'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows' Discussion - No Spoilers

[Chloe O'brien]

Can I just add my pennies worth before Harry Potter fans start throwing things at me. I haven't read any of JK Rawlings books but I have seen the films and her eldest daughter attended the same primary school that my child attends. (how's that for a claim to fame). Anyway I believe that she will adapt the story simillar to LOTR as Harry will die but will be reunited with his parents. I can understand that she has become emotional as when she wrote the first HP story it was in a cafe and her child was in a buggy. Now look at her she is a millionaire.

[Abigail]

Thanks to everyone that has posted the date in here. I was a bit confused over when it was out; I saw one sign that said the 20th and another the 21st.

Check out www.mugglenet.com for a countdown to the book and the film. Three days to the film and Thirteen days to the book. I must get my skates on and get reading books five and six.

I was thinking today about the horcrux thing. I'll put this in spoilers in case anybody doesn't want to read it.

Spoiler:

A lot of people on the web have been talking about the horcrux's and if Harry is one. He can't be a horcrux because Voldy lost his powers immediately after the curse failed, therefore he wouldn't have the time or the power to create one in harry. Something has just come to me whilst writing this; how did Voldy escape for the Potter's house?

[Kim]

I've read all of the books. I loved book 6 and can't wait to see what happens next. I hadn't read 5 when 6 came out, but it didn't take me long to catch up. Part of me doesn't want to read the end.

Thanks for the link.

[Luna]

JK Rowling drafted the last chapter of the final book several years ago to give herself an ending to work towards-last week she revealed one of the last word of the final chapter of the book would be 'scar'.



It's very likely that this refers to the lightning-shaped scar on Harry's forehead-but doesn't help readers work out whether he's alive or dead.



However, she HAS confirmed that two major characters will die at the end of the final book.



"There are deaths, more deaths coming," she said.



"A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil. They go for the main characters."



Rowling has toyed with the idea of killing off her hero so no other authors can write unofficial sequels to the original seven Potter books.



She once joked: "I can completely understand an author who thinks, ‘Well, I'm going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels.'"



It's possible that Harry himself is one of the six Horcruxes created by Voldemort to make him immortal-meaning that in order to finish off He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, Harry will have to kill himself.



But as you'll see below, we don't buy this theory-because we've worked out what the remaining Horcruxes are.



The real question here is, would JK Rowling really want to upset her legions of fans by killing off a character beloved to millions?



We think not. Harry's just too beloved of too many readers to be disposed of in such a way.



But it IS possible that he'll lose his magical abilities after Voldemort is gotten rid of and the prophesy is fulfilled-neatly preventing any unofficial sequels without having to butcher the poor lad.



So which main character is for the chop?



We think the smart money is on Snape, who will die after Voldemort learns that he played a key role in the conspiracy against him-read more about this theory below.



Who's the second casualty? How about Hagrid-why not.



MYSTERY TWO: WHO OR WHAT ARE THE DEATHLY HALLOWS?




SINCE the title was revealed in December last year, fan speculation has raged over its meaning-and what the Deathly Hallows might be.

JK Rowling has already said: "Any clarification of the meaning of ‘Hallows' would give away too much of the story."



The dictionary isn't much help, as to ‘hallow' something is to make it holy or pure. The word is most commonly used today in Halloween and dates from the days when it was still a religious festival.



However, foreign editions of the book have slightly different titles-also created by Rowling-which shed some more light on the matter.



The Swedish title is "Harry Potter and the Relics of Death", and the Japanese title is "Harry Potter and the Secret Treasure of Death."



So it's very likely that the Deathly Hallows are a collection of special treasure items.



This fits with the plot at the end of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Harry now has to track down four treasure items known as Horcruxes, each of which contain a part of Voldemort's soul.



More clues can be found on the cover to the children's edition. The illustration shows Harry, Ron and Hermione falling away from or onto a massive treasure trove.



Gripping Harry's right shoulder is a spindly grey hand, possibly belonging to Kreacher, the Black family's House Elf-who Rowling has revealed plays a key role in the seventh book.



In the creature's other hand is a silver sword with a red gemstone mounted on the hilt. This blade perfectly matches the description of Godric Gryffindor's sword in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.



In Arthurian legend, there were four artifacts known as the Holy Grail Hallows: a sword, a spear, a plate and the Holy Grail.



And JK Rowling has already mentioned Gryffindor's sword, Slytherin's Locket and Hufflepuff's cup as three key artifacts in the Potter books.



Could it be that there is a spear-like item belonging to the fourth Hogwarts founder Rowena Ravenclaw-and that these four items are the Deathly Hallows Harry must locate to kill Voldemort once and for all?



MYSTERY THREE: IS SNAPE GOOD OR EVIL?




SEVERUS Snape is the sinister Hogwarts teacher who killed Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.



Since Harry's first day at Hogwarts, he's never trusted Snape-who has links to the Death Eaters and Lord Voldemort himself.



But we think that the final book will reveal Snape to have actually been on Harry's side all along-and he'll make the ultimate sacrifice to enable him to fulfill his destiny.



Dig out your copy of Half-Blood Prince and look again at the scene where Snape tops Dumbledore.



The wise old headmaster is described as "pleading" with Snape-but he NEVER explicitly pleads for his life. Could he be pleading with Snape to go through with his mission and kill him instead?



The events that follow-Harry being hit with a deadly curse, Snape raging after Harry calls him a coward-are all ambiguous enough



Earlier in book six, Hagrid overhears Snape telling Dumbledore that he can't cope any more and that perhaps the Hogwarts headmaster is asking too much of him.



Harry assumes that this means Snape is cracking and will betray the Order of the Phoenix.



But the Potter books are packed with overheard conversations where someone gets the wrong end of the stick-and there's no reason to think that this one is any different.



We reckon that Snape's apparent ultimate act of evil-killing Dumbledore-was actually part of a greater plan that HINDERED rather than helped Voldemort.



Wouldn't Snape tell Dumbledore that he thought he was asking too much of him if the headmaster ordered him to kill him? It's certainly possible.



Another important clue was revealed in an interview given by JK Rowling when she was quizzed about a "redemptive pattern" to Snape's behaviour.



She blustered: "He, um, there's so much I wish I could say to you, and I can't because it would ruin.



"I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book Seven.



"That's all I'm going to say."



If Snape is going to redeem himself in an incredible way, it's not too hard to imagine him making the ultimate sacrifice to allow Harry to finish Voldemort once and for all.



Snape is better informed about the Dark Lord's darkest secrets than virtually anyone else in the books.



What better final twist could there be than Snape finally opting to side with Harry-even if it means losing his own life?



And let's not forget the most important thing in Snape's favour: Dumbledore trusted him. As Lupin says: "It comes down to whether or not you trust Dumbledore's judgement. I do; therefore, I trust Severus."



Dumbledore has never made a bad call throughout the first six books-and he's not about to be proven wrong in the seventh.



Snape's a goodie and he's going to die saving Harry's life. Trust us on this one.



MYSTERY FOUR: IS DUMBLEDORE REALLY DEAD?




JK Rowling has always been at great pains to stress that, even in the wizarding world, when people die they stay dead.

"You can't reverse death-that's a given. Without it, the plot would fall apart," she said in an interview way back in 2000.



"Though in Book Seven you'll see just how close you can get to the dead."



Rowling clarified that "Dumbledore is definitely dead" when asked by Sir Salman Rushdie.



However, on the set of the Order of the Phoenix film, she remarked to Daniel Radcliffe: "Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble."



When Daniel asked "But isn't he dead?" she clarified, "Well, yeah, but it's more complex."



Strictly speaking, then, Dumbledore is really dead and will stay that way.



But in Harry Potter there are plenty ways for the dead to communicate with the living-as ghosts, or living paintings, for example-so it's very likely he'll be making an Obi-Wan Kenobi-style return to help Harry out.



Back at the end of Goblet of Fire, Dumbledore had a "gleam of triumph" in his eyes when he heard that Voldemort had used Harry's blood to resurrect himself.



We've still not exactly found out why this is-but rest assured it will be a key part of Voldemort's eventual undoing.

[Luna]

MYSTERY FIVE: WHO STOLE THE HORCRUX?




AT the end of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, a mysterious note signed ‘R.A.B.' tells how one of Voldemort's Horcruxes-objects containing his soul-has been stolen and replaced with a fake.

R.A.B's identity isn't known, but it's very likely that he will be Regulus Black-the younger brother of Sirius Black, the Prisoner of Azkaban.



Regulus was a Death Eater-one of Voldemort's followers-who tried to turn against his master at the 11th hour.



The translator of the Portuguese Harry Potter books said that Rowling told her R.A.B. was a male called Regulus Arcturus Black during a discussion about translation.



And Rowling has already said in an interview that Regulus Black is "a fine guess" for R.A.B.'s identity.



Regulus has so far not been a major character in the Harry Potter series.



But despite being mentioned only once in the first five books, his name crops up three times in book six-suggesting he is about to play a much bigger role.



MYSTERY SIX: WHAT IS AUNT PETUNIA'S SECRET?




HARRY'S unpleasant Aunt Petunia has always played a lowly role in the Potter books-but there are big things in store for her in the next book.

Rowling said back in 1999 that a non-magical character will perform magic in "desperate circumstances"-but this hasn't happened in any of the first six.



And at the 2004 Edinburgh Book Festival, she mentioned that something more would be revealed about Petunia Dursley in future.



"There is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye," she teased. "She is not a squib (a person of wizarding heritage who lacks magical ability), although that is a very good guess.



"Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet."



However, in August last year, she stressed that Aunt Petunia will NOT perform magic.



Rowling has never fibbed about what's coming up in the next Potter book, but she has been deliberately misleading before.



Is it possible she'll be used as a conduit by Dumbledore-who wrote Petunia a letter before he died?



Or is it possible her son Dudley has inherited some magical ability down the family bloodline and is just a late-bloomer?



Either way, we reckon there is still a partularly important skeleton in the Dursley family closet that not even the odious Uncle Vernon is aware of.



MYSTERY SEVEN: WILL RON AND HERMIONE GET TOGETHER?




THE short answer is yes. Rowling said she was surprised that Prisoner of Azkaban director Alfonso Cuaron had put things into the movie that, "without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books."

The only vaguely important addition Cuaron made was to add a splash of simmering pre-sexual tension between Ron and Hermione, which wasn't in the book.



The Harry Potter books have never been big on romance so don't expect any long, drawn-out lovey-dovey stuff.



A chaste kiss in a Hogwarts corridor is about all we'll get-but it'll definitely be in there.

[Jojo]

Is the final word still scar then as I thought it was said in the Jonathan Ross interview that it wasn't...

Thanks for those bits though - its just getting me more excited for the book release!!!

[Abigail]

Is the final word still scar then as I thought it was said in the Jonathan Ross interview that it wasn't...

Thanks for those bits though - its just getting me more excited for the book release!!!

Nope, its not scar. This is the interview with Jonathon Ross

[Jojo]

Is the final word still scar then as I thought it was said in the Jonathan Ross interview that it wasn't...

Thanks for those bits though - its just getting me more excited for the book release!!!

Nope, its not scar. This is the interview with Jonathon Ross

Cheers JB - I thought I'd seen that it wasn't scar, but Luna's post still mentioned it as being the final word, so I was confuzzled (which isn't hard these days )

[Abigail]

I'm looking for the thread where people are writing the last chapter of Deathly Hallows. I can't find it anywhere. Can anyone help me?

(I didn't think this required a seperate thread so I thought I'd bung it in here and see if anyone can help.)

[Luna]

I'm looking for the thread where people are writing the last chapter of Deathly Hallows. I can't find it anywhere. Can anyone help me?

(I didn't think this required a seperate thread so I thought I'd bung it in here and see if anyone can help.)

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