Ross Barton (Michael Parr)

[Telly Watcher]

I agree with a lot of your comments.

Debbie hasnt really changed over the years. Neither Pete or Ross are fit to care for children . Theyve had a terrible upbringing and it shows.Some people overcome that-others dont.

Ross is ok.as a bad boy - no worse than others in ED or other soaps- just a lot of actions close together. But hes fickle and irresponsible and not really interested- has softer moments but children need more consistency than that.

Pete is seriously unstable and to me very creepy/oily.. I.think in real life -he would ring alarm bells!! The most sensible thing Debbie has done is bin him.Sometimes people do the right thing for the wrong reason!

I do find it quite concerning than in all soaps - when they want to rehabilitate a character- they make them \\"nice\\" to children for a short spell. It sets a pattern of what's acceptable and it isnt really.Children deserve better than.that.!

I found the Thursday October 29th episode to be very telling when Sarah (10yo) reacted badly to finding out that Ross had moved in. I watched her act up and thought ("She doesn't like him. I don't either since he died!"). Even Jack (3yo) tried a Harry Potter wand spell to magic Ross away. It didn't work (worse luck!) but I'd award five nursery wizard's school stars to Jack trying hard at this at 3yo before Hogwarts enrolment is due.


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Sarah tells Jack it's time to go to somewhere safe upstairs and far away from He who must not be named...


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Junior wizard Jack needs more practice to make Ross disappear and make everyone very happy...

Children of Sarah and Jack's ages can be very "knowing" about people. They naturally stare at people, I think it's some sort of young animal instinct most or all children have up to a certain age. After then they learn from adults that it's rude and bad manners to stare at people. This is why children's reactions to other people can be so much better to judge these people by (particularly when they are strangers) than an adult's perception of them. Basically, what I think Sarah and Jack were being largely non-verbal about was that they found Ross uncomfortable to be around inside their family living space.

I suspect that this scene on October 29th with Sarah and Jack may be the subtle start of Debbie's exit storyline?

Sarah's reaction to Ross suddenly in her home last week was very unusual for Sarah about one of Debbie's boyfriends. Previous history for Sarah shows that she loved Cameron when Debbie met him in Jersey around 2010. Cameron later married Debbie, of course, but by then Debbie had already shown her bad relationship decision ability with previous boyfriends, not least of whom was ex-Andy. Debbie left Emmerdale in her last scene on Friday 12th March 2010, taking Sarah with her, and did not return to Emmerdale until November 2010, 8 months later. This, of course, tied in with the actor's maternity leave for Buster, Charley Webb's baby (born on 04/04/10). If this timing follows through for Charley Webb's latest baby, due round December 2015, then even at a birthdate of 31/12/15, we should have expected Charley Webb to have completed Emmerdale filming 2 weeks ago already, so that Debbie's last TV scenes should be aired at latest by 26th November 2015? Sarah also loves Pete, who Debbie married in August 2015. So for Sarah to not want new boyfriend Ross in the family house during October 2015 is extremely unusual for her and indicates that Ross will never marry Debbie?


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Debbie wonders if it was such a good idea...
to ask Ross to move in the day before...

For whatever reason(s) that Debbie leaves Emmerdale (and let's be honest, I guess that it's going to be for somewhere between 6-12 months maternity leave, assuming Debbie returns to Emmerdale), I suspect that Andy or Cain or both will blame scally Ross for making Debbie leave the village and to want him out of it by one violent or non-violent way or another?

I really think that Ross is in a terrible TV viewer position right now. His recent Emmerdale storylines have been just awful, I reckon. The UK public and many former fans (me too!) have switched to hating him and there really doesn't seem to be any way back for now. Ross has simply become a horrible single wanting chavvy scal character who is just too toxic for Emmerdale and its residents, at least up to Tuesday October 24th 2015, even beyond.

After last Tuesday's viaduct scene with Pete ended, Ross has since toned things down a lot for now. He has what he thought he wanted by getting Debbie back, and even moved in with her, but I don't think this is a stable situation at all. I wrote here in another thread earlier (28/10/15) about how Ross is "like a child who wants to want". Well he may now find that Debbie and her own kids are not what he wants or what will make him happy but that he will deny it to himself in delusion?

On Tuesday (3/11/15) in the pub, Nikhil blames Debbie for Gennie's death. Ross overhears and punches Nikhil on impulse. Duncan Lindsay in the Metro (30/10/15) wrote "Debbie is less than impressed with his outburst." I think that this scene will add to Debbie's growing doubts that Ross is going to be suitable for her and her kids. A gap between Debbie and Ross may now start to grow and set up Ross to becoming more possessive and potentially threatening towards Debbie and her kids in a while, in a cycle of affection and rejection?

Mike Parr gave a recent interview about his recent villainy with Pete and Robert, etc, and said about viewers' reactions "I am expecting there to be lots of backlash, which I really love. I like to pull them in doing the affectionate scenes, then it's nice to push them away again. There was a point where I thought, 'It doesn't matter what I do at the minute, everybody seems to just be cheering for Ross'. Hopefully this will push them away and remind people I am meant to be a villain, so maybe I was doing my job wrong before!"

I totally disagree with these actor comments. He was doing the job totally right for myself and many others before Pete fought with him outside Hotton Hospital, as the very unhappy reactions of his fans proved when Ross "died" then in August 2015. The storylines since then have not done Ross any favours and it really looks to me as if Ross has now already jumped off a cliff but doesn't realise this or that the only way is down. We know from spoilers and film set leaks that Ross is around for some time yet, but there is going to be a new Series Producer from January 2016 in Iain MacLeod. Will he pick up on the latest very negative feelings of viewers towards the Ross character and change everything for Ross's future or just dump him as a complete soap show liability in due course? Time will tell on this. On a more positive note, it looks for now like we're all really going to be getting a kipper for tea in a while or so... So long and farewell, Ross, hopefully real soon. (And good riddance!).

Sources:

Sarah Sugden biography at:
http://emmerdale.wikia.com/wiki/Sarah_Sugden_Jr.

Jack Sugden biography at:
http://emmerdale.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Sugden_Jr.

Debbie Dingle biography at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Dingle

Emmerdale 29th October 2015 Full Episode HD video at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...-episode-hd_tv

How "Ross is like a child who wants to want", soapboards post on 28/10/15 at:
http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/s...976#post833976

Metro Emmerdale spoilers for 2-6/11/15 (published 30/10/15) at:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/30/25-soa...agedy-5467389/

Mike Parr interview for Digital Spy (published 22/10/15) at:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...-numbered.html

[Dalesfan]

I don't really agree with your post. And it wouldn't be good riddance for me.

Yes Ross Isn't being nice right now and doesn't think before lashing out. The storylines aren't doing him any favours just now but that doesn't mean to say it won't change in a few weeks. And even still I don't think the backlash as is big as what is being made out either. Either way people are talking a lot about Ross and that is the point. We still get little moments with Ross and that was proved last week. He did apologise to Pete. I don't think he is rubbing it in his face about Debbie this time. I genuinely believe he didn't think they were going to be back together. He was nice with his scenes with April. He tried to make things easier for Pete with the Police. He is trying to sort his life out now and put things behind him. Like what has been said in other posts. Other characters have done bad stuff and are still on the show. Bad spells shouldn't mean the axe just because you don't like them. The producer may decide he doesn't like him and that would be his choice. But Mike has won awards and gets nominated for awards and recent big events has seen his character trending. Summer fate and Who shot Robert. And not to mention the petition. He has a big following. I don't think it would be fair for a producer to come in and axe him just because of a few negative comments. I think the positives outway the negatives on this issue. Characters like Jai and Emma get way more negative comments

[rossfan]

I don't really agree with your post. And it wouldn't be good riddance for me.

Yes Ross Isn't being nice right now and doesn't think before lashing out. The storylines aren't doing him any favours just now but that doesn't mean to say it won't change in a few weeks. And even still I don't think the backlash as is big as what is being made out either. Either way people are talking a lot about Ross and that is the point. We still get little moments with Ross and that was proved last week. He did apologise to Pete. I don't think he is rubbing it in his face about Debbie this time. I genuinely believe he didn't think they were going to be back together. He was nice with his scenes with April. He tried to make things easier for Pete with the Police. He is trying to sort his life out now and put things behind him. Like what has been said in other posts. Other characters have done bad stuff and are still on the show. Bad spells shouldn't mean the axe just because you don't like them. The producer may decide he doesn't like him and that would be his choice. But Mike has won awards and gets nominated for awards and recent big events has seen his character trending. Summer fate and Who shot Robert. And not to mention the petition. He has a big following. I don't think it would be fair for a producer to come in and axe him just because of a few negative comments. I think the positives outway the negatives on this issue. Characters like Jai and Emma get way more negative comments

I agree. As i posted earlier in the thread. Michael and Kate Oakes knew that there was going to be a reaction from Ross' recent storylines.


In an a interview Michael says this:


He laughed: "I am going to have all the 'Robron' fans going, 'I can't believe you have done this!' Then I will have all the Ross fans that go, 'Yeah, it's Ross on screen!'

"I am expecting there to be lots of backlash, which I really love. I like to pull them in doing the affectionate scenes, then it's nice to push them away again.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...pscSfofHAWt4Dk

[rossfan]

I don't really agree with your post. And it wouldn't be good riddance for me.

Yes Ross Isn't being nice right now and doesn't think before lashing out. The storylines aren't doing him any favours just now but that doesn't mean to say it won't change in a few weeks. And even still I don't think the backlash as is big as what is being made out either. Either way people are talking a lot about Ross and that is the point. We still get little moments with Ross and that was proved last week. He did apologise to Pete. I don't think he is rubbing it in his face about Debbie this time. I genuinely believe he didn't think they were going to be back together. He was nice with his scenes with April. He tried to make things easier for Pete with the Police. He is trying to sort his life out now and put things behind him. Like what has been said in other posts. Other characters have done bad stuff and are still on the show. Bad spells shouldn't mean the axe just because you don't like them. The producer may decide he doesn't like him and that would be his choice. But Mike has won awards and gets nominated for awards and recent big events has seen his character trending. Summer fate and Who shot Robert. And not to mention the petition. He has a big following. I don't think it would be fair for a producer to come in and axe him just because of a few negative comments. I think the positives outway the negatives on this issue. Characters like Jai and Emma get way more negative comments

I agree. As i posted earlier in the thread. Michael and Kate Oakes knew that there was going to be a reaction from Ross' recent storylines.


