me too, shes not worth watching moaning minnie
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me too, shes not worth watching moaning minnie
Not sure why a nice girl or a fiesty but normalQuote:
Originally Posted by owenlee4me
girl would be interested in David.The character
is now nearly 24 but his appearance, facial
expressions etc are like someone a decade
younger who thinks theyve been clever at the
expense of the grown-ups.
Although he has shown genuine affection for
Max &Lily -his behaviour is repititiously bad-
if not evil.But there is no real retribution,
or investigation into reasons for behaviour
or treatment sought for whatever condition
is causing behaviour and delaying development.
Probably well beyond scope of SWs- seeing the
bodge theyve made(so far) of Steves depression.!
So to me-it would be unbelievable that a girl
of his age who wasnt needy and didnt have a
lot of problems would become involved with
him.Hes not even bad in the"right" way to
attract girls who like a bit of excitement before
they settle down etc.
Love it!! :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Very good point there MM. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
wEll he had a fling with Tina and she was fiesty but not bad or into drugs, and he could meet someone who stands upto him and make him "grow up"!
Yep, lets keep misery moaning minnie away, and bring in a gutsy lass, typical northern would be good, not afraid of Misery face and is actually in work (not in the street!!) dare I say it, she may even have a decent job, now that would upset, the bar maids, grocers assistants, factory lassess, in fact any one who works conveniently on the "street".
Would be great to see DAvid gloating with his "money bag" catch, think of how he would be then!!!
wEll he had a fling with Tina and she was fiesty but not bad or into drugs, and he could meet someone who stands upto him and make him "grow up"!
Yep, lets keep misery moaning minnie away, and bring in a gutsy lass, typical northern would be good, not afraid of Misery face and is actually in work (not in the street!!) dare I say it, she may even have a decent job, now that would upset, the bar maids, grocers assistants, factory lassess, in fact any one who works conveniently on the "street".
Would be great to see DAvid gloating with his "money bag" catch, think of how he would be then!!!
Not being female I wouldn't know whether he's fanciable or not but I do think he's very funny. He delivers some great one liners and his facial expressions are priceless at times. Personally, I love him - in a platonic way of course.
Beauty and fanciable is in the eye of the beholder.. I have always liked David, even when he was a brat .. I think he has developed into a mature adult, taking on Max as his own and being a good dad to him and Lily and forgiving Kylie for her .. indiscretion, which I don't think was an easy thing to do. And he has a good sense of humour, I like him and I am sorry that the scriptwriters have to cause heartbreak because his onscreen wife goes on maternity leave in real life and scriptwriters rarely handle it the right way in my opinion.
I agree with general.comments about Tina.Quote:
Originally Posted by owenlee4me
I liked the character until unbelievable
affair with Peter - which.was a plot device.
Davids relationship with Tina was years ago
when he was younger. My main point is that
instead of "maturing" his behaviour/silly facial
expressions is still extremely juvenile and in
some ways getting worse and will probably
continue to do so- unnoticed by his family.
I think that any girl with spirit and money would
wsnt a lot more for her time& money than David
and his boring repetitive behaviour. If she
did want a 'challenge" could find much more
interesting( in all ways) men.!
I think the only way he could progress is not
with a new girlfriend- but after medical
analysis and treatment.
I agree with general.comments about Tina.Quote:
Originally Posted by owenlee4me
I liked the character until unbelievable
affair with Peter - which.was a plot device.
Davids relationship with Tina was years ago
when he was younger. My main point is that
instead of "maturing" his behaviour/silly facial
expressions is still extremely juvenile and in
some ways getting worse and will probably
continue to do so- unnoticed by his family.
I think that any girl with spirit and money would
wsnt a lot more for her time& money than David
and his boring repetitive behaviour. If she
did want a 'challenge" could find much more
interesting( in all ways) men.!
I think the only way he could progress is not
with a new girlfriend- but after medical
analysis and treatment.
Aye, I know what you mean, I find I chuckle at him!
I hope no one thought I was commenting on David's looks. The thought never entered my head to be honest. I don't think he's a catch down to his behaviour, which MaidMarian describes very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I've loved the character since the Demon David days and he nearly always makes me laugh. I'm glad that the demon still emerges from time to time as he's very entertaining, though I agree he should have been punished more over the years.
He is an excellent father, a fact which I'm sure surprised many viewers, including me. :eek:
I did say in my original post that David did showQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
genuine affection for Max & Lily . I cant disagree
with your comments apart from forgiving Kylie
which I think.was more about control.
But David is such an erratic person and when
tbings dont suit flies into a violent tantrum
and dont think he can compartmentlise.
So that when something happens in the future
that upsets him- not caused by the children:
they could be innocent victims of his anger
Cases in papers/tv where parents
seem loving but a trigger angers them and
children suffer- often horrendously.
I agree they could have written Kylie out
without the drugs scenario. But think
Maxs father would have re-appeared for
drama and to cause another David outburst
which some viewers like !
Kylie Platt will face her most challenging Christmas yet as she leaves Weatherfield when her two worlds collide.
Kylie's ongoing drug storyline will culminate in a dramatic Christmas Day episode when David (Jack P Shepherd) catches Callum at their house having given Kylie a bag of speed.
As Kylie's family life implodes, the dramatic turn of events paves the way for a temporary exit for the character due to Paula Lane's pregnancy.
Here, Paula chats about Kylie's nightmare Christmas, what fans can expect from the episodes and how David will cope in the wake of her departure.
As Christmas week approaches, how is Kylie coping?
"She's actually doing okay on the week leading up to Christmas. It starts quite positively and I think Kylie's so keen to get things back to normal at home and between her and David. I think she wants to focus on having a proper family Christmas as the last two were awful! Kylie wants everything back on the straight
and narrow so she really tries to bury everything that's happened and rally round to make it really special for the kids. That's not to say she isn't struggling with her addiction, and Callum is still sniffing around so it's proving to be a big challenge for her to move on while he's piling on the pressure by being round every corner she seems to turn!"
How is Kylie's drug addiction at this point?
"She's very much still weaning herself off them. It was the worst thing imaginable for her when she was caught taking drugs in the pub by David and she absolutely knows that she's on thin ice with him. She knows that she has got to really pull herself together if she's to stand a chance of keeping the family together. But it's a real struggle for her, especially when Callum dangles the temptation in front of her all of the time. She's in the throes of an addiction but she's trying to bury it so she can piece her life back together."
Is life a constant battle between drugs, and her life with David and the kids?
"Well it definitely has been, and was, before David caught her. She knows which side her bread is buttered and there's no doubt about it that she knows she wants her life at home with David. But, as I said, she is in the throes of an addiction and it isn't easy to ignore. After David caught her though, she knew she had to knock it on the head so it's not really a case of drugs 'winning', she just knows that she has to change her ways and leave Callum and the drugs behind."
Can she not talk to David and ask for his help?
"It's forbidden territory I think - she almost doesn't want to remind him of what she's done, not that he could have forgotten. The main problem they have is a trust issue - it's going to be a big talking point between them. She needs David to trust her so she can move on from it."
Does she try and overcompensate with presents on Christmas Day?
"Yes, to an extent I think she tries to pull out all the stops so that everything is as perfect for the kids as possible. She does go on a bit of a shopping spree - it is a way of her overcompensating because she feels so guilty for nearly tearing the family apart again."
Is Kylie worried that seeing Callum will make things even worse?
"She's tried desperately to get rid of him, because seeing him is temptation enough to go backwards instead of forwards. There's a scene where he gets a bag of drugs out and she just rips them up. She's really proud of herself for that. She thinks she's shown him and that she's got him in his weak spot because it really angers him. Kylie hopes that this will mean she has one up on him and he might realise that she's serious about kicking her addiction. Unfortunately Callum has other ideas."
What goes through her mind when she spots Callum taking his car to the garage?
"She feels sick to the stomach. First of all she tells him to leave her alone; she's already told him to stay away and he's obviously not listening to her. He thinks that luring Kylie in with a big bag of drugs will be enough to tempt her so I do think he's quite shocked at how adamant she is that she doesn't want them. When he presents the drugs to her Kylie's quite facetious about it; she pretends that she's going in to kiss him so he thinks all his Christmases have come at once, but she rips his drugs up into the air instead."
Why has he come to the street?
