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    The Friday night September 25th Emmerdale episodes didn't show any more factual details than what the spoilers said would happen but they did show the facial expressions and body language of the actors, most/all of whom were aware of the overall storyline it seems, as suggested by the earlier Danny Miller (Aaron) interview with Good Morning Britain at 07:50.

    What are really missing for TV viewers right now are details of how Aaron obtains a gun to dispose of by Wednesday September 30th and whether any details are available about the fate of missing Chrissie's bracelet.

    Here is a list of who is mainly involved in this storyline and why they are suspects right now for Robert being shot.

    Lachlan:
    Has motive for killing Robert, believing Robert killed Katie, and knows that he, Lawrence and Chrissie want Robert out of their lives.
    Already made a recce/partial attempt to shoot Robert in the village previously. Also known to have practised posing with the gun at Home Farm. Visited Belle and Kirin during the afternoon, his rucksack made a heavy thud as he put it on the table there. Seen walking from the village after the shooting, took object from left trouser pocket and threw it quickly into the meadow before Lawrence's car pulls up. Was shifty and reluctant to be at the hospital with police there. Also looked guilty at Home Farm later when Lawrence says he found the safe open and the gun missing.
    Problems = how could he get a gun? (Home Farm safe left open by Chrissie/Robert? Knew combination anyway?) What item did he throw into the meadow after the shooting (the gun? the bracelet? If it was the gun, had he used it?) Would he strangely just steal Chrissie's bracelet (presumably valuable) from the safe for Belle and how would he get away with giving Belle this? Is Lachlan another teen gone beyond troubled?
    Appeared first in Emmerdale on 10th November 2014, so due for contract expiry and an 'easy pick' for an Emmerdale character due to leave the show.

    Ross:
    Has no obvious motive for killing Robert, other than for money as a possible hired gunman.
    Was walking with Moses in buggy during afternoon. Left Moses with Belle and Kirin, later whereabouts unknown. Was going to meet Pete at Barton's Farm during evening for some sort of 'show-down' (killing Pete by shooting him?) but didn't show. After Robert's shooting happened, Ross showed up dressed in all-black at Debbie's house emotional and saying "something come up" and that he was leaving the village, maybe for good but he would send money back for Moses.
    Problems = No alibi at time of shooting. Whereabouts unknown before shooting. He knew his gun had been placed in the Home Farm safe though by overhearing this at the pub. Did he maybe show up at Home Farm during the afternoon/evening to ask Lawrence for it and Lawrence agreed to give him it if he shot Robert for money/Chrissie's bracelet as reward? He did get Robert to open the safe for him in Nov 2014 during the raid, so he might have known the combination from that time if it hadn't been changed afterwards. Maybe Chrissie gave Ross the gun and money during the afternoon for him to shoot Robert later? Maybe Cain asked Ross to shoot Robert? Maybe Ross isn't the shooter but realises that Robert might have been shot with his ex-gun by someone else and decides to run away from Emmerdale in case he is linked to Robert's shooting?

    Andy:
    Has motive for killing Robert, knowing Robert killed Katie by pushing her at Wylie's Farm.
    Drove off angry out of village in Land Rover during afternoon and not seen since. Phoned Diane immediately before shooting saying he was sorry and wouldn't say where he was (Nearby? Cemetary? Church? Quarry?).
    Problems = No apparent alibi. How could he get a gun? (Given to him by Lawrence or Chrissie? Break-in at Home Farm? Own gun?) Was maybe unlikely to be able to talk on mobile phone if hiding in the bushes behind the pub waiting for Robert, so maybe not around the scene of the shooting?
    Been in Emmerdale for about 19 years. Has recently hinted about doing something else one day during actor interview. If Andy shot Robert and Robert knows it's him, then Andy is not likely to go to the police about Katie being pushed by Robert at Wylie's Farm.

