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xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 20:37

I think the reason why dennis is a little upset with sharon is beacuse on friday Phil told him that Sharon had been to visit Sam in prison. Then also on friday we saw Sharon fleeing from the vic and hurrying over to Grant and phil. Only Dennis was watching from outside the pub. i just think he feels a bit shut out since they arrived. Another thing that was also mentioned in tonights eppy by Dennis was that for weeks Dennis has been telling Sharon that it wasnt Sam who killed Den it was Chrissie. The whole time Sharon was in denial and wouldnt beleive him and was still acting all chummy with her. And as soon as Phil and Grant turn up they tell her the same story only this time she chooses to beleive it. So i think Dennis just feels a bit annoyed that she'd listened to and beleive her ex husband and boyrfriend over her husband who has been trying ot convince her for weeks. i can understand why he's feeling like he is.

CrazyLea

31-10-2005, 20:37

oo that was good. i enjoyed that!

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 20:42

I cant beleive the way Jonny is treating Tina! If i was her i would have thrown that ring right in his face and just walked out! I couldnt take that from any man! Must say though glad he's got Chrissie's confession on tape! :rotfl: hopefully she'll be put in he rplace. She is really starting to annoy me now more than ever. I think i'll have to join Sharon in scrating her eyes out! I hate her! :angry: Jake is getting on me nerves too. when will they just hurry up and leave. I used to like Jakes character when he first arrived and when he was with Danny but Chrissie has turned so sour and boring she's sucked all the life out of him! The perfect couple i think both as looney as each other! :mad:

BlackKat

31-10-2005, 20:47

Ah Tina. 'Tis a pity she's a moron.

The scene with Johnny and Amy -- how nice of them to do a Halloween themed scene. That was disturbing.

Sharon annoys me. I'm bored of the Mitchells now.

I liked Kat's coat. But if I invited my cousin's friend to stay over and only about a week later she was declaring herself one of the family I'd be locking up the valuables.

ALISHA_LOPEZ

31-10-2005, 20:48

Can't believe Jonny Allen though, Hes only just got engaged to that awful Tina woman and hes getting off the new barmaid already. Also Why was he so nasty to Chrissie She never did anything to him! Anyway Great Episode, Love Chrissie she's a fab character I so want her to get away with it:( The mitchells were great always too:)

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 20:51

But if I invited my cousin's friend to stay over and only about a week later she was declaring herself one of the family I'd be locking up the valuables.

:rotfl: lol i thought Ruby was being a bot forward there too! lol. I think Kat should keep an eye on her! lol

squillyfer

31-10-2005, 20:52

I cant beleive the way Jonny is treating Tina! If i was her i would have thrown that ring right in his face and just walked out! I couldnt take that from any man!

If I was her I would have kept the ring and waked out anyway lol after the way he's treating her he deserves all he gets

BlackKat

31-10-2005, 20:56

Oh pish. She's his mistress for ten years. He cheats on his wife and mother of his children with her. And yet she's shocked and hurt when he cheats on her?! :lol:

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 20:57

Also Why was he so nasty to Chrissie She never did anything to him!

Maybe due to the fcat that she is a MURDERER!!!! lol. She has Killed an (almost) Innocent man! Burried him with her bare hands, acted like nothing has happend. Lied and lied and lied and lied a little bit more and black mails him and is basicly trying to boss him about. Its her fault the mictchells are onto him and really its the reason he's lost his daughter! I think Jonny, everyone infact has a good enough reason to be nasty to Chrissie. I mean after all its not like she cant take it! If she cant she should have thought about it before she started acting like a criminal and lieing to everyone! If she's good enough to dish it then she's good enough to take it! It aint like she dont deserve it!

I found it quite funny actually "Dont flatter ya self love!" :rotfl: Maybe under the circumstances Jonny shouldnt be too strict with her after al he has done the same thing only he's had the guts to admit it to his daughter and others not just to some wimpy wanabe.

Tamzi

31-10-2005, 20:57

Pretty good episode tonight. Trouble for Sharon and Dennis already! Poor ruby walking in on Johnny and Amy. Chrissie is really desperate to get away! loved Johnny watching that clip over and over
xxx

Florijo

31-10-2005, 20:57

Good episode. I don't feel that sorry for Tina. I try but she must be pretty stupid not to realise that Johnny only asked her to marry him because of Ruby. Ruby is annoying me as well, as is Kat.

Chrissie and Johnny was good. Oh, dear Chrissie. You made a big mistake there. Still liking Grant, he's doing what Grant does best.

One thing that is really annoying me about this storyline is the constant protection of Princess Zoe. Why is everyone so bothered about protecting Princess Zoe of Walford? She is more guilty than Sam as Zoe hit him.

Nice to hear that Sharon has not forgotten Halloween 2002, when Tom (and Trevor) died. Nice mention of the past.

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 21:00

If I was her I would have kept the ring and waked out anyway lol after the way he's treating her he deserves all he gets

yeah when they were in the cafe or in the kitchen(cant remeber) and he was like you cant wear that poeple will guess, if i was her i would have said ok then i'll wear it on me toher hand then! Its still a diamond and a pretty good ring! But i just think that when tina said somethign like "i was beginging to think this was because of true love" and jonny replied something but implying he wished he hadnt have proposed then i would have just walked out!

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 21:02

Oh pish. She's his mistress for ten years. He cheats on his wife and mother of his children with her. And yet she's shocked and hurt when he cheats on her?! :lol:

Yeah i mean if he can do it with ya he can do it too ya! Thats what they always say anyway.

Nice to hear that Sharon has not forgotten Halloween 2002, when Tom (and Trevor) died. Nice mention of the past.

Yeah i agree. cant beleive its been 3 years. i was sure it was more like 4! I thought it was more than 3. (But then again i didnt actually see the eppy when it was on 3 yrs ago because i was on hols. had to wait till it was on ukgold!lol)

Johnny Allen

31-10-2005, 21:04

Good episode, glad to see Chrissie threating, the net is closing in.

ALISHA_LOPEZ

31-10-2005, 21:12

Maybe due to the fcat that she is a MURDERER!!!! lol. She has Killed an (almost) Innocent man! Burried him with her bare hands, acted like nothing has happend. Lied and lied and lied and lied a little bit more and black mails him and is basicly trying to boss him about. Its her fault the mictchells are onto him and really its the reason he's lost his daughter! I think Jonny, everyone infact has a good enough reason to be nasty to Chrissie. I mean after all its not like she cant take it! If she cant she should have thought about it before she started acting like a criminal and lieing to everyone! If she's good enough to dish it then she's good enough to take it! It aint like she dont deserve it!

I found it quite funny actually "Dont flatter ya self love!" :rotfl: Maybe under the circumstances Jonny shouldnt be too strict with her after al he has done the same thing only he's had the guts to admit it to his daughter and others not just to some wimpy wanabe.

Well Chrissie isnt a professional murderer like Jonny!He's probly killedloads of people judging by the the way he callously pushed Andy off a bridge with out giving it a 2nd thought and gets others to do his dirt work for him.And I dont remember him telling Ruby he killed Andy either he might have said he'd killed someone before but thats about it. Anyway I still like Jonny Allen but he has no right to take the moral high ground when he's probly done much much worst! Anyhoo Chrissie + Jonny are my favourites Villains are the best!:;0

alkalinetrio

31-10-2005, 21:14

oh yes that johny and amy kiss was disturbing

xXxJessxXx

31-10-2005, 21:17

Well Chrissie isnt a professional murderer like Jonny!He's probly killedloads of people judging by the the way he callously pushed Andy off a bridge with out giving it a 2nd thought and gets others to do his dirt work for him.And I dont remember him telling Ruby he killed Andy either he might have said he'd killed someone before but thats about it. Anyway I still like Jonny Allen but he has no right to take the moral high ground when he's probly done much much worst! Anyhoo Chrissie + Jonny are my favourites Villains are the best!:;0

Yeah i agrre that Jonny has done a lot of worst things in his time than Chrissie has. Like jaming peggys fingers in the door. i couldnt even watch that it made me cringe! :thumbsdow :eek:

But what i meant was that jonny had admited to killing someone. he didnt say who but at least he told Ruby that he killed someone which is more than what Chrissie has done. I love watching Chrissie squirm like that! I really hate them both. But then i dont think they're has ever been a villian that i have liked! :hmm: lol I'm so boring! lol.

littlemo

31-10-2005, 21:24

It was an alright episode. I wish Dennis would listen to Sharon, he is jumping to all the wrong conclusions, he's so insecure, poor thing! He really needs to trust Sharon. I know she cheated on Grant but it was a very violent marriage, Grant wasn't blameless. Dennis and Sharon's marriage is based on love and respect. You just can't compare the two. I understand that Dennis is upset that Sharon didn't take on board what he was saying, but she found it difficult to deal with, and it wasn't Grant and Phil who changed her mind, it was Chrissie. He needs to know that.

Chrissie is obviously desperate she is willing to have sex with Johnny. I suppose it's not much worse than sleeping with Den, but she cared about him. Johnny has got the upper hand, he never stops being horrid does he?! His treatment of Tina, him kissing Amy and then his behaviour towards Chrissie, he's really bad. He really reminds me of Den.

littlemo

31-10-2005, 21:28

But then i dont think they're has ever been a villian that i have liked! :hmm: lol I'm so boring! lol.

Are you sure?! There have been some great ones. Nick Cotton, Den Watts, Trevor. I'm sure there's a lot more but I can't think at the minute. Nick Cotton and Den Watts have to be the best ones for me. I love Dennis but I don't think he's really a villan, he's softened up a lot.

ALISHA_LOPEZ

31-10-2005, 21:36

lol I always Like the Villains Best Trevor,Steve Owen,Den Watts,Dan Sulivan,Janine ,Chrissie, and Jonny Allen I think :)

chance

31-10-2005, 21:55

ewwwwwwwww :sick: the slurpy noises coming from johnnys office when he was snoggin amy,yuck!

rubys nostrils were flaring up bigtime when she was in the cafe talking to tina!

desperatley wanted grant to smack kat one!

parkerman

31-10-2005, 21:59

This storyline with Ruby is now seriously doing my head in. :wall:

The rest is coming along quite well. I have to say I was a bit doubtful at first, but it's great to have Grant back. He's such an animal. :lol:

Dennis is brilliant. His one liners are outstanding. :thumbsup:

squillyfer

31-10-2005, 22:05

Yep Dennis will always be king of the one liners

Siobhan

01-11-2005, 09:39

It was an alright episode. I wish Dennis would listen to Sharon, he is jumping to all the wrong conclusions, he's so insecure, poor thing! He really needs to trust Sharon.

Is it just me or is everyone getting annoyed with Dennis? Everytime Sharon does or says something he doesn't like i.e, wanted her dad at her wedding, seen Sam in prison, he just packs his bags and poor Sharon is the one left apologising...

Luna

01-11-2005, 09:45

Is it just me or is everyone getting annoyed with Dennis? Everytime Sharon does or says something he doesn't like i.e, wanted her dad at her wedding, seen Sam in prison, he just packs his bags and poor Sharon is the one left apologising...

Yup big time annoys me - but i think his point last night was that he has been telling her for months that chrissie had done it and she never believed him. I can see why he's a bit peeved at that - but there's no need to go and pack your bags.

Siobhan

01-11-2005, 09:50

Yup big time annoys me - but i think his point last night was that he has been telling her for months that chrissie had done it and she never believed him. I can see why he's a bit peeved at that - but there's no need to go and pack your bags.

Yeah I can understand this time, but this happen everytime he doesn't like what sharon does... Dennis just seems to act like a spoilt child

JustJodi

01-11-2005, 10:31

If I was her I would have kept the ring and waked out anyway lol after the way he's treating her he deserves all he gets

Yea it should be worth a few thousand quid.. at least it will sort of compensate for all the grief she has gone thru with that man ....

xXxJessxXx

01-11-2005, 15:33

Are you sure?! There have been some great ones. Nick Cotton, Den Watts, Trevor. I'm sure there's a lot more but I can't think at the minute. Nick Cotton and Den Watts have to be the best ones for me. I love Dennis but I don't think he's really a villan, he's softened up a lot.

I dont think they're have been really. I mean they're have been vilians that ive liked in the way that i think they have been brilliant actors/actresses and have had some amzing storylines but i dont think ive never liked them as a person.

I hated Andy! and Jonny and Den and Chrissie and Phil and Nick cotton and Trevor. I think from the ones i can remember i like Trevor the best but I still didnt really like him, the way he treated everyone and the way he acted but i did love his acting and the storylinbes he had were gripping but i just didnt like him as a person.

Janine was ok. From time to time. Like trevor i liked her acting and her plots but didnt really like her as a person. its always been like that for me these are the two that stand out the others i havnt even liked their storylines. I just dont think i could like someone who is so mean. I dunno why but its the same in any of the soaps ive watched! lol. Im just weird!

Kim

01-11-2005, 16:21

Yea it should be worth a few thousand quid.. at least it will sort of compensate for all the grief she has gone thru with that man ....

It would have to be an aufully expensive ring then, as she was waiting round for Johnny for over ten years.

Richie_lecturer

01-11-2005, 17:05

Must say though glad he's got Chrissie's confession on tape!

Hmm, Johnny has by miles the most advanced CCTV system ever produced in the world. One that gives one clear picture and audibly perfect. Give me a break! EE writers insulting one's intelligence, yet again. :angry:

More overacting from the Doberman and underacting from RoboJake. :thumbsdow

Tina is dreadful, thank god she is going too. I hope she takes gormless faced Ruby with her as well - wishing thinking on my part.

As for the Mitchells, well you know what I think of them. :moonie:

All in all a poor episode for me, not surprising as it was written by Jeff Povey, one of my least favourite writers. Where the hell is Sarah Phelps when you need her most? :searchme:

soapyclean

01-11-2005, 18:01

hey can we ask for specific writers rather than the lame ones they are giving us???

Since the good ones are always few and far between and they shouldnt be, so about time EE started booting the bad writers not the actors.

shannisrules

01-11-2005, 20:02

brilliant epi johnny isnt as hard as he makes out is he? infact hes quite weak he just acts hard as he gets other people to do his dirty work for him

Florijo

01-11-2005, 20:04

I missed the first 20 minutes. Can someone tell me what happened?

The ending was good, I wonder what Johnny and Dennis will do.

Jada-GDR

01-11-2005, 20:11

OMG DENNIS AND JOHNNY???

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

i didnt know sharon aborted grant's baby :confused: i guess i didnt watch it then so it makes sense really :D

Tamzi

01-11-2005, 20:14

I liked that episode. Nice to see Sharon and Grant having a heart-to-heart. I can see why Dennis thought the kiss was more than it was. Johhny and Dennis, interesting combination! Is that Tina gone forever or is she coming back? Pretty good episode overall
xxx

BlackKat

01-11-2005, 20:15

I thought the ending was crap -- it was all okay until Dennis showed up. And then it was just bad. Nothing against Dennis or Nigel, but the line was cliched and over the top and ridiculous. Johnny was so pathetic in that last scene with Ruby as well.

Sharon is annoying me so much. I was bored with her and Grant. Kiss was blown totally out of proportion in all the mags.

I liked Tina today. Maybe because she actually showed a bit of that fiesty woman we were promised when she came into it. I really wanted her to slap Johnny though. So annoying when he kept grabbing her arm.

Oh, and I love Dawnie so much. :wub:

Richie_lecturer

01-11-2005, 20:22

Tonight's episode was awful imo. Colin Wyatt is another one of EE's worst writers.

hey can we ask for specific writers rather than the lame ones they are giving us???

Since the good ones are always few and far between and they shouldnt be, so about time EE started booting the bad writers not the actors.

No you can't.

They have been recruiting new writers in recent months via BBC Talent(less), but they've also brought back a lot of the writers who made EE so good in the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately I can see that a lot of the writers are either past it and/or their work is meddled with by the bosses. :(

BlackKat

01-11-2005, 20:27

What was Phil looking for anyway? Dear Diary: Today I killed my husband? :lol:

Richie_lecturer

01-11-2005, 20:29

He was probably looking for the secret formula for creating the Doberman's poodle look. :moonie:

Chris_2k11

01-11-2005, 20:40

What was Phil looking for anyway? Dear Diary: Today I killed my husband? :lol:Lmao :rotfl:

xXxJessxXx

01-11-2005, 20:44

What was Phil looking for anyway? Dear Diary: Today I killed my husband? :lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl: Yeah... as though he was just expecting her to have just written it somewhere. i mean c'mon Chrissie isnt thick! She's shown she has a lot of brains under all that hair! She's managed to convince people (including the police, the residents and the corpses own daughter that she didnt do it and sam did!) she's hardly going to have a confession hidden somewhere in her home i mean its the first place the police looked since the body was actually burried there! Also it isnt as though she lives alone either. She shares her home with three other people all of whom know but as far as she's aware only one really knows the truth she's hardly going to leave evidence for them to see is she! lol

I was wonder the reaction of Grant when he finally found out that Sharon aborted his baby. I thought he'd be fuming! Phil seemed more distressed than he was, and wait till Peggy finds out! Sharons in for a right ear bashing! I think it was a case of wrong place wrong time tonight. We saw it as a harmless kiss but to a paranoid messed up middle aged man who is already suspecting his wife of lieing, cheating on him with not only her ex boyfriend but ex husband as well, its going to be quite a shock! no wonder he walked back out again i think i would have hit someone! Not quite sure im liking the aliance with Dennis and jonny. Dennis is so sweet and (almost) innocent and then theres Jonny the Women Basher, Ganster Thug, Sschemer Killer Allen! Some how i think the power to out do the Mitchells has come as a wave of emotion to Dennis and may i add perhaps a little to strongly. Once he's sided with Jonny i cant see a way out for him. Is this the end of Shannis! Over Two and a half years we've been waiting and all they give us is a measly 4 months! Lets hope im wrong. cant wait for thursdays to se dennis's heart to heart with Stacey!

Dutchgirl

01-11-2005, 20:51

Must say the Sharon Grant photo showed another bodylanguage and an other frame as well, maybe they had to shoot it several times. it looked different to the photo.:searchme:

parkerman

01-11-2005, 21:13

What was Phil looking for anyway? Dear Diary: Today I killed my husband? :lol:

Exactly what I was thinking, especially when he was going through her drawers (if you'll forgive the expression! :) )

And where would the Eastenders scriptwriters be without coincidence?

1. Ruby turns up just at the precise moment Johnny is about to hit Tina.

2. Dennis turns up just as Sharon and Grant kiss.

Oh dear...

