Current Episode Discussion V

[Richie_lecturer]

I can't believe so many people thought last night's episode was so good. It was the usual tripe.

I think the problem is that Eastenders has now created such low expectations that anything, even the tiniest bit above absolutely awful, gets people thinking it's really good. Perhaps that's what the Eastenders scriptwriters were after all along, so they don't have to bother so much in future.
I tuned in last night for the first time in a while Parkerman, and I have to say, I entirely agree with you. It was poor.

Sonia and Naomi - zzzzzzz At least (the awful) Bert finally used the word 'lesbian' and Jim returned to his own nasty self. :)

Patrick and Yolande's new problems - where the hell did that come from? :searchme:

Bradley and Stacey - zzzzz It just goes on and on, round in circles. Just get on with it you two. :rolleyes:

Honey absolutely awful as ever. The grandfather misunderstanding was one of the worst pieces of comedy in Easties ever.

Phil returning was bad enough, but then even worse he has about four personality changes in the episode, and he was only in half of it. :rolleyes:

Grant arriving at the end was pure cheese. I'm so fed up of the way these characters mark their return. "Ello x, ello y, ello z". :rolleyes:

I think I've covered the episode now. I'll tune in next week for 'Johnny Week' (is that meant to be a safe sex campaign? :rolleyes: ) and the week after to see if it lives upto the hype, but I'm not anticipating anything more than the usual tripe.

I don't know if the scriptwriters have stopped bothering Parkerman, but I most certainly have, hence why I stopped watching recently. It's still so poor, and not even a shadow of what it once was. :thumbsdow

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Honey absolutely awful as ever. The grandfather misunderstanding was one of the worst pieces of comedy in Easties ever.
I might actually have to agree with you there!! :eek: :p

[*-Rooney-*]

I tuned in last night for the first time in a while Parkerman, and I have to say, I entirely agree with you. It was poor.

Sonia and Naomi - zzzzzzz At least (the awful) Bert finally used the word 'lesbian' and Jim returned to his own nasty self. :)

Patrick and Yolande's new problems - where the hell did that come from? :searchme:

Bradley and Stacey - zzzzz It just goes on and on, round in circles. Just get on with it you two. :rolleyes:

Honey absolutely awful as ever. The grandfather misunderstanding was one of the worst pieces of comedy in Easties ever.

Phil returning was bad enough, but then even worse he has about four personality changes in the episode, and he was only in half of it. :rolleyes:

Grant arriving at the end was pure cheese. I'm so fed up of the way these characters mark their return. "Ello x, ello y, ello z". :rolleyes:

I think I've covered the episode now. I'll tune in next week for 'Johnny Week' (is that meant to be a safe sex campaign? :rolleyes: ) and the week after to see if it lives upto the hype, but I'm not anticipating anything more than the usual tripe.

I don't know if the scriptwriters have stopped bothering Parkerman, but I most certainly have, hence why I stopped watching recently. It's still so poor, and not even a shadow of what it once was. :thumbsdow

i think it was good, but i have been keeping up with the show, sure naomi and sonia are boring, but i cant ever say i have ever thought of jim as nasty.

billy and honey are the only comedy on the square at the moment, and im actually getting to like bert hes funny when hes with big mo.

the problems between yolande and patrick are due to the fact he had an affair with pat evans

as for the mitchells entrance i wouldnt expect anything more than hello i mean can you imagine phil and grant running up to each other and giving each other a big hug, not gonna happen is it

[Richie_lecturer]

Jim when he joined was a rather racist chap. Even a few months ago we saw his racist past come out when Juley and Ruby were going out.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the comedy side. :)

I was looking at the Pat/Yolande relationship problems from the positionality of Yolande actually. :)

As for the Mitchells, it would be better if they didn't appear at the end of the episode for a start, but you don't have to have a hugging scene between the two either to make it a realistic and uncliched entrance. :)

[*-Rooney-*]

Well I Guess We Both Took Each Others Comments The Wrong Way And Im Sorry But I Cant Remember Jim Being Racist

Well Agree To Disagree

[parkerman]

Jim was certainly racist when he first appeared. He was very unhappy with the idea that his daughter Carol was married to Alan for no other reason than he was black as far as I remember.

[chance]

I was surprised Grant turned up i thought he was going to turn up on mons eppy.loved the bit with kevin and yolande,its the first time ive actually enjoyed a scene with him in it.
worst bit was Ben,no offence i know he's only a little boy but what terrible acting that was with him sitting with minty in the cafe,i was cringing.

[Richie_lecturer]

He did mellow once he realised Alan was a good man, but the racist side of Jim was always just below the surface.

[*-Rooney-*]

See I Never Knew That I Cant Actually Remember When Jim Joined The Square

[soapyclean]

How could anyone not like last nights episode???

Apart from the Naomi/Sonia rubbish of course. Minty taking care of Ben, I loved it when they were talking about Minty having family, Ben not feeling like he was a part of any family, the more Ian tries the further Ben feels he doesn't belong. Then when Ian found him and took him home, "You'd be a great dad Minty." That was great.

Pauline using Rebecca to help Peggy see things from Ben's point of view was great, Bert was a pain at the party. I can see where Peggy wanted to spoil her grandson, but Ian didn't have to be nasty to her about it. She was just trying her best and over compensated with the choice of present, loved how she went mental at Phil for trying to burn Ian's face.

Think Peggy and Jane will have more words to say to Phil and Ian, Minty was wonderful giving Phil what for. About time someone told Phil how lucky he is to have his life, Jane was wonderful as peace maker between Phil and Ben. I felt sorry for her when Ian barged into the Arches and had a go at Phil, wish he'd over heard what Pauline had told Peggy earlier. But Ian is thick as two short planks end to end, always using something against Phil so he can look better.

Stacey/Bradley - how sweet was that, Deano giving him heaps about making dinner for her. Then when they finally sit down Bradley gets cold feet, at least Stacey didn't run out on him. Seeing them talk about the pressure to have sex, sorting out their misunderstanding was good.

Martin, finally coming to terms his marriage is over was great, from telling himself he was over Sonia. Then belting Bert over it, glad they didn't just have Bert walking out the door when he'd taken Martin home, sat down and talked to him.

Yolande trying to take revenge on Patrick for what he did, how many women would've just forgiven or walked out? What he did was rotten to her especially with Pat, Keith was great helping her to see that she didn't really want revenge she needed to talk to Patrick.

The heart to heart they had was great, they didn't have them make up straight away, Patrick has to earn her trust again which is good.

As for Grant turning up in the end was great, yeah I agree they should use new words instead of "Hello, Princess", "Hello, Mum" etc. Could've had him say "Put that bottle down!" or anything else we can come up with :D

[*-Rooney-*]

your right the scene in the cafe with ben and minty was a tugging on your heart scene, and i know peggy is the type of women who would spoil her grandchildren birthday or not but for ians sake she actually made an acception and that would have taken a lot for peggy to do that since she had him a really good gift,its almost like the mitchells and the beales are going to get on then phil appears, by the way what is ben's 2nd name

[littlemo]

Jim was certainly racist when he first appeared. He was very unhappy with the idea that his daughter Carol was married to Alan for no other reason than he was black as far as I remember.

Yeah I remember that, he along with Carol's brothers had big problems with it, Jim was a real bigot in them days. But it was realistic how he came to terms with his prejudices, he met Patrick who he formed a friendship with, and he's become more understanding as time has gone on. I think with a lot of help from Dot as well.

I think the way Jim behaved must have had a big effect on Carol. She went completely the opposite way, and brought her children up very liberally. I think Jim is annoyed that his values aren't being respected.

[littlemo]

How could anyone not like last nights episode???

Stacey/Bradley - how sweet was that, Deano giving him heaps about making dinner for her. Then when they finally sit down Bradley gets cold feet, at least Stacey didn't run out on him. Seeing them talk about the pressure to have sex, sorting out their misunderstanding was good.


Yes, I thought that was really great! They both showed a real maturity. I think their relationship is going to be something really special. Bradley is already having a postitive effect on Stacey. She seems very relaxed in his company, and is able to trust him, which is really good.

If Stacey had less respect for Bradley she might have laughed in his face, when he came out with all that stuff! But she seems really keen on him. Really loving it!

[DaVeyWaVey]

Last night's episode was brilliant! Best episode of the week i think :D I thought Minty shone last night especially talking with Ben. I think he is better without Garry and becomes far more interesting even though i love Garry and Minty together as a double act :D The ending was a bit predictable with Grant saying "ello bruv!" but it was still good :) Go Martin! He punched Bert in the mouth, good on him :p Overall 10/10.

[DaVeyWaVey]

And Stacey and Bradley were so sweet together last night :)

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

How could anyone not like last nights episode???

Apart from the Naomi/Sonia rubbish of course. Minty taking care of Ben, I loved it when they were talking about Minty having family, Ben not feeling like he was a part of any family, the more Ian tries the further Ben feels he doesn't belong. Then when Ian found him and took him home, "You'd be a great dad Minty." That was great.

Pauline using Rebecca to help Peggy see things from Ben's point of view was great, Bert was a pain at the party. I can see where Peggy wanted to spoil her grandson, but Ian didn't have to be nasty to her about it. She was just trying her best and over compensated with the choice of present, loved how she went mental at Phil for trying to burn Ian's face.

Think Peggy and Jane will have more words to say to Phil and Ian, Minty was wonderful giving Phil what for. About time someone told Phil how lucky he is to have his life, Jane was wonderful as peace maker between Phil and Ben. I felt sorry for her when Ian barged into the Arches and had a go at Phil, wish he'd over heard what Pauline had told Peggy earlier. But Ian is thick as two short planks end to end, always using something against Phil so he can look better.

Stacey/Bradley - how sweet was that, Deano giving him heaps about making dinner for her. Then when they finally sit down Bradley gets cold feet, at least Stacey didn't run out on him. Seeing them talk about the pressure to have sex, sorting out their misunderstanding was good.

Martin, finally coming to terms his marriage is over was great, from telling himself he was over Sonia. Then belting Bert over it, glad they didn't just have Bert walking out the door when he'd taken Martin home, sat down and talked to him.

Yolande trying to take revenge on Patrick for what he did, how many women would've just forgiven or walked out? What he did was rotten to her especially with Pat, Keith was great helping her to see that she didn't really want revenge she needed to talk to Patrick.

The heart to heart they had was great, they didn't have them make up straight away, Patrick has to earn her trust again which is good.

As for Grant turning up in the end was great, yeah I agree they should use new words instead of "Hello, Princess", "Hello, Mum" etc. Could've had him say "Put that bottle down!" or anything else we can come up with :D

I absolutely agree it was a fab episode everythig you said is so true

[Dutchgirl]

I just loved Bradley and Stacey, they finally sorted things out between them, they are so sweet together. What Ian said about Phil is not right, certainly not in front of Ben. He cannot say anything so crule with the little boy hearing it. I do not like it when Phil bullies Ian, but this was too cheap. Jane is a real gem she is the only one with a heart for the little kid.
Bert was anoying at the party and on the other hand very warm towards Martin.
Good 1 hour episode.:thumbsup:
Giving it a 9/10

[DaVeyWaVey]

I think Eastenders do hour long episodes very well :)

[tammyy2j]

Great episode. I'm so glad Grant is back. I felt sorry for Phil. Ben and Minty together were great.

