Ross Barton (Michael Parr)

[lizann]

emma can be cray cray she did try kill ross as a baby

[JessicaMad]

emma can be cray cray she did try kill ross as a baby

That was PND.

[maidmarian]

That was PND.

I have great sympathy for real people
with PND .It can cause people to
behave completely out of character.

This is a soap character and the events
took place a long time before the character
arrived on screen. A lot of the past history
of this family is very questionable.

To attach PND to a character who behaves
as she has done since arrival - doesn't
(imo) help understanding and is more
likely to foster prejudice!! And I feel
is quite insulting to those who had had
the illness.

[JessicaMad]

I have great sympathy for real people
with PND .It can cause people to
behave completely out of character.

This is a soap character and the events
took place a long time before the character
arrived on screen. A lot of the past history
of this family is very questionable.

To attach PND to a character who behaves
as she has done since arrival - doesn't
(imo) help understanding and is more
likely to foster prejudice!! And I feel
is quite insulting to those who had had
the illness.

I am by no means defending Emma, I believe that what caused her to attack Ross was PND, I never said the atrocities she's performed in recent times were connected to the illness, they can't be. Emma has done some evil things that can't be "blamed" on an illness, and I never claimed that they could. Emma has some serious psychological problems, the fact that she tricked a child into believing she had cancer is completely inexcusable.

I believe she had PND in the past, but in present day there is something very off about her that can't be connected to it.

[Telly Watcher]

Just recently read on twitter (a very reliable source for info don't you know!) some theories where Emma does something to Moses and Debbie gets sent to prison! (her exit).
Possible I can't see how Debbie and Ross relationship will survive that though if that's true.

Actually, this theory may be more plausible than first thought. There's a Soaplife article (but that magazine needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, it's known to exaggerate) and at the end it says "What if Emma somehow hurts Moses? What Debbie would do then may get her put in a prison cell next to mum Charity."

The Soaplife article is very iffy when it ends with self-made unanswered questions, woulds, coulds, etc. I really don't think anything should be taken as actual spoilers but just as teasing questions and red herring/misleading ideas.

We know that Ross is happy for Emma to have access to Moses (from their secret childcare deal made on Friday 11th December). Pete, then Debbie find out though by Wednesday 16th when Debbie rows with Ross over him lying to her about where Moses has really been instead of being with him.

I think Emma helps save Moses in Debbie's bathroom on Thursday 17th. I think that Charity may have earlier agreed that day to let Emma have more access to Moses.

The spoilers for Friday 18th say:
- Debbie and Emma's feud could finally be over.
- Debbie worries that she's lost Ross.

So, after Thursday 17th, I think Debbie is worried that Ross blames her for not looking after Moses properly and that she feels that Sarah and Jack have given Ross such a bad time by tricking/teasing him that he may have given up on them. But Ross then anyway takes part in a robbery for money for Debbie and the kids during the following week, 21st-25th December to try to show that he can provide and care for them. So Debbie hasn't lost Ross by at least Christmas Day (and maybe not until after New Year's Day too, until she finds out about the robbery and its consequences, whatever they are!).

What the end of the Soaplife article says is this (with my underlining for the iffy Soaplife words, and with my own comments shown as []):
>
If Debbie finds out Ross is lying to her about Moses, it could cause her to leave him and the village. [But the lying doesn't cause ... because we know Debbie does find out about Ross lying on Wed 16th Dec and she stays in Emmerdale until at least Christmas Day.]

Or... What if Emma somehow hurts Moses? What Debbie would do then could get her in a prison cell next to mum Charity - who is, of course, also Moses' mum... [But it looks as if Emma saves Moses in the bathroom (17th Dec) and we know from today's Daily Mirror spoiler (2nd Dec) that Charity is out of jail before Christmas Day, so Soaplife doesn't make sense on this as far as timing goes.]

Either way, Debbie's going next month - and we don't think she'll be going quietly, or with Ross.
>
Soaplife, 5 - 18 Dec 2015

More spoilers are due around midnight tonight. I'll post any interesting ones later.

Last thought, maybe Debbie leaves Emmerdale with her two kids early in the new year because she finds Ross two-timing her with Charity...? (in her own bed? )

[maidmarian]

I am by no means defending Emma, I believe that what caused her to attack Ross was PND, I never said the atrocities she's performed in recent times were connected to the illness, they can't be. Emma has done some evil things that can't be "blamed" on an illness, and I never claimed that they could. Emma has some serious psychological problems, the fact that she tricked a child into believing she had cancer is completely inexcusable.

I believe she had PND in the past, but in present day there is something very off about her that can't be connected to it.

thanks v much for your reply.

