Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[lizann]

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

[Kim]

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

Stacey may not have really seen Jean since Sean gave her the key. She didn't say when, she just said ages ago. Perhaps she met up with him while she was on the run. This could have been as early as December 2010, which can be regarded as ages ago.

Alternatively, perhaps it was just before he left. Jean had an episode soon after so asking about the key wouldn't have helped anything. Stacey then had Danielle's death, her own bipolar, a rape, a pregnancy and Bradley's death to contend with.

I think we can let that part go, what I want to know is how no one has asked her about why she was wearing a key before. She was wearing it on the stall at one point!

[parkerman]

Good episode tonight. Two quick glimpses of Winston and none of Dean.

[Dazzle]

On the Shabnam and Jade point, I would actually rather that Shabnam has this new child rather than turning around in the future and deciding that she wants a relationship with Jade. Too many adoptive/step/foster parents who have done all the hard work are almost wiped out of existence when the biological parent shows up (Rebecca, Dean; even Sharon is now going back on her prior comments that her adoptive parents were the real thing.) I am fed up with the show doing this.

I see what you mean, but a soap is only likely to introduce a long lost child/parent if it's going to present plenty of dramatic opportunities - which almost inevitably includes parent and child being reunited.

Jade has only been fostered and doesn't appear to be settled with a loving family. The foster father is decidedly dodgy - although not completely uncaring. I'm sure her unstable situation is deliberate to make it more realistic a family member could get custody and that Jade herself would be eager to meet and perhaps live with her real family.

Since the story's been done this way and it's been hinted Shabnam cares for Jade deep down, it seems inevitable to me that Shabnam will grow closer to her if she comes to live on the square. Given this, I'd still prefer the story concentrate on Shabnam's relationship with Jade. There's plenty of time for other kids.

I agree with Parkerman's point about a relationship with Jade and the new baby being a completely different thing. It must be harder to feel for a child as a parent is supposed to when you've missed out on part of their life for whatever reason. Carol Hanley never saw Sharon as a daughter despite going on to have more children. Regardless of the fact the shame that Shabnam wanted to avoid is now not an issue, Shabnam still feels privately ashamed of her one night stand with Dean. Shabnam's opinions are harsher than most, perhaps she can't see Jade separately of that. To 'forget' one, she has to 'forget' the other. She's probably further ashamed now that she knows that Jade's father is a rapist, even though he didn't rape her.

I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.

Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.

[tammyy2j]

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

I really enjoyed the Carol and Max scenes too

[maidmarian]

I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.

Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.[/QUOTE]

Dazzle - this reply is probably a lot of rubbish
but put it forward for what its worth.

I think it is possible for someone to divorce
themselves from a past situation - as tho it
never happened.But that doesnt really tally
with Shabnams personality?? A form of
self-protection?

Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!.

I read about it some years ago-if Ive remembered
it correctly. I thought it might be called
" tranference" but now dont think so.

Got visitors shortly so cant do any research
- and not sure what to look for.
Its just something at the back of my brain
that wont come forward!!
So just mentioning it in case it rings any
bells!!
MM

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[Dazzle]

Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!

That makes perfect sense to me and thanks for drawing my attention to that condition. Again though, I don't feel it fits Shabnam's situation, as she showed interest in meeting Jade (and did in fact meet her very briefly) recently. Either she cares for Jade or she doesn't. Similarly, either she wants Jade in her life or she doesn't. These inconsistencies are what's puzzling me.

It's not just being in denial either, because I accepted her being in denial about Jade at various points in the story. The last episode we saw Shabnam - when she told her family about the baby - there was what I felt a coldness towards Jade that hadn't been there before. That's what I'm finding hard to fathom.

It might be that I read that particular scene incorrectly though.

[lizann]

what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate

this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal

[lizann]

what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate

this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal