tanya to run away with him. I loved the scenes betweenPat and Steven at the clinic - playing cards and everything. I think she understands he wasn''t well. I can't blame Ian for pretending Jane had a burst appendix because it is a disgraceful thing to tell people - that your crazy stepson accidentally shot your wife. My mum thinks he still has some loyalty to Steven sdespite his anger and I agree. Also it sn't nice for everyone to gossip about things like that - it is private. But I think Ian should forget about imprisoning Steven in that clinic and spend less time working and more time with Jane. That man was right - it is totally unethical though I understand ian is not thinking straight. Ian will exhaust himself from overwork, it is unethical to keep Steven in that clinic permanently and it is unfair on Jane that he is always working so Ian needs to sort out his priorities. Billy has a point. He has lost the plot a bit. I think Pat should tell Steven what happened to Jane - he has a right to know and I'm glad she asked him to stay. He acted just like a scared, lost little boy. I think partly the reason he holds much back from the ounselling sessions is because he doesn't want to betray Lucy. They would ask where he got the gun and he doesn't want to say Lucy gave it him but I think Lucy should tell Ian and Jane as they think Steven ha the gun all along and planned to use it against Ian but he didn't even have a gun or think of having it until Lucy gave it him. Im sorry for Jane - her anger was understandable of course as Ian never consulted her but I think Ian did the best thing except for asking for Steven to be held forever in that clinic - that is too much.

[Florijo]

Where an earth does Sean get his money from to keep going off like that? He is always off somewhere

[Chris_2k11]

Does the Ronnie/Jack thing remind anyone of Steve Owen and Mel?

[Abbie]

Does the Ronnie/Jack thing remind anyone of Steve Owen and Mel?

You know what, now that you've said that, they do a bit

[Siobhan]

I like last night episode... showed a lot of interaction between character that actually work well together

You have Jack and ronnie, like to think they are oil and water but they are more alike than they think
Then Jean and Sean... mother/son thing gone wrong but still Jean will protect him and she hit a nerve with Sean when she told the police he would never come to her for anything.
Sean does have a soft side, asking Tanya to go with him was just to protect her from what is coming. He wants to kill Max but doesn't want Tanya to be hurt.. he is a bit of a heathcliff!!
And last Pat and Steven.. lovely and warm and get together... I like them too

[Lizzie Brookes]

That's a good point actually. At first I thought he was crazy but yes he does hate Max and he knows it'll come out sooner or later so he wants to protect Tanya. Yes he does seem like a bit of a Heathcliff. Good comparison that. Yes I loved the Pat/Steven scenes. Hopefully more Stevento look foirward to tonight.

[tammyy2j]

Does the Ronnie/Jack thing remind anyone of Steve Owen and Mel?

Yes so agree

I liked the scenes between Pat and Steven. It must have been hard to Jane to see pregnant Tanya knowing she will never have kids of her own. I blame Ian and little brat Lucy. I really can't see how Jane and Ian's marriage can recover from this.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes it must be hard for Jane to see Tanya knowing she is now infertile and Tanya is pregnant. You can't blame Ian though - I know he's pathetic and takes Jane for granted but it wasn't his fault that Steven held him hostage for 3 weeks. Lucy was a bit of a rebellious teenager at first but when she found her dad she really started to mature.

[Siobhan]

everyone is talking about Lucy maturing been different, well you would be too if you knew that the gun you gave your brother cause that much damage to your stepmother to the point where she could have children of her own. Lucy feels guilty.. if she had not given the gun to steven, there would have been no accident

[Lizzie Brookes]

True. Maybe she should confess the truth - they wouln't be angry with her surely because she did not know Steven was unhinged and it might make Ian and Jane less angry at Steven. Remember they thought he had it allalong but he never intended to have or use a gun till Lucy gae it to him and he was slightly annoyed himself that Lucy gave him that gun - he wantedto get rid 0f it at first so it would not "mess with (his) head".

[Siobhan]

In her defence.. Lucy didn't know he was unhinged and she felt she could trust her big brother.. He should have gotten rid quick as but instead he chose to bring it along with him to talk to Ian... did he want to use it or was it just for scare tatics????

[Lizzie Brookes]

He was going to get rid of it but when he was questioned by the police he decided to keep it. I don't believe he would have used it against ay of them. He maybe intended to kill himself and only took it out to stop Ian ringing the police - actually that's quite natural. Anyone unhinged or not wouldsurely get the wind up if you threaten to call the police on them. Yes Lucy naturally trusted her older brother which you normally can, only in this casse it was unfortunate. Even when he was in that room with Ian talking, I couldn't help trusting that he would never use that gun against Ian which he didn't. If I were Lucy I'd probably have waited. If Lucy had waited then maybe they would have come to an understanding and certainly Jane would not have been shot. I'm not sure why but I seem to understand Steven quite well.

[Lennie]

No way was Steven going to use, he did say he came here to let Ian out now, but Ian wanted to call the police and thats when Steven got the gun out

[Lizzie Brookes]

No way was Steven going to use, he did say he came here to let Ian out now, but Ian wanted to call the police and thats when Steven got the gun out

Well said Lennie. I agree 100%.

Thanks by the way for letting the Steven Beale fan club over on DS Steven Beale Appreciation Thread know about the new clip on You Tube.

[Lennie]

Thanks and no problem :)

Steven was on edge, he was at the end - all he wanted was this feeling to end.

No way would Steven taken Lucy if he was planning to use the gun

[Lizzie Brookes]

It was very powerful when he said that he wanted to finish it, wanted it to end etc. Ian's wrong - he would never have locked Lucy in tht flat and if he intended to kill Ian he would not take Lucy there. Lucy should perhaps have been a bit more trusting and not fetched Jane. Jane would be angry and upset and that's the last thing Ian or Steven need.

[Lennie]

Jane's been all over the place when he had been missing - i dont blame her in how she reacted etc

[Lizzie Brookes]

Nor do I. It was natural for her to be upset and very angry with Steven but it might have been best if Lucy hadn't done that, that's all.

[Lennie]

Lucy probably thought who else can she turn to and thought of Jane

[Lizzie Brookes]

Mmm maybe but if I were her I'd have waited. Who knows - maybe Ian or Steven would have driven them all home in the car if Jane hadn't arrived. I can't believe Steven tried to run Ian over though - that must have been a red herring surely.

[Siobhan]

Mmm maybe but if I were her I'd have waited. Who knows - maybe Ian or Steven would have driven them all home in the car if Jane hadn't arrived. I can't believe Steven tried to run Ian over though - that must have been a red herring surely.

did steven have a car??? didn't he and lucy come on the tube

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes they did come on the tube but that's not what I was referring to. Ian's car is still there remember. The police found it there. And remember during that stalker buisiness Ian nearly got run over by a car so I guessed Steven must be old enough to drive.

[Lennie]

^ well he did drive Jane's car to pick Lucy and Peter up

Steven is 17, going to be 18 soon in December

[Lizzie Brookes]

I mean I guessed before 9th October.

[Joanne]

Poor old Jase. I think he really thinks that Tel is going to just let him go and lead a normal life with Jay.

[Lizzie Brookes]

That was a good episode. I'm glad Jane confided in Tanya. She needs a friend to talk to and I'm sure Tanya will keep quiet. She's right to say Ian should spend time lookingh after Jane but I think under the circumstances he was right not to call the police. Prison would only worsen Steven and we know he would never hurt anyone and the shooting was accidental. I don't think that purple shirt suits him at all but that is just my opinion. I was sorry for Steven especially when he overheard wat Ian said. Ian was out of order asking Pat not to go near him. Ok fair enough if Ian and Jane never want to see him again I can't blame them but Ian has no right to tell Pat to desert her own grandson. At the end i really thought Terry was going to hit Jase but I didn't believe in that hug - it had a sinister undertone.

[JustJodi]

Lizzie Ian might have been"out of order" telling Pat what he did about Steven, but remember he had just had a confrontation with Tanya,, so he was still very angry.
I saw one thing,, Steven is delusional,, he thinks he can fix things with Ian with a few good memories that happened 8 yrs ago or so,, and he thinks he can WEASEL his way into Ians life again after what he did,, sorry but the guy belongs in a place where he can be treated, he was not in that clinic long enough, hes still messed up and very very disturbed ! What I do not understand is why they released Steven to Pat when it was Ian who was paying for the clinic..:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

I felt really bad for Jase, cos Tel is not about to let him walk away from his old life . The next few episodes are going to be interesting.

I felt so bad for Billy seems like nothing goes his way. But at least Peggy has given them a place to stay,, hmm lemme think..Ronnie Roxie, Peg, Phil and Ben and now Honey Billy Janet and the baby,, how many darn bedrooms are over the Vic LOL

[Lizzie Brookes]

Of course Ian's angry with Steven - anyone would be if they were stalked and locked in a flat and their wife was shot even if accidentally and of course itwill take time. Steven is definitely better than he was and remember he did not discharge himself. The clinic chose to let him go and h can't stay there after being discharged. Besides that doctor is right - it would be unethical to keep him there forever. I don'rt believe though that he is still delusional. Pat is right to say it will take time and a fewhappy memories will not erase what he has done but even when unhinged he would definitely not have hurt anyone diliberately. I am sure of that. He has to continue taking his medication and shouldn't have gone off it - he just wants to apologise I think because he feels guilty though he should give them space. It was last time - the first time that he came that he weasled his way into the family after locking Ian up which was outrageous. This time he wants to make the first move to make amends/reconnect. I can't help pitying him though I certainly can't condone his actions. I suppose they releasedhim to Pat because they cannot grant Ian's request as it is unethical. Steven is still Lucy and Peter's half brother and a member of the family whatever he has done.

[Pinkbanana]

Steven is still Lucy and Peter's half brother and a member of the family whatever he has done.