It is of course the producers/SWs (not yourself)
who attached PND to the character and then
made her appear a person capable of extreme
violence etc more than 2 decades later.

Soaps are in a position of providing informarion/
awareness but unfortunately they too often
take the "cheap drama" route where any form
of accuracy is lost.

All the soaps do it -to some extent- particularly
in mental health stories and its a great opportunity
lost or misused.

My apologies for any offence I have caused you.

[Telly Watcher]

Soaps are in a position of providing informarion/
awareness but unfortunately they too often
take the "cheap drama" route where any form
of accuracy is lost.

All the soaps do it -to some extent- particularly
in mental health stories and its a great opportunity
lost or misused.

I'd just like to pick up on this as Emmerdale definitely has had a bias lately for drama versus accuracy.

Kerry's recent sudden loss of vision in one eye was used to start a storyline for diabetic retinopathy. But sudden vision loss is very rare for this illness. The usual symptoms are progressive loss of vision with increased blurring and appearance of red blood specks in the eyesight. Emmerdale storyliners apparently did consult medical people over the time issue but went for the dramatic but unusual sudden vision loss story anyway.

Also, Diane's stomach cancer was revealed in a more believeable way following knife wound surgery but the doctor's scene wasn't well done for me as he just quickly said "Well most people who present with this type of cancer, they're lucky to survive another year. But we've caught yours early, it's only at Stage 2 and so is very treatable". I mainly remembered the shock part of "lucky to survive another year" until I replayed the scene back later to hear it all again. I suppose having a script saying only something like "We've caught yours early, it's only at Stage 2 and so is very treatable" doesn't have the same "wow" factor as the screened script with its dramatic first line (which didn't apply to Diane anyway, of course). When thrills are needed...just do it! (and they did!)

As Diane doesn't have Stage 4 but only Stage 2, she should have a better than 50-50 chance (56% survival rate) of living for at least 5 years.

Similarly, Gordon's upcoming storyline on adenocarcinoma has a survival rate of 85% to 98% for living at least 5 years, so he should have very good chances too.

I think that soaps should be more accurate than they seem to be with storylines which are supposed to be informing TV viewers about medical and other personal issues. Bias towards extremes for more drama just makes the problems appear worse and less curable than they really are, particularly for people who already have the problems which the soaps are showing storylines about. In the case of Emmerdale right now, cancer is being shown in a very negative light for both Diane and Gordon and will worry people more than help.

Diane is going to tell Doug on Friday 18th December that she is thinking about selling her share in the pub and is "interested in looking at properties outside of the village". So away from dangerous but green EastEmmerdale but close enough to call in now and then? Gordon wants to "make things right" with Aaron and Chas, so he seems to have a death-wish too. Obviously being diagnosed with a major illness would make someone re-evaluate their life and think of making the most of what time they have left, but it does make these illnesses seem terminal in the short-term when they aren't necessarily and it isn't always necessary to make drastic changes to someone's life when they get diagnosed. There are alternative choices but these won't get shown, it seems, just terminal ones. Looks for now as if Diane, Gordon, Ashley and Sandy may not be around by end of 2016?

Maybe Diane sells her half of the pub to Aaron? If so, where does Aaron get the money from?

1) Robert offers to buy Diane's half of the pub for Aaron until Aaron can pay Robert back, but Aaron refuses this deal as he and Robert aren't best of friends for now?
2) Aaron goes on the robbery with Ross during 21-25 December to get cash to buy half the pub. But something seems to go very wrong. Maybe there's not enough cash or none obtained but just new trouble (with police? with the owner of the business they go to rob)?
3) Gordon offers to give Aaron enough money to buy half the pub, seeing that Gordon's storyline might be a rare bit of bad luck as far as surviving his generally curable cancer goes?

Time will tell!

[rossfan]

From digitalspy for 18 December:

Moses is in hospital and Ross has been by his bedside all night.

So it's definitely what we were thinking! This is when Ross finally steps up and cares for his son.

[rossfan]

From digitalspy for 18 December:

Moses is in hospital and Ross has been by his bedside all night.

So it's definitely what we were thinking! This is when Ross finally steps up and cares for his son.

[maidmarian]

From digitalspy for 18 December:

Moses is in hospital and Ross has been by his bedside all night.

So it's definitely what we were thinking! This is when Ross finally steps up and cares for his son.

I do hope you are correct Rossfan!

Just hope that one of the effects of
Emmas interference and visit to
Charity is not that Charity says Ross is
not Moses's father!!
It may or may not be true and could
be proved-but Charity has had plenty
of time to plot!