Current Episode Discussion VI

[alan45]

if Pat's sister is still alive that would be a really good storyline for them to explore, show a new side to Pat.

But I'm sure I read somewhere that most people with Downs Syndrome dont survive past their 30s due to a weakened immune system, if she was older than Pat, then she'd be in her 60s/70s, so would she really still be alive?

We have a man who lives in our village who is in his 50's has Downs. Things have progressed a long way...


Today - Life expectancy for people with Down’s syndrome was 57 years in 1997 with babies born today likely to enjoy a healthy life of sixty years and longer. Much of the improvement can be attributed to better access to health care. However, the 1999 launch of the Down’s Syndrome Association’s Health Alert campaign and the 2002 launch of its web-site training resource for health professionals, are both in response to continuing discrimination and lack of knowledge amongst some health professionals.

From: http://www.downs-syndrome.org.uk/DSA_detPressRelease.aspx?pr=3
I have an Aunt with Downs who just had her 68th Birthday last week.

[alan45]

The Pat and Len scenes were a bit contrived. Typical soap with Pat just finding the paperwork for Joan as they had to get out of the building. Corny and contrived but no different than any other soap would have done it.

Im glad to see Pat has got a decent storyline at last and a good person to act with in Christopher Elison (Big Frank Burnside). Lets just hope the curse doesnt get him as it did the other characters who made the move from Sun Hill.

As for most of the rest of the week away it was faily poor. Minty and Gary:nono: Gary and Dawn :nono: Minty to become Garrys stepdad:rotfl:

Lets hope its not too long until Len returns to Albert Square then maybe I will find it worth watching again. Christopher Elison and Scott Maslen may if allowed to develop their characters help EE boost its audience. Just as long as they are not sidelined when some luvvie decides to turn it into the Mitchell show again or even worse Miss Piggy makes one of her sensational returns:moonie:

[Siobhan]

I love the friendship with Shirley and Heather. Really enjoyed the scene with Pat and Len but I found the whole Minty proprosal a bit too Friends.. the one after rachel had the baby and Joey "kinda" proposed.. same thing happened here

[Dutchgirl]

Just saw the omnibus, I really enjoyed the whole week away.
Pat and Len superb, now I understand why she felt for Honey and Billy, nice that she was happy and married, the photo brought tears in my eyes for Pat.:(

Dawn and Gary OK. Good that Dawn finally takes to Summer.

Heather and Shirley were very touching, especially how Shirley cares about Heather. How can people be that horrible I just cannot understand. Poor Heather.

Minty found a nice woman, good for him.:thumbsup:
On the whole a 9 out of 10.:clap:

[di marco]

I love the friendship with Shirley and Heather. Really enjoyed the scene with Pat and Len but I found the whole Minty proprosal a bit too Friends.. the one after rachel had the baby and Joey "kinda" proposed.. same thing happened here

i agree, i just knew it was going to happen when minty picked up the ring :rolleyes:

[StarsOfCCTV]

Stacey and Chelsea's slapping fight, everyone got poisened (sp?) by Beale's fish, Moe crushing Charlie's veg :rotfl: Laughed all the way through that episode :rotfl:

[Joanne]

Good episode tonight.

There's definately a dark side to Jase. He backed down and made J apologise to Patrick but that wasn't his immediate reaction. Didn't like the way he said "we've been here before" - I'm now thinking it could well have been him that attacked Patrick a few weeks ago.

I still much prefer Ronnie to Roxy, infact I found Roxy quite annoying in parts tonight.

[LostVoodoo]

that smack that Chelsea gave Stacey was amazing!

[Siobhan]

I love Ronnie, she is better than Roxy.. it was nice to get an insight into the two girls... suprise when damien showed up!!!
Really good last night, proper whack Chelsea gave Stacey.. I am surpised Stacey didn't get the better of her. And Ian with his trophy :rotfl::rotfl: "we have the moral victory" yeah right Ian

[DaVeyWaVey]

Typical Ian with that trophy! :rolleyes:

The Mitchell sister stuff was good, and i also prefer Ronnie to Roxy - Ronnie reminds me of Sam Mitchell so much! Nice cliffhanger with Damien showing up..

Chelsea gave Stacey one hell of a slap! :eek: Nice to see Jean back on the scene, but Bradley's fake cramp was cringeworthy but quite funny too! :D

[tammyy2j]

Ok episode i really thought Stacey would have been able to hammer/batter Chelesa but it was other way round she really did hit her hard. Ian as usual was a pillock. Yes i like Ronnie more than Roxy, Damian looks like a right nerd

[Bryan]

I'm liking the show more and more by each episode, it's getting really good again now. Good mix of comedy and drama, and I love all the characters atm even the Beales! Keep up the good work Enders! :D

[Katy]

Lucy Beale, what a child, with the fish today had me in stitches. Loving ronnie and Roxy even more. Found the scenes with Ian hilarious. It is really good at the minute. The look on Seans face was pure evil when he saw the picture of Deano beaten up.

[LostVoodoo]

the sean and jean slater issues raise their ugly head again...god there's something creepy there...

[StarsOfCCTV]

Sean and Jean in the prison made me laugh the way she was saying he was just like her and he was getting more and more wound up :p

Great episode :D

Recognised Damien from somewhere...it's annoying me, anybody know what's he been in? :p :hmm:

[Richie_lecturer]

I'm fairly sure it was the Omen films...

[JustJodi]

I'm fairly sure it was the Omen films...


Hee hee hee.. verrrrrrrrrry good Richie :rotfl: Which version ?? The old one or the remake :p

[Siobhan]

How funny was the look on Ian face when Roxy kissed him :rotfl::rotfl:

Loved they way the set Damien up last night.. it was classic and Lucy telling Ronnie that Ian told her to batter the fish :rotfl:

Sean was scary with his mum and who does Chelsea think she is.. she wants totally control over Deano... I really am not liking her one bit..

[tammyy2j]

So did Ronnie and Damian have a thing? I kinda thought so.

[Siobhan]

So did Ronnie and Damian have a thing? I kinda thought so.

I don't know.. he said they did but she said "oh come on Roxy, you knew he would pull that one".. maybe they did and that is why she hates him so much

[Johnny Allen]

Sean and Jean in the prison made me laugh the way she was saying he was just like her and he was getting more and more wound up :p

Great episode :D

Recognised Damien from somewhere...it's annoying me, anybody know what's he been in? :p :hmm:

He was in Holbyblue as the staff sergeant. Loved the episodes so far, Chelsea and Stacey's fight was good stuff, proper hit by Chelsea I couldnt stop laughing. Oh and nice to see more of those Mitchell sisters and Ian dragged into their plan. Been really funny this week.

[Dutchgirl]

the sean and jean slater issues raise their ugly head again...god there's something creepy there...
I've been thinking the same all along. There is something really bad between them.

[Kim]

So did Ronnie and Damian have a thing? I kinda thought so.

I don't know.. he said they did but she said "oh come on Roxy, you knew he would pull that one".. maybe they did and that is why she hates him so much

I got the impression that she hated him as she knows he's been cheating on Roxy, which we know he has as in Roxy said she wasn't sure about ditching him because he might have changed, before Ronnie brought up the cheating.


Didn't like the way he said "we've been here before"

I thought that by that he meant The Truemans' overreacting, because he didn't seem to think it that much of a big deal when Jay was racist toward Yolande.

One thing I'm wondering though, is why Roxy would have gone to Ian's chip van anyway. With everything she and Ronnie were doing with the menus, rats and reporting Ian to try and get him out of business, and then she goes and buys some fish and chips to contribute to his profits. Personally, I would have thought that she would rather starve.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

I quite enjoyed tuesdays episode, loved the fact Garry has gone to live with Gus
, loved Ian's face after Roxy kissed him :rotfl: and nice touch with Lucy saying it was all Ian's idea with the fish :lol:

Did anyone think the funday seemed a bit random, wouldn't it have been mentioned before instead of just happening

[*-Rooney-*]

yeah i thought it was very random that the funday hadnt even been mentioned beforehand at least once yet somehow even jean slater knew about it (even though stacey didnt want her there)

[Chris_2k11]

Nice to see the vic playing the best song out at the moment :cool: :D

[Siobhan]

Why is Deano not forgiven Carly.. she made a mistake and he knows that he is lying. Ok her boyfriend had him beaten up but he framed sean for attempted murder.. I would be right peed off if someone set me up. Deano knows it wasn't him and Carly apologised (even though it is not her that did it, she just believed in her boyfriend) so why isn't deano forgiven her??

And what up with Carly anyways... Sean beat Deano up, ok, deano framed him but now Carly, who know sean is innocent (or at least believe it all along) now wants him locked up forever... weird girl

[Katy]

Peggy had a bit of a shock when she returned, i wonder where Phil is though i dont think she told the truth when she said he was staying on a bit longer. Ian and theb oarding school idea was so typical i think i'd have lost patience a while ago if i were Jane.

[tammyy2j]

I can't wait for everyone to find out about Deano and Chelesa lying :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Deano should forgive Carly he is lying after all. I hope Chelesa gets beaten up or killed she is such an annoying awful character. I'm loving Minty and Garry's mum a funny couple.

[JustJodi]

I think Caryl is just plain weird,,Sean just lost himself an ally..now all he has left is Stacy..
Actually I am surprised Sean has any outside thugs to do his dirty work,,
Help me here,, WHY DOES DEANO HATE SEAN SO MUCH ?? I mean it has gone on long before Sean was messed up with Chelsa,,so does it have any thing to do when Deano tried to attack Stacey and Deano blamed it on Bradley ??
As for Chelsa,, I couldn't care less if Sean came in and hung her from the rafters by her thumbs,,She doesnt want Deano but she doesn't want Deano tearing down her fabricated story about Sean, so she tries to keep him sweet..grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:angry:
I felt bad for Libby,,, I did not know that the guy playing Darren was leaving the show for good ??

[JustJodi]

I can't wait for everyone to find out about Deano and Chelesa lying :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Deano should forgive Carly he is lying after all. I hope Chelesa gets beaten up or killed she is such an annoying awful character. I'm loving Minty and Garry's mum a funny couple.


What makes you so sure that EVERY ONE is gonna find out that Dean and Chels lied ??:searchme:

[Siobhan]

Me either Jodi.. I though Darren was coming back and I really wanted the knock on the door to be Darren and not Shirley... Poor Libby, she doesn't deserve this

[parkerman]

Why is Deano not forgiven Carly.. she made a mistake and he knows that he is lying. Ok her boyfriend had him beaten up but he framed sean for attempted murder.. I would be right peed off if someone set me up. Deano knows it wasn't him and Carly apologised (even though it is not her that did it, she just believed in her boyfriend) so why isn't deano forgiven her??

And what up with Carly anyways... Sean beat Deano up, ok, deano framed him but now Carly, who know sean is innocent (or at least believe it all along) now wants him locked up forever... weird girl
I think Deano is just feeling guilty; that's why he can't speak to Carly properly.

As for Carly, I did have the same initial thoughts as you, but on reflection. Sean did have her brother beaten up, so you could see why that might not go down too well with her.

[Siobhan]

I think Deano is just feeling guilty; that's why he can't speak to Carly properly.

As for Carly, I did have the same initial thoughts as you, but on reflection. Sean did have her brother beaten up, so you could see why that might not go down too well with her.


I understand that but think about it.. some guy beats your brother up, ok walk away as his ally but you don't put yourself in danger by saying you are going to help keep him locked up!! that is just madness!!!
And you know your brother is lying and got a beating, are you going to go down the same route?

[Timalay]

It looks like it was Craig that whacked Patrick,

[StarsOfCCTV]

It does..

Ian in that school interview was hilarious :rotfl: that posh accent was so bad :rotfl:

[DaVeyWaVey]

:rotfl: Ian in that interview was so funny with his posh accent and how he lied about Lucy about not being able to make it "Oh Lucinder has a chello lesson" :D

Looks like Craig attacked Patrick...

[Timalay]

At the end of the day lets face it was pretty obvious is was Craig

[Abbie]

Okay I feel really stupid, I havent watched Eastenders for a while now, well Ive caught little bits, but im confused, is Phil on the run or something cos he did admit to killing stella!!!

[JustJodi]

Abbie I have no clue as to why he is gone, NO HE IS NOT ON THE RUN,, they already know Phil did not KILL Stella (CCTV evidence proved that ) I think he is probably off some where licking his wounds and feeling like a MUG :D

[Abbie]

Oh right, well im kinda gald that he didnt kill her, it was too, well I dunno. Hmm so its very strange to where he is, but thanks for clearing that up

[Richie_lecturer]

I can't wait for everyone to find out about Deano and Chelesa lying :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Deano should forgive Carly he is lying after all. I hope Chelesa gets beaten up or killed she is such an annoying awful character.

I agree. Kill them both off. I'm not advocating violence, but Deano's had it coming...

[Dutchgirl]

Lucy better watch out, being involved with such nutter.:hmm:

[Kim]

I think she might not mind if she were to find out to a certain extent, because it would really get at Ian to worry that he might turn violent with Lucy.

[JustJodi]

Lucy better watch out, being involved with such nutter.:hmm:

Lucy seems to be attracted to the BAD BOY type..and I think she gets excited when Craig does something bad,, Lucy is her mothers daughter :searchme:

[Kim]

Definitely. I didn't believe her when she told Patrick that she was dared to attempt to rob alcohol from the minute mart. Announcing that she wanted to get drunk like she did really did sound like Cindy, too.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I always suspected it was Craig who attacked Patrick and so it urned out to be. It was clever, the way they did it - showing Craig on CCTV with that hood on and finally him standing up in the hood to meet Lucy. I din't think Catly knows at the momentthat Deano and Chelsea lied about Sean - Sean as god as admitted that he had Deano beatenup from jail and so she assumes it is more likely he attacked Patrick even though we know he didn't. I didn't actually think they would show the attack - I just thought they would show Kevin looking shocked and we wouldn't find out who the real culprit was until next week or so.

Sean still shouldn't have done that - two wrongs don't make a right and he's being totally selfish. I hope Carly and Lucy both dump Sean and Craig - one is a selfish loser and the other a nutcase. I can't wait to see what Kevin will do about all this. Looks like the masrter plan was Chelsea's and Deano just went along with it. I know he treated her badly but that is no reason to put an innocent man in prison and allow the real culprit to get away with it.

[Joanne]

Yes, I thought as well that we would just see kevin watching the CCTV video and then walking around with a pained/worried/angst expression on his face for the next few days whilst we were left wondering who he had seen attack Patrick. I'm so glad that didn't happen!

[di marco]

Yes, I thought as well that we would just see kevin watching the CCTV video and then walking around with a pained/worried/angst expression on his face for the next few days whilst we were left wondering who he had seen attack Patrick. I'm so glad that didn't happen!

i thought that was going to happen too. i knew it was going to be craig that attacked patrick, i wonder if lucy knows it was him. wonder what carly says when she finds out

[Kim]

I've just done the weekly quiz on the EastEnders website. It asked how many GCSE's Libby passed but I thought she got 8A*'s, 2A's and a B which is eleven, and yet that was not an option.

[parkerman]

Yes, that's what I thought she said.

[Siobhan]

I loved the scene with Ian at the boarding school.. "our Lucinda":rotfl::rotfl:
and woman when he offered her a donation "there is no donation big enough to have up put with YOU until she graduates".... It was so funny

[Katy]

That was the best bit of the episode, i love Ian he is such a prat. Thenwhen he arived home he made out that the school wasn't good enough.

[Dutchgirl]

Lucy seems to be attracted to the BAD BOY type..and I think she gets excited when Craig does something bad,, Lucy is her mothers daughter :searchme: [/B]

I'm sorry to have never seen her mum, I started watching in 2000. But from which I gather she was quiet a piece of work.

[Lizzie Brookes]

By the way, what makes Ian think Craig is no good? I mean he has no idea Craig keeps a pistol in his car glove compartment or that Ceraig attacked Patrick which is what makes us know that he is a nutcase but as Ian doesn't know all of that, why doeshe object? I mean for allhe knows Craig may have been a nice guy although we know he is not.

[Suzanne]

By the way, what makes Ian think Craig is no good? I mean he has no idea Craig keeps a pistol in his car glove compartment or that Ceraig attacked Patrick which is what makes us know that he is a nutcase but as Ian doesn't know all of that, why doeshe object? I mean for allhe knows Craig may have been a nice guy although we know he is not.

I think it's because Craig is 18 years old, an adult, and Lucy is 13 years old and still a child. Ian didn't have a problem with Craig until he found out that Craig was seeing Lucy and the fact that Craig had condoms.

[Dutchgirl]

Well he did warn Craig and give him money to stay away, so I understand that Ian flew off the handle. He blames Craig for Lucy's misbehaving doesn't he.

[Katy]

Ians just looking after his little girl i really thought he was going to hit her last night. Peter is such a little grass, he is Ian in the making. He was bound to let it out that she had bunked off school. Loved the Roxy Ben and Abi scenes.

[Siobhan]

I don't think Peter was been a snitch.. I think he was just concerned for Lucy.. if he was just been a snitch, he could have spent the money and then ratted her out but he didn't.. He was honest and remember how much crap Lauren got when she covered for Lucy???

I can't believe Kevin destroyed the tape.. how can he let someone rot in jail for years???? I know he was protecting his son but Chelsea is the one pull the strings here and she is totally getting away with it.. just cause she was dumped!!! what a cow

[tammyy2j]

I hate to say this but i feel sorry for Ian, Lucy is being a total brat and horrible to both Ian and Jane. I liked Abi, Ben and Roxie together. I can't believe Kevin destroyed the tape i really wanted Carly to smack Chelesa last night.

[Dutchgirl]

Maybe Carly can turn in the shirt and get Sean out without implicating Dean.

[Siobhan]

Maybe Carly can turn in the shirt and get Sean out without implicating Dean.
didn't she already hand that it.. thought she told sean she gave it to the police already???

[Dutchgirl]

Maybe Carly can turn in the shirt and get Sean out without implicating Dean.
didn't she already hand that it.. thought she told sean she gave it to the police already???
Maybe I missed that one.:hmm:

[Lizzie Brookes]

By the way, what makes Ian think Craig is no good? I mean he has no idea Craig keeps a pistol in his car glove compartment or that Ceraig attacked Patrick which is what makes us know that he is a nutcase but as Ian doesn't know all of that, why doeshe object? I mean for allhe knows Craig may have been a nice guy although we know he is not.

I think it's because Craig is 18 years old, an adult, and Lucy is 13 years old and still a child. Ian didn't have a problem with Craig until he found out that Craig was seeing Lucy and the fact that Craig had condoms.

Oh I see. Yes I can understand In being angry if Craig was pressurising his underage daughter into having sex.

[StarsOfCCTV]

I thought Craig was 16?...:hmm:

Can see Ian's point, but he shouldn't fly off the handle in front of Lucy, it's just going to make her want to see Craig even more!

Kevin was really stupid burning the tape. He should have given it back to Deano and Chelsea, and let them decide...

[Timalay]

How could Craig Drive if he was 16?:rotfl:

[StarsOfCCTV]

Good question, :rotfl: forgot that :p

[Chris_2k11]

Loving EastEnders, its continually on an improving streak now. I especially like what they're doing with Lucy.

[tammyy2j]

What a way to make an entrance Phil, poor baby Janet that will be traumatising for life. The Vic needs Ronnie and Roxy glad they are staying. I can't wait for Chelesa and Deano to get arrested, Chelesa is showing no guilt or remorse whatsoever. Lucy is definitely her mother's daughter blackmail Deano.

[*-Rooney-*]

I think if i had ian as a dad i would have went off the rails as well just for fun to get away from the slave labour (beales plaice) or schoolwork, peter annoys me i can imagine eastenders in 20 - 30 years he will have replaced ian and history will be repeating itself all over again

[Joanne]

So, has Lucy known all along that it was Craig who hit Patrick?

[Siobhan]

So, has Lucy known all along that it was Craig who hit Patrick?

I don't know.. that was never told to us.. Maybe Craig just told her cause he knew she could get money if she blackmailed Deano.. otherwise, she would have been blackmailing him all along

[Bryan]

loving Eastenders, going from strength to strength and they've done the impossible - I like the Beales! Probably one of the best families on the square atm

and so the plot thickens with Lucy and Deano, will he pay the money? :hmm:

[parkerman]

Although I can understand why Kevin and Carly wouldn't want to tell he police because of Deano and they don't care about Sean, it means that they know it was really Craig who bashed Patrick over the head. Shouldn't they say something, otherwise he just goes free?

[Katy]

loving Eastenders, going from strength to strength and they've done the impossible - I like the Beales! Probably one of the best families on the square atm


I know exactly what you mean i hated Ian, and his whiny little storylines this way he is being Ian and is still bearable to watch. I think Jane helps a lot though as well, she is becoming one of my favourite characters.

[Bryan]

loving Eastenders, going from strength to strength and they've done the impossible - I like the Beales! Probably one of the best families on the square atm


I know exactly what you mean i hated Ian, and his whiny little storylines this way he is being Ian and is still bearable to watch. I think Jane helps a lot though as well, she is becoming one of my favourite characters.

I agree Laurie Brett is an amazing actress, one that Eastenders should try and keep a hold of, she seems like the kind that wants to stay around for the long haul, that's what the show needs a bit of stability, as oppose to all these actors that come and go after a couple of years.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Loved the bit with Dot on the computer :rotfl: very funny and it was nice to have a bit of comedy in the shw instead of dead serious stories :cheer:

[Chris_2k11]

loving Eastenders, going from strength to strength and they've done the impossible - I like the Beales! Probably one of the best families on the square atm


I know exactly what you mean i hated Ian, and his whiny little storylines this way he is being Ian and is still bearable to watch. I think Jane helps a lot though as well, she is becoming one of my favourite characters.

I agree Laurie Brett is an amazing actress, one that Eastenders should try and keep a hold of, she seems like the kind that wants to stay around for the long haul, that's what the show needs a bit of stability, as oppose to all these actors that come and go after a couple of years.I agree Jane's brilliant, one of the few good things to come out of 2004. I think every soap needs just a normal character like her, as opposed to all these villains and murderers etc. She's like someone you'd expect to meet in everyday life and I think she's great.

[Joanne]

Thank Heavens Chelsea and Deano have now been arrested. I was getting fed up with Deano's pangs of conscience and threats of confession only to be stopped by Chelsea time and time again.

[Katy]

i have to agree it was about time, theres only so many times you can decide to hand yourself in and then change your mind.

Poor old Lucy got ehrself in a bit of a pickle. As much as a tearaway she is she doesn't deserve that she was genuinly upset.

[Siobhan]

I was thinking about that.. why didn't lucy just run out the hotel door instead of going into the toilet.. Craig is a nasty piece of work

[tammyy2j]

I'm glad Deano and Chelesa got arrested. Denise was going over board calling them heroes i can't wait to see her face when she realise what they did.

[parkerman]

I'm glad Deano and Chelesa got arrested. Denise was going over board calling them heroes i can't wait to see her face when she realise what they did.


And what Kevin did...with Shirley! :nono:

[Siobhan]

I'm glad Deano and Chelesa got arrested. Denise was going over board calling them heroes i can't wait to see her face when she realise what they did.


And what Kevin did...with Shirley! :nono:

I think that will annoy her more that what her precious daughter did... glad they were arrested

[*-Rooney-*]

the question is would she be calling them heroes and getting a reporter to do a story on them if it had been deano and carly for instance and her precious daughter wasnt even involved-i dont think so

so who reported them to the police i think it was carly as she saw deano trying to go in and chelsea pretty much stopping him

[Siobhan]

I am wondering that too.. wasn't lucy cause her battery went dead so she couldn't tell the police about craig

[Joanne]

Unless she rang the Police before she rang Ian, but we didn't see that bit?

[parkerman]

That doesn't seem very likely. I'm sure she'd be more worried about getting out first before reporting Craig to the police.

[Siobhan]

That doesn't seem very likely. I'm sure she'd be more worried about getting out first before reporting Craig to the police.

then it had to be carly but she said she couldn't do it the first time.. unless Deano did it himself??? I don't know... seems very suspect

maybe the results of Sean's shirt came bacK

[parkerman]

I'm glad Deano and Chelesa got arrested. Denise was going over board calling them heroes i can't wait to see her face when she realise what they did.


And what Kevin did...with Shirley! :nono:

I think that will annoy her more that what her precious daughter did

Denise is definitely not going to be happy when/if it comes out!

Well done, Carly. Good move, copying the tape. :bow:

[no1abbafan]

Hopefully this will mean the end of Chelsea too, she really annoys me and I have only been back watching it for a couple of weeks after months of giving up on it.

[Johnny Allen]

tonights episode was good stuff, Phil losing it, Abi and Dot with the guinea pigs. And of course Carly being the one to give the video tape in. And Craig being caught. Excellent episode.

[Katy]

It was a really good episode, Lucy just gets worse when she ripped her top, although Craig did deserve it. Loved the scenes with ronnie Roxy and Phil.

[Joanne]

I thought Steve McFadden played the role of a drunk excellently tonight.

[StarsOfCCTV]

I thought Steve McFadden played the role of a drunk excellently tonight.

:rotfl: :rotfl: That's exactly what my dad said.

Glad Deano and Chelsea got arrested. They deserved it (and they were getting a bit annoying) :p Go Carly for making a copy! Although it's sad she left, I liked her character..

Lucy played up her situation a little..but what's she going to do with the gun?....

[Lizzie Brookes]

I didn't agree with what Carly did. Like Kevin said it was not her decision nor her plce to interfere but I am glad Lucy told the police Craig attacked Patrick - he deservedhis comeuppance. If it had just been what Lucy said, there would have been no actual evidence that Deano and Chelsea lied and they could have pretended that they had been mistaken and surely the police wouldn't have arrested them for maing a mistake but since EastEnders was axing the whole family they had to write out everyone. ctually - much as I am against putting an innocent person in prison its a bit odd that Chelsea ad Deano kept the tape - I mean you would think that if they expected to get awaywithlying they would have destroyed the tape themselves.

[parkerman]

I its a bit odd that Chelsea ad Deano kept the tape - I mean you would think that if they expected to get away with lying they would have destroyed the tape themselves.

Exactly what I've been thinking all along. Why would they keep the tape in the first place and not destroy it?

[Lizzie Brookes]

Precisely and why did Crag admit to Lucy that he did it? I mean I would have thought if Craig attacked Patrick then he would be pleased that Sean went to jail for it and wouldn't tell anyone he did it or take any risk that people would discover Sean was innocent.

[Chris_2k11]

I its a bit odd that Chelsea ad Deano kept the tape - I mean you would think that if they expected to get away with lying they would have destroyed the tape themselves.

Exactly what I've been thinking all along. Why would they keep the tape in the first place and not destroy it?Well if they'd got rid of it then the whole thing would never have came out. where's the fun in that? :searchme:

[parkerman]

I its a bit odd that Chelsea ad Deano kept the tape - I mean you would think that if they expected to get away with lying they would have destroyed the tape themselves.

Exactly what I've been thinking all along. Why would they keep the tape in the first place and not destroy it?Well if they'd got rid of it then the whole thing would never have came out. where's the fun in that? :searchme:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Richie_lecturer]

Suppose it saves us from Poet Lauriette Gus.

[sam23]

oh no, i missed the episode, just my luck catching all the hundreds of rubbish episodes and missing the one good one :lol:

[Dutchgirl]

I hope we don't get a lott of crying Chelsea. She is just so selfish. She knew what she bargained for being with Sean. She just loved the whole bad boy thing. Well this what you end up with.
Has Carly gone for good?

[tammyy2j]

I'm so happy Deano and Chelesa were arrested. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Carly did the right thing by giving the police the tape. Is she gone for good or will she return? Chelesa is so annoying epescially when she cries. Now that Lucy has the gun what will happen?:searchme: :searchme:

[StarsOfCCTV]

I think Carly has gone for good...
I thought Lucy would freak and throw the gun away but she kept it....:eek:

[parkerman]

I thought Lucy would freak and throw the gun away but she kept it....:eek:

Perhaps she wants to complete what her mother started. :eek:

[Siobhan]

I really enjoyed last night.... Phil plays a drunk brilliantly.. I loved where peggy gave him the choice, the drink or ben and it looked like the was going to hand it over but he drank it down and then pushed her away... Fab acting from Peggy, phil and Ronnie

Denise was a woman on the war path, dragging chelsea across the square to apologise to Patrick and then Chelsea saying she can't talk to witnesses.. what a cow!!!! she doesn't care how many people she has hurt

Ian thinking flowers were for Jane and not caring until he realised they were for him along with the wreath and the pigs heart. and then lucy saying she is going off with her MUM!! great stuff by EE.. Can't wait for tonight

[Bryan]

Man what a great episode! How good was Diane Parish as Denise!? Great peice of acting there!

I agree the scenes between Phil and Peggy were brilliantly acted, I can't wait to see how this storyline develops, I know it's an old story revisted, but things like Alcholism can't return to a family, and it's clealry opening up Peggy's old wounds about Eric.

The whole Beale story is throughably enjoyable, Melissa Suffield is a great actress, I can see her being the next Cindy or Janine in the making, she is going to break some hearts.

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???

[tammyy2j]

Good episode Chelesa is such a cow she doesn't seem to have any remorse for what she did, i'm glad Denise shamed her in front of the square. I tried of the Lucy the brat storyline already

[Dutchgirl]

Steve McFadden toes a great job, acting the drunk. Barbara Windsor is superb as well. Like everything at Eastenders currently. Chelsea makes me so angry. Ian has to be gratefull to Jane for being so normal.

[Katy]

Denise was like a woman possoessed when she dragged CHelsea across the square, seans face was a picture when he was just stood there starting at ehr like half the square. I'm liking the mitchell sisters more and more. Lucy gets more and more interesting by the episdoe. she is sure that Cindy is alive.

[Richie_lecturer]

I thought Lucy would freak and throw the gun away but she kept it....:eek:

Perhaps she wants to complete what her mother started. :eek:

Would that be leaving London by Eurostar on a faster service? She's got another two months to wait....

[Chris_2k11]

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???I don't know but I hope so. With a well detailed explanation as to why it was made out she was dead and not some half baked story (i.e. Den's return!) ..I think it could actually work. Can you imagine how massive it would be! Something to really get everyone interested in EastEnders again once and for all.

[Bryan]

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???I don't know but I hope so. With a well detailed explanation as to why it was made out she was dead and not some half baked story (i.e. Den's return!) ..I think it could actually work. Can you imagine how massive it would be! Something to really get everyone interested in EastEnders again once and for all.

only thing standing in the way is the fact BBC denied that Michelle Collins was returning, it might be them trying to cover it up. Michelle Collins is too big for Eastenders now and if she was back it would only be a passing visit like Grant, which doesn't seem to be worth the effort, whereas if it was Steven, that would be where the fun lies.

Hats off to Eastenders for keeping the stalker secret though!

My suspicion is it's Steven because the boquet said "Dad" on it. Now Peter clealry aint gonna do it, he's too much of a goody toeshoes, and Lucy knew about what was going on "he's had enough supirses today", but I dont think she did it, it would be too obvious, let's not forget she's got loads of emails from "Cindy" and she's going off to see "Cindy", and seen as the stalker is "Cindy" it can't be Lucy.

Rumour has it they've been holding auditions to secretly cast Steven Beale since early summer...

[Bryan]

yes! thank goodness it isn't Lucy, now the storyline gets intresting :D

another cracking episode with the Beales, also like Phil & Shirley's freindship :thumbsup:

[parkerman]

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???I don't know but I hope so. With a well detailed explanation as to why it was made out she was dead and not some half baked story (i.e. Den's return!) ..I think it could actually work. Can you imagine how massive it would be! Something to really get everyone interested in EastEnders again once and for all.
Actually I think it would be the exact opposite and would make people lose interest if they did decide to bring back yet another dead person. It was bad enough the first time but to do it again...:nono:

[Chris_2k11]

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???I don't know but I hope so. With a well detailed explanation as to why it was made out she was dead and not some half baked story (i.e. Den's return!) ..I think it could actually work. Can you imagine how massive it would be! Something to really get everyone interested in EastEnders again once and for all.
Actually I think it would be the exact opposite and would make people lose interest if they did decide to bring back yet another dead person. It was bad enough the first time but to do it again...:nono:Please read the bit in bold. Obviously they'd have to make out she didn't actually die but she had to pretend she did.

[Katy]

I have to say i am liking Peter Beale, i thought he was a right moaner when he first joined but he sounds like a mini Ian its brilliant. Ian i think will regret being horrible to Lucy and Laughing at her. Some of the messages about Jane were just horrible. Definitly the work of Cindy's daughter.

[Dutchgirl]

I am confused here. Did Cindy leave taking the Eurostar or is she dead? I only started watching untill 2000. Can someone enlighten me?:searchme:

[Siobhan]

I am confused here. Did Cindy leave taking the Eurostar or is she dead? I only started watching untill 2000. Can someone enlighten me?:searchme:

both.. she left on Eurostar with one of the twins and stephen (not 100% sure on that) and then Phil and grant got ian's kids back. Later she came back for the kid, pregnant, and she was arrested for attempted murder on Ian. She tried to kill him.. She died in prison during child birth

[*-Rooney-*]

yeah cindy was trying to take all 3 kids away from school but lucy wasnt well that day so she just took the boys with her because she couldnt risk going back for lucy at the chance of getting caught

[parkerman]

But the real question is - is Cindy alive???I don't know but I hope so. With a well detailed explanation as to why it was made out she was dead and not some half baked story (i.e. Den's return!) ..I think it could actually work. Can you imagine how massive it would be! Something to really get everyone interested in EastEnders again once and for all.
Actually I think it would be the exact opposite and would make people lose interest if they did decide to bring back yet another dead person. It was bad enough the first time but to do it again...:nono:Please read the bit in bold. Obviously they'd have to make out she didn't actually die but she had to pretend she did.
There is no possible explanation that could justify bringing back yet another dead member of the EE cast in my opinion.

[tindie]

I am new here and Eastender as been unmissable for while
Great action packed last Friday and this week been awesome
I was little shocked to see Phil Push peggy, i didn't see that coming
and Peter call for His MUM? :rotfl:
i can't wait for todays

[Ruffed_lemur]

Stephen is a possibility, hadn't thought of him. Been wondering if it could be Melanie myself. :hmm:

[Florijo]

I love this Beale storyline - they are a great family and I'm pleased they have been given a family based storyline rather than a silly affair storyline (again!)

"My family" - doesn't really narrow it down that much.

[Siobhan]

couldn't agree more.. it is a decent story line and not a mitchell rival or an affair for a change

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

OMG! That was some top stuff! How scary was that cartoony Cindy like drawing.. and the whole Gina, Cindy daughter, Cindy letter stuff! God what a build-up and it just keeps coming and coming.. Too spooky for my liking but its all sooo good!

[StarsOfCCTV]

Ok...I didn't watch eastenders when Cindy was in it, so I'm confused by Cindys daughter.....:confused: That picture with Cindy in the square with the newspaper was so creepy!! :ninja:

[sam23]

Cindy died in Prison during childbirth,
young Cindy will be the baby she had in prison
Ian identified the body so surely she is dead.
The person sending the messages obviously knows how to use a computer so the picture of Cindy on Albert Square with the news paper is likely to be photo shopped! its easy to do with the right computer programme.

[DaVeyWaVey]

A good episode tonight - i am really enjoying the Cindy storyline. At first, i thought oh no, another sensationalist storyline...but the story is actually being told very well and isn't being sensationalised which makes a change. We are seeing a lot of reaction from the Beales over the whole storyline, which is brilliant as it's a lot more character led, rather than them concentrating on OTT stalkerish type activity. The whole storyline is being told in a very realistic way in my opinion and it is pacing along quite well. The picture at the end was very creepy indeed - really enjoying the storyline though. :)

[parkerman]

The person sending the messages obviously knows how to use a computer so the picture of Cindy on Albert Square with the news paper is likely to be photo shopped! its easy to do with the right computer programme.

Exactly my thoughts sam. I didn't find it scary at all.