[dddMac1]

Fridays episode was good. Ian should let Phil spend time with Ben what he said about flushing his head down the toilet was cruel Phil would never do that to his own son and it's obvious Ben wants to get to know his dad.well done Jane for Bringing them together,glad Grant is back

[leanne27]

Im so excited for tonight's episode cant wait to see Johnny get what he deserves :D

[parkerman]

Don't you think he's suffered enough having Ruby for a daughter...?

[DaVeyWaVey]

Im so excited for tonight's episode cant wait to see Johnny get what he deserves :D

I can't wait either. Should be a great episode tonight and great episodes throughout the week. Can't wait for Johnny to get what he deserves either :)

[Chris_2k11]

Don't you think he's suffered enough having Ruby for a daughter...?And Tina for a girlfriend.......

[littlemo]

Fridays episode was good. Ian should let Phil spend time with Ben what he said about flushing his head down the toilet was cruel Phil would never do that to his own son and it's obvious Ben wants to get to know his dad.well done Jane for Bringing them together,glad Grant is back

It was cruel but I'm not sure Ian was speaking completely out of turn. It's not just his enemies that Phil hurts, his family have had a pretty rough time of it as well. Jamie got beat up, Grant almost got shot and then nearly drowned. It's probably only a matter of time before Ben is on the receiving end of something. He wouldn't mean it, but violence is in his nature.

[*-Rooney-*]

shouldnt it be the other way around

[leanne27]

i dont think phill woudl ever hurt any of his kids, same with Grant their children mean everything to them no matter what they did i dont think they could hurt them.

[littlemo]

i dont think phill woudl ever hurt any of his kids, same with Grant their children mean everything to them no matter what they did i dont think they could hurt them.

I wouldn't be so sure. Jamie was Phil's godson, and when he picked him up from Billy's he was going to make a nice life for him. I think it was another chance for Phil as much as it was for Jamie, but he blew it totally. If Phil starts drinking again, whose to say what would happen. Well you can't really blame the drink, it's just him, his attitude!

[alan45]

OMG its pitiful tonight what about three stooges and the chuckle brothers :crying:

[Florijo]

Woah! What was that wierd thing that was going on at the beginning?!?! Freaky. :eek:

Courtney is a bit of a wierd kid, come to think of it so is Ben. I don't think much of the Mitchell genes. :ninja:

It was pretty cool hearing them talk about Tiffany. Brings back all the memories. :)

Grant had therapy?!?!?! :eek: :eek:

[Chris_2k11]

GETTT JOHNNYYYY WEEEEEK... has begun! :eek: :ninja: :rolleyes:

[leanne27]

i really enjoyed that episode :) i love the banter between Phil and Grant steve and ross have such good chemistry, i cant wait for tomorrow's now i knew it would end on such a cliffhanger!

[x Amby x]

tonights episode was great! i loed the bit where Phil beat up that guy in the Mens loos! lol classic Mitchell way to deal with something annoying! lol

[Tannie]

That episode was really good the nightmare at the beginnig was really freaky:eek:
When they were doing the countdown was it not Bert's voice or was that just me?
I never saw the man getting beaten as i had to make my mum and dad a cup of tea!
But what i saw of it it was really good.

[BlackKat]

Well, that was thrilling. The bit where they played golf…my heart was pounding. Oh, and the bit where they talked. And the bit where they drove. Not to mention the bit where they were talking…and driving. Wow!

It would have been okay if the conversations had been about anything new or interesting. It was just same old same old, and painfully dull.

Courtney annoyed the hell out me, and she only said one line. Billy is looking set to be Phil and Grant’s whipping boy for the duration of their stay, as it always is. It’s so annoying that he can be a strong character who stands up for himself, can be a good father, can earn Jack’s respect, but as soon as they come back he’s back to being Billy Idiot.

And that bit at the beginning…I was supposed to be laughing hysterically…wasn’t I? So what, is Phil Lady MacBeth now? :rolleyes:

[DaVeyWaVey]

I really liked tonight's episode. It may have not been the best but it's building up for a great week. It ended on such a cliffhanger as well so i can't wait til tomorrow. A classic Mitchell way of dealing with things when Phil punched that man in the toilets :D Loved Grant and Phil talking as well about Tiffany and stuff and how Grant got therapy. It was really good tonight and the nightmare at the beginning was freaky :eek: A great way to start the episode and a great way to start "Get Johnny Week" :)

[alan45]

Billy, Minty and Gary what a pathetic trio of no-hopers

[Dutchgirl]

So good to see that Dennis getting killed is haunting Phil, it was his fault so he must have a heart!
I'm too sexy for my shirt.....hahahaha, that was funny! The guy thinking that Phil and Grant being gay!

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Woooh!! Johhny Allen's new house is a bit classy isn't it!! :eek:

[DaVeyWaVey]

Woooh!! Johhny Allen's new house is a bit classy isn't it!! :eek:

Yeah apparently it's the same house used for Footballers Wives, Bruno's house i think :)

[shannisrules]

well A rich buisness man like johnny what wiould you expect i didnt see rubys car parked outside maybe its round the back or in the garage who do you think will open the door ruby or johnny, or will they just break in?

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Ahh cool!! Im just a bit suprised that they went to living in them little houses in the Square to this huge one!!

I vote break it knowing them :p

[Johnny Allen]

Great episode, the humour between the two was priceless, excellent episode, keep it up Eastenders. Great to have Ross Kemp and Steve McFadden back.

[*-Rooney-*]

i was shocked when they went on the journey to essex and the only reason grant and phil went anywhere was so grant could have a calm brotherly chat but phil had other ideas but im glad he let billy in on the mitchells business because did you see how big and important it made him feel even if all he did was make a few phone calls, how different is grant i was shocked i along with everyone else thought they were going away to deal with "a problem" but they werent not according to grant.

did you see the size of that house no wonder ruby cant remember who stacy is living there, she probably has people paid to brush their teeth for them

[*-Rooney-*]

got to say welcome back boys .

[littlemo]

So good to see that Dennis getting killed is haunting Phil, it was his fault so he must have a heart!
I'm too sexy for my shirt.....hahahaha, that was funny! The guy thinking that Phil and Grant being gay!

Absolutely fantastic! I loved seeing Grant back, he's such a great character, and the two of them together, I just love them! The banter was great, the 'therapy' thing with Grant threw me too. Oh and I love the way they are introducing Carla into it slowly, Grant was speaking Spanish on the phone! Nice!

I'm glad they are bringing the Dennis thing up again. It got brushed under the carpet too quickly, for too long. Like you I am glad they are showing Phil has a heart, what he did to Dennis was nasty and spiteful! And Johnny needs to get his just desserts for having Dennis killed. Not sure about Phil, I'm liking him and Grant together, so I don't want him to leave but what he did to Dennis was bad.

Oh yeah and that 'Right said Fred' comment was really funny.

[*-Rooney-*]

grant is definately hiding something though i mean when the carla situation came up grant quickly shot it down, he told phil she dont mind him coming down to london and he also didnt answer the phone to her on an occasion and when he was speaking spanish he wasnt exactly using a loving tone was he.

plus when phil asked how long he was staying he just answered a while, obviously nothing is set in stone

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Where to start it was an okay episode bit too much Mitchell action im hopeing tonight will be better as im assuming we get to see Johnny tonight.

Didnt like that begining its was freaky however it was a good way to start as it was so freaky. I think its a bit unrealistic though that he has only just started having nightmares.

Did i miss something it was like Courtney just showed up out of no where if they was doing this she should have been with Grant friday because i was expecting her to show up with Carla.

Anyone else think she is alot like Tiffany in the way that she is very cheeky like when Billy said that she was pulling faces at him and Peggy said she is a nine year old child she puled a face as if to see yeh see im nine i can get away with it just like Tiffany used to do.

The rest was a bit boring nothing really worth mentioning but i guess it was an okay episode glad to hear Grant is sticking around for a bit

[parkerman]

Well, that was thrilling. The bit where they played golf…my heart was pounding. Oh, and the bit where they talked. And the bit where they drove. Not to mention the bit where they were talking…and driving. Wow!

It would have been okay if the conversations had been about anything new or interesting. It was just same old same old, and painfully dull.

Courtney annoyed the hell out me, and she only said one line. Billy is looking set to be Phil and Grant’s whipping boy for the duration of their stay, as it always is. It’s so annoying that he can be a strong character who stands up for himself, can be a good father, can earn Jack’s respect, but as soon as they come back he’s back to being Billy Idiot.

And that bit at the beginning…I was supposed to be laughing hysterically…wasn’t I? So what, is Phil Lady MacBeth now? :rolleyes:

I'm with you BlackKat.

I thought it was an hour long episode but when I looked at the clock it had only been on 20 minutes. Those interminable conversations going round and round and round and round....zzzzz.... :searchme:

[tammyy2j]

Great episode glad to see Grant back. I thought Phil would have told Grant about his involvement in Dennis death. It is good to see he is suffering over it. I thought Phil was going to burst out laughing when Grant said he went to therapy.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Great episode glad to see Grant back. I thought Phil would have told Grant about his involvement in Dennis death. It is good to see he is suffering over it. I thought Phil was going to burst out laughing when Grant said he went to therapy.

Yeh he should have told him about that do Grant understands why he is so into getting Johnny but i think he does later in the week as i saw some clip on GMTV.

[*-Rooney-*]

oh yeah yeah def looked like tiff

[soapyclean]

Glad to see them concentrating on the brothers interacting with each other before going to Johnny's. Loved the banter between them, Phil was great in the cafe toilets what idiot would sing that song to a bald person that looked upset anyway?

Billie was great, telling Minty and Gary to leave the garage :D

Good too see Phil tortured by what he'd done, instead of the usual push it under the carpet.

[*-Rooney-*]

yea it was a good episode yesterday and apart from the action in the toilet it was the mitchell brothers on their best behaviour

[soapyclean]

I think the guy in the toilet deserved what he got, as I think he was looking for a fight so he could have a go at them. Instead he got Phil peeved at him and ended up having a good talk with the wall :D

[JustJodi]

I think the guy in the toilet deserved what he got, as I think he was looking for a fight so he could have a go at them. Instead he got Phil peeved at him and ended up having a good talk with the wall :D

There was a quote from Grease... the guy was" cruisin for a brusin", so he got what he deserved.. I honestly think Phil thought Grant took him out to "take out" some baddies,, so he was all worked up, and that guy just tipped him over,, tsk tsk.. and u noticed there was a bit of a spring in his step when he came out ( even tho Billy had given him some critical info:rolleyes: )
One thing is obvious Grant and Carla must be having quite an arguement, loved it when he yelled at her in spanish,, ooooh :cheer:

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

yea it was a good episode yesterday and apart from the action in the toilet it was the mitchell brothers on their best behaviour

Absolutely agree. Did anyone ever buy the video the Mitchells naked truths alot of what they was talking about lastnight is what you see them clear up on that video

[*-Rooney-*]

did you see grants face at the end when phil said its johnny allens house hemust know that there is some sort of recent trouble between them.

grant seems to look like he has turned out to be a good family man and a good dad which is what tiff accused him of not being when she tried to run off with courtney before she died

[soapyclean]

About time he was a good family man, but looks like troubles ahead with him and Carla since he yelled at her in spanish. I take it it was naughty :D hope he flips when he hears what Phil did at xmas :D

[dddMac1]

Brilliant episode full of comedy the start was a big Freaky when Phil had a nightmare about the night Dennis was killed,good to see them both back and talking about old times,Grants face when Phil told him where they where,the new Courtney is a bit weird but she could be Fun
cant wait till tonight

[*-Rooney-*]

all phil did at xmas was tell dennis that it was johnny who killed andy, it was dennis who beat up johnny and made the crucial mistake of leaving his phone there so johnny used one of his contacts to kill dennis

[soapyclean]

If he hadn't wound up Dennis, he wouldn't have gone over there and beat up Johnny. Him and Sharon would've been on a plane to America :D

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

If he hadn't wound up Dennis, he wouldn't have gone over there and beat up Johnny. Him and Sharon would've been on a plane to America :D

Absolutely and im glad he is finally show signs of suffering even if it seems a little unrealistic that its taken so long for the nightmares to start

[soapyclean]

He was so busy with Sharon that he would've supressed what happened, then coming back everything has awakened what he did.