In an a interview Michael says this:


He laughed: "I am going to have all the 'Robron' fans going, 'I can't believe you have done this!' Then I will have all the Ross fans that go, 'Yeah, it's Ross on screen!'

"I am expecting there to be lots of backlash, which I really love. I like to pull them in doing the affectionate scenes, then it's nice to push them away again.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...pscSfofHAWt4Dk

[Dalesfan]

sorry dup!

[Dalesfan]

I agree. As i posted earlier in the thread. Michael and Kate Oakes knew that there was going to be a reaction from Ross' recent storylines.


In an a interview Michael says this:


He laughed: \\"I am going to have all the 'Robron' fans going, 'I can't believe you have done this!' Then I will have all the Ross fans that go, 'Yeah, it's Ross on screen!'

\\"I am expecting there to be lots of backlash, which I really love. I like to pull them in doing the affectionate scenes, then it's nice to push them away again.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...pscSfofHAWt4Dk

And they are right because it seems it is a lot of Robron fans that are doing the complaining. From what I have seen anyway. Not talking about on here but elsewhere.

Rightly so maybe but it's not like Aaron and Robert are little angels

[maidmarian]

And they are right because it seems it is a lot of Robron fans that are doing the complaining. From what I have seen anyway. Not talking about on here but elsewhere.

Rightly so maybe but it's not like Aaron and Robert are little angels

That is correct -and theres quite a few others
on ED who have been as bad/worse over the
years!!

[binky321]

I don't think anyone believes Robron are angel's or completely innocent to be fair perhaps some of us are feeling protective & Aaron being in prison is just about more upsetting than what happened to Robert! I feel some of the frustration is that Ross has hijacked their story line for the moment plus frustration is there due to the lack of screen time for Robron in recent months and Ross is taking the brunt of that due to being involved is so many of the big plots this year & Robron fans (which I am one) really wanted this shooting to be about Robert, - his comeuppance. It's softened the blow a bit that Andy was involved too that brings it back to their feud, I just feel there was no need for it to be all about Ross this time.

I feel Ross does work well as a villain type character, I'd rather he was an out and out villain then someone who hides is true self under a mask of false victim hood. I don't necessarily want him to leave, he just doesn't work as a domesticated type in homely bliss with Debbie with whom it just doesn't seem he has screen chemistry with, I could see him getting bored with her and felt he manly wanted her manly due to Pete having her, like wanting to break his brothers favourite toy or something due to petty jealously & insecurity. The reality could be difficult for him, being responsible doing school runs, baby sitting etc. If Ross were to lose interest in her Debbie & her kids could be in danger from him with his antics and given Debbie's history she should have learned to have better judgement by now.

[Dalesfan]

It's more the double standards I have seen. That when Aaron gets out then him, Robert and Cain should all join forces to get rid off Ross etc. Those fans are happy for that to happen but when it's against Robron then all hell breaks lose. And again they are happy for Robert to go unpunished for what he has done but Ross must be punished for what he done.

I get that they are annoyed with the storyline. Trust me I am just as annoyed that Ross was made the shooter. There was no need for it. The problem some Robron fans is that some are so focussed on them becoming an item and living happy ever after that they are going to be disappointed whatever happens. They want them to be on screen together all the time. I get that when you ship something then that's what you want but you have to look at the bigger picture. And that brings me to your next point. I would love to see Ross act like the family man and live happy ever after with someone he loves etc but I know deep down it is never going to happen. Ross obviously has deep issues and I don't think it's fair to say that it's all false. It can't be easy knowing that your mum tried to kill you when young. It's going to affect you. He may not be wired to do the whole family thing. But surely he is allowed the chance. Just because he has issues doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to have a chance to settle down. Only he can mess it up. I do think he does care about Debbie and it isn't just because she had Pete. But they haven't really had the long term thing and that is when it will be tested. The whole kids thing aswell wont be easy for him. Charley going on Maternity means it probably wont end well but Robron fans know Aaron is going to get out eventually. Probably sooner rather than later And I bet you Aaron, Ross and Robert will all have stuff in the future and the who shot Robert thing will be swept under the carpet

[LauBuch]

What mostly annoys me about Ross and Debbie is the contradiction...
Debbie left Pete because he thought he killed Ross and it made her think he was just like Cameron. Ok, fair enough.
However, with everything Ross has done since being in Emmerdale and Debbie knowing about how Ross premeditated his attempts at killing Pete, I don't get how she can justify having him move in?
I know she was always more attracted to Ross than Pete, but she needs to sort out how she judges people. Ross is bloody attractive, but would I have someone like that around my kids if I had any? No way