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23-09-2015, 00:19
Dazzle

A much better episode on Tuesday. Marcus' second time questioning Max was brilliant and very moving. It was a much needed examination of Max's psyche and made me feel really sorry for him (I agree Dougie that Jake Wood was brilliant in those scenes). I'm glad Carol now thinks him innocent.

For the first time I believed in the supposedly intense attraction between Ronnie and Vincent. Also, I was relieved that Dot gave voice to our disbelief at Charlie upping and leaving her and Matthew without so much as a goodbye.

Well done to writer Richard Davidson who managed to make both storylines work for me after a very disappointing few episodes. :thumbsup:
23-09-2015, 11:50
parkerman

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Well done to writer Richard Davidson who managed to make both storylines work for me after a very disappointing few episodes. :thumbsup:

It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.
23-09-2015, 11:51
lizann

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Originally Posted by parkerman

It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.

yes i don't get lauren's change either
23-09-2015, 11:51
lizann

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Originally Posted by parkerman

It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.

yes i don't get lauren's change either
23-09-2015, 13:39
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by parkerman

It was certainly better, I'll give you that. But I'm still struggling with Lauren's complete change of attitude and the deafening silence coming from Liam.

I think we need to forget about Liam (and Cindy). They've obviously dropped off the face of the earth as far as the writers are concerned. The same goes for Peter: we've still had no explanation as to why he didn't return with Lauren.

As for her, I agree it makes no sense whatsoever and am hoping she'll change her mind (again). I suppose people's actions in real life often make little sense to others, which is especially noticeable to those of us who read the news.

What a pity that what I thought was a great storyline until very recently has been severely compromised by Lauren's lack of action. I'm just trying to go with the flow, not think too deeply about it and hope it'll all come out in the wash... :wall:
23-09-2015, 14:21
tammyy2j

Abi will and should be mad that Lauren knows for sure Max is innocent and didn't tell her

I am mad Lauren wont speak up :angry:

Liam should have rang Carol and told her once he and Cindy left
23-09-2015, 16:12
xx_Dan_xx

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23-09-2015, 16:28
tammyy2j

Has Stacey given up on Max, she did believe he was innocent
23-09-2015, 18:59
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Has Stacey given up on Max, she did believe he was innocent

She believed him but agreed to Martin's request to not get involved.
24-09-2015, 00:46
storyseeker1

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

She believed him but agreed to Martin's request to not get involved.

Apparently that's gonna change somewhat when Jane gives her testimony in court. Seems Stacey goes round Jane's to confront about it.
24-09-2015, 10:26
tammyy2j

I would have thought Lauren and Stacey would have talked since Lauren's return and to see little baby Louie
24-09-2015, 20:58
lizann

is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p

so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son
24-09-2015, 20:58
lizann

is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p

so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son
24-09-2015, 21:06
storyseeker1

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Originally Posted by lizann

is max not going think lesley beale giving him a false alibi of sex is a tad out of sorts :p

so did vincent kill charlie for ronnie, hoping he didn't that charlie just vanished to return later for his son

Well, if Max doesn't figure out something's up with Jane and the Beales by now, he never will.

It seems that Vincent has killed Charlie, but then again you never know with EE. Charlie might turn up a few months from now, locked in a cellar somewhere.
24-09-2015, 21:45
Rear window

So what will Roxy do?
24-09-2015, 23:58
tammyy2j

It was good that Charlie returned to Dot and Matthew if only for a short time as Vincent and Ronnie got rid, I hope Vincent hasn't killed him but looks like he did

Does Dot believe Max is guilty also as she hasn't been to see him or to his court trial

I enjoyed Robbie and his son being back
25-09-2015, 00:41
Dazzle

I was really hoping Jane wouldn't say she was sleeping with Max at the time of Lucy's murder. While I could be persuaded she had her reasons for keeping quiet about it all this time, I don't believe for an instant Max wouldn't have used his get out of jail free card. How will that be explained? Max would not allow himself to be jailed and go through a murder trial just to save Masood's feelings...

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

It was good that Charlie returned to Dot and Matthew if only for a short time as Vincent and Ronnie got rid, I hope Vincent hasn't killed him but looks like he did

I was also glad to see Charlie back because I thought what I'd presumed was his exit was highly out of character. I don't think Vincent's killed him though. Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

I enjoyed Robbie and his son being back

Me too. I was very pleasantly surprised that Dean Gaffney's acting is better than I remembered it. Maybe he should return permanently because Sonia will soon be the only Jackson left on the square. I'd prefer Robbie to that banshee Bianca any day.
25-09-2015, 02:47
storyseeker1

Well, I called it. I had a feeling Jane would say she was sleeping with Max at the time, as that was the only excuse I could come up with that would actually sound feasible. Doesn't look like it's going to stand, though. From what the spoilers are making out, it sounds like Max still gets thrown in the slammer.
25-09-2015, 03:37
maidmarian

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

I was really hoping Jane wouldn't say she was sleeping with Max at the time of Lucy's murder. While I could be persuaded she had her reasons for keeping quiet about it all this time, I don't believe for an instant Max wouldn't have used his get out of jail free card. How will that be explained? Max would not allow himself to be jailed and go through a murder trial just to save Masood's feelings..

**.reply point 1
Well Whats.on TV has an exclamation mark after
the GUILTY heading on next weeks version.!!!
I have read recently that things that affect
juries verdicts are pleading not guilty when
you.are guilty and there is overwhelming
evidence against you ( not here) and provision
of fabricated alibis( well -it is Jane)**

I was also glad to see Charlie back because I thought what I'd presumed was his exit was highly out of character. I don't think Vincent's killed him though. Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.

**hope so too!**

Me too. I was very pleasantly surprised that Dean Gaffney's acting is better than I remembered it. Maybe he should return permanently because Sonia will soon be the only Jackson left on the square. I'd prefer Robbie to that banshee Bianca any day.

**reply point 3**
agreed re Dean.Gaffney - even more so about
Bianca- my ears hurt at the thought!!
25-09-2015, 03:37
maidmarian

dupl
25-09-2015, 03:50
maidmarian

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

Well, I called it. I had a feeling Jane would say she was sleeping with Max at the time, as that was the only excuse I could come up with that would actually sound feasible. Doesn't look like it's going to stand, though. From what the spoilers are making out, it sounds like Max still gets thrown in the slammer.

I could remember reading this prediction
about Jane - early on- but couldnt find it again!
Did u post it on here please?

I dont think.having Jane on his side - will
help.Max much!!
25-09-2015, 03:50
maidmarian

dupl
25-09-2015, 11:13
lizann

would marcus have max pre warned about jane's alibi lie
25-09-2015, 12:33
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by lizann

would marcus have max pre warned about jane's alibi lie

I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.

However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.
25-09-2015, 18:01
storyseeker1

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

I could remember reading this prediction
about Jane - early on- but couldnt find it again!
Did u post it on here please?

I dont think.having Jane on his side - will
help.Max much!!

I can't remember which discussion either.
25-09-2015, 22:30
lizann

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.

However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.

i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know

did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie

dean is going punish roxy for Charlie

is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
25-09-2015, 22:30
lizann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazzle

I don't know. He probably should have, but he knows very well Jane's lying so he might have thought better of giving Max the opportunity of denying permission to call her to the stand.

However, it's not exactly going to make a good impression if the jury notices Max looking astonished at hearing Jane's alibi.

i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know

did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie

dean is going punish roxy for Charlie

is phil getting max off or charged with jury man
25-09-2015, 23:04
xx_Dan_xx

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizann

i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know

did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie

dean is going punish roxy for Charlie

is phil getting max off or charged with jury man

Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.

Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?
25-09-2015, 23:04
xx_Dan_xx

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25-09-2015, 23:55
maidmarian

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.

Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?

The hope is for an unanimous verdict.
If not possible then judge can accept a
majority verdict where at least 10 are agreed.

If not there is no verdict -the foreman
could nobble a couple of jurors - making only
9 agreed.
He couldnt overrule as all jurors go back into
court - whilst out they can send questions to
judge.
If less than 10 agree and that doesnt change
- there is no verdict and another trial would be
needed.

Above is for England & Wales.Other countries vary!
theres quite a bit more procedure than Ive given!
25-09-2015, 23:55
maidmarian

Quote:

Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

Get Max off considering he's made a deal with Jane.

Although I am not sure how, isn't it suppose to be a unanimous or majority that's the verdict? If the rest of the jury think he is guilty, can the foreman overrule without investigation?

The hope is for an unanimous verdict.
If not possible then judge can accept a
majority verdict where at least 10 are agreed.