Good to have flash backs :D

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

He was so busy with Sharon that he would've supressed what happened, then coming back everything has awakened what he did.

Good to have flash backs :D

I wouldnt call it flashbacks that was just scary it was more scary than when it happened

I think he should have had nightmares just after it happened aswell just to make it more real

[Johnny Allen]

yeah but how do we know he hasn't had nightmares, I mean he left Walford pretty quickly after Dennis's death so we don't really fully know if he has had nightmares or not.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

yeah but how do we know he hasn't had nightmares, I mean he left Walford pretty quickly after Dennis's death so we don't really fully know if he has had nightmares or not.

I guess he could have had when he was in America but he should have had a couple while he was still around before aswell at least a few episoded before Sharon spoke

[littlemo]

I wouldnt call it flashbacks that was just scary it was more scary than when it happened

I think he should have had nightmares just after it happened aswell just to make it more real

Yeah that nightmare thing was pretty freaky! When it first came on I was like, It's not christmas! What the hell is going on! It was really odd. I loved that bit when he looked down and he had blood on his hands. He should feel very bad for what he's done. I don't know if he should confess to Sharon though because they've always been good friends, it would just be a way of easing his guilt. But then again should Sharon be friends with him! It's a tough one.

I suppose it's pretty handy to have a Mitchell around. Her dad and Dennis are dead now and with the kind of circles her family mixed with, it's always handy to have somebody on hand, if she gets into a sticky situation. With Phil she knows that if she ever needs any help of the violent nature, he's always available.

[Abi]

That dream/premonition was seriously wierd. I wondered for a split second if this was actually EE. Seems like they're taking a huge step away from conventional Eastenders, and closer to Dallas!! :rotfl:

[Florijo]

I can't take Johnny seriously when he is wearing a pink jumper. Johnny Allen does not wear pink jumpers.

[Chris_2k11]

I can't take Johnny seriously when he is wearing a pink jumper. Johnny Allen does not wear pink jumpers.Looks like he does today! :o :lol:

[di marco]

yeah but how do we know he hasn't had nightmares, I mean he left Walford pretty quickly after Dennis's death so we don't really fully know if he has had nightmares or not.

thats what i was going to say as well, hes only just got back and theyre not going to show every nightmare he has are they? i thought it seemed to hint that he had had them before and they were a frequent thing

[di marco]

oh and what is with the kid that plays courtney? shes seriously weird!

[Chris_2k11]

Really good episode tonight! :cheer:

[Florijo]

What was with all the "clean living" etc etc that Ruby was going on about? That was wierd and what with the pink jumper and all, I am kind of wondering if the real Johnny Allen would stand up, please!! And since when was Johnny an alcoholic? I don't remember him having much of a drink problem before.

[shannisrules]

good episode johnny looked quite scared when phil came in his office, i cant take jonny seriously either when he wears a pink top lol

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

And since when was Johnny an alcoholic? I don't remember him having much of a drink problem before.

He said he started drinking after he left Walford

[littlemo]

I didn't think it was as good as last night's episode. I thought it was too long winded. And I don't understand why Grant would be interested in what happened between Phil/Juley and Ruby. And that stuff Grant was saying about Ruby coming to meet Courteney, Why?! When would there ever be an occasion where their paths would meet, under those circumstances (as it is now).

I feel sorry for Sharon!

[alkalinetrio]

haha i wish phil was wearing hes pink shirt aswell now that wud have been a laugh lol i think he wud have been interested cause it was a disgusting thing he done and cant believe hes brother done that

[Richie_lecturer]

What an earth was that? Utter tosh, just like last night.

How odd that Johnny has state of the art steel doors and an amazing CCTV system, but no guards/guard dogs or even a simple alarm. :rolleyes:

How on earth did Grunt get Danny in a cupboard and keep him in there? He must have knocked him out somehow?

Phil and Johnny alone in a room together, and they're talking about their battles with the bottle, Ruby, etc, ridiculous. Ruby leaves her dad to a psychopathic monster in Phil Mitchell, while she has a casual natter with Grunt: "Oh you should visit Courtney sometime" - give me strength. :rolleyes:

Also at the end of this, will the Mitchells be prosecuted for criminal damage and trespassing? Johnny also got the homeowners' rights laws a bit mixed up.

Absolute rubbish, didn't buy it one bit.

3/10

[Johnny Allen]

How on earth did Grunt get Danny in a cupboard and keep him in there? He must have knocked him out somehow?



Well it would be pretty simple to knock Danny out, even I could do it, he's a wossy man so coming under Grant's punches would have knocked him out.

I actually thought the episode was cracking, it was a bit daft in places, but the conversation between Phil and Johnny was priceless, when Johnny kept referring to him as Phillip and said "they should call you filth Mitchell" I was laughing my head of. I thought it was excellent, and I actually thought Johnny still looked quite threatning with a pink jumper.

[Richie_lecturer]

I should admit though that the idea of Danny La Moon being a hard gangster is ludicrous. :rolleyes:

[alan45]

What an earth was that? Utter tosh, just like last night.I thought it couldnt get any worse than last nights rubbish. I was wrong

How odd that Johnny has state of the art steel doors and an amazing CCTV system, but no guards/guard dogs or even a simple alarm. :rolleyes: There are no criminals in Essex, people can leave their doors open
How on earth did Grunt get Danny in a cupboard and keep him in there? He must have knocked him out somehow?Just one of the many tricks he learned in Ultimate Farce
Phil and Johnny alone in a room together, and they're talking about their battles with the bottle, Ruby, etc, ridiculous. Ruby leaves her dad to a psychopathic monster in Phil Mitchell, while she has a casual natter with Grunt: "Oh you should visit Courtney sometime" - give me strength. :rolleyes: This is the new caring touchy feely EE

Also at the end of this, will the Mitchells be prosecuted for criminal damage and trespassing? Johnny also got the homeowners' rights laws a bit mixed up. Considering they get off with murder, possession kidnap and general Thuggery I hardly think so.

Absolute rubbish, didn't buy it one bit.

3/10[/QUOTE]You forgot the highlights of the show. Pink Jumper man and the Scones

[Richie_lecturer]

..and the Organic Goats Milk. :rolleyes:

[alan45]

Oh yes and the nearly exploding beetroot

[Debs]

i thought tonights episode was great, love having grant back in it, not only because he is rather hunky but also because he is a brillaint actor.

roll on wednesdays episode cannot wiat

[alan45]

i thought tonights episode was great, love having grant back in it, not only because he is rather hunky but also because he is a brillaint actor.

roll on wednesdays episode cannot wiatHe didnt really show much acting skills tonight now did he. It was just the same old Mitchell bullying. Such cliched acting

[Debs]

He didnt really show much acting skills tonight now did he. It was just the same old Mitchell bullying. Such cliched acting


thats what i love best about the mitchell brothers, the fights they always get into! i like grants new caring side:)

[Chris_2k11]

roll on wednesdays episode cannot wiatWednesday's episode?? :searchme:

[Debs]

Wednesday's episode?? :searchme:


i meant thursdays episode!!! sorry!

:eek: and christopher birks, when did you get back from the shops :eek:

[Chris_2k11]

i meant thursdays episode!!! sorry!

:eek: and christopher birks, when did you get back from the shops :eek:Aww you had my hopes up there debs... I thought there might have been an extra episode :)

Oh and don't worry, i'll come on now :p

[alan45]

thats what i love best about the mitchell brothers, the fights they always get into! i like grants new caring side:)Grant Mitchell's caring side is as believable as Johnny Allen Fashion Guru :rotfl: He seriously nedds to consult Trinny and Susannah

[Debs]

Grant Mitchell's caring side is as believable as Johnny Allen Fashion Guru :rotfl: He seriously nedds to consult Trinny and Susannah


:rotfl: :rotfl: i kinda like his pink jumper, was hoping the ee site would say where they got it from i think my hubbie would love it :rolleyes: :D

[alan45]

:rotfl: :rotfl: i kinda like his pink jumper, was hoping the ee site would say where they got it from i think my hubbie would love it :rolleyes: :DOff the peg at War on Want :p :rotfl:

[alkalinetrio]

the pink top was nice ill wear it but of course ill have to costumize it haha 2nights episode was good hope theres more action on thursday and fridays episodes

[soapyclean]

Loved last nights episode, there were some low points mainly Johnny Allen his pink sweater and dodgy chat with Phil.

Grant thinking they had settled the score with Johnny back in Walford was great, the reference to Grant not liking his brother lying to him is a build up. Especially when Ruby and him had a nice chat over tea and scones :D Grant had already told her he didn't want to be there. So offering her the chance to talk and hang around with his daughter was nice of him, Ruby was fed up with her father so didn't care about Phil being in the same room.

Loved Grant when he told Phil he'd left his hand grenades back with Courtney :D Even though it was a bit long winded, best bit was Ruby telling Grant what Phil had done to her and Juley. Another warning how Grant will finally leave EE??

[Siobhan]

have to say, the pink jumper killed the hard man look and we have to see it again on thursday.. Danny was locked in a room.. wonder how he will get out

[tammyy2j]

Johnny Allen wearing a pink jumper, Ruby making scones, Grant having tea and scones with Ruby. Am i watching Desperate Housewives?

Another good episode i'm so glad Grant is back.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

This weeks episodes have been great yesterday was a tad boring but bits were funny and well done to Ruby for letting Phil in that office and then getting on with Grant.

I think it would be good if Courtney did make friends with Ruby okay there is no reason they should but it might prove to work out well

[Siobhan]

This weeks episodes have been great yesterday was a tad boring but bits were funny and well done to Ruby for letting Phil in that office and then getting on with Grant.

I think it would be good if Courtney did make friends with Ruby okay there is no reason they should but it might prove to work out well

ruby is a bit to old to be friends with Courtney, she is 17 and courtney is 9... at 17 would you have ever hung out with a 9 year old... i am sure she can take her out and play with her but not be her friend

[soapyclean]

Grant did say Courtney was used to being with older teenagers, if he doesn't have any other children with Carla then Ruby as a sister figure would work.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Absolutely i would love to see if something could happen there it could work out really fab

[soapyclean]

Once Grant goes for good, who will Courtney live with? I would've thought Carla she's known her most of her young life.

Sorry for going off topic :D

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Once Grant goes for good, who will Courtney live with? I would've thought Carla she's known her most of her young life.

Sorry for going off topic :D

Is Courtney staying in Walford then

Does Grant leave and never come back :eek:

[Dutchgirl]

It is all abit boring, nothing much happening, was hoping more would happen. Goats milk, whatever's next?

[Katy]

im liking peggy doing her grandma act its kind of sweet. It suits her. So glad grant is back. Not sure about the new courtney though.

[littlemo]

Is Courtney staying in Walford then

Does Grant leave and never come back :eek:

No. I think when Grant leaves after 3 months Courteney and Carla go with him. And I do think he will be back, he's got a very good deal with the BBC at the moment. And I am assuming that involves him making another comeback in the near future.

[Katy]

the mitchells are going to be forever returning and leaving returning then leaving. I think its about time a new family became the squares main focus. Im glad ross kemp is going to return in the future i love seeing him on screen.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Great episode last night. I thought Ruby and Grant's chat was really good and so was Phil and Johnny's getting a bit violent at the end as well :) I think Ruby's acting has improved even though i thought she was good before. Good to see Danny make a random appearance as well. Can't wait til tomorrow's episode looks great! :)

[stacyefc]

i know i can't wait it should be good. how nice is johnnys house?

[littlemo]

i know i can't wait it should be good. how nice is johnnys house?

Very nice! Who wouldn't want to live there instead of Walford?! Ruby would! I suppose being bored is the price you have to pay for being rich.

[soapyclean]

Think Ruby was glad to talk to someone who was as upset as her about the situation, the actress has improved alot. Her range has gone from straight faced to different faces for different moods, goats milk was as Ruby said her father wanted them to go on a health kick.

So pleased they didn't make her nasty over Phil not telling Grant about her and Juley, think she was just giving him all the facts.

[Midnight]

Okay, I loved Tuesdays episode but Mondays was too boring. The start, nightmares I liked . . . freaky and dark. I think Phil deserves to pay for what he did. I hated it hen Johnnny admitted to killing Dennis because he did it so cruely. My friend thinks Phil still loves Sharon but I never, ever want them to get together! He doesn't deserve her.

I don't think they should kill Johnny this week, not enough build up.

[dddMac1]

loved tuesdays episode johnny's face when he seen Phil on CCTV.Ruby was glad to have someone to talk to grant is a good listner

[Richie_lecturer]

I don't think they should kill Johnny this week, not enough build up.

They're not. It's Danny who's the victim.

[soapyclean]

Wonder who finds his body :D because we know someone is boudn too.

[Richie_lecturer]

Lofty Hollaway probably, which leads to his return to Walford.

[Siobhan]

Wonder who finds his body :D because we know someone is boudn too.

Saska, or Den Watts :rotfl: they are buried beside him

[parkerman]

I think Winston will find the body. This will lead to him having a big part in Eastenders. No more than he deserves.

[Richie_lecturer]

Even if he just says a few words, it will be welcome.

"I've found a body". Doof doof....

[x Amby x]

Even if he just says a few words, it will be welcome.

"I've found a body". Doof doof....

yeah and he'll be first in the cast list at the end, because whoevers in the last scene is top of the cast list! lol Winston will shoot to fame as a main character in Walford! lol

[soapyclean]

Wouldn't that be great, Winston about time he got to be a shining star :D

[Richie_lecturer]

What's more, on that second slide (the first has the writer of course), he'll be the only character listed. The likes of Ruby and co will be shafted to the bottom of the seventh slide, just before the production credits.

[parkerman]

Can we get up a petition? :cheer:

[Richie_lecturer]

I'll sort one out. Anyone got a scroll?

[parkerman]

I'll see what I can do. It would be a win-win situation. Elevate Winston to star status and relegate Ruby to also-ran...

[Cornishbabe]

danny just aksed ruby what dad thinks about him??

[alkalinetrio]

danny asked and hes completly lost it lol

[Cornishbabe]

thats what I met. I think everyone has lost it really

[soapyclean]

TOnights is far to bitsy, the storylines are so cut up I can't keep track of whose meant to be where and doing what. How did Jake get out to Johnnys in less time than it takes to get there, too disjointed.

THought they'd leave the brotherly fight when it was their mum being threatened, didn't sit right.

[Florijo]

Okay, Danny is freaking me out, Johnny has gone crazy, Phil has lost his mind. They have all gone mad. :ninja:

Danny has always been wierd but he has crossed the line into complete crazy land. :ninja:

I can't help finding this all so hilarious. Johnny "Crazy Alcoholic Gangster" Allen in his pink jumper, Danny "Don't call me stupid!" Moon, Jake "I'm a plank" Moon etc :lol:

Is it evil to have really wished that that skip has completly crushed Phil in that car? :ninja:

[shannisrules]

good episode tonight really enjoyed it danny has just completely lost it i thought it was kinda pervy when he was in the scenes with ruby also why does he take so offensively to the word "stupid" ?

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Oh my god!! Danny is scaring me big time!! What's up with the perviness with Ruby!! :ninja: I promise I won't look! :).. Er no I don't think so!! :eek:

I like all the action but I think it was a bit unrealisitic how Phil didn't really have any major injury with heavy skips falling on him!! :nono:

Im quite liking the whole Mitchell thing for reasons, so I like the epi's so far :thumbsup:

I liked this episode, I personally think it's fab.
.

[crazygirl]

what a load of rubbish this week i have not enjoyed 1 episode I'm really disappointed no wonder e/e keep losing viewers

[BlackKat]

Danny made me want to vomit. No exaggeration. That was just…not fun to watch. :sick:

[Chris_2k11]

I expected tonight's episode to be a lot better than it actually was.

[Florijo]

What is up with Danny? Is he meant to be mentally ill or something?

[leanne27]

i think so, he seems to have gone really manic, i think Johnny has really screwed with his head, i felt sick when i saw the tiny little room danny has at the Allan's he lives like a slave and the way he looks up to Johnny

[crazygirl]

danny has certainly lost the plot! it looked like he was going to shoot himself when he was loading that gun in the office

[alkalinetrio]

hes mentaly ill and johny is using him and screwing with him! i still like dannys caracter! i enjoyed tonights show!

[Richie_lecturer]

I swear it's getting worse. Total utter tosh.

It has been so hyped up, yet so unconvincing, so unconvincing, so contrived, and so unnatural.

It was all totally ludicrous.

3/10

[Dutchgirl]

I'm confused! Danny best mates with Johnny, Danny in bed with Ruby, Danny in Johnny's suit, and more of the sorts.:eek:

Is it just me, or is it to much?:sick:

[JustJodi]

I was totally confused too DG:confused: Too many events going on at once,, I was not comfortable watching Danny stroking Rubys hair while she was asleep, Did I "hear" this right,, Danny wanted to know if "Dad talked about him at all" Danny is a total screw loose. This evenings episode was very disjointed........:rolleyes:

[JustJodi]

What is up with Danny? Is he meant to be mentally ill or something?

Yep hes a total screw loose, not stupid but totally disturbed !!!!!!

[Johnny Allen]

it was a bit all over the place, and for the love of God why did Danny have to come back. I enjoyed tuesdays episode, I didnt like this one as much.

[chance]

Well in my opinion they have totally ruined grants character,he is just too sensible for my liking.Steve macfadden was brill tonight,very funny,first time ever i can say i actually prefer phil to grant!

[alan45]

The new improved touchy feely Mitchells yet another total transformation of characters that fails miserably What next Peggy Mitchell speaking proper english :rolleyes:

[littlemo]

I was totally confused too DG:confused: Too many events going on at once,, I was not comfortable watching Danny stroking Rubys hair while she was asleep, Did I "hear" this right,, Danny wanted to know if "Dad talked about him at all" Danny is a total screw loose. This evenings episode was very disjointed........:rolleyes:

No Danny being in bed with Ruby wasn't comfortable for me either. And when he told her to undress while he was in the room, I found that creepy. Surely he could have stood guard outside the bathroom?! I think it was very understandable that Jake would have a problem with Danny's behaviour. Danny seems quite psychotic!

It was quite strange how Phil just walked out of the car when he drove his car into a pile of skips and about 2 crashed down on top of him.

I thought the bit when Phil was making fun of Grant for his great life was funny. Grant's local beach is the Copocabana and where did him and Carla meet again? I hadn't heard of it, but it seemed to be very amusing to Phil. It was great when he started singing! lol.

Grant mentioned 'kids' again but still no mention of Courteney's brother or sister. I heard a while ago that he has a son called Bruno. Whether that's true I don't know.

[alkalinetrio]

wooooo for phils singing haha i forgot about that bit! danny looks up to johny to much and johny is taking advantage of dannys mental illness! phil going mentle i just love it:D looking forward to eastenders 2moz:)

[soapyclean]

Danny was NOT IN bed with Ruby, he was ON TOP of the COVERS stroking her hair which I thought was creepy as well.

WHen he told Jake to get out of HIS house was creepy as well, you could see him losing the plot in the office. Jake wanted to take care of him, but Johnny has screwed with his mind so much that Danny doesn't want to listen to Jake any more.

Phil singing was funny, I can't remember the name of the place Grant and Carla met. But as I said in an earlier post it was far too disjointed to enjoy, it was good but not as good as I'd been expecting. Hope tonights is alot better :D

[Johnny Allen]

lets hope Grant gets more of a chance to do his bullying act soon.

[Siobhan]

I really enjoyed last night episode. Danny has seriously lost the plot and i am unsure if he wanted to be with Ruby or whether he was doing the Dad act, getting her to sleep and stuff..

How the hell did jake get there so quicky when a taxi couldn't make it around the corner.. has he got a Jet. I love the end of it, my heart was going 90 when the skips came down on the car... excellent stuff from EE

:clap::clap::clap:

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Slightly boring nothing really interesting happened infact it was so boring i started doing so boring computer maintenance work lol. Johnny annoyed me i wish he would just die and be done with it. I cant believe Danny gave Ruby a sleeping pill and was sitting stroking her head in a rather stalkerish way.

Looking forward to tonights episode know what happens lol i cant wait the sooner it happens the better.

I hope tonights isnt as boring as lastnight or as annoying either Johnny and Danny really are made for eachother they are a right pair of idiots and such a suited team.

Loved Grant although i would say there was way to much Mitchell action again and not enough of other things.

Glad Billy is involved it seems Grant trusted him lastnight and he seemed really happy about it.

Not the best episode this week im sure tonights will be better and i hope it lives up to all the stuff ive heard about it.

[parkerman]

I swear it's getting worse. Total utter tosh.

It has been so hyped up, yet so unconvincing, so unconvincing, so contrived, and so unnatural.

It was all totally ludicrous.

3/10
Totally agree, Richie. In fact, I was going to come on here this morning to say that I thought Eastenders had surpassed itself last night. In spite of all the competition in recent months, I think last night's episode was the worst ever. It was just appalling. I think 3/10 is being a bit generous.

[tammyy2j]

WTF has happened Danny he has totally lost the plot i thought at one stage he was going to kiss Ruby. I don't know how Jake got there so quickly it didn't make sense. I really want Johnny to die now. This episode wasn't great as Monday and Tuesdays.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

WTF has happened Danny he has totally lost the plot i thought at one stage he was going to kiss Ruby. I don't know how Jake got there so quickly it didn't make sense. I really want Johnny to die now. This episode wasn't great as Monday and Tuesdays.


It took Phil and Grant ages to get to Johnny's how did Jake do it in ten minuites

[parkerman]

Jake caught an Eastenders "Black Hole Co. Ltd." taxi...

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Jake caught an Eastenders "Black Hole Co. Ltd." taxi...

I think your right there he did that rather quicky how un realistic

[Kim]

It took Phil and Grant ages to get to Johnny's how did Jake do it in ten minuites

They were coming from a golf club. Maybe it was the other side of Walford but Phil decided not to go through Walford as Grant probably would have stayed there because he didn't kinow the truth at that time.

[Siobhan]

They were coming from a golf club. Maybe it was the other side of Walford but Phil decided not to go through Walford as Grant probably would have stayed there because he didn't kinow the truth at that time.

I doubt it somehow.. let look at this.. Johnny leave phil and grant, to get back to his house, not far away. Grant calls billy, Jake overheards and yet makes it to Johnny's house before he does and he was only a couple of estates away????

Not bloody likely

[Richie_lecturer]

Totally agree, Richie. In fact, I was going to come on here this morning to say that I thought Eastenders had surpassed itself last night. In spite of all the competition in recent months, I think last night's episode was the worst ever. It was just appalling. I think 3/10 is being a bit generous.
Nah I don't think it was the worst ever, but then again last night's episode was just like most of the episodes of the past 3 and a half years - absolute tripe. 3/10 is probably about right, though thinking about it, it was nearly as stupid as the Cardboard Funfair two years ago.

I wonder if there will be a backlash to this week's stuff by viewers if they share the same opinions as me? So far this week, the ratings have stayed as they are, in the low-mid 40s - they have slowly declined from the high 40s in the last few weeks, so the hype for 'Johnny week' may not have captured the viewers' imagination.

[?????]

OMG That was bloody good! danny looked really creepy at one point i thought he was gonna rape ruby. he is losing the plot in my eyes...Did anyone find it hilarious when Jake says that Johnny doesn't like Danny and wanted to kill him so Danny says 'well, we made up'?
also How the hell did jake get to johnnys house so quick, did he go by helicoptor or something ? and by the look of it I think Johnnys lost it as well...
With the wrinkles and the pink jumper he looks like a t wat!

[soapyclean]

Why do parkerman, richie lecturer and a few others even watch EE when they continually bash the show???

There is an off switch you know, and other channels that you can use instead of coming in here after the show and beat the tripe out of it.

If you think you can do heaps better, please put in a script for the EE bosses and see if you get picked for writing.

Yeah last nights wasn't as good as I hoped, but the little bits of acting I loved were brilliant. Ruby and Danny, Grant and Phil talking about how great Grant's life is, Billy and Jake.

I agree with somethings that weren't right, but to continually bash it means some people need to watch something else instead.

[Siobhan]

Why do parkerman, richie lecturer and a few others even watch EE when they continually bash the show???

There is an off switch you know, and other channels that you can use instead of coming in here after the show and beat the tripe out of it.

If you think you can do heaps better, please put in a script for the EE bosses and see if you get picked for writing.

Yeah last nights wasn't as good as I hoped, but the little bits of acting I loved were brilliant. Ruby and Danny, Grant and Phil talking about how great Grant's life is, Billy and Jake.

I agree with somethings that weren't right, but to continually bash it means some people need to watch something else instead.

Soapyclean, everyone has a right to their opinion. How boring would this be if it was only for people who thought the show was great. I am very bias when it comes to EE and sometimes what Alan, richie and parkerman have to say makes me stop and think and see another side to EE that I don't see..

[Richie_lecturer]

Why do parkerman, richie lecturer and a few others even watch EE when they continually bash the show???

There is an off switch you know, and other channels that you can use instead of coming in here after the show and beat the tripe out of it.

If you think you can do heaps better, please put in a script for the EE bosses and see if you get picked for writing.


Now now, I'm just giving my opinion, as is Parkerman and others. We watch out of loyalty and also give praise where it's due, e.g. Pauline and Joe's wedding. However as a viewer from day 1, I feel EastEnders in the last three or so years has gone down the toilet.

I do switch off EE from time to time. I gave up on the show three weeks ago, only to return this past week to see if the Johnny week stuff is good value (though of course I have been bitterly disappointed as you might gather). I plan to stop watching again sometime next week, so that should cheer you up. :)

Oh, and for the record I have done scripts for drama plays, so while I'm not Shakespeare standard, I know the ball game and what I see at EE in terms of writing and plots (IMO) are farcical.

Again, my opinion. No need to get worked up about it. Let's be friends. :)

P.S. Thanks for the backup Siobhan. :)

[parkerman]

Why do parkerman, richie lecturer and a few others even watch EE when they continually bash the show???

There is an off switch you know, and other channels that you can use instead of coming in here after the show and beat the tripe out of it.

If you think you can do heaps better, please put in a script for the EE bosses and see if you get picked for writing.

Yeah last nights wasn't as good as I hoped, but the little bits of acting I loved were brilliant. Ruby and Danny, Grant and Phil talking about how great Grant's life is, Billy and Jake.

I agree with somethings that weren't right, but to continually bash it means some people need to watch something else instead.

Sorry if you don't agree with my opinion about the show, but, as Siobhan says, if everyone agrees it would be very dull and really there would be no point in having this message board at all, would there?

Yes, I know there is an off switch, but I do pay my licence fee, so, maybe I have a right to expect that BBC programmes should be of a reasonable standard.

It's not a matter of whether I could do "heaps better". I don't get paid for writing TV scripts. I expect the people who do to write better. There is a big debate going on nationally about the way the elderly are treated in hospitals; it doesn't mean that all the people who complain could suddenly become "heaps better" doctors or nurses. But they have a right to expect those that get paid for doing it as their job should carry out their job properly.

I used to really enjoy Eastenders. It used to be really good. I am very disappointed by the current standard and I would like it to get back to the standard it once was. If I just turn off or don't say anything what's the incentive for anyone to make it better?

[leanne27]

Why do parkerman, richie lecturer and a few others even watch EE when they continually bash the show???

There is an off switch you know, and other channels that you can use instead of coming in here after the show and beat the tripe out of it.

If you think you can do heaps better, please put in a script for the EE bosses and see if you get picked for writing.

Yeah last nights wasn't as good as I hoped, but the little bits of acting I loved were brilliant. Ruby and Danny, Grant and Phil talking about how great Grant's life is, Billy and Jake.

I agree with somethings that weren't right, but to continually bash it means some people need to watch something else instead.


Totally agree with you soapyclean

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

I agree with you soapyclean but then again I do see the bad sides of the show which Richtie mentions every now and then!! EE has got a variety of viewers with different opinions :) But otherwise yes the bashing jokes are usually rubbish :p

[soapyclean]

Its the constant bashing, the jewels in the episodes get left out of the posts. Like Ruby and Grant talking, Billy, Minty and Gary. Don't just pick out the bad stuff in the episodes.

Grant swearing(?) at his wife in spanish was funny, the Phil trying to sing was hilarious, Danny going psycho was interesting and scary.

Write to the producer of EE then if your not happy with the standards, make suggestions in your email/letter, about what you'd like to see in EE. It's never been a happy place to live but when there are happy times, it's good.

[leanne27]

i think eastenders has been brilliant this week :) nobody has a problem with other peoples opinions and discussions are always good, but if an opinion is said once then fair enough but as soapyclean said to constantly hammer eastenders maybe you shouldn't watch it or even comment as we all love it here :) LOL

[parkerman]

So I guess the message to me is, if I can't say anything nice about Eastenders don't say anything at all.


Goodbye then. It was nice knowing you all. :(


However, I might see some of you on the Coronation Street and The Bill message boards as these are both well written and well acted soaps and I can say nice things about them. :thumbsup:

[soapyclean]

What I said WAS make your posts more rounded, as there are jewels in the episodes to be pointed out.
Be CONSTRUCTIVE and email EE about how you feel :D

[Florijo]

I enjoy reading the different opinions. I hope parkerman and Richie et al continue to post here.

To be honest, I have been really disappointed in the "Get Johnny Week". It all seems very disjointed and why they brought Danny back I will never know. The guy is sick (his pervy thing with Ruby, filming the murder of Dennis on his phone) and now that plank Jake has gone and killed him. And to save the Mitchells of all people!! The whole thing is crazy.

I can't believe Johnny went with the police because of what Ruby said and confessed. Why do EE always have to destroy the bad guys/girls before they leave? Johnny should have gone down fighting, not like some wet fish.

I wonder how long it will take for Danny's body to be found? I predict a few months, tops. Saskia's body did not last long in Epping Forest and I doubt Danny's will either.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Amazing episode cant believe Danny has the entire thing on his phone...evil man he is. Im so glad Ruby got Johnny to confess...i must admit when i first heard about all this it sounded crap and out of character but it was fab and extremely well done.

People who talk to me alot will know im lets say loving Ben shall we so i was extremely pleased to see him appear in the episode even for the brief time he was there for so cute

Not really much else to say at the moment im sure i will get more things to say the more oppinions i read

[soapyclean]

Sarah Phelps did make up for whom ever wrote Thursdays epi, tonights wasn't as disjointed but some parts were unbelievable.

Like Jake getting out of London in under an hour hehe, Loved some of the Phil/Grant moments.

They had to have someone take the wrap for killing off Dennis, so they brought Danny back as the hitman for Johnny as he never did his own dirty work. (Did they forget Andy Hunter?) Liked how Danny was going deeper and deeper into his own world, he didn't want to be thought of as a fool, he wanted Johnny's life but have Ruby as his g/f. How old did he think he was?

Glad they had Grant try and talk his way out, he almost got there till he made the stupid remark to Phil. Poor Jake, shooting his brother, definately unbelievable having Johnny give himself up like that.

More believable if the brothers had gone after Johnny instead, dragged a confession out of him then dumped him on the steps of the Police station.
Loved Peggy's comment about Grant being a ganat, loved how they showed Jake torn up about killing his brother by accident. I wanted to hug him :D

[DaVeyWaVey]

Great episode tonight. I really enjoyed it and the whole week was building up for tonight which was excellent. I thought it was pretty sick that Danny filmed Sharon screaming after he stabbed Dennis just so he could so Johnny what he done. I found it really moving and when Jake seen it, i just felt like saying to Jake to beat him up for what he did and i actualy felt like punching Danny myself when i was watching it. I am glad Johnny confessed to the police. It seemed out of Johnny's character but because of the brilliant acting, it was put across really well. I hope the Mitchells give something back to Jake for saving them from Danny. Stacey seemed pleased to see Ruby at the end. 10/10 :)

[chance]

Best eppy all week! A big thumbs up from me! :cheer:
Didnt like the way jonny just went and handed himself in,i dont think someone like him would be likely to do that,daughter or not.
Loved all the slushy brother stuff!

