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I hope not. I don't want him to try and do himself in again. I hope Lucy admits to giving him Craig's gun. I know he won't betray her but it just isn't fair that he should bear all the blame. He was mosrtly but not fully to blame.Originally Posted by Santa baby
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Why did he take the gun to the towerblock? Did someone make him do it? Why did he take the gun out of his bag?
Pinkbanana (11-12-2007)
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I know, people are banging on about Lucy giving him the gun (which she did cause she thought she could trust him to dispose of it!). But he was the one who decided to keep it, carry it and have it on that fateful night in the tower block!!! Surely, he is therefore responsible for what happened, and 99% of the blame lies with him, NOT Lucy!!!
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He took the gun out of his bag, not to use it but to stop Ian calling the police. I think anyone - sane or insane - would go to any lengths to stop the police being called on them. That is a natural reaction. He was going to hand it in but the policeman confused him by asking all those questions about Ian and he got agitated so he ended up keeping it. If he took it it was not to use it against anyone - he had no fixed plan at that point other than to let Ian out and end his charade. He pobably wanted to kill himself with it which is what he tried to do and failed. Maybe nobody made him to it but he was ill and messed up and didn't really know what he was doing. He is mostly but not fully to blame. I respect your view but I stand by my own that it was unfortunate that the gun ended up with him since he never had or intended to use one until Lucy happened to give it to him and he is not betraying Lucy which is very noble of him.
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Again, if he had no intention of using it, why did he have it on him!!!He took the gun out of his bag, not to use it but to stop Ian calling the police. I think anyone - sane or insane - would go to any lengths to stop the police being called on them. That is a natural reaction. He was going to hand it in but the policeman confused him by asking all those questions about Ian and he got agitated so he ended up keeping it. If he took it it was not to use it against anyone - he had no fixed plan at that point other than to let Ian out and end his charade. He pobably wanted to kill himself with it which is what he tried to do and failed. Maybe nobody made him to it but he was ill and messed up and didn't really know what he was doing. He is mostly but not fully to blame. I respect your view but I stand by my own that it was unfortunate that the gun ended up with him since he never had or intended to use one until Lucy happened to give it to him and he is not betraying Lucy which is very noble of him.
Anyone sane would have done the same thing?! Anyone sane would not have locked up a man for nearly two weeks in a flat, whilst pretending to his sister that he was their dead mum!
Joanne (11-12-2007)
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Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. Of course a sane person would not stalk or kidnap someone. Lucy and Steven both agreed that his behaviour was screwed and it was - photos to make it look as thoughCindy was alive, locking Ian up etc - of course those actions were not done by someone in their right mind. I was just saying that you don't have to be insane to stop someone calling the police because anyone would stop someone handing them over to the police.
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[QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;545755]Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. QUOTE]
A sane person would not stop someone with a gun! That was your reasoning why he had the gun with him!!!
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[quote=Nigel the Christmas Turkey;545756]I agree that a sane person would not pull out a gun. Look - I'll elaborate. He was ill and messed up. The police scared him with those questions about Ian. He ended up keeping the gun. He couldn't really give it back to Lucy because she gave it to him to get rid of. He put it in his bag - hence his panic when Pat took his bag. Ok. He puts the gun in his bag. He wants to hand it into the police but then bottles it. The gun remains in the bag. He's probably not thinking about it much after that. He's more preoccupied with guilt over having locked up Ian etc.
He spontaneously decides to confess/show Lucy what he did. He can't risk anyone discovering the gun just as Luy couldn't risk it which is why she kept hiding it. To prevent someone finding it he has to keep it in his bag. Obviously he has to take his bag with him or he can't pay for train tickets etc. He's probably not thinking about the gun all the time he is inthe train etc - more worried that he'll lose Lucy and that she'll hate him. He tells Ian it is over and that he's come to let him go. Ian still wants to call the police. Steven tries to talk him out of it - "It all got out of hand...I never meant...." Ian is adamant. Steven is messed up and obviously not right in the head. He thinks of the gun and points it at Ian who gives the pone to Lucy. He puts the gun down when its obvious he's scarting his little half sister whom he genuinely loves.
He says it is not safe for her to go outside in the dark onher own but Ian tells her to wait in the kitchen. He puts the gun away. Then no gun - He and Ian talk etc but it falls out of his bag when Jane comes in and punches him. He does pick it up and put it in his lap - probably considering suicide but still he never pointed it at any of the others. Jane goads him and he decides to kill himself - then of course all four struggle, gun is accidentally fired etc. Ok Steven took the gun to the flat but I don't think he did that consiously and he had no intention of using it. He pulled it out on the spur of the moment to stop Ian calling the police because he was messed up. He thought - his mum is dead, his stepdad hates him and his real dad is neglecting him so he might as well end it by commiting suicide when Jane gave him the idea.
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[quote=Lizzie Brookes;545758]Sorry, I find your post a bit patronising... I still think that if he had no intention of using the gun, he would have disposed of it and not taken it to the tower block. Lucy gave him the gun to dispose of. He didnt do that. Soooo he is responsible, and to blame for what happened to Jane, not Lucy. As far as she was concerned he had go rid of it!I agree that a sane person would not pull out a gun. Look - I'll elaborate. He was ill and messed up. The police scared him with those questions about Ian. He ended up keeping the gun. He couldn't really give it back to Lucy because she gave it to him to get rid of. He put it in his bag - hence his panic when Pat took his bag. Ok. He puts the gun in his bag. He wants to hand it into the police but then bottles it. The gun remains in the bag. He's probably not thinking about it much after that. He's more preoccupied with guilt over having locked up Ian etc.
He spontaneously decides to confess/show Lucy what he did. He can't risk anyone discovering the gun just as Luy couldn't risk it which is why she kept hiding it. To prevent someone finding it he has to keep it in his bag. Obviously he has to take his bag with him or he can't pay for train tickets etc. He's probably not thinking about the gun all the time he is inthe train etc - more worried that he'll lose Lucy and that she'll hate him. He tells Ian it is over and that he's come to let him go. Ian still wants to call the police. Steven tries to talk him out of it - "It all got out of hand...I never meant...." Ian is adamant. Steven is messed up and obviously not right in the head. He thinks of the gun and points it at Ian who gives the pone to Lucy. He puts the gun down when its obvious he's scarting his little half sister whom he genuinely loves.
He says it is not safe for her to go outside in the dark onher own but Ian tells her to wait in the kitchen. He puts the gun away. Then no gun - He and Ian talk etc but it falls out of his bag when Jane comes in and punches him. He does pick it up and put it in his lap - probably considering suicide but still he never pointed it at any of the others. Jane goads him and he decides to kill himself - then of course all four struggle, gun is accidentally fired etc. Ok Steven took the gun to the flat but I don't think he did that consiously and he had no intention of using it. He pulled it out on the spur of the moment to stop Ian calling the police because he was messed up. He thought - his mum is dead, his stepdad hates him and his real dad is neglecting him so he might as well end it by commiting suicide when Jane gave him the idea.
Last edited by Pinkbanana; 11-12-2007 at 22:59.
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Of course he's responsible. I don't buy into the notion that he wasn't conscious of having the gun on him either.
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