Richie_lecturer

01-11-2005, 21:15

Yes I'm sick of that as well parkerman. It insults the intelligence of the viewer. Then again EE suspended realism when Den returned so not sure why I am complaining. :searchme:

feelingyellow

01-11-2005, 21:19

it was an ok episode, but johnny and dennis against grant and phil :rotfl:

loved when grant pushed johnny, they really do seem to have a thing with pushing/throwing/threatening people by the bushes don't they?

only bad thing was grant's reaction to sharon aborting the baby, i mean it was sharon: i aborted your baby, grant: ok and then they start kissing i mean it's grant for goodness sake! what's happened to his over-the top violence, peggy would not think him a proper 'mitchell'

JustJodi

01-11-2005, 21:19

What was Phil looking for anyway? Dear Diary: Today I killed my husband? :lol:

OMG BK thats great !!!:rotfl:

Chris_2k11

01-11-2005, 21:22

I know! :D That was a good one BlackKat! :thumbsup:

squillyfer

01-11-2005, 21:23

Must say the Sharon Grant photo showed another bodylanguage and an other frame as well, maybe they had to shoot it several times. it looked different to the photo.:searchme:

I thought that we saw him leaning in from a different angle.

Dont really know if I liked tonight or not. I was actually hoping that the whole grant sharon baby thing would come out differently. Its been a secret for years and they dissmissed it in like three seconds as if it was nothing when its been one of the main focusses of sharons life. Had to laugh when jake asked chrissie if she'd done this before lol like them both but at the same time getting sick of the storyline which is making me hate them.
Johnny and tina seemed a bit pointless I mean what was the point of getting us to like her and then a few months later having her leave without any real build up. Dont like dennis with johnny but I dont think it will last long.
Speaking of dennis he needs to get his priorities straight and as xxxJessxxx said I cant believe they made us wait like two years just for him to behave like a spoilt kid and for her to not seem to care too much that he isnt around.

Chris_2k11

01-11-2005, 21:27

Tonight's episode was awful imo. Colin Wyatt is another one of EE's worst writers.Richie I really don't understand how you can say it was awful. It wasn't great, but I still thought it was quite good. And howcome you're still watching it if you find it so 'awful' ?? :searchme:

littlemo

01-11-2005, 22:32

Yeah I can understand this time, but this happen everytime he doesn't like what sharon does... Dennis just seems to act like a spoilt child

Yes he does. I don't think he's grown up at all. Marriage hasn't even made him mature. I don't think it's his fault though, it's just his character.

Superblue

01-11-2005, 23:39

Yes he does. I don't think he's grown up at all. Marriage hasn't even made him mature. I don't think it's his fault though, it's just his character.

That's the whole point! Dennis is supposed to be a messed-up, insecure individual. It would be ridiculous for him to have lived the sort of life that he's supposed to have had, and then become a well-balanced, sensible human being, who always acts perfectly and does the right things. I think the way he is behaving is very much what you would expect from a character with his background.

soapyclean

02-11-2005, 07:18

Not as good as it could've been, but still a good epi loved Grant and Sharon having a heart to heart. Thought it would've been alot deeper than what it was, and not out by the staircase where they set it, it would've been alot more interesting if it had been upstairs and Dennis had walked in.
Grant said he had changed so instead of going ballistic he saw why she did it and agreed with her, and told her he treated Tiffany wrongly as well. Which for Grant is a big deal, he can be both hard and soft.
As for the punch on Johnny he actually ducked and pushed him away, and of course Dennis went OTT with his feelings but I can understand that too.
Ruby was good tonight, stacey I wish would stay out of other people's business I know she's trying to help but she makes it worse.
About time they foudn someone with a talent for writing not a bunch of wannabe's who have no track record for a good story.

tammyy2j

02-11-2005, 11:03

I would have prefered if it was a two hander episode with just Sharon and Grant.

Chris_2k11

02-11-2005, 11:20

I would have prefered if it was a two hander episode with just Sharon and Grant.Oh no I wouldn't have enjoyed that!

Siobhan

02-11-2005, 11:27

did you notice again Grant said Kids but only mention Courtney???

Keating's babe

02-11-2005, 11:49

It was hilarious the way Grant pushed Johnny at the end. :lol: :clap:

I didn't find Grant's reaction to Sharon's news realistic. Yes it was in the past and he is trying to show he is a different man now, but she aborted his baby and there is no way someone would have reacted that calmly to it.

I like Tina and thought the relationship she had with Ruby could have been explored more. Instead of axing the character before they had chance to develop it. Also she had a friendship with Pat and that seemed to have been brushed under the carpet. But, Tina was the mistress and did she really expect Johnny to change. If he could cheat on his wife and family for 10 years then she must have wondered whether he would ever do the same to her.

Joanne

02-11-2005, 12:40

I presume there is an upcoming storyline about Dawn being in alot of debt? The way she was spending yesterday and she said having Swann on her card meant she could get extra credit - i would guess she's got more than one card.?

Debs

02-11-2005, 12:42

did you notice again Grant said Kids but only mention Courtney???

that confused me too??? has he only got courtney and then maybe his partner has a few kids?

Debs

02-11-2005, 12:44

chance

02-11-2005, 12:52

thiught exactly the same, she is gonna have a big debt storline soon!!
could she not have paid for her boob job on the carD? :searchme:

Debs

02-11-2005, 12:54

could she not have paid for her boob job on the carD? :searchme:

yeah she could have hmmmmmmmm

maybe she didnt have it then??

and also why is it that at first she could act but now she is absolutely rubbish!!

Richie_lecturer

02-11-2005, 12:55

Richie I really don't understand how you can say it was awful. It wasn't great, but I still thought it was quite good. And howcome you're still watching it if you find it so 'awful' ?? :searchme:

The dialoggue was slurred. Some of the acting was a bit nauseous, i.e. the Millers, Grant's reaction to Sharon aborting his bay was also silly, even for a so-called 'mellowed' man. Too many cliches, dodgy writing as mentioned. I could go on...

The ending was pathetic - Johnny trotting around the square wailing and begging. I know his life is in tatters, but Johnny would never have behaved like that. He would have done strong and silent like Dennis.

Gormless Ruby continues to irritate me, as do Dawn and the Miller clan.

But I still really hate they way they are making both Johnny and Ian ridiculous figures just to suit the Mitchell-centric plotline. Not content with showering Ian in tomato ketchup, we now have dog-hater Ian bullying Wellard and then being scared when he growls so that the Square can laugh and point at him. It's all cheap shot IMO and completely ridiculous.

Nice to see Wellard back though. Haven't seen him for ages. :)

Another good thing was the departure of Tina. Good riddance to bad rubbish, that's one crap character gone, and she has now started to glut of characters leaving the Square over the next few months. :)

Richie_lecturer

02-11-2005, 12:56

and also why is it that at first she could act but now she is absolutely rubbish!!

I've always thought she was rubbish!

Debs

02-11-2005, 12:59

The ending was pathetic - Johnny trotting around the square wailing and begging. I know his life is in tatters, but Johnny would never have behaved like that. He would have done strong and silent like Dennis.

:)

but he is losing his daughter surely any man would behvae like that when his daughter hates them as much as ruby( who i do not think is gormless!) at that moment he had evry right to be pathetic.

Richie_lecturer

02-11-2005, 13:02

but he is losing his daughter surely any man would behvae like that when his daughter hates them as much as ruby( who i do not think is gormless!) at that moment he had evry right to be pathetic.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Ruby then. :)

RE Johnny: NO gangster like Johnny would ever show his emotions, they fear nothing and would even kill their own family if they wanted. They are nice to meet but you would never want to say one wrong word or your head is theirs. That's the real underworld, from the people I've interviewed in the EastEnd in the late 80s/90s.

crazygirl

02-11-2005, 13:04

how old is amy? and is she only in it for a short time?

chance

02-11-2005, 13:07

yeah she could have hmmmmmmmm

maybe she didnt have it then??

and also why is it that at first she could act but now she is absolutely rubbish!!

have you noticed that too? i thought she was great in france but now i cant staND HER SHES AWFUL!

Debs

02-11-2005, 13:07

We'll have to agree to disagree on Ruby then. :)

RE Johnny: NO gangster like Johnny would ever show his emotions, they fear nothing and would even kill their own family if they wanted. They are nice to meet but you would never want to say one wrong word or your head is theirs. That's the real underworld, from the people I've interviewed in the EastEnd in the late 80s/90s.

yep we shall re ruby! :)

true, but he has been quite soft lately anyway!

chance

02-11-2005, 13:07

how old is amy? and is she only in it for a short time?
she gets the sack in two weeks apparently

Debs

02-11-2005, 13:08

have you noticed that too? i thought she was great in france but now i cant staND HER SHES AWFUL!

yep i thought she was fab and couldnt wait to see her in the square but now she has just forgotten how to act

Chris_2k11

02-11-2005, 13:08

I hate that Amy lass.

chance

02-11-2005, 13:08

The dialoggue was slurred. Some of the acting was a bit nauseous, i.e. the Millers, Grant's reaction to Sharon aborting his bay was also silly, even for a so-called 'mellowed' man. Too many cliches, dodgy writing as mentioned. I could go on...

The ending was pathetic - Johnny trotting around the square wailing and begging. I know his life is in tatters, but Johnny would never have behaved like that. He would have done strong and silent like Dennis.

Gormless Ruby continues to irritate me, as do Dawn and the Miller clan.

But I still really hate they way they are making both Johnny and Ian ridiculous figures just to suit the Mitchell-centric plotline. Not content with showering Ian in tomato ketchup, we now have dog-hater Ian bullying Wellard and then being scared when he growls so that the Square can laugh and point at him. It's all cheap shot IMO and completely ridiculous.

Nice to see Wellard back though. Haven't seen him for ages. :)

Another good thing was the departure of Tina. Good riddance to bad rubbish, that's one crap character gone, and she has now started to glut of characters leaving the Square over the next few months. :)

i have to agree with you,ruby is gormless and i cant stand her either!

crazygirl

02-11-2005, 13:10

[QUOTE=chance]she gets the sack in two weeks apparently
good she is a tart

Debs

02-11-2005, 13:10

she gets the sack in two weeks apparently

:cheer: yay! she is rubbish another one who must have gone to the same drama school as dawn miller.

i loved it last night when she was all over jhonny and he just said summin like you aint that speical!

Debs

02-11-2005, 13:10

[QUOTE=chance]she gets the sack in two weeks apparently
good she is a tart

:rotfl: say what you mean.

chance

02-11-2005, 13:14

Debs

02-11-2005, 13:16

JustJodi

02-11-2005, 14:29

i find it weird how he humiliated her that day when he told her to take her clothes off,she did it,then he told her to put them back on yet she still went on to sleep with him etc.what an idiot,have some pride girl.

Johnny really must spend loads of money on VIGARA,, if hes trying to keep up with the stamina of a 25 yr old??? Something isn't right with this broad,, I also think shes got quite a bit of info that would HANG old Johnny out to dry !!!! She has probably over heard PLENTY and quite possibly SEEN alot,, And I totally agree with u all she is a total IDIOT to think she is any better than Tina or any of the other women that Johnny messed with,, they all should LISTEN to Pat ( she KNEW Johnny way back then ):eek:

crazygirl

02-11-2005, 14:35

dawn miller will bw after johnny next to pay off her credit card bill :rotfl:

Richie_lecturer

02-11-2005, 14:39

Oh god, perish the thought. :sick:

good she is a tart
I prefer crumble myself. :)

JustJodi

02-11-2005, 14:39

dawn miller will bw after johnny next to pay off her credit card bill :rotfl:

Maybe if this AMY GIRL walks,, Dawn can take the job,, and get old man Allen to pay her bills.....That would be good too,, hmmmm i feel a story in this one :hmm:

Debs

02-11-2005, 14:40

Maybe if this AMY GIRL walks,, Dawn can take the job,, and get old man Allen to pay her bills.....That would be good too,, hmmmm i feel a story in this one :hmm:

dawn and johnny :sick:

god i hope this never happens

JustJodi

02-11-2005, 14:44

dawn and johnny :sick:

god i hope this never happens

Personally I found it DISGUSTING watching him with Amy,, I mean this guy is really really hung up on himself, he is not all that !!! Chrissie almost ended up as a notch on his bed post too ( or DESK lol )

Debs

02-11-2005, 14:46

Personally I found it DISGUSTING watching him with Amy,, I mean this guy is really really hung up on himself, he is not all that !!! Chrissie almost ended up as a notch on his bed post too ( or DESK lol )

LOL the chrissie thing made me cringe. :sick:

no he not all that but somehow the woman love him,must be the whole bad boy thing( or in jhonnys case bad old ugly man !!)

Johnny Allen

02-11-2005, 14:47

whilst it's good to see Johnny not in control, I'm not sure whether it's a good idea for EE to show him losing control and becoming an embarrassment (like when he fell when he attempted to punch Grant) they did this with Andy and I felt this was highly unrealistic so having Johnny go on a downward spiral isn't going to work IMO. Whilst he has lost Tina and Ruby, I don't want to see him lose control like Andy did and become a joke.

Good episode though.

xXxJessxXx

02-11-2005, 15:34

That's the whole point! Dennis is supposed to be a messed-up, insecure individual. It would be ridiculous for him to have lived the sort of life that he's supposed to have had, and then become a well-balanced, sensible human being, who always acts perfectly and does the right things. I think the way he is behaving is very much what you would expect from a character with his background.

I agree. I dount think itll be right if we saw dennis acting ok with it all and ignoring the fact sharon is spending time with the mictchells choosing to beleive them over him. I think any thin he sees includding the sort of kiss will tip him over the edge. He's that person and he's that way because of the way he has been treated. He's not immature or unsociable or miserable ect its just simply the way he is and as a result of his childhoon and what happend to him. i think its very realistic.

However the reaction from Grant was far from realistic. I thought he'd be fuming! Though i read on the site that sharon admitted to abprting his baby three years ago. Did they have a relationship after he'd left and when sharon was away? I always thought it was way before then that she aborted his baby. Grant said he wasnt ready to be a dad back then but if it was three years ago then he already was a dad. Confused! doesn he still not know about mark jnr. wonder if peggy will find out and how she'll react

dddMac1

02-11-2005, 15:35

Johnny has lost everything apart from the house and the club because of his Actions.good episode

Siobhan

02-11-2005, 15:37

Johnny has lost everything apart from the house and the club because of his Actions.good episode

somehow I feel Johnny will get it all back.. not Tina but definitely Ruby and respect from people

lollymay

02-11-2005, 16:40

i hope he doent get ruby back because she will end up getting hurt

soapyclean

02-11-2005, 17:35

He wont get it back as he's leaving or if he does he'll lose it some how

parkerman

02-11-2005, 18:54

Please say Ruby is leaving as well. Please!

crazygirl

02-11-2005, 19:00

Please say Ruby is leaving as well. Please!no she said she was staying

Dutchgirl

02-11-2005, 21:11

Maybe if this AMY GIRL walks,, Dawn can take the job,, and get old man Allen to pay her bills.....That would be good too,, hmmmm i feel a story in this one :hmm:
It is so good that they would not dream about it at the scriptwritersthinktank!!:rotfl:
Maybe you could apply!!!:cheer:

Oh and they should defenitely listen to Pat. She's your real Delphi!!
Johnny wathces his cctv all the time but misses Ruby when she walks out of Scarletts, when she caught him with Amy.:searchme:

parkerman

03-11-2005, 09:15

no she said she was staying

:thumbsdow

Keating's babe

03-11-2005, 10:00

I like Ruby and I'm glad she's staying. I read an article where Billy Murray says he may have made a hasty decision in leaving so soon.

JustJodi

03-11-2005, 10:04

Florijo

03-11-2005, 10:20

Oh come on guys,, lets hope the newbies stay,, it gives them a bit more experince and a chance to shine...Besides the Slatter clan has dwindled down to STacy.. Big Mo and Charlie and the rumor has it that Lil MO is coming back,, so if Ruby stays, at least EE will have a bit of new blood..Ok granted we have Ian Jane and Ians kids ,Minty Garry,Dot,Jim,Patrick,Yolande,PAT,Pauline( and Betty)and cough cough Sonia and Martin.... so who is gonna run the Pub,, is Peggy gonna stay forever...Phil ?? :searchme: we already know Grant is gonna be in and out,, TerraCotta Sharon comes and goes every 4-6 mos,, so we do need some people who will actually stay and keep EE going,, ok we got the Miller family but are they gonna stay ???:searchme:
So lets give the new kids on the Walford block a chance to shine :D

I agree. Ruby has been annoying me lately but she might improve once she becomes more intergrated with the Slaters and when she stops moping about and shouting "I hate you" every episode. One of EastEnders biggest problems right now is character retention, too many characters have come and gone over the last few years, which means that the viewer never gets to really know them.

TerraCotta Sharon = :lol:

crazygirl

03-11-2005, 11:05

the slaters & the millers are starting to do my head in a bit!

Siobhan

03-11-2005, 11:06

the slaters & the millers are starting to do my head in a bit!

I don't mind the Slaters and i know Keith miller is a lazy git but Dawn annoys me so much they way she talks to him... I love the relationship between Kat and Stacey

crazygirl

03-11-2005, 11:09

I don't mind the Slaters and i know Keith miller is a lazy git but Dawn annoys me so much they way she talks to him... I love the relationship between Kat and Staceyyea i like the relationship between kat and stacey their like kat and zoe in a way
and has for that dawn she really does my head in!

Siobhan

03-11-2005, 11:19

yea i like the relationship between kat and stacey their like kat and zoe in a way

i think it is better than Kat and zoe... stacey really looks up to Kat and I never seen Zoe have that kind of relationship with her..

parkerman

03-11-2005, 18:46

the rumor has it that Lil MO is coming back,, so if Ruby stays, at least EE will have a bit of new blood..

I didn't know Little Mo had gone away. Where's she gone?

As for Ruby, let's hope, if she's staying, she undergoes one of those complete personality changes that affect some characters, eg Barry, Billy, Minty...

Chris_2k11

03-11-2005, 19:58

LMAO! The way they all looked at Chrissie at the end! :rotfl:

Tamzi

03-11-2005, 20:02

Nice episode. Grant off to crack some heads! Can't wait for Chrissie going down! They are all against her. Loved them all looking at her at the end. Glad Shannis made up with that kiss over the bar. Not a spectacular episode but it was still good
xxx

CrazyLea

03-11-2005, 20:02

lmao yeah.. me and my dad laughed at that! good episode though :D

hannah-mj

03-11-2005, 20:04

LMAO! The way they all looked at Chrissie at the end! :rotfl:that was well funny!
wow i love eastenders at the moment its just great :D!
i think that the scenes with stacey ruby and kat are great :D

Florijo

03-11-2005, 20:05

I'm glad Dennis brought up the fact that Stacey was being used and manipulated. It may have been Stacey's idea, but Kat has done little to discourage her since.