[Richie_lecturer]

I can't believe Johnny went with the police because of what Ruby said and confessed. Why do EE always have to destroy the bad guys/girls before they leave? Johnny should have gone down fighting, not like some wet fish.

I wonder how long it will take for Danny's body to be found? I predict a few months, tops. Saskia's body did not last long in Epping Forest and I doubt Danny's will either.

The Johnny turning himself in business is totally ridiculous and unbelieveable. Do the writers do ANY research on the East End Underworld? :rolleyes:

As for Danny: Jake's left all the evidence behind in the woods. If someone finds that lot he will be sent down (knowing EE this will conveniently be forgotten about). Also how did Jake recover from being unconscious in Johnny's kitchen, to rushing out to the exact point of the forest where the others were, and to shoot in the nick of time? :rolleyes:

Too much focus on Ruby and Moonies - zzzzzzz

The plot was totally ludicrous, but at least it was a better written episode from Sarah Phelps this time round.

Best episode of the week, but that isn't saying much IMO.

3.5-4
/10

[soapyclean]

Oh you mean the sneakers of Danny sticking out of the ground ROFL too funny, but nothing else was seen so I take it he took it all back with him.

They forgot how Johnny threw Andy off the bridge, so no most don't do their research of London under world gansters.

Well we'd have to take it while Danny was marching the brothers out to shoot them, Jake was coming around on the kitchen floor.

It was the right amount of Ruby, her reaction to finding the phone, her scenes with Johnny weren't how a teen would act with that knowledge. But she was great with "Most people watch porn, but this is your porn." (can't remember word for word)

She loved Dennis and Sharon so her reaction to that was right. I'd give it alt more just for the little jewels of Jake wanting to bash Danny's head in for killing Dennis. Ben of course and a couple of others i mentioned.

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

Johnny turning himself in was soooo unbelievable!! We all know the Real Johnny wouldn't do that!! He's a gangster for god sakes!!

I don't really see why they brought Danny in and then killed him in a week, the mental illness he was quite interesting but sick to watch.. they shouldn't have shot him so soon.

The brotherly love was sweet lol. I liked the way Danny recorded the whole Sharon scene and how Ruby found it and showed Johnny and everything, cleverly done. This could have led to a few thigns, which is why Danny shouldn't have been shot so soon. This is coming from someone who dosen't really like Danny much.

Courtney is a bit annoying with acting of a spoilt child with a really squeaky voice..

Bless Ben and Phil waving at eachother but Im sure this is not the end and Phil has learnt or whatever!!

Oh yes, reading from soapyclean's post, I like the way Ruby said, " Most men watch porn, but this is your porn! " :rotfl: Good one :p

[soapyclean]

It would've been interesting if they had Danny's illness run a bit longer rather than bring it out in a week. Doesn't fit right, there are too many storylines they could've continued for a bit longer this week.

The actor who plays Johnny didn't like how they dealt with the character, he wanted it alot better than what it was.

Too many people with too many ideas, they should bring in some decent storylines that don't run on too long so they drag out. Long enough to keep us interested too see where it goes, Ruby and Jake would be interesting since she knows he killed his brother.

Drop some of the crappy storylines they have had of late, and bring in something fresh for the cast to chew on.

[x Amby x]

what a great episode, im glad Jake got rid of Danny, he was sick, i can't believe he filmed Dennis' murder on his phone and then stood there filming Sharon cryong over him, and then he had to cheek to say Sharon kept going on and on saying 'Dennis, Dennis' her husband had just been murdered what did he expect, anyway, i thought Ruby was quite good tonight, finally standing up to Johnny, i felt so sorry for Jake at the end! :(

[Johnny Allen]

It was by far the best episode of the week, I throughly enjoyed it, ok the whole Johnny giving himself up thing was a bit daft but the rest was top notch, and well Grant and Phil were very good tonight as per usual. I will miss Billy Murray in the soap, he has been a real asset, and I will certainly miss Johnny Allen, Danny? I couldn't give a damn about.

[littlemo]

Brilliant! Loved it!

Danny was psychotic! I feel a bit sorry for him actually, if he had been convicted of Dennis's murder he would have gone in a mental hospital, prison wasn't the right place for him. I think if Dennis was alive he would have sympathised with him. Johnny Allen was the real culprit! I liked Jake tonight!

Great scene where Grant was almost killed! But then much like the Mitchells they go on chatting happily like nothing ever happened. I would have thought Grant would have needed a bit of time to get his head together, but no, not Grant!

Nice Ruby's with Stacey now, but poor Jake, no family to turn to, he's got nothing either!

[*-Rooney-*]

i cant help but be shocked by the new grant it was like a total personality transplant which was good in a way because if grant could change that much for courtney then why cant phil do it for ben

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Ruby was brilliant lastnight okay its not how a normal person would react to having just seen Dennis' murder had been filmed on a phone but we have seen her be strong with horrible stuff that you wouldnt expect her to be strong with before...i guess if you live with Johnny for 17 years you get used to it and feel able to stand up to him.

People are saying back a few posts that its unrealistic for Jake to have got up got into the forest and save Grant in the way he did but arnt we pleased he did and how do we know that Jake wasnt just pretending to be unconscious (sp) so that Danny didnt hurt him even more.

Ive mentioned Ben in my last post so i wont say to much but that wave to Phil was so cute it really was.

Bless Phil you could just see how upset he was when that gun went off and he thought Grant was dead and he was a bit shocked and traumatised by the whole thing bless him...i guess he does have a soft side.

What has happened to Danny he was alright as a curly haired cry baby but now he goes around filming murders for Johnny and giving innocent teenagers sleeping pills and "protecting" them, i was glad to see him dead to be honest.

Brilliant episode would have been better if it was on for an hour but it was fab with all the action brilliantly done im glad they proved me wrong

[lollymay]

i thought it was really good, but there was so much going on in one episode and i thought that johnny giving himself up like that was a bit stupid but apart from that it was great.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Another thing i should have said before was why do we think its stupid Johnny giving himself up like he did people do stuff for their daughters and Johnny does love Ruby and he did what his daughter wanted to show for once that he does love her and still wants to be her dad whats stupid about that?

[lollymay]

it doesnt seem realistic that jonny allen the so called hard man would just give himself in like that.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Maybe not but it is possible he would for the love of his daughter who just happens to be the only family he has now. His not been a good father to Ruby maybe this is his way of showing he loves her and that he can be a good man

[the_watts_rule]

Last night's episode was brilliant! Great acting from all the characters. I can't believe how sick Danny was to film a murder on his phone, to show Johnny how proud he was. Even worse when he was going to shoot Grant and film it aswell. I felt no sympathy for Danny what so ever but I felt rather sorry for Johnny at the end because he wasn't the one who killed Dennis but I suppose he was the ringleader. 10/10.

[soapyclean]

Johnny only gave himself up because he wanted to manipulate his daughter yet again, she could see right through him with his "I'll change, nothing will be the same. I promise" that speech yet again :D

Ruby knew what would get him to give himself up, and used it against him perfectly.

[BlackKat]

I felt no sympathy for Danny what so ever but I felt rather sorry for Johnny at the end because he wasn't the one who killed Dennis but I suppose he was the ringleader. 10/10.

Johnny was the one who killed Andy though, and he's killed others, or orderered them to be killed. So it's not like Danny killed Dennis and now poor Johnny's got to take the blame. He is to blame. In fact he's more to blame than Danny because Danny wasn't well. He had serious mental problems and Johnny took advantage of that.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Johnny was the one who killed Andy though, and he's killed others, or orderered them to be killed. So it's not like Danny killed Dennis and now poor Johnny's got to take the blame. He is to blame. In fact he's more to blame than Danny because Danny wasn't well. He had serious mental problems and Johnny took advantage of that.

Yeh Johnny deserved what he got i wont pretend i wouldnt have preferred him to die aswell but i guess this way his in prison and paying for wat he did, killing Johnny wont give him that this way he has to live with what he has done for the rest of his life

[alan45]

So I guess the message to me is, if I can't say anything nice about Eastenders don't say anything at all.


Goodbye then. It was nice knowing you all. :(


However, I might see some of you on the Coronation Street and The Bill message boards as these are both well written and well acted soaps and I can say nice things about them. :thumbsup:

Dont be silly. There are some of us who enjoy your witty and intelligent posts.

You are as much entitled to post here as anyone else. Obviousl everyones idea of a quality soap is different.

The only reason I havent been posting my views about EE recently is that I find myself turning over from it now after a few minutes of tedium. In my opinion the Return of the New Improved Caring :rolleyes: Mitchells has been a bit of an anticlimax and certainly as good as the hype. As for Johnny Week it should have been renamed Johnny WEAK

I do not know of any other program where the chracters personlities change not only from week to week but almost from day to day depending on who has written the episode

[Martin]

i really really enjoyed last night's episode.

I totally wasn't expecting Danny to die, I thought he was back on the show for good, all the times i'd seen him interviewed and things, it was good when they can still pull out a shock like that.

Ruby was the best thing about last night though, she is such a benefit to that show

[Chris_2k11]

Ruby was the best thing about last night though, she is such a benefit to that show :eek: Please say you're joking! :eek:

[Martin]

no i'm serious, i really really like her.

[leanne27]

it doesnt seem realistic that jonny allen the so called hard man would just give himself in like that.

Johnny is a good gangster but always turned to mushc when around ruby, i think it was a good way for him to go, the one last thing he could do for his daughter as he does love her and that is the only good thing about johnny! LOL

[soapyclean]

Martin I agree, Ruby was good last night better than some of her old stuff. as they say it can only get as good as the s tuff they are given.

[xCharliex]

Well i have to say this weeks episodes have been fab to watch! EE was back at its best this week, obviously thanks to the Mitchells! I did think for one second that Danny had really shot Grant! I was glad when he didnt though! I wonder if this could be a turn for Phil to change his ways???
Great acting from all those who were in Thurs and Fri nights ep! Im reckoning the ratings soared this week!

Well done EE, they have done well this week!

[Richie_lecturer]

Im reckoning the ratings soared this week!



I'm afraid they haven't, but I am still waiting for Friday's ratings. The figures are still low, in the mid-40s, behind Corrie who are in late 40s/mid 50s. When you consider the return of Grunt in October made the ratings soar into mid 50s, it would seem, despite the PR adverts lately, that the Mitchell magic is possibly wearing off.

[xCharliex]

Oh dear, im quite surprised by that then! Maybe some of the old time viewers found the storyline a bit OTT! i enjoyed it, it had me on the edge of my seat, and most of you know im an Emmerdale fan! But like i said fab episode, just wait and see what happens next week, if the Brothers talk about it anymore

[soapyclean]

It's not the brothers magic, its some of the writers they have. If they changed their writing style and got more imaginative, not boring like it has been.

[Richie_lecturer]

Well I don't think the Mitchells were magic. They were OK in the early days but they fell out of favour with me after a while.

Sadly the writing is as equally unmagic on many occasions. Though I thought Sarah did a fair job last night of making something out of a p*ss poor plot.