"He wants Kylie back, 100%, and he thinks that if he can keep tempting her back to him by feeding her addiction then he'll get her back where he wants her. Callum's even told her that he's not even really bothered about Max, he just wants her. He has a very dark presence."
Is there any part of Kyle that has feelings for Callum? Or is it simply that he has been able to give her what she wants?
"I think they've got history, so there is probably a tiny spark there. But it's water under the bridge - she's married, she's got David and another child now. Kylie's got a career and her life was progressing quite nicely. When she weighs it up she knew exactly what was right for her and it took her so long to get there."
Can you talk us through the events of Christmas Day?
"They've had such a lovely Christmas Eve and Christmas Day morning is nice too before it takes a turn for the worst. David buys her a family bauble and she really does feel like things are slowly coming back together. She's so relieved to be with her family and she gets a bit choked. David and Gail go over to see Nick so Kylie is left at home to prepare the dinner. She comes down into the living room with Max and Callum's standing there. Kylie feels sick and she can't believe he's turned up not only on the Street but this time he's let himself into the house. She knows she has to get rid of him before David gets back so she goes into a blind panic. He refuses to leave and gets out a bag of drugs and offers them to her."
What happens when David walks in and catches her with Callum?
"The situation could not look any worse than it does when David comes into the house and catches them in the living room. Callum has the drugs right out there in Kylie's face so it looks as though she's asking for them and he's handing them to her. It's just really really bad timing. Kylie is absolutely devastated. David demands to know what's going on and Callum absolutely relishes the situation."
How does Kylie try and get out of it?
"She's almost done at that moment, she's resigned herself to the fact that she's just not destined to have her happy ending. Kylie's given up, she thinks everything she's ever thought about life letting you down has proved to be correct. Kylie knows there is no hope for her and that David will never believe her when she tells him that she didn't invite Callum to the house."
What prompts David and Callum to start fighting?
"Callum takes the whole situation in and really enjoys winding David up. He says to David, "Don't you just love her when she's angry," and keeps making little remarks that imply him and Kylie have been having an affair. He insinuates that he's been giving her drugs and that they've been seeing each other when he tells David he's been giving Kylie a lot more than just speed. David completely sees red."
Can you explain how Kylie leaves?
"I won't say too much but it's incredibly emotional and raw, and very, very sad. They manage to get rid of Callum but David is adamant that they are to have to the Christmas Day that they'd planned for the kids. He keeps her hanging on all day and she feels like the condemned man waiting to see how this will all pan out. It's excruciatingly painful for everyone involved."
How do the rest of the family react to everything?
"I think everyone is really unnerved by David's behaviour. Nobody knows what he's going to do next or how he's going to react. He's acting almost possessed and he's absolutely insistent on them all acting normally for the kids. It' unnerving."
We know she leaves David and the kids behind – how hard would it have been for her to do that?
"Gosh, absolutely heartbreaking. She'd be completely shattered. But I think Kylie has no self-worth and at this point thinks they would all be much better off without her."
How do you think David is going to cope without her?
"I hope I watch the episodes after Kylie's left and see him pining for Kylie! I don't want to be seeing him with a new girlfriend or wife that's for sure! (laughs). I'm not sure how he'll cope but I do have a feeling that he'll really struggle without her. They'd managed to reconcile after David found her with the drugs in the pub and it was a really tender moment, which makes Christmas Day even more heartbreaking when it all shatters into pieces."
Do you feel sorry for her?
"I do feel sorry for her, yes. I'm very protective over Kylie and I do think she has a good heart in there. She just seems to find herself drawn into trouble and I don't think she'll ever get past that. She wanted to make amends so much and have a nice Christmas but Callum refused to let her move on. It is really sad."
Are you pleased with your temporary exit?
"I really am. It's been incredibly hard work and it has had such a mixed reaction from the audience. Some viewers don't want to see a character that they love go down such a dark road. A lot of viewers are really sad to see her end up in this situation but in terms of drama it has been great to play."
When Kylie comes back, how do you think she will return?
"I think she's going to come back on the bones of her backside, but who knows!"
Will you be tuning into Coronation Street on Christmas Day?
"All being well, as long as I'm not in labour! We always watch it on Christmas Day so it will be good if we do get to watch it."
Do you have any new years resolutions?
