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Thread: Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

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    My issue with shirley saying she loves andy, is that she said she has "always loved him" since she was a kid. Does this mean she now classes andy as the "love of her life" and she didnt truly love phil? so what was all that about wanting to be with him and for him to choose her over everyone else and risk loosing everything? why all the upset he couldnt choose her over ben/sharon. it wasnt just the affair. shes been talking about him loving sharon for years and that he didnt love her. now it turns out she was never that bothered and just waiting for andy.

    I wanted shirl to be with another bloke, but not one she had loved since she was a kid and made out she loved him more than phil.

    I dont like shirl around andy, she doesnt stand up to him and lets him call her names. She'd have slapped phil for the way andy talked to her and mick
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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyy2j View Post
    I was quite surprised how accepting so quick Dean was of Buster as his dad and that he was going off with him and Shirley, Kevin loved Dean as his own son even though he wasn't his biological dad
    Most people who don't know one or both of their parents want to find them. People seem to have a need to find out where they come from. That doesn't mean that they love their adoptive or step parents any less, or that they'll forget them.

    It's been made clear many times that Dean loved Kevin and I don't see why that would have to change even if he develops a relationship with Andy and even grows to love him too.

    Dean's very needy where Shirley's concerned, despite his antipathy towards her. So I feel it's in character that he would cling on to another parent. He did get over the shock very quickly though!

    Quote Originally Posted by monalisa62003 View Post
    My issue with shirley saying she loves andy, is that she said she has "always loved him" since she was a kid. Does this mean she now classes andy as the "love of her life" and she didnt truly love phil? so what was all that about wanting to be with him and for him to choose her over everyone else and risk loosing everything? why all the upset he couldnt choose her over ben/sharon. it wasnt just the affair. shes been talking about him loving sharon for years and that he didnt love her. now it turns out she was never that bothered and just waiting for andy.

    I wanted shirl to be with another bloke, but not one she had loved since she was a kid and made out she loved him more than phil.

    I dont like shirl around andy, she doesnt stand up to him and lets him call her names. She'd have slapped phil for the way andy talked to her and mick
    I saw a comment elsewhere that Shirley and Buster may have a similar relationship to Pat and Frank, or David and Carol. They love others, but always gravitate back to each other in the end.

    I don't think Phil and Shirley's history is being re-written. Shirley obviously did feel that strongly for Phil or she wouldn't have shot him. It's just that their relationship came to an end, and a very bitter end at that. Phil and Shirley were toxic together and they both knew it. They both seem to want to move on and I applaud that as their relationship wasn't much fun to watch. To me, the only part that's unbelievable is how soon Shirley's moved on - but that's par for the course in soaps so I can accept it.

    There was very obvious affection between Shirley and Buster, and she actually had a smile on her face when she was with him which was a pleasure to witness. He didn't come across as disrespectful towards her (unlike Phil does). There was an easy banter between them which showed how well they know each other.

    It's best to try not to take it all too seriously, Mona. It's someone else's story and we viewers are just along for the ride. The writers devise the story that makes sense to them and they can't please everyone unfortunately. Maybe it'll make more sense to you when we've heard more of what Shirley's got to say about it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzle View Post
    Most people who don't know one or both of their parents want to find them. People seem to have a need to find out where they come from. That doesn't mean that they love their adoptive or step parents any less, or that they'll forget them.

    It's been made clear many times that Dean loved Kevin and I don't see why that would have to change even if he develops a relationship with Andy and even grows to love him too.

    Dean's very needy where Shirley's concerned, despite his antipathy towards her. So I feel it's in character that he would cling on to another parent. He did get over the shock very quickly though!



    I saw a comment elsewhere that Shirley and Buster may have a similar relationship to Pat and Frank, or David and Carol. They love others, but always gravitate back to each other in the end.

    I don't think Phil and Shirley's history is being re-written. Shirley obviously did feel that strongly for Phil or she wouldn't have shot him. It's just that their relationship came to an end, and a very bitter end at that. Phil and Shirley were toxic together and they both knew it. They both seem to want to move on and I applaud that as their relationship wasn't much fun to watch. To me, the only part that's unbelievable is how soon Shirley's moved on - but that's par for the course in soaps so I can accept it.

    There was very obvious affection between Shirley and Buster, and she actually had a smile on her face when she was with him which was a pleasure to witness. He didn't come across as disrespectful towards her (unlike Phil does). There was an easy banter between them which showed how well they know each other.

    It's best to try not to take it all too seriously, Mona. It's someone else's story and we viewers are just along for the ride. The writers devise the story that makes sense to them and they can't please everyone unfortunately. Maybe it'll make more sense to you when we've heard more of what Shirley's got to say about it all.
    I dont believe for a second andy is the love of shirls life or theyre over each other. Phils miserable with sharon and shirls just deluding herself shes over him she was in tears when phil went to prison but wasnt like that when andy left


    Are you referring to their reecent affair as i agree that wasnt fun, but i loved them when they was together. I found them adorable and they were hilarious together. I really miss their banter. They did have fun together they went out and had a laugh. People forget this. Not only were they fun but they were very complex and interesting they never got boring and always had diff stories not just boring affair ones

    Sorry but anyone who calls shirl a silly tart isnt on. If phil called her that i can garuntee people would say he was wrong for her

    I think phil and shirl have more scenes coming up which is another reason why i dont believe theyre over, the preview is very telling that phil went back on his word and was disloyal to sharon
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    Quote Originally Posted by monalisa62003 View Post
    I think phil and shirl have more scenes coming up which is another reason why i dont believe theyre over, the preview is very telling that phil went back on his word and was disloyal to sharon
    Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.

    Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzle View Post
    Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.

    Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona.
    ive seen people say shirl would have cheated on phil with andy. im sorry but i find this completely insane. shirley hated the thought of phil loving another woman more than her or cheating on her. why would she cheat on him and be a hypocrite? people are making her out to be nasty and cruel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzle View Post
    Well I haven't seen any previews or read the spoilers so I don't know what's coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if their relationship is revisited as it's been such a huge part of their lives, but I just hope it isn't rekindled. Shirley needs to drop Phil for good and get her self-respect back in my opinion.

    Whatever happens, one of us is going to be disappointed, Mona.
    ive seen people say shirl would have cheated on phil with andy. im sorry but i find this completely insane. shirley hated the thought of phil loving another woman more than her or cheating on her. why would she cheat on him and be a hypocrite? people are making her out to be nasty and cruel

    tonights ep proves for me andy is just in the moment and not real love. shirl wanted to get away from phil, that was a big plus for leaving. knew it didnt make any sense for andy to be her true love
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    we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps

    i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke

    i don't think shirley really loves buster

    paddy's allotment when was that last used

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    we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps

    i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke

    i don't think shirley really loves buster

    paddy's allotment when was that last used

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizann View Post
    we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps

    i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke

    i don't think shirley really loves buster

    paddy's allotment when was that last used
    exactly i think shirley is in love with the idea of andy, similar to the way phil is in love with the idea of sharon.

    If andys extension in prison is on top of what he already had, how longer is he in prison for? Was he out on license ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizann View Post
    we have to remember shirley left because she shot phil and babe let her believe he was in a bad way so her emotions were all over the shop and buster being there for her was a comfort perhaps

    i prefer shirley being a drunk and cheating on kev with random blokes than the one same bloke

    i don't think shirley really loves buster

    paddy's allotment when was that last used
    exactly i think shirley is in love with the idea of andy, similar to the way phil is in love with the idea of sharon.

    If andys extension in prison is on top of what he already had, how longer is he in prison for? Was he out on license ?

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