[callummc]

well the chuckle brothers return hasn't improved their ratings for this week,they didn't beat corrie and the highest they got was 10 million,i also think EE are crafty having everyone watching to see if they beat emmerdale instead of watching how they compare with corrie,since they began they were allways in competition with the street now all of a sudden they prefer to compete with emmerdale making me think they are not trying hard enough anymore and i'm afraid to say with shows like 24 and prison break on i am fast losing interest in ee i'm sick of guessing whats gonna happen before it does

[Meh]

Its been a while since I watched EE and managed to catch Fridays episode. I just watched incredulously to see toughened grown men turn into wet drips. The ending with Johnny confessing to his list of crimes was just pathetic and that pretty much sums the episode up.

I'm not critising the actors, just the script writers. I get the feeling that the script writers were once Mills and Boon writers. How about doing something unique and give Russel Davies or similar a couple of seasons. We need some gritty storylines, not those wrapped up in some romantic idealism.

[alan45]

. I get the feeling that the script writers were once Mills and Boon writers. :rotfl: :rotfl: Love it! Great analogy there NB. Whatever next Gwant and Fill go Morris dancing. It will be even more unbelievable if a few weeks down the line they resume their hardman images again just to fit in with the whim of whatever luvvie is writing the scripts that day

[DaVeyWaVey]

well the chuckle brothers return hasn't improved their ratings for this week,they didn't beat corrie and the highest they got was 10 million,i also think EE are crafty having everyone watching to see if they beat emmerdale instead of watching how they compare with corrie,since they began they were allways in competition with the street now all of a sudden they prefer to compete with emmerdale making me think they are not trying hard enough anymore and i'm afraid to say with shows like 24 and prison break on i am fast losing interest in ee i'm sick of guessing whats gonna happen before it does

10 million :eek: I thought they would have got higher than that maybe 11 or 12 million. I am quite surprised.

[Jojo]

So I guess the message to me is, if I can't say anything nice about Eastenders don't say anything at all.


Goodbye then. It was nice knowing you all. :(


However, I might see some of you on the Coronation Street and The Bill message boards as these are both well written and well acted soaps and I can say nice things about them. :thumbsup:You stay posting here Parkerman - I for one love reading yours, Alans and Richies comments and opinions and last time I looked, I'm sure we were still allowed freedom of speech in this country (just about anyway lol) Life would be boring without differences of opinions.

I've watched EE since day 1, and I was totally disappointed by this week, all hyped up over nothing - hardmen turned fairies (though I just generally look at Ross Kemp and not really listen to him!!)

With all the trailers for it, I thought it would be so much better but in the end, I felt they could have done far better. It just wasn't the EE of old when they had weeks focussing on one particular storyline. I'm just glad I sky +d it again - hit that fast forward button :D

[Dutchgirl]

Well Stacey was nice to Ruby! Let's see if she continues with Bradley! Hmm Jake was good as well. What will the next week bring to us?

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Last week was fab im hopeing this week will be good to...it sounds really good from what ive read and now that Ruby is back with Stacey i would like to see if she will be different with her this time...i really hope she can

[tammyy2j]

Poor Jake but a great week for EE

[parkerman]

OK, I thought I would return to posting here if only to show it's not just me! (or Richie or Alan). Did anyone see the article in this week's Sunday's Mirror?http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/showbiz/kevinosullivan

It sums exactly what I thought about last week's "special". There were no redeeming features at all as far as I could see. I'm sorry if some people are unhappy with that but that's how I feel.

[Siobhan]

I loved Friday nights episode. I knew what was going to happen cause i read the spoilers but I still had my eyes closed when grant had the gun to his head and jumped when I heard the shot. I was afraid to open my eyes in case it was grant...

I do totally agree that it was way beyond belief, how did jake get to the woods so quick and johnny handing himself in but as he said in the end, if you don't have kids, you won't understand. that is true, all us parents know you would do anything for your children, even give yourself up

Grant therapy happen when courtney was 2, so how come he had the hardman act when he first came back last year???? Again something EE writers over looked

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Yeh i knew what was going to happen aswell but was still on the edge of my seat (not literally) waiting to see what would happen...i mean i knew Danny would die and not Grant but i didnt know how they ould do it so it was all exciting watching it unfold and it was so intense watching it

[Jojo]

OK, I thought I would return to posting here if only to show it's not just me! (or Richie or Alan). Did anyone see the article in this week's Sunday's Mirror?http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/showbiz/kevinosullivan

It sums exactly what I thought about last week's "special". There were no redeeming features at all as far as I could see. I'm sorry if some people are unhappy with that but that's how I feel.I'm in total agreement Parkerman - you stay with us :D I'm a fan, but I've hated a lot of what I have seen lately and I enjoy reading your opinions along with Alans and Richies - a discussion thread means it contains a discussion, whether that be good or bad and fans should be able to see the good and the bad....keep posting :D

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

I'm in total agreement Parkerman - you stay with us :D I'm a fan, but I've hated a lot of what I have seen lately and I enjoy reading your opinions along with Alans and Richies - a discussion thread means it contains a discussion, whether that be good or bad and fans should be able to see the good and the bad....keep posting :D

I totally agree it would be boring if we all agreed with eachother i like reading others oppinions even if i dont agree with them, the fact that i disagree that last weeks episodes were rubbish doesnt matter the fat that people disagree with eachother is wat makes it enjoyable to come in here and discuss the episodes

[Jojo]

I totally agree it would be boring if we all agreed with eachother i like reading others oppinions even if i dont agree with them, the fact that i disagree that last weeks episodes were rubbish doesnt matter the fat that people disagree with eachother is wat makes it enjoyable to come in here and discuss the episodesExactly Vicky - and I have witnessed the praising posts from these guys when they have occurred too - they alway give credit when they think its due, but for some of us that have watched from the start, in our opinions it hasnt been up to scratch lately, but then I loved the christmas editions when Kat & Alfie left together....we are all individuals which is what makes our lives interesting :D

[stacyefc]

i watched the onibus yesterday and it was great. aww did you see jakes face, there was 2 things that bothered me thought.
1. when phil thought grant was getting shot he said "sorry grant" and turned his head. i think that phil would of ran at danny to try and save grant
2. why didn't jake shoot danny in the leg so he didn't die

[Siobhan]

i watched the onibus yesterday and it was great. aww did you see jakes face, there was 2 things that bothered me thought.
1. when phil thought grant was getting shot he said "sorry grant" and turned his head. i think that phil would of ran at danny to try and save grant
2. why didn't jake shoot danny in the leg so he didn't die

answer to your questions
1) danny would have shot phil and then shot grant anyway so Phil had to say sorry as he was the one who got grant to go to johnnys house in the first place

2) jake closed his eyes and pull the trigger, he thought he would hit his leg or arm but he was a crap shot..

hope that helps

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Exactly Vicky - and I have witnessed the praising posts from these guys when they have occurred too - they alway give credit when they think its due, but for some of us that have watched from the start, in our opinions it hasnt been up to scratch lately, but then I loved the christmas editions when Kat & Alfie left together....we are all individuals which is what makes our lives interesting :D

Exactly wouldnt life be boring if we all acted the same and thought in the same way, no one is exactly the same okay you get people that are alike in one way or another but everyone has bits that others dont and just because people like Richie Parkerman and Alan dont like some of the episodes that have been on recently doesnt mean those that do like them has to say their oppinon is not welcome here because people like me enjoy reading opinions and then saying wether or not we agree with them or not, that is afterall what a discussion is.

[Richie_lecturer]

Thanks for the kind words people. :) Yes I do give praise when it's due too.



OK, I thought I would return to posting here if only to show it's not just me! (or Richie or Alan). Did anyone see the article in this week's Sunday's Mirror?http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/showbiz/kevinosullivan

It sums exactly what I thought about last week's "special". There were no redeeming features at all as far as I could see. I'm sorry if some people are unhappy with that but that's how I feel.

Yes I saw it and agreed with him too. I actually do think (scummy) Bushell's actually spot on in his article about it:

MITCHELL-IN MADNESS
IT WAS a tough week for Johnny Allen on EastEnders.

Not only was he a secret alcoholic, but the pink elephant he could see wobbling up his hallway turned out to be Phil Mitchell.

Yes, the Knuckle Brothers are back. Hurrah! The soap had fun with them too. "Right Said Fred have reformed," muttered a diner in a roadside caff. Later Phil battered the bloke in the khazi for singing I'm Too Sexy. The Freds should sue. Especially as Phil's version would be: "I'm Too Heavy For My Scales." Talk about Phil Michelin. Steve McFadden looks more like Buster Bloodvessel these days.

Sadly, the only Fred song that the plot brought to mind was Deeply Dippy.

The low point came on Tuesday. Johnny was safely holed up behind his steel-plated office door, with two hostile Mitchells outside.

Ludicrously, drippy daughter Ruby cut off the phone, their one link to the outside world, and started smashing vodka bottles. She then waltzed out, leaving the door open for Flabby Phil, while she settled down for scones with his pop-eyed bruv. The scripting was farcical. Like bad kids' TV. When that skip fell on Phil's car, you expected him to slip out completely flat, like a cartoon, and shake himself back to normal.

As for Grant's "ferapy"... leave it aht. A bloke like Grant would no more see a shrink than he'd eat quiche or sleep with Pat Butcher. Whoops! There I go giving them ideas again. The Grunt we love was a head case who beat up coppers and knocked up conquests on the Queen Vic carpet.

Can we trust exec producer Kate Harwood not to ruin him the way she neutered Johnny?

Probably not. Billy Murray must have squirmed every time his character got rewritten.

This week, we had to believe that strict disciplinarian Johnny would be pushed around by his sulky, spoilt-brat daughter' that he'd give up liberty and lifestyle to keep Ruby (un)happy' that he'd employ a loopy loser like Danny as his minder...

And don't get me started on that pink pullover.

Yep, expect to see Grant get beaten to a pulp before the summer. Probably by his missus.

It was a frustrating week. More fun than Sonia and Naomi or Bert and Mo, but still less than convincing.

BBC1 know that the fate of the show depends on how well this pair of ageing potbellied, slapheads perform. That's why the wages bill for Grant, Phil and Peggy is more than £1 million a year.

But what's the point of spending bucketloads on the talent if the writing is still two-bob?

[Siobhan]

:clap::clap::clap: very well said... why spend that much on the people if the script is ****

[Jojo]

Richie, Parkerman, Alan - I salute you all :D :clap:

The scriptwriting is awful at the moment.

Since when did "gangsters" wear pink pullovers, admit to guilt that easily etc

I'm still waiting for EE to get better again - is it going to happen any time soon?? :searchme:

[Chris_2k11]

I'm still waiting for EE to get better again - is it going to happen any time soon?? :searchme:I think it's lost the plot completely ems. It's never gonna get back to being as good as it used to be, as we all know. :(

[Richie_lecturer]

Thanks Jojo. :)

I'm going to stop watching again at some point this week, as it still hasn't improved IMO, so I'll be quiet again on here. That will please some people. :) :p

I might dig out some old tapes/DVDs of past EE episodes and remind myself of how great the show used to be, and how rubbish it is now by comparison.

