Coronation Street - Current Episode Discussion - IV

[parkerman]

It was a bit of a shock to find out that it was Betty who owned the Rovers Return,especially for Stella.

Especially as it was sold BEFORE Annie Walker died!

[sarah c]

Especially as it was sold BEFORE Annie Walker died!

who did Annie Walker sell it to?

[parkerman]

who did Annie Walker sell it to?

Jack and Annie Walker bought the lease of The Rovers Return and moved in on 4 February 1937.

Annie continued the tenancy until 1984 when she signed The Rovers Return over to her son Billy making him landlord.

The brewery, Newton and Ridley, unhappy with the way the pub was being run into the ground by Billy Walker's wayward behaviour, made him an offer he couldn't refuse for the licence. Rather than resell the licence, the brewery decided to hire a manager instead and appointed Bet Lynch who became the brewery's first single manageress of the Rovers.

The following year Newton and Ridley decided to sell the licence to the pub and offered Bet first refusal. However Bet couldn't raise the money and Alec Gilroy lent her the cash to purchase the licence allowing her to become the landlady.

Either way, Annie Walker, who died c. 1995, was neither owner nor licensee at the time of her death so she couldn't have bequeathed it to anyone, let alone Betty.

[sarah c]

Jack and Annie Walker bought the lease of The Rovers Return and moved in on 4 February 1937.

Annie continued the tenancy until 1984 when she signed The Rovers Return over to her son Billy making him landlord.

The brewery, Newton and Ridley, unhappy with the way the pub was being run into the ground by Billy Walker's wayward behaviour, made him an offer he couldn't refuse for the licence. Rather than resell the licence, the brewery decided to hire a manager instead and appointed Bet Lynch who became the brewery's first single manageress of the Rovers.

The following year Newton and Ridley decided to sell the licence to the pub and offered Bet first refusal. However Bet couldn't raise the money and Alec Gilroy lent her the cash to purchase the licence allowing her to become the landlady.

Either way, Annie Walker, who died c. 1995, was neither owner nor licensee at the time of her death so she couldn't have bequeathed it to anyone, let alone Betty.

so if it was more frequently the licence that was being sold on, presumably the Brewery always owned the building itself?

[Dennis tanner]

It was a bit of a shock to find out that it was Betty who owned the Rovers Return,especially for Stella.

It certainly was a shock for two reasons

1. She never owned the pub

2. If she did own the pub, she sold it long before she died.

NB. Breweries sell tenancies but not licences. Licences were a matter for the local magistrates.

[flappinfanny]

i know there has been a lot of hoo ha over whether betty owned the rovers , but i dont really mind. i can over look this lapse in corrie history.

i enjoyed the scenes for bettys funeral/wake. they were excellent, a joy to watch and a fitting tribute to the legendary betty driver. corrie at its best.

[alan45]

From Daran Littles book as posted on Corrieblog

The Rovers Return was one of several hostelries in the area, including the Flying Horse, owned by local brewery Newton and Ridley. Originally to be called the Queen Victoria, following the ‘Old Queen’s’ death in 1901 the pub was renamed the Rovers Return Inn instead. It had 4 bedrooms (one was needed for paying guests for the Rovers to be considered an Inn) and a laundry room which was later converted into a bathroom. The Rovers Return opened its doors on 16th August 1902.

Jack and Annie Walker moved in to the Rovers in 1938. There were quite a few lodgers in the course of their tenancy, including Emily (Nugent) in 1968. Jack died of a heart attack in 1970 and Annie stayed on as manager, appointing Betty Turpin as head barmaid, and Bet Lynch as assistant barmaid.

In October 1983 Annie retired from the Rovers to go and live with Joan in Derby, and the pub was taken over by her son Billy Walker as a condition of Annie paying off his gambling debts of £6000. Billy’s reign as manager wasn’t too successful and he left to go back to Jersey, leaving the managership open for grabs. Betty Turpin urged Bet Lynch to apply for it, and to their delight Bet Lynch became manager of the Rovers Return.