If not there is no verdict -the foreman
could nobble a couple of jurors - making only
9 agreed.
He couldnt overrule as all jurors go back into
court - whilst out they can send questions to
judge.
If less than 10 agree and that doesnt change
- there is no verdict and another trial would be
needed.

Above is for England & Wales.Other countries vary!
theres quite a bit more procedure than Ive given!
26-09-2015, 00:52
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by lizann

i couldn't tell from his expression but did max know

I thought he looked surprised in Thursday's episode when Jane first mentioned the affair. She's behaving very strangely and was totally unconvincing under cross-examination.

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Originally Posted by lizann

did sami's mother stay in africa to let him live in uk with Robbie

Sami's staying with Robbie until his mum finishes college.

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Originally Posted by lizann

dean is going punish roxy for Charlie

I feel sorry for Roxy obviously, but I like that they're writing Dean as more obviously a nasty piece of work now and not a poor confused young man who accidentally raped Linda. :wall:

I wonder how dark his and Roxy's relationship will get, and what Ronnie will do about it?

I'm certain Ronnie and Vincent haven't killed Charlie. There's been absolutely no evidence of it onscreen which usually means it didn't happen. I think Ronnie asked Vincent to scare Charlie off, although he could have gone further of course.

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Originally Posted by lizann

is phil getting max off or charged with jury man

I thought the jury foreman would come into play because I recognised him as an actor rather than an extra. I suppose Phil will pay him off or threaten him (and possibly other jury members too).

Maybe it'll be inspired by the excellent film "12 Angry Men" starring Henry Fonda, where one jury member totally changes the mind of the other eleven in a masterclass of persuasion.
26-09-2015, 05:13
storyseeker1

Well, it looks like EE is finally starting to show Dean as more villain than tortured soul. The scene where he seemed to accidentally burn Roxy reminded me of a similar scene that EE used years ago with Ben and...Sheila, was it? I vaguely recall that when she first started bullying Ben, she took a teaspoon right out of a hot cup and slightly burned him with it, claiming it to be a joke/accident. (Ever get the feeling that EE is running out of original ideas?)

Dean's certainly taking his chances, by threatening Roxy "Mitchell". After all, look what happened to Sheila, and that guy who Ronnie killed. You'd think Dean would have more sense than to go after a Mitchell? Then again, maybe he is just plain insane after all.

Still no clear answer over what's happened to Charlie. It's starting to look more like he's really down for the count.

Seems like Mas is starting to figure Jane out, too. At the rate he was going, it looks like he might be the next person to find out the truth. (Pretty soon the whole square will know)
26-09-2015, 08:54
parkerman

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

The scene where he seemed to accidentally burn Roxy reminded me of a similar scene that EE used years ago with Ben and...Sheila, was it?

Stella
26-09-2015, 12:49
lizann

could dean have got rid of charlie
26-09-2015, 13:16
storyseeker1

I seriously doubt it, since he wasn't there when Ronnie and Vincent met Charlie just before he disappeared, and Vincent told Ronnie "It's been sorted".
26-09-2015, 17:17
lizann

charlie wallet thrown in bin near massod stall where roxy works very convenient like someone wanted roxy to find it
26-09-2015, 17:22
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by lizann

charlie wallet thrown in bin near massod stall where roxy works very convenient like someone wanted roxy to find it

It was a stupid way to get rid of evidence which is one of the reasons I'm sure Charlie's not dead. I think there were better places to put the wallet other than a bin if the intention was for Roxy to find it.
27-09-2015, 22:47
tammyy2j

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

It was a stupid way to get rid of evidence which is one of the reasons I'm sure Charlie's not dead. I think there were better places to put the wallet other than a bin if the intention was for Roxy to find it.

Could Charlie perhaps have faked his own disappearance, he let Roxy see he was back as he went out with Matthew to be seen and his wallet found near where Roxy works, breaking the bond between Roxy and Ronnie is the ultimate way to punish Ronnie, Roxy does think Ronnie is responsible for Charlie's disappearance
28-09-2015, 14:04
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Could Charlie perhaps have faked his own disappearance, he let Roxy see he was back as he went out with Matthew to be seen and his wallet found near where Roxy works, breaking the bound between Roxy and Ronnie is the ultimate way to punish Ronnie, Roxy does think Ronnie is responsible for Charlie's disappearance

I like the idea of Charlie having faked his death.

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