Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

[tammyy2j]

As I said above, I didn't watch last night's episode and won't be watching tonight either. Rape is too sore a subject for me to be able to deal with it.

Anyway, would someone kindly explain what happened with Aunt Babe that's got you all talking about her?

Since she arrived I have found her shifty and she helped Shirley leg it and hide her from Mick and Tina who came looking for Shirley and then Shirley wanted to return to see Dean and tell Mick the truth and hand herself in but Babe persuaded her not too, Shirley said something like Babe was like a real mum to her

I don't know I just think she has her own agenda

I am sorry the rape storyline is hard to watch for you Dazzle

I think once Linda said Dean was like her son Lee he wanted to show her he was a man and not a boy and to be seen as a man so he rapes her, there is no way back for Dean and I do think Mick will kill him

Mick is beating Dean bad when Shirley shouts stop he is your brother

[Dazzle]

Since she arrived I have found her shifty and she helped Shirley leg it and hide her from Mick and Tina who came looking for Shirley and then Shirley wanted to return to see Dean and tell Mick the truth and hand herself in but Babe persuaded her not too, Shirley said something like Babe was like a real mum to her

I don't know I just think she has her own agenda

Maybe Babe's actions are because she feels guilty because she helped cover up that Mick is Shirley's son? It'll be interesting if there's more to it than that.

I'm fascinated by Babe. She's quite an unpleasant character but I want to see more of her - a bit like Shirley in that regard.

I am sorry the rape storyline is hard to watch for you Dazzle

Thanks Tammy.

I think once Linda said Dean was like her son Lee he wanted to show her he was a man and not a boy and to be seen as a man so he rapes her, there is no way back for Dean and I do think Mick will kill him

No, there's no way back for Dean. I'm sad that they've done this to his character.

Mick is beating Dean bad when Shirley shouts stop he is your brother

That would be an excellent reveal!

[Dazzle]

Dear me! There've been lots of complaints about the rape in last night's episode.

Despite not watching it myself, I still think it's a good idea to bring these events to people's attention (I've been very down on the storyline because I was worried about rape being used as entertainment, but reading the internet chatter today makes it plain that it was a very uncomfortable watch). The rape conviction statistics are appallingly bad and I'm afraid some people feel entitled to use other people's bodies sexually as they see fit, with little to no repercussions (legal or otherwise). Being violated like that is completely traumatising and ruins lives. I'm very glad they were hard scenes to watch - that was the whole point.

Many of the complaints are about the scenes being shown before the watershed and being unsuitable for children. If you don't want your children to watch a programme like EE that's known for its gritty drama, DON'T LET THEM WATCH IT!! I personally used to take advantage of such scenes to educate my daughter about real life. It's a good way of getting a discussion started.

Also, it's hilarious and sad in equal measure that EE don't get that level of complaints for other violence and murder!

[moonstorm]

Equally, as an opener for discussion with your sons!

[Dazzle]

Equally, as an opener for discussion with your sons!

So true Moonstorm. I didn't think of that as I don't have any sons.

[Glen1]

Take heart Dazzle, over 7 million viewers watched last nights episode , 278 complaints were made . I think that demonstrates overwhelming support for your well stated belief. Of the 278 I hope some read your and Moonstorms previous posts.

[Dazzle]

Take heart Dazzle, over 7 million viewers watched last nights episode , 278 complaints were made . I think that demonstrates overwhelming support for your well stated belief. Of the 278 I hope some read your and Moonstorms previous posts.

Thanks Glen

As you say the ratio of complaints to viewers is extremely low, although that doesn't stop a media frenzy about it lol.

[monalisa62003]

I don't know Mona, Phil looked genuinely happy to be marrying Sharon to me. He treats Shirley with contempt time and time again and she doesn't learn. He doesn't treat Sharon so badly (at least not to her face) because he knows that she wouldn't stand for it like Shirley does.

Of course, I don't believe that Phil is truly capable of loving anyone. I'd be surprised if the marriage lasted long as the relationship is such a car crash.

It was when he couldnt tell shirley she was wrong, i think he only married sharon for ben's sake

Why would Shirley tell all when Phil knows her deepest, darkest secret? It's just asking for trouble, but then I suppose that's Shirley all over.


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she never told him, he guessed when she ran after mick when dean was just returning to the show.

The Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes were excellent last night. Surely that must be the end of Shirley pining for Phil after the way he spoke to her! Even Mona can't think he still loves her surely!

I liked the Abi/Jay Scenes last night but I thought they belonged in an ordinary episode rather than the wedding episodes. They distracted from the tension of the Sharon/Phil/Shirley scenes. I was glad that Abi lost it with Jay as he was uncharacteristically cruel to her.

Still believe he does, he didnt mean any of that he said. Im shocked people believe he meant it. he said it for sharons sake, and he only went to sharon for bens sake. he didnt want to be with sharon, that much is clear to me. he does love shirley, hes just scared of loosing everything IMO he tried to get out of saying it, and his body languaged when he said it was weird. it was obvious he wasnt comfortable saying it

As I said above, I didn't watch last night's episode and won't be watching tonight either. Rape is too sore a subject for me to be able to deal with it.

Anyway, would someone kindly explain what happened with Aunt Babe that's got you all talking about her?

can you not FF through the rape scenes? i did that last night

If phil dont love shirl, sharons jealousy is beyond OTT and pathetic.

Do you honestly think what phil did to sharon behind her back, isnt as bad as doing it to your face? the reason he sweets talk sharon, is cos if he was horrible to her face shed walk. she wouldnt want to know him. he has sweet talked her for years, but done crap to her behind her back. he doesnt defend sharon like he does shirley.

phil might have been horrible to shirley in the past, but he can also be nice and gentle with her. (like when shirley told sharon she knew ronnie killed carl, didnt have a go) but at least shirley knows what he is like. that means more than someone being pulled a wool over their eyes and being a mug. he knows he can be himself around shirley it doesnt mean he dont love her.

[moonstorm]

So true Moonstorm. I didn't think of that as I don't have any sons.

Ah I have three of the little (well not so little at 6 4") persons!

[Dazzle]

It was when he couldnt tell shirley she was wrong, i think he only married sharon for ben's sake

I think it was more complicated than that. Ben definitely factored into the decision to marry Sharon, but Phil seemed genuinely happy to have married Sharon. He appeared to have no regrets about it afterwards.

she never told him, he guessed when she ran after mick when dean was just returning to the show.

What I meant was, why would Shirley tell everyone she slept with Phil when he can take his revenge on her by revealing her secret about Mick? That would have kept me quiet if I was Shirley.

Still believe he does, he didnt mean any of that he said. Im shocked people believe he meant it. he said it for sharons sake, and he only went to sharon for bens sake. he didnt want to be with sharon, that much is clear to me. he does love shirley, hes just scared of loosing everything IMO he tried to get out of saying it, and his body languaged when he said it was weird. it was obvious he wasnt comfortable saying it

No, Phil definitely didn't enjoy saying those things to Shirley. I do believe that he cares for her in his own way. However, the fact that he did what Sharon told him (even though it made him so uncomfortable) means that he wants to stay with her (and not just for Ben) in my opinion. Ben is an adult. Just because Phil decided he didn't want to be with Shirley because of her hatred of Ben didn't automatically mean he had to marry Sharon - unless that's what he wanted.

can you not FF through the rape scenes? i did that last night

I did consider doing this as I was loathe to miss the rest of the episode. I think even watching the scenes fast forwarding would have stressed me out though (because of the recent experience of someone close to me).

Do you honestly think what phil did to sharon behind her back, isnt as bad as doing it to your face?

Definitely! I think Sharon and Shirley are both complete doormats for chasing Phil even after everything he's done to them. I think it's a great pity that two otherwise strong women are written this way.

I should have guessed you wouldn't be over Shirley and Phil, Mona. I'm sure it'll be revisited in the future - the writers won't be able to resist.

Ah I have three of the little (well not so little at 6 4") persons!

Definitely not so little!