    Aaron:
    Has motive for killing Robert as accessory to Katie's death, relationship problems, emotional hurt from previous argument previous day.
    Showed up first on the shooting scene, about 20 seconds after the shot happened. Seemed surprised/worried Chas was there. Shifty throughout post-shooting scene (may have been worried a random shooter was still around Emmerdale or that Chas would be 1st suspect for a murder enquiry though.) Didn't go to hospital to check on Robert's state. Later was anxious to keep police from questioning Chas that night. Known to be "guilty" and to have a gun to dispose of by Wed Sept 30th.
    Problems = No apparent alibi at time of shooting. Left Chas in pub saying he was going to "find him" (Andy? Robert?) How could he get a gun? (From Lawrence or Chrissie? Break-in at Home Farm? Own gun (from woodland lodge?). Where did the gun he wanted to dispose of on Wed Sept 30th come from (found in bushes by Aaron later after being dropped/thrown there by shooter?)? Did Aaron disturb the shooter and find the gun before running out to Chas? Is Aaron "guilty" just because he misses Robert and wanted him dead, or is he guilty becuse he is disposing of evidence on the gun (fingerprints/DNA)? Did Robert and Aaron arrange the shooting by Aaron so as to make Andy an attempted murder suspect and the shooting went too far and serious? Do Aaron's feelings change for Robert after a week or more without him being around? Would Aaron shoot at Robert with Chas so close to Robert? (Chas had turned away and began moving away from Robert when the shot happened.) Plus, Aaron wouldn't place his mother as murder suspect in a gun shooting scene, would he?

    Lawrence:
    Has motive for killing Robert due to many personal and business issues.
    Was with Robert at his lodgings immediately before the shooting (wedding photo of Chrissie and Robert intact on sideboard) and told by Robert about him being set up with Connor and how Robert will cause further problems to get the business and money from Lawrence. Left alone in Robert's room when Robert leaves. (Wedding photo later found smashed by Vic/Diane before Andy phones before shooting. So photo smashed by Lawrence or Andy?) Next seen near the scene after the shooting when he tried to phone Chrissie but had to leave a voice message. Picks up Lachlan walking home in lane, then goes with him to the hospital where he tells the police that missing son-in-law Andy has anger issues. Seen later at Home Farm near open safe but gun missing.
    Problems = No alibi at time of shooting (inside pub bar/Robert's room?). Deliberately seems to set up Andy (smashed wedding photo, police given info at hospital).

    Cain:
    Has motive for killing Robert due to being asked to do this earlier by Chas and possibility of Aaron being an accessory to Katie's death.
    Whereabouts during evening not known, but was not at Barton's Farm when Moira and Pete showed there expecting to find Ross waiting.
    Problems = No alibi. How could he get a gun? (From Lawrence or Chrissie? Break-in at Home Farm? Own gun?).

    Chrissie:
    Has motive for killing Robert for lying/cheating on her and family, also Katie's death and other nasty Robert stuff.
    Had gun out of safe during afternoon when Chas was there. Later seen closing safe with her handbag next to it, then goes out telling Lachlan that she won't feel bad about things again by tomorrow morning. Didn't answer phone when called by Lawrence after the shooting so he left voice message. Showed up later at hospital.
    Problems = Rakesh doesn't later suggest she was with him at the time of the shooting. Claims to have alibi during evening with Eric on Wed Sept 28th, he denies this later to police, but Eric's denial seems to be out of spite over Chrissie's part starting the scrapyard fire which caused the helicopter to crash into the village hall and for damage to the mirror maze to kill Val. Did Chrissie give Ross the gun and money during the afternoon to shoot Robert later that evening, then was with Eric when the shooting happened?

    Unknown assassin:
    Connor's revenge on Robert using him to set-up Lawrence?

    Chas:
    Has motive to protect Aaron from being accomplice to Katie's death and to keep Aaron away from Robert in general.
    Had previously threatened Robert that day more than once. Seems to have set-up the meeting herself between her and Robert (he received a text from someone in his room when Lawrence was there). Was apparently alone with Robert when he was shot, but was it her armed accomplice in the bushes waiting for Robert to come out to meet Chas? (Also, but unlikely, did Chas shoot Robert herself, then throw the gun into the bushes? Some while back, Robert previously set-up a hitman to shoot Chas but it didn't happen.
    Problems = How did her accomplice/she get a gun (Chas took it from Home Farm when Chrissie wasn't looking?). No obvious gun on Chas when Robert was shot (gun thrown into bushes?).