In 1986 the Rovers burned down as a result of Jack Duckworth trying to mend a fuse, but the pub was rebuilt and given a nice new modern look by the brewery. Delighted with the new look Rovers, Bet tried to buy the licence from the brewery, but was overwhelmed by the size of the repayments and fled to Torremolinos.

Alec Gilroy’s name was put over the door of the Rovers, helped by Betty Turpin and Gloria Todd, and after Bet and Alec married in 1987 Alec ‘gave’ bet the Rovers by putting her name over the door instead.

When Alec left Weatherfield in 1992, Bet remained as manager of the Rovers. In 1994 Bet heard that the Rovers was up for sale by the brewery and she could have it for £66,000. With no money of her own, Bet approached Rita for a loan. Rita briefly considered a partnership with Bet but backed out when she realised Bet had neither money nor business sense either, and turned Bet down.

Consequently, the Rovers went under the hammer and was bought by Jack and Vera Duckworth, the first in a line of outright owners of the Rovers Return.

[Dennis tanner]

i know there has been a lot of hoo ha over whether betty owned the rovers , but i dont really mind. i can over look this lapse in corrie history.

i enjoyed the scenes for bettys funeral/wake. they were excellent, a joy to watch and a fitting tribute to the legendary betty driver. corrie at its best.

I thought that the nonsense about the ownership spoilt it somewhat. It just wasn't needed

From Daran Littles book as posted on Corrieblog

The Rovers Return was one of several hostelries in the area, including the Flying Horse, owned by local brewery Newton and Ridley. Originally to be called the Queen Victoria, following the ‘Old Queen’s’ death in 1901 the pub was renamed the Rovers Return Inn instead. It had 4 bedrooms (one was needed for paying guests for the Rovers to be considered an Inn) and a laundry room which was later converted into a bathroom. The Rovers Return opened its doors on 16th August 1902.

Jack and Annie Walker moved in to the Rovers in 1938. There were quite a few lodgers in the course of their tenancy, including Emily (Nugent) in 1968. Jack died of a heart attack in 1970 and Annie stayed on as manager, appointing Betty Turpin as head barmaid, and Bet Lynch as assistant barmaid.

In October 1983 Annie retired from the Rovers to go and live with Joan in Derby, and the pub was taken over by her son Billy Walker as a condition of Annie paying off his gambling debts of £6000. Billy’s reign as manager wasn’t too successful and he left to go back to Jersey, leaving the managership open for grabs. Betty Turpin urged Bet Lynch to apply for it, and to their delight Bet Lynch became manager of the Rovers Return.

In 1986 the Rovers burned down as a result of Jack Duckworth trying to mend a fuse, but the pub was rebuilt and given a nice new modern look by the brewery. Delighted with the new look Rovers, Bet tried to buy the licence from the brewery, but was overwhelmed by the size of the repayments and fled to Torremolinos.

Alec Gilroy’s name was put over the door of the Rovers, helped by Betty Turpin and Gloria Todd, and after Bet and Alec married in 1987 Alec ‘gave’ bet the Rovers by putting her name over the door instead.

When Alec left Weatherfield in 1992, Bet remained as manager of the Rovers. In 1994 Bet heard that the Rovers was up for sale by the brewery and she could have it for £66,000. With no money of her own, Bet approached Rita for a loan. Rita briefly considered a partnership with Bet but backed out when she realised Bet had neither money nor business sense either, and turned Bet down.

Consequently, the Rovers went under the hammer and was bought by Jack and Vera Duckworth, the first in a line of outright owners of the Rovers Return.

AT last a bit of sense from Daran Littlle apart from the fact that the Brewery do not sell licences, They sell tenancies and they sell propertiies. Licences were a matter for the local magistrates.

[tammyy2j]

I thought Bet or Alec or others who worked with Betty like Becky, Raquel etc might return for the funeral

[sarah c]

I thought Bet or Alec or others who worked with Betty like Becky, Raquel etc might return for the funeral

agreed, at least some old faces couldve been persuaded to come back