"I'd like to chill out a lot more and not put so much pressure on myself. I'd like to be able to take a deep breath and roll with it."
Please grant me a christmas wish oh :angel: of christmas and keep Kylie out of corra! don't bring her back:(
she is same as MIchelle always twisting her face and moaning, what is it with these woman:searchme:
Thank goodness for JUlie and Mary, least they can bring some fun and laughter.
But for now, the episodes that feature these two moaning minnies, I happily skip:moonie:
I though Callum was interested in his son. Shocked that its Kylie he is after. Cannot see the attraction myself.
Is it not just to get her hooked for the drugs and a way of making money for Callum, he knows that deep down Kylie is weak!
As for attraction, totally agree with you, she's a neck scrag as we say!!
Is it not just to get her hooked for the drugs and a way of making money for Callum, he knows that deep down Kylie is weak!
As for attraction, totally agree with you, she's a neck scrag as we say!!
Coronation street should have David bringing up the kids on his own rather than have a life with Kylie. They will always live on the edge if they take her back. How many chances are you supposed to give here. There are kids involved who need stability.kids need stability ad security and feelings of being safe.
Not a particular Kylie fan but has been writtenQuote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
worse to facilitate exit.Up til then reputedly
viewers in general thought they were a reasonably
ok family
To have stability a child needs at least one stable
parent or carer and David is not a stable person
He does have affection for the children but they
need consistency as well whereas he is erratic and
tantrumy. David doesnt have enough self-control.to
compartmentalise.This may not have affected the
children yet.bu it would no doubt do so in real life
and then there would hand-wringing and why did no
one do anything.
Its all a matter of opinion( which is why Social Services
get a lot of crticism) wben theyve given parents benefit of
doubt too many times. Fortunately they are not real
life children in this situation.
Whatever happens to them it will be a result of SWs
whims/ competition over audience figures or actors
leaving/ taking breaks etc.No resemblence to
likelihood.in.real.life.
So we wait to see what way the story goes.!
Not a particular Kylie fan but has been writtenQuote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
worse to facilitate exit.Up til then reputedly
viewers in general thought they were a reasonably
ok family
To have stability a child needs at least one stable
parent or carer and David is not a stable person
He does have affection for the children but they
need consistency as well whereas he is erratic and
tantrumy. David doesnt have enough self-control.to
compartmentalise.This may not have affected the
children yet.bu it would no doubt do so in real life
and then there would hand-wringing and why did no
one do anything.
Its all a matter of opinion( which is why Social Services
get a lot of crticism) wben theyve given parents benefit of
doubt too many times. Fortunately they are not real
life children in this situation.
Whatever happens to them it will be a result of SWs
whims/ competition over audience figures or actors
leaving/ taking breaks etc.No resemblence to
likelihood.in.real.life.
So we wait to see what way the story goes.!
Agree David does have a history but he has changed in many ways and always seems to put the children first. He has been brilliant with Max since his diagnosis.
It was less than a year ago that he tried to kill Nick though! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
I don't think he set out to kill him though .. I think the argument in the car just sent David over the top, I don't think he ever meant to seriously hurt Nick let alone kill him
Im afraid we will have to disagree on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
There have been some recent improvements
in Davids behaviour in certain areas but this
has to be set against years of inexplicable
nastiness and evil ( still continuing )
against a lot of people-usually for no
other reason than things dont suit him.
Until it is established what has caused
this ingrained pattern of behaviour,
treatment received and his acceptance
that there is a problem- then his occasional
improvements dont mean he is safe to
have care of children - no matter how
genuine his affection .
It would be great to think everyone was
redeenable but it requires much more
consistent effort than is shown at the
moment.
Basically the producers are after increased
ratings and the saying that everyone in
Corrie will get a come uppance isnt true
with David.
My bottom line- where children are involved-
is you cant take chances.
in pu
Im afraid we will have to disagree on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
There have been some recent improvements
in Davids behaviour in certain areas but this
has to be set against years of inexplicable
nastiness and evil ( still continuing )
against a lot of people-usually for no
other reason than things dont suit him.
Until it is established what has caused
this ingrained pattern of behaviour,
treatment received and his acceptance
that there is a problem- then his occasional
improvements dont mean he is safe to
have care of children - no matter how
genuine his affection .
