Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[Dazzle]

I don't watch EE on a regular basis so was it never shown why Tosh had anger issues? The way she was brought up, abusive parent or something like that?? I liked Tosh in the episodes I watched, portrayed by a very good actress

I agree, the actress was excellent. I was able to sympathise with Tosh during moments of vulnerability, which shows the actress' capability.

Tosh's background was never explored in depth (a missed opportunity I think) but we did meet her mother. Her parents were religious and highly disapproved of the fact she was gay. She wasn't accepted as part of the family after coming out. That was where her anger issues stemmed from.

[tammyy2j]

I don't watch EE on a regular basis so was it never shown why Tosh had anger issues? The way she was brought up, abusive parent or something like that?? I liked Tosh in the episodes I watched, portrayed by a very good actress

Tina mentioned Tosh had issues with her parents but it was never explored more as a storyline, I think Tosh's parents didn't approve of her sexuality I don't think she was beaten by her parents

[monalisa62003]

I didnt watch the phil and sharon scene, glad i didnt As i know he was all over her like a rash and it was disgusting. Where is the logic, shriley is in TEARS yet phil gets to be happy. Baffles belief why the show thinks we want phil to be happy

[maidmarian]

When you say "as the story unfolds", what do you mean? That was Tosh's last appearance. She's gone for good.

Well, me lud, what do I mean.........indeed!!

My plea in mitigation is that I have been staying
with in.an EE unfriendly environment for a while
and havent "caught up " with the latest episodes
When poster asked why cops not called I had
been reading a v long posting dated 8/12 in thread
"Rebecca Sproggs" where actress quotes long term
arc/reasons for her behaviour at lenghth and makes
it sound almost as tho she will be portrayed as
much a victim as Tina
So I thought there was much
more to come! but it didnt look as tho it would
be acceptable to victims & viewers and I posted my
reply.

There is now anr posting in same thread dated 12/12
confirming character has left and so has left a lot
of matters unresolved.
So Im sorry about my posting. I supposed it was too
much to expect a full resolution of an issue in a soap
and I dont think there is any excuse for domestic
violence.
Perhaps actress hoping for longer stay and exaggerating!

[parkerman]

While on the subject of general gripes (see DAvid and Kylie!!! on the Corrie thread), isn't it about time the well-worn cliche of getting stuck behind a stationary van was put out to grass. That must have been at least the 100th time it's happened in Eastenders! And it all seemed to be about nothing anyway. If Shirley's mum had gone missing for a long time, there might have been some reason for it, but, really, what was the point???

[maidmarian]

While on the subject of general gripes (see DAvid and Kylie!!! on the Corrie thread), isn't it about time the well-worn cliche of getting stuck behind a stationary van was put out to grass. That must have been at least the 100th time it's happened in Eastenders! And it all seemed to be about nothing anyway. If Shirley's mum had gone missing for a long time, there might have been some reason for it, but, really, what was the point???

I suppose because SWs have done it many
times before- they think why waste time&
brain-cells thinking up a new script when
u can" phone one in" for same salary.!

[maidmarian]

While on the subject of general gripes (see DAvid and Kylie!!! on the Corrie thread), isn't it about time the well-worn cliche of getting stuck behind a stationary van was put out to grass. That must have been at least the 100th time it's happened in Eastenders! And it all seemed to be about nothing anyway. If Shirley's mum had gone missing for a long time, there might have been some reason for it, but, really, what was the point???

I suppose because SWs have done it many
times before- they think why waste time&
brain-cells thinking up a new script when
u can" phone one in" for same salary.!

[Dazzle]

Excellent episode last night.

I was shocked that Sylvie has Alzheimer's. An unexpected twist in the tale that makes her an extremely unpredictable (and sad) character to watch.

Dot certainly wasn't expecting Ian to go rushing round to tell all to Sharon and Phil! I wonder what they'll do?

I didnt watch the phil and sharon scene, glad i didnt As i know he was all over her like a rash and it was disgusting. Where is the logic, shriley is in TEARS yet phil gets to be happy. Baffles belief why the show thinks we want phil to be happy

I knew there'd be a post from you about last night's Phil and Sharon scenes!

...and I dont think there is any excuse for domestic
violence.

I don't think there were ever any excuses made for Tosh's violence (except by Tina, who was under her spell). We were given glimpses of reasons for her anger and insecurity, which always have root causes, but that in no way excuses her battering Tina.

What I'd like to see for once is character like Tosh seeking professional help and overcoming their anger and violence issues instead of them just leaving the soap when their behaviour becomes public knowledge (and presumably moving on to their next victim).

I still felt she was redeemable as a character (up until the last brutal attack) if, after Tina had left her, she'd admitted that she had a problem and sought help for it. It might have encouraged others to do the same too. I don't know how realistic that scenario is in real life though.

[monalisa62003]

Dazzle, i havent watched the snogging bits yet. ive watched before sharon came in and when phil was answering the door. I've seen pics and other people have commented on it. Phil doesnt seem as into sharon as he was with shirley, he put up a much bigger fight with jay to leave them alone than he did ian, and he was all over shirley a lot more than sharon. One picture i seen he actually looks miserable kissing her. He didnt touch her face and barely touched her hair (from what ive been told) He just stood there when ian came in. I don't buy this phils madly in love with sharon at all...Thankgod i have scenes to look forward to! I was expecting it to be more than what i've heard. They had a snogging scene last year that looked like he was actually eating her, and i know ive been told he was slightly in this one but the pics didnt look the same as that one. that one was awful (for me) to watch...this one im thinking it might not be that bad lol!

of course that is all from my perspective from the bits ive watched and what people have told me. I seen him smile on the market and that worried me more!. i was glad the last scene was at the very end of the episode so i could turn it over! (if you think im wrong please dont be too harsh, this is just from what ive seen without watching the snogging bits!)

Sylvie is nasty, she was nasty about shirleys looks. the actress has already said sylvie is manipulative

[maidmarian]

You did get the impression- from
interview with actress the DV issue
would be dealt with much more deeply.
Reasons for behaviour given making it
if not excusable then to some extent
understandable and the actress seemed
to hint at some sort of redemption.

So I was amazed after missing a couple
of episodes- it was all concluded and Tosh
gone. I doubt she would return in the future.
In the few cases I became aware of -I'm
not sure redemption was possible-because
of attitudes- people need to want to change.
But different people with different lives
who accept their behaviour was wrong
and want to change - there must be at
least a hope for the future even if the
victim does not want to see them again.

My own limited experience of people who
have been victims of Domestic Violence
is men attacking women and one case of
a very small woman attacking a very large
man over prolonged period- unknown to
friends & colleagues . Which apparently
happens more frequently than thought.

So a case of two women which tho
very unpleasant was an opportunity to
highlight a scenario a lot of people
wouldnt be aware of and bring more
general awareness - as well.