    Robert:
    Motive to set-up own shooting so as to incriminate Andy or Lawrence.
    Runs off during afternoon, apparently to look for Andy at the quarry, but did he go to Home Farm instead? During evening, came home and told someone (Vic? Diane?) on mobile phone that there was "no sign" of Andy. Also received text during evening whilst in his lodgings with Lawrence, then left saying he had to go to a meeting. Met Chas (at the back of the pub?), but was this by chance or did she set him up to meet her there? Was shot during very revealing conversation with Chas. Turned to right 5 times (towards hidden shooter) during conversation, finally turning right at the end of the conversation but looking down then. (Had Robert seen the shooter? Seemed not bothered. Did he recognise the shooter?)
    Problems = Could have got gun from Home Farm safe earlier to give to accomplice to use later. Maybe the supposed set-up hit went wrong and too far and nearly killed him. Did Robert give the gun from the Home Farm safe to Aaron as some sort of twisted Robert plot to set up Andy/Lawrence/Chrissie somehow for attempted murder but maybe things went too far and Robert was almost killed off by his accomplice? Whatever happens, this Robert near-death storyline seems likely to restart the Robron affair, I reckon.

    Paddy:
    Has motive for killing Robert for being threatened (also Leo) by him, also protective attitude towards Aaron and Chas.
    Was at singles bar (in Hotten/Robblesfield?) with Marlon, but left at the same time as Tess. Seen 2 minutes walk from home in Emmerdale village as Marlon stopped by in a taxi and police car drove past towards Emmerdale. Said he'd had to walk from town as had no money for taxi. Had missing eye glasses. Refused lift by Marlon.
    Problems = Suspected romp with Tess somewhere? Refused lift with Marlon so as to keep Marlon from telling Rhona about the evening out and Tess?

    Ashley:
    No obvious motive for wanting Robert dead.
    Arrived in village off bus during afternoon as Andy drove off angry in Land Rover. Received phone call just after from someone (Laurel? Harriet?). Re-appeared in cafe after shooting wearing fancy dress shirt/trousers as US cop.
    Problems = No alibi. Possible seizure at home? Or was counselling Andy somewhere (churchyard/church?)? Or seeing Laurel?
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    1) So who killed Robert?

    Maybe we are all looking in the wrong direction in trying to solve who shot Robert? The storywriters have clearly set every viewer up to be bamboozled by who was the shooter that killed Robert. Maybe we will never solve the crime by thinking in this way? Maybe we all really need to think "outside of the box"?

    The way we found out that Ross wasn't dead after Pete left him in the woods was by finding out/knowing that Mike Parr was still filming at the Emmerdale studios in Leeds after Ross was supposed to be left for dead in the woods by Pete!

    Maybe we should be thinking about how to solve who shot Robert in the same way = who isn't filming right now on the Emmerdale set and whose contract is due to expire?

    We know from the This Morning show on Friday September 25th that the following actors got interviewed: Aaron/Robert/Chas/Andy/Paddy.

    Lachlan didn't get interviewed. neither did Chrissie or Debbie. Are ITV protecting/gagging these characters from TV airtime?

    Then, of course, we know from much previous painful experience that Emmerdale PC Plod soap police always get it wrong and are shown up as complete idiots after a while, so maybe we can all assume that when Chrissie, Andy and Lawrence get arrested that it isn't them!

    Maybe Andy just goes away to cool off for afternoon/evening when Robert gets shot? (How could Andy phone Diane and Vic at the pub if he's hiding in a bush at the back of the pub?)

    Would Aaron really fire a powerful gun at Robert when his mother was so close in the scene? Even if she wasn't shot, she would be there looking like a murder suspect.

    So that leaves angry young guy and mother-loving Lachlan (aka another Norman Bates?) as the #1 fall guy from too much Call-of-Duty-style hitman role and gun practise?

    Lachlan:
    Has motive for killing Robert, believing Robert killed Katie, and knows that he, Lawrence and Chrissie want Robert out of their lives.
    Already made a recce/partial attempt to shoot Robert in the village previously. Also known to have practised posing with the gun at Home Farm. Visited Belle and Kirin during the afternoon, his rucksack made a heavy thud as he put it on the table there. Seen walking from the village after the shooting, took object from left trouser pocket and threw it quickly into the meadow before Lawrence's car pulls up. Was shifty and reluctant to be at the hospital with police there. Also looked guilty at Home Farm later when Lawrence says he found the safe open and the gun missing.
    Problems = how could he get a gun? (Home Farm safe left open by Chrissie/Robert? Knew combination anyway?) What item did he throw into the meadow after the shooting (the gun? the bracelet? If it was the gun, had he used it?) Would he strangely just steal Chrissie's bracelet (presumably valuable) from the safe for Belle and how would he get away with giving Belle this? Is Lachlan another teen gone beyond troubled?

    Lachlan appeared on TV first in Emmerdale on 10th November 2014, so is due for contract expiry and would be an 'easy pick' for an Emmerdale character due to leave the show around right now.

    Maybe Lachlan knew the Home Farm safe code (his mother is a wine-lover and maybe really careless at times, accidentally showing him the code at any time previously, even not securing the safe at times?). He wanted Belle to have Chrissie's expensive bracelet but Kirin was there and he didn't have any chance of giving her this. Maybe this is what he threw into the meadow after Robert got shot, or maybe it really was the gun he threw away there? Maybe he shot Robert, panicked, dropped the gun in the bushes and sneaked away while distractions were going on. Aaron later found the gun around the rear of the pub, thought Chas had shot Robert and thrown the gun into the bush. Aaron tried to dispose of the gun via the scrapyard waste (destined for a metal crusher?). 'Guilty' Aaron really wanted Robert dead at the time of the shooting, but after a week or so, he may regret this and his hate switches to love? Who knows what happens next but spoiler interviews suggest Robert and Aaron are involved with other again after this.

    2) The Reveal

    Andy and Chrissie get arrested on Tue/Wed 29-30 September. Lawrence "confesses" on Thu 1 October. A number of villagers know about the gun, including Rakesh, Ross, Chas, Chrissie, Lawrence, Lachlan, Aaron. Some of these even know that Lachlan was the one to find it and carry it around Emmerdale. If there are any police charges for Chrissie or Lawrence, will Rakesh be able to be a credible lawyer for defending either Chrissie or Lawrence whilst Rakesh and other villagers know that Lachlan could be the one to have used the gun to shoot Robert with?

    Maybe the reveal will just let the viewers know who did shoot Robert but no-one in Emmerdale ever pays back as they keep it "in the family"?

    During the conversation with Chas at the back of the pub, Robert looks to the right 5 times, and even turns towards the right just before Chas seems to walk away. Every time he looked to the right, he didn't seem at all concerned. Maybe he could see someone in the bushes and could even see who it was. If so, then for him to remain so calm, he must have known who it was and it was someone he would usually trust. Who would that be? Lachlan?

    The reveal is meant to be the first-time ever method for a soap.

    I was thinking of a sort-of series of scenes shown one after the other, with each scene showing the activities experienced by a different group of people. There was a 4-part series on ITV shown during 2012 about the sinking of the Titanic. Each part showed the lives and ends of a group of people as they experienced the sinking of the ship. For Emmerdale, maybe there could be something like one scene from people in the pub, one scene from people in the cafe, one scene from Chas, one scene from Aaron, one scene from Andy, one scene from Ross, a final one from Robert.

    I think EastEnders might have done something like this in the Lucy storyline (I'm not knowledgeable on this though as I'm not an EastEnders viewer, so maybe this scene-series idea has been done before on a soap and the Emmerdale reveal is something else?).

    Whatever the reveal is, it may come sooner than we think. Danny Miller suggested a short timescale. So 2-3 weeks?

    Aaron tries to dispose of the gun on Wednesday Sept 30th. Hopefully, the storywriters will let us see where he gets this from on or before Wednesday. If he just finds it in the bushes at the back of the pub then we won't maybe learn anything about who the shooter was. The interesting find will be just what was the item that Lachlan threw into the field?. Was it the gun, the bracelet or something else?
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    Ok a tad unrelated, but I really like the fine light blue woollen jumper Chrissie was wearing in tonight's episode lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debzyg View Post
    Ok a tad unrelated, but I really like the fine light blue woollen jumper Chrissie was wearing in tonight's episode lol
    Oh I notice things like that too.

    Aaron had a nice army green sweatshirt on up to end of Wednesday last week. He ought to wear green more often, it's a great colour for him. On Thursday, he'd changed into a grey T-shirt and was wearing this with a black jacket on Friday night when Robert got shot. Grey isn't really his colour though, too light for his hair, I reckon. Ross, of course, looked good in his hitman black clothing with matching hair on Friday night, Andy was in black too and Lachlan had a purple jacket with black arms, dark trousers and purple beanie hat. Of these, Aaron was the worst-dressed for hiding in the bushes but then he is a scruffy scrapyard lad and maybe a bit challenged when it comes to the well-dressed hitman look. But which of these four would be most likely to hide in bushes anyway? Anyone who goes around wearing a purple hat and trying to carry off the latest paratrooper fashion is going to be at least a bit suspect for doing something like this? lol
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    I suppose Rakesh is another suspect now we know something is going on/due between him and Chrissie.

    Rakesh:
    Could have motive for wanting Robert dead so no evidence from him against Chrissie in her forthcoming car fire trial? Could want relationship with Chrissie or already have one in secret with her and want to get into the White family and business?
    Rakesh was looking at Chrissie at Home Farm when she opened the safe to put the gun inside on Wednesday September 23rd, so maybe he knew the combination from then? Maybe took the gun on Friday or Chrissie gave him the gun on Friday afternoon when she "went for a walk" around the village (she told Chas about the Friday walk in the Monday 28th episode but obviously Chrissie did other things too and will claim she was with Eric during the time of the shooting).
    Problems = Wasn't seen at the scene after the shooting. Any alibi? With Priya at time of shooting? Robert already out of Chrissie's life so legal case only possible motive for now?

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    Chrissie admitted to Chas on Monday, September 28th, that she "went for a walk" around the village on Friday, September 25th.

    Did Chrissie do a "recce" around the village to decide where would be best to shoot Robert from at night-time near the pub where he is staying right now? Is the footprint that the police find afterwards and near the scene of Robert's shooting that from Chrissie's shoes?

    The gun that Ross got bothers me too. Is it used and has it got any history? Maybe if the bullet lodged in Robert's body and can be given to police then forensics will link the grooves on the bullet to an earlier more serious crime (e.g. an unreported crime on a big profile target such as David Cameron?). Now that would be a really BIG BANG storyline for Kate Oates to go out on! Haha!

    Come on, Kate Oates, I think we're ALL expecting REALLY BIG things from you for your "leaving do" on Emmerdale by January 2016, when you're due to leave us and to join the dark (Manchester) side!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telly Watcher View Post
    Chrissie admitted to Chas on Monday, September 28th, that she "went for a walk" around the village on Friday, September 25th.

    Did Chrissie do a "recce" around the village to decide where would be best to shoot Robert from at night-time near the pub where he is staying right now? Is the footprint that the police find afterwards and near the scene of Robert's shooting that from Chrissie's shoes?

    The gun that Ross got bothers me too. Is it used and has it got any history? Maybe if the bullet lodged in Robert's body and can be given to police then forensics will link the grooves on the bullet to an earlier more serious crime (e.g. an unreported crime on a big profile target such as David Cameron?). Now that would be a really BIG BANG storyline for Kate Oates to go out on! Haha!

    Come on, Kate Oates, I think we're ALL expecting REALLY BIG things from you for your "leaving do" on Emmerdale by January 2016, when you're due to leave us and to join the dark (Manchester) side!
    She is not leaving Emmerdale until April next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telly Watcher View Post
    Chrissie admitted to Chas on Monday, September 28th, that she "went for a walk" around the village on Friday, September 25th.

    Did Chrissie do a "recce" around the village to decide where would be best to shoot Robert from at night-time near the pub where he is staying right now? Is the footprint that the police find afterwards and near the scene of Robert's shooting that from Chrissie's shoes?

    The gun that Ross got bothers me too. Is it used and has it got any history? Maybe if the bullet lodged in Robert's body and can be given to police then forensics will link the grooves on the bullet to an earlier more serious crime (e.g. an unreported crime on a big profile target such as David Cameron?). Now that would be a really BIG BANG storyline for Kate Oates to go out on! Haha!

    Come on, Kate Oates, I think we're ALL expecting REALLY BIG things from you for your "leaving do" on Emmerdale by January 2016, when you're due to leave us and to join the dark (Manchester) side!
    She is not leaving Emmerdale until April next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perdita View Post
    She is not leaving Emmerdale until April next year
    Hi, do you have a source reference for when Kate Oates is leaving Emmerdale? Kate Oates started in Emmerdale in January 2013.

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    Ian MacLeod will become the new Emmerdale producer, with the appointment set to take effect at the end of the year, with Oates moving over to Weatherfield at the start of 2016.
    "

    Source:
    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...treet-producer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telly Watcher View Post
    Hi, do you have a source reference for when Kate Oates is leaving Emmerdale? Kate Oates started in Emmerdale in January 2013.

    \"
    Ian MacLeod will become the new Emmerdale producer, with the appointment set to take effect at the end of the year, with Oates moving over to Weatherfield at the start of 2016.
    \"

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    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...treet-producer
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