Maybe she seems to have plenty work anyways in the laundrette and also for Janine as a cleanerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
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Maybe she seems to have plenty work anyways in the laundrette and also for Janine as a cleanerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
no one living in the square ever has to work elsewhere do they? it must have a 100% employment record, onsite...I wish I could work in the road where I live....Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Plus plenty free childcare and babysisttersQuote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
There was only one villain in the piece. Syed. He should have been honest with his famly at least before asking virgin muslim girl to marry him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
because when faced with social and family pressure that is so easy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
For some gay people the pressure on not being gay is so intense it is safer and easier to live a lie...but eventually they have to betruthfull to themselves
Ok, here is the suitation.. you were confused about your sexuality and you find a girl you like but then meet a guy who makes you feel like you never felt before... on top of this, you have just been forgiven by your parents who you hadn't seen for years and you are back with your family who you deeply missed... do you then say "oh btw I am gay" when you know your parents will never ever speak to you again.. Syed did love Amira but Christian made him feel like he never felt before... what do you do??? it was a very difficult choice for Syed and as Parkerman had said all along, it wouldn't have been so bad if he knew he would have his parent blessing.... Syed lost his family cause he fell in love. I fail to see how he is the villian in all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
One villain? And you think that the Masoods should have no blame at all? They were right to ostracise Syed because he was gay were they? They were right to pressurise him to keep quiet about his gay affair? They were right to try and force him to stay with Amira even though he is gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
I understand all this. My problem is that his selfishness affects other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
Most Syed fans claim that he has always known that he is gay. Is there any evidence that he deeply missed his family? Is there any evidence that he really loved Amira? There is evidence that he knew that her father was very rich when he met her. What he should have done was NOT propose to her and finish with her. He should then have got together with Christian and left Walford. He wanted the best of all worlds and he ruined this girls life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
The Masoods were deceived by him untill minutes before the wedding. The ostricised him because of his general behaviour not because he was gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Yes, I do think Syed had an idea he was gay but because of his religion he surpressed those thoughts and feelings until he met Christian. And yes, he did love Amira, he said it time and time again plus he had said to Christian that he was so confused cause he loved them both... Plenty of evidence he missed his family..you only have to see the bond between himself and Tamwar to know that, plus even after he got with Christian he had tried so hard to be loved and wanted by his parents. We are looking at religion versus sexuality in this case.. do you go with your heart, i.e Christian or with your head i.e your religion.. He entered the sham marriage to please his parents, another indication that he didn't want them to be disgraced. It only end when he was found out by his Dad and then he told everyone. If he was never caught, I think he would have continued with the double life until Christian said enough is enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
They ostricised him cause he was gay.. his family was in disgrace over this and it was clear when Christian was badly beating and Mas walked past him. He is still not allowed in the house or family due to his sexuality, not his behaviour.. I think they could forgive deceit but not him been gay
I do agree he is very selfish and it does affect other people but my sole annoyance is the behaviour of the parents.. if you children are happy with their sexuality and it makes them happy, then this should be a very strong reason to support them.
If you think that then you have completely missed the whole point of this very long storyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
I prefer to be annoyed by the person who was so selfish that he ruined a girls life and bought disgrace on his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
What is the point then? That we should accept disgraceful behaviour just because someone is gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Zainab and Massod having an affair while she was married to Yusef also brought disgrace Syed isnt the only one
why is being gay disgraceful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
what syed did was cowardley because he wouldnt stand up and admit who he was, and would rather 'do the right thing' for a quiet life. Something hundreds of people do every year because of family pressure
He ruined her life cause in the end he was forced into marrying her... it could have ended before they got married and she would not have had the baby, would not have been disgraced by marrying a gay man and who forced him into it??? oh yeah.. his mother!!! he told her he wasn't going to do it but she forced him.. so if you look at it that way Zainab ruined 2 peoples lives...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
Nobody is saying you should accept disgraceful behaviour cause someone is gay but the actions of his parents have a lot to do with this too
The wedding was HIS idea. Zainab ddi not know about his deceit untill a few hours before the wedding and assumed that he would be able to do the honourable thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
Is David staying in Pat's room?
Derek ironing Amy's clothes :lol:
I know that and it is what I have said before..he did love Amira and he was mixed up with his sexuality and losing his family.. When Zainab found out they went to a room together and Syed said that he was not going through with it cause he loved Christian and if I remember rightly it was Zainab that told him to forget about Christian and marry Amira.. So Syed was going to do the honourable thing and NOT marry Amira...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
I thought it looked like pats room at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
yeap it is a bit. but not if you compare it to when ee began in 85 when sue and ali had the kaff. greasy spoon it was!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
The honourable thing would have been not to propose to the girl or even to break it off before his parents had shelled out thousands on his fancy wedding. Would he have called it off if Zainab hadn't found out....Prorably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
NB....Please don't get the idea that I don't like Syed:)
tonight's ee should be a cracker. Aunty has promised a bit extra at the end of the credits and has said for ee fans to stay tuned. is this to stop you turning over to the other side? naughty. :D
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Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
With the NB, no probs.. I am actually enjoying discussing this with someone with opposing view...
