How come Shrimpy (or whatever his name is) is getting lines? Justice for Winston I say!
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How come Shrimpy (or whatever his name is) is getting lines? Justice for Winston I say!
A very good epsidoe to end 2016.
Lee was breaking my heart, superb performance from Danny Boy. Sally Rogers was amazing. I miss her so much on our screens and I also miss the Bill. A crazy decision by itv to scrap the show, I never understood why they did this?
Back to EastEnders, Steve McFadden and Jake Wood nailed it and the end scene with Max was a nice twist, self harm. EastEnders goes out on a high for 2016, a shame it won't get high ratings. :(
I just hope the BBC keep hold of SOC and let his vision for the show run through and take no notice of Social Media.
I know the ratings recently put EastEnders as the third soap, but in terms of quality is a country mile ahead of Coronation Street. It makes a refreshing change that a soap is not bowing to the unintelligent.
Amen sister/brother* ! :bow: :clap: :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
* delete as applicable :p
It's going to be a hugely enjoyable episode tonight seeing That Mentally Disturbed Child Kidnapper (and murderer) die a slow, painful, lonely death. A feeling of immense satisfaction.
What happens mo if its a hoax???? What if its the other one, Essex. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mo Mouse
is it not pretty much confirmed both ronnie and roxy are dying just how is the mystery
That would be heartbreaking, ff. I'm not sure I could deal with it if she didn't die a painful death in a lonely, desolate place. It's got to happen though because Olive saw it in the cards.
well that was truly a pile of garbage exits no twist
will max get the blame for roxy drugs?
well that was truly a pile of garbage exits no twist
will max get the blame for roxy drugs?
Well I've watched it. Not sad, silly. Who runs about on their wedding night like that?
I suppose the thought was, if a loved one is drowning, you wouldn't think twice about jumping in and trying to save them.
The end was too heavy on the visuals and I couldn't make out what was going on .. I gather that the Roxy is looking for next years Panto gigs but will Ron be joining her?
Anywho no Hotel in the universe is going to have unlocked access to the roof and a swimming pool.
Lee, sorry mate, there are two types of mentally ill people, those that hurt themselves and those that hurt others, the fact you now want to hurt yourself dosent negate the fact you hurt others to get to that point. Ok Lee has fessed up to his crime, but isnt that more about releasing his guilt than actually caring about those that have suffered. I mean it is a double hit on his younger brother who he hurt while fighting with his sister in the lounge that time.
Mick has a mess on his hands there, hand him into the Police and he may hang himself in a cell on remand, not to do so leaves an unstable member in your family who has proved he will do anything to get himself out of a hole. Its a quandary I wouldn't want.
did roxy drown as she was drunk or high or both?
mick as jack's best man wtf they know each other how long
poor max was going to get lucky after how long :p
did roxy drown as she was drunk or high or both?
mick as jack's best man wtf they know each other how long
poor max was going to get lucky after how long :p
I think Roxy was just drunk. Because they showed us, her putting the bag back. Cold water plus alcohol = shock I would imagine.
It was defintely Max's fault however he did it. I hope he's banged up for a long time so that nice Ian and Jane can get on with their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Well that was dark, it would have been better if the details had not been spoiler released weeks back
Roxy and Sharon were wearing black, did they predict an unhappy ending :p
Abi and Whitney dancing together, they are friends again?
Who was it Danny was eyeing up, was it Louise?
Roxy could have had a heart attack from her drug use
Roxy might have hit her head on the bottom or the edge of the pool. She was drunk but I don't think she was coked up.
Splashy - yes Ronnie's dead too.
It's a real shame the ending was leaked, but I think from the way the last 20 minutes was filmed with them teasing us that a catastrophe was going to occur, coupled with Ronnie's "the day I take advice from you will be my last" to Glenda, there was enough foreshadowing that we'd have already guessed that they were going in the pool and probably not exiting it alive.
I really enjoyed the episode on the whole. The Ronnie/Roxy will they/won't they ever stop going round in circles was as annoying as ever (part of the reason they were axed I'm sure) but the rest was enjoyable and pretty tense towards the end. I did think the Lee/Mick stuff would have been better left for another episode though.
I'll miss the Mitchell sisters, and Roxy was right - it's the end of an era. I must admit to a tear in my eye at that last shot of them together in death. :crying: :D
A very well constructed episode, I loved the story telling of Cinderella, which was very apt, it was a brave decision by SOC to kill off both sisters. The ending was very clever and hit the spot. EastEnders is certainly firing on all cylinders right now.
I think my strongest memory of the episode (apart from the drowning itself) will be the Mitchell sisters back to their old joyous selves on the dance floor. What a pity for them they ever moved to miserable Albert Square where all the happiness was ground out of them. The Mitchells should have warned them never to step foot in Walford... :ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
how was cinderella apt, that has a happy ending for her and the prince or did i read a different cinders storyQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
i thought archie's ring might have played a part in their deaths
does glenda and danny know stacey is archie killer?
The spell wore off at midnight. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I guess Jack was the fairy godmother since it was him who waved his metaphorical magic wand :eek: that granted their wish of moving to Ongar together. :D
On a serious note, there's lots of parallels between Ronnie (a tragic figure abused by her family (Archie) who loses everything (Danielle and James) then finds fleeting happiness with her prince) and the many traditional versions of Cinderella stories that go back centuries. There were many references weaved into the episode - including Jack being referred to as Ronnie's handsome prince, the magical appearance of her carriage (the red car from Phil) and of course the breaking of the spell at midnight.
It was cleverly done and I must admit to not picking up on most of what I've mentioned until reading the views of other fans on the internet tonight.
I avoid spoilers so didnt see this coming, I found it very dark and confusing visually, especially at the end but then its not EEs fault that my peepers suck.
Loved the Grimm fairy tale reference although the owners of the Hotel may not thank them for that.
Also totally missed the Max and drugs bit!
stacey and michelle already clashing, add in max to their feud for clash of the fowlers
So did Roxy take drugs that night or not? Did Max supply the drugs? So confused.
Stacey should tell weird shorty hared Fowler to do one and if Martin dont like it he can go with her. A house guest does not tell you how long they are staying you tell them when the are leaving.
Honey was the only one really close to Ronnie, shame we didnt get her reaction, apart from Phil the others would be a bit more MEH about it.
Max just found the drugs in Roxy's bag. I don't think she had taken any that night.
Roxy took drugs at the Christmas traders do at Beales then left with Danny and Glenda, were they her suppliers?
This was all the night before the wedding
I think she might have already earlier that day took more before the wedding and was going to take more that night before Ronnie interrupted her with Max so the drugs could show up in her system
Jay was involved with her selling drugs but does he know she also took them
I think Max took the drugs for fear his prints were on them and also to prevent more bad news to Jack and Amy of Roxy's drug addiction
I am curious about what happens now to baby Matthew, will Charlie return for him or does Jack keep him? Could Glenda or Dot try for him?
Yes you must have :D :D :D However I do get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I enjoyed the aftermath episode, especially the scenes with Dot and Max. Scott Maslen was excellent, his grief was so raw and felt real. When Sharon told Phil was a real choker.
I thought the Michelle scenes with Stacey and Martin broke the tension and were well played, nice touches mentioning Pauline. I can remember the Christmas meals at number 45 when the children sat on different tables to the adults. If there was any niggles in the episode, I can never remember Michelle being domesticated and cooking, that is not Michelle and also she wasn't overly close to Pauline as I recall. However love the actress Jenna Russell playing Michelle. Stacey was funny tonight the faces she was pulling.
I am just loving SOC's EastEnders, don't think I have mentioned it yet. :p
I was relieved when Max eventually got rid of the cocaine because I was on the edge of my seat all through the episode that the police or Jack were going to catch him with it and somehow blame him for the sisters' deaths.
I thought that too, but since the drugs Max found were given so much attention in Monday's episode I'm now wondering if she'd done some earlier in the day? I don't know how long cocaine stays in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaz21
I disagree. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
I think the sudden deaths of two people who were so happy and in such tragic circumstances would be hugely shocking and very upsetting to anyone acquainted with them.
Thanks to being up very late last night with insomnia, I did quite a bit of reading about the Cinderella story. Variations have been around for centuries in many different cultures around the world (for example there are Far Eastern and Middle Eastern versions - including an Egyptian one where she marries the king of Egypt at the end).Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
Not all versions have happy endings: in some Cinderella meets a tragic fate. :( It's typical of EE that their version followed the latter course. :p
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Originally Posted by Dazzle
I couldn't believe he kept it for so long. All those bins out in the square. But responsible thing done, adding it to the capital's water system.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-contaminants
:moonie::moonie::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I have to say I really dont like new Michelle, terrible hair, terrible character and a terrible actress. :ninja:
But then IMO the only one that can act in that family is Stacy, shes got more chemistry with Max than with that vacant plot of a husband.
did abi see max take the coke out at dot's house
I feel neutral about her at the moment. I'm not against a recast and the actress is apparently good (though we've seen too little of her for me to form a judgement).Quote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
There's going to be a special episode on 12th January centred almost entirely around Sharon and Michelle when we'll apparently find out why the latter is back. I'm looking forward to the episode and hopefully I'll have a better sense of the new Michelle afterwards. I liked James Bye from the off and nowadays I accept him as Martin Fowler - but it took me a loooong time to do so.
Strange duff duff tonight.
I hope Roxy didn't have drugs in her system and that the investigation finds it was a tragic accident. I'd hate Roxy's legacy to be that she killed her sister. :(
I don't blame Mick for being furious at Lee (in fact I'm surprised he can be in the same room with him), but his continual snide comments along the lines of Lee not being man enough are adding to the problem. They need to have an in depth discussion about Lee's state of mind.
I like Stacey and new Martin as a couple, they work well together, Max and Stacey should be well done especially as Bradley is dead I think it would be so disrespectful of his memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
I like that Carol got a mention tonight, I was hoping she might come back for an some episodes
Mick is not handling the Lee situation very well and Whitney trying so hard to be the Carter matriarch is boring
Nothing else to add really, I would have liked to have seen Mick Sort Oz out, my only niggle is that the Lee who came into the show as a solider would have knocked seven shades of you know what out of OZ and then gone back for more. Lee was a fighting machine. Apart from that a good episode.
how can mick afford to pay elaine's medical fees and lee's debts and ollie's medical fees
It just goes to show how much Lee's mental health has deteriorated since leaving the army. Hopefully Mick will start questioning why this is after he's calmed down about the robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
i think stan's death and buster leaving has affected lee he was close to them i don't think getting with whitney helped him he wasn't ready to settle downQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle