England goes smoke-free

[Jojo]

Thing is though, where will it end?! Not necessarily talking about smoking, but soon, we won't be able to talk to passengers in the car for fear of distraction, won't be able to change the radio channel because we aren't concentrating on the road - what next?!

[Chloe O'brien]

You won't be able to open a window if your too hot, or put on the air conditioning as that will be an offence.

[Abbie]

Yeah I see your point but isnt this more bout smoking and health

[di marco]

its a good idea, i hate being in cars with people smoking. and seeing as your not allowed to eat while youre driving cos its dangerous why should smoking be any different. dont know how theyd be able to enforce it though

[Perdita]

The same as using a mobile phone whilst driving - if the police see you do it, they will stop and shoot you (only joking)

[Abbie]

And the same with seatbeats as well!

theres loads of things that cant be mointored all the time, but if you get caught its bad luck so its best not to, its one of those things

I know I tend to see ploice cars driving around a bit

[Jojo]

Yeah I see your point but isnt this more bout smoking and health

It is, but its also about freedom of being able to do what you want to do in your own car/life - freedom of choice, and the democratic way etc. When I smoked, if I had passengers, including my children, I didn't smoke in the car, simple as, but if I'm on my own in the car, why the hell shouldn't I have a ciggie?! I've paid however much money for my car and if I want to smoke in it, then I blimming well will! If no one else is in my car, then I'm not harming them or their health!

Its not actually against the law to eat or drink at the wheel, but it CAN be viewed as driving without due care and attention, and if you had an accident whilst doing so, then you would be charged as such and if the Police felt that your driving was impaired whilst eating, then you could be charged and fined also.

[Pinkbanana]

Yeah I see your point but isnt this more bout smoking and health

It is, but its also about freedom of being able to do what you want to do in your own car/life - freedom of choice, and the democratic way etc. When I smoked, if I had passengers, including my children, I didn't smoke in the car, simple as, but if I'm on my own in the car, why the hell shouldn't I have a ciggie?! I've paid however much money for my car and if I want to smoke in it, then I blimming well will! If no one else is in my car, then I'm not harming them or their health!

Its not actually against the law to eat or drink at the wheel, but it CAN be viewed as driving without due care and attention, and if you had an accident whilst doing so, then you would be charged as such and if the Police felt that your driving was impaired whilst eating, then you could be charged and fined also.

I agree that we are living in an increasingly nanny like state, where the Gov is poking it's nose increasingly more and more into peep's everyday life....

However, I think the whole smoking in a car thing was about a doctor saying it was bad for children to be out in a position where they are in a confined space, with someone smoking... I have to agree, its common sense NOT to smoke in a car with your children in there, just as it's not really fair to smoke anywhere around non smokers... I really dont want, and think I have to right, to be in a public area and not breathe in these poisoned fumes... but to actually ban people from smoking in the car, I disagree with.

[Perdita]

Smokers working at a district council must clock out when they nip outside for a fag. So is it fair that employees who smoke do it in their own time?

They're a familiar sight in British towns and cities, huddled at the foot of office blocks under wisps of smoke.

These are the outsiders, both figuratively and literally, who grab a few minutes away from their desk or the shop floor to have a cigarette.

The number of pavement puffers swelled with the demise of the office smoking room when legislation in Scotland in 2006 and the rest of the UK a year later spelt the end of smoking in enclosed public places.

But should they be paying back the time they spend away from their work?

For hundreds of staff at Breckland Council in Norfolk, that is now the reality. On Monday, the district council began a regime of compulsory clocking in and out for smoking breaks, thereby joining some other employers in the public and private sectors who have done the same.

William Nunn, leader of the council, says the move was not initiated by staff resentful that colleagues kept deserting their desk, but by smokers themselves.

"This all came about when staff contacted our HR team because they were confused about what the policy was on clocking out for smoking breaks. Some of the smokers were concerned because many of them, 54% it turned out, clocked out."

[I] What does the law say?
"Employers are not obligated to allow employees to have any smoking breaks at all, and they are legally required to prevent employees from smoking in the workplace. Generally, employees working a shift of six hours or more are entitled to a 20-minute unpaid break during their shift. The entitlement is to one break only and you can normally take this away from your workstation. However, there is an exemption to this where there is a requirement for a permanent presence."

Peter Done
Peninsula, an employment law consultancy [/I/


All 280 staff were surveyed about it and expressed a desire to formalise the policy so that smokers had to clock out for breaks, in the same way that staff would if they nipped out to Tesco, says Mr Nunn. That doesn't apply to coffee breaks because the kitchens are in the building.

"I would suggest that all staff take breaks. The difference is that smokers are taking additional breaks. Everyone, non-smokers and smokers, goes for a wander or for a coffee and we're not suggesting that they should be clocked. We have a policy around personal internet use - that it should only be in free time - and there are undoubtedly breaches of that, like in any company."

There was no suggestion the previous system was being abused, he says, and there have been no objections from the council's 53 smokers. Indeed, many have said they prefer to clock out so their time out is not frowned upon by resentful non-smoking colleagues.

'Tensions over breaks'

The length and frequency of the smoking breaks his employees take varies, says Mr Nunn. Some say they have a couple a day for 4-5 minutes, but others say they have three or four which could last up to 20 minutes if they have clocked out and had a good chat.

On average, a smoker spends an hour each day on a fag break, according to research published last month by www.onepoll.com, who contacted 2,500 adult smokers in the UK. This was usually made up of four 15-minute breaks a day, or a year over their working life.


Smokers have to make up the time taken for cigarette breaks
But a previous study in 2003, by employment law firm Croner Consulting, estimated that it was more likely to be three five-minute breaks a day, making about eight working days a year. The Leicestershire firm said it would receive up to 100 calls a week from bosses worried about what to do about it.

One company head who found smoking to be particularly divisive was Robert King, who managed his own security company in Sheffield, which employed between five and 15 people during his five years as the director.

"There was serious tension at one point when one member of staff, a smoker, didn't respect the rights of the non-smokers because as part of a group of employees performing a task, he would go out for fag, which was disruptive to the team."


The solidarity of street smokers A clocking-on system would have addressed these kind of problems because it makes smokers accountable to themselves, says the 46-year-old former smoker, who believes too many smokers think only about their next cigarette and not the team.

"It's frustrating as a boss because you are virtually powerless. Everyone has a right, if they choose to smoke, but where that right ends is the issue that is contentious within business."

Clocking off is another example of employers making life as difficult as possible for smokers, says Simon Clark, the director of pro-smoking lobby group Forest. It's unfair to penalise these breaks but not others involving coffee or Facebook.

"Many smokers believe having the occasional cigarette allows them to refocus. It's a moment of contemplation that refreshes them when they get back to their desks.

"Everyone gets through the day in different ways. Some take coffee breaks, others go out for a cigarette."

Breaks of any form are absolutely essential, says Cary Cooper, a professor of organisational psychology and health at Lancaster University Especially for British workers, who he says slog the longest hours in the EU, often in front of a computer, but are among the least productive.

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'Smokers have the right idea'
Smokers are doing the right thing by taking breaks People should take breaks every 15-20 minutes while doing intense screen work, because concentration flags But some individuals may take advantage and slack off It can be distracting if a colleague is disappearing every so often, so it's important non-smokers get up and stretch too As long as people maintain a good attitude to work and get the job done, employers shouldn't worry about smoking breaks Clare Evans, time management expert
"People are working longer and harder than ever before. Quite a lot of people are about to lose their jobs in the public sector and this will impact on the private sector also. Fewer people are going to be doing more work. Given this scenario, breaks are more important than ever before."

Fag breaks give smokers the opportunity to chat and socialise, which can help the business, he says.

"If most of us are going to work and are in front of our machines, tending to e-mails and everything, we're not relating to other people. When we take a break we're talking to colleagues and that's ultimately important for teamwork and meeting people's social needs. Breaks aren't just about getting away from the computer but having contact with colleagues, which I think has an indirect benefit on productivity."

Breaks should be for everybody, he says, and unless the clocking-out policy applies to all kinds of breaks, it merely victimises smokers.

A better solution would be giving all staff a 15-minute break in the morning, another in the afternoon, and an hour for lunch. Any additional breaks, for smoking or whatever, can be on the clock.

"It's all about the T-word. The more you trust people the better. And if people undermine that trust then give them feedback."


What are your thoughts on this - smoking only in your own time when at work?

[Siobhan]

"A better solution would be giving all staff a 15-minute break in the morning, another in the afternoon, and an hour for lunch. Any additional breaks, for smoking or whatever, can be on the clock."

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