[Jojo]

I think it's lost the plot completely ems. It's never gonna get back to being as good as it used to be, as we all know. :(
Thanks Jojo. :)

I'm going to stop watching again at some point this week, as it still hasn't improved IMO, so I'll be quiet again on here. That will please some people.

I might dig out some old tapes/DVDs of past EE episodes and remind myself of how great the show used to be, and how rubbish it is now by comparison. Its a crying shame to see how far it has gone down hill over the past few years - 10 years ago, I would never miss an episode, especially week specials, but these days - all sky +d and half the time I don't bother watching, just delete them....

P.S Richie - you're welcome to call me Ems, just like everyone else :D

[Richie_lecturer]

Ok I shall call you Ems then, thanks for letting me know. :)

[littlemo]

I think it's lost the plot completely ems. It's never gonna get back to being as good as it used to be, as we all know. :(

Anything is possible! They manage to make good BBC drama's, they could just as well put some of that energy into making great episodes of EE.

Firstly they need to make the way Eastenders is made more like Corrie. Have a group of script writers working on each episode, not just one person. You can't change the story every episode, it's unrealistic, and completely stupid! They have to realise that Eastenders isn't invinsible, they cut Brookside (which was one of the best soaps ever, in it's day). They've got to do something!

[BlackKat]

They do have a team of people on each episode. The script writer gets told what has to happen in the episode, they go away and write it, and then someone edits it, they do redrafts etc. The storylines don't change from episode to episode, it just that some script writers are better than others -- not necessarily in terms of plotting and storylines, but in writing dialogue and getting the characters right etc.

[littlemo]

They do have a team of people on each episode. The script writer gets told what has to happen in the episode, they go away and write it, and then someone edits it, they do redrafts etc. The storylines don't change from episode to episode, it just that some script writers are better than others -- not necessarily in terms of plotting and storylines, but in writing dialogue and getting the characters right etc.

O.k, so it's really just about the scriptwriters and how good they are?! It does seem though that writers forget what has been said in previous episodes, and get it wrong a lot of the time.

Anyway I thought a lot of Friday's episode was brilliant! But I didn't like the rest of the episodes for last week.

[BlackKat]

I do think it's unfair to put blame solely on the script writers. For example, I think James Payne wrote Thursday's episode. I thought it was ridiculous with the car chases and skips crashing onto the car etc. But that isn't James Payne's fault. If he gets told to write a script in which a skip falls on a car, then he has to do it. And the quality of the script will depend on whether or not he can make it a good scene. Nothing will change the fact that there's a skip falling on a car though.

[parkerman]

Thanks for the support people!

There are some things I still like about Eastenders - not many, but some! I like the interaction of the old timers like Dot, Pauline, Jim, Pat etc. I am also warming to Kevin and Jack. But mainly the storylines are a load of old tosh and, for me, last week took the biscuit. How much better would that have been done say ten years ago before everyone had to have an obligatory character change every six months or so?

OK, I'm staying, but be warned...I shall still be fighting for Winston to be recognsied as the great star he is...

[*-Rooney-*]

am i the only one who really enjoyed last weeks episodes???

[alan45]

I think Kevin O'Sullivan summed it up very well in yesterdays Mirror

GRANT'S TURN FOR THE WUSS
2 April 2006
RIP Grant Mitchell. It was nice to have known you. At least it was when you were Albert Square's resident hard man.

But now that you've suddenly turned into a touchy-feely-softy desperately trying to confront the demons of your tortured psyche, frankly baldy - you can take a hike!

This new unimproved family-friendly "come on give me a hug" Grant gives me the creeps.

In just one crazed week the demented EastEnders scriptwriters undermined TV's top tough guy to such a profound extent that I can't see how he'll ever recover.

With Phil and Grant reunited for the first time in six months, we were all looking forward to some classic Mitchell mayhem. In fact we had a right to expect carnage from the terrible twins.

But what did we get?

Grant's nauseating revelation that he underwent therapy to stop being so violent and antisocial.


Therapy? Grant? Do me a favour. "I was drinking too much," whined the simpering slaphead, "Ended up in a couple of fights. I was going to lose Courtney or end up in prison or a body bag. I found an American doctor. I had therapy.


"Apparently the first stop is to confront your demons - and then learn to let them go."


What a prat!


And with that character assassination the Grant Mitchell we knew and loved to hate was effectively laid to rest.


After this atrocity the entire absurd proceedings descended into pure farce.


While fat Phil enjoyed a spot of schoolboy scuffling with ridiculous daughter-obsessed gangster Johhny Allen, his born-again, peace-loving brother was spouting a stupefying series of advice pamphlet clunkers.


Johnny's awful kid Ruby had to sit and suffer as new-man Grant spewed such agony-aunt garbage as: "Addicts make good liars. I should know - Phil was in the same boat once."


Sympathising with Johnny, who was in the vault busy trying to kill Phil, Grant added: "It's not easy being a dad. Especially to girls. He lost his wife and his kid.


"Everybody reacts differently - but when I lost my wife all I could do was cling to my little girl." No matter how hard she tried to escape!


On and on it went. By Friday's explosively silly episode Grant was sounding like a self-help tape.


Worse still, Phil was beginning to lose his entirely justifiable healthy contempt for the God-like conversion Grant had undergone in Brazil.


Still, full marks to the EastEnders researchers for their thorough investigation of the prodigal son's new South American home. How else could this tip-top TV team have come up with this stunningly well-informed dialogue?


Phil: "What's your local beach called where you go jogging?"


Grant: "The Copa Cabana."


Phil: "Is that where you met your wife - the Copa Cabana?"


Grant: "Actually we met on the Ipanema."


Give me a break! Weren't there any more popular songs you could raid for such marvellously educational information?


I half expected Grant to turn to his bruvver and say: "I don't know if you're aware of this Phil w ...but there's an awful lot I of coffee in Brazil."


Instead Phil was starting to glow under the warm light of Grant's halo.


And he cried. Ahh! "I thought I'd lost you," he wept, "After everything I've done why are you forgiving me?"


"Because I'm your brother and I love you," replied Grant, his arms open ready for a hug, "Now come 'ere!"


Pass the sick bag.


That was the dreadful EastEnders week that was.


While Grant and Phil were discovering their feminine side, the unfrightening weed Johnny was persuaded by Ruby to confess to 40 years worth of murders.


And Danny was shot dead by Jake. Not a moment too soon.


Now can we please get back to Walford - and forget about the mincing Mitchell boys for another six months.


At the very least.

[CrazyLea]

Ermm ok. I actually liked some of last weeks, I liked Fridays episode, the rest were kinda boring. I thought that it was good when Jake shot Danny. I feel sorry for him though. Didn't like Phill, but I liked Grant.. it was better than a lot of the crap over the last couple of months (in my opinion)

[x Amby x]

i thought tonights episode was quite good as it was the aftermath of all of last weeks events, aww poor Jake! lol Stacey was great tonight in my opinion (as always! lol) She really stuck by Ruby after the way Ruby treated her the last time they met! I liked the Grant and Courtney bit too, they've got a typical father/daughter relationship!

[BlackKat]

I hate Ruby. She is a terrible character played by a terrible actress. She knew Johnny had killed people before Dennis and she forgave him for it. She knew exactly what he was like. And I don’t give a toss about her whiny reaction to finding out what her dad’s really like, because I’ve seen it before. When she found out before and she forgave him.

Stacey and Bradley annoyed me as well. For god sake, just say that one of your mates is upset and you’ve got to sort it out. You don’t have to say who it is. And just punch Deano in the mouth.

I was disappointed with Dot’s reaction to the news about Johnny. I mean – Johnny Allen was a friend of hers. Dennis was like a son to her. And her reaction to finding out one killed the other is to gossip about it. Badly written.

The Ian and Phil scenes were good. I liked Grant’s interaction with Courtney, and I thought the Jake scenes were great as well, although more of Jake's reaction to shooting Danny would have been nice seeing as it hasn't happened before unlike someone who's name starts with R and ends with 'uby' and just shut the hell up you whiny twit.

[Dutchgirl]

Ah Bradley was nice and so was Stacey. Don't you just love em?

[littlemo]

Ah Bradley was nice and so was Stacey. Don't you just love em?

Yeah I do! I suppose you couldn't blame Bradley for getting the wrong end of the stick. When you see your girlfriend going into her house with two pizzas, calling somebody on the phone babes (when she's said she's going to pick up some stock), your bound to think the worst. Poor thing! He really made a fool of himself, I felt embarrassed for him.

I liked the way he just walked upstairs, and was going to confront the bloke, very courageous. He seems geeky, but he definetely isn't afraid of confrontation!

Good episode! The stuff with Kevin was a bit of a yawn vest, and the Jake thing was a bit boring, as he just sat on his own in the dark, but other than that great! Especially the stuff with Bradley/Stacey and Ruby. And it's nice to have Grant in it, even if it's just in the background.

[DaVeyWaVey]

I really liked tonight's episode. I loved Ruby and Jake's reactions from last week's events. It obviously had a big effect on them. The Bert/Joe trying to get Dot off the scent was good. Dot obviously shown that she can't easily be fooled and be easily led on. Bradley and Stacey are great together as well, it's nice that we are seeing the ups and downs of their relationship. I really felt sorry for Ian with him looking at the photos of Kathy, his acting was brilliant tonight and the boy who plays Ben is a very good actor as well. Overall 9/10 :)

[Richie_lecturer]

An improvement on last week's shambles but still below average.

Best stuff came from Ian/Jane/Phil. Adam Woodyatt showed his acting spurs tonight in yet another compelling performance. :clap:

The stuff at the Fowlers was OK, until Bert and Big Mo wrecked it. :thumbdow

Car lot stuff was so-so.

Bradley and Stacey - yawn.

Ruby and Jake must die.

That covers everything I think.

4.5/10

[*-Rooney-*]

i enjoyed tonights episode:

stacy and ruby: it shows their friendship has always still been their, ruby admitted that she was a bitch last time she saw her

bradley: easily wound up, i know the signs are there but i doubt bradley would have spotted them unless deano kept winding him up

phil: felt sorry for him because of his cancelled night out with ben

ruby: when she saw the newspaper it was a shame she didnt realise exactly what her dad was like, no wonder shes hiding in walford until shes ready. but then big mo with her big mouth just blurted out ruby was at hers

yolande still getting on my nerves now the car lot is up for sale beacuse she says it has caused nothing but trouble, yeah yolande im sure it was the car lots fault patrick and pat had a thing

[Johnny Allen]

I enjoyed tonights episode, it's always good to see both the Mitchell men behind the bar. And Adam Woodyatt was superb tonight.

[alkalinetrio]

poor ian:( first time ever felt sorry for him lol i enjoyed tonights episode!

[alan45]

A reasonable episode tonight compared to last weeks rubbish but compared to tonights Corrie its absolute rubbish

[Richie_lecturer]

Yes despite the improvements tonight, Corrie was still miles better imo.

[alan45]

Yes despite the improvements tonight, Corrie was still miles better imo.The problem with EE is that we get about one good episode every ten days now. What a gratuitous wast of the TV Tax

[Richie_lecturer]

I wouldn't even say it was good, just about average, and we only seem to get an average ep every 10 weeks, not 10 days. :mad: