Todd Grimshaw

[tammyy2j]

Maybe I'm giving Todd too much credit here (and my memory is admittedly a little hazy), but I remember I had the feeling Todd only went along with it when Phelan threatened Eileen. He was supposed to get a cut of the proceeds though for sure.

About Michael, the post mortem will show he died of a heart attack and that no one laid a finger on him. Phelan convincingly denied all knowledge of his presence at the building site that night. So although Todd may have his suspicions that Phelan knows more than he's telling, there's absolutely no way anyone can really know what went down unless Phelan admits to it.

I could be wrong but did Todd impulsively agree after a fight with Billy to better himself

I agree Michael died of a heart attack brought on by his snooping in the site office over knowing Phelan was doing wrong

Michael was very loud about his suspicions as was Anna too so I am hoping others besides Andy and Gary too will start to question Michael's death at the site and directly then Phelan

Did Billy also question Todd's change on Phelan?

[Dazzle]

I could be wrong but did Todd impulsively agree after a fight with Billy to better himself

Yes, I remember that now you mention it. As far as I recall, Todd did as you say after Billy dumped him but decided to pull out after he'd cooled down - and that's when Phelan told him that Eileen was in danger. But I must admit I'm slightly confused about the timeline...

Did Billy also question Todd's change on Phelan?

I seem to remember he did and that Todd fobbed him off.

[tammyy2j]

Consistency is not one of Corrie's strong points!

So very true

[tammyy2j]

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[louisa]

He does have a conscious though. Remember in the café when he was making the deal with Rita, he said 'there's no rush' meaning he was putting her off. Deep down he doesn't want these lies and fobbing neighbours/friends off.

[haggy]

But money was also part of Todd's deal with the devil it was not just about protecting his family and Sarah and now Michael is dead, I just don't think Billy will forgive him

Todd did actually try to back out of the deal twice. First time Phelan told him that the only way Jason's money would be protected is if the scam went ahead and then secondly when he threatened to go to the police Pat then told him about Vinny's plan to kill him and that by crossing Vinny he was putting himself and his mum in danger. At that point Todd really didn't have much of a choice anymore.
Todd getting himself involved in the scam was him acting out over Billy dumping him (which is typical Todd tbh) but even after he agreed to go in with it you could see that it wasn't really what he wanted. Of course Todd's involvement unknowingly saved his life.
I'm not sure if Billy could forgive Todd but I think him actually being threatened might at least make the situation less cut and dry.

[parkerman]

Todd did actually try to back out of the deal twice. First time Phelan told him that the only way Jason's money would be protected is if the scam went ahead and then secondly when he threatened to go to the police Pat then told him about Vinny's plan to kill him and that by crossing Vinny he was putting himself and his mum in danger. At that point Todd really didn't have much of a choice anymore.
Todd getting himself involved in the scam was him acting out over Billy dumping him (which is typical Todd tbh) but even after he agreed to go in with it you could see that it wasn't really what he wanted. Of course Todd's involvement unknowingly saved his life.
I'm not sure if Billy could forgive Todd but I think him actually being threatened might at least make the situation less cut and dry.

I suppose it might all depend on what Todd does now. There is no longer the threat of Vinny hanging over them. It all comes down now to whether Todd is desperate enough for his part in all this not to come out or whether he really wants to protect his mother by grassing on Phelan.

[swmc66]

He needs to protect his mother as she may end up marrying the man

[Dazzle]

I suppose it might all depend on what Todd does now. There is no longer the threat of Vinny hanging over them. It all comes down now to whether Todd is desperate enough for his part in all this not to come out or whether he really wants to protect his mother by grassing on Phelan.

If I was Todd I wouldn't even contemplate going to the police unless I had hard evidence against Phelan. If it comes down to Phelan's word against his, we (and Todd) know that Phelan is devious enough to convincingly twist it so that he's innocent and it was Todd who was working with Vinnie.

He needs to protect his mother as she may end up marrying the man

He also needs to consider Eileen's safety if he grasses but Phelan worms his way out of it. The latter would delight in getting his revenge on Todd by hurting his mum in some way.

[parkerman]

If I was Todd I wouldn't even contemplate going to the police unless I had hard evidence against Phelan. If it comes down to Phelan's word against his, we (and Todd) know that Phelan is devious enough to convincingly twist it so that he's innocent and it was Todd who was working with Vinnie.

I didn't mean grassing as in grassing to the police, I meant grassing as in grassing to Eileen.

I know I should take my own advice here and not look too deeply into this - it is Corrie after all - but shouldn't it seem a bit strange to everyone that no building or preparation work of any sort had taken place? I presume there were no contracts in place for architects, builders, plumbers, electricians, etc. etc. Wouldn't it be just a tiny bit suspicious that Phelan would be unaware that absolutely nothing had been done?