Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[tammyy2j]

As usual too much hype but still the best soap this Christmas for me

[xx_Dan_xx]

Tomorrow's episode probably has more action and todays just the reveal. Brother or Nephew, Mick should be killing Dean - not 3 punches and thats it.

[Dazzle]

Jane proposing to Ian so quickly after her return, particularly after the reasons for her previous departure . not her style imo. May somehow be linked to the L.B.plot ? But can't fathom how....

I really hope you're right that there's more to it, Glen, because Jane deserves a more than becoming Ian's doormat for a second time. The worrying thing is that she's acting as if she's genuinely happy.

he's your brother so typical of eastenders

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Unfortunately some people guessed the truth about Shirley being Mick's mother would be revealed as it did, which is a shame. If I hadn't have read those guesses, the ending would have shocked me.

Tomorrow's episode probably has more action and todays just the reveal. Brother or Nephew, Mick should be killing Dean - not 3 punches and thats it.

Agreed, especially the bit about Mick killing Dean. Why did Shirley have to get in the way??!!

I thought that was an incredibly tense episode and that the Mick and Linda scenes were very moving. The prolonged reveal scenes between Linda and Mick may have felt slow to some, but I felt they were needed as a catharsis after so much stress and secrecy.

I am sorry that Mick only got a few punches in before Shirley stopped him. I hope you're right Dan, and that Dean will get his comeuppance tomorrow. I'd like to see the police lead a severely injured Dean away in handcuffs personally...

Do we really believe that Dean's so deluded he doesn't understand he's a rapist? I think (hope) that he's putting that on.

Cora's jealousy over the wife Stan hasn't seen for nearly 40 years was a bit over the top!

Overall, I thought it was an excellent episode of EE and I'm really looking forward to Boxing Day's episode. Now everything's out in the open there should be plenty of drama tomorrow.

[parkerman]

Sorry to disagree, Dazzle, but I thought that, after all the hype, it was a pretty poor episode, especially Shirley's "He's your brother" outburst. It sounded so unnatural to me. Why would she say that after all she's been through to try and keep Mick from learning the truth? Yes, I know she wanted him to stop beating Dean up, but that just sounded so false to me?

I also found the whole business with Stan's wife and what she does and doesn't remember and Cora's reaction pretty hard to fathom.

Compared to some of the great Christmas episodes of the past, I thought it was a bit duff. Its only redeeming feature was Max. He was great.

[parkerman]

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[Dazzle]

Sorry to disagree, Dazzle, but I thought that, after all the hype, it was a pretty poor episode, especially Shirley's "He's your brother" outburst. It sounded so unnatural to me. Why would she say that after all she's been through to try and keep Mick from learning the truth? Yes, I know she wanted him to stop beating Dean up, but that just sounded so false to me?

If you remember though, Babe stopped Shirley from revealing the truth several times during the episode. I think it's been made obvious from the start that Babe manipulated the whole situation and convinced Shirley (and possibly Sylvie too) to lie about being Mick's mum.

I think the main weakness is that Shirley's outburst at the end was predictable (since so many foresaw it happening). I'm excited to see what happens next though.

I also found the whole business with Stan's wife and what she does and doesn't remember and Cora's reaction pretty hard to fathom.

Agreed. Maybe there's more to the story than we've been told?

Compared to some of the great Christmas episodes of the past, I thought it was a bit duff.

I don't agree that it was duff lol, although maybe it didn't quite live up to the hype.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Yeah, I actually believe Dean is deluded enough to believe it wasn't rape. However, I am more concerned if in the future, Mick will start to doubt his wife's innocence. Should that ever happen, complete loss of faith in EE.

[Dazzle]

Yeah, I actually believe Dean is deluded enough to believe it wasn't rape. However, I am more concerned if in the future, Mick will start to doubt his wife's innocence. Should that ever happen, complete loss of faith in EE.

I'm absolutely convinced that Mick will not doubt Linda. He saw the devastation the rape caused her and knows that her explanation rings true to her behaviour. Dean also made some creepy comments about Linda just before she confessed all yesterday, so Mick can be in doubt that Dean is a sleazy misogynist. The icing on the cake is that Mick absolutely loves Linda to death. I think I'd too have a loss of faith in EE if Mick did something so out of character as to seriously doubt Linda, but I'm positive it won't happen.

