Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[Dazzle]

Awww...I'm a bit heartbroken for Les at the moment. No doubt he's been dreading Pam's disgust their whole marriage.

I understand it would be a huge shock to find your partner of decades has kept such a pivotal part of themselves a secret (and worse, shared it with another woman). I hope she comes to terms with it and forgives him - for Christine, if not for Claudette. Apparently, Roger Sloman (Les) has said on Twitter

Spoiler:

that he's been practising with make up etc, so we're going to see Christine. I hope those scenes are done sensitively too, unlike the Y-fronts spectacle! It'd be good to see the revelation's effect on them and their marriage explored in depth.

The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it's not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment.

At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought.

[lizann]

martin to kathy death suits you

[Rear window]

I wanted Pam to say that she wants to meet Christine. If she doesn't try to understand Les and Christine then their marriage is doomed. Maybe she will come round to the idea - perhap Dot has a word with her.
I would have wanted him to stop sharing his secret with Claudette. The sense of betrayal must be huge with both Les and Claudette having colluded to keep this quiet.

And I loved Martin's comment to Kathy.

Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?

[Rear window]

dup

[tammyy2j]

Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max

Kathy's storyline is getting worse as it goes on

[maidmarian]

The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it'not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment.

At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought. [/QUOTE]

I.agree -I think its because Kathy is very different from
how we remember her and tho we know Gavin is
mentally abusing her -its not really visible yet.
The viewers are being expected to make too many
adjustments and fill.in gaps.

Probably trying to have too many strands to story
without developing them in.enough detail individually!
(imo)!

[storyseeker1]

I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.

[Ruffed_lemur]

I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.

I agree about Paul being told. Maybe he could help Pam understand?

[Dazzle]

Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?

It was explained to him although I can't remember precisely what was said. I'm certain he doesn't think Kathy's come back to life.

Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max

I think Dot forgives Ben because Heather's death was an accident. Presumably Max is thought to have killed Lucy in cold blood since he got twenty years. Also Ben was very young at the time.

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.

I'm sure she'll tell Paul when she's had a chance to calm down. We've only seen her in shock so far. As Claudette pointed out, Pam will have had to have developed an open mind as a social worker so I don't think the cross-dressing itself will cause long term problems. It's the lies and betrayal that will take time to get over.

[tammyy2j]

Ian is angry Kathy was going to take his money