Yes it would have been better to call it off from the start but I will go back to my old quote, he loved Amira, he was confused about his feeling for Christian and his religion played a lot in it too... He would have had to tell his parent why he called it off and risked losing them.. they wanted grandkids, they wanted him to be a respectable muslim so I personally think he married to please them, not himself... If his parents had been a bit more understand and accepting of his sexuality, this would never have been a problem.. he needed their support and failed to get it and is still failing no matter how much he tries to make it up to them now
That's exactly it, Shiv.
The point of this storyline is to show how prejudice can wreck lives. The Masoods are prejudiced against gays because the Qu'ran says they should be. They had a choice whether to support their son or worry about their peers and the thought that having a gay son would bring shame on them. They chose to ostracise their son and give in to prejudice. If she was a loving mother, Zainab would have supported Syed in calling off the wedding however much it cost and however late in the day. Remember Arthur and Michelle and Kevin and Sophie come to that. Parents should want what is best for their children not abandon them - or worse, make them do something that could completely ruin their lives - because of their religion or the worry that their friends will having nothing to do with them any more. What sort of friends would they be anyway? Syed has been caught in the middle of love and respect for his parents on the one hand and his true feelings on the other. He has been through months of utter turmoil. Out of all of them he has to be the one you feel most sorry for.
He clearly did not love Amira as a potential sexual partner. You are suggesting that he did not know he was gay until he met Christian and I do not believe this to be true. He could have claled it off by telling his parents that he no longer loved her and this would have been more or less the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
He had the option of being honest from them from the start. By being deceitful he didn't give them the chance to support him properly. Masood never knew about it till some time after the wedding and because Zainab found out about it far too late, she was not in a position to give rational advice.Quote:
they wanted grandkids, they wanted him to be a respectable muslim so I personally think he married to please them, not himself... If his parents had been a bit more understand and accepting of his sexuality, this would never have been a problem.. he needed their support and failed to get it and is still failing no matter how much he tries to make it up to them now
REspect works both ways. You are not deceitful with people you are supposed to respect. I feel sure that they took into consideration all the other times his conduct had let them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
As a muslim he would have been brought up to think if you are gay then you are a bad person and a disgrace.. Yes he admitted to Christian there was on other guy but he was in total conflict. For him, Amira was a way to show everyone that he was not gay, he was in turmoil and didn't know how he should feel.. heart and head conflict. You saw Zainab reaction to Christian when she found out he was gay, Syed saw this so how do you think he felt??? he thought "I am going to be treated the same way".. the only person who showed him any support was Tamwar.. As a parent your main concern should be to see your children happy.. After she found out, she could see Syed was unhappy but still didn't support him then... She was that ashamed of him, she couldn't even discuss this with her husband.. He has been out for 2 years now and has shown he is a good person but still Mas treats him with no respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
If we ignore the fact that he was previously ostricised because he stole off his own family, I accept that Syed has had to make some difficult decisions. However, I would have prefered him to have worked through his problems without wrecking someone elses life. As a 'Good Muslim' he must have known what he was doing to Amira. If he had ben open and honest from the start it would have been difficult. However, his difficulties with his parents would not have lasted, as proved by his current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
Syed is only back living at home because Amira and the baby is with him, do you think if he was with Christian they Massods would have them roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
Syed wanted his mother Zainab to stop the wedding but she made him marry Amira - Syed was a scared person didnt he even try and commit suicide over it at some stage
Anyways back to the show at present and I think Carol should follow her heart and go with David
I guess we will never know what would have happened if he had been honest from the start but the whole storyline was about been gay and a muslim and the conflicts and disgrace it brings... It surprised me the reaction that his family gave him considering at one stage when Tam was doing standup, his mother joked about him been gay like she accepted that... I think as Syed was the first born,he had more to live up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
As a "Good Muslim" he would know that homosexuality is a sin. How do you think that made him feel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
He could have stopped it himself at any stage. He did not need Mommy's permisssion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I think Carol likes being in EEQuote:
Anyways back to the show at present and I think Carol should follow her heart and go with David
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As a "Good Muslim" he would know that homosexuality is a sin. How do you think that made him feel?
As a Good Muslim he would know that homosexual sex was a sin, even though he did it before he met Christian. Homosexual feelings ( which are beyond his control) would not be a sin.
I suspect that many muslims in his situation opt for celibacy.
You can't have your cake and eat it. IMO his choices were to be a celibate muslim or to leave the square with Christian and have a secular lifestyle.
EastEnders is slightly longer tonight: 8pm-8.40pm. Pat's funeral:(
Syed is a wuss he wanted Zainab to stop the wedding both of them should have stopped the weddingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
Zainab, Syed, Mas and Amira are all at fault now lets move on please
And keep watching after the credits have rolled ... a little extra will be shownQuote:
Originally Posted by megan999
It didn't need both of them. He could have cancelled it wekks before.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
WAs Amira at fault for allowing herself to be deceived?Quote:
Zainab, Syed, Mas and Amira are all at fault
For certain.Quote:
now lets move on please
some sons do... mother is everything...
you learn from your parents how to treat people and his parents showed him been gay is bad but been a "good muslim" and having grandkids is good
You have no idea how pernicious religion can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
I can only speak from my own experience and I have not had a problem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I was always taught that honesty is the best policy
This is a fictional story, I know it is meant to reflect real life but one must allow for for creative script writing
we all know it is fiction.. this is just a good healthy debate on merit of honesty, parents actions and reactions and sexuality V religion... Eastenders..it has everyone talking