[Joanne]

Ian should have realised straight away that it was a fake. Cindy hadn't aged a day in the photo.

[Chris_2k11]

This Cindy storyline is really good, its got me gripped :cheer:

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Im rather bored of the Cindy thing, i dont know why because i dont know who it is or anything so it should be gripping but i just really dont like it for some reason. At the start of the week i just found it really funny that Lucy really thought Cindy would be at the park but now im fed up of it.

Loving the thing with Phil, i don't like him myself i just like the way Roxie/Ronnie/Peggy are standing up to him, also love the Mitchell sisters looking after Ben

Deano/Chelsea thing is rather annoying aswell, they should just put them in prision and change story lines, Chelsea is to whingy for my liking and Deano aint much better either.

[Abbie]

This Cindy storyline is really good, its got me gripped :cheer:

me too :), its also made me very confused though

[Siobhan]

I love the Cindy story line.. My jaw dropped on friday when Ian looked at the photo of Cindy holding the local newspaper from a few days before.. Her sister Gina is a nut job but she is not the stalker... It is brilliant story line and Adam plays it blinding...

The phil storyline is also really good.. EE are doing a great job revisiting the alcoholic Phil and how is affects those around him.. hopefully seen ben drunk will change his mind
Well done EE :clap::clap::clap:

[Johnny Allen]

Phil's drunk behaviour takes me back to the good old days, and Steve McFadden does a blinding job when he pretends to be drunk. I love the Cindy storyline its getting very exciting cant wait to see who it ends up being, like the fact its been kept under wraps.

[Joanne]

I can't think who it can be who is doing it to Ian though. They must have some spare cash as coffins, flowers etc aren't cheap. They must also be old enough to drive.

[*-Rooney-*]

so to narrow it down

1, they must be computer literate
2, they must have money
3, they must have a helping hand (i.e the time the perfume arrived and the e mail arrived at same time)
4, they must be able to drive and have access to a car

[LostVoodoo]

the person who's doing it doesn't need to be able to access a car or drive, they could just pay someone to do it (like Cindy did with getting Ian shot, ha!)

[Joanne]

So whoever is doing it must have lots of money then!

Only Craig that I can think of hates Ian enough to do all this to him, but he's locked up isn't he? Plus he's skint.

I've seen Steven's name mooted elsewhere as a possible suspect but would he still be this full of hate after all this time?

[Florijo]

I cann't wait until the Wicks leave. I cannot stand them and their scenes were awful last night.

I don't like saying this about a child but Ben is always whining and, compared to the young actresses playing Lucy and Abi, the actor is not up to par. New head please EE!

[Siobhan]

Sean scene with Deano in the toilet was terrifying.. I have never like Sean but the actor playing him did a fantastic job last night.
Ian's storyline is getting good!! I can't wait for more of it tonight!!

I had a feeling Jase was in prison all along... wonder what he is in for :hmm:

[Dutchgirl]

Sean scene with Deano in the toilet was terrifying.. I have never like Sean but the actor playing him did a fantastic job last night.
Ian's storyline is getting good!! I can't wait for more of it tonight!!

I had a feeling Jase was in prison all along... wonder what he is in for :hmm:

How demeaning is that getting your head put into a toiletbowl (Ian should know).

And I do think Seanwas roughed up in prison. Maybe because he has a big mouth?

Ian's storyline is quiet good. SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT stephen, but I'M NOT SURE HE LEFT WITH A FIGHT?!:hmm:

[Siobhan]

Ian's storyline is quiet good. SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT stephen, but I'M NOT SURE HE LEFT WITH A FIGHT?!:hmm:

Stephen did leave with a fight.. he hated ian and insisted he go to New Zealand to be with his real dad. It was Steven who told Laura (Ian's ex wife) that he was sleeping with Janine.. Ian had to let him go cause he was getting out of control. Hope this info helps

[Dutchgirl]

Thanks, I forgot, how it all went down.

[Katy]

It's brilliant, i'm loving how Ian is trying to show he is not really bothered but realy he is bricking it. I am really enjoying the storyline, his face when the car nearly ran him over.

[Johnny Allen]

somethings bothering me on Ian's coffin it said 1969, that would make him 38 but didnt he recently celebrate his 40th birthday. Either Im mistaken or his stalker doesnt know Ian all that well.

[Bryan]

Adam Woodyatt is shining in this storyline, it's not often they give Ian good storylines, but they really should as he's a talented actor.

The plot thickens, I'm really enjoying this storyline, can't wait to see who it is on Friday :D

Billy not getting on with Jase is starting to grate on me.

[LostVoodoo]

Adam Woodyatt is shining in this storyline, it's not often they give Ian good storylines, but they really should as he's a talented actor.


isn't that because he threatened to leave if they didn't give him something good? if so, well done Adam!

[*-Rooney-*]

im glad that ian has finally showed jane that hes scaredafter all this happening what i dont understand why isnt jane at least a little concerned for her families welfare i mean no one has a clue who this is coming from and it is serious stuff, a coffin, a speedin car, a wreath, it all points to one thing >>>>>> DEATH

[parkerman]

what i dont understand why isnt jane at least a little concerned for her families welfare i mean no one has a clue who this is coming from and it is serious stuff, a coffin, a speedin car, a wreath, it all points to one thing >>>>>> DEATH

I absolutely agree with that, Rooney. She seems to think it's all in Ian's head, but all the things that have happened have been quite concrete and she knows it. She doesn't seem to be worried at all.

[Siobhan]

im glad that ian has finally showed jane that hes scaredafter all this happening what i dont understand why isnt jane at least a little concerned for her families welfare i mean no one has a clue who this is coming from and it is serious stuff, a coffin, a speedin car, a wreath, it all points to one thing >>>>>> DEATH

I think she is concerned but she is just holding it all together cause Ian is falling apart. Adam did a great job as Ian last night... he is still Ian under is all but you can see a scared vunerable side to him that this is bring out. He played paranoia fantastic... I can't wait to see how this storyline unfold.. Well done EE for keeping us all in the dark about who done it

[*-Rooney-*]

i liked the way he was putting a grudge list together and apart from a few im sure it wasnt far off having the whole of the square on it lol

[Siobhan]

i liked the way he was putting a grudge list together and apart from a few im sure it wasnt far off having the whole of the square on it lol

hehehe.. dot and Jim on the list was hilarious... Oh and I hope Jase was only sent to prison for something stupid and minor so that billy can eat his words.. telling everyone he is dangerous

[*-Rooney-*]

isnt billy just assuming that jase went to prison?

Even if he did go to prison, so what have a look around the square, theres phil, dangerous, sean dangerous, dean and chelsea awaiting court, pat ex prostitute, mo wheeler and dealer, etc

And lets get to billy the man himself didnt he join the square when phil rescued jamie from billy when billy continued to beat him up as a kid wot a hypocrite

[Katy]

No Bily sawa probation letter that was in Jases bag. I thought the rest of the residents were a bit rich when tthey were talking about him being dangerous, imean hark at Peggy has she not looked at her sons recently. And Billy for that matter he is a Mitchell after all.

Loved when Jane suggested Ian should write Janet and Ben on the grudge list so he had a full set of Mitchells.

[*-Rooney-*]

yeah that was a good line from jane although she forgot courtney (now you would think she'd remember grant's daughter lol ), and i liked it when she said that ian would like a bigger piece of paper

[CrazyLea]

I liked how Winston was on Ian's grudge list.

[*-Rooney-*]

yeah i think winston has been mentioned about 10 times at the most in all the time i have watched it lol,

[parkerman]

Actually I think it's Winston who's doing it. He's seen it as his way of getting a bigger part. Every night he sneeks in to the producer's office and swaps the scripts over for ones he's written himself.

Way to go Winston! :thumbsup:

[Richie_lecturer]

I think they were going to pair Winston up with the identical twins, until he shuffled the scripts.

I reckon it's Brian Wicks, also going under the double identity of Jeff Healy....

[DaVeyWaVey]

I think it's Dot... she has just got a new computer (producers made a big deal out of this, must be a plot device) just about the same time Lucy is recieving emails from Cindy, coincidence or what? :D :thumbsup:

Ok...seriously now, i think it's Stephen...this storyline is a perfect opportunity for him to return!

[Dutchgirl]

I think it's Dot... she has just got a new computer (producers made a big deal out of this, must be a plot device) just about the same time Lucy is recieving emails from Cindy, coincidence or what? :D :thumbsup:

:cheer: Yes it was staring us right in the face and we missed that one! Brilliant.

Poor Jane whoever is doing this, it is so nasty to frame her. Ian never trusts women that easy anyway.

[StarsOfCCTV]

Wasn't Jane there when Ian recieved an email? :hmm:

Winston all the way :thumbsup: :rotfl:

[Ruffed_lemur]

I think it's Dot... she has just got a new computer (producers made a big deal out of this, must be a plot device) just about the same time Lucy is recieving emails from Cindy, coincidence or what? :D :thumbsup:

Ok...seriously now, i think it's Stephen...this storyline is a perfect opportunity for him to return!