Yeah, its a real shame that Steven didnt remember that when he was imprisoning their dad, or pretending to Lucy that her mum was still alive! The fact he os family makes what he has done more unacceptable...whereas I read the above that you think it makes it more acceptable!!! He maybe a member of the family, but is doesnt mean they have to forgive him or welcome him back with open arms! :rolleyes:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well - no but remember he was delusional when he did that. Lucy made him seehow screwed his actions were but you can't just stop loving somone just like that, especially your own brother (and in Pat's case grandson). Obviously I'm not expecting them to welcome him back with open arms straight away but it would be nice if he could eventually be forgiven. It's good that he feels so bad now that he desperately wants to make amends.

[Joanne]

Does he feel bad for what he did to Jane and Ian though or bad for himself? I didn't detect a great deal of remorse from him yesterday but alot of me, me, me. Throwing away the pills was a dumb thing to do and if he is supposed to be "better" now or "cured" then he's obviously not very bright if he doesn't think he needs them anymore.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree it was stupid to throw away the medication but then I suppose some people do do that - I mean it's not very nice to be on medication is it? I don't think he's in self pity though. Even after the gunshot wasfired (though he was ill then) he said it was accidental and that he would never hurt anyone and now he definitely knows Ian is not to blame for Cindy's death because he did start to see things from Ian's viewpoint and called Ian "dad" - a sign that he is slowly returning to normal. I agree that he is not thinking about Jane and Ian needing space to come to terms with things etc but I'm sure he does realise he did wrong and wants to try and put things right though as Pat says it is too soon.

[CrazyLea]

I don't think he's realised the true extent of what he's done. I think he's still, if not even more dillusional now. He seems alot more untogether (don't know if that is a word lol) now than he did when he did all that stuff. He thinks he can sort it as quick as a click of the fingers, but he can't, and he needs to realise that. He should definately not have been discharged from the clinic. It's obvious he's still not well!!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree he hasn't realised the extent of what he has done and that he is still not fully well but i can''t believe the medication and counselling haven't helped at all. I mean if you have high mental resistance you can just about make counselling ineffective but high mental resistance doesn't work against medication. Besides why should he mentally resist counselling when he himself admitted to being unwell and chose to get counselling? I don't think he is worse now than he was when he did all those dangerous things but I agree he is still not fully well. I am sorry for him though. Actually - it's weird but the very fact that he is unhinged makes me want to sit down and talk through my own problems with him. I think the clinic thought he was better - he certainly seems calmer now than he was before - he needs a friend to talk to, not just "nana" Pat.

[parkerman]

How long was he at the clinic? The state he was in he would have needed much longer before he would be well again. Also, he may need to take the medication for life, depending on what it is that's wrong with him. If, for example, he has schizophrenia, he won't ever be better but the medication will help keep it under control. As soon as he stops taking it he will just revert back to how he was.

[Lizzie Brookes]

He was orginally scheduled to only return in December. I think the producers brought the date forward because Steven is such a popular charecter and Aaron is such a popular actor. Anyway it's a soap. It isn't supposed to be completely realistic. Nobody for example would lug a coffin into a guy's back yard in real life - unhinged or not. I don't think he has schizophenia because I don't thinkhehas hallucinttions or hears voices. I just think he was quite delusional and is less so. Yes we are allagreed it was stupid of himto quit medication but I suppose the medication did his head in - still he should not have gone off it. I don't think he is dangerous any more though - may not be fully well but he wouldn't pull any more stunts now. He is a bit better though not completely recovered. I can't wait till Monday and I'm definitely watching the omnibus tomorrow.

[Johnny Allen]

I love the Jase stuff, and the scenes between Jane and Tanya were brilliant.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I was so sorry for Steven tonight though I fully understand why Ian and Jane reacted as they did. Going to the police station took a lot of guts and shows his repentance is genuine but if he had handed himself in Lucy would have got into trouble for lying. Ian should be spending more time looking after and supporting Jane rather than being so obsessed with Steven and keeping him locked up in the clinic and all the rest of it. I can't blame Jne for being scared. Ian was quite rough and harshh but obviously from his viewpoint Steven was there, Jane was getting distressed and he was protecting her. Desperate as Steven is to make amends he should perhaps have given them a little more space. Clearly he has to earn their trust seeing that he hid his psychosis nd put on an act before but mesed up or not I cannot and will not believe he would intentionally hurt anyone. I saw no signs of aggression today. I wanted to give him a hug when he stood outside the door and said Ian couldn't turn his back on him.

By the way have they found that dog, Chips? The last we saw him was October 4th when Steven left the gate open and the dog wandered out and never came back.

[tammyy2j]

Liked the Steven scenes. So Roxy is jealous of Dawn/Jas as is Garry by the looks of it maybe they should get together. Garry was hilarious last night as usual.

[JustJodi]

How long was he at the clinic? The state he was in he would have needed much longer before he would be well again. Also, he may need to take the medication for life, depending on what it is that's wrong with him. If, for example, he has schizophrenia, he won't ever be better but the medication will help keep it under control. As soon as he stops taking it he will just revert back to how he was.

By my calculations no more than 2 weeks is all he got:searchme: ,, the kid was off the rails, and he should have stayed in for a lot longer period of time. The medication was given to him for what ever ails him, they did not give him the pills for no darn good reason.:nono:

[JustJodi]

I really liked last nights episode,, they sort of gave us a micro mini cliff hanger ( before Tel and Bird and their rowdy men barged into the Vic ) I have a feeling we are going to have something WORTH watching this evening,
I think Jase is our new eye candy , I think he can actually act,, and hes good looking too...Ummm the shirt he bought must have come from the ALFIE MOON line :lol:

[Dutchgirl]

I really liked last nights episode,, they sort of gave us a micro mini cliff hanger ( before Tel and Bird and their rowdy men barged into the Vic ) I have a feeling we are going to have something WORTH watching this evening,
I think Jase is our new eye candy , I think he can actually act,, and hes good looking too...Ummm the shirt he bought must have come from the ALFIE MOON line :lol:

You are so right.:rotfl:
Uhm I think I missed something while watching fridays epi. Did Jase P*** off Tel and Bird because they look up to no good. What happens if they find out that jase is not at the Vic? It is going to be worth watcing.

[JustJodi]

Jase did not think he pxxxed off Tel when he told him he wanted out of the motely crue,,he told Tel he needed to focus more on Jay and all that stuff, Tel hugged him,, so Jase went off thinking he was FREE of the thugs he hung out with in the past. But my guess is Tel's group is some what like the American Mafia,, once u are in u are in for life,, that sorta thing...:ninja: :thumbsdow
Jase ends up in the Vic some how tonight,, guess we will hafta wait and see how he stumbles in on his old crew at work ?????:ninja:

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Can anyone simply tell me if Honey loses her baby in spoiler tags? Thanks x

Well sad tonight, only caught the last 15 minutes as I was watching Dragon's Den!.. Few tears slipped away when Honey was crying =(...

[Johnny Allen]

that was a bit brutal wasnt it?, not really 7.30 viewing if you ask me. But a brilliant episode, I was gripped from the start. Boy did some of the locals take a beating I gasped when Terry smacked Mickey with the telephone, that was vicious. Excellent episode very emotional too. One thing puzzles me if Honey was due today as Billy told the intervir and Billy's mobile phone rang surely he'd answer it even in an interviewer, he must have been thinking about her pregancy. Im loving these episodes about Jase and his past, once your in the firm you never get out.

[Lennie]

I wish Sean was there to help :D

I loved how Honey came in and stood up for Jase - she seems him as a normal human being and doesnt judge him

I swear if i can pick any woman for Jase to be with it - it has to be Honey, they would be great together (i have liked them since their first scenes together)


Dawn and Jay's scene was lovely - atleast he likes her and more then Roxy lol

I am mad at Ian, cant believe he had the nerve to say 'dont make a mess, i just cleaned it' to Jase whilst he was taking Honey to the car - thats the least of his problem :rolleyes:

Nice scene of the Beales watching a movie

But i have to mention Jane seemed kinda worried when she said 'Its not Steven is it' when Ian mentioned the police and stuff

[Florijo]

I really wish Sean, Max and Shirley had been there. Would have been good to see their reactions. :D

[Joanne]

Fantastic episode tonight. I was totally gripped all the way through. The scenes at the end with Honey were so upsetting though, I really hope her baby is OK. Her and Jase have a really good chemistry but I don't think she would ever be unfaithful to Billy.

What "firm" is Jase in exactly? I read somewhere that it was football hooligan related and tonight when he was talking to Minty at the hospital Minty brought up Heysel and Hillsborough and Jase got very tetchy and defensive about it. Would there be a Liverpool firm though in East London? Only Jase has got an accent.:searchme:

[LostVoodoo]

I really wish Sean, Max and Shirley had been there. Would have been good to see their reactions. :D

oh god, Shirley there would have been amazing! it was rather gritty for eastenders i must say, but just little things annoyed me i was shouting 'just throw a bottle at his head Roni, stop flailing!' at one point. but hey, its 7.30, and it was very good and scary.

[JustJodi]

I thought it was a great episode,, I feel so bad for Billy and Honey,, and the look Billy gave Jase when he was peeking around the door to see what was going on in the delivery room..<< shudders>>
Minty ,,,I forgot he was one of Phil's thugs at one time.. so he would know exactly who Jase was..I honestly had no idea that a HOOLIGAN is considered to be like the MAFIA..I just thought they were a bunch of drunken brawlers when a soccer game went bad,, goes to show I need to do more research on these bad people .
Its too bad that the Vic did not have a CCTV then they would have every ones faces ...but I am sure Bird would have smashed it the moment they went in the Vic,,,
Good episode !!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS boy Dawn has CHANGED.. she actually took care of Jay and fed him and HUGGED him :eek:

[JustJodi]

I really wish Sean, Max and Shirley had been there. Would have been good to see their reactions. :D

oh god, Shirley there would have been amazing! it was rather gritty for eastenders i must say, but just little things annoyed me i was shouting 'just throw a bottle at his head Roni, stop flailing!' at one point. but hey, its 7.30, and it was very good and scary.


