Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[xx_Dan_xx]

Phil will just use brute force, whereas max does have the law on his side (albeit acquired in a dodgy way!!)

max needs to get the locks changed on the Arches and establish occupation pdq

Perhaps but doesn't matter if Max has the law or not. Phil will either force Max to hand it back over or else.

Best case scenario for Max is to actually be Lucy's killer so he is safe away from Phil. xD

[tammyy2j]

If Charlie tells Max that Nick is the real cause of the crash Max might show some heart and give the Arches back to Phil and Ben

[xx_Dan_xx]

If Charlie tells Max that Nick is the real cause of the crash Max might show some heart and give the Arches back to Phil and Ben

Hmm perhaps but not quite sure if Phil would call it quits. I'd like to think there is good in Phil.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[Dazzle]

I've been doing some more thinking about the power of attorney business.

If I'm remembering the sequence of events correctly, Phil found out about Sharon and Marcus trying to con him several weeks before the wedding (which is when he and Ritchie set up the power of attorney).

The thing is, Phil didn't even know where Ben was at this time as the latter didn't turn up until a day or two before the wedding, so the signature must have been forged. If Ben realised this, he was hardly going to complain since it gave him what he wanted.

I wish the writers would make the details clear but I suppose they think the average viewer neither knows nor cares about the finer details of the law (the same goes for Kat's inheritance too). To be honest, the details of the POA didn't occur to me until you lot started discussing it.

[maidmarian]

According to the government's website, Phil could have appointed Ben as a lasting power of attorney over his property and financial affairs:

\"A lasting power of attorney (LPA) is a legal document that lets you (the ‘donor’) appoint one or more people (known as ‘attorneys’) to help you make decisions or make decisions on your behalf.

This gives you more control over what happens to you if, for example, you have an accident or an illness and can’t make decisions at the time they need to be made (you ‘lack mental capacity’).

You must be 18 or over and have mental capacity – the ability to make your own decisions – when you make your LPA.

There are 2 types of LPA:

health and welfare
property and financial affairs

You can choose to make one type or both.\"

Ben must have signed forms at the time so he couldn't have not known what was happening (unless his signature was forged - which I wouldn't put past Phil and Ritchie). If he knew, maybe he just assumed it'd been rescinded by now.

\"The donor will ask you to be their attorney. If you agree, you’ll need to sign their lasting power of attorney (LPA) form.\"

Sarah's right that an LPA needs to be registered, but it could have been done straight away which would make it stand right now.

\"Register your LPA with the Office of the Public Guardian (this can take up to 10 weeks).\"

\"It can be used as soon as it’s registered, with your permission.\"

This all seems to fit into the current storyline to me.

I agree with your summary above Dazzle
had read the info on website and the info
abt variations recently and before ( for family
reasons)
As you will know there is a lot more- but
too much to quote.
Government guidance on a website is their
current interepation of the law and the
acts that underpin it. People can and do
challenge their intereptations in test cases-
unlikely in EE but does happen in real life
and where big legal firms get their income.


Its when its in a personal context you can
see its potential effects on real people.


But re Phil- it just seems a bit out of character
as he as been in a similar siuation various times
before ( when Ben either not born or child) -
I thought he would have a different attitude
to handing over the control of an LPA
when there are other ways of doing things.

But soap characters do change over years
and are perceived in various ways by different
viewers.

Purely as a matter of interest- I know you
pay attention to detail and I have missed
some bits recently (being away on family
matters) - have you heard the term
Lasting Power of Attorney actually mentioned
on the prog or just Power of Attorney?

It would be very boring to have everything
spelt out in detail. But sometimes a couple
of clear sentences would avoid confusion
and there are repititious bits could be cut!!

wait to see what happens next!

[Dazzle]

Purely as a matter of interest- I know you
pay attention to detail and I have missed
some bits recently (being away on family
matters) - have you heard the term
Lasting Power of Attorney actually mentioned
on the prog or just Power of Attorney?

No, the term Lasting Power of Attorney hasn't been used on the programme.

I searched for "Power of Attorney" but that brings you to the LPA page on the government's website. There's also Enduring Power of Attorney, but that's now been superceded by Lasting Power of Attorney.

I didn't read any of the numerous legal websites that came up on my search in depth, but did spot "Limited Power of Attorney" being mentioned. Since the government's information fit with the storyline I just went with that in my post.

Regarding whether it's in Phil's character to do such a thing, I'd say that since the point was to cut Sharon out of his affairs when he married her, I can go along with it. Ben wasn't in Phil's life at the time so it must have seemed very unlikely that Ben would ever get power over Phil's affairs. I guess Phil forgot about it with the shooting drama etc.

[lizann]

babe was or is on love with stan too, he must have been a looker in his hay day

[Dazzle]

Excellent episode last night!

I wonder if Nick's gone for good? I can't see it somehow. I'm sure the resolution to this story will be much more dramatic. Yvonne's goodbye felt more final.

I'm torn between feeling sorry for Dot and being frustrated at her gullibility. At least she's accepted Nick's guilt quickly this time I suppose.

I must say that Aleks had shown a whole new layer of his personality playing the househusband. I think he's been a bit of a saint personally. I know Roxy wanted to be with Ronnie but surely the latter would've preferred that her sister spent the majority of her time looking after the baby, not leaving him with latest in a long line of boyfriends.

I wish Jay would just tell Abi her boyfriends gay! But then, would she believe him?

[Glen1]

Cracking episode , the whole storyline has become a welcome break from the Lucy Beale whodunit or who didn't do it imo. Thought there was a distinct tear in John Altman's eyes in his final scenes with June Brown , perhaps it was their last time as Nick and Dot ,and he was sensitive to that.