I think Stephen seems most likely now too. It's great that Dot has a computer though. Lots of opportunities for fun there! :)

[Siobhan]

How good was it last night.. Ian accusing Jane and then he gets a message to meet Cindy... scary stuff... wonder if we find out tonight who is behind it all??
I like Jay and Ben together.. typical young lad stuff.. dying to know why Jase went to prison

:lol::lol:Denise telling the taxi driver she will double the fare if he runs Kevin over... brilliant acting all round last night

[Katy]

Me to, i loved the Ben and Jay stuff, Jay was so funny with Roxy "We need a woman round the hosue"

Couldn't believe Ian blamed Jane, talk about Paranoia. He's going loopy with it.

[Bryan]

Another brilliant episode! Fantastic acting from Laurie Brett, she's one of the shows greatest assets.

I am still annoyed at Billy acting like an idiot towards Jase, the only thing bugging me about the show atm. Funny seeing Ben and Jay paired together, wonder what Jay will say after hearing about Jase's past convictions.

Loved Denise last night, great acting from Diane Parish Again "I'll pay you double if you run him over":D

[StarsOfCCTV]

Ian's face was so funny when Jane was crying and he realised that actually she wasn't "Cindy" he's so paranoid! Can't wait to see who "Cindy" is tonight!

When will Ben realise that Jay put those lacy knickers in his trousers?! :lol: Everyone on the square thinks Jase is a dangerous man but maybe he just got done for fraud or something like that? :searchme:

[Ruffed_lemur]

Yes, should be another good episode tonight, but will we get to see who "Cindy" is? Hope we do, but will probably just be Ian's shocked face before the ending music!

[emma_strange]

Who was that?? Was it Steven? I didnt recognise him, but thought, with him being youngish...

[Abbie]

Who was that?? Was it Steven? I didnt recognise him, but thought, with him being youngish...

I know I thought, that but im not sure, he did say: "It cant be"

[DaVeyWaVey]

I think it was Steven - very good episode to end the week - it was quite creepy in parts but i had a feeling it was Steven..

[Abbie]

I think it was Steven - very good episode to end the week - it was quite creepy in parts but i had a feeling it was Steven..

I thought it was really good how they made it creep, I even got a little scared myself, I was ready to jump in fright

[Florijo]

I think it is Steven but I don't think he is working alone. That was creepy, loved the use of the music in those scenes.

[kiki28]

That was such a good episode, I defo think that was steven

[*-Rooney-*]

i have a feeling that song "nothing compares to you" was ian and cindy's song it would be appropriate to freak him out,

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

O..M..G.. i am totally loving these past few weeks of EE.. mainly because of this BRILLIANT storyline for Ian.. Finally! These things are way too spooky and I just love it.. Can't believe it's steven! (if it is..)

[Jessie Wallace]

Brilliant episode, was watching it at work and was so griped, i forgot i was went to be helping a resident to bed! oops (they did make it to bed after it finished!)

[Kim]

Lol Dave! Someone for Ian's rather exaggerated list, I think, considering he's already got Winston on there.

I didn't think that was Stephen; the hair was far too dark, unless Ian recognised his face and he's died it since he went to New Zealand, or something. I was thinking it might have been someone who was with Cindy at some point and therefore hated Ian, but they looked a bit young for that, too.

I can't see him doing it really though, unless Wicksy has done something to stir up his hatred of lying fathers.

I think it has been very gripping stuff, and I can't see it being Jane after Ian found that phone, as that's a bit obvious, in my opinion. I did think she might know something with her gestures in the cafe when Ian was mentioning it all, though.

I did read something somewhere that said something like:

Ian locks the door but the culprit could be behind the door, or something, so I'm thinking Peter, rather than Cindy herself, or someone else. I think Peter would be feeling a bit pushed out by now with Lucy getting all the attention with the Craig stuff and attempting to run away, and he actually asked her if running was the only way she could think of of getting attention. Also, I thought there was something in the cuts between the scenes tonight, where Ian went into a room or something, it always seemed to cut to Peter and Jane. I had the feeling she knew something, so maybe he's doing it and she was finding the money for the coffin and things. I'm assuming Peter would have a laptop or something as Lucy has one.

About Ian's age - maybe it was the actor who recently turned 40?

[JustJodi]

Waving to every one from America... omg I am so TICKED off cos I am missing a great story line,,, ok so if Stephen is indeed the culprit,, and ppl are saying his hair is darker,, so what,, my son was a blonde until he was in his early teens and became darker,, so it could be him..
I am \hoping some one is recording this cos I gotta see this,,, reading the episode thingies on BBC and here just isnt the same :p
So has Jane been SHOT yet,, and is she dying ??? did Ian just jump behind her and let her get shot ??? sorry I had to ask cos none or the sites I read said any thing .....

[Jessie Wallace]

Waving to every one from America... omg I am so TICKED off cos I am missing a great story line,,, ok so if Stephen is indeed the culprit,, and ppl are saying his hair is darker,, so what,, my son was a blonde until he was in his early teens and became darker,, so it could be him..
I am \hoping some one is recording this cos I gotta see this,,, reading the episode thingies on BBC and here just isnt the same :p
So has Jane been SHOT yet,, and is she dying ??? did Ian just jump behind her and let her get shot ??? sorry I had to ask cos none or the sites I read said any thing .....

Don't worry babes, i've got it covered for you, EastEnders and Silent Witness :D

[Paddy]

I think your all forgetting that peter was dark before the new actor came in, not very good with consistancy are our casting dept i'm afraid ;)

[Lizzie Brookes]

Who was that man? As I only started watching EastEnders from Steve Owen's drug addiction I probably wouldn't know but you all seem to recognise him. Ian certainly recognised him as he said "It can't be". It's certainly a dangerous chap with a warped mentality and a brilliant actor. His eyes really freaked me out.

[Florijo]

Who was that man? As I only started watching EastEnders from Steve Owen's drug addiction I probably wouldn't know but you all seem to recognise him. Ian certainly recognised him as he said "It can't be". It's certainly a dangerous chap with a warped mentality and a brilliant actor. His eyes really freaked me out.

Steven Beale/Wicks probably. But with a new head! He left 2002 when he found out Ian wasn't his dad. The one that sent nasty letters round the square and blackmailed Ian over Janine.

[*-Rooney-*]

Waving to every one from America... omg I am so TICKED off cos I am missing a great story line,,, ok so if Stephen is indeed the culprit,, and ppl are saying his hair is darker,, so what,, my son was a blonde until he was in his early teens and became darker,, so it could be him..
I am \hoping some one is recording this cos I gotta see this,,, reading the episode thingies on BBC and here just isnt the same :p
So has Jane been SHOT yet,, and is she dying ??? did Ian just jump behind her and let her get shot ??? sorry I had to ask cos none or the sites I read said any thing .....

Jane hasnt been shot yet that still has to happen, although ian and jane have had a big fallout as ian was getting text messages from cindy he foned the number back and the fone started ringing in the house and he found the fone in janes coat and ians number was stored as dead man, then he found the invoice for the coffin in janes passport so he locked her out of the house and accused her of being obsessed with cindy and trying to drive ian crazy

[Johnny Allen]

What an intense and gripping episode, glad we saw the culprit but can that really be Steven, if it is clever casting cause he's not at all how I imagined and Im still not entirely convinced, how many of you thought that dummy was real, I shouted out blimey its Steven. Excellent acting from Adam Woodyatt tonight.,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Beale

[parkerman]

Jane hasnt been shot yet that still has to happen


Er...isn't that a spoiler?:confused:

[JustJodi]

Waving to every one from America... omg I am so TICKED off cos I am missing a great story line,,, ok so if Stephen is indeed the culprit,, and ppl are saying his hair is darker,, so what,, my son was a blonde until he was in his early teens and became darker,, so it could be him..
I am \hoping some one is recording this cos I gotta see this,,, reading the episode thingies on BBC and here just isnt the same :p
So has Jane been SHOT yet,, and is she dying ??? did Ian just jump behind her and let her get shot ??? sorry I had to ask cos none or the sites I read said any thing .....

Don't worry babes, i've got it covered for you, EastEnders and Silent Witness :D

:bow: :bow: :bow: Thanks so much darlin you are a DIAMOND luvs ya JJ:D

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes. that makes sense. If Steven was 11 or 12 in 2002 then he must be 16 or 17 now. New actor playiong him in that case. Also we know he was always a strange boy but I onder why he would go to all the trouble of pretending to be his mum and writing to his foster sister and father, returning from New Zealand and stalking Ian. I mean what's the point. I didn't actually recognisehim at all so I wonder how so many people guesed it was Steven Beale. I didn't give Steven a single thought since he left five years ago.

[Ruffed_lemur]

Glad we got to see him! A very creepy and excellent episode!

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah it was creepy all right and brilliant. I'm definitely watching the omnibus tomorrow.

[Chris_2k11]

I dont know what the casting department were thinking, he looks nothing like the other one ?

[StarsOfCCTV]

That episode was great (out last night just watched it)....can't believe they managed to string out that Ian scene for 10 minutes :lol:

Still, bit creepy! The end was soo annoying he just said "can't be!" Do we defintately know who he is yet? Is it Steven?

[Kim]

I'm guessing that they deliberately made it so that the new Stephen is nothing like the old one, because would have wanted to string it out for as long as possible, which they are doing as we don't find out it is Stephen until Friday when Jane closes the door only to come face to face with him.

[Lizzie Brookes]

vhew - scary. I reafd the stalker described somewhere as "a dangerous individual who is capable of anything" - but why Ian did not keep all those notes and things as evidence and go straight down to the police station I don't know. Of course he had to ascertain first that it was not Lucy being a teenager but once he realised it was a genuine stalker he should have kept the evidence and gone straight to the police, not just rung them up without evidence.

[Dutchgirl]

vhew - scary. I reafd the stalker described somewhere as "a dangerous individual who is capable of anything" - but why Ian did not keep all those notes and things as evidence and go straight down to the police station I don't know. Of course he had to ascertain first that it was not Lucy being a teenager but once he realised it was a genuine stalker he should have kept the evidence and gone straight to the police, not just rung them up without evidence.
You took the words right out of my mouth, how stupid this all is. But hey it is soaplnd.

[parkerman]

Also, when the police asked him to go down to the station he said he was too busy!

[Abbie]

I'm guessing that they deliberately made it so that the new Stephen is nothing like the old one, because would have wanted to string it out for as long as possible, which they are doing as we don't find out it is Stephen until Friday when Jane closes the door only to come face to face with him.

Well in that case they are doing a good job

[Lizzie Brookes]

That stalker did look scary. Did you see his eyes? He makes Sean Slater look like Shirley Temple.

[Jojo]

Can I remind members to be careful not to post spoilers within the general discussion threads - if you are in any doubt as to whether or not the post contains a spoiler, then please use the spoiler tags. That way, it saves a lot of editing for us mods, a lot of surprises ruined for those that don't want them spoiled and most of all - a happy forum :D :thumbsup:

Thanks guys

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh sorry JoJo. I'll see if I can amend that post. I forgot.

[Jojo]

Oh sorry JoJo. I'll see if I can amend that post. I forgot.

I don't think you've spoiled anything hun - I've just amended all of those that did, so not you :) x

[*-Rooney-*]

you had to amend one of my posts, sorry about that.

How to you use those spoiler tags, i have no clue,

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh sorry JoJo. I'll see if I can amend that post. I forgot.

I don't think you've spoiled anything hun - I've just amended all of those that did, so not you :) x

Thanks JoJo. It was just that I thought Ian's stalker had already been revealed.

[Abi]

you had to amend one of my posts, sorry about that.

How to you use those spoiler tags, i have no clue,

Add

SPOILER before the post, with [ ] before and after. As in [******]. And add /SPOILER after, with [ ] before and after it. As in [/*****]

:)

[*-Rooney-*]

no i meant how do i put these in my post to cover up a piece of info that i have wrote i.e a spoiler

[Jojo]

no i meant how do i put these in my post to cover up a piece of info that i have wrote i.e a spoiler

You edit your post and do just as Abi says - insert [ spoiler] and then [/ spoiler] (without the space) at either end of the bit that needs covering up.

[Jojo]

Oh sorry JoJo. I'll see if I can amend that post. I forgot.

I don't think you've spoiled anything hun - I've just amended all of those that did, so not you :) x

Thanks JoJo. It was just that I thought Ian's stalker had already been revealed.

It hasn't been totally revealed who the stalker actually is, although there is speculation which is fine. The main part I was concerned about was a future storyline involving Jane

:)

[*-Rooney-*]

thanks jojo and abi,

although im still not sure, i think ill just stick to talking about things that have already happened

[Johnny Allen]

tonights was very good. Love Laurie Brett where shes all stressed and fired up as Jane. So talented. Loved the ending now we know its Steven, wondered what he's done with Ian. And how horrid was Heather's mum.

[Lizzie Brookes]

It was brilliant. After tonight's episode I have come to the conclusion that Steven is a psychopath. Sean wouldn't do any more than rough someone up. Craig is worse. He is dangerous but Steven exceeds both Sean and Craig put together. I can't understand why I'm curious about him and fascinated by him.

[Florijo]

Steven looks really interesting. Love Jase and Jay but Billy is getting on my nerves. He's a complete hypocrite.

[*-Rooney-*]

yeah i know what you mean before billy moved to the square he used to beat poor jamie mitchell up until phil came to his rescue now hes making out hes a saint and bullying jase even though he doesnt now what his crime was

[StarsOfCCTV]

Yeah, instead of being mean to him he should just ask him what he did! Talking of Billy....when's Honey having her baby? They havn't had a storyline in months and I keep forgetting she's pregnant! :p

Laurie Brett's a great actress, the square's so gossipy she's not going to get a break :lol:

[Pinkbanana]

I enjoyed tonight's episode...........Steven popping up again right at the end.....he's gonna be BIG trouble! :thumbsup: I think Gina (Cindy's sister) is in on this with Steven!!! :hmm:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Mmm - thts a bit unlikely. I know Gina is a little bit crazy but I can't believe even she would be as cold blooded as Steven so obviously is. I hope Steven is found out at some point and arrested and locked up as he deserves.

[Siobhan]

Loved last night episode... Steven popping up at the end was classic EE... they really kept all this under wraps and I am glad the spoiler didn't reveal anything...
Roll on Thursday!!!

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Loved last night episode... Steven popping up at the end was classic EE... they really kept all this under wraps and I am glad the spoiler didn't reveal anything...
Roll on Thursday!!!

I agree, im looking foward to seeing more of Steven hopefully he will turn out to be a good character and hopefully he will stick around aswell.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Glad to see Steven was behind the Cindy stuff - here's hoping he becomes a regular character. :thumbsup: Liked Jane and Gina's argument in the cafe too - i think she might be in on it..but i'm not too sure...or else why would she pop into the cafe? :searchme:

Billy has just become completely unlikeable for me with all this stuff with Jase. :thumbsdow

[Pinkbanana]

Glad to see Steven was behind the Cindy stuff - here's hoping he becomes a regular character. :thumbsup: Liked Jane and Gina's argument in the cafe too - i think she might be in on it..but i'm not too sure...or else why would she pop into the cafe? :searchme:

Billy has just become completely unlikeable for me with all this stuff with Jase. :thumbsdow

Yeah, thats what made me think Gina was in on it, Dave. Why suddenly now pop up?

I agree about Billy. He is really grating on me now. Why do they have to go overboard and make once likeable characters really annoying/unwatchable?

[LostVoodoo]

Glad to see Steven was behind the Cindy stuff - here's hoping he becomes a regular character. :thumbsup: Liked Jane and Gina's argument in the cafe too - i think she might be in on it..but i'm not too sure...or else why would she pop into the cafe? :searchme:

Billy has just become completely unlikeable for me with all this stuff with Jase. :thumbsdow

Yeah, thats what made me think Gina was in on it, Dave. Why suddenly now pop up?

well from her perspective, Ian was the one who turned up first so he's the one who started it- it would be natural for her to be curious and go and have a nosy once he's randomly popped back into her life.

[Pinkbanana]

Glad to see Steven was behind the Cindy stuff - here's hoping he becomes a regular character. :thumbsup: Liked Jane and Gina's argument in the cafe too - i think she might be in on it..but i'm not too sure...or else why would she pop into the cafe? :searchme:

Billy has just become completely unlikeable for me with all this stuff with Jase. :thumbsdow

Yeah, thats what made me think Gina was in on it, Dave. Why suddenly now pop up?

well from her perspective, Ian was the one who turned up first so he's the one who started it- it would be natural for her to be curious and go and have a nosy once he's randomly popped back into her life.


And pop a photograph through the letter box, saying we are here for you? Very strange....

[Lizzie Brookes]

I too would love to see Steven be a regular charecter but at the same time I do want to see him having to take responsibility for his actions in one way or anoyher and I am of course curious to know why he is the way he is.

[Florijo]

Good episode. Little Bobby Beale is so cute - maybe EE have a Tom from HO on their hands?

I really like the Jase/Jay relationship. Really believable. Lucy is such a little madam and I felt sorry for Peter stuck in the middle.

[*-Rooney-*]

it doesnt make sense about gina popping up, sure ian popped up first but her excuse didnt wash, a photo of cindy jnr with we are here for you written for you on the back, and the reason she gave, she thought the twins would like to have a picture of their little sister. But think about it how on earth would anyone know who she was they have never saw her before and the picture wasnt signed

[LostVoodoo]

it doesnt make sense about gina popping up, sure ian popped up first but her excuse didnt wash, a photo of cindy jnr with we are here for you written for you on the back, and the reason she gave, she thought the twins would like to have a picture of their little sister. But think about it how on earth would anyone know who she was they have never saw her before and the picture wasnt signed

she didn't know Ian was missing, she would have assumed Ian would have got the photo and explained to Peter and Lucy.

[Katy]

Lucy is really unlikeable she was so nasty to Jane. Loved the scenes with Jay and Jase and the trainors. Heather is brilliant as well, i love the friendship her and shirley have been paired up to have.

[Lizzie Brookes]

So, Steven turned up in the middle of a family argument. I can't help finding it funny when a guest - expected or unexpected - turns up when the family are in the middle of something like arguing but of course as we know and they do not he has created this entire situation.