OOOOHHHHHHHH where were those 3 when all this happened,, Sean would have beat the beejeebies outta those guys,, and Shirley would have thrown her self over the bar and jumped on one of the guys backs and tore at his hair and poked his eyes ..Max........... not sure what he would do,, :searchme:

[Dutchgirl]

Thank god Sean wasn't there he would have been badly beaten up. Maybe with Dawn the hormones finally kicked in.
Honey I had tears in my eyes, she doesn't deserve all this bad luck.

Thanks JJ for enlightening me about Jase, I missed it I guess.

[Florijo]

Max probably would have hid behind someone....he is a bit of a wimp. WOuld have been funny to see.

I thought it was an excellent episode. I don't think it was that violent though. Some of the critics were making out like it was terrible, terrible violence. I've seen a hell of a lot worse than that on EE before. I love the new less-dumbed down EE. EE was always gritty and somewhat dark and that is how it should be

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know Jase did not mean for this to happen but I'm not surprised everyone is angry with him because it is his ppast that has caused this and so in a way he is responsible for what has happened. Dawn may just be slightly gentler towards him though because she does like him. I'm glad Jay and Dawn get onso well - that is nice to see. I wonder - if Max gets kicked out by Tanya if and when the affair is discovered whether Steven, Max and Jase will all be outcasts together.

[Florijo]

I really like the Dawn/Jase pairing. Much better than Roxy/Jase.

I'm not sure Max will be an outcast. I don't think the likes of Peggy, Phil and co would be that bothered about what he has done. They wouldn't bar him from the pub i don't think. I think Jane might ban him from the cafe or something though.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah I guess you're right - no Max only had a fling so it's not like Steven or Jase. Obviously Bradley, Tanya etc will all hate Max but he didn't unintentionally cause harmto anyone so. Steven and Jase may be outcasts together though. One is messed up and the other's past caught up with him but both caused harm without meaning to.

[Siobhan]

:clap::clap::clap::clap: What an amazing episode... I was gripped from start to finish and at the end was crying... I can't wait for thursday. I really hope the baby is ok.. poor billy and honey.
My heart went out to Jase last night. he didnt mean for any of this to happen and he is trying so hard to get away from his old ways but they won't let him go. He now has to convince everyone again he is not a bad person.

In reference to the football stuff, Jase is from Manchester but the point minty was making the football disasters (Heysel and Hillsborough) which was cause by hooligan where many people lost their lives

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm sorry for Jase too but you can't really blame the square for reacting as they did. I mean his past affected everyone. It must have been traumatising for Patrick when that an threatened him considering Craigs attack and though Jase did the right thing rushing Honey to hopital etc and did ask Honey to leave when she went to defend him Billy was angry because he always suspected Jase was hiding something. Dawn may stand by him, Honey may try to forgive him and Minty may be around for him too - other than that I don't know but Minty is right - he has to prove he has changed.

[parkerman]

In reference to the football stuff, Jase is from Manchester but the point minty was making the football disasters (Heysel and Hillsborough) which was cause by hooligan where many people lost their lives
The disaster at Hillsborough was not caused by football hooligans. It was mainly the fault of the police for not realising how overcrowded the stadium had got.

[tammyy2j]

Great episode. Poor Honey i really hope the baby doesn't die. Jase and Honey are a good pairing but she finds good in everyone and i doubt she would cheat on her Billy. Dawn was great with Jay last night i am actually warming to her. I agree with the others i would love to have seen Sean, Max, Shirley and Jack there. I wonder what Phil will do when he finds out.

[Chloe]

Great episode. Poor Honey i really hope the baby doesn't die. Jase and Honey are a good pairing but she finds good in everyone and i doubt she would cheat on her Billy. Dawn was great with Jay last night i am actually warming to her. I agree with the others i would love to have seen Sean, Max, Shirley and Jack there. I wonder what Phil will do when he finds out.

I'm surprised at Minty for not getting stuck in - didn't he used to be one of Phil's heavies, when he was Janine's landlord ? Phil has got to retaliate - he can't be seen to take this lying down, especially with Peggy and his female cousins being involved. Cue a visit from Grant ?

[Joanne]

Great episode. Poor Honey i really hope the baby doesn't die. Jase and Honey are a good pairing but she finds good in everyone and i doubt she would cheat on her Billy. Dawn was great with Jay last night i am actually warming to her. I agree with the others i would love to have seen Sean, Max, Shirley and Jack there. I wonder what Phil will do when he finds out.

I'm surprised at Minty for not getting stuck in - didn't he used to be one of Phil's heavies, when he was Janine's landlord ? Phil has got to retaliate - he can't be seen to take this lying down, especially with Peggy and his female cousins being involved. Cue a visit from Grant ?

Now would be a great time for Grant to make another appearance. He could sort out Terry's gang and sort out Steven for what he did to Jane. Unfortunately though I think we'd know if Ross Kemp was coming back anytime soon.

[Siobhan]

In reference to the football stuff, Jase is from Manchester but the point minty was making the football disasters (Heysel and Hillsborough) which was cause by hooligan where many people lost their lives
The disaster at Hillsborough was not caused by football hooligans. It was mainly the fault of the police for not realising how overcrowded the stadium had got.

sorry Parkerman.. I was thinking of another incident but just copied what was written in the post. I know what cause Hillsborough

[parkerman]

My comment wasn't meant as a criticism of what you said, Siobahn, rather of Eastenders, as that is what Minty was implying.

[tammyy2j]

Great episode. Poor Honey i really hope the baby doesn't die. Jase and Honey are a good pairing but she finds good in everyone and i doubt she would cheat on her Billy. Dawn was great with Jay last night i am actually warming to her. I agree with the others i would love to have seen Sean, Max, Shirley and Jack there. I wonder what Phil will do when he finds out.

I'm surprised at Minty for not getting stuck in - didn't he used to be one of Phil's heavies, when he was Janine's landlord ? Phil has got to retaliate - he can't be seen to take this lying down, especially with Peggy and his female cousins being involved. Cue a visit from Grant ?


Yes it would be great now for Grant to return to help Phil and Peggy with Terry's gang but also see Jane

[CrazyLea]

ad no idea that a HOOLIGAN is considered to be like the MAFIA..I just thought they were a bunch of drunken brawlers when a soccer game went bad,, goes to show I need to do more research on these bad people .
Jodi, you should watch Green Street. That's the way I percieve Jase's gang anyway.

[Siobhan]

all I can say is fair play to Jase.. he came over and took his punishment. He could have easily have hidden somewhere when he say them beating Keith but he didn't.
what I also like to know, if there was men at every door to dish out punishment to those who was going to leggit.. how did Jase get in unnoticed???

[StarsOfCCTV]

Good point :p
Honey and Billy aww :o so glad the baby survived! :thumbsup: Baby Billy :p

I hope Dawn and Jase get back together, they make a good couple :)

At the end...I own you?! Who does Phil think he is the local gangster? :lol: And where's Ben?

[parkerman]

I have been thinking that Eastenders is getting better and had turned a corner, but I think tonight's episode was just rubbish!

Firstly, I still can't get my head round the idea that the police never followed up Lucy's story and that Steven is still around, free, so anything that happens with Steven and the Beales I just find totally unbelievable.

Secondly, I don't know much about football hooloiganism, but I just find the Terry character completely lacking in all credibility. I mean what is that all about? Also, aren't they all a bit old to be playing at football hooligan?

Thirdly, what is all this about Phil "owning" Jase? Why? What does it mean?

I'm sorry, but I was very very disappointed with tonight.:thumbsdow

[Lizzie Brookes]

I liked tonight's episode. I can't believe Steven lsept on the bench in this cold weather. Good thing Terrence found him. I'm glad Pat's given him a home and certainly Lucy will be there for him and hopefully Peter too. He is still their grandon and half brother whatever he has done. I can understand though why Ian and Jane are still angry at him and don't want him around. I'm glad Peter knows the truth now - he has a right to know. I always thought so. I only hope he doesn't think the firing of the gun was intentional - the way Jane said it she made it sound as though Steven did it diliberately which isn't fair because it was accidental. Even in his messed up state he would never ever hurt anyone intentionally. I'm glad Terry etc all got arrested - about time.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thirdly, what is all this about Phil "owning" Jase? Why? What does it mean?



It means Jase is under obligation to him I think.

[parkerman]

Thirdly, what is all this about Phil "owning" Jase? Why? What does it mean?



It means Jase is under obligation to him I think.
Why? What did Phil do to help Jase?

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thirdly, what is all this about Phil "owning" Jase? Why? What does it mean?



It means Jase is under obligation to him I think.
Why? What did Phil do to help Jase?

He did call the police which resulted in terry etc being arrested.

[Dutchgirl]

Owning means that Jase has to do whatever Phil tells him to. This is so bad. Phil telling him he doesn't work that way anymore and then tells him he owns him.:sick:
Poor Jase what comes around goes around. His past is catching him up and will never let go.

[parkerman]

Yes, I know what it means. What I meant was why does Phil own Jase and why should Jase feel under any obligation to him? It's nonsense.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know - that is a bit weird but then that's typical Phil isn't it?

[Dutchgirl]

Yes, I know what it means. What I meant was why does Phil own Jase and why should Jase feel under any obligation to him? It's nonsense.
Sorry you meant it rhetorically. I feel the same it makes no sense. Phil moves in mysterious ways.

[Joanne]

I guess Phil must still have connections to make him think he can just "own" someone. Let's face it if he had a one on one fight with Jase he wouldn't stand a chance so he must have back-up?

Obviously glad that everything turned out OK with baby William. I really like Honey and really felt for her when she was fretting about leaving Janet in the pub.

Glad to see Jane sticking up for herself and starting to let it all out.

[xxxxxx]

I have to say that these episodes have brought me back to eastenders! Stax is sooo boring and its good they did something different. The acting has been brillient with Jase, Honey, Billy were all exceptional but the special award goes to Jay. He made me actually cry, he played his part well. I can't wait for Jase, Dawn, Jay and Summer to be a family it will be soo cute!

