Current Episode Discussion VII

[Lizzie Brookes]

Ok..lets go back to May and Stella.. clearly both unwell but they did acts of evil.. I don't see how steven is any different...

I see no difference between Steven and May and Stella, they are all mentally bent, and yes EVIL ..
Lizzie you can defend Steven and all the evil characters you want but at the end of the day they are EVIL

I am not condoning anyone's actions. I have sympathy for May and Steven but not Stella. Yes all did wrong. I am not exactly defending any of them. I am only saying that I have sympathy with some people but not others. It is true that Steven needs more help and needs to get back on his medication but as Aaron said I think he genuinely loves his family but has to fight his demons. The only comment I will make is that Aaron is performing Steven really well. I will always have some sympathy for Steven but it is true that he has done wrong and needs help. I'm off to the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread. I'm tired of clashing with people over this.

[tammyy2j]

Had Roxy been drinking?

Poor Pat, Steven should be locked up the Pschyo

I totally forgot about Bianca being related to Steven and Ian, i'm glad it was mentioned.

Sean is becoming so annoying and such a bully. Why the hell doesn't anyone call the cops on him.

[Siobhan]

I am not condoning anyone's actions. I have sympathy for May and Steven but not Stella. Yes all did wrong. I am not exactly defending any of them. I am only saying that I have sympathy with some people but not others. It is true that Steven needs more help and needs to get back on his medication but as Aaron said I think he genuinely loves his family but has to fight his demons. The only comment I will make is that Aaron is performing Steven really well. I will always have some sympathy for Steven but it is true that he has done wrong and needs help. I'm off to the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread. I'm tired of clashing with people over this.

Can I just ask if the reason you don't sympathise with Stella is because she abused a child??? if yes, then what steven is doing to Lucy is also terms as abuse.. he is mentally abusing her into thinking nobody cares and she is better off on her own and please bear in mind Lucy is only 3 years older than Ben, still very much a child

[Siobhan]

Had Roxy been drinking?

Poor Pat, Steven should be locked up the Pschyo

I totally forgot about Bianca being related to Steven and Ian, i'm glad it was mentioned.

Sean is becoming so annoying and such a bully. Why the hell doesn't anyone call the cops on him.

No roxy wasn't drinking.. she had just been out with Ben and Peggy at the dance classes....

[Joanne]

Can I just ask if the reason you don't sympathise with Stella is because she abused a child??? if yes, then what steven is doing to Lucy is also terms as abuse.. he is mentally abusing her into thinking nobody cares and she is better off on her own and please bear in mind Lucy is only 3 years older than Ben, still very much a child

Plus he mentally abused her and Peter previously by making them think that their mother was still alive. Remember when "she" made contact with Lucy saying that she wanted to meet her - Peter was really upset thinking that his mum didn't want to see him.

I agree with the majority that Steven is evil rather than unwell, although I've always used the term rotten! His behaviour leading up to locking Ian up and his behaviour now towards Lucy is both pre-meditated and planned very cunningly . Even last night, the way he got into Pat's cubicle and then asked about closing the curtain, he knew what he was going to do. He didn't act on a moment of impulse. When Pat was knocked down and we then saw Steven sitting on the bench he wasn't sorry for what happened, he wasn't concerned as to the welfare of his Grandmother, his only concern was that his big secret was out and he was about to get rumbled.

[Perdita]

Ok..lets go back to May and Stella.. clearly both unwell but they did acts of evil.. I don't see how steven is any different...

This relapse happened because Steven went off his meds which he shouldn't have done. I can't like Stella because she abused Ben and Ben was a child. These things are complex. I have never ever condoned anyone's wrong actions - I sympathise with some but not others for a multitude of reasons. Janine for example I was very slightly sorry for at Frank's funeral but otherwise no because she had so many chances - from Terry, Billy etc and just wasted them - I am sure Steven would have been glad to have half the chances Janine did. Look with some there are qualities that still make ome people slightly sorry for them.

Sean for instance. I hated his bullying of Gus and with Sean he was going to kill Gus because he was insane but he did not do it in front of Stacey. Sean has some redeeming qualities;

He does not bully or show violence toward women
He truly loved Tanya
He genuinely loves Stacey.

So, though i can dislike him at times when he does wrong and be sorry for him at times when he shows he is not evil he still has those redeeming qualities. With Steven he is part of the Beale family whatever he has done. He is not a stranger like Stella. I know what he tries to do to Pat is shiocking - I did squirm a bit but on the other hand he has never shown any kind of violence towards anyone, least of all women. He may sometimes be unable to control his anger like when he trashed his on stall but he was in shock when he witnessed Pat's accident. He ignored both Lucy and Ian's calls and sat on the bench, shaking. It is true that when he thought Pat was a danger to him....but remember he was off his meds and unwell - not an excuse but a reason. With May I have sympathy because she is infertile and basically I have slightly more empathy with her. May, Steven and Sean do not hurt children - one redeeming feature.
There are very few people I actually hate and mainly because they have no good qualities. With Stella there was no good quality. Trevor and Craig I had to hate because Trevor was an abusive person and Craig was a psychopath. Both were strangers, not a member of a family in the square. It was wrong of Steven to lie to Lucy but I do not believe that he would actually hurt her. We will have to agree to dffer on this. By ther way that is the reason partly that I have not posted here that much. I have still been reading these boards. I just chose to post only on the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread until I agreed with what you said about Steven not hating Ian but being possessive of him.

I have highlighted the points that struck me most. It seems you just excuse Steven's behaviour because he is off his medication. Well, why is nobody picking up on that and asking him whether he is or not? Why do you not make the excuse for all the other creeps, that they should go on medication? Stella, Trevor, Craig you hate because they were abusive and psychopaths, Because Sean, who is insane in your opinion does not kill an innocent guy in front of his sister, this gives him some redeeming qualities? I can't follow your way of thinking, to me they were/are all evil ( from Wikipedia :Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish.), seems a good enough description to me for all of them. And with regards to having chances like Janine did - he was put up by his beloved Nan, was given a job on the market stall, in the fish and chip shop etc, etc. What more could he have wanted?

[kayuqtuq]

Had Roxy been drinking?

No, she turned around to say something to Ben, so she couldn't see where she was going. She'd probably be done for driving without due care and attention, although if Pat ran out into the road without looking she should take a share of the blame for the accident.

Carol

[Siobhan]

I have highlighted the points that struck me most. It seems you just excuse Steven's behaviour because he is off his medication. Well, why is nobody picking up on that and asking him whether he is or not? Why do you not make the excuse for all the other creeps, that they should go on medication? Stella, Trevor, Craig you hate because they were abusive and psychopaths, Because Sean, who is insane in your opinion does not kill an innocent guy in front of his sister, this gives him some redeeming qualities? I can't follow your way of thinking, to me they were/are all evil ( from Wikipedia :Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish.), seems a good enough description to me for all of them. And with regards to having chances like Janine did - he was put up by his beloved Nan, was given a job on the market stall, in the fish and chip shop etc, etc. What more could he have wanted?

what is selfish about the whole thing is that he flushed his medication in front of Pat and she told him not to but he insisted he was better. You are 100% right about the chances he was given.. Ian and Jane forgave him and took him in, gave him a job.. Considering what he put Ian through, he is luck to get that chance.. Remember Steven was the one to go to N. Zealand and stay there and Steven now wants Ian back and to himself... I find no redeeming quality in him at all.. He has a job, a family who care for him, he did have a girlfriend who supported him and yet he has thrown all this away, including hurting the one person who would do anything for him and protect him Nana Pat!!!

[parkerman]

I find no redeeming quality in him at all...

That's because he has no redeeming qualities. Everything he does is premeditated. He does not act on the spur of the moment. He lies and cheats and now even stoops to murder. You can't just explain this away by saying he is not on his medication. As others have said before he is pure evil.

[StarsOfCCTV]

Had Roxy been drinking?

No, she turned around to say something to Ben, so she couldn't see where she was going. She'd probably be done for driving without due care and attention, although if Pat ran out into the road without looking she should take a share of the blame for the accident.

Carol

She wasn't looking where she was going but also she was probably still hungover from the night before 1 unit of alcohol takes one hour to be broken down by the liver and she drinks a lot...so Roxy could still be over the limit even if it's the next day...