[Siobhan]

OOhhh I so wanted to slap Lucy last night.. she was bang out of order and great entrance from Steven!!!
Love Jase and Jay with the trainers and ben going off on one cause of the memories of Stella.
Heather is brilliant..hope she is permanent in EE.. over all. love it last night

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree. Lucy was completely out of order.

I can't wait till tonight - I want to see more Steven.

[Katy]

I still can't get over the fac that is meant to be stephen. He really doesnt look like the old one but i think he looks like a good actor, i love the way he is just creaping around the place.

[Lizzie Brookes]

The new actor is better than the old one - just briliant and I agree. The way he creeps around is pretty sinister.

[LostVoodoo]

i really cant believe Lucy genuinely thinks Cindy is alive, i honestly thought she would have been in on it with Steven all along, oh well...loved little Bobby in those scenes last night, the poor kid must be finding it hard to keep up!

[Lizzie Brookes]

That would have been unrealistic. In Steven's case he has a lot of problems. Lucy is a typical teenager. She may be fed up with her dad from time to time but I am sure she would never stalk or torment him in that cold, planned, calculating way. She dashed straight into his arms after what happened with Craig and she only meant it as a joke when she said to Craig that she wished Ian were dead.

[Ruffed_lemur]

i really cant believe Lucy genuinely thinks Cindy is alive, i honestly thought she would have been in on it with Steven all along, oh well...loved little Bobby in those scenes last night, the poor kid must be finding it hard to keep up!

She still could be in on it with Steven, if she thinks he is Cindy.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Steven did pretend to be Cindy, we know thast now.

Fantastic episode and excellent acting from Aaron. I saw the way Steven's legs trembled under the table when Lucy talked about the e-mails from Cindy and he slammed down the picture of Ian and bit his knuckles. I am fascinatedby him. I do have the tiniest drop of sympathy for him but I definitely believe he should take responsibility for his actions. He is entitle to a shorter sentence because he is so obviously deranged - a doctor could tesify to that but whether or not he hass killed Ian he should still pay for all the stalking etc. He is like a knight in shining armour though - Jane's right. Even I felt like sitting next to him and talking to him. I doon't believe he is a psychopathbecause he obviously loves Peter, Lucy and Pat. He's just a bit psychotic/neurotic/deranged - a guy with a lot of mental problems. He needs serious help. Thats what I was thinking at the end of the episode.

[Abbie]

great tonight, Im really liking this storyline at the moment, cant wait for next week :thumbsup:

[Joanne]

So where is Ian? Has Steven got him locked up in that flat he lured him to?

[Abbie]

So where is Ian? Has Steven got him locked up in that flat he lured him to?

Have no idea, we'll just have to wait for next week, but Steven was looking guilty

[Lizzie Brookes]

I have no doubt after last night that he is regretting stalking Ian and whatever he did to Ian since and so in a way I sympathise with him but if he were really sorry surely he would apologise to Ian and summon him back, admit to what he's done and seek help. I did feel like calming him down when he was alone but I'd also be a bit nervous of him seeing that he is so unpredictable. I'm definitely watching the omnibus on Sunday and I can't wait till Monday's episod. The other storylines are ok i.e. Max, Bradley and stacey but its the Steven storyline that most interests me at the moment.

[JustJodi]

OMG I can not wait until I get back next week But will miss monday tues ( not wed ) but will finally catch a SHOW on Thurs,, whoo hoo,, lets hope that something reallllllllllly cool has occured when I get back LOL:cheer: :cheer: So has the Max,Stacey and Bradley story line started up again :searchme:

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

OMG I AM SERIOUSLY LOVING EE ATM! Stephen is a great additional to the cast, acting was brilliant! Oh the irony, it's just too good!!

Not bothered about the rest, honeslty, I just wait for this storyline and forget about the rest.. Although I was quite upset Max turned down the best man place, can't believe Stacewy really made him do that, Bradley's face :(

Anyways, more Stephen please :D Good stuff..

[Siobhan]

EE was fab yesterday... I can't wait for Monday.. It looked like Steven was regretting what he has done to Ian.. I think coming into the house and finding photos' of him and Ian and then Pat telling him that Ian loves him like he was his own...

Max and Stacey can wither away into the background... Totally enjoying EE

[Dutchgirl]

Thoroughly enjoyed last weeks episodes.

Heathers mum brilliantly portrayed by Judy Cornwell.

Sean was so cute offering to give Lucy away to Bradley.

Stephen where is it leading to?!
Cannot wait!!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I do enjoy the Max/Stacey/Bradley stuff but I am most into the Steven stuff at the moment. Aaron is indeed a superb actor and he makes Steven very charismatic. I started to wish i had a brother like Steven on Friday when Jane was talking about this knight in shining armour etc etc despite being angry with him for what he did to Ian. Yes, whoever was talking about it being irionic is absolutely right. Look at Pat filling Steven in on all thats happened and Steven asking if they went to the police etc - I mean who would guess? Yet I am sure he repented at the end of Friday's episode so for the first time I was sorry for him because he is psychologically messed up and really needs help - did you notice the way he trembled and started biting his knuckles?

I read a big discussion on another message board as to how Steven managed to do all this but I'm not a member of that one so I'll write down how i think he managed here. I think he's really good at all this computer stuff - has to be so after leaving school at, well I assume 16 or 17 I reckon he told Simon that he wanted to go travelling. He probably mentioned to both Pat and simon that he might look in on Ian and his brother and sister and he wished to surprise them. If he said it was to be a surprise, then this would explain why neither Simon nor Pat mentioned his leaving New Zealand to Ian if they knew. He has probably brooded overhis mum's death in prison and deluded himself into believing that it is somehow Ian's fault and his derangement led him to want revenge as he already seems to have issues with Ian anyway.

If he were going travelling, Simon would have given him money for it - say about seven hundred pounds. I'm assuming that he then gets a laptop and wireless connection and rents this cheap flat. He doesn't want to spend much on the flat because he's saving up his money for this crazy revenge and it is in a 70 storey high building where he can lure Ian eventually. He sets up the computer and through the internet manages to contact Lucy, pretending to be his mum. This goes on for 2 months. This is just my theory right. Well he asks Lucy to meet him alone in the park and hides, watching (he has shown he is adept at hiding). He doesn't invite Peter because he counts on Lucy telling Peter, Peter becoming suspicious and telling Ian - it is just a ruse to get Ian there.

Ok so he buys these lillies etc etc which shouln't cost much and gets them sent to him and he himself wears a hood (who would notice yet another teenager in a hood? Lucy wore one when she went to meet Craig) and that is how he gets the notes there. Ian becomes suspicious and starts writing Cindy-Steven e-mails pretending to be lucy but Steven doesn't fall for it. I agree the coffin, the cut flowers and the rose in the pocket are far fetched but this is EastEnders and there could have een ways to do that too. Ok let's say he ordered the coffin - pretended he worked at the church or something and the vicar wanted a coffin and gave Ian's address rather than the vicar's, suggesting it be delivered by evening as there will be fewer people about and so easy enough to bring. Then he himself slips inin the hood and places the note there. Cut flowers? - mmm. Well, in the cafe, everyone has been served. Jane has gone out. Tracey or whoever is covering is tired and wants a rest. She has to stay there till Jane comes though so as it is not too busy, she sits down, readyto get up if anyone wants anything. At this time Steven enters in a hood or whatever. He leans up against the counter in the shaddows like a casual teenager, edges scissors out of his pocket, snips the flowers from behind, pockets the scissors and leaves inconspiciously.

The car could have been a misleading red herring but I'm sure that being 18 Steven has a driving licence and being derranged he probably would buy a car, even though he is in England only a short time. Having lived in the house 5 years ago he has a key. He could easily have nicked Ian's keys from his pocket, replaced them with the red rose, let himself into the house using his own key and left the same way. There were no obvious break ins. He could have left that book in the same way and framed Jane with that phone etc. Jane said it was obvious from Ian's behaviour that he was not sleeping. Someone on the other board said these days you can e-mail someone through your mobile phone. In that case, he could have left the perfume there, rung the bell, concealed himself and sent the email from his mobile phone. Then he lures Ian to that flat. I am assuming the flat is full of crackers because Steven intends to hold him hostage rather than kill him. My theory is that he locked Ian in a flat 70 stories high and tookl Ian's mobile to stop him contacting ayone, packed up and left.

I reckon that's a perfectly good explanation that covers everything thoughh we won't know for sure till later on - this is just my theory right, mere speculation of how this could have happened.

What do you reckon?

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Im not sure if i like Steven, there is something about him, which makes him interesting to watch of course but i dont know if i like him or not, time will tell, i think there is more to him than what we have seen so far but i hope they tell us what it is unlike Stella

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can't pretend I'm not angry with Steven for what he has done to Ian. He is a bit pstychotic to do that and then go round being the "knight in shining armour" but i cannot help liking him all the same. I mean he does love Peter and Lucy and seems to respect Jane somewhat. He certainly has fondness for Pat. I was sorry for him on Friday when he seemed to repent. I think he needs a lot of help. I was sorry for May but as with Steven both need to take some kind of responsibility for their actions. With Stella my sympathy is very limited indeed. I can't wait till tonight though. I want to see what happens.

[Chris_2k11]

Watched the omnibus yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. EE is really sorting itself out now imo, you can see more and more improvement by the week.