[Siobhan]

I cried so much last night. 1st thinking the baby had died and then the call Jase made to Jay and then when I heard the baby cry again I was crying with happiness. I loved it last night and Jase should tell phil to shove it. He has fought so hard against the other group not to fall back into been owned again. Who does Phil think he is anyway "I own you".. Jase is not his dog, he is not going to fall into line like billy does.

[JustJodi]

Honey really went to bat for Jase... actually the guy who plays Jase actually can ACT..:thumbsup:
Shiv I was just like you,,, it brought tears in my eyes when Jase was able to see the baby,, and know the baby did not die..:wub:
Phil is going to have a hard time making Jase toe in line,,Jas has struggled to get rid of his demons now to have Phil say what he did,,Jase is not going to lay down and take it,,, actually if u think about it ,, Phil would be easier to work with ,than Terry ( Terry wanted to see loads of blood and broken bones ):searchme: I can not Phil sending Jase out with a gang of thugs and ripping up east london...

Good for Jane and for her telling the truth about her " appendix" I find Steven to be a sniveling little toerag,, hes a smooth MANIPULATIVE little shxx. PAT is going to regret taking the kid in eventually...

[Siobhan]

Good for Jane and for her telling the truth about her " appendix" I find Steven to be a sniveling little toerag,, hes a smooth MANIPULATIVE little shxx. PAT is going to regret taking the kid in eventually...

:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!

[Joanne]

Good for Jane and for her telling the truth about her " appendix" I find Steven to be a sniveling little toerag,, hes a smooth MANIPULATIVE little shxx. PAT is going to regret taking the kid in eventually...

:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!


Yes I agree too about Steven. He knows exactly how to extract maximum sympathy from Pat and is doing it well. I think he honestly thought a simple apology would undo the damage he's done with Ian and Jane as well.

I hope that eventually the whole Square find out what he's done.

[Bryan]

just caught up with this week's episodes, and wow how amazing was Tuesday nights one!? Full of tension and high drama! Shocked at the Vic Raid, then sad at Honey's baby not breathing!

Anyone who phoned up and complained about the violence needs to get a life, honestly. It was tame.

[Wizardardo]

I thought it was right to show the violence

After all Soaps are meant to be based on real life problems and happenings. Eastenders being in the East End of London has problems with gang crime and i think it shows youths that watch the show that they shouldn't get involved

All credit to the BBC

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that Peter has a right to know the truth and am glad Jane told him.
I do not believe that Steven is putting an an act - not now. You can lie once, twice, thrice but not continuously - you would slip up at some point or another and he is close to Pat. Lying to someone that close - nobody could do it and Steven's no psychopath. Even when he was messed up, he still had love in him - at least for the twins and Pat and seemed to respect and have a small crush on Jane. Steven is clearly not fully well but the clinic has definitely made him a bit better. What he did - it was wrong. Nobody can deny it. It was sick to stalk Ian and lock him up and then live with his family knowing what he did to Ian but I could see on both Friday 12th and Monday 15th that he was not evil. It was eating him up knowing what he did to Ian while seeing the family go through worry.

He is close to his half sister Lucy and put the gun down so as not to scare her, assuring her he wasn't trying to get at her. Her showed concern for lucy's welfare when he said it wasn't safe outside. I can't blame Jane for believing it was another act - she doesn't know Steven that well, he is a stranger to her and i can't blame Ian for trying to protect Jane but I wish he hadn't thrown him around like a rag doll or treated him like a dog - "up up up". I think he ought to have given Ian and Jane space despite being desperate to apologise - it was too soon like Pat said and you have to build/earn trust. They can't welcome him back with open arms after what he did but if he eally proves he repents his actions I hope, I am sure he will be accepted back again eventuially though it'll take time.

He is still Lucy and peter's half brother whatever he has done and the shooting of Jane was so accidetal - he was trying to kill himself and the gun went off wile all four were struggling with it. I am glad pat gave him a home. That is what he needs. He also needs to feel belonged. It would be a good idea for him to stay away from Ian and family at least for a while but he has every right to live with his gran. If anyone's to blame for the way he turned out it is Simon. Ian's right. Simon is a selfish, self centred, lazy, irresponsible pathetic excuse for a man and it is his neglect of Steven that caused Steven to become ill and deluded. Steven would never have done all that if he had not been ill. He was shaking the very day he returned to the square and Ian saw he needed help in the car though i can hardly blame him for his anger and scepticism which was only natural.

I don't believe Steven lied to Pat - Pat agreed that Simon as a bit distant on the phone and its perfectly plausible that he's weak enough to be under his girlfriend's thumb. I can't believe Steven slept on that bench - it must have been freezing, it's November. He sgouldn't have thrown away his medication though - that was stupid. I know taking meds is a pain but going off them wasn't the answer. I really hope Lucy tells Peter everything and he forgives Steven and Steven has a right to know about Jane's womb being removed - then he will understand exactly why Ian and Jane hate him just so much.

[Pinkbanana]

Good for Jane and for her telling the truth about her " appendix" I find Steven to be a sniveling little toerag,, hes a smooth MANIPULATIVE little shxx. PAT is going to regret taking the kid in eventually...

:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!


Yes I agree too about Steven. He knows exactly how to extract maximum sympathy from Pat and is doing it well. I think he honestly thought a simple apology would undo the damage he's done with Ian and Jane as well.

I hope that eventually the whole Square find out what he's done.

Totally agree with you guys. JJ - a fantastic description!!! :lol:

I hope the whole square finds out what he has done, though looking at the spoilers, they are going to work out pretty quickly, I hope, that he is rather unhinged!

Apart from that it has been an interesting old week on EE. I agree with BB about if being full of tension and high drama :eek: . EE is definitely on the up, in my opinion! :thumbsup:

Just waiting for the whole nasty Stax affair to come out, and finally be behind us!!!

[Chris_2k11]

With the video camera my guess is that they'll get their own suitcase back in a few weeks time just before xmas and instead of watching the video straight away they decide to save it for xmas day and maybe ask Peggy if they can all watch it in the vic hahaha :D oh god i cant wait. lol this aint a spoiler btw, just a guess!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wish Steven hadn't lied to Peggy about his age but I hate Ian's smug smirk - he really has to act like a pathetic little weasel all over again. He must have really enjoyed sticking the knife in. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ian should just have ignored him. It isn't fair to tell Steven that he would tell tles on him to every single employer so that he won't get a hjob. I know Steven shouldn't have done all that to Ian and can't condone his behaviour and i understand he was sick at the time but that doesn't mean Ian needs to make life difficult for Steven just because Steven did it to him. What's the point? I know Steven waved to Peter but he doesn't know Peter knows about the shooting and he couldn't just ignore his half brother. I'm glad Pat got him the marlket stall job. He's still not fully well but I don't believe he would ever harm anyone intentionally. It's a shame Bradley lost his job and that Stacey misunderstood and gave the signed contract to Mrs Patel. Can't wait for tomorrow. By the way what did Steven say to Pat about the internet? I didn't understand it.

[Joanne]

I don't think Pat feels comfortable around Steven at all. She's putting on a front infront of Ian but she certainly doesn't seem at ease to me. In the betting office when Steven said that he's not mad, Pat's face said it all. She clearly still thinks he is or at least not the full ticket. There must be some fallout re him stopping his medication. Steven just seems to think he is completely OK now and snaps and acts petulantly whenever he doesn't get what he wants.

Re Ian telling Peggy Steven was too young to be working in the pub I don't see what the fuss is about there. Of course Ian doesn't want to be seeing Steven several times a day after what he's done to his family. I can completely understand him wanting to make things as uncomfortable for Steven as possible in the hope that he moves on somewhere else. I wouldn't want my kids having anything to do with someone like him.

It was good to see Stacey looking happy for almost a full episode! Obviously, it couldn't last. And where is Ben? Has Phil brought him back with him?

[Lizzie Brookes]

Pat is looking out for him and giving him a home because he is her grandson whatever he has done and she still loves him. I agree that she may not feel fully comfortable around him. I would feel a bit awkward after everything that has happened but I'd still be more trusting of him than Jane or Ian. Fair enough if Ian and Jane never want to see him again - not surprisiong after what he did though the gunshot was accidental but Ian has no right to keep Pater and Lucy away from him. Lucy still seems to trust him seeing she went to meet him in the cafe on her own and I don't believe he would everhurt anyone in a violent way least of all his nan or half brother and sister. Also Ian cannot stop him living in Walford. I am sure Steven would have the sense not to go near the cafe or the house after what happened last Monday and ian has every right to ban him from the house and cafe but Ian doesn't own Walford and Steven has nowhere else to go. I can't wait to see Steven's first day on the stall tonight.

[parkerman]

I still don't understand this whole Phil "owns" Jase thing. So what if he did go to the police? Jase wasn't responsible for the violence in the Vic. He wasn't even there when they all broke in and smashed the place up. They actually came looking for him because he had told them he was giving up the violence. Why doesn't he tell Phil to s** off? What could the police arrest him for?

[Wizardardo]

I still don't understand this whole Phil "owns" Jase thing. So what if he did go to the police? Jase wasn't responsible for the violence in the Vic. He wasn't even there when they all broke in and smashed the place up. They actually came looking for him because he had told them he was giving up the violence. Why doesn't he tell Phil to s** off? What could the police arrest him for?

I don't think Jase is worried about the police it's Phil's reputation that has him scared

If Jase hadn't got into all of this in the first place then they wouldn't have came looking for him and to be fair when he did sort it out he did it in his pub

[parkerman]

I can't imagine for one minute that Jase would be scared of Phil.

[Joanne]

I can't imagine for one minute that Jase would be scared of Phil.


I completely agree. Would Jase even be aware of Phil's reputation? He's new to the Square and Phil has been AWOL for ages anyway. In real life I'm sure he would tell Phil to get lost and, equally if he wanted to leave Walford then he would do.

[Siobhan]

I can't imagine for one minute that Jase would be scared of Phil.

I can't see that either considering he went to face the thugs in the pub and then again after he thought Honey's baby was dead. Plus he was going to attack his ex mentor.. why be afraid of Phil? why does Phil own him cause he called the police??? Anyone could have done that even Jase. Maybe, just maybe Phil says he own Jase cause he stopped him from going to jail. Jase would have killed Bird and the boss man (can't remember his name terry I think) if Phil hadn't stopped him. Or it could be that Phil is going to save him for the abuse he would have gotten from everyone.

[Wizardardo]

So why else let Phil push him about?

Surely he's heard off the locals about Phil and what he's like. If that was me and i didn't know the bloke at all i wouldn't let him speak to me like that

[parkerman]

So why else let Phil push him about?


I don't know and that's why I said I can't understand it. There is no way a character like Jase would let Phil push him about. Of course, we don't know yet that he is going to let him. We may have to wait and see how the story unfolds...:confused:

[Joanne]

The Powers that be seem to always write it so that Phil ends up as top dog, hardest man etc, keeping the Mitchell myth going.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Tonight's was good. As usual I enjoyed the Steven scenes. That scene with him and Monique was so funny. Her asking him directly "would you like to kiss me?" and him saying "er no, you're like thirteen, fourteen" - that really made me laugh. He's definitely not gay though - he himself denied it and when he first got back hee said "the usual, girls, drink" and Pat always said he was "a right little heartbreaker". I can see why Monique likes him though since he's older but as i thought he turned her down. Peter seems to be sticking up for him a bit. I think he realises the shooting was accidental. Part of the reason why Ian's so angry is that he thought Steven had the gun all along and that it was Steven's gun but we know Lucy gave him Craig's gun 48 hours before he went to free Ian from captivity. I liked the way Steven handled Stacey too.

[Perdita]

I think that Jase is doing anything he can to get into/stay in Phil's good book is because he wants to stay in Walford and look after Jay, he is depending on Phil giving him a job though as Billy seemed to have poisened all others against him after he found out that Jase had been in prison.

[Siobhan]

That is the hold Phil has on him.. he keeps telling Jase he will lose Jay and it is the one thing that Jase will do anything for

Steven really gets annoyed that Ian doesn't want anything to do with him. But I don't blame Ian.. would you readily forgive someone who drove you insane thinking that your dead wife was still alive and then kept you prisoner for weeks... Steven need to grow up. He is doing too little too late. If he just stepped back and let Ian cool down then he would have a better chance to get back into Ian's good books.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that Steven should keep a low profile for a while. He undoubtedly did wrong. You can't condone it at all because like Ian said his behaviour was sick and twisted and he is obviously not fully well but is much better given that he has stopped shaking. It wasn't really Steven's fault that Monique insisted on going to Pat's to see him and Peter accompanied her though. Accepting he wasunwell at the time, I do have some sympathy but I don't think it's a question of "growing up" as he is not fully well though yes he should lie low for a time and wait and see how things turn out.

[*-Rooney-*]

what happened between steven and stacey i must have missed that.

also another thing thats annoying me why did ian go in to jane while she was in the hospital (before the complications) and tell her they could have kids have the eastenders writers forgotten about his vasectomy

[Perdita]

what happened between steven and stacey i must have missed that.

also another thing thats annoying me why did ian go in to jane while she was in the hospital (before the complications) and tell her they could have kids have the eastenders writers forgotten about his vasectomy


cheers, I had forgotten about that. Unless I missed episodes with him having a reversal or he might have gone for one?

[parkerman]

what happened between steven and stacey i must have missed that.


He is selling clothes on his stall.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Stacey didn't like steven selling clothes on his stall because he'll be in direct competition with her.

[Joanne]

I was under the impression, after reading other posts on this forum that Ian starts unfairly sniping and making snide comments to poor, misunderstood Steven. Tonight's episode was anything but.

What a creep. Accusing Stacey, then going to Ian's house and accusing him. Threatening them both with the police - how on earth can he have the audacity to do that after what he's recently got away with. And, on top of all that he even lied to dear old Nana Pat whom he loves so dearly. His actions tonight were selfish and manipulative and indicative of the type of person he really is.

On a lighter note, poor Bradley at the end. How embarrassing to be seen like that by your MIL!

[Florijo]

I was under the impression, after reading other posts on this forum that Ian starts unfairly sniping and making snide comments to poor, misunderstood Steven. Tonight's episode was anything but.

What a creep. Accusing Stacey, then going to Ian's house and accusing him. Threatening them both with the police - how on earth can he have the audacity to do that after what he's recently got away with. And, on top of all that he even lied to dear old Nana Pat whom he loves so dearly. His actions tonight were selfish and manipulative and indicative of the type of person he really is.

On a lighter note, poor Bradley at the end. How embarrassing to be seen like that by your MIL!

Yes, I agree. I've gone off Steven big time now.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wish he hadn't done that - shouted at Ian and Stacey. Ian did nothing provocative today for once. If he set this up that was really unfair and shows that he is still a bit crazy even though the clinic has helped a little because at least he has stopped shaking. I can't believe he's completely evil though - that would be sowooden, stereotypical and boring and these things are complex. I can't help thinking the smashed stall if itis done by who I think it is, is a cry for help though it doesn't make his behaviour any less appalling.

[Timalay]

Any thoughts on who that woman was getting that Billy was talking to?

[LostVoodoo]

just something that will be stuck in my memory forever...Bradley is so very ginger...

[Chris_2k11]

I deffo think Steven's done that to the stall himself. also why did Honey's child benefit thing stop, i missed that bit. and how weird seeing Shirl' and Hazel having a go at each other lol

[parkerman]

why did Honey's child benefit thing stop.
They never explained why.

Also, Bradley applies for a job with the Council (assistant market inspector) and gets the job the next day....hmmm...What about the application form, the CV, short listing, waiting for an interview date, the interview itself, other candidiates, taking up references, etc. etc.? Must be a very efficient council....

[JustJodi]

I seem to remember an episode some time back when Ian was in the car park umm trying to get umm some specimin in a bottle to find out if the operation he had had had been reversed,, apparently he lost his "bottle" cos Namoi saw him in the car.. does any one remember this ?? So he never went back to find out if the vastectomy operation had been reversed ???

[Chris_2k11]

I knew it was Steven, how obvious!

[CrazyLea]

Yeah it was obvious. I have to side with Lizzie though, I feel sorry for Steven. But he is so not well yet! He still needs help! Can't help but feel for him though!!

How cute were Lauren and Peter!!!

[JustJodi]

Well we all knew it was gonna be Steven,, but how Ian is going to play this out should be interesting.:hmm:
Deano poor guy,, pretty boys do not make very good prisoners :(
Awwwwww Lauren and Peter,, sweeeeet
Now the camera has been dropped,,, whoopsie......:cool:

[Johnny Allen]

why did Honey's child benefit thing stop.
They never explained why.

Also, Bradley applies for a job with the Council (assistant market inspector) and gets the job the next day....hmmm...What about the application form, the CV, short listing, waiting for an interview date, the interview itself, other candidiates, taking up references, etc. etc.? Must be a very efficient council....

I had an interview, did my application form at the interview, and got offered the job all on the same day. Nice to have Bobby Davro back he does make me laugh. Gonna be interesting to see where Ian takes this now.

[Chris_2k11]

Well we all knew it was gonna be Steven,, but how Ian is going to play this out should be interesting.:hmm: I think they should have made it the crappy french girl, revenge for him not kissing her :rotfl:

[Kim]

LOL! I quite liked her, but then again I only saw her in tonight's episode. I didn't really know what was going on with the stall and everything after missing it on Tuesday and Thursday, but I did think Lauren and Peter were really good together and an unexpected pairing. I can't wait to see what happens with them after the way Lauren looked at Peter when heading for home. Knowing what is on that tape, I'm sure they'll find a way to play it. Circulating CCTV footage - great start to the new job, Bradley! I did have to feel for Stephen when he received the box of his belongings, even though I haven't felt for him at any other time recently.

[parkerman]

why did Honey's child benefit thing stop.
They never explained why.

Also, Bradley applies for a job with the Council (assistant market inspector) and gets the job the next day....hmmm...What about the application form, the CV, short listing, waiting for an interview date, the interview itself, other candidiates, taking up references, etc. etc.? Must be a very efficient council....

I had an interview, did my application form at the interview, and got offered the job all on the same day.
And was that for a local council job?

[Johnny Allen]

why did Honey's child benefit thing stop.
They never explained why.

Also, Bradley applies for a job with the Council (assistant market inspector) and gets the job the next day....hmmm...What about the application form, the CV, short listing, waiting for an interview date, the interview itself, other candidiates, taking up references, etc. etc.? Must be a very efficient council....

I had an interview, did my application form at the interview, and got offered the job all on the same day.
And was that for a local council job?

Err. No.:lol:

[Pinkbanana]

And was that for a local council job?

Does it matter?! Do people watch EE just sooo they can pick out these things? Its a soap, for various and obvious reasons, its not going to be completely accurate/realistic..... I think it manages pretty well overall to balance entertaining its audience, with the level of realism it includes.

I watched Emmerdale the other day and its more like a panto/carry on film these days, yet no one picks that soap to pieces, probably cause they would be spending soooo blooming long doing so. Its a shame EE is the whipping boy of the soaps.

[CrazyLea]

I have to agree PB.

As someone who watches the Aussie soaps, EE is very realistic compared to them :lol:.

[LostVoodoo]

As someone who watches the Aussie soaps, EE is very realistic compared to them :lol:.

what, you mean Karl's mission to over-throw a multi-national drugs company with the help of the local vet and a black polo-neck and leather jacket isn;t realistic?! :rotfl:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah it was obvious. I have to side with Lizzie though, I feel sorry for Steven. But he is so not well yet! He still needs help! Can't help but feel for him though!!

How cute were Lauren and Peter!!!