It was disappointing that Shirley believed Dean but I felt it was in character and realistic that a woman would believe her own son over Linda (who she dislikes). I hope she changes her mind if and when she speaks to Linda though.

As for whether Dean truly believes he didn't rape Linda, I've been thinking about it and I'm more sure than ever that he cannot believe it deep down. I didn't see the rape episode but I've read how it went down: that Linda said no several times and struggled, and that Dean behaved very coldly during and after it. If he thought it was consensual, surely he'd have behaved affectionately towards her? Also, he's often intimidated her since the rape. He may be in denial but I can't believe he's deluded in a mental illness kind of way (and I also find the thought horrendous that the writers might go down the path of trying to elicit sympathy for Dean if that happens).

Parkerman...did you notice that I thanked your deleted double post? I did it before you deleted it, so I was actually thanking the original post you wrote not the blank one lol!

[xx_Dan_xx]

I'm absolutely convinced that Mick will not doubt Linda. He saw the devastation the rape caused her and knows that her explanation rings true to her behaviour. Dean also made some creepy comments about Linda just before she confessed all yesterday, so Mick can be in doubt that Dean is a sleazy misogynist. The icing on the cake is that Mick absolutely loves Linda to death. I think I'd too have a loss of faith in EE if Mick did something so out of character as to seriously doubt Linda, but I'm positive it won't happen.

It was disappointing that Shirley believed Dean but I felt it was in character and realistic that a woman would believe her own son over Linda (who she dislikes). I hope she changes her mind if and when she speaks to Linda though.

As for whether Dean truly believes he didn't rape Linda, I've been thinking about it and I'm more sure than ever that he cannot believe it deep down. I didn't see the rape episode but I've read how it went down: that Linda said no several times and struggled, and that Dean behaved very coldly during and after it. If he thought it was consensual, surely he'd have behaved affectionately towards her? Also, he's often intimidated her since the rape. He may be in denial but I can't believe he's deluded in a mental illness kind of way (and I also find the thought horrendous that the writers might go down the path of trying to elicit sympathy for Dean if that happens).

Parkerman...did you notice that I thanked your deleted double post? I did it before you deleted it, so I was actually thanking the original post you wrote not the blank one lol!

I did see the episode, he was drunk, upset and Linda was comforting him beforehand. It is plausible I guess but who knows what he believes.

We know it doesn't go to trial - is that because he gets away with it, murdered or does he hand himself in?

[xx_Dan_xx]

I'm absolutely convinced that Mick will not doubt Linda. He saw the devastation the rape caused her and knows that her explanation rings true to her behaviour. Dean also made some creepy comments about Linda just before she confessed all yesterday, so Mick can be in doubt that Dean is a sleazy misogynist. The icing on the cake is that Mick absolutely loves Linda to death. I think I'd too have a loss of faith in EE if Mick did something so out of character as to seriously doubt Linda, but I'm positive it won't happen.

It was disappointing that Shirley believed Dean but I felt it was in character and realistic that a woman would believe her own son over Linda (who she dislikes). I hope she changes her mind if and when she speaks to Linda though.

As for whether Dean truly believes he didn't rape Linda, I've been thinking about it and I'm more sure than ever that he cannot believe it deep down. I didn't see the rape episode but I've read how it went down: that Linda said no several times and struggled, and that Dean behaved very coldly during and after it. If he thought it was consensual, surely he'd have behaved affectionately towards her? Also, he's often intimidated her since the rape. He may be in denial but I can't believe he's deluded in a mental illness kind of way (and I also find the thought horrendous that the writers might go down the path of trying to elicit sympathy for Dean if that happens).

Parkerman...did you notice that I thanked your deleted double post? I did it before you deleted it, so I was actually thanking the original post you wrote not the blank one lol!

I did see the episode, he was drunk, upset and Linda was comforting him beforehand. It is plausible I guess but who knows what he believes.

We know it doesn't go to trial - is that because he gets away with it, murdered or does he hand himself in?