That look they gave Chrissie was funny. I also liked when Grant and Phil were talking to Ian and Grant said something to Ian about using aikido on him.

hannah-mj

03-11-2005, 20:08

I also liked when Grant and Phil were talking to Ian and Grant said something to Ian about using aikido on him.
i think he said 'ninja moves' lolz

Bryan

03-11-2005, 20:35

what a cliffhanger! finally an end to the watts vs mitchells feud! well apart from chrissie of course! :lol:

JustJodi

03-11-2005, 20:38

what a cliffhanger! finally an end to the watts vs mitchells feud! well apart from chrissie of course! :lol:

Holy smokes what an eppi !!!!!!!!!! I was impressed beyond impressed,, Dennis was at his finest tonight.. so was stacey,, loved it when she tried to shove ol Grant,, tsk tsk LOL but man it was super :rotfl:

JustJodi

03-11-2005, 20:39

i think he said 'ninja moves' lolz

Yea NINJA:ninja: moves, oh lordy that was so funny:lol:

JustJodi

03-11-2005, 20:41

LMAO! The way they all looked at Chrissie at the end! :rotfl:

" Chrissie is going down"..the look on her face was PRICELESS !!!

Tamzi

03-11-2005, 21:02

She looked a bit uh-oh what's going on? Jake is really annoying me, by always trying to step in but just getting in the way
xxx

Debs

03-11-2005, 21:08

thought tonights was really good loved the ending where they all looked at chrissie.

Flozza

03-11-2005, 21:16

PEGGY: i hate to break up all the loving, but we're still no closer to getting Sam out of prision.
DENNIS: really, i just broke stacey's alibi, CHRISSIE'S GOING DOWN hehehe go dennis xx

parkerman

03-11-2005, 21:18

Yes, all that was OK, but what about Patrick and the car lot? Too stupid for words!

BlackKat

03-11-2005, 21:29

Patrick needs better friends. He asks them for help and they make excuses and run away. :rolleyes:

And Dennis really needs to work on his tough guy talk. He's quite good with the tough everything else, but seriously "You want to hurt that family. You're gonna need help," and "Chrissie's going down." Whatever. :lol:

Liked Phil today. Don't usually, but I thought he was good. Hope he keeps it up once Grant's gone and doesn't just descend into a childish thug again.

parkerman

03-11-2005, 21:37

Patrick needs better friends. He asks them for help and they make excuses and run away. :rolleyes:

Patrick needs some idea of how to run a business.

littlemo

04-11-2005, 00:25

thought tonights was really good loved the ending where they all looked at chrissie.

Yes but they aren't supposed to be drawing attention to themselves, especially Sharon who isn't supposed to know about Chrissie being the murderer. I don't think Sharon's doing a very good job of hiding her feelings. Everytime she sees Chrissie, there's a cross word. She's supposed to be Den's daughter! She can lie better than that surely.

matt1378

04-11-2005, 02:11

really enjoyed eastenders recently, was glad tonight when dennis and grant shook hands, then dennis making up with sharon.

chrissie doesn`t have a chance now they have all teamed up lol

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 07:48

AWWW loved Billie when he told Grant and Phil to shut up, so glad he's coming into his own now and standing up to them. Hope they give him some more great story lines, loved Minty and Gary thinking Grant was going to beat up Dennis.
Loved Stacey tonight as well, loved their interaction and finding the courage to face things they were running away from.
This would've been a good time to see Johnny get more vicious, but doesnt look like he will right now.
Loved the ninja comment as well :D

Johnny Allen

04-11-2005, 08:47

Florijo

04-11-2005, 09:06

It was good to see more of Phil last night, I think he's been overshadowed by Grant, but he was excellent last night, but please EE can we stop having Dennis and Jake trying to be tough, it just doesn't work, there such wet lettuces.

Dennis is not in Grant's league of tough men but he does do mean and moody very well. I agree about Jake though.

BlackKat

04-11-2005, 09:08

I think Jake can be tough when the stakes are high enough for him -- like when Johnny was going to kill Danny. But when it comes to everyday stuff, he isn't.

Siobhan

04-11-2005, 09:13

AWWW loved Billie when he told Grant and Phil to shut up,

that whole scene was very very funny.. Phil and Grants poses and looks they gave him but fair play to him... it think that was the 1st time he stood up to them..

Glad Dennis cop on to himself and i loved his little chat with stacey..

brenda1971

04-11-2005, 09:23

I enjoyed last nites episode especially with stacey and Dennis hopefully she might tell the truth now.I found the thing with patricks business a bit silly.

crazygirl

04-11-2005, 12:33

im really enjoying watching the mitchell brothers i thnk their fab :cheer:

JustJodi

04-11-2005, 12:40

that whole scene was very very funny.. Phil and Grants poses and looks they gave him but fair play to him... it think that was the 1st time he stood up to them..

Glad Dennis cop on to himself and i loved his little chat with stacey..

Dennis was sort of like a big brother to her,, since I can't hear,, I presume he talked softly to her,, cos in his eyes,, he appeared to be kind ..
Was going to mention I was so glad Billy told those chuckle heads to shut up,,, it was about time.. Hey was billy at the vic when all this happened???
:searchme:

Keating's babe

04-11-2005, 13:10

I loved the ending with them altogether and looking at Chrissie. :D

I also found the scenes with Dennis and Stacey moving as they both had it rough - and need to face their problems instead of running away.

I thought it was great the way Grant went looking for Dennis and love the way that Dennis sorted it out with Grant and Sharon in the end. Much better than doing Johnny's dirty work for him.

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 13:42

Billy was the one who suggested going to the Vic and showing everyone they were still a family, and his face was a picture when Dennis told them that Stacey was going to change her statement.

Richie_lecturer

04-11-2005, 13:52

Better than Tuesday's episode, but still quite poor imo.

For the all the momentum that's being generated by Grant and Phil, there's still a lot of rot at the heart of all this. Johnny has turned into a panto thug overnight, the way they are messing about with his character. Where's the charm and menace he had? Why aren't Grant and Phil terrified of him as Phil once was with Dalton? Is Phil scared of him or not? Even the writers can't make up their mind. One minute he is and the next he's not and then he is again. Same with Peggy. How about a bit of consistency?

I think the sacrificing of Johnny's character is the final straw. He's actually one of the best thought-out characters they've had in a long, long time. From the moment he stepped into the square, totally annoyed with Andy for his lack of respect, his treatment of Nana at the hand of his hired thugs - to where they have bought him to now - trapping an old lady's hand in the door and threatening teenage girls (not just any old girl, but his own daughter - just to make the Mitchell boys look better - is totally ridiculous. His character has had a complete u-turn from the charming menace they introduced us to. The producers are obviously deconstructing Johnny, but they're not even being intelligent about it. It's all too obvious!

How come Kat and Ruby can do such good business that they can close the stall early - so early that it's still broad daylight outside in November. That's early all right....

And Patrick sets up a business (with sensible Yolande at his side) selling cars, but the day before he opens he realises he has no cars. This is the kind of plotting that the Hollyoaks teenagers would get involved with...and everything's OK cos he's now got two cars on the forecourt, one of which will presumably see most of its profit go to Ian!!! The scene in the garage was comic strip stuff. Garry and Minty suddenly get told they can keep a car, Patrick, bang on cue, comes in looking for a car and conveniently just happens to have 500 greenbacks in his hat. Utter nonsense.

And that awful, awful final shot with Dennis declaring Chrissie's going down - within earshot of Chrissie who of course doesn't hear!!!!! A cringeworthy ending, poorly written and poorly acted sitcom material.

Overall it is still poorly written rubbish most of the time. It is pure panto imo, with the Mitchell Boys playing the parts of the ugly sisters.

As a lifelong viewer, I think EE has become too obvious. It needs to go back to characterisation, and build on that. And stop sacrificing well-planned characters for the sake of a plot. Or if they do, at least try to be a little less obvious about it.

parkerman

04-11-2005, 14:49

You're absolutely right, Richie, especially about Johnny's character and that totally ridiculous Patrick and the car lot story. I just find that too idiotic for words.

There need to be big improvements.

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 14:50

As I said in another post, complain to the BBC about EE writers and plot developers as its them who are doing this not the poor actors who have to deliver it too us.
So please email that lot too their desk and see if it works or NOT as will probably be the result.
It was a lot better than they have done of late, but they do need continuity.

Siobhan

04-11-2005, 14:53

Lots of it... who are grant's other kids? how did phil get out of jail? why hasn't grant been arrested yet? etc etc

parkerman

04-11-2005, 14:53

I'm not complaining about the actors. I think both Billy Murray and Rudolph Walker are great actors. It's the stuff they're given!

angelblue

04-11-2005, 14:56

I really enjoyed last night espisode dennis siding with the mitchell i am glad he did that because now it should get intresting with johnny allen

Tamzi

04-11-2005, 21:29

Loved that episode. You can see the net closing in on Chrissie. Loved Grant and Phil tossing Ruby and Stacey over their shoulders and the bit where the police said 'we need something concrete' Looking forward to Monday's episode (such a long wait). Also loving Patrick, he's a very nice character. If I had been Jake I'd have just ditched Chrissie. He looks so pathetic just hanging round doing everything for her!
xxx

BlackKat

04-11-2005, 21:30

What should worry us more -- the fact that Zoe would have taken Annie with her to Spain, or the fact that Stacey didn't want her to.

Jake should have called Johnny's bluff -- like hell would he call the police on Chrissie and do the Mitchells a favour. Although I suppose Jake doesn't know the ins and outs of Johnny and the Mitchells. But still.

I thought Kat was a humongous bitch to Stacey for half the episode, but she kinda redeemed herself when the police got there.

Florijo

04-11-2005, 21:31

I am not liking Kat one little bit right now, the way she spoke to Stacey was bang out of order, calling her a bitch. Stacey put herself out for Princess Zoe. I thought Lacey was really good tonight, such a good actress for her age.

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 21:31

loved tonights epi who wrote it, they should write some more very dramatic and the one liners were great. the interaction was superb, wish they would do more like this :D
Billie was excellent again, and glad they have given Patrick something to do instead of going to the pub or bookies :D

BlackKat

04-11-2005, 21:34

Forgot to add that I thought Ruby was rubbish in that scene with the Mitchells and Stacey at the allotment. "Get off her." Wow that's nice. Now try and sound like you care.

Debs

04-11-2005, 21:34

tonights was good, loved chrissie leaving then walking back into vic head held high as if she had done nothing!!

shannisrules

04-11-2005, 21:39

liked that episode i laughed when grant and phil just picked up stacey and ruby and they were kicking and screaming, so what was johnnys plan excatly in that episode?

Debs

04-11-2005, 21:43

liked that episode i laughed when grant and phil just picked up stacey and ruby and they were kicking and screaming, so what was johnnys plan excatly in that episode?

is he gonna bribe the mitchells with it??

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 21:43

his plan was to blackmail chrissie and jake into helping him destroy the mitchells for his own stupidity

shannisrules

04-11-2005, 21:46

but how can jake and chrissie help destroy the mitchells

soapyclean

04-11-2005, 21:50

by doing whatever johnny wants them to do as he has the tape of her confessing to jake

.:SpIcYsPy:.

04-11-2005, 21:51

Forgot to add that I thought Ruby was rubbish in that scene with the Mitchells and Stacey at the allotment. "Get off her." Wow that's nice. Now try and sound like you care.
:rotfl: Yeah!! I remember that.. I was like :rolleyes:

Florijo

04-11-2005, 22:12

CrazyLea

04-11-2005, 22:14

i enjoyed tonights episode. thought stacey was great.. and loved the whole will chrissie go will she not :p lol.

angelblue

04-11-2005, 22:16

What has happened to Louisa's acting since she came back? She was good during the whole Tina/Johnny thing earlier in the year, but she has been poor since she came back from her break. Previously I wanted her to stay, but I'm in two minds now.

i agree its the flapping of the arms

Abi

04-11-2005, 22:58

can anyone give me a quick catch up from tonights episode? i missed it! thanks xxx

Johnny Allen

04-11-2005, 23:03

Well Abi, Patrick openend the car lot, Jake and Chrissie attempted to leave Walford but she was pegged pack by the police who went to talk to Stacey about her alibi. Stacey promised to tell the truth to the police but she ended up sticking to her original statement, meaning the police had nothing solid on chrissie.

Johnny arranged to meet Jake, Jake thought he had the money for the vic but he showed Jake that he had Chrissie on tape confessing Den's murder. Johnny later called in Billy about his old job and deliberately left the tape of Chrissie's confession around so Billy would see it, he went back to tell Grant and Phil who said they would pay Mr Allen a vist, that's where it ended. Hope that helps

Johnny Allen

04-11-2005, 23:05

Abi

04-11-2005, 23:07

Thanks JA x x

So Chrissy wasn't arrested or anything?

littlemo

05-11-2005, 01:25

liked that episode i laughed when grant and phil just picked up stacey and ruby and they were kicking and screaming.

Me too. Stacey can certainly look after herself, she managed to get past Dennis and Grant. Loved the punch she gave Grant (or was it Phil?). She's a right little Kat! lol. Even when it was 3 against one she didn't back down.

Why did they pick Stacey and Ruby up? The next thing we saw was Stacey back at the house, so what exactly happened between that time? are we supposed to guess?

Chrissie's got some front. The police have just been to visit, everybody is gunning for her, and she walks back into the Vic bold as brass. She certainly needs to be taken down a peg or two.

angelblue

05-11-2005, 01:32

Me too. Stacey can certainly look after herself, she managed to get past Dennis and Grant. Loved the punch she gave Grant (or was it Phil?). She's a right little Kat! lol. Even when it was 3 against one she didn't back down.

Why did they pick Stacey and Ruby up? The next thing we saw was Stacey back at the house, so what exactly happened between that time? are we supposed to guess?

Chrissie's got some front. The police have just been to visit, everybody is gunning for her, and she walks back into the Vic bold as brass. She certainly needs to be taken down a peg or two.

It is annoying me that everyone is trying to protect zoe out of it dennis saying to kat sorry for zoe getting dragged in i was like she started it was her mess that brought them here and sam is the most innocent out of the three but is banged

I thought stacey and everyone involved were brilliant these past two weeks

Johnny Allen

05-11-2005, 07:57

Thanks JA x x

So Chrissy wasn't arrested or anything?

No she wasn't the police just turned up at the vic to question her alibi, but as usual Chrissie was as cool as a cucumber.

sanddennislover

05-11-2005, 08:43

OMG IT WAS FABBY I LOVE ALL IT I WAs glued to it love Dennis face is so soft and full of emtion when Sharon ttold him something about Den and just grad her arm aand hold it for it it was soooooo sweet

Debs

06-11-2005, 15:44

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh :sick: :sick: :sick:

im watching the omnibus of EE as missed some of last weeks :sick:

johhny and amy kissing grosssss the slurppy noises :sick:

dont think ill ever recover

xXxJessxXx

06-11-2005, 15:52

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh :sick: :sick: :sick:

im watching the omnibus of EE as missed some of last weeks :sick:

johhny and amy kissing grosssss the slurppy noises :sick:

dont think ill ever recover

I know i was just watching that and its horrible" They Noises! :sick: :( :thumbsdow

Debs

06-11-2005, 16:00

I know i was just watching that and its horrible" They Noises! :sick: :( :thumbsdow

I STILL FEEL SICK :sick:

parkerman

06-11-2005, 17:22

So Patrick made £300 profit on his first day before taking off the amount spent on wine etc. Presumably he sold both cars. That's not much of a profit on two cars is it? How's he going to finance buying further stock if his profit margins are so low? Something not right with this story I feel...

Dutchgirl

06-11-2005, 17:34

Finally Kat showed some heart for Stacey. Loved her scene with Dennis though, its a pitty he turned against her for the Mitchells. Monday's gonna be fireworks I hope!:cheer:

Debs

06-11-2005, 17:37

yeah im looking forward to tomorroes EE in fact im loking forward to all of next weeks ee!!

angelblue

06-11-2005, 17:43

Finally Kat showed some heart for Stacey. Loved her scene with Dennis though, its a pitty he turned against her for the Mitchells. Monday's gonna be fireworks I hope!:cheer:

The only reason stacey is lying is because she wants to be an apart of family and to be accepted she doesnt like zoe as we all know she just wants to be loved

But hopefully after chrissie caught hopefully mo and charlie will show stacey that they love her and how much she is part of an family

Dennis didnt really turn his back on stacey everyone knows that his main priority is sharon and he doesnt want stacey to get into trouble and stacey knew what she was doing :lol:

soapyclean

06-11-2005, 18:30

Mo thinks Stacey is right by lying when in fact Kat was supportive by telling her she wouldnt love her any less if Stacey told the truth. I hope she changes her mind and they find a way out of this for her, cant wait to see what Grant and Phil do to get the tape back off Johnny.
He's using Billy and Jake against the Mitchells hoping to kill two birds wiht one stone.

_lil_hunni

06-11-2005, 19:40

Chrissie's got some front. The police have just been to visit, everybody is gunning for her, and she walks back into the Vic bold as brass.

Well thats Chrissie for ya! :p She is fabulous! Fridays episode was great! I loved Chrissie panicking trying to escape, but then she holds it together on the outside she's a cool customer.Brilliant character, sad to see her go,next week should be great though.

crazygirl

07-11-2005, 10:24

she gets slapped at the airport tomorrow im looking forward to that

soapyclean

07-11-2005, 13:27

I cant wait either, but want to see what the boys say to Johnny as only picked up a bit of the conversation on GMTV this morning.

Richie_lecturer

07-11-2005, 14:51

Tomorrow won't be the last you see of Chrissie though. She'll still be in it until Christmas, according to my reliable source.

Chris_2k11

07-11-2005, 17:55

Looking forward to tonight's episode!

Katy

07-11-2005, 17:59

I missed Fridays was it any good. I cant wait for tonights though.

parkerman

07-11-2005, 18:53

My one hope in all this is that both Chrissie and Sam will drop Zoe right in it and explain her role in the events of that night!

Debs

07-11-2005, 19:46

My one hope in all this is that both Chrissie and Sam will drop Zoe right in it and explain her role in the events of that night!

i think they should it not fair that just them to who the police know about

Florijo

07-11-2005, 20:31

Worst. Fight scene. Ever. :rolleyes:

:lol: @ Jake. Don't worry Jake, I still think you're a hardman. Not.

Loved Stacey tonight and her line to Phil about a quiz night at the Vic.

CrazyLea

07-11-2005, 20:34

good episode tonight :D

Tamzi

07-11-2005, 20:34

Pretty good episode. Jake seems to stand around a lot or look quite silly! I'd be worried if I was Ian!
xxx

Debs

07-11-2005, 20:34

johnny was pathetic tonight and rubbish!

ifhe was a real gangster wouldnt he have shot them no holding back!! and then he gave ians name staright away!

big girlie!!

xXxJessxXx

07-11-2005, 20:35

lol that fight was so funny! lol grant came bounding in! lol. couldnt believe jake! lol he was lead on the floor and didnt get up or nothing!lol. then he ran off! What a whimp! :rotfl: :lol:

Loved the ended them hurrying in the Vic and searchin for chrissie, it was just like the old days of them storming in and causing trouble.

Did Phill hit sharon when he hit the wardrobe because as he punched it her hand flew to her cheek. If it did it was obviously an accident but i was wonder wheth he did or whether she was just shocked. :eek: lol

Great eppisode though. biut boring in places cant wait for tomorrow!

.:SpIcYsPy:.

07-11-2005, 20:36

He it the cupboard lol x

.:SpIcYsPy:.

07-11-2005, 20:37

johnny was pathetic tonight and rubbish!

ifhe was a real gangster wouldnt he have shot them no holding back!! and then he gave ians name staright away!

big girlie!!
Because he was in to much love with Ruby who had asked him too!! He'd have done anything for his daughter.. I loved that bit..

Loved the ending for the last two weeks!! :bow:

.:SpIcYsPy:.

07-11-2005, 20:39

Worst. Fight scene. Ever. :rolleyes:

:lol: @ Jake. Don't worry Jake, I still think you're a hardman. Not.

Loved Stacey tonight and her line to Phil about a quiz night at the Vic.
Lmao it looks so fake!! Its like some sort of slow motion ACTING fight.. overrrrrrrrrrr hereeeeeeeeeeee sort of slow thing :rotfl: Oh god..

The way Jake was like running off the floor was JOKESS :lol: He looked like he was in a cartoon thing :rotfl: When they sort of stand there and run at the last minute :rotfl:

crazygirl

07-11-2005, 20:42

another boring episode

Debs

07-11-2005, 20:44

Because he was in to much love with Ruby who had asked him too!! He'd have done anything for his daughter.. I loved that bit..

Loved the ending for the last two weeks!! :bow:

what a load of rubbish! if he loved her that much he wouldnt have done all that stuff over the years!

he just knew that grant was stronger than him! it was complete rubbish tonight

Chris_2k11

07-11-2005, 20:47

Found most of tonight's episode quite boring, only really enjoyed the last 5 or 10 minutes.

Layne

07-11-2005, 20:48

I loved tonights eppi! I thought it was fab!

I have to admit i love the way Jake inda just got up and ran for his dear little life! lol, and i knew that chrissie wasn;t being caught tonight but i did honestly wonder if jake and chrissie woulf of got out in time!
I al os loved dennis and sharon at the beginning, dennis telling sharon to behave
and also chrissie's face when ian told her he was buying the Vic! :lol:

Angeltigger

07-11-2005, 20:52

i missed the middle

Florijo

07-11-2005, 20:54

Ruby seems to walk in whilst Johnny is doing something bad way too many times lately.

- Peggy is mouthing off in the Vic about Johnny, hey presto, Ruby walks in to hear it :rolleyes:
- Johnny is kissing Amy, and guess what, its Ruby walking in again :rolleyes:
- Johnny is about to hit Tina. It must be time for Ruby to walk in again. Oh, there she is :rolleyes:
- Johnny is pointing a gun at Grant and Phil, and what do you know, its Ruby to the rescue again :rolleyes:

Chris_2k11

07-11-2005, 20:55

Angeltigger

07-11-2005, 20:56

Layne

07-11-2005, 20:57

BlackKat

07-11-2005, 21:41

Oh, god Ruby is annoying. It's not so much the fact she stopped him -- it was the hug. And then he's just all "Oh, it's Ian, I don't care anymore." *hugs Ruby again*

I hope it's not back to boring wussy domestic Johnny again.

chance

07-11-2005, 21:59

excellent episode.really loved grunts sarcasm in tonights episode thought it was brilliant.think its great the way hes been winding phil up over the last few eppys about his bottle going and that and the way theyve made billy very humourous too.
Did anyone notice grants rapid head movements when he talks?his head constantly moves from side to side up and down as he talks.loved seeing the hobbit jake get punched tonight,long time coming,little weasel then ran off for the hills.
will be gutted when grant leaves this week,he has made me really enjoy watching ee again.
thought johnny was rather weak just saying that it was ian whos buying the vic.
the fight scene was a bit slow and naff but il forgive them for that cus its was great at the same time!

well done ee,just a shame your losing grant for a bit.

BlackKat

07-11-2005, 22:13

I'm actually enjoying Phil's return more than Grant's. I enjoyed Grant the first week but now he's just "eh." I don't think they really know what they want him to be like -- one minute he's almost too mellowed out, and then the next he's going off on one. And I think they're doing more to show Phil's motivation, and the fact that he doesn't think he's got much to show for his life, whereas Grant feels too cameo-y.

crazygirl

07-11-2005, 22:58

i like both phil n grant their both funny in their own sort of way

Johnny Allen

08-11-2005, 08:11

i like both phil n grant their both funny in their own sort of way

Yeah they are particulary Ross Kemp he's a natural at comedy, must have picked up a few tips of Ricky Gervais. Great episode, but the whole Ruby walking in on Johnny all the time is boring, she's boring. But The Mitchells hurrah, they were excellent.

parkerman

08-11-2005, 09:04

Siobhan

08-11-2005, 10:06

Really cannot wait to see what Phil is going to do with Ian... Can't believe Johnny just told him like that! but in a way it is clever... he knows he has nobody left and he has just played everyone against each other, Jake and Mitchells, Ian and Phil... and he just sits back and watches them destrory each other....

dddMac1

08-11-2005, 14:37

can't wait to see what Phil does to Ian

crazygirl

08-11-2005, 14:47

its going to be dead funny

Richie_lecturer

08-11-2005, 17:40

Absolutely. The ending was so contrived last night it was just laughable and took the whole edge of the episode, which until then was quite good. I couldn't take it seriously after that.
Indeed. A thought the ep was ok-ish (not bad for Richard Davidson considering he wrote most of the France nonsense), but then ruined by the last 5 minutes.

The end scene where Johnny lured Phil into the club was ludicrous. Did I miss something? Johnny spends a lot of effort setting all this up and yet fails to anticipate that Grant will inevitably burst in. Johnny would never have left himself vulnerable in that way. As for taking the gun out of the drawer - Johnny is a bright man. He is not going to shoot anyone in his own club, so threatening them with the gun was pointless. They are making P&G seem brighter than him which is totally uncredible. And Ruby turning up was just so ridiculously saccharine (and convenient). It really was stupid, and I'll say it again, an insult to the intelligence of the average viewer. A really weak ending imo.

So what was the point of him going to the bother of letting Billy reveal he had the tape? Just seems like an unnecessary plot convolution, if he was always going to hand it over if they said please nicely. Johnny would certainly have used it as some kind of bargaining power, it all seemed rather strange.

The only real good things last night were Ian and Jane. They work very well together. Shame Mr Beale is being trodden on by the beetroot yet again zzzzz.

Tamzi

08-11-2005, 20:00

Debs

08-11-2005, 20:02

fantastic epi tonight, brilliant

i thought she was gonna get caught soo many times! great punch from sharon, but how did she know what the last words chrissie said to den were???

and chrissies smile at end!

fab fab cant wait till thursday

alkalinetrio

08-11-2005, 20:03

i enjoy tonights episode :) woooooooooo shes finaly caught

Tamzi

08-11-2005, 20:04

how did she know what the last words chrissie said to den were???

Sam told her on the prison visit
xxx

Debs

08-11-2005, 20:05

Sam told her on the prison visit
xxx

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh i missed that one too!!

angelblue

08-11-2005, 20:08

What a great eppy loved the end go shazza with her right hook and chrissie face a classic loved it :)

Ian annoyed me though

xXxJessxXx

08-11-2005, 20:08

YAY! The B***H is going downnnnnn! :cheer:

What a great episiode. was it me or when they were in the airport it looked like they did it when they put the clips of the person on a backdrop but they aint actually there (if that makes sense) but it only looked that way with chrissie not no one else. suppose just not used to seeing ee people outside of the square.

Jake is so annoying me! Please tell me he is leaving for good! I couldnt beleive the evilness of him tonight. Not saying goodbye to his dear old Nana. I mean we all know why alfie was so determine to get him to sy goodbye in person, and he obviously doesnt know those reasons, but still he would prefere to try and help a murderer than see his own family. I so cant stand him any more! His character has even made me think Joel is a bad actor, (but before you all have a god at me, lol i know he's not its just ee writers ruining this character!

Cant say how happy i am that Chrissie is finally caught though! Loved Sharon giving her a whack! :D

xXxJessxXx

08-11-2005, 20:11

Great episode eastenders well done.
Jake: How mean he tries to take his Nana's money and then won't say goodbye to her. He put Chrissie before his Nana and she's dying! I know he doesn't know but he doesn't care at all about his family!
It's getting so good now. Poor Billy getting attacked by Jane and locked in.
Dennis and Grant being sweet to nana!
When Sharon popped up and the police were walking around Jake then grabbed him. The ending was really good!
Can't wait for Thursday's.

i agree. Jake was so horrible to his family. asking for money then just swanning off. he doesnt know she's dying but no need to treat them all like dirt. so what if he'll pay them back. Im sure they wont think to highly of missing out to pay for a murderer to escape.

grant and dennis were sweet to nana it was so cute. I didnt see that coming that they hadnt actually gone! I was so convinced by nana and alfie's lies! :eek: :D

Florijo

08-11-2005, 20:11

Great episode. I guess the Queen Victoria is the eight wonder of the world, yes, it really is that special. I never realised that Ian, like all other right minded Walfordians, dreamed about owning the Queen Vic. :)

I loved Ian's line about banning the Mitchells from the Vic once he owned it. :thumbsup: Jane rocked tonight, standing up to Grant and Phil. Bless Billy, he tries to be tough, but it never seems to work.

I'm not liking Jake. He is a plank, a wuss and not very nice to Nana, who after all lied to Dennis and Grant for him. Loser. I wish someone would pin the blame on Jake, then he could go to jail instead.

xCharliex

08-11-2005, 20:13

Fabulous ep tonight! Back to the old EE i rememberd and loved, im so gutted Chrissie has been busted i love her character im really going to miss seeing her on the square, even if shes back for a bit until the proper departure!

Go Jane! that was so funny!

Debs

08-11-2005, 20:13

i. I didnt see that coming that they hadnt actually gone! I was so convinced by nana and alfie's lies! :eek: :D

no i didnt either so when they appeared i was like :eek: fab they fooled the mitchell brothers

Behemoth

08-11-2005, 20:13

Loved it when Sharon smacked Chrissie!
Sharon: This may not be the first time this has happened to you Chrissie -[SLAP]- AND I HOPE IT'S NOT THE LAST!

BlackKat

08-11-2005, 20:15

They got Jake's line wrong on the tape, :lol: When Sharon watched it he said something like "You did what you did, you made your choice." And he actually said "You did what you did, and if it had been me I'd have done the same thing."

Ian was a bit selfish when he said that whatever Chrissie had done it wasn't any concern of his -- isn't he supposed to be Sharon's friend?

Ruby was kind of a bitch to Stacey -- "Well thanks for all the support and letting my stay with you, but I've got my daddy back now so I don't care. Oh, are you worried about something? Yeah, still don't care."

I didn't think it was that good an episode actually -- there were a few scenes that were good, and the suspense was good. But there was a lot of running about and confusion and it was just seemed to be an enourmous mess. Shouldn't they have had something out on the Square to see if Chrissie&Jake came outside. How convenient that Phil and Grant only came out the Vic once they'd gone into the cafe.

And everytime she is on screen Sharon just annoys me. I don't know why, she just does.

Flozza

08-11-2005, 20:18

woooooooooooo hoooooooooooo go sharon, you go girl. if that was me i'd be so mad. i loved it. every minute. lets just hope chrissie goes down for it

Tamzi

08-11-2005, 20:20

I loved that slap. How come I forgot that?!?!?! The look on Chrissie's face when Sharon hit her!
xxx

lil baby tash

08-11-2005, 20:22

Oi You Lot Jakey Does Not!! Know Nana Is Dieing Cause Alfie Has Not Told Him Yet!!!!

lil baby tash

08-11-2005, 20:23

The classic chrissie smile i think she smiled because she knows she has been caught!!and it has lifted the guilt somehow knowing she is going to pay for what she has done OH GOD IMM GOON MISS CHRISSIE!!

xXxJessxXx

08-11-2005, 20:25

The look on Chrissie's face when Sharon hit her!
xxx

Oh it was magical! :D :cheer:

Abi

08-11-2005, 20:34

:eek: I'm in shock :eek:

hannah-mj

08-11-2005, 20:35

wow wow wow oh my god isnt eastenders good? wow i love it and now my mates are getting addicted to it lol! Aw its great :D

Abbie

08-11-2005, 20:37

i loved tonights eppy ive been waiting so long for sharron to slap chriisie it was great but i cant belive Ian got the vic !!! i was so shocked

Tamzi

08-11-2005, 20:47

Oi You Lot Jakey Does Not!! Know Nana Is Dieing Cause Alfie Has Not Told Him Yet!!!!

We said he didn't know! I said Jake was mean because he didn't even say goodbye to his lovely nana and he tried to take her money! What nice person does that?
xxx

Abi

08-11-2005, 20:49

i never thought i'd say this, but i can't wait untill Thrusdays episode now!

hayley

08-11-2005, 20:54

OMG! that was sooooooooo good!!

CrazyLea

08-11-2005, 21:05

wow ithought tonights eppy was well good!!!

Flozza

08-11-2005, 21:41

i wanna see more :-(

parkerman

08-11-2005, 21:44

I know the ending was good drama and all that, but is it likely that the police would have allowed Sharon to speak to Chrissie first before they arrested her or even that they would have allowed her to come with them in the first place? Dramatic licence I suppose...

Bad Wolf

08-11-2005, 21:58

Jessie Wallace

08-11-2005, 22:06

Total bored, get rid of Grant and Phil, they are just laughable, loved Chrissie smile tho, classic!

crazygirl

08-11-2005, 22:38

fantastic episode

littlemo

08-11-2005, 23:09

Loved it when Sharon smacked Chrissie!
Sharon: This may not be the first time this has happened to you Chrissie -[SLAP]- AND I HOPE IT'S NOT THE LAST!

Yes that was really great! and that Chrissie told Sharon that she was her father's daughter. It took a long time, but we knew it was in there somewhere! Chrissie definetely deserved it.

I think Chrissie grinning like a cheshire cat was a bit over the top, you might be a bit relieved, but to know that you are going to end up spending the next 10 years or so in prison, isn't something to be happy about. She was going to go off and spend the rest of her life sunning herself on some beach with Jake beside her. How does that compare to where she's going?!

soapyclean

09-11-2005, 07:54

Johnny Allen

09-11-2005, 08:08

Chrissie was smiling because she was calculating how much she can dump Sam and Zoe in it with her, she's not going to go down without taking those two without a fight. Stacey is going to get into trouble now too, as Kat said she should've just told the truth, and everything would be alright.

Alot of people are going to get into trouble, Stacey, Jake, Zoe all of them, great episode, excellent smack from Sharon.

Siobhan

09-11-2005, 10:19

Yes that was really great! and that Chrissie told Sharon that she was her father's daughter. It took a long time, but we knew it was in there somewhere! Chrissie definetely deserved it.

I think Chrissie grinning like a cheshire cat was a bit over the top, you might be a bit relieved, but to know that you are going to end up spending the next 10 years or so in prison, isn't something to be happy about. She was going to go off and spend the rest of her life sunning herself on some beach with Jake beside her. How does that compare to where she's going?!

There was an interview with Tracy ann in Irish mag (TV Now) and she said that the smile is one of relief.. she couldn't keep living the lie and was just happy that she could stop...

Siobhan

09-11-2005, 10:20

thats what i was thinking- why would the police let her tag along????

tonights episode was rubbish- the three "ardest" - i use the term loosely running round like hearless chickens and getting out smarted by weasle beale

totally not plausable at all

Yeah but ian was hiding behind hard woman Jane.. she distracted (:rotfl:) billy and allowed ian to make the escape

angelblue

09-11-2005, 10:36

Chrissie was smiling because she was calculating how much she can dump Sam and Zoe in it with her, she's not going to go down without taking those two without a fight. Stacey is going to get into trouble now too, as Kat said she should've just told the truth, and everything would be alright.

I am so hoping chrissie is going to drop zoe in it pleases i hope stacey doesnt get in trouble zoe needs to be punished sam didnt even do much and has suffered why shouldnt the cause of the problem at least be shamed :thumbsup:

Siobhan

09-11-2005, 10:38

I am so hoping chrissie is going to drop zoe in it pleases i hope stacey doesnt get in trouble zoe needs to be punished sam didnt even do much and has suffered why shouldnt the cause of the problem at least be shamed :thumbsup:

Zoe does deserve to be punished... but they all did their bit. Chrissie killed him but Sam and Zoe both helped her hide the body and cover it all up

angelblue

09-11-2005, 10:42

yes you are right but zoe and den ultimately drove chrissie to destruction if chrissie doesnt say anything i hope sharon does or dennis but find highly unlikely

Siobhan

09-11-2005, 10:43

yes you are right but zoe and den ultimately drove chrissie to destruction if chrissie doesnt say anything i hope sharon does or dennis but find highly unlikely

Dennis or Sharon doesn't know Zoe's real part in all this... Sharon knows she was there but doesn't know that she was been blamed on killing him

Florijo

09-11-2005, 10:52

<rant>

I'm sick of everyone (read Kat) pussyfooting around protecting Princess Zoe of Walford. If Chrissie goes to prison, then so should Zoe and Sam. I'm sick of Kat pleading for everyone to keep Zoe out of it, why the hell should they? Kat was quite happy to sit by and watch Sam go to prison, yet she has the nerve to expect Peggy to keep Zoe out of it. :mad: :mad: :angry: :angry: And when Kat said about Zoe being innocent!!! Well, that is a joke! She lied about being pregnant, slept with Den, then helped bury his body and cover up the crime. She started this whole mess, not Sam, not Chrissie, that dimwit Zoe Slater did.

Also Jake is a plank and he needs a good smack. Even though I loathe Alfie, I would be prepared to like him if he smacked that half wit Jake in the face. :mad:

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