It would be great to think everyone was
redeenable but it requires much more
consistent effort than is shown at the
moment.
Basically the producers are after increased
ratings and the saying that everyone in
Corrie will get a come uppance isnt true
with David.
My bottom line- where children are involved-
is you cant take chances.
in pu
[QUOTE=Perdita;813486]I don't think he set out to kill him though .. I think the argument in the car just sent David over the top, I don't think he ever meant to seriously hurt Nick let alone kill him[/QUOTE
Not a legal expert but I akways thought no
meaning to kill someone but succeeding in
doing so just -
possibly reduced the charge from murder
to manslaughter.!!
Not a good recommendation for a parent.
[QUOTE=Perdita;813486]I don't think he set out to kill him though .. I think the argument in the car just sent David over the top, I don't think he ever meant to seriously hurt Nick let alone kill him[/QUOTE
Not a legal expert but I akways thought no
meaning to kill someone but succeeding in
doing so just -
possibly reduced the charge from murder
to manslaughter.!!
Not a good recommendation for a parent.
He didnt kill Nick - but was so irrational
at the time- its not possible to know what
he meant to do- including knowing what
he intended to.do himself
Which is one of my main reasons for
thinking he should not have care of children
- because the irrationality is frequent.
I'm glad that someone else agrees with me about David, Maid Marian! :) He's certainly been good to the kids recently, but I think Demon David's still there hiding beneath a very thin veneer of respectability.
I remember arguing about this at the time, but I'm certain that David intended to kill Nick. Here are my reasons:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
1. When the crash happened, just before grabbing hold of the wheel David very deliberately undid Nick's seatbelt. There's no other possible reason to do this other than to kill or seriously harm Nick. You can see it at 12.42 in the following video. It happens very quickly but I've paused it and it's definitely Nick's seatbelt he undoes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuZarBt9-zA
2, David was going to put a pillow over Nick's face (ie kill him) when the latter was close to regaining consciousness in the hospital, to prevent the truth getting out. It didn't happen only because they were disturbed.
3. David was accused time and time again by his family of attempting to kill Nick and he never once denied it. I was watching closely for a denial because I was so certain that David tried to kill Nick whilst most people were saying it was an accident.
Anyway, whatever people think of David's motives now, he was seriously dangerous during this storyline and it only happened a year ago. I'd leave my kids with Kylie over David any day!
Forgot about the pillow ... :o
It's easily done. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I think David always went off the rails when he was feeling really insecure and threatened. Maybe Max's dad Callum will push his buttons again which will bring Kylie back eventually ... I still think Dave and Kylie are well suited and can make this work ...
They should have a social services building in corrie by the sounds of it. I think Sally is one of the few good parents on the street despite her snobish behaviour she has been consistant with her kids throughout, Anna and Eileen ok too.
Very behind in episodes but just saw how horrible David was to kylie on Wednesdays episodes when she was reaching out for support
Not always easy to give support when you are scared and don't really understand what the other person is going through. David needs to get his head around Kylie being an addict and needs to get informed himself about what would be the best support for Kylie ... I would have dragged her to a doctor to get help, but that is too easy in soaps
Actually it's usually far too easy in soaps. They usually just walk into the doctor's and get seen right away. No need for appointments, no being told, "Sorry, can't do it today. Come back tomorrow." If only it was that easy in real life.....
But at least it shows them getting help ... might not be a realistic time frame in parts of UK (or everywhere in UK) but at least it might give good advice to viewers who are affected by the storyline ... as long as there is hope ....
Yes, I wasn't really disagreeing with the point you were making, i.e. that David should be doing more to help Kylie and maybe take her to the doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
It was a more general gripe I have about the way soaps in general seem to think that everything runs smoothly and you can just walk into the doctor's and voila she/he sees you right away or, like Tosh in Eastenders, put down a deposit in the morning and the flat's yours by the afternoon, no previous references, no bank check etc. etc.
However, yes, I agree with the point you were actually making.
Kylie never turned to drugs during all the stuff with Nick and her splitting with David but does now because Max needs to take medication for adhd, it is rushed for her exit storyline
Kylie looked obviously pregnant on the sofa in her white jumper so spoiled scenes for me.
Maybe it is the fact she had medication for Max that brought back her addiction ???Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j