Thanks Crazy Lea. Both mum and myself couldn't help thinking though that Ian's a bit too spiteful - he wants to get one over on Steven just as he keeps doing with phil whereas Jane is worried more than anything and Jane is right to be worried because what Steven did is worrying - it's not a joke. Ian acts as though it is a joke and is all superior because he's clever enough to have worked it out. His stupid smirk. Of course Steven's behaviour on Thursday was appalling but on Friday it was nice of him to buy that bacon for Denise and give Jean the shirt freely etc.

[Dutchgirl]

[quote=Lizzie Brookes;543094
on Friday it was nice of him to buy that bacon for Denise and give Jean the shirt freely etc.[/quote]
Yep but the reason he gave the T-shirt was to annoy Stacey.
But the bacon was a good gesture.
Lovely how she takes care of her mother and bites her tong in her presence.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I uppose he was doing it partly to annoy Stacey but i am hoping Steven and Jean will genuinely be friends - they both have diferent oblems and it would be good if they could understand and support each other and after this competitiveness blows over if he could find a firm friend in Stacey who has experience dealing with her mum's illness and brother's problems it would be good for him.

[parkerman]

on Friday it was nice of him to buy that bacon for Denise and give Jean the shirt freely etc.
Yep but the reason he gave the T-shirt was to annoy Stacey.

Yes, and also he didn't give it freely. He said Stacey could pay for it when she had the money.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh yes, Parkerman's right I forgot but are you sure that wasn't a joke?

[parkerman]

Who can be sure of anything where Steven is concerned!?

[Joanne]

I don't think Ian is being very considerate towards Jane's feelings at the moment as he plots his revenge against Steven for accusing him of trashing his stall. Jane is obviously still petrified of Steven, and who can blame her?. Ian should have handled the whole CCTV thing without involving her. Seeing Steven wreck his own stall on the video must have worried Jane as he is obviously still not the full ticket and he is based right outside her back door.

I've got no qualms about anything Ian has done or said to Steven but I do think he should be a bit more discreet where Jane is concerned.

[Perdita]

![/QUOTE]

Of course Steven's behaviour on Thursday was appalling but on Friday it was nice of him to buy that bacon for Denise and give Jean the shirt freely etc.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion that was the least he could have done, should not have used up the bacon in the first place. Pat's excuse was that there was lots of other food available, well, why did Steven not have some cereal or toast instead of using up somebody else's bacon? :angry:

[JustJodi]

honestly the whole bacon thing was pure STUPID, who gives a toss WHOSE bacon it was,, every one living in that house shares,, did DENISE have her name taped on the package of bacon?? I doubt it,,when it comes to food in a house,, its fair play :p

[Dutchgirl]

honestly the whole bacon thing was pure STUPID, who gives a toss WHOSE bacon it was,, every one living in that house shares,, did DENISE have her name taped on the package of bacon?? I doubt it,,when it comes to food in a house,, its fair play :p

Have you ever been inside a Dutch students house, where everyone has his own refrigerator, with a lock? Guess not, they eat anything they get their hands on, assuming it is still fresh! Hahaha.:) Sorry off topic.

[JustJodi]

honestly the whole bacon thing was pure STUPID, who gives a toss WHOSE bacon it was,, every one living in that house shares,, did DENISE have her name taped on the package of bacon?? I doubt it,,when it comes to food in a house,, its fair play :p

Have you ever been inside a Dutch students house, where everyone has his own refrigerator, with a lock? Guess not, they eat anything they get their hands on, assuming it is still fresh! Hahaha.:) Sorry off topic.
one of the girls in my expat group told me something about that,,padlocks on the fridge yikes,, what if they get drunk and loose their keys or forget the combination to the lock LOL
SORRY OFF TOPIC

[Lizzie Brookes]

honestly the whole bacon thing was pure STUPID, who gives a toss WHOSE bacon it was,, every one living in that house shares,, did DENISE have her name taped on the package of bacon?? I doubt it,,when it comes to food in a house,, its fair play :p


I am with JustJodi about the bacon. It's true. Denise doesn't exactly "own" the bacon and everyone in a house is supposed to share all the food though Steven did right in buying a new packet and apologising.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't think Ian is being very considerate towards Jane's feelings at the moment as he plots his revenge against Steven for accusing him of trashing his stall. Jane is obviously still petrified of Steven, and who can blame her?. Ian should have handled the whole CCTV thing without involving her. Seeing Steven wreck his own stall on the video must have worried Jane as he is obviously still not the full ticket and he is based right outside her back door.

I've got no qualms about anything Ian has done or said to Steven but I do think he should be a bit more discreet where Jane is concerned.

I agree about Jane but not about Steven. Ian should have been more considerate towards Jane who is naturally afraid of Steven and instead of focusing on a stupid revenge he should be looking after Jane. At least he could have watched the CCTV tape alone - still I think it's pointless to wreak revenge on soeone who was mentally ill and didn't know what he was doing. Even Sonia forgave Martin for running Jamie over which was muich worse than Steven getting deluded and locking Ian up but I agree with what she said - "Forgving you for killing Jamie was the hardest thing I ever had to do but what was the alternative? Hate you for the rest of my life? What would that have done except mess me up? I couldn't let you destroy any more of my life Martin so I had no choice but to forgive you for killing Jamie" - shame Ian doesn't think like that. I'd be a bit warmer toward him then. I was sorry when he went through all that persecution etc but now he's back to being a pathetic little weasle who neglects his wife and tries to get one over on Steven just as he usually does with Phil - he has learnt nothing from what he went through. Jane had a point when she told Steven the problem was that Ian doesn't realise how much Jane and his children love him.

[Florijo]

I've been finding EE quite boring this past week. I'm bored of Steven and his attitude now. He is very unlikeable to just about everyone, even people he barely knows. :lweek:

Another glimpse of the guilty camcorder. It is funny that everyone seems to watch little snippets of them on honeymoon and no one ever thinks to rewind entirely and watch it.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I liked today's episode. Though Steven did wrong I'm glad he wiped that smug grin off Ian's face. I was sorry for Ian when he went through all that trauma but he is annoying me again now - taking Jane for granted again and just focussing on trying to get one over on Steven as he used to with Phil - pathetic little weasel. It was funny when Steven increased the height of the stall after Bradley told him off for going over the appropriate width. Steven did a good thing in trying to cover the stall for Billy though. He did warn Billy that Ian wouldn't like it but then he agreed eventually, I have a feeling there won't be much Steven this week as poor Aaron could do with a bit of a break but he is doing a fantastic job.

[Abbie]

I agree Im getting quite bored of steven too

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm not bored of Steven. I don't believe I could ever get bored of him. Since he is now a regular he can't have huge storylines all the time nor can he do all the dhakes etc all the time. It's true that though he is not fully well they have marginalised him and normalised things a bit so as to focus on other storylines more. I am bored of Ian though.

[Chris_2k11]

Why did Dawn ignore Carly? i didnt get that bit

[Abbie]

Why did Dawn ignore Carly? i didnt get that bit

when did that happen?:searchme:

[Chris_2k11]

it showed Dawn walking across the road and Carly shouted hi or something and she just blanked her :S

[Joanne]

Steven hasn't got a good word to say to anyone but can't take it when anything is said back to him. When Pat asked him why he smashed up his own stall he claimed it was to get Ian to notice him. Well, he certainly did that but what did he achieve by it? Where did it get him?

I really hope he is going to be a short term character like May and Stella both were.

I didn't get the bit with Dawn and Carly either. :searchme:

[JustJodi]

I've been finding EE quite boring this past week. I'm bored of Steven and his attitude now. He is very unlikeable to just about everyone, even people he barely knows. :lweek:

Another glimpse of the guilty camcorder. It is funny that everyone seems to watch little snippets of them on honeymoon and no one ever thinks to rewind entirely and watch it.

How come my camcorder doesn't run that long,,, if I remember correctly they did not have the power adapter with them ...then magically bradley gives it to Max.......... :wall:
I was as bored as u were Florijo........I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop :lol:

[JustJodi]

Why did Dawn ignore Carly? i didnt get that bit


I didn't get it either,, when did those two have a falling out ??? Surely not over Jase ??

[tammyy2j]

Billy's job as an elf :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes i didn't understand why Dan blanked Carly, after all they are best friends aren't they

So the club will be called R&R

Poor Deano getting beat up and picked on by bullies in prison maybe he was practicing his dance moves

[Perdita]

Billy's job as an elf :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Poor Deano getting beat up and picked on by bullies in prison maybe he was practicing his dance moves

:lol: :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl:

[*-Rooney-*]

Billy's job as an elf :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Poor Deano getting beat up and picked on by bullies in prison maybe he was practicing his dance moves

:lol: :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl:

im sorry but deano, dance moves is there meant to be some connection???????

[Perdita]

[
im sorry but deano, dance moves is there meant to be some connection???????[/QUOTE]


He is currently taking part in "Strictly Come Dancing" :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

I loved those Kevin/Darren scenes in the car yesterday, they were fantastic. I hope Kevin finds another job rather than sell stolen cars. He doesn't have to tell Denise that he sold a stolen car to a policeman and then torched it - he can just say that Phil told him to sell stolen cars or that he would be fired so he chose to quit.

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

:eek: What?! *Spoiler alert* lol.. I never knew that.. Omg wow..

[Lizzie Brookes]

I loved those Kevin/Darren scenes in the car yesterday, they were fantastic. I hope Kevin finds another job rather than sell stolen cars. He doesn't have to tell Denise that he sold a stolen car to a policeman and then torched it - he can just say that Phil told him to sell stolen cars or that he would be fired so he chose to quit.



Mmm - why not put that in spoiler tags?

[Siobhan]

FYI.. whether something is common knowledge on other parts of the boards or in newspaper, some people do not read them so please even if it is everywhere and has not come up in the CURRENT episode of EE, always always use the spoiler tags...

[tammyy2j]

Whats Phil up to with the Club and Carlot?

Poor Kevin, i liked the scenes with him and Darren.

Does Denise really expect everyone to be worried or care about Chelesa after all she did.

[Siobhan]

Whats Phil up to with the Club and Carlot?



What is up with Phil full stop??? did he have a brain transplant when he went away? He comes back to dealing in dodgy cars and sabotaging the club??
He is not even pretending at the hard man.. he is just plain petty!!!

[JustJodi]

my partner was on the PC and listening to EE,, his head went up, and turned and said,,,IS PHIL GOING BACK TO HIS THIEVING WAYS,, this was about the same time Kevin looked Phil in the eye and said HONOUR AMONG THIEVES ???:hmm:
As Siobhan said hes just being plain petty !!!! I think he is just plain bored, cos the Vic is running fine, the Arches, the car lot, so now he wants to be part of the club and the 2 R's wanna do it themselves,, I think he is feeling left out :lol: BTW where the heck is BEN ??Surely he is not going to school with Courtney in Brazil ( where ever Grant is at )

Hmmmmmmmmmm has no one wondered when the DVD of the WEDDING is going to come out ????:searchme:

[Perdita]

: BTW where the heck is BEN ??Surely he is not going to school with Courtney in Brazil ( where ever Grant is at )

Hmmmmmmmmmm has no one wondered when the DVD of the WEDDING is going to come out ????:searchme:



Did Grant and Courtney not go off to Portugal? :searchme:

[Joanne]

: BTW where the heck is BEN ??Surely he is not going to school with Courtney in Brazil ( where ever Grant is at )

Hmmmmmmmmmm has no one wondered when the DVD of the WEDDING is going to come out ????:searchme:



Did Grant and Courtney not go off to Portugal? :searchme:

Yes they did.

[JustJodi]

Thanks u guys are right it was Portugal,, I just couldn't remember,,Ok so is Ben still in Portugal sunning his buns ?? LOL:lol:

[Joanne]

Thanks u guys are right it was Portugal,, I just couldn't remember,,Ok so is Ben still in Portugal sunning his buns ?? LOL:lol:


Who Knows!! He only started secondary school in September didn't he? I don't think he's put a full week in.

[Florijo]

To be honest I don't really care where Ben is. I can't stand the whiny brat! :ninja:

I hope Phil locked him in the cupboard upstairs and he'll come out in a few years time with a new head

[Joanne]

Bit of a nothing episode for me tonight, but 2 questions:

Why has Pat suddenly got a problem with Denise?

Would Roxy really be allowed to take her dog into a hospital?

[JustJodi]

JoanneBit of a nothing episode for me tonight, but 2 questions:

Why has Pat suddenly got a problem with Denise?

I just think it is cause it was Chelsa that caused the upheavel in the Wicks family:searchme:

Would Roxy really be allowed to take her dog into a hospital?

no she wouldn't be allowed for sure..unless the dog was a seeing eye dog or a working dog for the disabled.. and we know the only disability Roxy has is her brain :lol:

[Dutchgirl]

To be honest I don't really care where Ben is. I can't stand the whiny brat! :ninja:

I hope Phil locked him in the cupboard upstairs and he'll come out in a few years time with a new head
Maybe that is what they are playing at an older Ben with good looks, like they did with Peter Beale.

Just saw the omnibus, Phil is getting annoying and bullying again.
Oh and where has Honey left her thinking hat( cap?). I know she is not much of a brain, but letting Billy sleep and miss his job is beyond me.:searchme:

[LostVoodoo]

[quote=Florijo;543696]
Oh and where has Honey left her thinking hat( cap?). I know she is not much of a brain, but letting Billy sleep and miss his job is beyond me.:searchme:

i'm more worried about the fact that their benefits got cancelled and they seem to be doing nothing about it! i work in local government and local councils have places such as Welfare Rights where you can go and have it all explained to you, they can help you apply for things etc for free. i know the BBC wouldn't want to portray them as scroungers, but ffs they have a disabled child and they're apparently penniless!

[Lizzie Brookes]

Good episode tonight. Aaron was brilliant as usual. I know Steven is desperate to apologise but Luicy is right - these things take time. Looks like Tanya knows everything. The problem is Jane thinks he had the gun all along and he brought his own gun and intended to use it and Steven won't say anything because he ptomised Lucy he wouldn't and he doesn't want to get her into trouble. He should have stayed away of course and it was out of order to take his anger out on poor Dot but even I found it hard when Jane said about how her life had been destroyed so i know how unbearable Steven muist have found that - the guilt and the torment and himtelling her to stop saying that - I'm glad Lucy tended to his hand after he spilt the coffee though he shouldn't have stolen, well "borrowed" her keys. Tanya's ight - what he did was criminal but it was accidental and he wasn't well. I really think Lucy should tell the truth about the gun - it's not fair otherwise - they are both responsible in a way as Steven would never have got the gun if Lucy hadn't given it him - I ca\n't wait for tomorrow.

[*-Rooney-*]

i wonder if it will ever come out that the gun originally came from lucy only days before the shooting, and she is partly to blame

[Lizzie Brookes]

i wonder if it will ever come out that the gun originally came from lucy only days before the shooting, and she is partly to blame

I hope so. If I were Lucy I couldn't conceal that. It isn't fair. It's not entirely Steven's fault. It was unfortunate that the gun ended up in his hand and remember he tried to commit suicide with it - nothing else. It was only when Ian, Lucy and Jane jumped on it that it went off. I cringed a bit myself when Jane mentioned all her pysical suffering as I don't like hearing stuff like that but it must be ten times worse for Steven given that he's responsible for it in part but since Lucy gave him the gun they are both equally to blame. I'm sure Ian and Jane wouldn't be angry at Lucy - she didn't know Steven was unhinged and she did what was natural - giving her brother Craig's gun and asking him to get rid of it. She had no idea what it would lead to.

[tammyy2j]

Does Lucy feel any remorse for what happened Jane since it is her fault as well as Stevens. I can believe she gave him the keys to the house. I feel for Jane i'd leave Ian and his annoying brats of kids if i were her. I hope Ian and Jane find out about Lucy and the gun soon.

BTW how does Tanya know, did Jane tell her?

What flat is Jack leaving in an old or a new flat?

As usual Heather was brillant i'm loving her character

[JustJodi]

Does Lucy feel any remorse for what happened Jane since it is her fault as well as Stevens. I can believe she gave him the keys to the house. I feel for Jane i'd leave Ian and his annoying brats of kids if i were her. I hope Ian and Jane find out about Lucy and the gun soon.

BTW how does Tanya know, did Jane tell her?

What flat is Jack leaving in an old or a new flat?

As usual Heather was brillant i'm loving her character

Tammy Lucy did not give Steven the keys to the house, he nicked them out of her back pack,, she just said that to keep things from getting worse,,
Yes Jane told Tanya every thing..
That looks like Sharons old flat doesn't it ???

[Lizzie Brookes]

Does Lucy feel any remorse for what happened Jane since it is her fault as well as Stevens. I can believe she gave him the keys to the house. I feel for Jane i'd leave Ian and his annoying brats of kids if i were her. I hope Ian and Jane find out about Lucy and the gun soon.

BTW how does Tanya know, did Jane tell her?

What flat is Jack leaving in an old or a new flat?

As usual Heather was brillant i'm loving her character

He nicked the keys from her bag but she covered for him by saying that he used her keys. Maybe she oes - I don't know. She must know it is pasrtly her fault. She wasn't in the room when Jane accused Steven of having the gun all along and asked what he intended to do or I am sure she would have said. Mum said it was very noble of Steven not to drop Lucy in it and I agree. I hope Lucy says. Steven's too desperate to apologise and make amends though. Lucy is right in saying these things take time.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I liked tonight's episode. Jase was quite decent. He saw that Roxy wasn't herself and refused to take advantage until she kissed him properly and he responded. Steven handled the situation with that French girl well in the same way a few weeks ago. Ronnie had a point when she said that everything had to be about Roxy. Roxy is a bit spoilt and selfishbut her heart's inthe right place. There is definitely a park between Jack and Ronnie and though Jack did wrong I'd like it if they got together.

[CrazyLea]

I still really hate Ronnie and Roxy. Particularly Roxy. She's so annoying and spoilt and gahhhhh just can't stand her! Ronnie is growing on me slightly. But only a little.

Tonight's episode was rubbish.

[Johnny Allen]

I liked tonights episode, but then I love the characters of Roxy and Ronnie. Im looking forward to finding out what happened between them, Ronnie seriously flipped out and gave her sister a seeing too, cant wait to find out why.

[Siobhan]

OMG how selfish is Roxy.. it is all me me me!!! I don't know how she got the glass in her chin but she can't make ronnie pay for it for the rest of her life??? come on.. did she really expect half the club for a measly 500 quid investment? she goes and buys stuff for herself and still expects more!!! and then to top it off she goes to seduce Jase cause she needs reassurance

I am guess (so this is not a spoiler) that the whole "you did have something and look what happen there" suitation with roxy and ronnie has to do with a guy.. I am guessing Ronnie was happy, ready to settle down and Roxy stole the guy.. cause I really can see her doing that

Oh and hang on.. how is Phil shafted in this???? he has no stake in the club, he has nothing to do with it at all.. Ronnie can do what she likes, it is not a MITCHELL club, it is hers.. I would have told them all to bugger off!!!

Overall, I really really like this episode!!

[JustJodi]

Lets form a line to slap the poo poo outta Roxy, shes like a spoiled child..I had to laugh she said she invested 500 pounds in the club, she might have paid for a weeks worth of booze and some mixers with that "princely sum".:rolleyes:
I think Phil is put out cos HE WAS NOT INVOLVED, and boy was he reeling when he found out that Peggy bankrupted her own savings on remodeling and the cruise etc ..and now owes Ronnie money or was it Jack ...Phil is up to something and I am SURE it isn't above board and legal.
I am seriously falling in :wub: with Jase LOL He is adorable ..I would love to see him all clean shaven,, I bet he cleans up nice :D
I hope that EE does not pair him up with Roxy, I would much rather see him with Dawn,,at least hes a single dad and knows something about parenting,, Roxy is too busy with HERSELF ..and would probably try to come between Jase and Jay:hmm:

Anyway it was one of the better episodes...

[Bryan]

Fantastic episode last night! Brilliant acting all around!

Just goes to show why the Mitchells are the best family on the show. Ronnie and Roxy are probably one of the best additions to the show in years.

What is Jase playing at getting with Roxy!? She blatantly used him! Poor Dawn!

[tammyy2j]

Alright episode i'm glad we are finding out more about Ronnie and Roxy. I prefer Roxy/Jase than Dawn/Jase. How did Phil get shafted?

[Bryan]

Oh and hang on.. how is Phil shafted in this???? he has no stake in the club, he has nothing to do with it at all.. Ronnie can do what she likes, it is not a MITCHELL club, it is hers.. I would have told them all to bugger off!!!

By the club opening at 7pm it's draining the profits at the Vic. Ronnie originally agreed to Peggy and Phil that it'd open later, so as not to clash with the other family buisness. Seen as she's gone back on this promise, Phil feels cheated, plus he has an issue with her going into partnership with an ex copper. You know how pathetic the Mitchell morals are, it doesn't take much to annoy Phil.

[Siobhan]

Oh and hang on.. how is Phil shafted in this???? he has no stake in the club, he has nothing to do with it at all.. Ronnie can do what she likes, it is not a MITCHELL club, it is hers.. I would have told them all to bugger off!!!

By the club opening at 7pm it's draining the profits at the Vic. Ronnie originally agreed to Peggy and Phil that it'd open later, so as not to clash with the other family buisness. Seen as she's gone back on this promise, Phil feels cheated, plus he has an issue with her going into partnership with an ex copper. You know how pathetic the Mitchell morals are, it doesn't take much to annoy Phil.

Thanks for clearing that up... I thought he was annoyed cause he didn't get a share in it cause I assume that is what all the messy about before the opening was about.. showing ronnie and roxy that they need him to be part of the club thus him having a stake

[JustJodi]

Actually it is about time that Phil has a new enemy other than his normal punching bag Ian..I think it will be interesting watching him and Jack.:ninja:

[*-Rooney-*]

phil is really annoying me since he got back, the way he treated kevin and jase. then the way he went off at peggy, she should have told him al the reasons she was that much in debt - his wedding, then the holiday after the wedding drama, then after the drinking it is all his fault but oh no she is just stupid.

Cant wait to find out exactly what ronnie is hiding, she gave roxy quiet a whack.

Dawn is getting on my nerves her obsession about jase, she had her chance and threw him out of the house, without a chance to explain, although it was funny when she thought a guy had been staring at her all night, and it was actually a woman

[Perdita]

Lets form a line to slap the poo poo outta Roxy, shes like a spoiled child..I had to laugh she said she invested 500 pounds in the club, she might have paid for a weeks worth of booze and some mixers with that "princely sum".:rolleyes:
I think Phil is put out cos HE WAS NOT INVOLVED, and boy was he reeling when he found out that Peggy bankrupted her own savings on remodeling and the cruise etc ..and now owes Ronnie money or was it Jack ...Phil is up to something and I am SURE it isn't above board and legal.
I am seriously falling in :wub: with Jase LOL He is adorable ..I would love to see him all clean shaven,, I bet he cleans up nice :D
I hope that EE does not pair him up with Roxy, I would much rather see him with Dawn,,at least hes a single dad and knows something about parenting,, Roxy is too busy with HERSELF ..and would probably try to come between Jase and Jay:hmm:

Anyway it was one of the better episodes...

Since when has something making sense ever been applied in soapland? But I do agree with your comments. :)

[DaVeyWaVey]

Watched Eastenders Monday and Tuesday for the first time in about 2 months - quite enjoyed the episodes. Ronnie and Roxy's episode yesterday was really enjoyable, and I think Ronnie is becoming a very interesting and complex character especially with this secret she has. I'm loving Ronnie and Roxy - they are both brilliant.

Jack also seems a good character (and the actor is very yum!) ... The Phil/Peggy scenes were good last night too - nice to see some good old Mitchell drama. :D

[Lizzie Brookes]

I am waiting on tenterhooks for tonight. I hope the day goes reallty fast. I'm glad in a way I have a lecture from 3-4 at uni because it will be about 5.30 or 6.00 when I return home and so less long to wait.

[parkerman]

Crickey, Lizzie...wishing your days away so you can see a soap? Get a grip! :lol:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Crickey, Lizzie...wishing your days away so you can see a soap? Get a grip! :lol:

Hey Parkerman - it's not as bad as that. It's just today and tomorrow's episodes are really exciting so I can't wait that's all. Of course I'm not wishing the day away so I can watch EastEnders. That'd be daft. lol.

[CrazyLea]

Crickey, Lizzie...wishing your days away so you can see a soap? Get a grip!

I thought you put that rather meanily lol. I look forward to watching tv shows too.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Brilliant episode. Aaron was brilliant as usual but tomorrow will be even better. It was a bit childish of Lucy to invite Steven merely because she wanted to annoy Ian but I'm glad she did. He is her half brother, whatever he'ss done. I understand Ian's anger but he should copy Jane and just give him the silent treatment. Smashing the snow globe was unecessarily cruel. I'm glad he didn't pour the petrol on himself but only around the garage. The soap magazines exaggerate thesethings a bit. It would have been too shocking if he covered himself in the petrol too. Bradley probably thought he was just being rufe but I think Stacey saw that he didn't even seem to be aware of her and Bradley - just on a single track mind and when se saw him breaking into the garage she knew something was wrong. I'm glad she went. I am sorry for Steven and i understand the importance of the snow globe to him because I value objects of sentimental value too and though Pat told Ianhe was twice the dad Simon was it is true that Stevenshould keep his head down and stay out of the way till things have calmed down. In Monday's episode it was noble of him not to betray Lucy hen Jane asked awkward questions about the gun. I do hope he doesn't do anything stupid. I am definitely watching the repeat at 10 today and tomorrow. I only do that whenits a really good storyline.

[CrazyLea]

It looked as though Ian was starting to warm to Steven, but obviously not haha!

Good episode - the Beales stuff anyway.

Peter and Lauren :wub: bless them :p.

[Joanne]

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

Well we all have different readings of the same thing. I doubt Phil would guess though. He doesn't know much about Steven and will probably think kids are messing around as usual. I still think it was unecessarily cruel to smash that snow globe - Ian could at least just have flatly reused to give it to the twins. The snow globe wasn't doing anyone any harm. I agree he shouldn't have done that to Stacey's clothes but he sounds a bit paranoid - saying everyone is laughing at him - Jean understands him ery well. I don't think a punching from Phil would help Stevem much. He clearly broke into the arches (which was obviously wrong) in order to kill himself. I can't condone what he has done, he has to be given some kind of silent treatment or other punishment for it but I can't help pitying him as well.

[Johnny Allen]

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

Me too Ian's always been best when he's cruel, and that was classic Ian Beale. Cant say I blame him though, Steven and Pat are stupid to think Ian should give him another chance, If someone stalked me for weeks and weeks, locked me up and then shot my wife I would have done alot worse to him then what Ian's doing. I wish Tanya had said something, she's not one to mince her words she would have put him firmly in his place.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Ian told Tanya not to interfere. Besides apart from being a supportive friend to Jane she shouldn't do anything - it's not her concern. I can't blame Ian for being angry of course because he was stalked and held hostage though I accept that Steven was unwell at the time which would explain though not excuse his behaviour. The gunshot was accidental - that is definite. He would never diliberately shoot anyone - even when he was messed up he just wouldn't. I am sorry for him and I am glad Pat and Lucy are there for him and it was noble of him not to tell Ian and Jane Lucy gave him Craig's gun but I still think he should keep his head down and stay out of Ian and Jane's way - that's the least he can do until things have calmed down. I hope Stacey manages to save him though because I can see that he is desperate.

[Siobhan]

Steven is still unwell!!! thrown stacey clothes over cause of a joke and pour petrol all over the garage.. how is he any better now then he was when he kidnapped and stalked Ian?

[Lizzie Brookes]

Steven is still unwell!!! thrown stacey clothes over cause of a joke and pour petrol all over the garage.. how is he any better now then he was when he kidnapped and stalked Ian?

I agree that he is not fully well and that it was a bad move on his part to o off his medication but the clinic has definitely improved him slightly because at least he no longer shakes in that violent way and as far as I can see he no longer throws up aftereating or has difficulty sleeping like he admitted he did before. He also admitted that he was deluded before and accepts that Ian is not responsible for his mum's death in prison.

[Pinkbanana]

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

Me too Ian's always been best when he's cruel, and that was classic Ian Beale. Cant say I blame him though, Steven and Pat are stupid to think Ian should give him another chance, If someone stalked me for weeks and weeks, locked me up and then shot my wife I would have done alot worse to him then what Ian's doing. I wish Tanya had said something, she's not one to mince her words she would have put him firmly in his place.

I totally agree with you. :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

What Stacey said to Steven - "Steven, what are you doing? Trashing my stall is one thing but breaking into Phl's garage is another. What's the matter with you? Have you got a death wish or something?"

Well - I'm curious. Did she mean that last sentence metaphorically or literally?

To elaborate we all know what Phil is like - hard man, scary etc but of course even Phil would see Steven's not in his right mind - well anyway. Did she mean "Have you got a death wish or something?" in a metaphorical way as in we know Phil would probably kill anyone who broke into one of his buisinesses and so anyone getting on the wrong side of him must have a death wish or something to do so.

Or, seeing him pouring petrol all over the place...did she mean it literally as in "Are you trying to kill yourself?"

[Pinkbanana]

To elaborate we all know what Phil is like - hard man, scary etc but of course even Phil would see Steven's not in his right mind - well anyway.

Phil would only be concerned with his garage - he's not going to be understanding at all about Steven pouring petrol all over his place and stood there with a match - the last think he will be thinking, if he finds out it is - poor Steven. Phil wil probably be thinking I'm going to kill him for the damage he has done - not everybody sees Steven in the way you do!